Overhauling Obadiah - Iron Man

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@ClassMRule
@ClassMRule 6 жыл бұрын
Nando wrote this video in a cave! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
@Northernhail
@Northernhail 6 жыл бұрын
ClassMRule well we're not Nando
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 6 жыл бұрын
Aaaaah, what a satisfying reference game.
@-mohammedhakeem
@-mohammedhakeem 6 жыл бұрын
You guys think this is a joke but that is how all youtubers live
@sarahnkanu
@sarahnkanu 6 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference - also love and crack up at that quote so yesss for using it
@Paul91-
@Paul91- 5 жыл бұрын
Im sorry sir but I'm not Nando.
@potatohead7579
@potatohead7579 6 жыл бұрын
Great ideas, but I would still keep Tony deciding to stop making weapons in the middle of the film because I think it brings more tension between Tony and Obadiah Stane. Also, It would keep that line: "How ironic, Tony! Trying to rid the world of weapons, you gave it its best one ever!" I really like it.
@xsanguine8
@xsanguine8 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Obadiah was on damage control after that first press conference, "Woah woah, he didn't mean that, Stark Industries will just be on hiatus while we investigate/evaluate some of our policies, no decision has been made to actually stop production, Tony is just exhausted."
@hectorarredondo6929
@hectorarredondo6929 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah once he kills tony je can sell the suit to the military with tonys design
@TannerC12345
@TannerC12345 6 жыл бұрын
Yoo that responsibility "speech" is quite fantastic! Excellent writing by you, keep up the awesome work!
@WaterMeLoan64
@WaterMeLoan64 3 жыл бұрын
With Great Power Comes Great Property Damage.
@darksev.6468
@darksev.6468 6 жыл бұрын
Step 1: Work at MARVEL Step 2: Hire Nando Step 3: leave
@unhelpfulrevelations7989
@unhelpfulrevelations7989 6 жыл бұрын
this video is so good it almost ruins one of my favorite movies
@nobody4248
@nobody4248 5 жыл бұрын
Step 1: Work at MARVEL Step 2: Hire Nando Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
@zandyman2577
@zandyman2577 4 жыл бұрын
Here’s one thing though I think Nando and marvel would play brilliantly off one another’s ideas
@queendsheena1
@queendsheena1 6 жыл бұрын
Oh yes I 100% agree with this. I always felt Obadiah was lacking as a complete character. You gave a great alternative. Thanks for another amazing video. Take care and remember when you have some free time...Sucker Punch film.
@anoriginalname2544
@anoriginalname2544 6 жыл бұрын
i totally agree
@Pernection
@Pernection 6 жыл бұрын
He hasn't done very much here. What he is saying is what I took from the movie already. Maybe he should watch RoboCop to see what I mean.
@barisbal7782
@barisbal7782 5 жыл бұрын
in 2008 people also met with ledgers joker. so they just tagged this villain(and many other marvel villain) as generic like it supposed to be bad thing. im glad this video came out because i was one of those people too
@EmpressJovian
@EmpressJovian 5 жыл бұрын
The thing I love about this new version is that it really pushes the superhero idea of deciding to take responsibility. Obidiah argues ‘you’re not responsible, so many people have had a hand in this, who’s to say?’ And then Tony learns that yes, that may be true, but the only way for the problem to be fixed is to actively take the responsibility. In shouldering the blame, he takes control of the situation and can begin to make changes. What a lesson.
@Stolanis
@Stolanis 6 жыл бұрын
I don't agree that Obadiah was completely unrelatable. I do think that aligning him with the terrorists was a rather lazy way of making him appear evil and that his character would've been a LOT more compelling if they'd played him as a true blue patriot, but I think Oby's motivations were pretty consistent and understandable given what we're told about the past of Stark Industries right near the beginning of the film. Stark Industries was set up as a partnership between Daddy Stark and Obadiah. Ever since the beginning he has been one of the central pillars holding up the company - he has put far more work, blood, sweat and tears into upholding Stark Industries than Tony ever has - and yet for some reason he's treated like a regent, someone who's merely keeping the throne warm until the up-and-comer wunderkind Tony is ready to take it. Put yourself in his shoes. You build a kingdom with someone that you respect and trust as a brother, you work hard for every scrap of recognition and status in serving King Stark fully expecting to be rewarded for your loyalty, and then one day your bro turns around and says 'so hey I went and sired a brat he's gonna rule the kingdom one day have fun looking after it for him' and then promptly dies. It makes perfect sense to me that Obadiah would feel 100% entitled to his role as the successor of Stark Industries - what, he's supposed to just step out of the way just because Stark's kid grew old enough to make bombs? Who *built* the company, damn it?! That being said, using terrorists to try and assassinate him was, as I said, a rather lazy device: if Oby had just been up-front with Tony and said 'look you're a smart kid and I'd like to keep you around but I have NO intention of handing over the reins so don't go thinking you can stop us from making weapons just cuz the company has your name on it' I think that would've been a much more interesting dynamic. Buuuut he turned out to be a typical shallow villain, so backstabbing happened.
@ak_oneoneone
@ak_oneoneone 6 жыл бұрын
You're HIRED!! Welcome to Marvel Studios!!!
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Business casual, I assume?
@ak_oneoneone
@ak_oneoneone 6 жыл бұрын
Nando v Movies How 'bout tommorow?
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 6 жыл бұрын
Dr Nando, Hollywood Script Doctor.
@kingcole5977
@kingcole5977 6 жыл бұрын
_*'Nando_ _v_ _Movies'_ _enters_ _his_ _home,_ _the_ _lights_ _not_ _working._ _A_ _stranger_ _in_ _the_ _shadows_ _greets_ _him._ Stranger: " 'Business casual'?. You think you're the only video essayist on the internet? Mr Nando, you have become part of a bigger universe, you just don't know it yet." Nando: "Who the hell are you?" Stranger: "Stan Lee, the godfather of Marvel. I'm here to talk to you about the screenwriter initiative."
@power_houz
@power_houz 6 жыл бұрын
MMHM. The MCU is now going on a multiversal scale; the Ultimates MCU, by Nando.
@a.s.r.884
@a.s.r.884 6 жыл бұрын
I loved Iron Man, but that speech at the charity man, I felt genuine chills when I started to nod along when he was asking about where the blame stops. How in the hell have you not been hired by someone as a screenwriter. It's an even greater mystery than whats up with the Bermuda triangle; or how the DCEU constantly surpasses all expectations, specifically of how badly they can make a film.
@ginsan8198
@ginsan8198 6 жыл бұрын
This does put a smile on my face.
@Kiribruh02
@Kiribruh02 6 жыл бұрын
Ginanjar Putu Wijaya ha
@hedleyhorler5977
@hedleyhorler5977 6 жыл бұрын
Consistently one of the best channels on KZbin, so happy you've been posting more recently! I'm a big fan-boy of Iron Man and yet I can't really argue with any of your points; especially the dialogue from Stane to Tony with 'the guy who paints the runway lines' comment. So good!
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hedley!
@hedleyhorler5977
@hedleyhorler5977 6 жыл бұрын
No problem dude, keep doing what you're doing!
@katherinesanderson8990
@katherinesanderson8990 6 жыл бұрын
I was a bit sceptical at first because I still like Obadiah as a villain but you nailed it once again.
@barisbal7782
@barisbal7782 5 жыл бұрын
in 2008 people also met with ledgers joker. so they just tagged this villain(and many other marvel villain) as generic like it supposed to be bad thing. im glad this video came out because i was one of those people too
@akashi3065
@akashi3065 6 жыл бұрын
I can always feel the love and respect you feel towards the movies. Your changes really improve my enjoyment of the movie, I hope you can continue to make hight quantity as this.
@SxC97
@SxC97 6 жыл бұрын
I think Obadiah was secretly a part of Hydra. That make a lot more sense, I just think that they didn’t mention that in TWS. Hydra had a history of working with terrorist organizations to sow chaos. It just makes sense that Hydra would want someone close to one of the smartest, most powerful people in the weapons industry (Stark), and would want someone who could help increase global conflict by arming both sides. I mean what exactly was his plan even at the end of Iron Man? He would kill a public figure in broad daylight and then what? Just sell the tech and go live a happy life? I think having Hydra as a force that could back him up would make a lot more sense.
@angelaphsiao
@angelaphsiao 6 жыл бұрын
Ok but that doesn’t make him a more interesting villain
@backupplan6058
@backupplan6058 6 жыл бұрын
SxC97, fully agree. Why wouldn’t Hydra try to get control of a company like Stark Industry’s, they already compromised most of Shield, senators and various other organisations as shown in Agents of Shield. With Obadiah he could funnel weapons to terrorists to spread fear while those actions only made Hydra controlled organisations stronger, more powerful and take away civil liberties. Just look at how terrorism has effected liberty since 9/11. Also with his position at the for front of technological development he could funnel the best advances to Hydra rather than getting to the hands of their enemy’s. We know the Arc reactor was an advent to sustainable power generation, it just at the time was not with the replaced palladium substance that Howard could not manufacturer. So before he could use it to bring in a new age of power generation Hydra had him killed while Obadiah kept the technology from the world, Hydra probably controls the oil company’s. So when Tony appears with an advance in arc technology, as well as wanted it for advances in weapons it is also making sure it doesn’t lead to a whole new power generation for the world.
@rootbeer543
@rootbeer543 6 жыл бұрын
I always had this theory as well. It definitely adds up.
@TheCookieGamer523
@TheCookieGamer523 6 жыл бұрын
SxC97 only problem is that the MCU was in its infancy so they didn't try to plan too far ahead to link the stories more intrinsically. Remember this film was made not knowing that MARVEL would absolutely dominate the film industry for the next 10 years. However it does help and make a more interesting story overall
@elin111
@elin111 6 жыл бұрын
They could've retconned Obadaiah into a Hydra agent, maybe in the scene where Steve finds AI Zola they could've shown a brief picture of Obadaiah as an agent. They retconned the mask wearing kid from Iron Man 2 into Peter Parker so a retcon like Hydra Iron Monger could've worked.
@caxem996
@caxem996 6 жыл бұрын
You have without a doubt become one of my all time favorite creators. I get so excited when I see you post something new. Really well thought out and logical ideas.
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BradenJay_
@BradenJay_ 6 жыл бұрын
Your channel is so thorough, please tell me you are trying to get into screenwriting.
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps
@catfoy8888
@catfoy8888 6 жыл бұрын
But that would mean he would have to stop making videos
@mataburt
@mataburt 6 жыл бұрын
He may stop making videos, but he would then be making films.
@big99gamer18
@big99gamer18 6 жыл бұрын
Matt Burtless films we can all enjoy knowing he is behind them
@BradenJay_
@BradenJay_ 6 жыл бұрын
Just a video idea, but I always felt like there was something off in Captain America: The First Avenger.
@Scandal262
@Scandal262 6 жыл бұрын
Hes got the best line in the film so he gets a pass from me
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to "TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"
@b.sharp.
@b.sharp. 6 жыл бұрын
Which line?
@stobie8128
@stobie8128 6 жыл бұрын
He has a few great lines. Another one I like is when he says "Hold still ya little prick."
@YouFightLikeACow
@YouFightLikeACow 6 жыл бұрын
in a cave
@Scandal262
@Scandal262 6 жыл бұрын
Nando v Movies yep. Thats one of my favourite movie quotes ever. 'Hold still ya little prick' is a close second for Obadiah
@oomomow6621
@oomomow6621 6 жыл бұрын
I'm extremely happy that you've made a Discord server! Been wanting that for so long, am looking forward to being there. As always, amazing video. Love your content.
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will be way more involved with the server tomorrow. I am still very actively trying to avoid Infinity War spoilers.
@oomomow6621
@oomomow6621 6 жыл бұрын
Oooooo do I feel that. I have to stay away from all my servers until tomorrow night when I see it haha!
@teradul2480
@teradul2480 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, that Obediah monologue was really good. Actual chills.
@tobyschmoll2792
@tobyschmoll2792 5 жыл бұрын
Obadiah working with the terrorists was actually a good idea. Obadiah was "ironmonger". Ironmonger is the name for someone who sells weapons. Weapons don't get sold if there's no one to shoot them at. Ergo, helping terrorists occasionally so that weapons get sold. It's twisted logic but it plays into the character's power mad persona very well. Trying to kill Tony using terrorists so that Obadiah could take the company is legitimate if twisted. It was only when Tony popped up with the arc reactor that Obadiah found out he was killing the golden goose. Obadiah was just following the money as always
@memeenthusiast4052
@memeenthusiast4052 6 жыл бұрын
Dude this is so amazing. Just wow. One of the best vids you have ever made.
@sparklesthefatcat5826
@sparklesthefatcat5826 6 жыл бұрын
This is an insanely good rewrite I already adore Iron Man 1 but oh my god I would give so much to watch this version of the movie.
@DoubleO88
@DoubleO88 6 жыл бұрын
Obidiah was Thanos' human form, that's how Thanos knows who Stark is.
@GabyGeorge1996
@GabyGeorge1996 6 жыл бұрын
DoubleO88 except Thanos (in Infinity War, anyways) took no personal pleasure in killing, whereas Obiadah Stane seemed to want to kill for the Evulz
@darth1nsidious726
@darth1nsidious726 6 жыл бұрын
He knew his name, because of the Soul stone
@Addy0302
@Addy0302 6 жыл бұрын
I accept this theory
@bappojujubes981
@bappojujubes981 6 жыл бұрын
@@Addy0302 THEORY? this is canon!
@Charmer4856
@Charmer4856 6 жыл бұрын
OHHHHHHH I like this!
@SuperCheeseGod
@SuperCheeseGod 6 жыл бұрын
Man you have the best channel out there regarding scripts. I like every single suggestion you make! I wish people paid attention to those issues on the original movies
@digydigdogdead
@digydigdogdead 6 жыл бұрын
Again you're completely right. But I think the reason they went with Obadiah being just a big bad instead of a baddie with relatable motivations was because I think the way you've ordered here would maybe be too much of a political statement regarding the use of weapons. Which for this disney owned franchise which was meant to set a precedent for a larger series with family appeal, maybe would have been too risky. OR maybe they just aren't as good a writer as you which is entirely possible.
@xanious3759
@xanious3759 5 жыл бұрын
Iron Man 1 was made before marvel was owned by disney.
@dannyhuskerjay
@dannyhuskerjay 5 жыл бұрын
Jon F is a great director and writer who is a fan of the stuff he does. So I think he made Obadiah the way he was because that’s how he was in the comics .
@allieodair
@allieodair 6 жыл бұрын
You say "one small change" but somehow it makes EVERYTHING so much better and every time I fall in love with your versions
@amanbajracharya1160
@amanbajracharya1160 4 жыл бұрын
The one thing I've learned for these videos is that there is an importance for a mirror reflection between the hero and the villain if the characters are about to do through a transactional moment. Really loved the video. Keep up the great work
@bounty8438
@bounty8438 5 жыл бұрын
Here’s how I would rewrite the Iron Man trilogy. IM1: relatively the same, but have the villain be Justin Hammer. He would be a competitor that leads Tony to try to constantly one up him. This would lead to the desert scenes, which are relatively unchanged. Somehow, Tony will learn of hammers involvement in his capture, and that he is trying to make a suit of armor that would obliterate Stark Industries. This leads Tony to make the original suit to escape his captors. When he gets home he tells Pepper about the secret plot. She is worried, but thinks that Stark industries should stop trying to one up Hammer Tech. Eventually tony gets the modern Iron Man armor, and uses it to take out the terrorists from before. When Tony gets back from this encounter, he announces that Stark Industries will no longer be making weapons. Once Hammer sees this he decides to take the OG Iron man armor an make his own version: the Detroit Steel. He eventually crashes Tony’s house with the massive armor and Tony has to quick get his armor before he is killed. This all leads to a massive fight between Iron man and Detroit Steel. At one point Detroit says “ When you made that change, I just took your place. I’m the war monger now.” It ends with Tony sabotaging the Detroit Steel, imprisoning Justin Hammer, and declaring that he is Iron Man. End credits stays same, but a Mid credit scene would set up the next iron man movie showing Justin meeting his cell mate: whiplash. IM2. Keep whiplash as the main villain, but change several key story elements. This story would be about the sins of the past, and letting go of past offenses while also using those offenses to learn what to do for the future. Whiplash hates the Starks because they screwed over his ancestors. He uses the recent events of IM1 to make his own weapon: a series of electrical whips. He catches Tony off guard at a Galla or something, where he threatens to kill mor of his investors and guests. Tony suits up with the briefcase suit and beats Whiplash. The victory is short lived, as whiplash damaged Tony’s arc reactor. Tony realizes that he is dying and has only a few days to live. This would bring up Tony’s alcoholism and his reckless nature. At one point Tony is watching an old recording of Howard Stark and it goes the same direction as the original, minus tony making a new element and Howard mentions the Vanko family. He claims they were the best workers he ever had, but they tried to swindle him. So he fired them, without knowledge of their newborn son. This is what tony uses to convince Ivan about his parents. Whiplash dies because of a malfunction of his arc reactor knock off.The movie ends with whiplash accidentally dying in the hands of Tony. In his last moments, Whiplash forgives Tony for his past mistakes. IM3 this would loosely follow the Armor Wars comic storyline. No extremis. This would start with a broadcast from the Mandarin claiming that he is the one who will bring down modern America. Tony ingnores this for a while, but his best friend (Rhody) would have a close call and would have an injury involving his legs. This is where war machine would come in. Tony debates whether or not he should check out this terrorist, when one of his amors starts to fight him. He disables it, but the armor ends up flying away. As Tony investigates, he finds that all of his armors are missing. He wonders why this is, when a peculiar message plays on his screen: “I’ve had my eye on you for a while, Mr Stark. You may wonder where your technology has gone. I have it. I will use your power to control the world. You want them? Come and get them.” Tony starts to try and track his suits, but they are spread all over the world. He decides to take them down one by one, all while Rhody has been getting worse and worse. He needs an iron man suit. Eventually, Tony gets a prototype suit and flys it down to Rhody’s hospital. Just before Rhody dies, Tony gives the doctors the prototype suit. They use it to save Rhody’s life and it gives him the powers of iron man. Just before Tony leaves the hospital, he gets this message: “ I see you think you have what it takes to beat me. I have an army. You have a prototype. I will crush you.” This leads to the big finale: Tony and Rhody taking down every suit tony ever made. They find the Mandarin’s hideout and arrest him, leading to the mid credits scene, where we find out that the Mandarin has been getting weapons and tech from Hammer Tech. Hammer would say something like “I see that our funds have been going to a good cause. Maybe I should start looking for others who might fair better from my work. Someone like AIM.” “Who the hell is AIM?” “Stark’s about to find out real soon.” I would also have an Iron Man 4 before Avengers Age of Ultron, just to help with that movie’s themes. It would be about Tony having to rescue pepper from AIM and the extremis program. The central theme would be that Tony can’t control everything, even if he wants to. These are just my personal rewrites. If you agree plz like, and comment your own rewrites! I would love to here how you would rewrite these movies.
@xavierramirez1911
@xavierramirez1911 2 жыл бұрын
just one issue with your trilogy. detroit steel wasn’t introduced until 2010, 2 years after iron man 1 came out. justin hammer could probably be titanium man instead
@ethanvillage78
@ethanvillage78 6 жыл бұрын
I knew you were going to say this because this was my exact thought process when I rewatched iron man a week ago. Great video.
@onlylk
@onlylk 6 жыл бұрын
Too be honest I feel like they used Jeff Bridges a little too early. I feel like he would make a bigger impact as a different character now instead of the mostly forgettable villain from the first movie. But as a character he’s fine but I’d say he was more underused sadly.
@cmgriffith
@cmgriffith 6 жыл бұрын
In this alternate reality he could come back. Like Loki does.
@warrust
@warrust 6 жыл бұрын
and also like **spoiler**
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 6 жыл бұрын
He could come back as another guy, they did recast Hulk, and war Machine.
@GabyGeorge1996
@GabyGeorge1996 6 жыл бұрын
Sadly that applies to several characters such as Jane Foster Heimdal where an extremely high profile actor was essentially given a bit part. The only reason Lee Pace and Djimon Hunsou weren't wasted in their roles as Ronan and Korvath is because they're due to make another appearance in he upcoming Captain Marvel movie
@darth1nsidious726
@darth1nsidious726 6 жыл бұрын
Grandsome Doubt they would reuse an actor, although he shouldn’t have died in the movie
@CodedBlue
@CodedBlue 6 жыл бұрын
What I love about you is that you only tweak one scene or point in the movie, and the whole movie is better! Well done!
@The_Real_Flump
@The_Real_Flump 5 жыл бұрын
3:48 this has been said before but, nobody has ever looked as cool riding a Segway as Jeff Bridges does in this shot
@OmegaStudios321
@OmegaStudios321 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Personally, I really liked Obadiah in Iron Man as he was, probably being one of my favourite MCU villians, but I think your ideas are really good still!
@BenFalkenstein
@BenFalkenstein 6 жыл бұрын
I just discovered you yesterday, Nando, and I love your videos more than anything else on youtube, and not just because you're talking about movies I love, or that you're brilliant at breaking down what works and doesn't work in them. I love your videos as KZbin videos. You've cut out the crap that plagues seemingly ever damn video and content creator on youtube. There's no intro other than a quick premise, there's no "Hit that like button" in the beginning, there's no "Today we're gonna talk about *topic of video that was already covered in thumbnail and the reason you clicked on the video*....but first..." No, you just get right to it, and you don't stop until the video is over. Everything from the simple thumbnail all the way through to the end of the video is streamlined for the exact content I click on your videos for, and I can't stress how much I appreciate you for that. And you being good at designing and editing your videos doesn't just serve aesthetic purposes; it lends credence to points your trying to get across in your videos. Could you imagine trying to make the point that changing a scene in a movie would improve it, while having horrendous editing and the usual content creator cadence? You'd have a tough time selling your ideas, I imagine. Thanks for all the hard work, Nando. I really love your videos.
@johnmorrell3187
@johnmorrell3187 6 жыл бұрын
Being able to understand villains isn't key, I would say. Look at the Joker. I mean, I can kind of understand him in the sense that I can understand that he's an agent of chaos, but who really knows why he's doing what he does. Yet he's a great villain, because he makes you afraid of what he'll do. In that sense Obadiah seems good to me since he has a real impressive dark side which is shown off in the terrorist dealing scene.
@JeremyMBooks
@JeremyMBooks 7 ай бұрын
I know this comment is 5 years old, but I gotta give my 2 cents. The difference is that the whole point of the Joker is that you can't understand him. The point of Obadiah is literally in his moniker, he's an iron monger. Nando's version makes far more sense for a character who personifies the military industrial complex.
@FlammingtonStudios
@FlammingtonStudios 6 жыл бұрын
That new dialogue you wrote was fantastic, I could very clearly hear the characters saying those lines, it was so good. Well done sir! Another fantastic video!
@jakobflare6668
@jakobflare6668 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best one yet. That hypothetical conversation was absolutely amazing. Wow.
@coolassassin43
@coolassassin43 6 жыл бұрын
Ayo, this was beautiful. Like real talk my guy. I’m finna start promoting your channel. Good luck.
@NandovMovies
@NandovMovies 6 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm
@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm 6 жыл бұрын
You're seriously one of my favorite channels. Keep up the awesome work.
@jacobchancellor4139
@jacobchancellor4139 6 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I just wanted to tell you how much I’m enjoying your content. I usually hate these “fixing/video essay” channels but you have really proved me wrong. Engaging, fun, well thought out brilliant videos. Keep up the excellent work ❣
@telltellyn
@telltellyn 6 жыл бұрын
I've disagreed with a lot of your suggestions in previous videos, but this one was great. Well done man.
@kickbikable
@kickbikable 5 жыл бұрын
The dialog you made between Obadiah and Tony from 5:06 to 6:08 was excellent. Since Obadiah was the one to take over Stark Industries after Howard Stark was killed by the Winter Soldier. And then became the second in command because Tony grew old enough. Makes Obadiah look at Tony like he is still a kid. The way the dialog is made shows this. Especially the line "We'll take the branding off, will that make you feel better?" It is like you are compromising for a child. It doesn't fix the problem but it masks the name of Stark making him feel less guilty. +1
@warrior0920
@warrior0920 6 жыл бұрын
I see you actually came through with a discord server! Im excited for more fan interaction!
@fyzxnerd
@fyzxnerd 4 жыл бұрын
I know I'm only two years late, but damn this really feels like the one thing that I didn't know was missing from an already amazing movie.
@wiseguychampia6647
@wiseguychampia6647 6 жыл бұрын
Kingpin wasn't a boring buisness villain, he's violent, but he has motives to save Hell's Kitchen in his own image
@Surelooksurelistenpodcast
@Surelooksurelistenpodcast 6 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense that I think my brain has actually been convinced that the points you made really were Stane's motivations for the last ten years.
@Magnos
@Magnos 6 жыл бұрын
I almost never write youtube comments... but holy crap.... Every single point you made in this video is fantastic! You totally showed what could have been. At the beginning of the video i was pretty much like "Iron man is an amazing movie, there's not really anything to make better" And now i see how amazing it could have been!
@amirvangieson6320
@amirvangieson6320 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos continue to amaze me. You have a really unique skill for strengthening stories and it’d be cool to see you work on a big movie or book in the future!
@stranger59
@stranger59 6 жыл бұрын
I like most of it, but I think Tony has to renounce weapons in the middle if Stane is to both be more sympathetic AND still turn so violently against him by the end. That initial swerve sets them down different paths, and ultimately leads to their confrontation. I'm surprised you haven't done a video about how the DCEU would be better if Zod lived and became the Vegeta of the series. That's something I think about everytime MoS is even mentioned around me.
@cmgriffith
@cmgriffith 6 жыл бұрын
Dude then we could have Superman and Zod verses Steppenwolf (who would be DCEU's Frieza).
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 5 жыл бұрын
To get that, you'd need Zod that 1)cares about Krypton much more then shown in a movie; 2)find out about Lois being pregnant from Kal thus proving that humans and kryptonians are subspecies then can procreate together; 3)meet either enhanced human or human, who can beat him - either classical Lex or Vandal Savage; 4)get a full spoon of his own treatment by someone, who's stronger; 5)add his own revenge subplot against Brainiac. You can move 5 into the top priority in fact.
@twicejaeger6997
@twicejaeger6997 6 жыл бұрын
I cant wait For Your video improving Infinity War, i haven"t even saw the film and am already exited For that video 😂😂
@gezdowning5988
@gezdowning5988 6 жыл бұрын
Same here, but let me assure you, It was a bloody brilliant film, saw it at midnight last night
@twicejaeger6997
@twicejaeger6997 6 жыл бұрын
Gez Downing awesome! Am going to watch it tonigth!
@donpepe8440
@donpepe8440 5 жыл бұрын
@@gezdowning5988 ironman dies
@gezdowning5988
@gezdowning5988 5 жыл бұрын
@@donpepe8440 you are a scrub if you think I haven't seen it by now😂
@donpepe8440
@donpepe8440 5 жыл бұрын
@@gezdowning5988 and thor is phet
@andrewdowns3673
@andrewdowns3673 6 жыл бұрын
Dear NandovMovies, My name is Logan S. Rider and I have recently (today) made my first twitter account and followed you on it with the main reason being that I want to talk to you. See I find your way of looking at how to not only restructure a story very exciting but also find how you instruct your audience on the different parts of story's structure very helpful. You see, I'm an up and coming writer who wants to write and eventually direct for big budgeted Hollywood films, but unfortunately I can never find any classes or research on how to become one. I am currently going to an Art Institute but the classes aren't helping with what I need. And then I found your show and it has greatly helped me in learning how movies and stories should be structured. For example, I really found it helpful with your recent The Justice League Rewrite series, Pt. 1, you went over the main parts to the 1st Act of a story: The Ordinary World, The Act One Hook, The Exciting Incident, The Denial then Acceptance of the Call to Action, The Crossover of the Threshold, and The Character Stepping Out of their Comfort Zone. These and other 'lessons' have really helped me in figuring out how to start up a story. With that said, I would like to ask a question: how does the NandovMovies Twitter page work exactly? From what I remember from your videos their's supposed to be place where where people can not only get your content, but also share their own story rewrites. I can't remember what video that was and from what I've seen on your twitter account its probably not what I was looking for since the tweets are only about three-four sentences long. But if you do in fact have a place where others can post their own story rewrites, then I would like to be able to post there a story rewrite of my own. For the past few months me and a friend of mine have been trying to rewrite Universal Studios' Dark Universe - you know, Tom Cruise's The Mummy movie that came out last year. We are structuring the series in a sort of MCU Phase 1 format, with the series in order consisting of Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, The Wolfman, Mr. Hyde v The Invisible Man (name pending), The Mummies, The Creature from the Black Lagoon, and lastly for the big Avengers team up film, War of the Monsters. We've gotten pretty far and hopefully are doing a good job, the only problem is that we don't know if our stories are being made as well as we're hoping since we're still new at this. So, if you do have a place where others are able to post their own story rewrites, then may we post ours there so that we can get some constructive criticism and feedback? And if so, do you look at these rewrites yourself? If so then that would be incredibly helpful if you were able to give us some pointers to what we should be doing and not be doing, since your obviously very knowledgeable on how stories should be done. Thank you and I can't wait to see your next video. Sincerely, Logan S. Rider.
@mr.handsomecoffeecup2406
@mr.handsomecoffeecup2406 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!! Guys I just want to say we are a day away from infinity war if you don't want the movie spoiled please be careful when scrolling through recommended people are posting clips from the movie.
@MrBallinmangosocks
@MrBallinmangosocks 6 жыл бұрын
I’m really wondering how long it takes movie companies to learn about this channel and take you seriously. I’m being serious these changes are incredible if you were a consultant on a movie that would be some serious points towards its quality. Nando you impress as always
@wdcain1
@wdcain1 6 жыл бұрын
I love how Obadiah was handled in the _Ironman: Armored Adventures_ cartoon. He was super crooked in that show but it showed that his position as CEO was precarious and he was desperate for Ironman tech to keep his job. When he lost it and he got in the Iron Mongor armor, his daughter even lampshades his dumb plan by asking him what he plans to do: Stay in that armor forever? That cartoon was so darn good.
@plasticZarathustra
@plasticZarathustra 6 жыл бұрын
This was a great video essay! Thanks for refining my view of one of my favorite movies
@cupcakes14568
@cupcakes14568 5 жыл бұрын
iron man honestly feels like 2 separate movies. they could have made the ten ring ppl the villain and then had an obadiah twist in the next movie, having obadiah be an at least semi-trustable character in the first movie would make him being a villain more surprising and high-stakes
@thegooseinator9614
@thegooseinator9614 6 жыл бұрын
I think it’s less that Obadiah SHOULDNT have worked with the terrorists, but more that he should’ve had more of a reason for doing so than just wanting full control of the company. Maybe he even would’ve suspected that Tony would pull a move like shutting down the weapons division, and would’ve wanted him out of the picture before it happened. If the motivation is strong enough, I think working with terrorists is a great indicator of how corrupt Obadiah, and by extension the weapons industry at large, can be. Great video though, I love how intuitive your understanding of what makes a compelling script is :D
@PlanetNiles
@PlanetNiles 6 жыл бұрын
Tony breaking the wheel midway through the movie is what puts pressure on Obadiah and ultimately ends up in the Kill-Tony; Steal-the-company plot.
@TheOzzyBear
@TheOzzyBear 6 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised I’ve seen a couple of your vids already and I respect how you see things and improve them, what was a great film you made it into a deeper one. I don’t usually feel that
@bigwilly43729
@bigwilly43729 6 жыл бұрын
What’s especially good about this (and Marvel movies in general) is that they keep the focus tight. Supporting characters still get their story told, but we don’t have 8 main stories, unlike another franchise with lightsabers that is struggling mightily with this.
@BigOugh
@BigOugh 6 жыл бұрын
Your re-thinks are brilliant dude.
@ifechukwuagbasi9725
@ifechukwuagbasi9725 6 жыл бұрын
Like seriously... Am I the only one who realises this guy's ability to create incredible stories.. Bro these are Oscar level movies ur creating just by correcting things u think could be better in OTHER movies... Bruh, you are one talented person... Never stop making these videos man... They're insane... 👏👏👏
@MadFoxRemixed
@MadFoxRemixed 6 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. Just watched the movie tonight and was truly delighted to see this video in my feed. Thanks Nando!
@v.v365
@v.v365 6 жыл бұрын
I love how all of these vids propose "one small change" and turn out way better than the originals
@ClassMRule
@ClassMRule 6 жыл бұрын
I kinda got this impression from the movie to begin with, but you're absolutely right
@RomanPhilosopher
@RomanPhilosopher 6 жыл бұрын
Marvel, hire this guy!
@calebwitts1232
@calebwitts1232 6 жыл бұрын
DiaMatPhilosopher He’s got great ideas, but I wonder if he’d have these ideas if the mistakes weren’t already made
@theamazingmrslick1344
@theamazingmrslick1344 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty great idea nando! And if I was in charge, I'd also make a few other changes. 1. I'd add just a random dialogue addition idea for the movie, since you can use the F word once in a pg-13 movie, in the scene where he flips out in the scientist about not being able to replicate the arc-reactor technology, I'd have him say "TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A GODDAMN CAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH A BOX OF FUCKING SCRAPS!" since when done right profanity can emphasize a problem or the true level of anger a character has and it would work since it's the first time the character has flipped out in the movie and it would help captivate just how frustrated the character is if done correctly. 2. I'd have the iron monger suit be painted blue rather than grey: one, since that's the original color of the iron monger suit and since it could help both us and him distinguish the two suits better. 3. I would replace the scenes where he helps the terrorists and pepper finding out the truth with a scene where obadiah and Tony have a massive verbal and physical altercation and argue about everything that has happened: both characters simply break down. The 2nd scene idea would be we would simply see him realize he has to take matters into his own hands and he plans to remove Tony's stocks and replace Tony as the CEO while first starting figuring out his suit idea. 4. maybe we could keep the stark weapons still ending up in the terrorists hands part: the difference would be it would be another new corporate traitor character that Tony has to find and take down and could be revealed to be working for the mandarin in iron man 3. It would also make the obadiah betraying Tony part a suprise since we think his villian is taken care of. This idea probably is one that won't work out of all 4 but just an idea. Hope you enjoy and people read this.
@taylorbenz627
@taylorbenz627 6 жыл бұрын
i love that passive-aggressive swipe at the segway
@wesman3000
@wesman3000 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, that re-written scene is so good if I could time travel I would go back to when they were having such a messy preproduction and pitch that arc and there would be just a new timeline with me as a dope ass writer. Thank you!!, thank you for that timeline.
@usmanhussain6355
@usmanhussain6355 6 жыл бұрын
I hate you... But I love you. Your videos are so thorough and makes me think again about films I love (even hate). It's honestly impressive
@SolusBatty
@SolusBatty 6 жыл бұрын
Why do you hate him? :)
@elmerson6670
@elmerson6670 6 жыл бұрын
"In some ways you can relate to the villains" Which is why Thanos is a great villain imho.
@calebwitts1232
@calebwitts1232 5 жыл бұрын
#ThanosDidNothingWrong
@dragmasanimation
@dragmasanimation 5 жыл бұрын
@@calebwitts1232 #ThanosDidEverythingWrong
@calebwitts1232
@calebwitts1232 5 жыл бұрын
Dragma's Animation Tell that to me in rush hour traffic *bud dum tss*
@buffawolf62
@buffawolf62 3 жыл бұрын
He is not that relatable though. He's lucky to be one of the survivors of his planet and his goal is so abstract and distant.
@adil9772
@adil9772 6 жыл бұрын
Man, I agree that Obadiah could have been improved, but I think the press conference where Tony announces his plans to stop weapon manufacturing should have stayed in the middle of the movie as to draw a line between Tony and Obadiah. Plus I don't completely understand how Obadiah would get remnants of Mark I, if he didn't cooperate with Ten Rings in the first place? Anyway, I always appreciate your take on comic book movies. Cheers!
@simonegreco1958
@simonegreco1958 6 жыл бұрын
Great as always. It reminded me of Strange/Kaesilius...in the sense that Kaesilius represent Strange's old way of thinking
@kannon1610
@kannon1610 5 жыл бұрын
The interesting thing about this analysis is that this arc is completely contained in the original film, and in Bridges' performance and scripting of Stane. The only thing that would be necessary to make this shift would be to cut out a few pieces of dialogue from Obadiah and the whole scene that shows him working with the terrorists
@CrazyBombWorld
@CrazyBombWorld 6 жыл бұрын
Marvel should work with you man ahah x)
@johnsquarez6806
@johnsquarez6806 6 жыл бұрын
*WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS*
@itzame_ari
@itzame_ari 3 жыл бұрын
I love this version of Iron Man and I think the reason that the movie turned out the way it did and not like how Nando would write them is that apparently, the script for Iron Man keep changing during filming and Jeff Bridges said he didn't even know that he was going to die at the end of the film until they were shooting the scene. I think had they put more thought and time into it, Nando's version would've been the actual movie.
@mattloi9693
@mattloi9693 6 жыл бұрын
New to your channel, been binge-watching cause all your content is my jam.
@womboltsundae6862
@womboltsundae6862 6 жыл бұрын
Obadiah and Tony differ because when they both put on their respective Iron Man suits, only Tony has the heart, literally. But the heart is what gives Tony compassion, and allows him to better the world. It is this reaching out to other people that makes a corporation good, because they aren't heartless normally. It's when they don't have to worry about consumers because of how indirect the business is that bad things happen, so Tony's extension to the consumers is indicative of how to behave as a business man without you being bailed out by governments.
@Tinkalanashai
@Tinkalanashai 6 жыл бұрын
Right on, brother! I'm right there with you on this one. He could've been one of the best villains in the MCU, but they kind of undercut themselves with the assassination attempt thing.
@gezdowning5988
@gezdowning5988 6 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does Jeff Bridges as Obadiah look a lot like Thanos
@GabyGeorge1996
@GabyGeorge1996 6 жыл бұрын
Gez Downing he does, doesn't he? Weird how things have sorta come full circle
@boyssouls5689
@boyssouls5689 6 жыл бұрын
Gaby George it's like poetry, it rhymes.
@elin111
@elin111 6 жыл бұрын
Great theory, but it causes a plot hole: How would Obadaiah get the Mark I to use as blueprint for his Iron Monger suit if he wasn't working with the Ten Rings?
@yepimbatman
@yepimbatman 6 жыл бұрын
Unrelated but my one change I would make to Infinity War in a similar vein to change a villain would be making Thanos aware that destroying 50% of life would include himself. Thanos is so dedicated to his cause that he is willing to accept that there is a 50/50 chance of himself dying or living with half of the world as well. His only plan after using the stones and living was to just sit down and appreciate his victory anyway so I think it would make more sense and show how dedicated he is to his cause
@Gustavo-tm9ct
@Gustavo-tm9ct 6 жыл бұрын
Damn, how do you make great movies even BETTER!!! Also, if i may suggest an idea, can you do a video on how you would have portrayed the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, now if u liked what they did with him, then i totally understand if you wouldn't wanna make one
@onethebeanieboy
@onethebeanieboy 6 жыл бұрын
Subscribing from South Korea Man your scenario is awesome. This is so well made scenario!! Do some more marvel movie like this😍😍
@logmouth
@logmouth 6 жыл бұрын
What separates Obadiah from typical business villains is that he had been working as Howard's right hand man since Tony was a kid, and he helped raise Tony, but when Howard died, Obadiah was pushed to the wayside and Tony was given control of the company. While this is ultimately good and we can tell, Obadiah understandably just feels jealous, as he put in the work and Tony was given the company because of his last name. It's a really understandable motivation to just be overwhelmingly jealous, which is what makes him being a smug asshole and toying with Tony when he is paralyzed believable. He's spend decades in the shadows and finally gets the opportunity to overtake Stark, and his desire to do so is only heightened by his feeling that Tony is taking the wrong actions. I personally believe the only necessary change is to give more spotlight to his jealousy to clear up his motivations for those that might not pick up on it.
@daywalker3735
@daywalker3735 6 жыл бұрын
Dammit this is my new favorite channel
@kerberb5994
@kerberb5994 6 жыл бұрын
What if obidiah even rescued tony from the terrorists, giving him the opportunity to be one of the first people tony sees, and giving tony reason to be thankful, but tony rejects obidiah going into his new villainous persona. That would be equally or more interesting.
@bigmastermind1
@bigmastermind1 6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for your justice league video. I'm a big DC guy so I really hope you also talk about the actual vision of Zack Snyder's DCEU shared on his vero account and what the DC universe could have been before being destroyed by corporate greed.
@Levyathyn
@Levyathyn 4 жыл бұрын
I like the idea that Tony stops making weapons when he does in the film. Firstly, not only is it going to amplify the pressure on Obadiah and potentially force him down the dark path he took, but it can add a lot of character drama afterwards with some of the Stark employees and other fallout of the change being made more apparent.
@justinweber4977
@justinweber4977 3 жыл бұрын
You know, I'm love to see your take on the Darkman movies.
@glennmatthews758
@glennmatthews758 5 жыл бұрын
Can we all just agree how badass of a name Obadiah is?
@johnnye87
@johnnye87 4 жыл бұрын
This is one of those issues where the alternative makes so much sense, and already has so much groundwork laid in the movie, that you suspect it was originally written that way and "let's add a twist where Obadiah was working with the terrorists all along" was suggested after focus groups thought he wasn't quite eeevil enough
@YasonYou
@YasonYou 6 жыл бұрын
5:16 came back to this vid to watch this part again. Love it.
@icyjon923
@icyjon923 6 жыл бұрын
Nando should seriously be a supporting writer for the mcu
@mrs.y
@mrs.y 6 жыл бұрын
I so want to see your cut of the movie. This is great.
@odistabettor
@odistabettor 6 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant analysis and set of great ideas!
@muhaiminzulkarnain5628
@muhaiminzulkarnain5628 6 жыл бұрын
Man, you're so good at fixing movies, studios should hire you as a consultant to make all their future movies better. I just watched Iron Man last week as part of my MCU marathon, and I got to admit Obadiah, being the first villain, was pretty bland compared to the other MCU baddies. Anyway, can't wait for a video on this channel where you will fix Infinity War some day. ;)
@Horatio787
@Horatio787 6 жыл бұрын
I love that your videos focus on "could have been better" arguments instead of "This is shit and you're stupid for liking it" arguments.
@Harry-ef7ne
@Harry-ef7ne 6 жыл бұрын
I’m quite new to your channel and ..... I Love it! I can’t get enough! Keep up the great work :)
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