Nearly 200-Mile Road Trip with 2025 Ram 1500 Hurricane MPG Review

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@brandonchilders2118
@brandonchilders2118 7 ай бұрын
My local Ram dealer had 5 new Hurricanes in. I stopped and looked at them and checked prices. They had a nice Big Horn, no leather, $63,000. Had a real nice Larime and it snickered for $70,500. These truck prices are out of control!!!
@turnerruma5977
@turnerruma5977 7 ай бұрын
We did it Joe
@jigthepuff4540
@jigthepuff4540 7 ай бұрын
Is everyone rich as hell or am I just poor as shit?
@asvpab
@asvpab 7 ай бұрын
Nobody pays msrp for Rams, these will be discounted 20% by end of year
@jjpark1989
@jjpark1989 7 ай бұрын
If everyone was smart, we’d all boycott these brands until they realize they’re price gouging the hell out of us and we won’t stand for it until they correct the numbers.
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
@@jjpark1989 Just stop buying trucks with a bunch of tacked-on gimmicks that nobody actually needs. There is still value to be had in base models. Relatively speaking of course, thanks to record inflation that you can thank our politicians for.
@robertchapman4488
@robertchapman4488 7 ай бұрын
$50,000 truck selling for $67,000 is bullshit
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 7 ай бұрын
paid 54k for a loaded 2021 Laramie 4x4, basically was almost a Longhorn...sticker was 61k.....from 21 to 22 is when Ram massively increased MSRP, covid and they won truck of the year it was first time they could sell for MSRP and it went straight to their heads....now they discounted heavily right off the bat for new models.......going to get slammed on resale and thank god I sold it at peak market not a chance I would touch that new motor, they should have kept the V8 Hemi imo I wouldnt buy another RAM
@fit4ya1975
@fit4ya1975 7 ай бұрын
@@kirkdunn1379 How was the quality of your RAM? I love the interiors, best seats as well. I also like their storage. Never owned one before and was thinking of trying it out. Ive had GM/Chevy for the past 20 years with zero issues. Had an Explorer for 3 years it was great as well. Not brand loyal, I just want quality for the money we are spending now.
@claysmurthwaite2386
@claysmurthwaite2386 7 ай бұрын
​@@fit4ya1975had 3 hemis over the last 13 years. All great engines, never an issue or problem. I. Extremely ruff on my trucks too. Lots of off roading, extreme environments in Northern Canada.. wouldn't touch one of these after having a crappy Ford ecoboost.. hard pass
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
The best way to address that is to simply not buy it. Nobody really needs most of the features they charge an arm and a leg for.
@meatballs2849
@meatballs2849 7 ай бұрын
I got a new Tundra in 2018 for 31.5k, it has a v8, 4x4, 4 doors and an 8 foot bed. These prices now are unsustainable.
@mannyman4103
@mannyman4103 7 ай бұрын
I bought a brand new Level 2 fully loaded BigHorn with LEDs and big screen and everything in 2019 for $38,000 OTD. Paying $65,000 for basically the same truck today with the edition of adaptive cruise control and HUD is crazy... JUST CRAZY!!!!!
@jmax6614
@jmax6614 6 ай бұрын
I bought my Lonestar crew cab for $30,000 in 2020 and there’s no way I’m buying another new truck for $50k I’ll just buy used
@edfarley4560
@edfarley4560 5 ай бұрын
You should be thankful
@ChristopherTreadway
@ChristopherTreadway 4 ай бұрын
Prices from 2019 to 2020 jumped nearly 10k. But so did used. I had a 2020 Laramie that was 49k. In one year it appreciated to 57k. They gave me 50k on a trade for a 22 Laramie that listed at 58k. I just traded my 22 Laramie for a 25 Loaded Big Horn that retailed at 61k. So the prices since 2020 have increased, but the big jump was from 2019 to 2022. It’s tapered off a bit now believe it or not. Still ridiculous when I think of my first car…a 76 Dodge Aspen for $800! 😂😂
@rajlowkie6616
@rajlowkie6616 4 ай бұрын
It was in the 70's 55mph was introduced, am a RETIRED slave and just loving enjoying the $ SAVINGS $ of operating vehicle expenses, ❤the road, you know how's running a company's vehicle.
@madhatter9001
@madhatter9001 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, way overpriced if you ask me.
@MrBakerskate1
@MrBakerskate1 4 ай бұрын
I don’t know about you guys but in Ohio, I got a hurricane level 2 big horn with towing group for $48k with 4x4. Best truck I’ve ever owned
@evo1video
@evo1video 7 ай бұрын
60k plus for a big horn/lone star is crazy.
@smashingken1
@smashingken1 Ай бұрын
I had one for 2 weeks it's worth it
@jamesallen7205
@jamesallen7205 7 ай бұрын
Bought a 25 bighorn night edition i now have 1600 miles on it so far no issues...plenty power..comfortable ride and cabin im getting around 23-24 on my trips to work...no rattling or wind noise so far its doing good 👍 🤞
@robertsun8922
@robertsun8922 7 ай бұрын
What axle gear is your truck? Thanks
@jamesallen7205
@jamesallen7205 7 ай бұрын
@@robertsun8922 3.55
@jamesallen7205
@jamesallen7205 7 ай бұрын
@@robertsun8922 3.55
@chrish1057
@chrish1057 7 ай бұрын
What'd you pay?
@jamesallen7205
@jamesallen7205 7 ай бұрын
@chrish1057 61k sticker..i paid 55k
@Oheeeoh
@Oheeeoh 5 ай бұрын
I have a '17 Ram 1500 4x4 with the Hemi. I get 21-22MPG's going back and forth to Vegas. My truck is paid for so I can actually afford to put gas in it. I'm never paying over 50k for a pick up truck. Keeping my old one forever.
@Chadski-22
@Chadski-22 2 ай бұрын
I have a '20, getting the same. the hurricane doesn't get better mpg, and you have to use premium fuel. Silly EPA.
@victormtzc
@victormtzc 5 ай бұрын
I built the machines, which assembly the Head Sub Assembly. I think Stellantis were putting the best components and process to the heads, they even use Plasma Spray. Engine is being Built in Saltillo North, right of the same spot that the HEMI line is located. The process started on 2021, so it has been long time we finally see the product out there. I guess it was a lot of validation on many different parts of the engine. It should be a great engine.
@MichaelB-xg7ic
@MichaelB-xg7ic 2 ай бұрын
Just purchased a 2025 Bighorn Night Edition in Georgia for 50k. Couldn’t be happier so far.
@duggydo
@duggydo 7 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with the small turbo engines being less consistent.
@bryane2857
@bryane2857 7 ай бұрын
Still good mpg doing 75mph
@vr4787
@vr4787 7 ай бұрын
@@bryane2857 not really my Ram 1500 Classic Hemi will do 21 mpg at 75 mph. 23-25 mpg if I keep it at 70 mph on a 250 mile trip with lots of inclines and hills.
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
Not as consistent but for the power still better overall for most people. This can be seen on Fuelly. Some people like to point out for example that Ford's 5.0 and 3.5 get essentially the same overall mileage but they fail to mention just how much more performance the 3.5 offers.
@bryane2857
@bryane2857 7 ай бұрын
@@vr4787 Your Ram HEMI is significantly down on Power and Torq, so I would say this is pretty good. Personally I will and have taken the NA engine over the Turbos, and I am waiting for GM's new small block for my next truck.
@mcmuskie2563
@mcmuskie2563 7 ай бұрын
I have the Ford 3.5 Turbo, have to say the mileage is pretty solid, helps its aluminum body makes it 600lbs lighter.
@LordBass
@LordBass 7 ай бұрын
I like the design, I like that it still has analog gauges, but this plain spec sure looks like $47k, not $67k.
@fit4ya1975
@fit4ya1975 7 ай бұрын
I emailed 3 different RAM Dealers with a few simple questions on Autotrader. The first one wouldn't answer my question on the 24'Ram and just tried to get me to the dealership. Never heard from the other 2. I guess they don't want to sell any trucks. The past few years it seems these dealers do not want to sell trucks very bad. Maybe its a blessing.
@Jay-bw3fl
@Jay-bw3fl 7 ай бұрын
They probably don’t want to talk through a third party just call or go up there
@fit4ya1975
@fit4ya1975 7 ай бұрын
@@Jay-bw3fl Then they shouldn't advertise on it. I've bought over 40 vehicles from Autotrader over the years. Never had dealers ignore me, ever.
@alan297
@alan297 7 ай бұрын
No 2024 5.7l hemi 1500 4x4 could be found in my home state so I contacted a large SLC Utah dealer...he had 98, and just 2 in color and quad cab body I wanted. With factory and dealer discounts it was more than $10k below msrp. Loving my 20mpg hemi!
@mlo5083
@mlo5083 4 ай бұрын
Don't worry. Stellantis is cooked. I just fear for buyers in this end stage as to what quality they will get? Those last units are never good.
@fit4ya1975
@fit4ya1975 4 ай бұрын
@@alan297 Only problem is Ram has raised MSRP 50% in the past 5 years. So 10G off isnt a deal anymore.
@AltTechFan
@AltTechFan 7 ай бұрын
The median family income in the USA for "23 was $74k according to the Census Bureau. That is only slightly more than the as-tested price here. Does it seem wise to spend a whole year's income on a depreciating item (even if it spread out over 6 or 7 years)? My answer for most people is no, not this truck or any brand new one (with the possible exception of the Maverick). Instead, buy one 3 or 4 model years old (often coming back from a lease) for around 50% of the sticker then which may be 60% or more of a discount to the MSRP for the current model year. Make this your standard plan vehicle after vehicle and in 20 or 30 years you'll be much, much more wealthy.
@patrickking2550
@patrickking2550 7 ай бұрын
Even used pickups are completely overpriced, Kelly Blue Book is owned by the auto industry, that is part of the issue.
@karlschauff7989
@karlschauff7989 7 ай бұрын
@@patrickking2550 I've seen some great deals recently on used trucks. A 2019 Silverado RST with 35k miles, dealer asking $35k. A 2021 Ram 1500 Laramie with 55k miles, dealer asking $35k. Those are fairly reasonable prices. We don't live in 2002 anymore. The truck market is where it is and no matter what a bunch of grumpy old timers insist needs to happen, truck prices (new or used) are not doing to decline 50% no matter what.
@ronstowe8898
@ronstowe8898 7 ай бұрын
When you put the blinkers on to turn, and you are less than 25 mph, the fog light on the side you are turning lights up for you to see around the corner.
@agentstevehaines9164
@agentstevehaines9164 7 ай бұрын
The straight 6 is an inherently great design whether its NA, Turbo gas, or Diesel. This is the most interesting thing Ram has done in years and its no surprise after GM's slam dunk on the 3.0 Duramax and Rams own failure with the v6 ecodiesel. The numbers make me skeptical of reliability with that much power in such a small engine. And there is no question that having no oil dipstick is completely unacceptable.
@robweaver1923
@robweaver1923 7 ай бұрын
I had a 2006 BMW that had no dispstick.
@karlschauff7989
@karlschauff7989 7 ай бұрын
​@@robweaver1923 Trucks are owned by the type of people that want to be able to get an accurate measurement of how much oil is in the oil pan. The average BMW owner doesn't care because they won't pop the hood once during the lease period.
@ajmedeiros77
@ajmedeiros77 6 ай бұрын
All of this! Love all my straight 6 engines I’ve ever had and was excited for dodge. But no dipstick is a no go for me. One more sensor to go bad and replace. What a mistake
@pcihector
@pcihector 6 ай бұрын
Maybe those engines can't have a dipstick because blowby would push them up?
@agentstevehaines9164
@agentstevehaines9164 6 ай бұрын
@@ajmedeiros77 Yessir i just got the LZ0 3.0 Duramax and im over the moon about how cool it is. Absolutely perfect 1500 set up unless the only thing you care about is 0-60 and will suffer 14mpg to get it... Im actually okay with the digital oil level sensor i think its pretty cool. But they REALLY should have kept the dipstick too
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 7 ай бұрын
Lets hope Ram's inline 6 TT doesn't suffer the same reliability disaster as the v6 TT in the new Tundra's.
@imfloridano5448
@imfloridano5448 7 ай бұрын
It is having issues already according to forums. The Wagoneer with the I6 3.0 TT when it fails with very low mileage they have to lift the entire cabin off the frame to repair it.
@claysmurthwaite2386
@claysmurthwaite2386 7 ай бұрын
Or Fords garbage
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
@@claysmurthwaite2386 Millions of Ecoboosts are out there on the road, many with hundreds of thousands of miles on them. No they aren't perfect but they certainly aren't garbage. They are actually better than the previous 5.4 V8.
@claysmurthwaite2386
@claysmurthwaite2386 7 ай бұрын
​@@plmn93they are terrible engines. Fine for soccer moms, but if you actually want to use them as a 4x4 vehicle they are crap. Between the stabilitrac that is never really off over 35km and the turbo lag, they suck. Worst truck motor there is.. yes there fine for a certain demographic, but not as a real truck engine. Mine didn't last more then 10 months before I traded it in. GM of the biggest dealership in Vancouver said Ford knows about all there problems but will do nothing about it. Literally said I should have bought a 3/4 ton if I wanted a real truck..😂😂😂.. no should have just bout a chev or ram...
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
@@claysmurthwaite2386 You can claim whatever you want, but there are well documented metrics from all the reputable sources that prove how well Ecoboosts perform doing truck things, along with my own anecdotal evidence. So I'm not going to waste anymore time with your claims. Have a good day.
@hynsum
@hynsum 7 ай бұрын
5:11 "no dipstick" Just fantastic. Thanks a lot Stellantis!?
@jaketherake71
@jaketherake71 4 ай бұрын
I have a 2011 Porsche 911 without a dipstick. It works fine, never had a problem with it. Until I did. I almost added too much oil, until I realized it wasn't reading correctly. It wasn't accurate anymore at 100K. Stupid ass idea, what was wrong with the dipstick?
@adamsmiths3016
@adamsmiths3016 4 ай бұрын
We all just need to go to the dealership ask them for trucks only with dipsticks just to stick it to them.
@madhatter9001
@madhatter9001 3 ай бұрын
No dipsticks, they must all be in the home office.
@Jay-bw3fl
@Jay-bw3fl 7 ай бұрын
Tim, pretty sure you can disable the remote start honks in the screen menu.
@tykhien-m3b
@tykhien-m3b 3 ай бұрын
i just bought the 2025 hurricane 2 month ago and my gas avg between 18-19 mpg combine. Every time i fill up it show that it can drive up to 508 mile before empty. However the most i can drive is around 385 miles with 30+ miles to empty. But when i fill up. It only take 21 gallons instead of 24-25, this is a 26 gallon tank. This mean that i still have around 5 gallon left and that should let me drive another 100 miles. But too afraid to take chances. i also notice that my milage range to empty will only show low miles when i restart the energy after it below 50 miles. For example, when the range miles show that i have 43 miles to empty. Then stop at a friend house turn off my engine. Later on i restart the engine and the milage range will only show the word low mileages to empty. it will not show how many miles to empty until i refill the gas tank.,
@billleith7110
@billleith7110 5 ай бұрын
I got 20 MPG in 1975 with my 1970 full size Mercury Meteor 302 V8 (5.0 litre) I cant believe todays pickups cant do better.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 5 ай бұрын
20? That’s pretty incredible. I get 12 in my ‘62.
@MikeekiM-vh5se
@MikeekiM-vh5se 2 ай бұрын
My 1968 Chrysler 300 2 door hardtop with a 440 4bbl and 2.94 rear axle gets 21 mpg hwy..I average 15 mpg city/hwy but its so fun to open it up then it gets 10 city and average 12 mpg,but driven normally and a few full throttle romps it averages in the 15's.. My 71 Challenger with a 383 Magnum with 3.23 gearing ,I managed 25 mpg...again driving 55 mph.
@drewthompson7457
@drewthompson7457 Ай бұрын
The new trucks are much bigger, less streamlined, and much heavier. All impact mpg.
@scottymoondogjakubin4766
@scottymoondogjakubin4766 7 ай бұрын
To test the oil level sensor it should be full KOEO ! At idle it should be a a lil lower and driving even lower ! Some trucks are already reported to have been overfilled and underfilled ! Who's the dipstick that decided the truck didnt need one ?
@beexiong2995
@beexiong2995 7 ай бұрын
The B58 bmw motor has no dipstick either. Collaboration with the Germans? 😂
@SR-dh1vj
@SR-dh1vj 7 ай бұрын
@@beexiong2995 Our Audi S5 doesn't either. It does however have a place for one. I bought an aftermarket dip stick for it and oil catch can.
@jeffhudson2346
@jeffhudson2346 7 ай бұрын
No dipstick, guess we don't need to see oil contamination in time to avoid catastrophic failure.
@cjr4497
@cjr4497 6 ай бұрын
I've been having Rams since they became ram trucks. I was always a GM guy. I couldn't part with my ram truck no matter how good looking on the outside some of the GMCs are. All of my Ford and GM buddies have had way more issues than I have. None of them, not a single one talks shit anymore.
@T410ce
@T410ce 5 ай бұрын
Rams are definitely the most reliable full size truck out there at the moment… ZF transmission is nearly bulletproof; however they should not have gotten rid of the hemi engine.
@alp3781
@alp3781 Ай бұрын
25 Laramie pack 1, bed pack and sport pack, 62K out the door. Love this truck. Driving all other big guy's truck and Tundra, the RAM was a no brainer for me. IMO, the best ride ever. Escalade with a bed. I don't care that she sounds like an SUV. This block is so powerful, so smooth, unreal.
@GoodSamLegend
@GoodSamLegend 7 ай бұрын
Ram has an opportunity to become the number 1 pickup truck maker in terms of reliability considering how bad the other manufacturers are doing now, but will they do that?
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 7 ай бұрын
The quality of the 2019-2024 generation has been very good. I don't imagine they will go back to their old ways as people are finally coming around to trusting them again.
@ohioguy4326
@ohioguy4326 7 ай бұрын
@@shazmodeus2795 yes 4th gen had great quality as well started in 2011 when Ram became it's own brand.
@claysmurthwaite2386
@claysmurthwaite2386 7 ай бұрын
Should have kept the hemi as an option.. these will be plagued with issues, just like the Ford garbage.. I will take 1 or 2 mpg less for a reliable v8 any day. Also these small displacement engines take a hug mpg hut when lifting, bigger tires, towing.. When I traded my Ford 3.5 ecocrap in after 10 months of issues for a ram, both leveled on 35s, my mpg went up 2-4 mpg.. these engines suck..
@risby1930
@risby1930 6 ай бұрын
The French are shutting Dodge and the truck line slowly down. Keeping only Jeep.
@allanstriber5272
@allanstriber5272 4 ай бұрын
Don't worry the others are shit... Ram has improved since branched off on own... Now back in the days we're the absolutely the worst
@Brunoinski
@Brunoinski 7 ай бұрын
I just drove over 700 miles in my 2023 Ram HEMI I got 20.1 with half on the e way. I will keep my HEMI
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel 7 ай бұрын
And if you had the power of a 6.4 hemi who would get significantly less. The new 3.0 standard has more power than the 6.4, and gets better milage. When the engines break in they will get better mileage. The 3.0 high output actually flirts with supercharged V8 power.
@Engineer-Machinist
@Engineer-Machinist 6 ай бұрын
Was that calculated at the pump or going by the lie-o-meter?
@Mck499
@Mck499 6 ай бұрын
​@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel ram openly says it doesn't meet the same level of the 6.4
@Tc-ev9dd
@Tc-ev9dd 6 ай бұрын
Hemis are solid and i had very little issues with mine.
@Tc-ev9dd
@Tc-ev9dd 6 ай бұрын
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevelthats true but all these companies are having issues with these turbo charged engines.
@edniemyjski3303
@edniemyjski3303 5 ай бұрын
i have a 2021 ram bighorn eco hemi took it out west to montana and got 24.5 mpg on the interstate going 80mph and avg 20mpg around my farm in wisc been a great truck so far it was around 38500.00 new i think they went back words with that 6cyl.
@mikegrantham7440
@mikegrantham7440 7 ай бұрын
I have never had issues getting good fuel economy out of turbo-charged engines. We have a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe with 2.0L turbo that consistently gets 27 to 29 mpg hwy on the gas engine alone. Though a strong head wind does affect it more than other vehicles I've owned. I think mostly due to aerodynamics and weight of the vehicle with the hybrid batteries. However, with the hybrid drivetrain doing mostly in town driving, we have driven over 800 miles on a tank of gas in it. Most of the turbo-charged vehicles I have owned were/are all Mopars. My 86 Daytona Turbo Z consistently gets 24 mpg in town with a 3 spd automatic even when driving it pretty hard laying into that boost. And they have all been very reliable vehicles.
@JHuffPhoto
@JHuffPhoto 7 ай бұрын
I am 100% for having an oil level sensor on any combustion engine. However did they really save much by omitting the dipstick? Make the dipstick optional I would pay an extra $50 for a redundant way to ensure my oil level is not low. The dipstick does not have any downsides and in reality it probably costs the manufacturer a few cents to add. Time will tell if the SST is going to be reliable. I suspect that after the first few years they will work out the bugs and it will be a fine powerplant. I still love my 22 Limited with the HEMI and this does not tempt me to trade it in.
@Bradimus1
@Bradimus1 7 ай бұрын
Seems like pretty good mileage for where you are driving it and going 75.
@plmn93
@plmn93 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, my 2.7 EcoBoost will get 24-25 at 60 MPH and I've done as well as 29, but at 75 I'm lucky to hit 20. Because physics.
@Bradimus1
@Bradimus1 7 ай бұрын
@@plmn93 I had a 2016 with the 2.7 and the same experience. The big red brick could only do so well!
@Bigs73
@Bigs73 7 ай бұрын
I'll hold on to my 2021 Classic Hemi for much longer. Thanks for posting this and great idea to upgrade to the RHO, when time comes, I'll do the same! 👍👍
@muskyhunter8086
@muskyhunter8086 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t get that model when you get RHO for similar money. If reliable, the RHO is a game changer.
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel 7 ай бұрын
Bingo
@CTECH-REVIEW
@CTECH-REVIEW 7 ай бұрын
RHO is a game changer!
@rrpence21
@rrpence21 6 ай бұрын
No the TRX was a gamechanger. RHO ain't sht. Nothing special, wayyyy overpriced. Better off buying a used trx than a new rho
@muskyhunter8086
@muskyhunter8086 6 ай бұрын
@@rrpence21 I guess that’s your opinion, but the TRX costs $30K to $50K more than the RHO new. For the price, the RHO is a good value. Still delivers over 500 hp and has even more options than a TRX.
@bwimbwim4206
@bwimbwim4206 3 ай бұрын
Why not just get a limited with the same motor and way more features? ​@@muskyhunter8086
@DaveInCanada081
@DaveInCanada081 7 ай бұрын
Well, I don't know about you guys(and Jill) but I think its worth every penny and very good value for the money.
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel 7 ай бұрын
Next Level
@qdogbenson3112
@qdogbenson3112 7 ай бұрын
Disagree
@jeffreybullen8411
@jeffreybullen8411 3 ай бұрын
I am apparently one of the fortunate ones to pick up the $63k 2025 Ram Big Horn for $53k Traded my Silverado 2.7L Custom Rally Edition. This RAM has every feature the Chevy had, but also more power, dual transfer case, sliding rear window, parking sensors with auto braking, adaptive cruise control, steering mounted controls, and the same MPG -- about 21 so far. Have yet to tow my 28 foot Roadmaster trailer, but I'm likely to get better than 7.7- 9 MPG the Chevy 2.7L got.
@camaro1139
@camaro1139 7 ай бұрын
For that price.....i will keep my 19.
@tomfox1751
@tomfox1751 3 күн бұрын
I've been considering buying a new Laramie if the rumors are true and prices drop by 35% but hard to justify dumping my '17 Ecodiesel at 30 mpg on a trip like you just took and an overall of ~27mpg. Add in 5.5% sales tax here in Maine ($2750-3000) and excise tax (based on sticker regardless of what you pay for it--~$1500 for the first year) and it makes it hard to justify even if I can get a $70k vehicle for $50k.
@kyrosmike
@kyrosmike 7 ай бұрын
I swear eco mode on any turbo engines should just make sure wastegate of turbos stays open then never builds any boost
@mcmuskie2563
@mcmuskie2563 7 ай бұрын
Hmm, I think it would lug allot..
@SM-og9pt
@SM-og9pt 7 ай бұрын
The small block v8 requires more fuel to maintain idle than the small displacement turbo engines. So it makes sense the smaller displacement engine is better at “downhill mpg”. When the small turbo displacement gets put under load “uphill”it acts more like a big block in power and consumption. NA small block with cylinder deactivation tried to due this but GM DFM/AFM failures and “Hemi tick” warranty repairs has scared OEMs away from messing with cylinder deactivation. Market wants MPG and power in new trucks.
@Link-we8so
@Link-we8so 7 ай бұрын
Man I wish it got better fuel economy. Then I could justify the crazy complex engine. But as it sets the v8 will be missed
@robweaver1923
@robweaver1923 7 ай бұрын
I'll be keeping my 2020 Tundra Platinum with the bullet-proof 5.7.
@MYDOGOG
@MYDOGOG 6 ай бұрын
As you should. I had the 2020 Platinum but traded it in for the 21 Lunar Pro
@seanvandergriff7161
@seanvandergriff7161 5 ай бұрын
I had a 2019 Platinum Tundra that I traded for a 2022 Ram Laramie. I made the swap because I sold my Tundra for 1k more than I originally paid for it, and I got the Ram with 0% for 72 mos. I wanted to get a "new" truck before I was forced into hybridization and even more safety nannies. I hope my Ram, which now has less than 32k miles on it, last many, many more years.
@mistriyamaric
@mistriyamaric 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like vacuum cleaner comparing to my TRX 😀 Nice video anyway, like your reviews 🤘
@stephencannon3140
@stephencannon3140 7 ай бұрын
It has only been six months but so far I am impressed with the Hurricane TY Inline 6……..Power is there and very minimal turbo lag. Even cruising in mid 70’s the ride is solid, smooth and minimal road NVH. I still say that the inline engine and “centerline” thrust helps in cutting down vibration and noise. Granted mine is a Grand Wagoneer but definitely a decent engine. The lack of dipstick is definitely a “Zonk” In my opinion but a learning curve that eventually owners will adapt to. I was skeptical about the power running boards but again, I am getting Used to being spoiled. I have my HEMI fix with my Charger Daytona!! I feel safe and comfortable AA d as long as your eyes stay about 3-5 minutes ahead of the vehicle and traffic, you should be fine. My remarks are about the Hurricane engine and JGW, but same engine and is planned to be the next “Global Platform ICE with a simple addition of the two extra cylinders and the second Tirbo. One other drawback besides the no oil dipstick is the Direct Injection engine…..sorry fight all you want , but it’s the way of the future for ICE e gone to be the future as long as we fight to keep the option. 50-60-75K+ mileage engine could be a good investment in SeaFoam but until then should be turn and burn! I am not basing the RM Pickups, just I am a four door SUV person!
@jtampa3
@jtampa3 26 күн бұрын
That cold start is something to get use to, Definitely not a Hemi roar🤔
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 7 ай бұрын
Hey I will the Hemi. Thought they would have did an update upgrade on the Hemi. Looking and hearing about this new Hurricane with turbo’s hoping it will be a nice dependable hard working engine.
@mikewracher9511
@mikewracher9511 6 ай бұрын
The mpg calculation in these trucks is averaging recent instantaneous as far as I can tell. For instance using the trip meter in my 2022 between 400mi fill ups, the truck calculated 28.7mpg, old school gallons and miles driven, I calculated 25.7 - wildly different. If you want to know what your truck is really doing, calculate it yourself.
@cle5823
@cle5823 6 ай бұрын
You never mentioned what the final drive gear ratio was in that truck. It can make a big difference. My 4th gen Ram had 3:21 gears and averaged around 21.5 mpg & my 5th gen has 3:92 gears and averages around 20.5 and it drops quickly depending on the environment. The 4th gen stayed more consistent.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 6 ай бұрын
Not anymore. With 10-speed transmissions, the final drive ratio is close to the same these days.
@cle5823
@cle5823 6 ай бұрын
​@@Pickuptrucktalkit might matter less than it used to, but the steeper the gears are in the differential, the more RPM's the motor will be running compared to the same vehicle that has a higher gear ratio in the differential.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 6 ай бұрын
@@cle5823 that’s the way it used to be until more transmission gears were added. Now the trucks all shift more often and run lower RPMs at all speeds.
@cle5823
@cle5823 6 ай бұрын
I'm comparing 8 speeds to 8 speeds but with different axle gear ratios from truck to truck. It does matter otherwise they wouldn't offer different axle gear rato options to choose from and it will change mpg.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 6 ай бұрын
@@cle5823 I’ve talked with GM, Ford and Ram about it. There’s no difference. The larger rear axle is really only for getting off the line better when towing and tow/haul mode which locks out the top 2 transmission gears for 10 speed transmissions.
@garymiller1977
@garymiller1977 7 ай бұрын
Love the truck, but can they sell them with all the 2024’s still on dealer lots.
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 7 ай бұрын
with 23s and 22s as well
@larrybundy3783
@larrybundy3783 2 ай бұрын
No
@stuartyablon7184
@stuartyablon7184 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the pics of Scotts Bluff. Really cool place, but watch out for the rattlers!
@1gr8oil
@1gr8oil 5 ай бұрын
Another GREAT Video Tim! I like the new Ram 1500 with the 3.0 twin turbo, as it has some good engineering features, like NO EXHAUST Manifolds, and the Turbos are mounted directly to the Engine block.
@compactc9
@compactc9 6 ай бұрын
I just don't understand why they had to remove the dipstick entirely. I can understand including the sensor, but for what these damn trucks cost, they could include the dipstick too.
@ryansheard8092
@ryansheard8092 7 ай бұрын
Although I grew up with checking the oil and doing maintenence myself, newer vehicles require sooo much less of that. I haven't cheched the oil level in my '21 F150, maybe ever and in my wifes Explorer, maybe once. Id ask anyone thats freaking out, how many times have you checkwd the oil level in your 5 year old vehicle and NEEDED to add oil? Its really not that high a %.
@TomStarcevich-fb3qo
@TomStarcevich-fb3qo 7 ай бұрын
I always check my 🛢 oil I drive a 2021ram1500 classic check ✔️ your oil 🛢 buddy 👍🛻
@ryansheard8092
@ryansheard8092 7 ай бұрын
@@TomStarcevich-fb3qo and how many times has it been dangerously low?
@TomStarcevich-fb3qo
@TomStarcevich-fb3qo 7 ай бұрын
@ryansheard8092 never but I do a lot of towing my fishing boat so I always check to be safe . It's up to you have a good evening 🛻👍
@MrRGiller
@MrRGiller 7 ай бұрын
I check my oil level about once a week when I fill my tank with gas. I enjoy doing that
@jeffs2809
@jeffs2809 7 ай бұрын
I actually check it pretty regularly. My Ram Cummins, I bought new and have done all of the services on it myself, has been fine. I just bought a used 22 f150, & don’t know how it was treated before I got it. Oil level has been ok, but I’m still checking it. My company truck is an f350 with the powerstroke diesel, i think it might be gaining oil, so I have some concerns about fuel dilution. I’ve seen more than enough modern vehicles with oil consumption issues leading to very costly repairs. I have no interest in joining them.
@ramcharger1978
@ramcharger1978 7 ай бұрын
I cannot use a 6 cylinder gas engines in my trucks, I need a V8 and or diesel for towing trailers and vehicles. 6’s are extremely under powered for my needs.
@scotbabb4606
@scotbabb4606 7 ай бұрын
What rear gear? 3:55 or 3:92? I am assuming with all the tow stuff it is a 3:92
@calebniederhofer6529
@calebniederhofer6529 23 күн бұрын
I had the exact same question. Frustrating to not know lol. I am looking at buying one with the 3:92. I drove it and it is a great motor and combination.
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 7 ай бұрын
I have the trailer backup steering on my 2022 Ram 1500 and I use it with my toy hauler camper every time I take a trip. Is it necessary? No. Is it super nice to have? Sure is.
@justaviewer111
@justaviewer111 7 ай бұрын
Ram has really raised their game in the last decade. I hope this engine doesn't fall on it's face like most of their others. This could be a great time for Ram with Toyota falling on their face with the Tundra (and soon Tacoma). If Ford wasn't having some QC issues, THEY would be in first place but they slipped a little so Ram ... time to step up. Too bad Ram is clueless with their stupid high prices.
@allanstriber5272
@allanstriber5272 4 ай бұрын
They went from worst to first
@brians.1357
@brians.1357 7 ай бұрын
The headlights come one when you remote start?? I could see the parking lights but why the low beam headlights?? That’s annoying! Wonder if there is a setting for that ?
@muskyhunter47
@muskyhunter47 7 ай бұрын
Just bought a GMC AT4 with the Mini diesel. So far great truck. Looked at ford but decided on the 3.0 diesel. Out of the big 3 doge is my last choice
@Ryan-st7hq
@Ryan-st7hq Ай бұрын
You can buy this truck in MN for $45k now
@coachvonyo
@coachvonyo 7 ай бұрын
Guess we should monitor battery/alternator voltage with an under hood terminal clip on reader vs. a voltage gauge in cab? Maybe we should have a mercury thermometer under the hood to read water temps vs an in cab gauge? How about oil pressure monitored only by looking at an engine block screw in reader versus an in cab gauge? I can go on and on. The ability to easily check your oil level anytime without popping the hood from the comfort of the cab deviates from the norm, but if you stop and think about it, what's one more electrical system in a sea of them? Love or hate it ehatever, but i think sometimes we just like to bitch about things, and im not immune from that either. But I personally like this. And the rotary shift knob!
@selfcarefordudes
@selfcarefordudes 7 ай бұрын
Nice truck. Looks like the new Laramie with that stitched dash and features. Should sell for $8-10k off sticker, solid value.
@glennv5906
@glennv5906 7 ай бұрын
Surprised to hear you refer to the onboard computer for fuel economy, they are notoriously inaccurate. My 2017 Ram & 2023 F150 are typically off by at least 2mpg. $67K should be a Laramie trim.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
I’ve never had an issue. I’ve done click to click tests on paper and computer. It is always very close.
@compactc9
@compactc9 6 ай бұрын
I guess my opinion on the fuel economy, I only care that my truck gets what is typical for that model, as anything much worse suggests I have a problem with it.
@ChrisHariis
@ChrisHariis 4 ай бұрын
No dipstick is the worst idea ever. There are instances where no dip stick for a sealed transmission. In what world would a fairly smart and curious owner of a vehicle not want to make sure fluids were full? Rams are notorious for oil burning, loss. The dipstick is quite important to checking the quality and the volume of the oil.
@robnowe5464
@robnowe5464 7 ай бұрын
Simple fix... keep the new method and return the dip stick as well. Keep the customers happy.
@NeilParkerTX
@NeilParkerTX 22 күн бұрын
$67K is insane for a Lone Star trim level!
@charlesmonroe569
@charlesmonroe569 7 ай бұрын
Gonna keep my 2017 Longhorn, Looks like Ram just priced themselves out the market.
@adamg3911
@adamg3911 7 ай бұрын
They should make a TT 5.7L DOHC truck.
@Bradimus1
@Bradimus1 7 ай бұрын
For what.
@adamg3911
@adamg3911 7 ай бұрын
To bring back the TRX and other SRT vehicles with better performance and better fuel economy.
@Bradimus1
@Bradimus1 7 ай бұрын
@@adamg3911 there is no way you're getting better performance and fuel economy out of that. Make a lighter smaller truck.
@jedwin4816
@jedwin4816 7 ай бұрын
An Aluminum block like everybody else and direct injection might have kept the good 'ol HEMI V8 relevant for a few more years.
@adamg3911
@adamg3911 7 ай бұрын
@@Bradimus1 compare what I said with Ford’s 5.2L predator. What I compared the hypothetical “5.7L TT DOHC” to was the 6.2L hellcat engine that’s in the TRX, and that it would get potentially better fuel economy & power than 6.2”.
@PKDesigns2011
@PKDesigns2011 7 ай бұрын
thx for the vid. great review. truck looks neat ... be honest this is in HD price territory so for me it just make more sense to get one of those at these price points ...
@pablochacon40
@pablochacon40 7 ай бұрын
I’m a big fan of the straight 6 cylinder engines. I had plenty of ford f150s and broncos and jeeps but this straight 6 cylinder has been proven not reliable early on. It will take a while to get them to be reliable.
@chasingexcellence2246
@chasingexcellence2246 6 ай бұрын
Everything I have seen online shows the new six doesn’t get as good of mileage as the hemi and it’s a no for me on the dipstick.
@rogerspalding5673
@rogerspalding5673 5 ай бұрын
Tim, why didn't you turn on the fog lights with the low beams when you were doing the light demo? On most of my own vehicles equipped with fog lights, I've found the fog lights fill in an area about 4' to 6' directly in front of the front bumper while the head lights are set on low beam.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 5 ай бұрын
Always something else to film. Easy thing to miss.
@dumestremike2
@dumestremike2 7 ай бұрын
You should really fill up and divide the number of actual miles per gallons to get true number. I find that on my 18 3500 the true number is always worse than what the computer shows.
@TREVORJB101
@TREVORJB101 7 ай бұрын
So we have to go to Texas to find a Lone Star or is it the same truck with a stupid name?
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 7 ай бұрын
Texas = Lonestar; 49 other states + Canada = Bighorn.
@TC-ok4ng
@TC-ok4ng 6 ай бұрын
ill keep my 3.6 305 hp 1500 ram it does just fine
@bradhodgkinson7996
@bradhodgkinson7996 7 ай бұрын
Glad it has analog gages,I would take that dumb step off the back , wish they would get rid of the dial shifter and go to center console shifter.
@texandy89
@texandy89 7 ай бұрын
or column shifter I'm with you I hate the dial shifter I can't stand people trying to reinvent the shifter and also reinvent the steering wheel like Tesla's ugly looking steering wheel. the truck I would like to get is the Dodge Ram from the movie Twister that Bill Paxton drove in the movie.
@Lee-go1ss
@Lee-go1ss 7 ай бұрын
Center console shifter is a waste of space.
@texandy89
@texandy89 7 ай бұрын
@@Lee-go1ss well then Column shifter is the best option
@bradhodgkinson7996
@bradhodgkinson7996 7 ай бұрын
@@Lee-go1ss not when it folds down into the console.
@Lee-go1ss
@Lee-go1ss 7 ай бұрын
@@bradhodgkinson7996 it’s still literally taking up space. I drive a f-150. And you only put it down when parked and not driving.
@JJJ5.7
@JJJ5.7 7 ай бұрын
You can turn off the beeping for remote start. Tim you know when you get into the turbo boost these engine suck the gas. Not in the boost they get better mpg.
@jaysson1151
@jaysson1151 7 ай бұрын
So when you say the V8s are getting consistent fuel mileage on that drive, are they getting consistently bad, good, or so-so mileage? Been driving the same gen1 Ecoboost F150 for going on 12 years now, and its inconsistency in mpg still drives me up the wall!
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
Depends what you mean on good or bad? A new turbo will get better only in certain driving situations.
@dougpullman3699
@dougpullman3699 7 ай бұрын
You can get rid of the beeps with the auto start. I figured everyone knew that.😮
@edfarley4560
@edfarley4560 5 ай бұрын
The 2021 bighorn 1500 I bought rode good ,paint was a orange peel, the factory left the right rear bolts out of the latch then they aligned the front fender to the out of alignment front & rear door. Engine was underpowered , just buy a 2500 6.7 gas , mine gets 19.2 mpg better than the 1500 , which got 14 city 18 hwy
@BT-ld4wi
@BT-ld4wi 6 ай бұрын
I dont believe the big horn offers cooled seats, just heated. Can you confirm?
@robnowe5464
@robnowe5464 7 ай бұрын
How does it compare to the 2019 equivalent in price and otherwise?
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
Here's the video you want. A 2016 vs 2025: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWq3nWqnbJijn8k
@robertsun8922
@robertsun8922 7 ай бұрын
I assume with the tow package it has a 3.92 gear ratio?
@tinshield
@tinshield 7 ай бұрын
Would like to know this. There’s big variations with the gear ratios.
@calebniederhofer6529
@calebniederhofer6529 23 күн бұрын
@@tinshieldSame. This was my biggest question and can’t get an answer on here.
@WIL0277
@WIL0277 3 ай бұрын
My father bought a dodge twice in my life, I brought it three times. This guy sounds like every guy that doesn't drive rough with a truck. My first dodge was a 2011 Dodge Cummins, which broke down quicker than my 2009 6.4 Ford. Next was a 2019 dodge 1500 hemi drive it 100k and the motor never turned after I got done with work one day. Next was a 2022 dodge dually only 30k on it before major transmission issues, left me with a load of cattle for my little brother's 2004 6.0 powerstoke to finish the job. At least my 2009 ranch truck lasts longer than a new dodge truck, and it has 350k miles on that gas GMC 6.0. thinking about getting a new truck soon probably trade In my 2018 F350 in for a new F350. I was hope the 3.0 dodge would change my mind however every video people say how quick it is and the video before this said it doesn't have a dipstick, means the dealership has to probably do the oil change. It's becoming like the Chevy life long transmission, let me tell you my Malibu only had to get a Chevy technician to do the oil. I lost trust in people working on my vehicle because I was passing through Utah for a welding job in Wyoming once and my oil light came on in Salt lake. Took my 2013 F150 to the dealership and they fuck up the oil and somehow made my truck sluggish until I redid the oil once I got to my location. Also back in 2019 i had to get my headers done on my 09 Cummins because the oil started to leak so I gave it to a guy I know but later that year my cousin that is a Ford Diesel Tech had to overhaul it because that guy I know f it up bad. So like my grandpa said a new truck that drives smooth is a bad truck in a few months, also my grandpa had his 1972 F250 390 since he got out of the Army, crazy how my grandma drive her 1968 f100 2wheel drive truck out her my grandparents lived. Guess Ford's know how to make trucks back then and even now.
@johnb8267
@johnb8267 6 ай бұрын
Not having the dip stick isn't a big deal . l find myself not checking my oil anyways with the dip stick so maybe having the convenience of checking the onboard will be better for me
@kopfschuss881
@kopfschuss881 6 ай бұрын
paid 45 for my 20 laramie with the 5.7. Big horn for 65 feels insane haha.
@LAncegtavicer
@LAncegtavicer 7 ай бұрын
$67K for a bighorn is robbery
@jimhagan8913
@jimhagan8913 7 ай бұрын
It'll sell for 10k off that. Mine was 11k off
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix 7 ай бұрын
Especially with cloth seats!
@ryansheard8092
@ryansheard8092 7 ай бұрын
Based on what?
@msclecarcrzy
@msclecarcrzy 6 ай бұрын
My 14 ram hemi 5.7 gets 21-22 mpg with 3.92 gears. Also its a Laramie that only cost me 42k brand new. These prices since the so called "chip shortage" is rediculous
@gablamo013
@gablamo013 7 ай бұрын
That’s wild…my Tundra gets 17-19 with 35’s…before lift and tires I got 20+ all day. Not super efficient ram
@jeff06trx
@jeff06trx 7 ай бұрын
If you look at that truck from the from the front, you have a 4x4 sail on your port and starboard.
@2t713
@2t713 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for telling us those were golf clubs, had no idea.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
You are welcome! 😂
@leedanielson7452
@leedanielson7452 7 ай бұрын
It sounds like my grannies lawn mower.....
@ubeuonly
@ubeuonly 7 ай бұрын
And an ecopuus sounds better??
@thejmcGarage
@thejmcGarage 7 ай бұрын
@@ubeuonly 10x better!
@ubeuonly
@ubeuonly 7 ай бұрын
@@thejmcGarage as a Ford technician we've been laughing at those trucks since they hit the street
@tunnelvision2day
@tunnelvision2day 7 ай бұрын
Did you say that you have a short bed chwvy trailer?? (when talking about trailer back up)
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
Yes. What’s the question with that?
@tunnelvision2day
@tunnelvision2day 7 ай бұрын
@@Pickuptrucktalk what is a chevy trailer?
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 7 ай бұрын
@@tunnelvision2day take an S-10 and cut the frame between the cab and the bed. Then, weld a V and weld on a coupler. Cheap trailer.
@tunnelvision2day
@tunnelvision2day 7 ай бұрын
Haha.. I live in south GA.. I thought it was only us rednecks around here that did stuff like that!!! Anyways, I love your channel.. And also really appreciate you taking the time to respond to comments.. I think a little bit of engagement with us viewers, means alot.. Thanks..
@stephenwest798
@stephenwest798 7 ай бұрын
No dipstick, no buy! No can read the codes and fix myself, no buy! By by Ram!
@zxtenn
@zxtenn 5 ай бұрын
What they list for now and what they sell or even advertise for is a different story. I live in NC near Greensboro and been looking at a few 2025 Big Horns. I am looking at one that lists for 60 with the 3.0 420 hp and i can buy it for a bit under 50. I have a 2023 1500 classic quad cab Warlock with the 3.6, that listed for about 52 and i got it for just under 43 and its paid for, i would hate to take a 10-12 grand hit on a it being less than a year old and only 13,000 miles. Mine has several useful options like trailer hitch, 355 gears w limited slip, power seat and the better console, tow hooks, fogs, power rear window, etc. so it's not a total stripper, 4 hour drive and those seats are still very comfortable. the 3.6 is FINE and i don't consider it slow, naturally a HEMI is faster just like any 3.0 but for ME its fine, i didn't buy it to be a drag racer and i don't tow 5000 pounds which i think is just above the limit but i do use the 6 ft 4 bed from time to time. I had a BEDRUG installed which in my opinion looks so much better than a drop in liner, price is similar and the bottom has a 3/4 inch padding so i don't kill my knees if i need to crawl around, on top of the BEDRUG i put in one of those THICK rubber mats. My tailgate is also LIGHT, its AL, that's part of the reason. I would like to see the LONG TERM on the 3.0 twin turbo's and see after maybe 80,000 + no issues. Check out YITA motors running boards on ebay, i just put a set on mine and i paid under 200.00, super well made with quality powder coating.
@raymikes1234
@raymikes1234 7 ай бұрын
All those small displacement turbo engines, when you find it fast and get bad fuel economy, you are running it pretty hard and I don’t think they will last, but if you are sensible and get decent fuel economy, I think you will extend the life of that engine. The problem is when the second owner our third get one they really don’t know how it was really driven? So could be great or a lemon 😂
@thomascrompton7775
@thomascrompton7775 5 ай бұрын
2021 hemi e torque gets me 19 in hills 21 flat
@mlo5083
@mlo5083 4 ай бұрын
Does it have auto stop/start? Can it be deactivated if it has? I have yet to find ONE reviewer of ANY car that mentions this. Do you guys skip this on purpose? Or is there no more auto stop/start in any cars? You guys all know it's a deal breaker for many buyers.
@bdo9114
@bdo9114 3 ай бұрын
Was your fuel octane correct?
@almayberry538
@almayberry538 7 ай бұрын
I'm glad I bought a 2019 for what I thought was a high price then. I wouldn't pay that money now,especially without the V8. No way.
@calebniederhofer6529
@calebniederhofer6529 23 күн бұрын
Tim, A lot of comment and including mine, Is this the 3:92?
@jamesorr2832
@jamesorr2832 6 ай бұрын
Man that Lone Star sticker alone must be worth 10 grand more, and everybody gets 20+ MPG on all of them trucks, the 5.3, 5.6, 5.7 6.2, 6.4, 6.5, 6.6 6.7 all of them 3/4 and 1 Tons Yeah Right call it what it is B.S. 425 H.P @ 15000 RPM if it don't Blow. No oil stick whoa the Bun Boys won't like that Lol
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