Pastor Seeks To Make Moscow, Idaho A ‘Christian Town’

In Moscow, Idaho, the fight between Church and State is taking a new turn, as residents there engage in a “cold civil war” over Christ Church - a “muscular, masculine led vision of Christianity” that seeks to turn Moscow into a “Christian town.” NBC News correspondent Anne Thompson traveled to Idaho for Meet the Press Reports.
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[@tylerbruder4458]

Couple: claims church preaches against women wearing pants. Next clip: shows Doug Wilson singing next to women wearing pants

[@thesoutherntrust2310]

Including his wife and daughters 🤣

[@Victory7777]

Lmao! Excellent catch.

[@jackiewheeler9202]

And I don’t know if he has tattoos but I know some of his closest associates that he calls brothers in Christ have several, so I doubt he preaches against that either.

[@aaajjworm]

Great catch! lol. I totally missed that!

[@knothead35]

@@jackiewheeler9202 more than likely he does....as he should. But many people.in the church who have tattoos got them before becoming a Christian.

[@patrickambler749]

They asked the universalist church if they think Wilson's church is a real church... if this wasn't such a serious issue this would be comedy gold.

[@turtleneckferret]

The universalist church is a mockery

[@BintAmun]

@@turtleneckferret interesting - you actually called a different church entirely a joke, since you used the wrong name, which makes me thing you are a joke 😃

[@brandonwheaton1081]

@@BintAmun unitarians reject the deity of Jesus. They don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

[@drew9221]

Agreed, because Wilson's is obviously a cult.

[@kipjones2921]

@@BintAmun Unitarian (deny the deity of Jesus Christ) Universalist (everyone goes to heaven) Church ... would that be the correct nomenclature for that gathering?

[@geneticsmatter3834]

Imagine thinking this is unbiased journalism.

[@justinhebert5155]

Right? This is, "let's call it out and misrepresent it, so it doesn't spread any further."

[@bman6065]

Find me an example of non biased journalism. Now or sixty years ago you won't find it. Get real

[@mpls1982]

What's biased about it

[@jennetal.984]

Imagine thinking….oh wait

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

@@justinhebert5155 GOOD ITS BAD

[@mlplife]

A Unitarian Universalist explaining Christianity? Is this satire? Please teen me is satire.

[@tomberry66]

Unitarians are dedicated to the proposition that there is no more than one God, and that he/she/xe/it does not have a Son.

[@FalconTypo6]

Did you just request people to "teen" you? Nailed Wilson's proclivities.

[@Laflamablanca76]

@@FalconTypo6 Oh aren’t you a fancy one 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@joeradler]

My thoughts exactly, almost verbatim! Hahaha. These people have lost their minds and don't care who knows it.

[@FalconTypo6]

@@Laflamablanca76 LOL. Takes an obedient, blind white sheep to finally recognize.

[@Mike-gz4xn]

For someone who can argue with the Bible coherently, gracefully, and tactfully to not be considered Christian by someone who is in open rebellion against the Bible but claiming to be Christian is insane.

[@NFStamper]

“You intolerant bigot.”

[@His-Story.ForHisGlory]

Yeah those women "pastors"

[@TS-ee7jx]

Seriously

[@robertoesquivel4447]

This whole bit is nuts 😅 amazing how they take things out of context to tell their own narrative

[@OhioCoastie94]

Well, Christ did warn us that these ravenous wolves would slink in among the flock.

[@nathanburgard]

“I see them representing patriarchy” Doug: “Yes”

[@dagwould]

Yet, Galatians 3:28?

[@nathanburgard]

@@dagwould hahaha, a classically misused verse. This verse is about how we are all heirs to Christ’s saving grace and righteousness. This does not remove the roles of male and female, otherwise Paul would not have spent time in his other books writing about the roles between the sexes.

[@genotriana3882]

The Christian man has to lay down his life for his wife and serve her as Jesus did for the church. What a terrible patriarchy.

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

This comment says it all. Love it

[@completoencristo]

@@genotriana3882 yet the man makes the decisions. Don’t take that verse out of context .

[@curedbytheonomy]

DID YOU ASK A FEMALE “PASTOR” IF SHE THOUGHT CHRIST CHURCH WAS A CHURCH?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the irony!

[@Victory7777]

Lmao! Unitarian deny that Jesus as messiah died on the cross. They don't claim to be a Christian church at all

[@blakehanson4683]

Hahaha 😆 😂 😆

[@franklinbumgartener1323]

It's like asking a female "pastor" if 1 Timothy 2:12 is Scripture.

[@FalconTypo6]

They did. And her answer was rather eloquent.

[@franklinbumgartener1323]

@@FalconTypo6 "Ignorant" I think you meant to say. "Her answer was rather ignorant."

[@fireinmybones86]

The "Reverend" Doctor of a Universalist "Church" and another woman "pastor" may not have been the best interview choice to oppose a Pastor who studies and at least attempts submission to the authority of scripture.

[@thenowchurch6419]

It is not to be expected that a secular news outlet would make a choice based on scripture. They are only taking into account that both sides call themselves Christian.

[@jameseverhart9814]

fireinmybones86 That's right

[@jameseverhart9814]

@@thenowchurch6419 you got that right

[@jareddoddtheblessedfamily]

Exactly.

[@johnechave3269]

Why did the original group of people come from Europe to America? For religious freedom... Not to force others to their belief just freedom. So to say this "church" is anything other than mr Wilson's way of creating his little kingdom. Christianity is a baby religion not near as old as other religions. To say it is the one true religion is ridiculous and ignorant. I will not be forced to take your religion or ignorant views. Nothing based on science or otherwise. You all need to grow up and realize that this church was kicked.out of every other place it's been in. And they need to go make their compound and leave the rest of the world out of their very skewed views and beliefs

[@AJHurley]

Hahahaha “they say women shouldn’t wear pants.” Camera immediately pans to dozens of church women from Christ church in jeans..

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

unless the women have just finished shovelling the barn out and milking the cows. It's IDAHO. and hoeing the garden........thats "hoe" not..........................

[@sirg_k]

I don’t think they said that women shouldn’t wear pants, the people who left Christ church said that, but I don’t believe them.

[@Mario_1611]

@@sirg_k Exactly. The pastor posted a video responding to this too 🤭

[@krystinhall4653]

EXACTLY...this is just more of the leftist "wrap up smear" campaign that drunken Nancy Pelosi brags about, and then promoted by left wing media.

[@myparceltape1169]

My mother went on honeymoon wearing them. They were fashionable in 1948.

[@NFStamper]

Let’s get someone from outside of orthodox protestant Christianity to make the claim that Doug Wilson does not represent orthodox Protestant Christianity.

[@andrewmjohnson]

He holds to federal vision theology. So no, Doug Wilson doesn’t represent orthodox Protestant Christianity.

[@NFStamper]

@@andrewmjohnson read my original comment and try again. Also, maybe you have not heard, but Doug Wilson claims he no longer holds to what you have accused him of. Perhaps you would like to make a public apology for breaking a commandment.

[@andrewmjohnson]

​@@NFStamper In his article that he wrote called "Federal Vision No Mas" he specifically states that he no longer labels himself to Federal Vision but and I quote..."I would still want affirm everything I signed off on in the Federal Vision statement" LOL. In fact he said the following in the next sentence after that... "I would now want to go further in some directions with that statement". 🤡

[@andrewmjohnson]

Gotta do your homework, before getting self righteous and telling someone they broke a commandment.

[@NFStamper]

@@andrewmjohnson Go listen to the hours of questioning to which he subjected himself for the examination of his theological views and identify what disqualifies him from being an orthodox Christian, in your opinion. A keyboard doesn't make your accusation less serious.

[@andrewmayer5942]

"I don't see them representing values I find in the Bible, I see them representing Patriarchy." It would take a UU reverend to put these two statements right next to each other and say them out loud.

[@shawnsnider7623]

The fact that she hears the word “patriarchy” negatively, is a clear sign that she’s probably outside the faith.

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

Most of the Bible is based on patriarchy, because that’s been the prevalent cultural trend even in ancient Jewish culture. Ironically, if you read the parts of the Bible that Jesus allegedly said, he believed and treated women as equals

[@shawnsnider7623]

@@down-to-earth-mystery-school your explanation gives the Bible human origin, which it actually denies. It’s ironic that you believe patriarchy denies equal dignity and value to begin with (which it does not) and that Jesus is not the Author of all of scripture.

[@rettcopple1970]

"They represent patriarchy! Not the values of the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob!"

[@onehatmedia]

@D Sullivan The laws of your town must have a foundation of SOMETHING. What will you ground them on? How will you determine right from wrong? If you base them purely on man's law, then you have a functionally atheistic town-a town where God is not in charge, and has no practical relevance to what goes on there. If you base them on the Bible, then you have a Christian town-meaning God is recognized as Lord over this town, not that everyone there has to be a Christian. If you ground those laws on the Koran, then you have a muslim town. In other words, you can't have a neutral grounding; they will be based on something.

[@mjed1654]

I imagine they intentionally left out where he almost certainly went on to explain that husbands are called to live their wife as Christ loves the church - Christ served us and gave His life for us - so therefore the husband is called to serve and sacrifice for his wife. A very important part. And it comes directly after the verse that was mentioned in this.

[@jjgems5909]

Doug made a video response about this. I think he did mention they left out some very important parts

[@edrussell125]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q16Tf6GHZdaYd6M some of edit room material

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

@@jjgems5909 it doesn’t even matter this is NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. We don’t want a religious government. Separation of Church and state

[@bentrig9128]

The important part for me is that he says wives should be submissive to their husbands. There is no way to spin that view positively. It doesn't matter how much a husband 'loves' his wife if he makes submission a condition of that 'love'. A religion that believes women exist to serve men is just wrong.

[@completoencristo]

@@avacadomangobanana2588 this is not Catholicism . When they had the dark ages , we are talking about true Christ followers. But there will never be a perfect nation until Christ comes.

[@markxivlxii1390]

I had to pause at “Dr Elizabeth Stevens leads the Unitarian Universalist Church”.. and laugh out loud. A heretical “church” in many ways, led by woman in rebellion against God says Wilson’s church is not Christian?! That’s too much, what a joke.

[@JoelNCurry]

Nothing Christian about universalism. Christ Is the only way!

[@faturechi]

They don't even claim to be Christians anymore...

[@BlackOperations530]

@@JoelNCurry YES! AMEN!

[@FalconTypo6]

Where do you park your van with no windows?

[@RIPfifi]

Right?! That was my thought

[@aterrt8523]

A “Unitarian universalist” 😂😂😂 This is comedy.

[@christoph1596]

Unitarian Universalist talking about departing from the Bible 😂😂

[@christoph1596]

@@cstuartdc No, the Unitarian Universalist does not have a point… she’s not even remotely in the realm of Christianity, she rejects literally every significant piece of historic orthodox Christianity lol

[@christoph1596]

@@cstuartdc Unfortunately, you’re trying to use big words but you don’t really know what they mean or when they’re applicable. To say that claiming Unitarian Universalism is outside of Christian Orthodoxy is “appealing to authority” Is the equivalent of you telling a person telling a hol0caust denier they don’t understand the holocaust as “appealing to authority”…. It’s not an opinion bud it’s just observing the historical evidence and data

[@sxemaamexs6427]

@@cstuartdc She's being used as an authority on Christianity, when in reality, she 1) does not accept the clear teaching of the Bible in both Paul and Peter's epistles saying that women shouldn't be priests 2) denies the foundational creeds of the global Christian Church (Apostle's and Nicene) which are universally accepted by most ecumenical Christian bodies and 3) denies the two hallmarks of Christianity: the Trinity and Deity of Christ, making her a small, radical minority in the Christian world. This is equivalent to going to Karl Marx as a representative on what the Democratic Party believes or George Lincoln Rockwell as a representative of the Republican party.

[@alaska4648]

@Chris Toph Agreed on all points. Wondering, however, if the media coordinators were intentional in locating the wolf-in-sheep’s clothing Universalist “pastors” OR did they go with the eager detractors after reaching out to actual Christian pastors who were too cowardly to stand in front of a camera and proclaim truth?

[@petermenkveld4162]

Alot more fair than I was expecting. They gave almost 30 seconds to 1 person who supports Christ Church.

[@bettertomorrow791]

That's about the right ratio how much the town supports Christ Church, 25,000 people and about 2,000 supports the church.

[@alekmiller652]

@@bettertomorrow791 That's less than 10%. 2,000 is basically zero. Literally no one.

[@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023]

@@bettertomorrow791 sounds like you think mob rules apply, that's the same mentality of the Nazis. Just remember narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life and few will find it. Broad is the road that leads to destruction, for it is easy.

[@bettertomorrow791]

@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 You religious nutjob can believe whatever you want to believe. When you don't have an argument, always bring out the Nazis.

[@paulacoyle5685]

one second more than they deserve.

[@andrewmcnaught4523]

"Did you feel [betrayed]? How did you feel?" They aren't evening hiding the leading questions. How did these people hear of how good this place is and move there if everything is "so bad" 🤔

[@mojoriden]

you missed the entire timeline portion of this somehow. Lack of attention span or comprehension. Trump supporter?

[@andrewmcnaught4523]

@@mojoriden I'm not even American. I just noticed how the journalist was asking leading questions. In school you're taught that leading questions are not acceptable for journalism as it encourages the person being interviewed to follow the lead of the interviewer. I want journalists to function as neutral parties rather than tell the person their interviewing how they feel.

[@aiwithbri]

I I caught that, too.

[@lewislibre]

I thought this was Saturday Night Live. You could of at least gotten someone who understands Christianity to talk about Doug

[@michaelmannucci8585]

I literally lol'd when I saw the "ex-members". Not only did they lie (Christ church does not teach women can't wear pants), but these two are clearly not Christians at all lol

[@TheSergio1021]

​@@michaelmannucci8585 I was thinking the same thing. They're obviously VERY typical left wingers lying about their attendance.

[@nunyabidnes5253]

Finds an biblically informed church in town. “I felt betrayed”. 😂

[@FalconTypo6]

Johnny Moronic transplants, gladly welcomed to click their heels and go back to where they came from.

[@John5TwentyFour]

"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers treated the false prophets in the same way."

[@charleschi843]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="272">4:32</a> Yes, interview the female reverend with the Universalist church. That's a good place to get solid theology.

[@TheSergio1021]

dont say that to NBC reporters, they probably dont understand your sarcasm

[@rosesandmilk]

It scares me how many people are supporting this man in the comments.

[@Put-that-down]

Journalist Leading the Interview 101 Journalist: “Did you feel betrayed? How would you describe your feelings?” Attention Seeking Girl: “I felt Betrayed!”

[@charleschi843]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="194">3:14</a> You missed a good come back. They are equal, but many skip the verse that comes after the "wives submit" verse. Read that and you will realize that men have the calling to lay down their life and sacrificially love their wife. This is beautiful when lived out.

[@deeds7529]

They intentionally leave it out because it doesn’t fit their narrative that the “Bible is misogynistic”

[@charleschi843]

@@deeds7529 True. This whole piece is highly edited to make this Pastor seem like a prehistoric primate. If you give him time, he is spewing some of the most helpful and life breathing news any culture could hear.

[@deeds7529]

@@charleschi843 yup, i just watched the unedited version on Doug's channel and they left out so much!

[@clarksarge4750]

He did say that, but of course it was edited out.

[@Michael-le5ph]

except it's NOT lived out. is it?

[@gonzo4346]

Well, you know it's a stitch up when not one single person interviewed was supportive of the church or spoke about any of its merits. Not exactly balanced journalism.

[@zacgraham834]

There are no merits to a group that wants women to be second class citizens.

[@FalconTypo6]

Did it ever occur to you that it is difficult to find one of his "supporters" in the town?

[@patriciareagin2731]

@@FalconTypo6 did it ever occur to you that this is NBC. Pleaaaase!

[@tbe0116]

@@FalconTypo6 His church is 2k people in a town of 25k. It shouldn’t be hard.

[@FalconTypo6]

@@tbe0116 What is "it"?

[@jareddoddtheblessedfamily]

I pray for churches like this in every county of this nation.

[@mpls1982]

Hate churches

[@jareddoddtheblessedfamily]

@@mpls1982 I hope it is just the hypocritical, worldly church you have an issue with. The true church is the bride of Jesus Christ, and is therefore best to love and adore and belong to rather than hate.

[@bentrig9128]

Well that's a relief, I was worried you were going to do something useful for them.

[@Michael-le5ph]

@@jareddoddtheblessedfamily Jesus must want a really BAD bride. if the church is the bride of christ then he will accept anything.

[@khanhminhnguyen7274]

It is called Christian theocracy.

[@annamae4761]

When an observer watches this and then the response video done a few days later, seeing what was left on the edit room floor… I think it was wise that the other party recorded as well. It’s amazing how the lens through which information is edited can produce two very different perspectives. In his response he mentions the history of how the rest of the West ended their participation in the slave trade, the repentant author of the song amazing grace comes to mind who campaigned for England to end their participation. His repentant campaigning led to England ending their participation. It appears obvious that one side has more grace for the imperfect person than the other.

[@lisalp356]

He's bold, I like that about him.

[@FalconTypo6]

Serial killers are "bold".

[@keithwilson6060]

And he’s kind about it.

[@jayraymond9707]

@@FalconTypo6 so are transsexuals that attempt suicide. What’s your point?

[@FalconTypo6]

@@jayraymond9707 Exactly. "Bold" doesn't mean sh*t.

[@FalconTypo6]

@@keithwilson6060 Kind about being a racist pig?

[@jackpaddock3138]

"Many faith leaders disagree with Doug Wilson." *Goes Immediately to a Unitarian Universalist* Like, I think he's wrong, but come on.

[@sherrihaight2724]

the UU has done a lot wortk for the community in accordance to christian values, while being open and welcoming to others. If the state isn't going to help folks, and a big "church" actively is unhelpful, when who is more christian?

[@jcpg9592]

UU isn’t a church and they aren’t Christians. They deny the fundamental tenant of Christianity I.e. Jesus is God incarnate

[@lewislibre]

They always pick the worst example possible 🤡

[@naomiarmendariz2841]

They might as well have just asked a non-Christian leader of the local social club.

[@sunsetfuzz]

@@sherrihaight2724 Hello Sherri. Are Christians defined by their works or their faith in the work of Jesus Christ? God sees the heart and we do not. I know people who are not Christian and do 10x the works I have but do not believe in Jesus existence let alone His willing sacrifice on the cross for all sin. To ask "who is more Christian?" in those scenarios is not applicable because in both those and this situation... one believes in the biblical teachings of the trinity and the divinity of Jesus and the other does not. Both cannot be true so only one is a true Christian. Also, demons believe in Jesus and they aren't Christians so we can't just say a belief in Jesus makes someone a Christian. I don't say this to be Christian and we would probably agree Christians (myself included) need to show the love of Christ better and more often, but let that not become something to boast about or to measure one's value since we only boast in Christ and not of our own works or ability.

[@mamakort]

"...women can't wear pants..." *immediately pans to several women from Christ Kirk wearing pants at a hymn sing* Come on, NBC 🤣🤣 There was even a woman with tattoos in Canon Press' recent Eve in Exile documentary. Imagine the horror 🤣

[@Groovsonic]

Thank the Lord for men like Doug Wilson. I don't agree with him on every thing, but I agree with him on a lot, and I appreciate him taking a stand.

[@wademansfield8981]

yeah take a stand against those pesky women who want equal rights, wear pants, and won't submit to their husbands. sheesh!

[@thirstypilgrim97]

@@wademansfield8981 Well look where they've gotten us. Millions of dead babies and most of them on depression meds.

[@rangoman1815]

Exactly, as RC Sproul said we need to understand the intention that we all Christians want to serve Christ and be true to scripture as much as possible... that's why we need to have civil discourse with love to settle our differences and rectify it whenever possible...as I'm from India, surrounded by 99% Evangelical Penticostal and Charismatic influence, I have to agree to disagree with many things yet we should not cease to speak the truth

[@Adrian-qi5ii]

@@wademansfield8981 ..those sinners of the cucumber club, teacher drag-queens, folsom degenerates and criminals. sHeEsHHH!!

[@OhioCoastie94]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="260">4:20</a> Why would you go to a non-Christian and expect her to have anything positive to say about Christ Church? This female Unitarian Universalist is not a Christian, by definition. It's darkly hilarious to hear her, a member of a hostile anti-Christian religion, call Wilson's congregation a "cult" while she misappropriates the trappings and respect of Christianity for herself. Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing!

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

Typical white male response. Women make great spiritual leaders, we have throughout history and continue to do so until today

[@thelegendarykevininsales7589]

Why is a unitarian universalist not considered a christian?

[@chloecigarroa9847]

@@thelegendarykevininsales7589 They deny foundational doctrine like the trinity. Usually they think Jesus was just a man or they flat out don't believe in God or the bible. They deny that Christ died for our sins to redeem mankind, which is bare minimum Christian belief. They are no more Christian than a Muslim would be, regarding Jesus in a very similar manner.

[@Wheatsilo]

As someone who has listened to Doug Wilson uncut for years now I'm just crying laughing from how NBC is too stupid to understand what he's saying and therfore struggled greatly to edit and capture what he actually believes.

[@Wheatsilo]

@Anthony Rubio your comment makes no sense?

[@FalconTypo6]

@@WheatsiloLOL.. blind to a "leader" blatantly being called out on his hypocrisy, much?

[@lkd06]

No, the msm has a dark agenda and it was intentional

[@Michael-le5ph]

Doug has the same problem all christians have. give them a little power and see what happens.

[@michaelewnetu1590]

Being a Christian Vs claiming to be a Christian !!

[@brycejeffcoat2342]

Interesting how the worst case for everyone else in the community is just "they hurt my feelings" and yet, people in Doug's church are losing their business, being ostracized in the community, and their criminal past being drug into the open. But they are the bad guys here.

[@drew9221]

Maybe it's a bad idea to advertise your association with a controversial cult if you're a business owner? If you read the Vice expose on this cult you'll learn about all the nasty stuff they do to former members, including boycotts.

[@SammyNeverEver]

Vice? LOL.

[@brycejeffcoat2342]

@@SammyNeverEver This is NBC. Could not find a Vice video about Christ church in Moscow.

[@patrickc3419]

Doug Wilson is doing what frankly all Christians and churches should be doing.

[@wet-read]

Which is?

[@patrickc3419]

@@wet-read Being in the world, but not of the world. Christ followers supporting and loving each other as a national and global family. Not sending your children to government funded indoctrination centers (also known as public schools) and, whenever possible doing private schools or co-op homeschool instead. Worshiping together, breaking bread together, and, having become even more relevant than ever from 2020 to early 2022, applying Romans 13 in a exegetical, proper context. Anarchy is unbiblical and sinful; point of fact there is a genuine important role that a limited government should have. But God comes first.

[@wet-read]

Ok. Well you can think that stuff. 😀

[@patrickc3419]

@@wet-read Thank you. You as well. Freedom of speech and the right to disagree is extremely important.

[@alaska4648]

@@wet-read Respectfully, it sounds like @PatrickC is much more about DOING “that stuff” than just thinking it. 😊 ((James 1:22))

[@Victory7777]

Lmao! The lady from the unitarian church denies Jesus was the messiah altogether .

[@jdarst100]

There is no god . now go have a nice day.

[@Victory7777]

@@jdarst100 lol! Your comment has as much impact as an effeminate man beating his chest with two well used lambs wool dusters.

[@chloecigarroa9847]

@@jdarst100 You would fit in well at a unitarian church with that belief.

[@jamesgasaway7784]

Praise God for Doug Wilson. Christ is King.

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

And Christianity is only for men.

[@tylercurry4999]

Amen!

[@jdarst100]

There is no god. Now go have a nice day.

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

@@jdarst100: It’s not that simple. It can’t be proven either way. So much for nice days.

[@calebdavidhizar2406]

"Do you consider Christ Church a church?" "I don't" Said by the the non pastor

[@sherrihaight2724]

Moscow was once literally called "a cesspool of liberalism" by a republican politician upset by residents going to his county fair booth and asking polite questions about why the guy supported and voted the things he did. He called us mean. Lol

[@Victory7777]

Yes it was. It was known as the Eugene of Idaho

[@OhioCoastie94]

Sherri, who is Jesus of Nazareth and what did He do?

[@toxicatedmemes3529]

@@OhioCoastie94 He offered Himself as a perfect living sacrifice before God, dying for your sins and mine so that whoever puts their faith in Him can have everlasting life!

[@jamesshively]

"You liberal nutards!" -That Politician "This is exactly why I didn't vote for him" -LCSO Deputy

[@matthewmanucci]

"Pastor believes the Bible."

[@pamelalusher7365]

He believes the parts that support what he wants.

[@LightWaIker]

@@pamelalusher7365 will you say what part is he opposed to?

[@pamelag4526]

I was assigned to a temporary job in the Idaho Department of Health and Human Services in Boise where we processed complaints of sexual abuse. You would be amazed as to the number of instances of this going on w/in families w/their children. From looking through the complaints, the majority of this was occurring on the eastern side of the state around Idaho Falls and Pocatello where there is a heavy Mormon influence.

[@Former_Pastor]

Exactly, no surprise there

[@rjsimpkins2911]

Statistically over 50% of SE Idaho, which is 500 miles away from Moscow, are LDS, so it wouldn't be unexpected that a similar or significant number of abusers would be at least marginally linked to this church, where they are carried on membership roles, in spite of not attending a single service in years.

[@dylbot2364]

Douglas Wilson is not Mormon, he is a Presbyterian Christian. Very different from Mormonism.

[@hookoffthejab1]

@@rjsimpkins2911 pastor Wilson's church is not mormon in the slightest.

[@rjsimpkins2911]

@@hookoffthejab1 I understand that and was responding to bigoted comment dragging a population over 500 miles away, into the story.

[@bbsnavely1]

I find it laughable you cite a "Rev. Dr." who is from a literal 'cult' as defined by almost all Protestant and Catholic denominations, who believe that anyone and everyone will find eternity in heaven, regardless of what they believe. I'm not even defending all of what the pastor has said...but maybe some research on specific groups like the Unitarian Universalist "church" would be beneficial before using someone like that for segment.

[@mpls1982]

It's confusing to remember all your wacky beliefs.

[@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023]

I'm so sad this cafe is closing, I will be praying God raises them up, maybe the owner can come back stronger. God is good and He is going to do all things for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purposes.

[@beautifullybroken2926]

It’s very possible. Look up Nini’s Deli in Chicago. Amazing true story of persecution of a believer who refused to bow down to the BLM movement, they had to shut down, but the LORD raised them up again. There is a KZbin video about it, if it hasn’t been censored…

[@docbradleydc]

My bet is it was a dying business regardless of his choice of religious worship and he found a way to fulfill his fantasy of being oppressed while shifting blame off of himself. If 10% of the town is a member of that church, that is a large enough customer base to keep the doors open.

[@klanservativerepubliklan1818]

@@beautifullybroken2926 Question: Do you think your "god" will ever raise up Black Wall Street Tulsa Oklahoma or Rosewood, Florida as you say "he" did with that deli in Chicago?

[@AK-rv6dq]

Your God is nothing

[@charleschi843]

Make it an official Christian town. Let's all get the popcorn and tune in.

[@Michael-le5ph]

Yes, lets do and see what happens. since it's against the constitution and all.

[@rosehammer9482]

What type of community does Dearborn have? Is there room or acceptance of a LGBTQ community? Is there an atheist or non-Muslim community included? If so, is the community structured in a way to keep certain people from moving into the city like renters not renting or property owners not selling homes to outside groups? Would love to see you do a story like you did on this Moscow community.

[@johnnyspin6346]

People in Dearborn respect our Constitution, so its not the same.

[@aiwithbri]

Dearbornistan

[@OmarOsman98]

I am a Muslim, and there is a bias in the United States against Christianity. It’s kind of obvious. Outside of the United States, we are the target of zealous pro Israel based charades of foreign policy. My guess it that because Christians are the majority of the country, the United States government wants to stamp out religious power from the strongest demographic.

[@jakefry9608]

You literally went to a Unitarian who denies orthodox Christian doctrine to ask “who is the church.” Unbelievably ignorant.

[@CCSI322]

The people they interviewed are the embodiment of the end of civilization

[@drew9221]

Says someone who probably thinks the world was more civilized 2 thousand years ago 😂

[@ReformedSooner24]

“just like Roe used to be.” mic drop, man freaking NAILED it.

[@crazando]

Such a win

[@kingoreo3642]

Oh, my gosh. I used to live in Moscow. It’s a college party town. Lots of little churches, but most people lean left. What an absurd idea, guaranteeing people won’t want to be associated with that church.

[@khanhminhnguyen7274]

Will religious people outside Christianity be welcomed there ?

[@cjdflkj]

“he’s against pants” next scene him with women who wear pants lol. Whose wrong about the mandates no, Missy?! 😆

[@Whatsittuya407]

It’s tragic that we live in a time that the couple around the 7 minute mark (the “man” in particular) was complaining that the church was saying men shouldn’t dress like women… How is that radical. Men should be men and women should be women. So delusional. It’s surprising that we need to be told that.

[@HungerSTR1KE]

I can't say these ideas are actually Christian.

[@Golfinthefamily]

you might try hearing a sermon from pastor wilson and reading the Bible... it will explain it.

[@americanmeteoritefan9670]

The first time I ever knew of this town was as a result of my very early research into COVID-19. A medical research paper was written by several people who had gone to China to see the first COVID patients in the hospital. One of the people was in China on behalf of the University there in Moscow. The first big outbreak occurred as a result of a medical conference in Boston which the research group may very well have attended upon their return from China. Now this... interesting.

[@manfredomd]

the smugness and stiff face of the interviewer says all you need to know about her opinion.

[@MurrDog723NoNeYa-je4bp]

EXACTLY! Isn't she just, uhh, disgusting? So, today I got fired for talking about PROVERBS 3:30 to a bully coworker. Yup, they took me in the office where nobody could hear and told me to not talk about Jesus. at work, "I'm asking you to not talk about God at work or things won't work out for you here" so I went to grab my tools and slammed them on my toolbox like, okay, then the boss shouted, "that's it, you're out of here."

[@tedfordhyde]

Praise God for people taking a strong stand for what the Bible teaches.

[@brianm5425]

the people interviewed weren't biased at all

[@Michael-le5ph]

yes, put it all on the women. what about big FAT men who lie? they say one thing and always do another. what about the hellfire awaiting THOSE men???

[@AO-jd9cp]

No bad press here. We have seen and are about to see Doug Wilson's church explode with people who want to have truth taught to them. Biased journalism loses here. "All things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose." Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="508">8:28</a>

[@jdarst100]

There is no god. Now go have a nice day

[@trentledford5448]

@@jdarst100 Jesus is Lord. Have a nice day.

[@ronaldestep4100]

I guess we’re supposed to be shocked that traditional Christians are still evangelizing their communities and printing books.

[@rosefortheKing]

Check out their women wearing pants, "who aren't allowed to wear pants."

[@Anglochog1]

Wow nice editing.

[@crankyanker2682]

I live here and was not expecting to see this video in my recommended

[@tophmonster947]

Lmao same here 😂

[@dreamseelive]

Ohh, what’s it like? 😂

[@crankyanker2682]

@@dreamseelive totally fine. The church, under my unbiased opinion and impression of the community, doesn't currently pose any threat to the domestic condition of any single person here. There's people with opinions, but I've yet to see anyone with opinions cause severe harm to anyone's livelihood around here so 🤷‍♂️

[@leemckinney4974]

NBC not approving is a badge of honor.

[@theminutemen1275]

1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="131">2:11</a>-15 " A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety". Your Female Pastor of the Unitarian church doesn't know enough scripture to teach anyone

[@polycarpofsmyrna2168]

Doug did a great job. Proclaiming the truth of Christ's kingship in a dignified and articulate way.

[@britterz483]

I love that I get to learn from Pastor Doug even in an NBC interview!! God is good!!!

[@jameseverhart9814]

Britterz me too

[@neilcates3499]

It's nice that god is good - in your imagination. He likely does not exist outside of that though.

[@Michael-le5ph]

what God? and are you still cutting your hair and wearing pants and do you just obey men?

[@Whatsittuya407]

@@Michael-le5phI don’t think you can even define what a man is lol

[@rmcar549]

What did you learn? Just curious.

[@cobyleebrooks]

Love is neither coercive, nor controlling-a key to discerning who has it, and who does not.

[@cccEngineer]

I can't imagine spending my entire life thinking my thoughts alone have any effect or thinking another person's perspective of a popular book is important.

[@ArugaPH]

This very comment falsify that.

[@CmRoddy]

I love how NBC takes all these quotes from Wilson and practically yells at the viewer “These are scare quotes! Be afraid of this kind of thinking! Isn’t this man just awful?!” Meanwhile Biblical Christians all over the country with some of the most happy, fulfilling, and human-flourishing-promoting marriages and churches see the quotes and go “Yeah… and that’s bad, why?” But of course, it is to be expected that NBC would misunderstand and misrepresent a belief system they simply refuse to even try to understand. Produces at NBC, if you read this; Jesus Christ is Lord over all His creation and He commands every man, woman, and child to repent and believe the Gospel. That in includes you and everyone in your company and everyone you release content to. Standing in open rebellion against God is sinful and you will stand before a thrice holy God one day and account for every single act of rebellion and sin you committed. I hope and pray that you trust in the atoning work of Christ and His imputed righteousness alone for your salvation, by faith alone, through Grace alone, all for God’s glory alone because if not then you will face the wrath of God for an eternity.

[@FalconTypo6]

Toddle on back to your FOX News, weirdo.

[@bvw3153]

Great that you believe that. Now tell me why anyone else should live under a system of your Christian beliefs?

[@CmRoddy]

@@bvw3153 Because it is either Christ or chaos. Jesus Christ is Lord, the creator of the universe, and He commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. As I said in my post, the folks and producers at NBC (along with everyone else on this planet who has ever lived or ever will live) will one day stand before a thrice holy God. And my friend, if you turn to Christ you will find Him to be a perfect savior. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account (Rom. 4:8).

[@bvw3153]

@@CmRoddy So you are ok with theocracy then, because that is what the pastor is calling for. A government dictated by religion.

[@CmRoddy]

@@bvw3153 Friend, you are misunderstanding what folks like Douglas Wilson mean on this subject. No one is advocating for a system where pastors or priests rule within the government to establish some kind of state church or ecclesiastical state council. When Wilson says “All of Christ for all of Life,” he means that all spheres of life are under the Lordship of Christ; the family government, church ecclesiology, local government, state government, federal government, etc. As I said above, it’s Christ or chaos. What Wilson is advocating is a nation whose laws are founded on the principles of God’s revelation to us, as He had spoken clearly and authoritatively through the Scriptures. Only the Christian worldview can bring about a society where the innocent are protected, the poor are taken care of, and the wicked are punished. But if you reject the idea of a nation placing importance on the lordship of Christ in all things, what kind of system would you put in place that isn’t just as religious in nature? The question isn’t whether or not one founds their laws and principles upon a religious framework, but rather which religious framework you use to plant your feet. You may think or immediately say “we don’t advocate for any religion,” but the reality is that you would have to promote a specific worldview and thus you’ll have to account for the presuppositions and assumptions that lay as the foundation of that worldview. Whether you intend it or not, this worldview very much acts as a religious framework, because that worldview dictates things like morality, ethics, and principles that lead to specific laws as good and condemns other actions as bad.

[@Mike-gz4xn]

Let’s claim to follow the Bible but do the opposite and say we are “Christian”. Guess who I’m talking about.

[@OzzyMcFinn]

Let's start with "Woman Pastors" for 200, Alex.

[@TheSergio1021]

What is "a couple of clearly typical left-wing socialist college students that claim to be former members"

[@Michael-le5ph]

@@OzzyMcFinn or big fat men who hate women. for 1000, Alex.

[@drew9221]

Can you tell me the verse where Jesus says women can't be pastors?

[@Golfinthefamily]

@@drew9221 1 Timothy 3:1-7. Husband of 1 wife. Overseer/Elder/Pastor are interchangeable biblically

[@TheBusttheboss]

It is so funny how you have a non Christian unitarian universalist telling a freaking Calvinist that he is not a Christian.

[@jeffransom9480]

Why didn't she ask those couples why they want to live in a Christian town? Seems the answer to that question would actually get to the heart of this movement.

[@anitakristensen4679]

Sounds like the church universal and triumph , known as cut . Started with the help of Elizabeth Clare proffet. In montana .

[@TheBusttheboss]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="404">6:44</a> Where do you find these people?

[@chrisharmon3750]

The unitarian doesn't think he's a good representative of Christianity... isn't this the "church" that closes in the summer?

[@historian254]

I'm Kenyan and I listen to Wilson

[@nathanweisser]

"I don't believe they're a real church, no", says the UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST I'm starting to understand what God meant when he said that he sits in the heavens and laughs.

[@Michael-le5ph]

i think God may regret ever building a church. all they do is lie over and over and over again. some bride.

[@nobleststriver397]

The irony of a female pastor to a Unitarian church labeling Christ church as a cult 😂😂😂

[@FalconTypo6]

You might want to look up the definition of "irony", sheeple.

[@krisjones4051]

@@FalconTypo6 Unitarians are cultists you sheep

[@alaska4648]

@@FalconTypo6 ​ Ahhhh ! The delightful irony (aka I.N.C.O.N.G.R.U.I.T.Y.) of your abjectly ignorant insult directed to @NoblestStriver for utilizing the word “irony” in the exact manner in which the dictionary proscribes! Ha ha ha ha ha! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tysonschrock]

NBC worked hard to find men in opposition both in and out of the cloth.

[@ManassehJones]

This is an example of why a child of God doesn't give that which is holy unto the dogs, lest they turn and rend you to pieces. The only motive behind the story is to condemn that which is Holy.

[@guthrie_the_wizard]

Regression towards theocracy leads to asinine dogmas like the following becoming laws: “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” ‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1213">20:13</a>‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Or perhaps: “But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1340">22:20</a>-21‬ ‭ESV‬‬ These are examples from the Christian Bible. : (

[@ParoleOfficer000]

That sure sounds a lot worse than a rabbi gnawing a child's foreskin off.

[@manderly109]

@Censored Opinions right. So what does this guy think of slavery? Because he’s referencing the Bible as the reason why wives should be submissive. Using that logic, wouldn’t he also attempt to justify slavery because the Bible says so?

[@thesoutherntrust2310]

Read his book Black & Tan… you’ll really be in a tizzy after that

[@scottyyoch3537]

Yes, and?

[@sherrihaight2724]

I bet they wear mixed fiber clothing too.

[@timothykeith1367]

Little Moscow Idaho is punching out of its weight class! I think they are trying to make Doug Wilson's congregation to be like Westboro Baptist.

[@delilahhart4398]

They may not picket funerals, but they're just as hateful.

[@joeharris3878]

If homosexual marriage is "the law of the land" in the US that's news to me. When did Congress pass that legislation?

[@jpodolski6078]

"It never occurred to me that church could be wrong? "...wrong according to whose standards?

[@bman6065]

Imagine that, a Christian cult in rural Idaho. Never would've thought such a thing was possible.

[@LovingTheCovenant]

You also cut out a lot of what Doug said. The video contains way more statements from heretics than Doug

[@sherrihaight2724]

you wont believe what they left out that wilson and his group has done to our town. trust me, they were being very light handed in their opposition content.

[@ChargedTTq]

@@sherrihaight2724 Keep believing rumors and lies.

[@Super-Amigo]

Hey Pastor, show us your browser history! Then we can talk... 🤣

[@didierlason6453]

I always wonder what these religious conservative men are googling in the middle of the night.

[@nadzach]

My marriage began more than 50 years ago, so patriarchy is a norm to me. That doesn't exclude a female dominant family as a choice. No partnership gets anywhere if authority isn't delegated before controversy arises. If every decision were a tied vote, there is no decision. Imagine a tandem bicycle. You decide who controls the front handlebars on any given day or for any given event. What kind of car we will buy or where we vacation. My husband has a good working knowledge if vehicles, so he gets that last word. We alternate decision years for where to vacation, and this is my year. Suppose the kids are stuck in public school, because we can't decide which private school is best. Now, the kids will suffer from an inadequate education because WE can't decide. The patriarchy system says, when you havent delegated authority and you can't work out a compromise, Dad gets the last word. He has the responsibility of considering my desires and the children's needs.

[@drew9221]

Yet billions of people don't live this way. In your mind, none of them are able to get anything done in cases where they don't see eye to eye? Haha what a breathtaking moron you are.

[@bluegorilla1006]

He has been such a blessing to me. He has taught me a ton.

[@Michael-le5ph]

How to hate women?

[@Sarabethd]

Moscow, Idaho murders brought me here

[@thefirsttimegardener1896]

The editing on this is hilarious. “Th church doesn’t allow women to wear pants” as it cuts to a shot of women wearing pants.

[@Michael-le5ph]

Doug does teach that women should not wear pants. and that women should shut up and obey. How is this going for him?

[@brandonwheaton1081]

@@Michael-le5ph do you have proof of that? I'd like to see.

[@scottgodwin]

If you don’t like him, move somewhere else. God forbid people try to act moral.

[@i8bugs1]

Reading the comments, Pastor Wilson must be directly over the target.

[@FalconTypo6]

It's f*ck'n scary.

[@jayfrei]

Teach me how to Dougie! Love it!

[@MrMichaeledavis83]

As a Christian, while I don’t agree with his goal of achieving a Christian town through politics (Jesus never called for that, but rather to spread the gospel and preach repentance of sin) I find it absolutely hilarious that they would interview a ‘pastor’ from a Unitarian ‘church’. These people in no way could be called Christian (which of course means Christ follower). They do not follow Jesus actual teaching, but rather pick a couple nice sounding things to support their agenda, while ignoring the bulk of what he taught. Laughable.

[@ReformedSooner24]

in response to your first point, read the great commision again. thats just one example. Psalm 2 is another. you may ultimately disagree still but I would at least listen to the general equity theonomist case from one before passing judgement. its not some novel idea, it actually is quite historical.

[@paulacoyle5685]

i love how he misrepresents the Stitler situation. what a typical abuse apologist.

[@JBroc-dq9ik]

"reverend doctor Elizabeth Stevens of Unitarian Universalist Church" Haha lost all credibility with that one.

[@meghan42]

What a horror!

[@dividjones494]

only if your a women😄

[@Former_Pastor]

That's what religion is

[@UltraAar]

@@dividjones494 Christianity liberates women

[@ter8330]

Love how she emphasize the word MASCULINE.

[@kentfrederick8929]

But what is a Christian town? Idaho tends to be very LDS, like neighboring Utah. But, my parents used to live in Idaho. Being a non-Mormon is tough. Being Catholic in the rural South is tough, because Christianity is very evangelical. Being Protestant, whether Mainline or Evangelical, in Chicago is tough, because the city is predominantly Catholic. I had a pastor who explained how the United Methodist Church got on the bad side of Mayor Richard J. Daley. UMC churches were getting written up for phantom building code violations, and the bishop of the Northern Illinois Conference was not invited to ecumenical events held by the Mayor. Yet, Mayor Daley was considered a good Catholic.