Negative Time OBSERVED: Scientists Discovered That Time Can Go Backwards

[@Fresh-Gradens]

Merry Christmas everyone

[@catwesk]

@@Fresh-Gradens Merry Christmas 🎄

[@lilphoneforever]

Merry Christmas ❤🎄

[@theorigonalb.a]

I agree with Sabine. Calling it negative time without it being time travel is misinformation

[@pandoraeeris7860]

The only time I've ever agreed with anything she's said.

[@noway8233]

She is very good 😅

[@tombuilder1475]

that lady is a youtuber and not an actual practicing scientist or academia. she is selling her ideas. not exactly doing science. cultivating anti-establishment for the audience it brings in the anti-science trump era. not rocket science her credibility!

[@istrumguitars]

It’s an AI channel, what do you expect.

[@jimmythebold589]

@@istrumguitars god i hate these ai channels

[@ShaggyOldDad]

I have the answer to this. It sounds crazy. What is going on is that TIME DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, not as a plane or dimension ilnir actual construct of the universe. It only exists within the parameters of the perception of a conscious being as a way of observing and separating individual actions into a linear and logical format so as to create causality. IE, we, as living conscious sentient, sapient beings, composed OF ENERGY, at any random point in time, to perceive oneself and ones surroundings, one must stop the waveforms of all energy into a single focused moment and observe. We do this an infinite (unguessable is a better word, but mathematics supports the former) number of times per moment per day, etc... But I posit that our perception of time as a thing that exists is a fragment of hallucination, a way of making sense of things in a manner that is conceivable. To a being that is immortal but had chosen to relegate itself into rules of the game of mortality, it seems to be a linear progression. The truth is is that all things have, will, and are happening now, all at once overlapped. And swirled in a blender into a foam. Everything is now. Claim the now. I lost my focus now. I'll be back. Charles Trumble. My original though. I'm new. Check me out. Thanks n hoping spark a lively thought debate. I will explain further my thoughts to the end of my comprehension and hopefully some of you can continue on past my limitations and break the barriers of comprehension. God Bless You All.

[@johnlee-master6916]

@@ShaggyOldDad Bit of a non-dualist then?

[@MountbattenMusicVideos]

The decay of matter takes time, and while time is subjectively relative, it exists out of necessity, because without time the universe would be nothing but a three-dimensional, rigid, immobile block in the void where nothing happens. If you could attach messages to the photons that travel backwards in time so that you can intercept and read them in the past, that would be an achievement.

[@MadersPie]

You had me up until god bless you all

[@JTSA1234]

@@ShaggyOldDad Metaphysics. I agree.

[@deandeann1541]

@@MadersPie It's Christmas morning. This must be a particularly rough day for you.

[@Sho-ryu-kame]

When you use terminology that is exclusively based on Relativity to describe quantum systems, you're going to get people confused. Quantum systems don't operate under GR physics, as you later say. Quantum systems don't break causality. They're part of causality. We simply don't know how because quantum physics is still unsolved.

[@jeffreyluciana8711]

This is bad news for people in prison

[@xyzxyzxyzxyz636]

😂

[@Old299dfk]

@@jeffreyluciana8711 some people like prison

[@deandeann1541]

I actually would enjoy being released from prison before I entered. It would save a lot of time.

[@EricRandall-ko2xn]

Sorry to burst your bubble guys but Sabine is correct. This literally has nothing to do with the passage of time and everything to do with the phase shift in photons

[@deandeann1541]

This video really failed by not mentioning the fact it is a phase shift phenomena. Because of that it is entirely misleading.

[@rezadaneshi]

If the photon emitted from an excited electron jumping to the lower electron orbit, left the atom prior to the same photon arriving and exciting the same electron to higher energy orbit, that would be an example of a photon experiencing negative time. This is not that. This is proof that there is no quantum gravity because Time is not quantized.

[@Zbezt]

Kinda hard to justify that claim since time is a constant transformation process too suggest quantum gravity doesnt exist would mean that orbit follows a linear path quantum entanglement suggests otherwise since one informs the other briefly before collapsing into a altered state regardless of distance especially across vast distances in a manner of speaking you can have multiple pairs of entanglement across multiple systems on a universal scale meaning more then 2 electrons can behave synchronically even if their not observed directly indicating a fluctuation in the unobserved cases causing this collapse logically speaking anyway

[@rezadaneshi]

In any case, until we have a model of the universe that is valid and experimentally testable at that regime, we can only speculate. As it is, we don't have such a model. In the current theory of accepted quantum mechanics, time is a continuous parameter. It enters into the equations thus: H | ψ ( t ) ⟩ = i ℏ ∂ ∂ t | ψ ( t ) ⟩ where H is the Hamiltonian, and | ψ ( t ) ⟩ is the state of the system at time t.

[@leonhardtkristensen4093]

@@rezadaneshi My opinion is that time is continues. However I have a different view on time keeping. I believe that time keeping for something like an electron is an internal electric oscillation. Any such oscillation would slow down if the electron moves to the degree that time keeping for this electron will stop it it should reach the speed of light. It would keep going in the speed direction and oscillation there fore stopped. In regards to negative time then I do not believe it to be possible. That a photon leaves an atom before there is another photon coming is not such a big problem. I believe that to more or less be the case with laser cooling. All that has to be the case is that the before and after amount of energy has to be the same. Heat photons are leaving atoms all the time until the atom has the same heat energy as the surrounding atoms.

[@rezadaneshi]

@@leonhardtkristensen4093 I have a different reason to agree. Only a continuous time can tunnel its way through perfect symmetry stage of space and Big Bang where a quantized time would vanish by equally spreading it's essence across the perfect symmetry stage of any cycle of any universe and that universe won't happen.

[@GuardianOfUltima]

Government policies been going in the wrong direction for a long time too

[@xyzxyzxyzxyz636]

😂

[@kitcarlson6033]

Yes, less government, more we the people.

[@charliepearce8767]

If you want to experience time running in reverse, make an appointment at any Dr surgery. You'll be in the waiting room on time, but in reality, time is going backwards...

[@stevek3968]

You're British, right? I assume a doctor's "surgery" is a doctor's office? A term not used in Canada (where I am) or in America. I love language :)

[@charliepearce8767]

@stevek3968 Yes. A Dr's waiting room to be precise. Time slows, stops, and then goes backwards . It's amazing.

[@dansigmon1559]

No matter where you go, there you are.

[@6ThaPsycho]

Nice, I like it. Here something I thought of this one day when I was high, According to me, you are over "there" and I am over "here". But according to you, I am over "there" and you are over "here". ...We are both Here and There at the same time.

[@6ThaPsycho]

The way I see it we are both HERE and THERE at the same time. To an observer, you are "THERE' but to you, you are "Here"... How can u be HERE AND THERE? Oh shit, wait.... Or does it mean We Are Neither Here Nor There , Or It could it be e that over "There" doesn't exist. Because as soon as we go over "there" it becomes over "here" 🤯🤯🤯 WHERE AM I?

[@gregoryallen0001]

i disagree.. just.. someone has to do it

[@skpjoecoursegold366]

I'm negative about "negative time".

[@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591]

It's not negative time at all, it's just that the bow shock of a photon is ahead of the photon, so the rebound effect of a photon skips ahead of its wake.

[@deusdat]

Fun fact: at the time of the paper publication, the experiment hadn't yet been performed.

[@yg996bb9ct7]

Is this negative time similar to anti-time ?

[@afshinmollaali]

wave function witch compute probability of exist in various state in same "time" is base of all bizarreness in quantum realm if we want achieve progress we have to rewrite it without time parameter or replace it with negative time just imagine a photon movement is like clude in time axis then we need not wave function

[@a.m.7438]

The article that discussed this is of an experiment that has not been peer reviewed yet.

[@LesKern]

And errors will be found.

[@jnhrtmn]

You cannot use the word causality in modern science, because math does not dictate cause, only analogies. A child is following the scientific method with: "The wheels on the bus go round and round." This song accurately and consistently describes everything you see a bus do exactly like math, but the child does not understand the bus, because wheels going round are NOT causal. The variables in gravity math are exactly like the wheels on the bus, they are NOT causal. You can't show me dimensions 1 or 2 in any real sense, and time is remember and anticipate in the brain. The only theory you've ever known changes these fictional dimensions to CREATE your theory right under your nose ON PAPER! Constant light per observer was declared, NEVER observed. The relative-to-observer concept is the same narcissism that made the observer the center of the Universe. It falls apart if you stop following and question it even a little. Using statistical math looks enticing I admit, but it is still using math to describe something that you don't understand yet. You should understand it first. Look at my gyro explanation.

[@Magneticitist]

The wheels cause the bus to move in the direction the wheels are 'going round'. 🤷‍♂

[@jnhrtmn]

@@Magneticitist You're almost there, but I bet it don't explain why buses don't run on weekends. That's where Quantum Mechanics comes in.

[@Magneticitist]

@@jnhrtmn What does deciding not to drive a bus on weekends have to do with quantum mechanics?

[@jnhrtmn]

@@Magneticitist This can still be a child, but originally I used aliens observing from far far away. Buses being observed 5 out of 7 days is a quantum behavior that finds a statistical treatment that they call a wave function. It's ground breaking science according to them, so they hastily publish a paper about it, and that becomes a hopelessly persistent paradigm that is never broken. They never understand the bus, but they can certainly describe what they see it doing.

[@JayS.-mm3qr]

On the contrary, I think people aren't seeing _enough_ of themselves in the equation. We are not separate from that which we observe. But as you say, we can only see things from the level we are at. It is not a flaw of science or egocentrism. We see things from our perspective because that is how we are wired to. Does not mean the universe is incomprehensible, nor that we are being narcissistic aboot it, pardon my Canadian accent. However, if people saw themselves in the equations they meddle with, they may find what they are looking for.

[@Lance-lightning]

Sure sounds like phase shift to me but if time is actually reversing then entropy should as well.

[@rwesenberg]

Time is an ordering of events. Cause and effect is an assumption or rule we use to make sense of events in our world. It is not a law (can not be violated) but an assumption. When we see an effect we often assume cause when we have no way of knowing the cause or even if there is a cause.

[@jainalabdin4923]

My intuitions on 4D vibrations for both positive/ negative in X, Y, Z and Time (spacetime) coordinates tells me this should be more apparent, rather than just positive for Time, but we are used to wavefunctions evolving in positive Time. The Arrow of Time after the wavefunction collapses gives us the classical world we see. Pre-wavefunction collapse, Time has a more significant +/- component than post-wavefunction collapse. And extreme gravitational environments like that of the centre of a Black Hole would also make the +/- component of Time more apparent, such that a singularity being avoided at the centre of a black hole by the negative component of Time; avoiding all 4D coordinates being at a point. Can lead to unifying Quantum and General Relativity theories...

[@theorigonalb.a]

it's about time they did this ;)

[@syntaxerror9994]

Does time even exist at the quantum level? Is observing the phenomenon like taking a picture of a moving object but an object that moves in all directions at once because time doesnt exsist for it?

[@calvingrondahl1011]

If we are a simulation then the past can go forward without the present going back.

[@Zbezt]

Negative time is intrinsic too quantum tunneling this should be basic understanding

[@Jsouthwick]

I think its crazy that particles have a basically enternal lifespan

[@MadersPie]

They don’t. They phase into and out of existence.

[@Sho-ryu-kame]

Here's a fun fact about causality. If something from the future were to get to the past, then that something would show up first. Not only that, but anything anyone does or doesn't do about it will be part of the causal chain that leads to that event. 💀 No matter how many times you rewind the video, you get the same actors doing the same scenes. There's no anything could happen. Things happen be-cause of causality.

[@Magneticitist]

If they are observing time going backwards then it's obviously not going backwards is it?

[@MountbattenMusicVideos]

Not a new discovery. Between 1983 and 1987, physics lecturers at the Technical High School in Emmendingen once told me that experiments in the KEK particle accelerator in Japan indicated that some of the particles bombarded for observed collisons, travel from the future into the past, as could be clearly seen from the permanent recordings when reading those back, because for example today the particle bombarded was still in a place where it was no longer yesterday and yesterday it finally arrived at another point in its journey backwards through time, around the day before yesterday it arrived at a point ... and so on...

[@Mudflap1110]

Time is an illusion. It's a fallacy invented by humans. I just now wrote this! Oh BTW, 42 is the answer you were looking for😅

[@Carmen-k1u7e]

Hey Brave LEO, how does this relate to Maxwell's description of retrocausality? LEO answer: "Maxwell retrocausality is a concept that arises from the study of electromagnetic waves and the work of James Clerk Maxwell. In his equations, Maxwell described the behavior of electromagnetic waves, including the possibility of “advanced” waves that travel backward in time. This idea was first proposed by John Archibald Wheeler and Richard Feynman in the 1940s as part of their Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory. In this theory, the advanced wave is a solution to Maxwell’s equations that represents a wave that travels backward in time, from the absorber (a charged particle) to the source (another charged particle). The advanced wave is accompanied by a “retarded” wave that travels forward in time, from the source to the absorber. The Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory was an attempt to resolve the infinite self-energy problem in classical electromagnetism, where a charged particle would experience an infinite force due to its own electromagnetic field. By introducing the advanced wave, the theory allowed for a finite energy solution. However, the idea of Maxwell retrocausality was later criticized for its apparent violation of causality. Causality, in the context of physics, refers to the notion that causes precede their effects in time. The advanced wave, traveling backward in time, seemed to reverse this causality. Despite these criticisms, the concept of Maxwell retrocausality has been revisited in recent years, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and quantum field theory. Some theories, such as the transactional interpretation, have attempted to revive the idea of advanced waves and retrocausality as a way to explain quantum phenomena, such as entanglement and non-locality. In summary, Maxwell retrocausality refers to the idea of advanced electromagnetic waves that travel backward in time, as proposed by Wheeler and Feynman in the context of classical electromagnetism. While initially criticized for violating causality, the concept has been revisited in modern theories, including quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, as a potential explanation for certain quantum phenomena."

[@WillBurns]

Time does not move backwards. Nor does it move forwards. It exists as a consequence of parallel worlds whereby all possibilities exist simultaneously and we move through infinite points in a linear fashion. To "move backward" in time is akin to looking over your shoulder cosmically. Those points were always there, as were every conceivable variation. Whether we were looking at them or not.

[@xyzxyzxyzxyz636]

The photons were measured (detected ) at the emission from the atoms cloud, first and then at the absorption, because of quantum mechanics that nobody understands yet. It's called "Perpetual Motion", or "Perpetum Mobile", to be politically correct; more precise.

[@leonardgibney2997]

I've experienced one time shifting event. Some subatomic particles coming in from space reach Earth surface before they were created (by collision with the atmosphere).

[@trebell885]

Time is, in thru the out door?

[@HettieJansenVanVuuren]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mariusenigma1783]

Time is such a "weird" thing, it depends on so many parameters and observer. ... hmmm ... i quess it's just a continous present. TY

[@marksingleton7199]

This is possibilities which spread out and connect with other possibilities. When certain possibilities are connected, they can create what is seen. This the action of choosing a desired connection. This is like looking through a book of photos and focusing on one desired image. What you see you believe. Like choosing a thought over others.

[@johnsongibbs6567]

Reconciling Time with Quantum Mechanics seems to be the issue. How Time is viewed, remains the obstacle. I think of Time as Universal Motion. I do this to reconcile the idea in my own mind, independently. Our method of telling Time helps with this conclusion as a rotational velocity. I feel like Einstein did not go far enough. Time is dynamic and directly affected by motion, temperature. This concept seems vaguely explained at best.

[@ClaudioArgentoDesigns]

If this is true to a measurable amount, then what happens if the entering foton is purposely deviated or stopped from its path as soon as it exists the medium but BEFORE it enters this medium? Did we create matter, foton?

[@sparhawk5515]

So… photons were coming out before they were put in? Or is it that they went through faster than projected to? This video didn’t clarify.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

If space and time are intrinsically linked then shouldn't there be 3 temporal dimensions? I mean we do have 3 spatial dimensions so why only 1 temporal dimension? It could look like this: Spatial Temporal 1D line 4D length 2D width 5D breadth 3D height 6D depth Instead of 3D + 1D (4D spacetime) we could try 3D complexified which gives us 3 sets of 3 dimensions. We could have space, time and energy with planets as 3D matter and stars as 3D energy. 7D, 8D, 9D could be continuous, emmision and absorption. Since our subatomic structure has 2/3 heading one direction and 1/3 heading the other direction maybe 3D stars are heading the other direction as space and time?

[@DefenderX]

Time doesn't exist. You can just replace it with space and energy being transferred from one state to another. Moving one object from A to B expends X energy, the energy moves from one state in space to another state in another space.

[@paulbennett772]

If only this were true! I'm with Dr Sabine

[@RobertMcUSA]

I am not a quantum scientist. But if a photon is emitted before one is absorbed, then the atom would expend energy before it receives it. Where would this energy come from and what would the atom’s energy be “measured” at during this time (essentially just before the photon hits the atom, the “atom’s” energy would drop to produce the “second” photon which is emitted before the first one has hits. I thought information can’t be transmitted faster than the speed of light and the atom can’t have less energy than it does. ??.

[@paulmitchell5349]

Probability is confirmed after the FACT of the event. Things are not DETERMINED probabilistically, but by cause and effect

[@garylester3976]

Sabine is coming around, have heard her describe light speed as a barrier rather than a limit.. All barriers have something on the other side, and time dilation looks like latitude, light speed the Equator of time. The zero time line... 😊

[@mobiusx8117]

I wonder if this paper will ultimately just turn out to be another example of the replication crisis.

[@meditationsoundscapes5203]

is this Dr Who xmas gag??

[@HettieJansenVanVuuren]

I believe we can go back in time as it still exists in the past. It wont surprise me if the experiements they are conduction caused slight changes in the past bringing forth the Mandela Effect

[@davidbittner6022]

Today's yesterday past present and future are all before God . Which man does not comprehend

[@jimmythebold589]

nonsense

[@johndavis6338]

Perfect answer! The Psalms of God's Word record the movement of light. His Voice; His mind...his Spirit outside time and space. "In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God." "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1: 1, 2 God just said thousands of years ago what scientists have been attempting to understand for decades. Omnipresent.

[@rickpontificates3406]

I tried this technique at my bank. I tried to make a withdrawal before I made a deposit... sadly, they just laughed at me

[@bradb.4682]

If Sabine is skeptical, then I'm not buying these new claims.

[@rickstokes2239]

And yet we’re all older.

[@zeroonetime]

Infinity Squared ~ 010, potential of Infinite possibilities. Everything happens at 01nce ~ Switching Light and Dark. 00 Time, 01 Timing. Formation System, Creation iN Action. 010

[@rhcpmorley]

If you understand what Time is, you wouldn't say something so profoundly stupid as negative Time. Time merely references change. Change (e.g. motion) is real. Time is an abstract concept. Change may be reversible. But you can't reverse an abstract concept.

[@Brisleep1]

In the words at the end, floating around on screen, why was "sub zero refrigerator" in there?

[@alexcgreen]

Such a wonderfully executed presentation with superb narrative and graphics.

[@Anthony-v8q]

Two years get a lazer straight sounds like someone getting paid by the hour😂

[@JodyDymun-z7o]

Cher - will be glad to hear it.

[@WideCuriosity]

How does one identify a particular photon ? i.e how do you know the photon about to enter is the same photon you have already witnessed emerging from the other side ? (Besides, if time is an emergent illusion, maybe all you are seeing is an interaction in the reverse order to that which you'd normally expect.)

[@NewToronto]

Let's go back and confirm this.

[@freethepeople9075]

ive observed this. i have observed a causal superluminal effect in a laser experiment with time, causality, and observation in a loop. far out. quantum wave form collapse at present. I cant do higher math, but i do understand physical principals. more so than i should maybe.

[@dougbillman2333]

Time only exists here on ghia...

[@leonhardtkristensen4093]

In my opinion this video tells very little. It tells that a couple of researchers claim that they have proof of negative time but it doesn't tell much about how they come to that conclusion. It appears to me that they may claim that photons leave before they arrive. The so called photon is not just an amount of energy of light. It is also an amount of energy of radiated heat. Heat is radiated all the time from any atom or molecule that has a higher temperature than the surrounding molecules or atoms. All that is required is that the remaining energy and the radiated energy has the same value as the energy value before the occurrence. Light photons can be emitted using heat energy. So what could happen in this case is that a light photon (an energy amount with a frequency in the visible bandwidth) leaves an atom because the atom is too hot and then later gets heated again with a new so called photon. That is just sequential happenings in time.

[@apricotcomputers3943]

this is absolutely amazing 😊

[@braydancoe3390]

Rally?

[@learnwhispering]

Time & Intergalactic travel is easy. Just pop up to the 4th but preferably the 5th Dimension, then pop back down. Done. Tesla knew this hence the "project Rainbow" AKA the Philadelphia experiment - but they didn’t follow Tesla's advice and it caused a big problem. I’m unsure why this was not obvious to Einstien…

[@moxadurgin2508]

Quantum physics resides in Probabilities not in determination.

[@LoganE01]

I view it as dynamic (rolling) vs static (stuck).

[@BAROMETERONE]

Negative time....lol. Who suggested this? I hope this wasn't a conclusion from the scientists at the University.

[@gregoryallen0001]

SIDEWAYS TIME = watching this whole video

[@jimstark1810]

I call negative time bull.

[@perfectionbox]

well, if photons can behave like that, it could help provide free will

[@HettieJansenVanVuuren]

Jip! The one thing we are all born with 😉 dont need a machine for that just the Bible

[@dusankasivcevic4769]

The Eart is loosing daily 3 seconds of its time! If nothing would be done possiity is that one day will be one year long ! Ouch

[@adamrhome8055]

For one, photos due what ever they want & two stating this as time moving backwards seems like a reach & a bit click baitie.

[@goldenhands7024]

If that's the case, can you please ask them to let time go back to 1960 😊

[@Hershell-m9e]

Marry Christ,mas

[@Sharon-yk7xm]

We are the time postive nective

[@benfinesilver2250]

BS. Time does not exist, only to an observer at a certain point. There’s no definitive time. All instances exist simultaneously.

[@Ayyy-33]

If scientists disprove science, which they do all the time. You believe that too?

[@zeroonetime]

010 there I.S. the immeasurable Creation 0f 01 Timing... I.T. Just I.S.

[@tinytim71301]

Like saying I measured negative inches?

[@NewToronto]

what are tomorrow's lottery numbers?

[@Krishnaeternal]

What we understand as TIME is a macro phenomenon (aka causality, aka non-quantum). This WILL confuse the other folks. Should use a better terminology. Don't take terms from classical physics.

[@IsabellaIsabella-mc1tx]

Thanks so much. Very interesting and important. Happy Christmas. ❤❤❤

[@davidrobbins8941]

Oh yeah sure, we do it once a year where I live 😂 !

[@HarryChestMaster]

The recieving atom only 'makes room' before recieving the packet of energy (photon) and is detected as excited before the photon is persumely absorbed. If that is not something it is not negative time.

[@khinmaungthein2624]

Vèry strange news.🤔🤔🤔

[@christophergame7977]

Causality defines time and particles. Nothing exists in a realm of probabilities. That's not what 'existence' means. Try again.

[@j.r.fordiii]

This is silly

[@LeaningOnJesus]

@@j.r.fordiii I believe it's absolute. There must be a negative in this realm if there is a positive. I think so anyway.

[@Auroral_Anomaly]

Funky ahh group wave shit.😭

[@Chadokhun]

Yor my friend gio took a kak on Christmas eve

[@ZeekMX]

keep it coming, I love useless information like this.

[@Burlaphen]

Buckaroo Banzai

[@MadersPie]

I call bullshit, don’t even have to watch the video….

[@popo-z2u3e]

time can go backward : gohead gostan 😂

[@GrayDiamond]

AMEZING❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@chrisc2252]

My clock hand was just trying to hit the 10 o clock and pow it dropped down to 6 o clock now that's going back in time. I can make time go backward with a low battery. If anyone is interested hit me up 😂😂

[@pandoraeeris7860]

No they di'int.

[@rosnenynatzir6377]

OMG Godbless meaning some portal open in the cosmic dear Sir🎉nearest one distance🎉

[@FrankReddick]

Nope.

[@cengizmo]

Time, despite being illusional, is quantized. Otherwise, time could not have been relative. Time is relative to both time or himself and relative to anything outside time. Time is also a perception. Perception includes both reality and illusion or non-reality. Perception is the beginning of understanding or comprehension. Reality as well as illusion, and therefore also time is both a particle and a wave. Time particle(s) do exist. Illusion particles do exist as real as reality particles. In fact, each symbol, number or not, alphabetical or not, upto a single and smallest possible dot or point has an equivalent corresponding unique particles imprint or ghost or shadow or cloud or group of particles... That's the link between physics and mysticism or metaphysics. Nobody can ignore a physical reality, neither a metaphysical reality, those are both observed, you cannot accept yhe existence of one and ignore the other, because both are observed phenomenons. That's also the link between quantum mechanics and standard non quantum mechanics. There is no differences in behavior between quantum and non quantum. The strange observations are all coming from the scale factor, the measured is too small compared to the measuring instrument and the measurer's comprehension. It's like trying to fill a cup of tea using a tea-pot the size of a galaxy... Which means that gravity exists at quantum atomic scale. Of course, understanding if gravity also exist in subparticles or sub-subparticles requires another level of deep thinking. Also I dont have the labs you have...