All FE Pegasus Knights Tier List! - Office Hours

[@AquaRainfell]

Path of Radiance Tanith deserves her own tier called "Holy Guard". You could roll all blank levelups, or not get any levelups on Tanith, and she'd still be useful because of the Reinforce ability.

[@judethomas6400]

I think Reina's definitely underrated here. She's pretty decent in BR with her fantastic bases and ninja access, but she's legit absurd in Rev since she joins so early and her combat is more notable. Revelation Reina is basically just Camilla 2.

[@mysmallnoman]

Eh Camilla is way bulkier but yeah you're not wrong

[@roboscout64]

Subaki's stats absolutely matter in rev. Remember that Rev is the route that creates difficulty by creating very jacked enemy stats. Subaki's mediocre-bad stats all around are genuinely miserable to try to kill the roided rev enemies with. His biggest contributions in rev are being a flier on fuga's wild ride, and getting married ASAP so Caeldori can replace him. Yeah he can get by in birthright, but he's just sad in rev and gets dropped the second you get any other flier.

[@jierdareisa4313]

Wait, when does MythrilZenith talk about Subaki? I think he was skipped due to Tate being shuffled around

[@hanzou1238]

My one disagreement is that FE3 book 2 Palla should be at the top of that tier. She is easily the best unit in that game. If you took her at base and put her in chapter 15 she is only 2 strength off from one rounding Paladins on that map. She will be your best unit the moment you get her and that will never change.

[@mysmallnoman]

She's the best unit in every game she's in except FE1/FE3 B1/SD

[@jierdareisa4313]

9:16 of note: promoting Chloé to Sword Griffin grants her access to the Levin Sword. As she should double most enemies with it and the Levin Sword is *really* good, she actually becomes one of the player's best magic units!

[@gabrielsobral6682]

Giving her a Spirit Dust or two and she can really snowball as a mixed attacker with nice bulk for a Pegasus (Or you can just bonded shield spam if you wanna turn your brain off)

[@MrongandNote]

I am a lil sad Subaki didn’t make it 😢 I used him every time I could. He is a high defense flyer and he does pretty well reclassed in Rev as a Grand Master for utility. Amazing in birthright bc of his join time and his high bulk, high speed, and high hit. While his combat can be middling, he can easily survive multiple rounds of combat and get to any location on the map safely (just watch out for archers they still hurt, but aren’t one-shots).

[@hansgretl1787]

This isn't the first tier list where I have seen this much of a distance between Clair and Palla/Catria. I think that gap isn't THAT big. For one, Clair has better availability. She joins in the middle of the first of her route's three Acts, as opposed to Palla and Catria who join at the beginning of their route's second Act. Their bases are better though. I haven't crunched the numbers on this, but from my experience, Clair is actually very reliable at doubling enemy cavaliers with the Ridersbane when other lance units aren't. Either way, having another unit that can trade the Ridersbane on Player Phase never hurts, especially with a unit this mobile. I think people often undersetimate the amount of terrain in Alm's route. There is terrain for Clair to fly over on almost every map. Clair requires a training arc, which holds her back, but I'd argue that SoV is one of the better games to have this issue in, especially for a unit that joins this early. You can always deploy everyone, so there is no opportunity cost to bringing her and letting her pick of an enemy here or there, and every unit gets Bonus Exp at the end of every map for just having been deployed. Catching her up is somewhat annoying, but not a deal breaker. When trained, she is relatively good. Sounds like more than just filler. I would probably put her in Passable Combat.

[@dragonarrow5525]

I think a big thing you're missing is what they do once they get trained. Trained Palla and Catria are indispensable members of the army who can fly over deserts and swamps and have some of the best combat because they deal effective damage against monsters. Clair on the other hand is hardly different from a trained Clive or Mathilda. You rarely fight monsters or have terrain to fly over in Alm's route and you pretty much never have both at once.

[@hansgretl1787]

@@dragonarrow5525 Oh, I am well aware. That's why I am not arguing that Clair is better at all. Even then, Palla and Catria aren't exactly "carries" either. They are debatably the best Celica route units, but even then they can't actually fly ahead and solo the maps. You almost certainly are going to have to wait for your other units to make it across the swamp/desert.

[@hansgretl1787]

@@dragonarrow5525 And yes, I see Clair as a slightly worse Clive or Mathilda, but that is still decent I'd say.

[@VeXJL]

Birthright Subaki is a bit of an oddball, but I like him because he combines flight with Perfectionist and Darting Blow which makes his earlygame combat actually pretty good relative to some other units. Getting in good contributions during earlygame is ideal for a Sky Knight like Subaki, since starting at around Chapter 14 the game gets increasingly enemy phase heavy, which hurts Sky Knight combat as a whole. Just for Subaki's availability alone, I'd rank him above the likes of Caeldori and Shigure who have to be relegated to filler combat at the time they join. Passable combat is a good tier for Subaki to be in cuz that describes him to a tee, but I also firmly believe that the other fliers should also be dropped down to that tier as well. There's a lot more to say on the differences between BR and Rev that gets glossed over in this video, but to be brief, my two cents here is that Rev Subaki is way more Utility whereas Rev Reina could be Worthy Investment or even Carry in Training this time around. Definitely feels like they should be ranked separately based on route but oh well.

[@Prof3ssorWalnut]

The FE-tier list maker only has seperate sprites for Book1 FE3 if their sprite is different the pegasus sisters in FE3 have the same sprite in Book 1.

[@mysmallnoman]

Some weird choices here : 1) Vanessa being able to snowball alongside units like catria and palla despite her strength growth and base being low and facing axe users enemies, heck you even criticized fiora for having 35% str growth, which is same as Vanessa 2) hinoka not being in " carry in " despite having fantastic bases/growths in both routes, as well as a good lance rank 3) how's Reina in " passable combat " when her bases and her str/spd growths are great 4) why's farina in " worthy investment " and RD!Tanith and Sigurn in " filler " despite them having great bases ( especially transfers Tanith ), can insta promote for even more stats and benefit greatly from forged javalins

[@GaIeforce]

If I had to guess why Vanessa is in the carry tier, and not the tier Fiora is in, it's probably because the enemy quality in Sacred Stones is quite honestly pathetic. It's easy to snowball that game, even with a unit with 35% str growth. It honestly says a lot more about their respective games than it says for either Vanessa or Fiora. That said, HHM Blazing Blade's enemy quality isn't great either, but it's leagues ahead of EphHM Sacred Stones.

[@mysmallnoman]

@@GaIeforce that doesn't change anything, a weak unit is weak even if enemies are weak too, and for Vanessa her str sucks and she faces axe users a lot in the early game Also " leagues better than FE8HM " is outright incorrect lol, both games have equally terrible enemies quality, especially FE7 with very slow enemies who are also slowed down by their weapons, look up the enemies stats for both games

[@jierdareisa4313]

I love ALL MythrilZenith videos!!!! ❤

[@GreyBokoblin3]

If 3Houses was in the style of a non-reclass fe game, and Ingrid was always Pegasus Knight, where would you put her on the tier list?

[@MythrilZenith]

@@GreyBokoblin3 I'm not super deep in the 3H meta, and hard setting classes would shake everything up, but I would probably do the boring thing and put her in Worthy Investment. I don't think she is good enough with her base kit to be a Carry in Training, but she definitely has more potential than those in Passable Combat, and 3H doesn't really have a lot of use for flying utility in most of its maps.

[@GreyBokoblin3]

@@MythrilZenith ironically enough, I would probably put her lower, but that might be just because on my 1st 3h playthough, Ingrid got horribly strength screwed.

[@MythrilZenith]

@@GreyBokoblin3 she does have that tendency towards str screw if you go straight through pegasus knight. Her personal Growths are pretty low in Str and pegasus gives her nothing.

[@platonismisoop2152]

​@GreyBokoblin3 Ingrid's str growths aren't great but you can generally patch it up by just throwing an axe on her and making her a fighter>brigand>wyvern, which imo puts her in the upper half of the blue lions in regards to her strength as a unit (at the very least above Ashe, Mercedes and Annette, Dedue too but mostly because Dedue gets screwed over by missing a good number of chapters). In regards to a hypothetical scenario where she's locked to a pegasus knight progression though, she's still good if only because flying classes are just kind of insane and overtuned in 3H.

[@sunnytaproom]

Fire emblem mystery of the emblem remake (12) is the only game that I've played in the series where I almost gave up, even in its lowest difficulty and palla plus the general avatar were the only two reasons I kept playing. Again, I'm no pro but I always found it odd how something like radiant dawn hard mode or shadow dragon H2/3 gave me less of an issue. While I haven't played the mystery remake on its hardest difficulty I can confirm that palla Is *almost Just as important in normal mode.

[@MythrilZenith]

@@sunnytaproom New Mystery is particularly brutal in its difficulty. Something about the enemy variety, high enemy stats, lots of your own units who might have higher Growths but whose bases aren't that much better than past games, and the very brutal maps in general make the game really difficult. Lunatic is borderline unbeatable without very specific routing, Maniac will hit stat walls that grind you down, and even base Hard gives a lot of your units pretty poor starting stats in comparison to enemies when compared to most other FE games. You will really rely on the few units you get that have solid bases, especially who can use forged effective weaponry, while also needing to train a lot of units because enemies are largely strong enough to prevent most enemy phase play. It's a very different feeling game from other FEs, despite not having a lot of extra mechanics like 3H or Engage.

[@thoughtfulinsanity3050]

I would actually say Chloe is best as levin sword Griffin Knight

[@246Rennie]

Honestly i always liked Subaki, his personal skill and good Skill makes him a nice unit to use Swordcatcher on. He's never amazing but always servicable.

[@jangoligth]

I disagree for Florina due to Lyn Mode and she's getting better in combat and for Chloe too as i find her pretty mediocre in combat

[@disclaimin]

Agreed with regard to Florina. The distance between her and the other pegs is rather insane given her availability, and the asterisks that should weigh down Farina.

[@FiboSai]

I'm pretty sure he didn't consider Lyn mode when ranking Florina. If you do, she moves up to maybe second best unit in the game, but without it, her bases are so bad that giving her kills is a pain. 9 speed with 4 con gives her attack speed comparable to an armor knight when using anything except the slim lance.

[@darkjaden-fe]

The way I play FE8--which is usually by skipping the World Map entirely and just going from chapter to chapter, as I think it gives a bit extra challenge to have those restrictions--I personally put Tana above Vanessa. If you're not making use of the tower and skirmishes, Vanessa is EXTREMELY hard to train up early. Her first couple turns on her join map are taken up by rescue dropping Ross and Garcia, and then she faces weapon triangle disadvantage on every enemy on the map, except the one archer, that you don't want her to go after for obvious reasons. She's incredibly frail and dies is two hits on her join map, so if you're playing an Iron Man or don't want to reset, it's incredibly risky to have her fight anything. Chapter 3 is much the same, she can't really do much because of the archer that exists over the wall and all of the enemies with axes. You can obviously train her up in Chapter 4, but outside of that, her main utilities are rescue-dropping. In almost every playthrough, Vanessa is barely level 2 or 3 by the time I get to the route split, meaning Tana is a higher level, closer to promotion, with better bases. Vanessa is still a good unit, very good for rescue-dropping and reaching objectives quicker, but if you're playing without grinding, she's extremely difficult to train up earlygame, and even harder to train up late game. I will die on this hill lol I love Vanessa but she is not the god-tier unit people seem to make her out to be lol

[@windego999]

Yeah, I never get the obsession with how godly Vanessa is. I think people overvalue her rescue/carry potential. In a game like SS where there's a ton of axe users or just people with lances, she doesn't get a ton of value early on. You have to deliberately funnel EXP into her which is something people can't claim they're cool with when you can get good value from grinding up the rookie units yet people hate having to babysit them for it. But Vanessa gets a pass? In my personal experience, her STR growth is very poor and I usually get RNG screwed with her to the point she's literally stuck at maybe 12 STR at best even post promotion and just does crap damage all game. If I have to funnel EXP and rush Supports for her to be incredible, I can do that with anyone else who's good or better earlier than she is with less investment which, again, is the same argument people make for why the 3 rookie units suck. SS is already an easy game if you bother using the tower and random encounters to grind but people always hate doing that because it isn't what FE is to them. I just wish people would let others play how they want instead of the constant elitism in the FE community.

[@EZog58]

I'll accept any pro-Tana post.

[@RobotGuy405]

@@windego999 dont forget shes made of wet tissue paper. Even in wyvern knight,, she cant take more than 1 or 2 hits and will always melt to arrows.

[@smileytlj23]

That's improbable

[@smileytlj23]

​@windego999 Personal experience is subjective and shouldn't be taken into account over what is factually evident. Her strength growth is inconsequential as the only units who potentially one round anything are Seth and Franz. If you want to up her damage output, she's force deployed with Gilliam who in no way needs his iron lance as he's never making it to combat. And without needing to babysit her should be able to at the minimum get a level per chapter by just existing. With the exception of her killing mogalls exclusively and uncontested in chapter 4 which nets her 2 to 3 levels on its own. She also can get the bael kill during victims of war if she's following behind Seth and Franz towards Novala. By the time Tana joins Vanessa should already be nearing promotion while Tana is 6 levels behind and on Ephraim route, 10 chapters too late to make a difference let alone dump all your resources into when Vanessa is better suited to utilizing all the same items. The problem with the trainees is their late join time and abysmal weapon ranks and bases. Ross at least joins early enough to circumvent his shortcomings and can utilize the ocean seal to water walk Waterside Renvall. Amelia is just worst Forde who is worse Kyle, who is worse Franz, who is worse Seth. She's redundant and a waste of resources. You already have 4 cavs, probably only deploy 2 and none of them will be her. Ewan at least can grind to his promotion in his join chapter by being rescue dropped out of danger, and can promote into a diet Saleh or a mildly better Knoll. But by then just use Saleh or Artur and moulder who joined early better weapon ranks and staff utility. Tana is a great character but she has nothing over Vanessa who contributes more without a drop of investment in the early game than Tana will until Cormag joins.

[@LunarBoo]

FE15 Palla is not really a carry tbh. She usually falls off around the time you enter the tower due to her lower speed, though she's still good filler for Acts 3 and some of Act 4.

[@mysmallnoman]

Eh speed wells are a thing and the only fast enemies are dread fighters and those eyeballs

[@animesjogoseseriesclassica8282]

Dammit, Karin ! You died again ! Now i have to reset the stupid chapter because you are my only flier. 😂😂😂

[@quickpawmaud]

Throw them all in the garbage can

[@michaelbainbridge7335]

How is Chloé not in the "Carry in Training" tier? She's most definitely the best earlygame unit you get and is the easiest of those units to get to endgame.

[@xsmu1729]

Not familiar with other games, but Chloe takes quite a few levels of growths to carry into midgame, while FE12 Palla for example mostly only needs a master seal. Chloe also faces stronger competition in Engage