Negative XP Seems Pretty Reasonable

[@DM-ly6lf]

negative xp makes me feel not alone for a second which is nice

[@k.8253]

u have issues🤣🤣

[@wildblueberry7]

Your not alone bro

[@vertigo2077]

I feel you bro

[@vertigo2077]

@@k.8253 Fuck you

[@NaughtyNisa]

that means ur a fucking loser and should change ur fucking filthy ways fucking loser

[@tommybrewsbreviews4183]

Yeah, pretty much. People make him out to be this monster but he's just some kid that wants to make funny haha music. Even my gf thinks the Ramona Flowers song is funny and she is one of those girls.

[@scienz]

@Coitus Handguns it has nothing to do with that. I hate the incel label. i get pussy. i love women. Negative XP just makes good Rock&Roll. He just knows whats up. Look at all his oldies covers. You can only be as good as your influences and NXP is on point.

[@scienz]

@Coitus HandgunsI love Up to the Wolves videos. They're great art. What other artist sounds like Negative XP? This man covers oldies that i thought only I liked. Im all for the misfit and outcasts. If we're so stuck on labels, how about calling it "out cast or misfit" core and not incelcore? 😂

[@slumpeddude2446]

As a fan of negative xp u have been one of the few people I've seen on the internet who's actually sat down and discussed negative xp who hasn't called his fans incels or misogynist loosers. We're just edgy people.

[@charlielookerNYC]

yeah I mean I'm honestly open to the idea that I could be wrong. I'm older so I'm not hands-on with all that post-4chan culture and I don't play video games. Maybe a big part of his fanbase are dangerous psychos, I'm not sure. But I was just surprised at how basically normal most of his stuff seemed. And that song MK Ultra Victim, I found that song actually kind of poignant. It felt like a window into a vulnerable side of a generation.

[@monkiplatts9224]

A little bit of autism doesn't hurt anybody

[@vonridel2318]

@@riseagain845 How are women marginalized? There are literally not only societal pushes to give them a more than equal chance at succeeding than men, there are also laws in place that aid them. They are more likely to be hired in a variety of high paying fields, as well as get into colleges. They are also more likely to be let off lighter or free for committing a crime. How in the world are women marginalized? They aren't the victims you claim them to be.

[@pvt_crunch2147]

@@riseagain845 You are delusional and have an extreme lack of morals. Please let Jesus into your heart.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

@@riseagain845 "but provocative stuff should target groups in power, not marginalized groups." Says who? Shooter makes the music he wants, he's not trying to be anything, counter-culture or otherwise.

[@coldvoid7579]

Shooter will really play into his "character" sometimes online to take the piss out of people who can't tell its a joke and thats typically where more of the "extreme" things about him come from

[@etherasux]

Negative XP is a chad

[@williamscerbo458]

can't say I vibe with his music at age 24 but I would've been listening to that stuff every day if it had been around when I was in high school

[@kat2282]

Did you listen to his music? Just curious

[@Soundeagle3456]

@@kat2282 he probably didn't, he's a normie.

[@fruitypeebils]

im 24 too and i can get behind it, but i guess i can understand why it doesnt work for you

[@IllD.]

wow an objective open-minded fair opinion. rare nowadays

[@AG-ne3rh]

your mom is disappointed

[@darkcat5649]

That’s what i was thinking

[@--..__]

Yeah his music is pretty normal. His Twitter makes him seems bit more insane tbh. People just don't like how he's positioned himself, and in the modern context criticism of women at all is always bad. So somehow being a run of the mill sexually frustrated teenage boy is politically subversive.

[@Soundeagle3456]

he's 22.

[@gotgunpowder]

@@Soundeagle3456 you don't become an adult until you reach 30 lmao

[@zach1173]

@@Soundeagle3456 older than that, I was in college with him 7 years ago

[@macalistermullen]

Negative xp is the natural progression of angst in the modernity. Up beat indie punk seems like a fairly healthy outlet for these guys imo.

[@factory7966]

i dont think most of shooters music can be framed to be much more than a venting of relatively normal fustrations. its not surprising that incels have latched onto someone who frequently refers to the online environment they grew up in, and i dont think shooter shares the same ideas as the majority of incels despite this. good vid

[@chieludz]

The incel lives matter in his instagram is literally just for ironic purposes lol,and he did say the trend "incelcore" is dumb

[@lulzee153]

It reminds me a lot of Japanther. Also, Shooter livestreams like every other day. Just watch his stream and you'll see he's a pretty chill dude who just loves making music.

[@lulzee153]

@@bigbachi6789 He streams on this site, KZbin. A site that specializes in letting users upload videos or go live to stream to their followers. You should check it out sometime.

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

The thing about Negative XP is he makes a lot of lonely depressed guys feel human without feeling vulnerable or humiliated. The biggest issue is of course that in the current internet landscape the media and cultural spheres have put up the poster of what they are allowed to mock, criticize, humiliate, and punch down, and it just happens that Negative XP flips that scenario into indifference and a comical "no, you're the weirdo" take on it.

[@chieludz]

Honestly his fans are a bunch of gaywads because half of the time you can see in soundcloud there are actual people who racist and misogynistic etc.lol

[@WeWuzSqueebles]

Interesting take from someone who I'd consider "across the pond" when it comes to viewpoints.

[@charlielookerNYC]

all my takes are interesting ;)

[@samcawley7608]

I'm probs not in negativexp's target fanbase, i'm a 29 year old australian who loved big black and mudhoney as a teenager and i really love his work, like you i find it really charming

[@GI.Jared1984]

It's not that they feel entitled to sex. they want love But you're not going to find love in a loveless age . Instead of believing propaganda about a group of people how about trying to have a conversation with them. Sex is very easy to love is not

[@gen-zboomer]

Negative XP isn't really like that, he's pretty light. As far as "blackpill" music goes, it's more about suicidal tendencies and a lack of a future rather than "agh I hate women" That's more in the realm of anhero, DethTech, PopKill, etc etc

[@anastasiastextingstories7636]

Shooter has songs like that too, like A Punk Song

[@anastasiastextingstories7636]

And “Life is an RPG and i F****d up my Build” unless those songs are satire he has pretty blackpilled music

[@Seeric85]

"Any hate is bad (...)." Strongly disagree. Hate is an emotion serving an important purpose. It doesn't suddenly come out of nowhere, it usually is earned. Hating e-girl thot culture, the ideology that led to it and the simps that support it is a healthy and reasonable reaction.

[@yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571]

@Just A guy locked

[@fermentedrat491]

nah, not at all. get a life, get a hobby, take care of yourself and stop caring so much about other people

[@Seeric85]

@@fermentedrat491 I have a life and plenty of hobbies and I care about cultural decay because I care about the future of my children. Shamelessness is a big problem in the modern west. Shame needs a serious comeback.

[@fermentedrat491]

@@Seeric85 You are projecting your shame onto others you loser incel

[@samanthaquick8593]

Ok David Foster Wallace

[@charlielookerNYC]

I've never read him if you can believe that

[@DerekOwenDoss]

"Entertainment is blind."

[@GenericProtagonist7]

It can be summed up very easily; Are you upset? Good, fuck off. Are you not upset? Good, keep listening and you'll get there eventually.

[@allenwilhelm7799]

Fucking love shooter. Imo, he's the most genuine and raw "punk" artist that's ever lived. Really pushes the boundary

[@lostwisdom4462]

Maybe not the most raw that ever lived (GG allin), but certainly the most raw of our time

[@judfps]

im not even close to being an incel or anything like that, i just think hes punk as fuck and his songs sound cool

[@jackiespaceman]

I’m a 49 year old hippie punk that’s never had a problem getting a girlfriend and I love Negative XP. He’s just good pop punk.

[@kat2282]

I just want to say his music isn't really 'incel core ' or whatnot. I think you misinterpreted or only listened to a select few. He has songs making fun of 'incel types' 'school shooters' etc It's not misogynistic.

[@real100thfloor]

the negative XP/mitski split idea is genius

[@Allidoisworry]

This is one of the only takes I’ve seen that I think you actually listened to the music

[@Allidoisworry]

Not you I mean music critics in general I apologize for my phrasing

[@josemaria1035]

Nice video, pretty based

[@charlielookerNYC]

Not Red-pilled, but Based, is kind of where I fall

[@ilikespacedinosaurs]

SHOOTER MITSKI COLLAB

[@dejiko]

I just listen to his music because I like the edgy sound of it.

[@brainman67]

You're a pretty reasonable dude honestly the others around him are far worse in terms of message or themes like uhohslater or xo_willow (the latter i found too extreme to the point of it just being dumb)

[@thewholeworldblurred]

Negative XP and a nod to Capitalist Realism!? where has this channel been all my life?

[@anfomhar1045]

That was an entertaining review! 😀👌

[@someotaku8744]

Don't really agree with his incel aspects, but I will admit that he does have a really nice sound.

[@delontereeves4091]

Coincidentally, i didn't know what Negative XP was at all. But i was just sent a vid with no context of the Ramona Flowers tune, if people are reacting oddly, I feel you/i are likely are just generationally too far away from this. I didn't even know anyone had seen that terrible film. The music was a weak/2020 emo Wavves thing for sure. At least it's kinda clever and gooftroop, it's not GG Allin.

[@satirick__5]

I think it is in a way also self criticism

[@mikal]

I've only heard his Ramona Flowers song, which led me to believe he's just a musician with a good sense of humor. If this "incel" shit about him is true, it certainly doesn't match the impression I got from the one song.

[@alexanderopsimulis5028]

It’s more suicidal- core then incel- core

[@terminalglimmer]

Holy shit, now I can't unthink the Negative XP = Incel Mitski vibe

[@kyler247]

The reason why you had the preconceived notion about negative XP is that you heard what other people said, and people get mad when you tell the truth. Especially women

[@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382]

> especially women how's that hunt for a gf going dude

[@kyler247]

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 I have a very kind and beautiful girlfriend that I love more than words can describe

[@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382]

@@kyler247 well I'm sure she thinks the world of you /s

[@kyler247]

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 she does, actually, she tells me that I'm the love of her life almost daily and we have plans on getting married in the future

[@gsuhz41]

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 >/s :O

[@TheKing60210]

We need sex Robots more than ever. Holy fuck

[@toxicakudama]

Yeah I mean at the end of the day it's all shock factor pretty much

[@thesupremenecroticdakimakura]

I think the problem with something like Negative XP isn't really that there's "extreme misogyny" in the lyrics or anything really calling for violence or the like. The problem is it really feels like a normalization of that misogynistic viewpoint while maintaining plausible deniability when questioned about hate speech and shit like that. You've mentioned on your twitter that you think musicians and artists are supposed to give off a "vibe" of sorts, an aesthetic that shouldn't be taken too seriously. If you apply that way of looking at Negative XP, it's harmless enough. However, the fact that there's even an incel _culture_ makes sure that it's not going to be taken that way. Instead of giving off a vibe of teenage frustration, it becomes music that reinforces already misogynistic feelings in its audience. Like you said, there's an ideological bend to the lyrics. I feel that that ideological bend is fundamentally at odds with that supposed "warm, human vibe". The vibe is plausible deniability, but the ideology is real (and dangerous if we look at real life incidents.) It's kind of like how political radicalization is a very teenage thing to do. Having a juvenile vibe doesn't make it any less serious. I also reject that it's natural for sexually frustrated people to jump straight to casual misogyny or blaming the world ("the world" as in a group of people, most of the cases women, in opposition to themselves or someone that rejected them). That's like failing to get to the uni you want and jumping straight into racism because international students and affirmative action exist.

[@charlielookerNYC]

I'm not all about going too deep into discourse in the comments, although I do appreciate the thoughtful feedback. I sincerely didn't think this would be such a provocative take. I think I have a different sense about how certain bad things should be contained, channeled, dealt with, and overcome. I hear you though.

[@thesupremenecroticdakimakura]

@@charlielookerNYC "Not all about going too deep into discourse in the comments" haha yeah, that's probably the best thing to do for a YT channel. It's a good topic to make a video on.

[@charlielookerNYC]

@@thesupremenecroticdakimakura sarcasm or no?

[@thesupremenecroticdakimakura]

@@charlielookerNYC No sarcasm. I seriously think not going super deep into discourse in the comments is a smart thing to do.

[@kat2282]

It's not misogynistic it's a criticism of society as is. He has songs criticising types of men also. He's not even white and he has female band members

[@basedeggbox630]

Negative XP Himself, doesn't consider his music incelcore. He just one massive giga-shit poster. I like that about him.

[@basedeggbox630]

I stopped listening to his music because my tastes changed. I like him as a person, I have mad respect for him not cracking under the weight of his conspirator's attempts to silence him.

[@Nalhy]

He only came up with the "epunk" thing as a way to distance himself from the incelcore "scene" by any means. Pretty reasonable thing to do considering how shitty it turned out.

[@aesthetic8289]

You should check out Spdaboy64 or hardchrist too

[@EVeljko]

Bro, why y'all fixated on one song? From what I understand dude got like 5-6 EPs out, or more. I heard maybe like 5-6 songs of his, two were rap cover, one was the standard "my girl left me" sad shit, and the rest were pretty joke-y, like "life's an RPG" and shit. And then you got the 'ruined generation' thing, and saying that that one is hateful is just stretching it, that's just a dude venting.

[@cabingory]

this was uploaded in 2020.... u late

[@EVeljko]

@@cabingory late for what fam? I've said what i had to say about the topic. That's all i wanted to do

[@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382]

@@EVeljko your opinion is based on information he couldn't have possibly known about because it quite literally didn't exist in 2020 lmao

[@EVeljko]

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 pretty sure all those songs from 2018-2019, fam

[@X0ydnm]

bold of u to assume that incels are teens!!

[@BBanzaj]

The moment you can legaly buy a hoe because you are in age of consent, any celebasy is totaly volentary.

[@Humanophage]

The mainstream aspect makes it more "insidious". Sort of how joke music like Moonman is probably more effective at conversion than RAC like Stahlgewitter. You need to find some commonalities with normies, such as this lame slacker culture and pop punk.

[@lucamartinez4to3era72]

me cago la vida negative xp

[@apaticore]

Same

[@razor386]

I really like negative xp’s music, but he has really bad takes about women and police officers

[@Mysticmaiden725]

He's just a dude who makes punk it isn't incel based

[@xXDJllamap3tt3rXx]

Today's kids scare me with their music, I miss back when we had real music like Hootie and The Blowfish

[@jimjim4550]

i like negative XP but i don't relate to the lyrics

[@avdmk111]

Can't it be argued that putting mysogynistic ideals in a "warm" or "charming" musical package can be more insidious than something being more "cold-blooded" or "evil" as you say? People are often only joking until they're not. Many people who claim to have been red-pilled say they got into it for the memes and the humor but then they got hooked on the ideology. I see this music as the same thing. All the comments on his videos are like "look at everyone triggered by a song" and passing it off as "just a joke" but that logic normalizes mysogyny. I don't take these ideas lightly when women are literally killed by people who carry these sentiments and resentments towards them. I take particular issue with you saying that this is usual 16-year-old boy shit, as if that is a reason why something is ethically sound. As a former 16-year-old boy I think I feel confident saying that that is one of the least ethically sound times of ones life. Sexual frustration and alienation are real and valid feelings that can really impede on people's mental health and wellness. I think the discrediting of the reality of those emotions at large funnel into the problem of alienation and repression, particularly amongst young men and boys. But projecting dissatisfaction with life or the world at large onto a marginalized group of people with hateful generalizations is not "warm and fuzzy" to me, no matter how the music feels, and normalizing it is just as much a part of the problem. If this is comedy than it is still punching down which never works in my book. I'm not coming from an offended or triggered place with my point of view. I'm more sad to see this type of emotional deflection onto more marginalized groups by frustrated and repressed people pop up in new ways like the incel movement or this guy's music. Your perspective on this seems to create more space for this type of expression without challenging it in meaningful way which is disappointing to me as someone who's gotten a lot from your music and work. And on taste alone, this humor and musical style is cliche and played out which I would hope is enough of a turn off from an artists perspective.

[@charlielookerNYC]

hey Morgan. You don't sound crazy to me or hysterical or whatever. The idea that 16 years old is a particularly unethical moment in people's development is quite a good point, or idea at least. The idea of being red-pilled is definitely some brainwashed shit. And it really should go without saying that the whole MRA thing is totally pathological. As for "making space" for certain type and degrees of negativity (even hate tbh), I think it's pretty psychologically healthy and realistic for there to be space for people to work out certain things creatively, hopefully to resolve issues.. As for my past musical work, I'll tell you: a lot of the attitudes I expressed in Extra Life and especially in Seaven Teares, I actually now look at as being legitimately misogynistic and fucked up, and probably lead me to treat women in ways that were harmful to varying extents in the real world. I've worked a lot of that out. Whether that growth is because of my artistic expressions, or in spite of them, is hard for me to say.

[@avdmk111]

@Charlie Looker @Charlie Looker that's an interesting point in regards to your own work and I haven't really reexamined your lyrics in the time I've grown up since that period. Your lyrics definitely spoke to a dejected and lonely part of myself and I could definitely see there being a good deal of toxic masculinity mixed up in that cocktail of emotions. I appreciate you being critical of yourself and your own work in this way. I do think there is a distinction in the way you were working out those ideas and this guy just talking about girls being dumb and calling things gay and retarded. I always heard a song like Grown Woman as satirical and a commentary on masculine repression. A song like One of your Whores was not gender specific so the relationship dynamic was never inherently mysogynistic in my eyes, even if that's the place you were writing from. You have been provocative but it always seemed exploratory and nonjudgmental rather than spreading an overt message. And it certainly never read as shock value for the sake of being controversial the way this shit does. I totally agree that there should be space for working out the more negative parts of oneself in art, but then there is also space for criticism and my criticism of this person and the pass you're giving him still stands. Making space for working out your negative thoughts doesn't take away accountability from the art's impact. Ultimately I think it's more complicated and toxic than what you're chalking it up to. And on a side note I've also found videos of his titled things like "cops beat anarchist scum" so that's also a part of his message I can't put to the side that I think should also be acknowledged.

[@charlielookerNYC]

​@@avdmk111 Like I said to Supreme Necrotic, I tend to put a cap on how long or deep I go into discourse in the comments, even when the comments are super thoughtful and good faith. I also truly did not think this would be such a provocative take. Let me just leave it at, there are plenty of things which I think are perfectly "natural" but aren't Good. They have to be contained and dealt with, precisely for the goal of reducing actual harm to people. And as for defending police brutality, yes that's some bullshit, I agree with you

[@avdmk111]

@@charlielookerNYC I totally get that. Thanks for responding at all honestly. I know I wasn't exactly succinct or breif lol. I don't expect a whole discussion. Just my quarantined brain firing off after being deprived of meaningful irl convos.

[@charlielookerNYC]

@@avdmk111 You were perfectly cogent and reasonable Morgan. I understand where you're coming from and you're a person whose opinion holds weight in my mind

[@brotherhoodofsteel5254]

I think the band is pretty decent but the band members are a little bit off the rails and some of the lyrics in the songs are just moronic

[@joshweinberg6321]

Not a fan of Negative XP's politics (or maybe that's just a persona he plays up in songs) in the least but not gonna lie, his music is pretty catchy. Maybe someday he'll realize getting laid is more fun and fulfilling than being an edgelord idol for incels. On a related note, I first heard the Scott Pilgrim song from my 15 year-old, very progressive daughter who described it as a "really catchy incel anthem". We both agreed that the lyrics were alt-right bullshit, funny and witty in spots but the tune itself was undeniably an earworm.

[@asbestoseater979]

I love this response! Progressive 15 year old myself, the implied politics are concerning but the music is catchy and it’s a good way for everyone to express their frustrations

[@joshweinberg6321]

@@asbestoseater979 these days, unless something is full-on nazi bullshit, I appreciate what I can like about something, and discount the rest. There are plenty of bands and songs with objectionable lyrics and posturing (was just enjoying Ten Years After's "I'd love to change the world") but if I only listened to shit that aligned 100% with my politics, I wouldn't be left with a whole lot of ear candy.

[@asbestoseater979]

@@joshweinberg6321 I agree, the artist sucks but it sure sounds nice. I have a suspicion that if I were to look a little further into the fanbase or Negative XP himself I’d find something I can’t get past, but like you said I wouldn’t be left with many bands if they had to be good people.

[@lumen101]

I agree with his politics 😎

[@chieludz]

Its not even alt right its just an angry perioded kid lol, ya daughter gonna be edgelords Now 😎

[@HighwayNegative]

Didn't really dig the vibe you're putting out here to be honest. I think you're giving that type of thinking too much of a pass, basically by saying that boys will be boys. Kinda gross. Most every woman I know has been sexually assaulted at some point in their life and I think that the mentality of Negative XP and others is an obvious puzzle piece in that picture. I think we can do a lot better than this kind of casual nonchalance and lukewarm approval. Just my two cents, not meant as a personal attack.

[@charlielookerNYC]

Not taking it personally. Will consider...

[@pierofasulli1076]

Hope she sees this bro

[@brimerwelpippy4972]

@YE24 Clips You obviously have no close women in your life, or they don't feel comfortable sharing this stuff with you (shocker). It's a fucking fact

[@rejectiomundi]

Incelcore it's the only style of modern music i can listen

[@arthurs2589]

Honestly i like the music but i cant get past the sexist lyrics. It just kina feels hateful. But the aesthetic is good, and I did like their song "autism"

[@arne__]

I don't get what's soothing or even particularly surprising about the fact that this guys music is basically lame both in terms of music and lyrics/explicit politics

[@charlielookerNYC]

does he have explicit politics?

[@arne__]

@@charlielookerNYC I don't know or care but the "politics" explicit in his music (girls are dumb and me saying that in face of feminist/sjw/political correct mainstream is funny/badass) are lame

[@charlielookerNYC]

@@arne__ I definitely didn't find it funny or badass, so we can agree on that! I also never say the words SJW or PC without irony, in case that gives you a somewhat clearer sense of where I'm at

[@arne__]

@@charlielookerNYC Yeah sure, I was talking about negative xp there, not you