Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Getting to the core

[@Daniela.Mccaffrey]

As a psychologist is so hard to say to the client: “ try to reduce the amount of substance abuse”. 😢Thank you for this kind of patient!

[@sweetmintkiss]

I dont know how therapists are doing this for years, its so hard to rationalise with a person with NPD - hats off to you doctors

[@alchemicalsoul]

It's a science like anything else. We use specific tools to disarm the ego, which the general population does not know how to do. Most NPD folks will avoid treatment.

[@ezdeezytube]

But there is no effective treatment. While the literature calls it "challenging" to treat, the blunt truth is there is no cure for NPD.

[@Richard-n2w1g]

It's almost like the patient was being argumentative on purpose so he wouldn't have to go through with the therapy. Setting up questions to make the therapist feel like there would be no understanding between them. Knowing he needs to get better but doing everything he can to prevent it. I guess that's just how their brains are wired. And the reason to go to therapy is to help rewire it to a more normal state. Like wiring in a car. It's not always a cut and dry answer. Sometimes you have to dig in and find where it's broken before you can get it working right. Which isn't always a quick or easy thing to do

[@miguelmarcos1971]

​@@Richard-n2w1gthink about it this way: imagine you sit in a chair and it breaks. And it happens a few times. You really are going to be skeptical about sitting on similar chairs without checking. Every relationship this guy has held with anyone is a broken chair. It's kinda because of him but not his fault :( Would you be comfortable sitting on a chair, knowing it will probably hurt and the bruise in your ass would get worse? He's not doing it to fuck with him - or maybe he is idk - my guess is he's being defensive out of mistrust.

[@ralfphilipp]

@@ezdeezytube only for less severe cases where there is sufficient self-reflection

[@hogski1000]

As a psychotherapist myself, it was great to see a world-renowned psychotherapist in a real situation struggling with his own authentic typical reactions to the NPD patient, such as smirking and squirming. Narcissists are just so difficult to talk to and here you can see the patient's typical attempts at devaluation and blame-shifting which are so discomforting, with no ability to reflect on his own behaviour. Dr Yeoman did an amazing job to keep things vaguely on track but the whole defensive, disconnected demeanor of the patient looks almost impossible to break through.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

I loved your depiction of your narcissists, as a botanist myself.

[@hogski1000]

@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Keep watching mental health content - it could prove helpful :0

[@paulaoppedisano6460]

What I noticed is that the patient blamed the former therapist for not being able to handle the intensity of therapy. Where he actually is afraid of his own emotional intensity.

[@le_th_]

He blamed the former therapist for psychoanalyzing him. He blamed Yeoman for being like the former therapist. He blamed heteronormative values as a defense against his risky, irresponsible sexual activity that puts others in danger because there is "a pill" for that. He is one HUGE defense against ever looking at himself. As a self-professed covert narcissist once wrote in a song, "It's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me"" and goes on to discuss how much she is unwilling to look at herself in the mirror.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

Bingo

[@lanal9330]

And he can only do it if it's in the late afternoon. 😉

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

Yes the grandiose self is scary. We are afraid to desroy the therapist. We are terrified of this inner bully and need to check that the shrink can handle that. But we cabn never be reassured.

[@franky6458]

Those two things don't sound mutually exclusive. He seems to know at some level he is afraid of his emotional intensity so he is looking for someone who can contain it for him. Then he can stop being 'afraid'.

[@dottyp137]

It seemed to me that he was expecting a magic trick. I want A,B and C full stop 🛑 He wants to get what he wants without doing what is required to get it 🤷‍♀️, but instead of realising that is the problem he is blame shifting. Wow you need to have a lot of patience. Hats off to you Doctor.

[@carolynforge8586]

Because he's a narcissist.

[@tegannottelling]

@@carolynforge8586 no, because he is so terrified of who he is ( or thinks he is ) in the depths of his soul to pretend, to act or perform otherwise, he thinks is his only option and he doesn’t trust the doctor ( or anyone else ) especially not himself, to even open the door to the less palatable sides of his personality, therefore it high jacks his entire personality But yes, because he is a narcissist. Because consciously or not, that’s what they do.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

You certainly want it to be the case. Why is that? We must be bad, right? Why? Who is using who?

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@tegannottelling Ok, the narcissist thinks the only option is to pretend (unconsciously). I agree. In fact we don't see any other option. Now why can't we trust anyone (which is true)? And very important: why are we so terrified of ourselves?

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

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[@godthesonhasilluminatedme]

From what I gather from this video along with experience with others whom I believe to be narcissists is: that any simple question which could lead to a deep conversation gets twisted and turned quite often. Moreover, the questions are potential LAND MINES if you don’t tread carefully and slowly

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

I don't relate personally . I am curious though. Are these people young or old male or female? They sound quite paranoiac (which we are but contained, I mean my type).

[@LeandroVelez7]

I’m hearing: “I want to be aware but I don’t want to go through the discomfort of difficult emotions that being aware will require. I want to see but my defenses keep me from looking.”

[@tegannottelling]

You hit the nail on the head. But basically they are too scared to. It’s like a cornered animal. Facing the person they are terrified they are is a fate worse than death

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@tegannottelling Obviously we have good reasons to be terrified to discover who we are Who are we?

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@LeandroVelez. What are we?

[@Pieceofpeace43]

That’s why they are not fully human to me and according to specialist. Their defenses mechanism are so strong it’s almost supernatural at this point. This is pointless. This is so so sad.

[@bradleyriddell4745]

All feelings are allowed, all behaviours aren’t….!!!

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

Allowed by whom?

[@NkaujKabLiaThoj]

This is heartbreaking to watch. I understand that the therapist has to protect himself and set expectations but when a patient is dealing with what seems like an infinite inconsolable suffering, I would understand why some people would rather do drugs than to attend one of these sessions. As someone who once suffered an incomprehensible amount of pain, I feel for this patient and I’m proud he even showed up to therapy. This is the first step to healing. Now he just has to find the therapist that he is able to professionally connect with.

[@catalinachameleon]

If I understand accurately, there is a note above that this is a role play with an actor, to demonstrate a kind of dilemma that might occur in therapy.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

I don't relate to the suffering. regarding NPD Could you eexpand?

[@adhdself-love]

You hate yourself so much that you have to make other people your bad guy. You can't face what you think of as absolutely DISGUSTING about yourself such as needing love (yuck! gross! pathetic! If I were lovable, I would automatically be loved, since I feel unlovable because I am not being loved, it's either I am disgusting because I am unlovable, or that other people are just not seeing how lovable I actually am. I must convince others that they are simply not seeing the real, lovable me, so, I will make a bad guy for them to compare me to. Then they will see, I am innocent and capable and good, therefore worthy of being loved; THEY are bad, and gross and disgusting and awful because they dont deserv love and compared to me, now that we are side by side for contrast, should be obvious!) Displacing those feelings into an external vessel so you don't feel as disgusting and ugly and terrible and stupid and unworthy. If the bad guy is out there, he is not in me, therefore he is not me, then at least I can have a reason to use the oxygen I'm usually am afraid to realize that I feel as if I'm selfishly and undeservedly taking up to sustain someone so unworthy if life as I. The problem is that this is a young child's defense against "being" bad and wrong. Now we get sinister for real: Turning on your own child and making them take your immaturely-dealt-with inner, delusional garbage is vile and reprehensible. Now you are a real bad guy who cannot face how bad he is and to save himself, this now truly terrible person, he sacrifices his child so he can be the good one in his own fucking delusional head and heartless chest cavity. Thus is a case of becoming what you hate about yourself. Suffering needs to be dealt with healthfully, meaning that the narcissist needs to actually have the spine to not find themselves disgusting for needing love. This is tough. I'm not gonna lie. This is really brave work. Then it is a matter of consistency in recognizing that every, little time you want to make someone into a bad guy when YOU feel shame over bei g stupid or not up to snuff in some way, that you are probably partially responsible for the sudden appearance of this external bad guy and to think the interaction over, even if you were impulsive and reacted to their perceived maltreatment of you, just reflect and eventually, over many instances of doing this, you will start to see fewer bad guys so quickly, then fewer bad guys, overall. It is a LONG ROAD. But some of us irresponsible assholes can become compassionate for others and ourselves over time and PRACTICE even with having made so many mistakes and ruined relationships of all depths. But with guts, and real determination, and with much less cowardice it can be done. Sometimes, we don't immediately turn on someone place the blame onto them so we turn them into a bad guy who hurt us, therefore is unkind and undeserving of our respect. Respect of course, delusion ally, means treated as people vs being treated as garbage. It is difficult. Many fail for real because they stop trying when they fail temporarily; and resign to being never good enough, and become the permanent, delusional bad guy, for real. "If you all hate me, then I WILL become hate able, and only seek kindness from people who deserve my kindness." All internal struggle of a narcisistically defensive person. It's hard to be open to believing that others aren't disrespectful of you, but keep trying and you will succeed and then keep succeeding.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

​@@adhdself-love In fact my question was about your mention of our suffering as NPD. What did you mean by this 'inconsolable suffering' we allegedly have ? I didn't ask for another long self-righteous and self-serving victim litany..

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@adhdself-love And no, Dr Freud, you haven't figured it all out.

[@le_th_]

"I only use cocaine 2-3 times a month" "You're psychoanalyzing me" Threatens to have to find another therapist Justifies having unprotected sex with multiple partners because there is "a pill" Claims "You're homophobic" Claims trying to force "heteronormative" values on him by questioning random, anonymous hookups "You're like my old therapist" who couldn't deal when things got intense "You keep laughing at me." "You're frustrated with me as I am calm now, so how do I know you won't be frustrated when you see all my emotions???" "I'm supposed to make YOU not frustrated with me???" ...and this is only 20 minutes...

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

So, your honor? Guilty I guess? The thing is, why is he acting this way. What is he trying to do and why?

[@pope1089]

Big child. Waste of time talking to them. The mental battles with them all the time that they think your in with them. Exhausting

[@pope1089]

​@@ThreetwoOne-wu7yeto win

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@pope1089 why are you here?

[@pope1089]

@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye how insulting, quite narcistic really. I problem know more on the subject than you after you going to college for years. Molla head

[@beadbrainjewelry8666]

Dr Yeomans you are a wonderful human being. You are Patient and kind and understanding, yet firm with the expectations of what is needed to make the sessions successful. Despite the attacks on you by the client your love for people transcends the situation. Masterfully done❤

[@psyflix4325]

An expert from whom we can learn a lot! Thank you for watching!

[@scottbailey7150]

Great to See You again Dr Yeomans The Way You Articulate personality disorders is compelling

[@psyflix4325]

Thank you so much! You can find the entire series on Psyflix, as well as a Masterclass given by Dr. Yeomans.

[@accordionSWE]

Brilliant! Thank you for posting this lecture by Dr. Frank Yeomans. This is really good content.

[@psyflix4325]

Glad it was helpful!

[@breannaswagerty7075]

I can sense this therapist's frustration and that would make me uncomfortable as a client as well.

[@adhdself-love]

Yup. I second this.

[@vellytyre5658]

who cares, the dr is still human he is allowed to react. thats the problem with ppl w/personality disorders, ITS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!

[@cybergypsies]

One is not undergoing therapy in order to feel comfortable... yes, the therapist is a human being, and he actually is doing well in terms of self-control, in front of so much verbal and energetic aggression. What matters for the client is the outcome of the therapy. From a transpersonal perspective, here the therapist is facing the spirit of cocaine, one of the most terrible vectors of darkness in our corrupted western society. He might not be fully aware of the spiritual dimension of his work. Existence is complex! ;)

[@sallyann985]

​​@@vellytyre5658 if you're a therapist you're indeed advised not to cave to your human weaknesses and react the way most other people would in a peer-to-peer relationship. Take a chill pill.

[@sallyann985]

​​@@cybergypsies lots of nonsense to put together into just one comment... 🙄

[@cinexeon]

This is very un cometa el to watch. But it is very courageous for you to post with integrity and honesty. Because this is what therapy is like is real life sometimes. Thank you for willing to take the risk. ❤

[@psyflix4325]

Thank you for watching! Indie is a talented actor and Dr. Yeomans is as always a wonderful therapist.

[@deadprivacy]

blimey...this guy is a kitten in comparison to the 4 narcs in my family...they would never attend therapy in the first place though...

[@goblinsRule]

Same here, luckily I saw this video, it absolutely resonated with my wife, and her relatives and my parents, it's always other's fault, and they have to change on their terms and show results

[@nadaarif5399]

“I feel like you’re psychoanalyzing me”……well…says Dr. Yeomans 😂….funny, but not funny; unfortunate nature of the disorder, lots of defensiveness. To all the therapist who treat these patients, God bless you all! The amount of dedication, patience, and empathy it takes is incredible.

[@CB19087]

This is giving me anxiety 😅

[@TruthSaying]

Me too.

[@pope1089]

I'm here aren't I. I heard that one alot

[@teganflyman5352]

This is great. So good. Both here are incredible.

[@MicheleLHarvey]

Oh dear...the word oppositional comes to mind as well as the body language speaking volumes.

[@L4LA0412]

I encountered some people like this. 😂 some you can see through right away, some it's hidden until you close enough that you can see their true nature. I really amaze with therapists who able handle them while maintaining their own sanity 😂

[@enatp6448]

That is hard to watch! Yes it's a tough client but I think there are points where this therapist could have been a lot more skilled at managing the alliance. Feels like it was going in the opposite direction of that.

[@uroboroh]

Exactly my thoughts. As a patient I would not be ready to open up to a person who is this detached and doesn't empatize. Even if the therapist is not explicitly judgemental, it feels like he is implicitly judgemental. He has this "I am OK you are not OK" attitude typical of psychiatrists working in closed psychiatric wards.

[@wenxu7484]

This looks more like a first session for setting up how therapy look like for them. Please double check the description.

[@ravingredpanda]

Holy shit, I just saw my ex sitting in that chair... You are so expertly diffusing every single escalation attempt he uses, I am in awe.

[@pkozielski58]

looking at this I have this feeling that one of the mostly needed therapist virtue to work on patiency. Like the level of patiency shown by the therapist is unbelievable .

[@yifatcarmi3380]

This was amazing!

[@psyflix4325]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@germanarovinelli5973]

So grateful to be on the other side of Narcissistic Abuse Syndrome. I THANK MY THERAPIST for telling me that I had been viscously narcissistically abused and didn’t know it…. Get away from these people and get a life worth living

[@davidemm829]

Oppositional, glib, the therapists ideals are taken as a conflict

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

Hi, interested, can you develop? (NPD who knows quite a bit).

[@alchemicalsoul]

This is why worksheets are helpful because they allow the person to draw conclusions on their own. General talk is contentious to the person. I allow the worksheet or the activity to evoke their emotions. They are much less resistant.

[@RippleDrop.]

Isn't a therapist supposed to psychoanalyse their patient and offer that to the patient?

[@sugarsnap1000]

The ‘patient’ is twisting the doctors narrative to fit into his world view. I think he wants the doctor to understand him and to affirm him rather than, him understanding the doctor and taking his lead. He’s displaying manipulative tactics used by addicts too. He’s lost in his own mind/personality. It’ll take some time to break that down. I think some people aren’t suited to therapy but go through the motions.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

Yeah but what does 'the patient' gain? Addcîcts want something? Real questions (altough ABout boing through the motions: not bad but you wouldn't know why, neither does that guy while I do know. Because I 'went through the motions'.

[@sugarsnap1000]

@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye so tell me I’m interested to understand

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@sugarsnap1000 Okay but first share what you had in mind. Why would the patient do that?

[@sugarsnap1000]

@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye deep down they know the therapist can’t help, in some cases it may be too conceptual & strong willed people or addicts are set in their ways and views. Another aspect is they would become bored attending and or not fully grasp what the doctors trying to achieve, find his narrative useless and without proper structure just not bother. The doctor is giving patient chance to cooperate and choose how the sessions will work, but maybe this approach is the wrong one. Going through the motions might be, a partner, parent, authority etc. encouraging person to attend. Therefore person going through process as required.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

​@@sugarsnap1000 i realize that I would have to write a whole book to answer this question. Ok about the patient twisting...thing: We only know what we know and we can't really seize other ways. We think we know better but that's just because that's how we built ourselves. Also contradicting the shrink is often an effort. Daring to say how it is for us (don't have the energy to expand). About going through the motion: you are right and about the conceptual thing as well. We are not in command and shrinks talk to us as if we were. The patient is a child. He hasn't grown an internal parent because he used self-hatred as a means to have the illustion to stay in control, to win over life. So, we are children emotionally. We are unrooted. We see others who seem to have their life in hand but we feel that we are missing a part and can never achieve that. This is what Yeomans fails to grasp. Same with Diamond. Very early on, we have sent a false self into the world to do the job of living. Since life was against us (which we had decided after experiencing great fear as babies - again making life events about you is actually reassuring). So life being against us, we sent someone else. That someone else was us BUT we distrusted that other self that played by the rules. That other selfy was a traitor. This is what the ambivalance is about in vulnerable NPD (in grandiose NPD the identification to the false self succeeds). So when Yeomans speaks to that guy about adult stuff, the patient feels indeed that he can never achiev all that. It is actually unfair to ask him to expect maturity from him. It's unconscious. We just try to do what we can. We are not lying or anything. It's the only way we know. We know the concept of 'adult' and do our best. People say we are not accountable for our 'bad' deeds. Yes sometimes, because we see that thing that is ourself a traitor. And we feel we deserve some compensation from the awful bullying we exert on ourselves all day long (we don't know anything else). That bully made the integration and growth of a gentle, containing and yet firm parent impossible. We have no self-soothing abilities Also, whatever wonderful things we may achieve, it wasn't us, but that thingll. And therapy makes us even more guilty. This is why I wished Yeomans and co. would understand that they are not addressing an adult, but a child that distrusts the person out there in therapy. It is not that clear cut. But that's the idea. Healing means growing up. It is an organic process. This is why telling someone they are narcissist and expecting them to change their 'bad behavior' is stupid. Behaviors come from someone. I don't have time to talk about other forms of resistance which in fact are the same as in the couple. Which people call NPD abuse. So when I hear Yeomans comment on the coke and so oon, what I feel he misses is the whole ambivalence. The false self (who is the true self, we are not psychopath) plots against this adult world and against the shrink... Transgression, turning agains the self, all of this is part of the construct. And we don't understand a damn thing. I rejected my husband, had contempt for him trying to connect and rejected him a lot because (as it turned out), he wasn't smiley (like my mum, and smiles are vital to a baby). I didn't get bored in therapy but did feel like it didn't help. My shrink was a good one but still, there were misunderstandings that put me off,. It didn't work out. He remained someone I sort of feared or couldn't trust me although he was a good shrink. I was resentful. He would congratulate me for being collaborative when I didn't feel I was. I felt he WANTED me to get better for his own sake. I don't.know. I felt like he really left me alone with my load, pretending it didn't exist, namely the fact that I was a child. For example: He once said the best for me would be to love my husband the way he was. I felt totally hopeless. I wanted to.but believed it was totally impossible. How could my shrink not know by the time?? My husband had to be strong. I coudn't see anything appealling in loving him as a whole person, with his flaws. Now I do, but it took very very long... Now, I can see the beauty of loving someone with their flaws. But you have to be an adult to see that. I feel like Shrinks somehow overlook this. I don't have the answer but I feel that this 'false self' resented as a traitor by the inner child is crucial and should be addressed. I have a friend who did a group therapy which really used the body. People would litterally be lying by two, one on the other. It worked on the emotions. These 2 friends had similar problems to me and said it saved their life. they are doing very welll. PDs are rooted in babyhood. The solution is in the body in my sense. IMAO.. Hope that helped Exhausted

[@JObhihosoho]

That was so interesting. Wow!

[@marilyndawson-mccarthy4136]

This therapist has set it up that the therapist is having to explain and “sell” the patient on therapy. These two should just start therapy!

[@defreshh9961]

What?

[@everett8610]

And you CHOSE this profession

[@andriyandriychuk]

Yeomans is world class

[@michaelobrien8661]

Exhausting.

[@lorenzrosenthal119]

Both handled themselves very well! Kudos to both of them! It seemed very authentic! Wow! Needed to read the description to find out the patient is an actor.

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

This was excellent.

[@mikechisha8654]

I'm shocked that this disorder is real. So much like my wife. She defends everything...justifies everything....blames me for everything....knows everything....loves to control everything...and unfortunately is so gloomy all the time

[@uroboroh]

As a patient I would not be ready to open up to a person who is this detached. Somehow the communication is very much "in the head", I do not feel heart. Even if the therapist is not explicitly judgemental, it feels like he is implicitly judgemental. He has this "I am OK you are not OK" attitude typical of psychiatrists working in closed psychiatric wards.

[@Richard-n2w1g]

He's judging the therapist for psychoanalyzing him. But that's the entire purpose of it. To figure out what makes the person's mind tick. If you take a person's words at face value, that's how you become manipulated. If you really want to know why a person does what they do, you have to be able to understand how their mind works. The definition of why you would psychoanalyze someone. His feeling of judgement and criticism is probably a strong indicator of having a personality disorder. Even when it's just pointing out obvious observations in how he conducts himself and interacts with the world around him

[@michaelobrien8661]

Interesting that this person agreed to be filmed this way.

[@Frizfraz-m8y]

Guy doesn’t want to be in therapy and won’t do the work. Cut him loose.

[@psyflix4325]

Thank you for your comment. To get more context of these therapy sessions, we invite you to visit Psyflix! 😊 - Indie is also an actor who plays his role very well :-)

[@le_th_]

@@psyflix4325 If he's an actor and *not* a narcissist, he deserves an award. Seriously. That is very well acted, and very accurate. Kudos to him.

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

I am a vulnerable NPD. You are right in a sense but you wouldn't be able to explain why he is reluctant or unmmotivated. As an NPD who has pprogressed enough to understand exactly what is going on while you don't. What work?

[@GuyVinmara]

Does anyone else agree...that was exhausting to watch.

[@GeorgeQuinton]

Obviously, I don't know what had happened before that exact session but am I the only person that felt that although the patient was quite rude about it, he was right that the doctor had jumped all too easily into labelling his substance use and sex behaviours as problematic? I think it's quite hard to establish a productive client-therapist relationship when the latter takes such a strong stance and puts his promiscuity in opposition to having fulfilling emotional connections so easily. Moreover, when Dr Yeomans admits that he's frustrated with the client, wouldn't it be helpful to assure him at the same time that it's therapist's own emotions, not an objective judgement of the situation and it's more about the way the patient has worded his disagreement than the fact that he disagrees itself?

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@GeorgeQuinton Titally.

[@creadorcontenido6970]

Lol a pain in the ass... great doctor

[@andriyandriychuk]

Being a therapist is so tough.

[@inge5264]

Its like the conversations I have with my boyfriend. And then its: i am just asking and i am trying to understand. Thats just how I am. Grrrrr

[@martin-fc4kk]

You should say in the TITLE that the guy is an actor.

[@trevorleake2010]

Or just make that wig visible in the thumbnail

[@Starstorm111]

I would personally say, the therapist body lenguage ( I admire this man and his work btw ) but his body posture from what I’ve been studying is a posture that speaks superiority.. I’m not sure if I’m an unconscious level it’s sending some message if I’m better than you or superior in position in this situation… which I guess could be triggering for a person with narcissism on an unconscious level and not help to establish a connection. I’m taking into account also, this is a simulation but just my view..

[@marvinedwards3130]

Was this real session or role play ?

[@alexmarques2398]

Role play

[@PaletaLee]

My problem is that wig. It's triggering my adhd like I can't hear anything anymore. I'd 100% mock him all along. 😅

[@graemesutton2919]

Kudos to the psychologist. Even though I can see the projections through theslabnted accusations , I found it triggering and frustrating to watch.

[@marshall3759]

"I'll take that into account" sent me😂

[@Indie_Art]

Such an interesting video. Also, who of the participants is narcissistic? The patient, or the therapist with pretty much all the narcissistic traits showed up in 15 mins time. Arogance, entitelment, covert control and psychological manipulation tactics. Very strange, as the patient (if that's the one with narcissistic disorder) seems collected, sincere although defensive, but quite righteously.. This video put an interesting perspective about a topic.

[@OIVIFG]

Do you have shit for brains? The narcissistic patient refuses to acknowledge Anything theyre doing is wrong and the very non-narcissistic therapist is trying to hold his shit together with all his strength to not just slap this entitled man-child. I think you dont actually have shit for brains, I think its a lack of understanding what exactly NPD is. "WHEN WILL U CURE ME, DOC!!?" haha

[@XanRants]

Yo, patient is 100% spot on, cis-hets don’t understand drugs social connection in the Queer community. I applaud their bravery!!

[@healthyforpurpose1898]

The therapist could have been a little empathic

[@tmrsfitz1967]

Blame blame blame 😮never ending story

[@le_th_]

Blame shifting table turning deflecting obfuscating finger pointing gaslighting lying overtly lying covertly partial truth telling lying by omission ...and it never ends It's like he's a child playing Whack-A-Mole and Yeoman is the mole popping up to say, well let's look at this and *BONK* he smashed the mallet on his head.

[@brandonmcalpin9228]

This is why Kohut created Self Psychology 😂 You have to listen empathically and not criticize them or tell them what to do. Listen, ask questions and very, very subtly Incept the idea of what should be done so they believe it’s their idea. I don’t see this type of therapy working. I’m getting hyper-vigilant and defensive for him. This is a devaluation trigger waiting to happen. I value Frank’s wisdom. I read his material all the time, I just can’t imagine sitting through a session of his. Phew. I’d go into competition mode real quick

[@Star-dj1kw]

✅ fascinating

[@notaclue822]

Being a shrink is obviously very hard work. You can see that most people with NPD wouldn't even go for therapy. Theyre so defended.

[@sallyanne5492]

‘Click on’ “more” above to read the video description. The video is a depiction and the ‘patient’ is an actor.

[@lenadiveeva586]

Indi Nile jou are playing narcissist?

[@MJHW-st7dt]

"I'm right you're wrong" - the same answer to every question

[@mackamacmillan5875]

Super frustrating!! No insight whatsoever!! I don't know how they do it! The defense mechanisms galore!😂

[@fihtah8243]

narcissists in the comments getting triggered by the way how dr.yeoman's handling this session. they'd pick a fight over the sky's shade of blue. they dont need therapy but jumper cables and a car battery.

[@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881]

Hmm, any analysts here who have a good reading on whether (low doses of) psychedelics can be a useful adjunct for this type therapy? Only a patient, but my gut says yes. imho the polar opposite of co*aine, which I despise as destructive despite or because of my NPD ;-) Different topic - looking at this, I'm thinking my therapeutic progress is slow, caus I'm too unwilling to project my negative feelings at my therapist. Damnit.

[@tazerdemt7354]

I got angry by just watchinh it😅

[@tegannottelling]

“Something wrong with me” …. Yes there is something wrong with you ( as with absolutely everyone) the issue with that is you see that as the worst most horrible thing. But A, you are not alone having flaws, B you are here working on it with me ( therapist ) therefore it’s a problem we can overcome This would be an approach the Narcissist could possibly allow in, otherwise you are just reinforcing the horrible fear they can’t or won’t look at within themselves that they are broken and nothing. The Narcissist is actually doing his best right now to work with the therapist but wants to work around speaking openly because he has been on guard against that his entire life in case he reveals how broken and nothing he is. It’s a horrible catch 22 for him in his mind. Trying to reassure him that won’t be the case and will just make him human is a very hard task I don’t envy of the therapist’s.

[@Willowtree53]

What is this man's prognosis? I don't see this client motivated to change.

[@BiomedicalDesigns]

Very arrested development. Plumpy baby, teenager vibe combined. Avoidance of emptiness leading to self-pleasuring - probably food, admits to drugs on occasion and sex with multiple partners. Getting to his core beliefs, leading to his feelings and actions would help this person IMO. I would recommend hypnotherapy. He has to come to the determination.

[@adrianfeeger]

it's an actor.. omg

[@onlyonce1707]

The therapist is speaking too much really. Maybe because it's being filmed. The patient needs some space to get into it and start talking.

[@Honey-Flower]

jees, why does a karakter like him wants a therapy if he has to be sold on the idea to learn about himself...??

[@bluedragon7925]

The patient either doesn't want to change or only do so on his own terms, which can never work. Everyone else is to blame, apparently.

[@nodozhit]

I think the guy asked fair questions, especially his first one here. And overall, he showed up and was present in his cause to get a therapist that gets him. We shouldn't judge either person because they both gave us perfect examples of being vulnerable- which is not a textbook blueprint because we all have our differences and some kind of vice. My psychotherapist says narcissism is on a spectrum which ranges from mild to moderate to severe. And it's believed that most severely narcissistic people don't actively seek out treatment.

[@Freedomforvera]

Is it ok the way Dr Yeomans is sitting in the therapy room? Maybe it is a cultural thing, but it does not feel right for me. It feels like he is not open and approachable. ( and can you not criticize a therapists? Have you never heard about extremely wrong therapy experiences?)

[@writer2804]

Agree. His body language radiates 'defensiveness', and yet, he urges the client to open up...

[@joannemckay6631]

This bloke will be going to therapy for the rest of his life?...hes closed off and wants his own way

[@nandutzu]

You probably got to this video by accident or chance. If you're interested, read a little bit about narcissism, NPD. These are traumatized people, but, nonetheless, human beings.

[@priscillagrrr4405]

The wig is killing me

[@ENDWOKEDEGENERACY]

“I feel like you’re psychoanalysing me”. 😂 What did you pay him for mate?

[@edgreen8140]

Minimization, defelection, starting to get angry at frank and that will happen. Denial attempting to use projective identification and devaluation of frank. Minimization of harming others. Blameshifting will take a long time to reduce maybe. Nice splitting of therapist is bad frank may be bad. He may never reach all this stuff he projects he owns.patient is bodering on you trying to control everyting and ask for a warantee

[@naynay680]

really though one, ı mean the narcissictic one ! it goes on and on and on.. seems to abuse million times

[@Gregoryismnz]

Trying to build barriers every sentence...

[@BaldTV]

this doctor is 100% npd , full blown npd

[@marcinm9102]

It's a material what if psychologist is a narcissist

[@angelicacroitoru4946]

I had a weird feeling couple years ago in one of the first sessions with a psycologist. I was talking about my background, my mother's mental issues, how was my living back then in my native country, while living abroad now. Suddenly she interrupts me asking :"Why are you ,Romanian people think that you are God ? I freezzed in that moment, and I got home feeling a mess Also ,as I was there for severe anxiety and depresión and I worried about neglecting my daughter, she told me I should ask my 14 years daughter to cook and to clean the house as she had to do It in her youth. I know I was in a very bad place mentaly, but still to this day I cannot come to a sense of this experience.

[@baysideharpy8350]

Is wearing a terrible wig a sign of narcissism too?

[@OIVIFG]

I have to take breaks to watch this video, thats how cringe it is. Very informative though, never saw a live session. *scratches eyeballs out*

[@AbsoluteValue1]

Why is this cringe?

[@francoisdupouy6956]

Run away

[@MichNative01]

This guy doesn't want help, he is countering everything the therapist is suggesting. Why is he on this video?? I'm glad I'm not working g on this guy.

[@juliettailor1616]

This isn't a real client is it? Because if it is 1) Dr Yeoman is a saint and 2) there are some people not worth trying to save...

[@PeterShaw-ne1yq]

Your getting there😉

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

I was worse!!

[@mooninaries4397]

What a rude comment. You’re talking about a person!

[@mielenalkemiaa]

​@@ThreetwoOne-wu7yedid you get better?

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

@@mielenalkemiaa Not too well these days. Thank you for asking.

[@naturandmor]

Narcissism can not be healed. Sorry for that😐

[@therealNPD]

This comment is toxic. 🙃

[@naturandmor]

@@therealNPD not, but the replay to it.

[@travelbug4536]

Flaming narcissist.

[@WTFlux-lh2tf]

BRINGING up climate change was an utter fail. FAR too many scientists and experts claiming it's FALSE to in ANY way caste light on a certain truth. So POLITICAL and THOROUGHLY unnecessary!

[@sirrantsalott]

Nice toupee 😂

[@mathews0618]

Waste of time

[@rhomboman]

Therapist really needs nerves of steel for this.

[@DianeMatlock]

Eva Gabor wants her wig back😂. He must be losing his hair🤯... Oh the VANITY, IF I HIDE IT THEY WON'T SEE THE UGLY ME...( BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP, UGLINESS, COMES STRAIGHT FROM YOUR CORE). LIFE IS AN INSIDE JOB...🤔🫣