Neonatal Nurse Transforms Into Serial Killer | Lucy Letby Case Analysis

[@cybermandan1960]

I live in the UK and this a HUGE news story right now! The amount of red flags ignored because she doesn't "look" like a killer, and doctors were even forced to apologise for raising suspicions about her! Remember the employee fired for warning about the Titan submarine? Anytime people are demonised for raising legitimate concerns, a tragedy is waiting.

[@MakerInMotion]

As if there was any "look" that means someone can't be a killer. I hate that chivalrous simp nonsense.

[@eden_aumakua]

What does a killer look like? Many killers don't look like killers. It's absolutely unconscionable!

[@tomsevcik1792]

@@eden_aumakuaagreed, immediately I thought of Tend Bundy. Such a “charming, and good looking man, with a great smile” and then they find out what he was about.

[@robertmitchell8630]

White preveliege She got away for so long , due to her white preveliege

[@bonnielee316]

I know. I see some killers that are pretty good looking and normal looking and I think to myself, I would date that person! 😳

[@pandora8478]

The management of the hospital need to be charged. They had it in their power to stop more murders.

[@albin2232]

Corporate Manslaughter.

[@Whitestripe71]

The two senior managers who were responsible for the decisions made at the time have since left their positions - they left at around the time of Letby's arrest. So the current management is different. But there is going to be an inquiry into this case, so those original managers could potentially be facing legal consequences further down the line.

[@meredithisme3752]

The management who resigned should be held accountable and hopefully will be

[@cameroncameron2826]

Stem Cell harvesting operation.

[@peaceangel-rl2hf]

They can be sued in negligence- breach of duty of care. Nhs now liable to families for millions

[@leokimvideo]

Hospitals and age care homes are perfect environments for serial killers to hide in plain sight. Sadly it's not that uncommon.

[@angelabroom2861]

Well I've worked in both and I strongly disagree!!

[@GenZMother]

@@angelabroom2861the stats don’t lie. There’s no other industry that has serial killers.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@bloomingaccents Ons says the lokcdown these people support killed hundreds of k's. That makes them all serial killers

[@jaquinicole2936]

It would still b uncommon

[@Macbeth99]

​@@bloomingaccents No happily, it's very uncommon. I think though that because it's SO abhorrent to nearly everyone, it gets a great deal of attention, so it feels that it happens more often than it does

[@kevrbr]

Lucy being drawn to the grieving parents like a parasite sucking up negative energy is like modern day demonic possession. She feeds off (or some entity) greif, guilt, dispare, trauma ect.

[@DivinelyGuidedFem]

Absolutely and good discernment as I was puzzled as to why she circled back to see her damage. The battle is between unseen rulers and powers not flesh and blood. When I look at her I see a demon

[@charliesierra2490]

It's not demons. It's severe, incurable mental illness.

[@smith549371]

she literally spells out her true motives in her ramblings in that note. She was jealous of these people because she was alone and didn’t think she would ever have a family and be happy like them. It was literally spite and hatred that drove her to do it because she saw their lives as better than hers and she wanted to rob them of their joy. Her being around them after was more likely her revelling in their sadness and stalking their socials would be for the same reason. She was contented by the misery that she caused as if it made her feel better about her own situation.

[@Liam-zw1ek]

A five year old could have come to the correct conclusion quicker than this hospital. It was plainly obvious that she was murdering infants. Hey Lucy, 'you'll never get out of prison alive,' will you?

[@VivaSepulchre]

DANDELO

[@normadom]

"A grief collector"...a chilling phrase as ascribed to Letby in the wake of her conviction. Her reactions towards the killings are typical of a serial killer; sadism being a core component of her morbid enjoyment of perpetrating the act on the most helpless and vulnerable of beings.

[@fairyprincess911]

No different than a bone collector. And yes, she is really just another serial killer. They are all the same.

[@VeeLondon1449]

My best friends husband placed a camera above their daughters bed within the neonatal ward here in London, which allowed my friend & husband etc to check on their child round the clock and in real time. CCTV should be in every neonatal ward here in the Uk. There was CCTV in the Neonatal ward, but placed only at the door entrance. Not in the individual rooms. EDIT: consent was given by the hospital it was an aerial angle directed solely/only on their child from the child’s head to waist. And focused on their child’s crib only. And their child was in hospital for a total of 5 days. My friend had lost a child at 2 weeks old to cot death 5 years previously. Their child is now almost 1 years old and healthy.

[@jakskeys]

Brilliant idea!

[@nlwilson4892]

OK, so then you risk that CCTV ending up in the hands of child pornographers.

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

But then you break the naked child images law because the law is a ass

[@ladynori]

@@nlwilson4892idc my baby is safe there’s plenty of baby pictures out there for weirdos to be weird, it’s gross but the chances of that hacked are slim to none, I’d rather my baby be physically 100% safe!

[@nlwilson4892]

@@ladynori The OP used a web camera, very hackable. But even if you have a system that is actually closed, not connected to the internet at any point, you still need to store all the video and have that accessible for some time after in case any queries arise. But I'm not even sure if it is possible on CCTV to see what someone is injecting, if they are supposed to be injecting something but they add an air bubble, or simply contaminate the needle it is not going to be seen. You're adding an extra risk for piece of mind when it might not actually provide protection. You also have to consider at what age you consider that a child needs their privacy, also consider plenty of other people in hospitals that are vulnerable. CCTV on all beds or get the management to do their jobs properly?

[@terrimonture2027]

I’m fascinated by this case, it’s like she’s getting off on the pain and anguish generated by the death of each child. She’s like a vampire feeding on intense emotion. I guess it’s the same equivalency of a sadistic killer who is literally getting off on the torture of another human being and relishing the intense pain and fear they are generating. What a monster, it’s so incredible that there are these creatures walking around in a human skin literally preying on emotion.

[@ManiyaVinas]

Trust me, once she acts out towards a fellow prisoner who isn't having it (aka biatch slappin her) she'll suddenly not smile like a dmb biatch anymore and experience fear herself

[@christopherlloyd98]

??@@ManiyaVinas

[@minniemoe4797]

Lucy Letby has typical psychopathic traits : an urge for emotional stimulation due to the lack of her own emotions and boredom that drove her for "experiments"

[@edie9330]

I read that Lucy was having an affair with a Dr that would be called to try and resuscitate these children, so she would have contact with him, because he had cut her off. Also, I want to want discuss my complete, total disgust at her behavior. I've had 2 children, both preemies that ended up in the NICU. I prayed EVERY minute of every day they would survive, and they both did. I can't even imagine the horror of these parents who's precious babies were murdered. May they be blessed. 🙏🙏🙏

[@fragilechords5118]

Yes, I read the same thing. She and the Dr. met regularly, and even went on a trip just the two of them. It seems like a definite motive.

[@mritzs5142]

Oh this was her rage trigger, opens up the discussion, he must be freaked ..I hope they rip him apart for info, his wife finds out, he is fired,He must have known she was unstable intellectually compromised and still he did

[@ronald3836]

So if this doctor was indeed always (or at least often) present when a baby died, he should be investigated, too.

[@fragilechords5118]

@@ronald3836 He's already testified. They said she started crying and wanted to leave when he came up to testify. He wasn't working every time something happened. She was the only one working every time.

[@FreeminderXIII]

According to an article I read, they first met at the beginning of 2016 , she already had killed several babies before she met him. However he could kiss his career and marriage goodbye just bc he's associated with her and also he always tried to lift her spirits when she felt "down' because of baby deaths.

[@mariamaria2751]

She's right. She's evil..poor babies , poor parents ..it doesn't get much worse than her, horrific..absolutely soulless entity

[@gejost]

Being "evil" is a religious concept. I presume she's a psychopath.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Soulless entity....you described her perfectly..

[@endofsight9841]

This case reminds me of Kermit Gosnell, it just baffles my mind how any human being can do such a horrific and diabolical thing.

[@SeniorJohnQPublic]

Utter nonsense. Evil is a religious label. It is emotional but it does not explain the facts of her motives. Welcome to reality. I agree she is a horrible person and murdering newborns is a heinous crime. Knowing that she is unlikely to leave prison except in a coffin is an appropriate punishment.

[@julikeah]

Evil doesn't exist. The girl is mentally ill

[@RoseNZieg]

based on similar cases, once someone join your medical team and the medical incidents increase, you as administrators should have immediately limited her access to the patients.

[@tanchella]

Problem with that approach is in cases like Mid Staffs Scandal, where it was estimated between 400 and 1200 patients died unnecessarily due to poor care resulting from staff shortages, hospital infections and terrible managment in general. Cases like that are widespread in the NHS while nurse murderer is extremely rare. I can understand why they went for reviews not after a single nurse, even though in this case it was urgently needed.

[@ronald3836]

@@tanchella What bugs me the most is that these deaths were apparently suspicious, yet they were not properly investigated. Now Lucy is put in jail based mostly on statistics (and, yes, her not is weird, but she probably wrote it when she was being accused and I cannot imagine what such an accusation could do to an innocent person). 2x the normal death rate over 2 years or so could have all kinds of causes and could also just be a coincidence. Statistically, this happens. If you look at all UK maternity wards, you will find one with a death rate significantly above average simply because that is how numbers work. Also there were deaths that could not be connected to her. Does not prove she is innocent, but to conclude she is guilty... I don't know Unless I missed something, all these deaths were reported as natural deaths. Maybe that's what they were. If they had been investigated at the time, that could have cleared Lucy right there and then (and it could also have caught her and prevented more deaths, if she is indeed guilty). The whole case is extremely similar to a Dutch case. The nurse got a life sentence and lost all her appeals. Some years later the case was reopened and she was cleared. The final conclusion was that no murders happened at all.

[@nlwilson4892]

@@ronald3836 One case was reported as natural but the insulin level was far too high but without another substance that would occur if it was natural. That proves that the insulin was injected. Also, she was in attendance for 25 of the unexpected deaths with the most any other member of staff was on the ward was 7. That is far too high to be coincidence. There is also her other odd behaviour like lack of emotion when babies died, keep going into the room where parents were grieving and she'd been told not to.

[@ronald3836]

@@nlwilson4892 it does not prove that she injected the insulin, and this blood value was noticed only years later, too late for a double check. An athlete who is caught doping is entitled to a second test before he is sanctioned. Lucy is now in prison for life and was denied such an opportunity. We had a similar case in the Netherlands. The botched statistics pointed at a particular nurse, they then find botched medical evidence. After many years the case was reopened and she was cleared, there were never any murders.

[@ronald3836]

@@nlwilson4892 and her atypical behaviour does not prove anything (DrGrande mentioned many times in other videos btw). I suspect that her behaviour is what made her colleagues suspicious. Then when you remove 2/3 of the cases where she was not present, you get a list of the 1/3 remaining cases where... guess what... only she was present each and every time.

[@hmth86]

I work as a nurse, I am also a mother and I was physically sickened that she not only took lives, she ruined so many lives.. all so that she could be the centre of attention for a short period of time. The lifelong pain she has caused to these families, the impact on the doctors and nurses that fought to save these babies, and then there are the infants suffering lifelong disability - all because of her. I could NEVER intentionally hurt one of my patients, especially not an innocent baby. I was devastated and disgusted at the same time.

[@gordanazakula5669]

86;A miscarriage of justice?

[@helentaylor7132]

Good job summarizing her crimes. Years ago worked in newborn nursery and can't imagine how she got to place she did. There is just nothing more beautiful and innocent than a newborn baby.

[@hattyburrow716]

Thank you Dr Grande, we’re still aghast at the awfulness of her crimes here in the UK. And shocked, not just at her but at the doctors who were ignored for three years when they suspected. I wonder if she had been awkward and unpreposessing, like Beverly Allitt, would they have listened sooner?

[@yehmen29]

I think the way she presented is one reason for how she got away with it for so long. 'Not Nice Lucy!' as one of the consultants had put it at one of meetings to investigate the spike of deaths.

[@manichairdo9265]

Her parents threatened to report 2 drs who had challenged her. And her mother yelled our in court as the guilty verdicts were rolled out. You're not serious. Etc. Grr.

[@eveapple4928]

I have been waiting for Dr Grande to drop the analysis on this for a YEAR, knowing he would be following this and provide it after the verdict was delivered. So glad I kept the faith - this is a fascinating case with a great deal to teach us, and can really help us be better equipped to spot these predators in the future BEFORE they do so much harm. Thank you Dr Grande!

[@galeoshea2961]

Your posts are so well structured and easy to follow. I have a much better understanding. Many thanks Dr Grande.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Since reporting restrictions in the UK have been lifted the prosecution case has fallen apart.

[@debbiefreeman9481]

I can’t believe she filed a grievance, knowing she was guilty.

[@donaldmacdonald4901]

And the review board took her side of course

[@sushantrajput6920]

She was very manipulative

[@Radagast-]

She could a) fold and admit that they were right; or b) stay silent in the face of appalling accusations (who does that if they're innocent?); or c) double down and accuse the accusers of scapegoating her for their failures... Filing a grievance was her only option, but I agree: she had to have some brass neck to do it.

[@sunnyadams5842]

​@@Radagast-A brass neck and/or NARCISSISM

[@polarbearsrus6980]

If she can kill innocent babies, she sure won't have a hard time filing a false grievance... seriously!!!🤔

[@crose7412]

It's a shame this occurred in Cheshire again; the same county where Dr Harold Shipman was also arrested for murdering his patients. Cheshire's also the country where Ian Brady & Myra Hindley lived and were arrested (in the same town as Shipman).

[@trishlangford5773]

How come it took so long for the hospital to put two and two together. Everyone was asleep at the wheel whilst babies were dying.

[@sirlordcomic]

Don't people with Munchausen syndrome by proxy do these things to show what a great fireman, nurse etc they are? In other words to draw positive attention to themselves? With Letby one mother described how she walked into the room where her baby was bleeding from his mouth and when she said to Letby, Letby continued doing what she had been (ie nothing) and ignored the baby. One of the most disturbing cases ever this. Partly because there doesn't seem to be a good explanation.

[@ZMS463]

Didn't she try and claim it was normal too? Or was that wit a different baby? Sick in the head she is.

[@nancymnemonic7742]

The worst of the worst. How can anyone harm a baby? This is exactly why I have no faith.

[@jdanisse]

It seems like every few years there's a case like this that comes up -- these killer nurses. Horrifying.

[@simonw1313]

There seems to have been four cases of UK nurses being convicted of murdering patients in the last 50 years.

[@ronald3836]

because if you look at enough data, you will always find "unlikely" events and then all you need to do is connect it to a "killer".

[@faubourgsthonore]

LUCY LETBY KILLED THE BABIES TO GET BACK AT HER OWN PARENTS. It is clear as day. Let me explain: We have all heard how LL was « smothered » with love by her parents, in a very intrusive and at times exaggerated if not bizarre way. They were so overwhelmingly present (calling her several times a day, not liking her to live away from them, being worried that she lives alone, treating her like a little girl) She was basically prevented by this well-meaning (but probably narcissistic) pair to have an emotional life outside of the « close-knit family circle » This is actually the ONLY THING LETBY EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT. (She spoke about feeling guilty, but what about the underlying RAGE towards those parents who would not let her live her life!) At the root of the smothering with love is the fact that she almost died at birth, which would obviously have been her parents’ worst nightmare. This « almost dying at birth » is central in their lives. She even made it her career choice at a very early age, to care for sick babies.(their suggestion?) I think she felt TREMENDOUS rage towards her parents (and at the same time very strong guilt towards those feelings which lead to self-hatred) They basically prevented her to meet someone, have an adult relationship and possibly marry and have a family. To those parents she was and had to stay their little girl. The killings started before she meet Dr A. and his attention was a nice residual benefit of the murders but not the deep-rooted cause. I think she set out to reenact her parents’ worst nightmare: the death of their baby, and she enjoyed the sight and experience of their suffering and grief which she unconsciously fantasized to inflict upon her own parents. The murdered babies and their parents were just puppets in that show. Her pleasure was to finally make the her parents suffer by proxy!

[@kait112]

As a mother of 3 with two pre-term births, one of which was very premature, I relied on nurses to love and care for my sweet premie baby while I recovered from preeclampsia! This sounds like such a horrific experience for the families of these tiny infants to go through - to find out their infants needlessly died - I feel so awful for them.

[@skreemqueen7520]

I know I heard that Lucy would look up the parents of her victims on social media. I thought that was so strange. Like she wanted to see who she was causing so much pain to or see how devastated they were ….. it’s all so bizarre. I’m thankful she was convicted. My sympathy to ALL the victims and their loved ones. May they rest in peace.

[@annahgibbus8]

She was probably so overwhelmed with seething hateful jealousy looking at the parents social media. She said she'd wouldn't be able to get married & have children probably because any date she had picked up that she is bats*** crazy consumed in her victimhood.

[@nlwilson4892]

Just to correct something here. The consultants were not brought in. In the UK a consultant is the term used for the most senior doctors (although it is also used in a more general sense). These consultants were pediatricians working on the ward. They highlighted the high death rates to the management and raised concerns about Letby, she was always on the ward when an incident happened and was near they baby when a couple of the incidents happened. She also showed no emotion when babies died. They repeatedly raised concerns only to have them rejected by hospital management.

[@lynnettecapozio7327]

I listen to many true crime stories but this one is on my "TOP 10" of the most tragic.

[@yehmen29]

Thank you for your insight on this case, Todd. I was really shocked at how sophisticated (to a layperson like me) the methods that Lucy used to murder those infants were. Injecting air into their stomach through their gastro nasal tube... using knowledge acquired on a course she'd taken for her work (which highlighted what NOT to do). One of the victims' mother did not want her baby to undergo a postmortem, but wanted her little girl left alone, the consultant, who already suspected foul play, told her she didn't have any choice. It's lucky he insisted as circumstancial evidence was the only way to gather proofs against Lucy, in the absence of CCTV. The case has already cost several million pounds but the police are now looking at deaths and incidents at the Liverpool hospital where Lucy worked previously. Some people have commented that the murder of Child A may not have been her first one, as she committed it when there were other people present in the room. I thought the Munchhausen by proxy explanation, the fact that she loved to be seen as a victim and loved getting attention and sympathy from others, and the argument that she thrived on other people's suffering and on intense emotions, was very insightful. It is chilling to think what might have happened if she had had children of her own. I hope the hospital managers will be in Court next, and that we will get something like an independent Ombudsman, so that whistleblowers have someone to contact.

[@maryrankin9869]

Does anyone care what was going on in Lucy's life that would drive her to this? This not normal!!!!!!

[@christopherlloyd98]

Lucy may not want her own Children, because of her own difficult birth.......her writings in her Post - it notes suggest that Lucy had a fear of abnormalities where Babies are concerned.

[@rosieposie9564]

I have been around lots of nurses and caregivers. I am always surprised by the strong pathological need to feel needed and be some sort of powerful savior that many of them seem to have. Then some of them seem to become nearly high with excitement in life threatening emergency situations. Lucy reminds me of them but to a greater degree.

[@christopherlloyd98]

Interesting Comment. I believe Lucy to be a brilliant Nurse, picked on because she was both very pretty, attractive, probably to the (male) Staff, and and good at her work. I mean, to follow Parents on Facebook, this took much patience, dedication, and a desire to "go the extra mile"......how many Staff would go to these lengths to keep in touch with Parents. On Facebook, too, i believe you can earn Points for contacting Friends, and i am sure that this is what Lucy was doing, nothing MALEVOLENT as has been suggested by Media and others, the prosecution. A good Nurse, probably the most dedicated on the Unit at the C of Ch hospital at the time Lucy was there. Lucy is the embodiment of what conscientiousness and dedication should be. Good on you, Lucy. Much love to you...... 😊😊💖💖😾😾......... for you, Lucy. Christopher Lloyd.

[@erinthesystem9608]

It sounds like Lucy might have been jealous and resentful of couples who were becoming parents. Even when the baby died, the parents would still have each other, so in her mind, they were still in a better position than she was. I seriously think that those are some of the thoughts/feelings which might have both motivated Lucy and rationalized away any guilt she might otherwise have felt. (This is largely based on what she said in her letter.)

[@PaulandKonomisGarden]

Thank you Dr. Grande for this analysis covering a story that has shocked Britain to its core. Among other things it helps explain why the reason why, will most likely never be known. Hopefully the NHS and the hospital itself will take a good look at itself and find better ways to protect the most vulnerable. n this day and age I am surprised that there were no video cameras in the unit.

[@Ramdai-i4h]

THIS IS A BIG DISGRACE THAT NO CAMERAS WERE THERE IN THIS UNIT!!! COME ON, THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY THAN MEETS THE EYE!!! WHEN WILL WE LEARN?

[@smith549371]

she literally spells out her true motives in her ramblings in that note. She was jealous of these people because she was alone and didn’t think she would ever have a family and be happy like them. It was literally spite and hatred that drove her to do it because she saw their lives as better than hers and she wanted to rob them of their joy. Her being around them after was more likely her revelling in their sadness and stalking their socials would be for the same reason. She was contented by the misery that she caused as if it made her feel better about her own situation. She most likely chose babies with parents that were in strong relationships the most.

[@PennyWenny224]

I was at the Countess of Chester hospital when the news broke. It’s awful and she will rot in hell.

[@MC-qb1jg]

As a nurse I find this unbelievable, horrific. That anyone, no less a nurse could do this to vulnerable children is demonic. She needs to be punished. People put their lives in our hands.

[@CassandraJoyComplex]

I was waiting for this video because I wondered why was she doing this. I feel like I have a good idea now. So sick and disturbing. The fact that she thrived on grief and emotional pain is so wild.

[@christopherlloyd98]

Dr. Todd Grande - yet another expert expounding on Lucy’s case. And there are many - most of whom take the stance against Lucy and for her being “guilty”. Refreshingly, however, there are some who actually support Lucy and her actions, Christopher Lloyd.

[@AbdalMalik-ye1df]

Another WHITE woman... are we seeing a trend here

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Good afternoon Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.

[@doctorcrankyflaps1724]

I live in Chester, the City where this happened. Madness.

[@bthomson]

She is at the EXTREME end of the emotional spectrum! Revealing in others' pain! Enjoying her own sense of power!

[@flem6]

A fact that supports your analysis is that her internet logs showed she searched the parents of her victims on Facebook thousands of times, including on Christmas day

[@potluck712]

WTF !!!! This woman is SICK SICK SICK SICK.

[@nicolacoffey2802]

Excellent, excellent insight. Especially the final synopsis. Well done.

[@norlavine]

Lucy (in my opinion) took her frustrations and anger at her life out on these helpless little newborn babies.She craved the temporary sense of power only these sadistic acts gave her. A covert/cowardly and malignant narcissist seething underneath a kind,soft and gentle exterior.

[@mandymckeown8625]

Yep spot on 👍

[@robleyshon8665]

Yes, very astute comment. One thing though: it really rankles with me when Letby is constantly referred to by her first name alone. It never happens with male serial killers...

[@norlavine]

@@robleyshon8665 Good point. First name only usage is perhaps a bit too 'warm and fluffy' - particularly considering her crimes. In cases where there are multiple people with the same surname I find it easier to use first names only to avoid confusion. Perhaps surnames only for male serial killers are used to specifically identify them.Never thought about this before...

[@robleyshon8665]

@@norlavine Yes, exactly: too warm and fluffy. Also, strange as it may sound, I can't help thinking that her "nice", middle-class, rather childish name was at least one of the reasons she was able to get away with her terrible acts for so long. Nobody could believe that someone called Lucy could be a baby-killing maniac. "Oh no, it can't be Lucy. Not nice Lucy" said one of the hospital's neo-natal consultants when the first red flags started to go up...

[@karenmbbaxter]

The sad thin mag about this is that other doctors had concerns about here and when they contacted the board they were told to apologize to her because she felt she was being intimidated ......Nobody spoke to her directly but doctors consulted the hospital board to say there were problems and then they in turn blamed the doctors.......I know how these doctors feel because I too contact senior people about a major issue I could see ( I don't work in the medical industry though) and I was told I was lying and I was ruining this person's good reputation........I now know the meaning of being gas-lit because that is how I felt.......A few years later and the scandal was splashed all over our newspapers and I WAS CORRECT.......People need to be able to ask questions or state their concerns privately without being threatened over it and told THEY have the problem.

[@CaliforniaDreamer-z5z]

I wondered whether Lucy had psychopathy rather than Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA) because: 1) she was void of internal feelings / empathy, 2) life for her was boring and empty without causing chaos, 3) she killed rather than just injured, 4) she was so completely self-absorbed, the only time during the trial she cried was when the topic was about her (not the babies she killed) or the married doctor she had an affair with who provided testimony for the prosecution. A fascinating case. Would be useful to have a brain scan done on her. That might shed some light on the true cause and assist in the study of psychiatric disorders.

[@angelavolkov1126]

Yeah, reads like a psychopath to me too.

[@mandymckeown8625]

Yep psychopath 👍

[@Ramdai-i4h]

THIS IS A CLEAR CASE OF DEMONIC POSSESSION!!! JESUS SPOKE IN THE BIBLE ABOUT HURTING HIS CHILDREN. ITS BETTER TO TIE A MILLSTONE AND DROWN YOURSELF THAN TO HURT ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES!!! MEANING NO FORGIVENESS AT ALL FOR THIS EVIL, DESTINATION, HELL FOREVER AMEN AND AMEN!!!

[@nafissforghani3866]

thank you for this Video Dr.Grande. very informative.

[@wendybond2848]

Horrifying. I can’t imagine the pain of losing a child and then having to accept that it was murdered.

[@catherinepositano8544]

How any of the parents went to court in the 1st place is beyond my understanding....I couldn't even LOOK at her without wanting to kill her....who could???

[@cw9007]

I haven't heard anything about whether a psch assessment has been done at all as part of the trial. Would be really interested to know what that would reveal?

[@maatkarah]

The registrar (not sure what the US equivalent is) she was "friendly" with has not been mentioned. Their interactions by text and time spent together sound like something verging on an emotional affair. He was often called to the ward when the "collapses" happened and she also got attention and sympathy from him in the aftermath. Some people believe it was one of her motivations. The only times she cried in court were discussing her cats (!) and when she heard his voice as he gave evidence (which he chose to do behind a screen).

[@aliciafergus2026]

The managers will be responsible for allowing this girl to continue to work, the fact that the consultant and other medical staff were ignored and forced to apologise for their suspicions is beyond belief. Letby will never be allowed out of prison, and thankfully now her nightmare is beginning. I'm a retired nurse and cannot get my head around this, it is shameful and horrendous this was allowed to go unnoticed for so long. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😮

[@Wargasm54]

The hospital was also downgraded to a much lower level of care after Lucy was removed. An important factor to conveniently omit. Not saying she’s innocent. She was also charged with 17 deaths and convicted of less than half. If you superimpose her work schedule over the infant deaths, it doesn’t line up like one would think. This whole thing stinks of a coverup. The “boyfriend “ was never revealed and out of view from the courtroom. None of the names were used in the prosecution of the case. All the evidence was circumstantial. This whole case stinks. You have a woman that has had no prior legal problems, no signs of psychopathy, a strong family life , a strong social circle and smart enough to get through nursing school. She’s somewhat attractive and was considered by many to be a very good and competent nurse. Yet in her mid 20’s she decides to start murdering babies? None of the math adds up. At all. If it weren’t for Lucy, the hospital could potentially be sued for upwards of a billion dollars. With Lucy as the culprit, damages are limited to a few million at most. And the fact that the contamination due to faulty plumbing was not really brought into question, along with nothing but circumstantial evidence, leaves a lot of room for reasonable doubt. Funny that no one mentions any of this? Look, if Lucy did all this, then she definitely deserves the worst possible punishment. I would see it warrants death with solid evidence. But a lot of this case seems way off. Again, I’m not a nut job claiming Lucy is innocent. But there certainly is a lot of reasonable doubt her lawyers didn’t even raise. They didn’t even present one “expert” in any field. Bizarre.

[@danzigvssartre]

Agreed.

[@Yoyo_Bro]

I live in the UK. This is the first in-depth analysis of the Lucy Letby case I've seen. Your excellent, clinical, and unbiased way of expertly analysing character traits is so engrossing to listen to. It also helps people like myself who struggle to understand a case like this where you're always left in limbo by the mainstream media as to why and how a person, who seemingly and outwardly appears in no way to be capable of such a crime, to understand that appearances of these types of killers can be extremely deceptive, and also answers nagging questions you have in your own mind about the guilty verdicts. Im a big fan of your channel. This is an excellent analysis video. A highly recommended watch! Thank you.

[@kellyfinleybrown9313]

I'm an RN from the US. I am ashamed. They should have done better. Thanks, Dr. G.❤❤

[@shidehhafezi6826]

It seems to me that Lucy enjoyed getting reactions from people parents, doctors and coworkers.

[@acb5245]

Thanks Dr G. I also highly recommend HG Tudors Channel, to what Lucy Letby is.

[@danzigvssartre]

That Tudors stuff is facile garbage. I suggest you look at "A Tale of Two Lucies" than make a decision.

[@acb5245]

I suggest you refrain from condescension.

[@samumoth]

Everyone is commenting on her childish fairy-like bedroom. I don’t get it! From what I’ve seen, there’s a spotless bed, two run-of-the mill modern chest of drawers, two very ordinary pictures - type many people have on the walls and a few fairy lights to brighten the otherwise plain decor! It’s been reported that there are stuffed toys everywhere…I saw two teddy bears on the bed, the ones she probably had as a kid…lots of people do that! I appreciate this person has committed monstrous crimes but I do think the reporting on these facets of her life/personality should be more factual and less in keeping with an imposed and constructed narrative!

[@ronald3836]

If she did not play violent video games, then something else has to be brought up. In this case: she watched Disney movies! What you see is mob rule, and it gives me bad feelings.

[@AngDi]

She left behind so many heartbroken families of innocent little miracles, all the funerals with tiny baby coffins, depression after losing a child, it breaks relationships, puts families in debt.. she deserves hell on earth for killing innocent, and hell after death

[@applepie8772]

There are many inconsistencies here.The involvement of a neonatal SPR now consultant. How the neonatal medical team seem to be blaming mgt and the focus is on them but don’t appear to acknowledge their own behaviour or practice given they are able to raise an SI and can raise in a risk register and also speak to the coroner etc. The lack of forensic evidence is baffling.

[@Standup428]

I read that she was infatuated by a doctor that she knew would always come to aid when her evil behind was murdering those babies. Smh

[@MsAdlerHolmes]

I am curious what Dr Grande thinks about the fact that she refused to attend the verdict, refusing, essenfially, to hear the inpact statements from family who lost their babies to her cruelty. It's just such a callous and deliberate choice to make. If, like Doc said, she enjoyed causing frustration and distress, then it seems like one more act to cause her victims (and those who are even affected by her crimes from a distance) a bit more pain and frustration. Its almost like she can feel the pain she's causing and she simply cannot resist the opportunity to hurt others more. I wonder what she was like at school. Is there someone, somewhere, who was singled out by her privately, behind closed doors where no one could see. A weaker peer she picked on, or maybe found a way to be cruel to others from a distance?

[@brucedonaldson8680]

That is a fantastic analysis on this case. I wonder why she was attracted to intense negative emotions rather that intense positive emotions?

[@denisemoore6134]

There are so many experts on here.

[@Anita_Backrub]

My oldest boy had a reoccurring illness throughout his childhood and when his body would relapse we would have to spend a week in the hospital to get his body regulated. I wouldn’t leave him unless his Dad could be there. My husband would come on his off hours from work so I could go home and shower, see my other boys, etc. One of us were always there.

[@trixi1608]

That isn't everybody's reality though.

[@TommyKing-m3f]

I thought murdering babies was as bad as it gets, but sending cards to the parents of the child that she killed ups the ante a little bit more. Truly just pure evil.

[@tripledair]

Lucy: "I am evil, I did this. I don't deserve to live." General Public: FACTS.

[@manuelajager8517]

She could take care of it, she knows how.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

​@@manuelajager8517Oooh noooo, she should suffer and be haunted by the cries of the babies she killed for all eternity.

[@zealman79]

@@manuelajager8517 they won't let her - she needs to pay living in fear for the rest of her life

[@Aliciae411]

@@manuelajager8517she’s on 24 hr suicide watch

[@KS-PNW]

​@@zealman79I think you might be right. My understanding is that babykillers in womens prison tend to have it even worse then chomos in men's prison. I imagine the remainder of her life will be spent in isolation, wondering every day if this is gonna be the day the other inmates get ahold of her...

[@Bobmudu35UK]

The hospital management who were consistently warned about this nurse, by consultant paediatricians,and who consistently defended her should be sacked and investigated by the police for neglegence. RIP little ones! ❤️

[@eadweard.]

It's very obvious in hindsight.

[@angelofmalice0]

This happens all the time for minor infractions, it was only a matter of time the way they protect medical personnel would cause a tragedy like this.

[@eadweard.]

@@ekl2947 Sadly we are doomed to live life forwards and analyse it backwards.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@eadweard. It was obvious at the time🙄

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ekl2947 Didn't all 7 apologise? Two went to mediation

[@MM-gd1dw]

As a former perinatal nurse and a mother who lost a baby, this case absolutely infuriates me. I don't understand such evil towards the little powerless Innocents. Thank you, Dr. Grande.

[@justbreakingballs]

It's not understandable really no sane person can put themselves in that mental space because it's too far off the spectrum to even imagine.

[@richardgallagher4880]

Didn't support the lokcdown did you doc?

[@deeliciousgrapes]

I am so sorry for your loss😢

[@deeliciousgrapes]

​​@@richardgallagher4880learn how to spell "lockdown" and understand the difference between a doctor and a nurse. I support special education for people like you.

[@kenya1067]

My condolences.

[@swampophelia2098]

Shame on the managers who refused to listen and actually made dr jayaram apologise in both writing and face to face ………the managers should be charged with corporate manslaughter

[@MakerInMotion]

My impression is that its almost impossible to be fired from the NHS.

[@richardgallagher4880]

Every single nurse and doctor killed 4⁰0k+ in the lokcdown

[@gejost]

As Dr Grandw says, the reason they were made to apologize was because she was armed with lawyers threatening lawsuits. Obviously the evidence was not as cut and dried as the "OMG, she was White, so that's why she got away with this narrative would suggest". People noticed a pattern that she was involved with cases where babies died. The methods she used were not that easy to detect.

[@M123Xoxo]

Name and shame them! Alison Kelly, Karen Rees and Ian Harvey have blood on their hands

[@dammar117]

@M123Xoxo Thank you for naming these individuals. Too often, we speak of "the system," "the government," "society," "the organization," in this case, "the hospital," etc. By blaming amorphous entities, nobody is really accountable.

[@colinjava8447]

She was right about not getting married or having children or a family, and the world is better off without her.

[@silver4831]

Not seen all the guys saying she is innocent and pretty? Its pretty sick to me. She will be out early on compassionate reasons and end up with some weirdo.

[@colinjava8447]

@@silver4831 I doubt it, she might get let out but I'd guess after 25-30 years. Hopefully she never gets out though.

[@hlwhhlwh2351]

​@@silver4831She's never going to get out she has been given multiple whole life tariffs. That means no parole or review of sentences.

[@silver4831]

@@hlwhhlwh2351 Not really. All it takes it another judge to overturn it or a good lawyer.

[@irenemax3574]

Hmm, she might have heaps of babies whilst in prison.

[@millenka8089]

The administrators of this hospital need to be investigate as well. Apparently they all ignored repeated complaints and suspicions made by medical specialist to the point where it looked like a cover up. All those in authority who defended her need to be investigated.

[@nmartin5551]

Sure. When they get back from the “board meeting” in some Caribbean island destination.

[@donkeyshot8472]

exactly. how do we even know for sure that lucy letby acted alone? we don`t.

[@SloverOfTeuth]

​@@donkeyshot8472We know little or nothing "for sure". However, after a lengthy investigation by the police, there seems to be nothing to suggest someone else was involved.

[@caroledowie1773]

The Managers should have been held accountable. Instead they just walked into similar positions in other hospitals. Unbelievable!

[@Itsunclegabby]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@just.jaimie.]

As an L&D nurse, this is terrifying. There is nothing worse then the cry of a mother who has lost a baby and being helpless to comfort her in any way. Fathers too, though they generally are more stoic and my guess is fall apart later. I can not imagine a person having a desire to cause that pain, I guess “evil” is not a psychological term but I would argue that she did show insight when she called herself evil.

[@sofiar3176]

100% agree. The sound of a mother crying over her lost child is the most agonizing heartbreaking sounds I’ve ever heard.

[@chuckmoney1688]

@@sofiar3176 I'd suggest that a mother crying over a daughter wrongfully imprisoned for life might also be heartbreaking.

[@zopEnglandzip]

Experiencing a child die is probably worse than listening to someone cry about it.

[@chuckmoney1688]

@@zopEnglandzip Maybe, but wrongful imprisonment would be the same for the family of the wrongfully convicted, the court case was a sham and the MSM coverage a disgrace alsong with the worlds pscho babble doctors who made their diagnosis from the MSM

[@davidr.t529]

I've worked in the NICU and let me tell you, it doesn't take much to cause harm to those angels because they are so incredibly fragile. RIP little ones.

[@texasrefugee7888]

That's why I would not work in NICU. The nurses there are incredible angels Who love what they do

[@Alexandra-dy2ns]

Sadly, you're right, however, even more so I'll never be able to understand how anyone could do this. Mine's birth weight was a little low. Nothing of concern, but he was so small. I'll always remember the tiny features, the warm skin, the soft baby hair, how adorable he was. I honestly think not only would I never be able to harm a baby (or anybody that is) mentally, I also couldn't do it physically. My entire body would try to resist such an act. It's just unfathomable. You had a wonderful job caring for little angels, thank you for doing it.

[@Andrea-ld9cy]

@@texasrefugee7888 erhhhh no, not all

[@texasrefugee7888]

@Alexandra-dy2ns L o l I thought about the smell immediately. D***, it's been so long. I forgot the name of that white protective baby stuff..add-vernix I worked in post partem with the mothers. Nobody treats mothers as well as they should be treated!! These poor Mother's are so torn up after.! But I would often go work in the well baby side. When they were shorthanded Usually because the well baby nurses had to run into NICU I would rock and burp the babies. But I told them I do not want to stick babies. I did it a couple of times I hated it so cruel I hated it. It's like welcome to the world pain pain 😆 O m g I would assist with circumcision that was so tramatic. Watching that poor little boy chin quiver and him cry it was terrible. Postpartum is usually a very happy place. Except you'll see a lot of family dysfunction like you do everywhere. But then when a baby is not born healthy, it can be very sad..

[@Mira-gu6we]

God have mercy on those poor little souls!

[@michelleshephard9690]

I am a nurse in the UK. It is shocking and devastating that hospital management did not explore the Paediatricians concerns. It's just an awful situation for everyone concerned

[@JitzyJT]

I hope this case won't come back and bite entire nursing department

[@Watcher6868]

Look at the facts, the doctor’s last name and a history of prejudice. Had this doctor had a name like Smith or Gaylord perhaps they would have scrutinized differently. It would be interesting to know the ethnic background of these victims. This sick person deserves a similar treatment to what she strives to provide these premature babies. This includes insulin overdose, blow her with air until her brain explodes and unequivocal sadism. May jail be her home in the meantime.

[@JitzyJT]

@@Watcher6868 Ravi Jayaram was not the only doctor who raised concerns....There were two other consultants as well. Those two were ethnic Brit

[@opallunar]

​@@JitzyJTI hope it comes back and bites the managers department in the jugular.

[@yehmen29]

@@JitzyJT Even before this case, I didn't trust the NHS. I am too old to have children now, however when I was younger, one of my big concerns was that if I ever got pregnant I absolutely wanted to be followed in France (by doctors of my own choosing - I know way too many bad French doctors) and to give birth there... especially as twins run in my family (on both sides but especially on my father's side) and if I had given birth to twins, it is almost a given that one of both twins would have had to spend some time in a neonatal care, and potentiallly an intensive care unit. I am going to have even less trust towards the NHS from now on, especially considering the way the whistleblowers were treated (they could have lost their job!). And just imagine if Lucy had had enough insight to stop killing babies early on, and had gotten herself a job at a different hospital, or had moved to New Zealand, which apparently she had contemplated at one point. Moving hospitals regularly was what enabled Charles Cullen to carry on killing patients for so long: the hospitals had to give him a neutral reference as otherwise he could have taken them to court. For comparison, I cannot get a reference from my former employer because I refused to sign a NDA (I was victim of bullying and sexual harassment, was eventually dx with cancer, and forced to resign - I spent 12 to 15 hours pw , up to 4 hours and a half a day, in disciplinary meetings, and it was just playing havoc with my health, especially as I then had to stay in the office until 9pm, 10pm, 11pm, to finish my work...)

[@christinekelman6178]

She is a sadist. Killing defenceless babies in the most painful way. She enjoyed the power over life and death. She is still exerting her power by refusing to attend the sentencing and impact statements. Causing even more pain to the victim’s families. Pure evil

[@karensinclair4189]

She should be made by the judge to listen to the victim impact statements.

[@dammar117]

And what do victim impact statements achieve, according to all of you? Do you think for one second that this will make the killer regret their actions? And even if it did, which is very unlikely, does their regret do anything for a grieving parent or family member? No. If I was a victim's family member, I would not give the murderer the time of my day by sharing my grief and my pain with them.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

​@@dammar117Victim impact statement can be healing for the families. It's not about her.

[@justinw1765]

What is strange is that her writings suggest that she was very conflicted, confused, and feeling very guilty about what she was doing. Most serial killers tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths that completely lack any sense of right or wrong, affective empathy, conscience and internal sense of ethics. They don't really feel all that conflicted or confused by their urges and their actions. If any conflicted feelings are experienced, it is more about the fear of being found out, and even that tends to be damped down because they don't experience fear as intensely as us normies. Other than her actions, she doesn't present as a psychopath or sociopath. Something(s) else is going on here.

[@alexpopowski1318]

@@justinw1765sadists must have empathy by definition. It’s just a twisted version of it.

[@senseipaans]

I really hope they study her in greater depth. What her childhood was like, her parents, friends. Other than knowing she's guilty,we don't know much more. Female killers are rare enough, let alone serial killers so I am very curious to know WHAT went wrong with her and if her tendencies ever manifested themselves to other people. Animal cruelty, etc.

[@charlenedell6788]

What we need most is Her explanation of why?!.. that I think she will never tell. It’s her strongest assist, I think she will take it to her death.

[@nickc5417]

@@charlenedell6788 You assume she knows why....

[@paddlefar9175]

@@charlenedell6788I think the reason she did it was for the power trip that she got out of it. She could marvel at the power she had, to end a life, and then she likely found it quite interesting to watch the effects that the death had on others. She likely had a sick sense of superiority in knowing that she did it unbeknownst to everyone else and that she was the one solely in control of these people’s lives. She was likely quite fascinated by the grief behaviours she saw displayed in the grieving victims, an ability foreign to her; emotions that her brain never manifested as she was incapable of feeling empathy, guilt, remorse, love, etc., but it was probably interesting for her to watch it in others who did have these social emotions. As a psychopath, she is not a social being, like the majority of us are. Having emotions like love, joy, endearment, empathy are something she just doesn’t experience and when those behaviours were seen in the sick baby’s parents, she was both fascinated, puzzled and maybe even frustrated or angry too, because she knew that she was devoid of those emotions. Being a Psychopath must be one of the worst things that can ever happen to a human being!

[@Chi_xxx]

A lot of women lack empathy with other women’s babies. She also may have lost her own. Many women hide it very well

[@helenestiernstrand6575]

Born like that.

[@GordonHeaney]

The way the hospital dealt with this case was appalling

[@jillhopper5614]

Agreed. In my view there can be no excuse whatsoever for the refusal of the management to even consider taking any action much sooner. Does this point to fear for their own and the hospital's reputation if there was found to be a threat to lives in their hospital? Unlike at the time of the other two extreme murderous medical cases here in the UK, times are different nowadays. Due to technology, the public are more aware of certain personality disorders and how crimes are not necessarily committed by obvious 'monsters'. The awful irony is not lost on us that this organisation is in the business of caring... Plus the fact that answers can soon be dealt with by forensic science. I can't bear to think of the devastation... it's too upsetting even just hearing about it all...

[@florenceobrien2822]

Appajljnv

[@juliedaly2381]

Yes

[@opallunar]

Overpaid management love staff who pick up all the short shifts. NHS has a major staffing problem for well over 10 years. She took advantage of that

[@Grawlix_Jungle]

And they either retired and moved away or faced no consequences

[@janegardener1662]

Such a horrible case. Killing and injuring innocent babies for attention, bizarre and disgusting.

[@kyleboulanger170]

There was a nurse in Texas in the early 80s named Genene Jones who poisoned countless infants because she resented doctors & nurses who had higher medical degrees than her.

[@deerinheadlights100]

I think she did it as a sort of passive aggressive psychological pain/discomfort release.

[@tylerjeb7888]

Why didn't she just join planned parenthood? They do it on a massive scale and it's completely legal!

[@SmartDave60]

@@tylerjeb7888I’m assuming the mothers in these cases didn’t choose abortion. That’s a huge difference.

[@janegardener1662]

@@tylerjeb7888 Planned Parenthood provides abortion services. It doesn't murder babies.

[@DakotaCrossed]

I live in the UK and this is a massive story here. Lucy is terrifying when you think about it, other people could be like lucy and we wouldn't even know it. You glossed over one big thing there was a massive cover up.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And the proof or verification of this "cover up" is where exactly? Who is covering anything up? Certainly not the hospital management. They backed Letby to the hilt.....

[@harveybarvey5080]

Lucy could be innocent. There was no direct evidence at all. The closest thing to any evidence was her diary notes and that means nothing. She might just be weird, depressed, unhinged but maybe not a killa

[@paulrichards6894]

think your post dakota is not going to age well................

[@MDWD]

There's nothing worse than a baby killer. Babies can't fight back. Sad case txs

[@ROYALP100]

I agree I just wish we Americans felt the same because many “Baby killers “ as you put it have been allowed to walk!

[@HubertDinklebean]

​​@@ROYALP100 There are millions of baby killers walking free they're called liberals.

[@deeliciousgrapes]

Agreed

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Any killer is as bad as a baby killer Killer has gun , you don't , can't fight back . Killing is killing all bad .

[@ROYALP100]

@@julienfroidevaux1143 I agree however I can tell you’re not from America because shooting people (Especially in Florida) is our national pastime.

[@relfyem]

Here in the UK there are also reports about texts sent to her colleagues, or their direct observations of Lucy during and after resuscitation attempts on babies that she had just attacked, where she seemed excited by the incident, which may give another source of gratification and motive. She was also said to be having a relationship with a married doctor there and exchanged texts with him, seeking reassurance that she did well in those emergency situations, and putting them both into the same 'boat', dealing with the stress and grief together, which is another apparent motive. I don't believe she particularly got anything from the pain, specifically, that she inflicted on the babies - they were just a means to an end - but she didn't care about the pain either.

[@ManiyaVinas]

so it was a case of pickmeism, she did it to gain male attention lol, moids would fck a chicken nugget

[@robbieross8591]

Surely hospitals and particularly neonatal wards should have CCTV cameras! That would prevent deranged evil murderers like this one.

[@lisamac8503]

But that might cost them money and you know how hospitals are about money!

[@SuzD0n]

​@@lisamac8503 In the UK, the health system is so chronically underfunded that pure avarice doesn't come into the equation at all.

[@opallunar]

Agreed, It would be put in the hallway as privacy and confidentiality is important in health care environment and should be maintained, cause you'd want privacy too when unwell. Worked in a hospital enviroment with some in the halls only

[@joelman1989]

My wife words in a NICU and they do have cameras they can use. Mostly so the mothers can check on the babies. But it’s actually illegal to have them on at all times. My wife actually forgets to turn them off and so on her shifts they are often on for the entirety. This has actually worked out wonderfully for her because she is a very caring nurse and the parents will often see her holding the baby for hours, changing linens (when it’s not her job) and reading to the babies even when unconscious. She’s broken the record in that hospital for parents submitting her name for awards. Sorry… I’m just a proud husband and she never brags or brings this up in conversation so I find any reason to. Anyway yeah, apparently there is a reason they don’t have cameras on all the time.

[@moneyguy2008]

​@@joelman1989Good story. Also, your wife * works

[@duvessa2003]

The letter which she wrote stated that she thought she would never be married. You don’t think her jealousy of the couples enjoying their newborns was a big part of this? I’d be interested to know if any of the infants belonged to a single parent.

[@dammar117]

In this case, a single mother.

[@graytoby1]

Did Lucy have a boyfriend or husband?

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

That occurred to me too. I wonder if it hurt her heart seeing the happy couples and their excitement and adoration for their new family members.

[@TheLondonLass]

I would love to know why she thought she could never marry.

[@JitzyJT]

no one would've bothered to introspect the mental state if the baby killer was a man

[@semeli2581]

Note: a consultant isn't an external investigator in the UK. A consultant is a top doctor in their field of expertise, the term describes the ranking of the doctor,. For example you have junior doctors and consultants. As such they didn't bring consultants in to investigate, instead the existing consultants/doctors raised concerns internally.

[@t-and-p]

If it helps our American friends to understand: when it comes to medicine, a British "consultant" is the equivalent of an American "attending" 👍

[@trace9657]

Thank you for the clarity, because I literally did think this was an external / 3rd party type consultant.

[@Felicity2121]

Don’t forget the senior house officers the registrars.

[@meredithisme3752]

Exactly fancy management ignoring all those consultants it's unthinkable

[@Hilz28]

​​@@t-and-pBoth are bureaucratic nonsense. Go to your legal authority. Post- haste. When a bunch of infants are endangered? Boom. That's what you do. Enough of this equivocation of "consultant" or "attending". England, America...doesn't matter. If it meant chain of command overrides, too bad. Those Clinicians will have to get over their arrogance and pride, start instituting better S.O.P. It is/was way too easy for a nice, blonde, white woman to get away with these monstrosities.

[@thesilversurfer7136]

I was born at 7 months and weighed 2 lbs. There was no neonatal unit. They stuck me in an incubator and hoped I lived. I lived to tell the tale. Glad there was no Lucy when I was born.

[@treeyellow4627]

Same here! I was in NICU for 2 months. So thankful I had caring nurses and Doctors. ❤

[@gubernatorial1723]

My G. Uncle Carl was born premature at 2 and half pounds ( Dad: 'everytime I hear the story he gets lighter') in 1892. No hope, the hospital said. His never too even-tempered pa blew a fuse, took him home and placed him above the coal range. He went on to be NZ swimming champion in every stroke and length, and just as short-tempered as his pa. As per previous comments it does show how upset parents can save their child's life by putting up a stink.

[@Burningheartcelosia]

Same! I wasn’t even born in a hospital with a nicu. I had to be transferred. But I was put into an incubator and basically fought my way here to tell the tale just as you. I came home on breathing and heart monitors. Also grateful no Lucy was near

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

Dear God, it's not a competition you eejits

[@987inuyasha]

Premie here too, my mom slept on the floor beside my crib, the nurses would bring blankets to her.

[@FurioussBear]

The fact that a whistle-blower that complained about her was made to apologise is shocking. Hope the person takes it further. Edit: whistle-blower, or person who suspected her and said something to management. Same difference. Calm down.. everyone losing their minds over a technicality

[@eadweard.]

Wasn't a whistle-blower. They just believed she did it.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@eadweard. Stop embarrassing yourself on every thread. There was a wissle blower it's not up for debate.

[@ronald3836]

​@@richardgallagher4880 There was no whistleblower here. Nobody blew the whistle. The person who had suspicions did NOT go the police when hospital management refused to call the police. Look up the definition of whistleblower if you disagree.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ronald3836 Who are you giving orders to? You've been told there was a wistle blower. Standing your feet and shouting no🤣🤣 Debate it clown.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ronald3836 You haven't got a clue what you're talking about😂😂 There was no person, there was atleast 7 an 2 of them at least bkew the wistle.

[@lynsey4224]

I will never understand how someone can get pleasure from causing harm to the most vulnerable people. This is disgraceful and heartbreaking and should have been stopped so much sooner than it was. Those poor babies 😢

[@powderandpaint14]

I don't think she took any enjoyment in harming them, although I may be wrong. She enjoyed the attention she got for helping to treat them and calling the doctors to help treat them. It seems like she didn't feel anything while hurting the babies though, which is chilling.

[@lynsey4224]

@@powderandpaint14 I'm not so sure, I often think these people get a thrill from being in control of another person's fate. Sort of like a God complex, having the power over whether a helpless victim will live or die. The attention she got from it is obviously a huge factor and probably the main one, but honestly I can't make sense of any of it. Makes my head hurt trying to rationalise the vile things people like her do.

[@iciajay6891]

It's about power. As a csa survivor. That's it. Power.

[@lucillasallabank]

It's called being a psychopath.

[@highdefinitionstanleytm9614]

Am I bad for thinking I could get extreme pleasure for inflicted extreme agonising pain on that excuse for a human being demon in plain site Lucy Letby.

[@chelseamag3125]

My twins just came home from NICU after being there for 45 days.. this makes me absolutely sick. I think some of the nurses thought I was crazy for being there basically 24/7, but this is exactly why.. this is every mothers biggest fear. She is a disgusting, despicable human.

[@ejammy1906]

Good for you! Watching over your babies 24/7 is what a responsible Mom does. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't understand the maternal instinct.

[@Arginne]

@@ejammy1906I mean I have plenty of maternal instinct and when youre a single woman whi just had a c section I was begging the nurses to take my baby so I could get some sleep. That doesnt make me less of a mother for needing help. Mothers cant do it alone. And its the nurses job to help

[@chiquitabanana89768]

​@@Arginne100%

[@TheCraydee]

You’re an amazing mother, kudos to you.

[@ejammy1906]

@@Arginne How is this about you? Your situation and Chelsea's are not equivalent. This must be one of the "interesting discussions" Dr. Grande talks about. LOL.

[@chorleycake7942]

I am sick to death of hearing about how “lessons must be learned” as an excuse from the hospital board.

[@PatyBN]

From anywhere really, the police, the politicians, hospitals. Lessons learned but sometimes people must be held accountable. It's revolting when someone talks about lessons learned as if it were magic and everything is going to be fine. Ask the victims and their families if they get magically healed, satisfied and/or relieved with that silly expression.

[@JJ-iq8mi]

Not just hospitals either.

[@yehmen29]

When I heard the hospital director using that hackneyed phrase, I nearly blew a gasket.

[@Dan-xx5jq]

All medical establishments all.over the world should be aware of Munchausen as part of their protocol and as part of their risk management plan. I believe it is common enough to be looking out for it in their staff. Sadly, that will not happen and many of these cases will continue to on unnoticed!! A male nurse was also convicted of the same. They all love playing the "hero".

[@boudicca7181]

100 % agree. why should the CEO's, managers get off like that.

[@nellyb2434]

I personally believe there are big clues in the letter that was found at her home. 'Why me?' I think she was angry and bitter that other people married and had children and she hadn't and didn't believe she ever would. She felt less than, 'not good enough' for the things other people had and that built up as huge resentment inside her. I think she had that serial killer mentality..taking the power back when she felt helpless, unloved, unattractive, not worthy in her eyes of a relationship and a family, so she sought revenge on those who were allowed that when she wasn't. She wanted to destroy their children and their happiness, and although she knew it was wrong and evil, she did it anyway because she realised there was something she had that they didn't...power and control. They might have achieved what she couldn't, but she had the ability to take it away. She would also have received attention being the nurse that was present when these poor babies died...so by making it happen, she got to be part of that drama, not just a bystander. One of the detectives described her as 'beige'. I think that's very astute...she is beige and I think she knew that. It's what she resented.

[@olilumgbalu5653]

I don't understand parents who want to hang on to a child (typically a daughter though sometimes a son) when they themselves moved out of their own parents home and started their own family. Very selfish. Also parents who expect their children (again, usually daughters) to care for them in their old age as a nurse would when they did not do the same for their own parents. Hypocritical and selfish.

[@tokitobe2450]

Either someone mentally broke her or she was born insane. This is a young, attractive, blonde, middle-class professional with no missing limbs, no deformities, no obesity. She has no foundation for her belief that she wouldn't find love.

[@Primrose-s8c]

She is not beige she is white.

[@helentaylor7132]

@@Primrose-s8c I'm guessing "beige" means unseen.

[@helentaylor7132]

Great analysis.

[@shantibel]

At least one of the babies who did survive her attempts is permanently grossly disabled, needing 24 hour care and assisted feeding and respiration. The horror of what was inflicted on the babies and their families is grotesque. God only knows what is wrong with her.

[@Alexandra-dy2ns]

I think her parents went through great lengths to conceive, then were overjoyed (as anyone would be) until Letby senselessly destroyed the baby's future. Maybe it's not God who knows what's wrong with her, but the devil.

[@Andrea-ld9cy]

Of all the heinous acts she did, this one got to me the most, that poor boy, what he or any of them children could have become.

[@paulsmartialarts]

@@Alexandra-dy2ns or it's a personality disorder

[@mjremy2605]

My god, I did not know this. What an evil monster. Poor child and poor parents. A healthy baby purposefully disabled. No greater crime.

[@MrSeanman30]

​@@Alexandra-dy2nswho made the Devil?

[@georginasawyer6524]

I listened to the podcast"the trial of lucy letby" and one of the sickest things I have heard is that she killed one of the babies and suggests to the parents that they can give the baby a final bath . She then walks into the room as the are bathing and chats to the parents and was comparing that bath to the last one that she did ...Is that not one of the sickest things that you have heard ? The only reason that the 3rd triplet survived is that the parents went crazy with the hospital and insisted that he get moved to another hospital ..they did ... he survived thank god .....she needs to be dragged up those stairs and be made to sit in the courtroom

[@hailey9117]

That is terrifying! Weird that she was comparing the babies final bath to her last one… Who knows what’s even going on there psychologically. Did she see herself in these infants somehow or want to be grieved over like the parents grieved their baby? Regardless, that is so sick…

[@nanalala9935]

this is sadistic and pure voyeurism

[@hakbug]

I heard she didn’t show up what a monster. Zero remorse

[@Al-kb2xl]

@@hailey9117op has got it incorrect.. she was saying she was there for that same babies first bath & saying how much they loved it. Still incredibly insensitive. The parents just wanted her to STFU

[@Rosachisp]

But the people who know because they had to know and did nothing and even protected her should be charged too they are just as guilty. They could have prevented her from killing had they had done something instead of denying the issue.

[@robotjox77]

I was born in this hospital and my kids were born in the Liverpool Women's Hospital, which is also being investigated now because of this woman.

[@BlueInk912]

Was she assigned there as well?

[@sarahdingwall3024]

My nephew was born in this hospital. Luckily he did not need to go to neo-natal so never came into contact with her.

[@sarahdingwall3024]

Yes, I they are now looking into the deaths of babies she treated there @@BlueInk912

[@Svetlana-says-it-as-it-is.]

@@BlueInk912Yes in the early days of her graduation or before that.

[@handelviola]

I hope all the admin people gets fired and criminally charged.

[@oliviaLOVEShenry]

Her parents are partly responsible. They threatened the 2 paediatricians who continued to complain about Lucy; Mr and Mrs Letby said they would report the doctors to the General Medical Council. Her parents were suffocating and controlling; they didn’t want her leaving home and living on her own. She was spoilt from the day she was born and her her mum and dad believe she’s innocent. Even now she’s still having tantrums, refusing to leave her cell to be sentenced and listen to the victim impact statements from the bereaved parents. She’s a monster!

[@sushantrajput6920]

Yes, her parents could be narcissists

[@manichairdo9265]

Her mother yelled out in court at the 1st 2 guilty verdicts. Something like are you serious? Etc. Gutted the judge didn't throw her out. Grrr.

[@aspreckley1]

Do they feel proud now they know their precious daughter is an EVIL murderer .

[@mandymckeown8625]

@@sushantrajput6920I was thinking that possibly the dad .he didn’t marry till later in life and he married a much younger woman somebody he could control and in turn controlled Letby . I doubt she just turned out like this . Definitely her upbringing. Cluster b personality narcissist or pysychopath

[@manichairdo9265]

She did actually own her own home. Got to see photos inside. In her bedroom, there's a large teddy lying on her bed. Face down, I think. Probably dead.

[@horrortackleharry]

Taking a photo of the sympathy card before she sent it is classic killer's souvenir-keeping. She wanted to re-live and revel in aspects of the crime (and her getting away with it) over and over.

[@robertmitchell8630]

White preveliege She got away for so long , due to her white preveliege

[@isbestlizard]

She searched all their Facebook profiles on the anniversary of the deaths, and christmas. She was hoping to see a post commemorating their dead child, to reignite the emotions. She is sick beyond words to describe, literally I cannot conceive how a mind can become so twisted and sadistic and broken.

[@JamesStaples]

Police also found hospital paperwork from the week in June 2016 when she returned from holiday and immediately killed again (Child O), paperwork she kept in a bag from the holiday resort.

[@server1ok]

Is she single ? what's her number ?

[@chrisgermann6658]

The devil is real and his influence is everywhere. Believe this and this twisted human will begin to make sense.@@isbestlizard

[@Everdawn_]

I am from the uk and this has absolutely shocked me, sickening, thank you for covering this, a wonderful analysis as always.

[@Everdawn_]

@@kingkarljfs7965 I watch tons of true crime, I've heard enough of what goes on on in wars and hostage situations. I've studied criminal psychology. I'm well aware how awful humans can be to one another but I will never become desensitised, it's still sick, it's still shocking what people are capable of. These were innocent babies, teeny innocent little souls with no defence, I am a mother and I dare not even try to put myself in those poor parents shoes, it is shocking and it's absolutely tragic.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

​@@kingkarljfs7965Oh shut up

[@teslasim]

Did you know that we send British troops to kill children in the third world? It’s shocking and sickening. I suppose they don’t really matter though

[@ekelly1642]

I ALWAYS feared some nurse doing something weird to my premature baby. I never left his side. He was there 28 days. They were annoyed with me sometimes. I slept in a recliner and ate from the cafe downstairs. Unfortunately, being a nurse myself, I know not all of them care or are good people. This is so sad, God please help thise families 😢💔

[@sarahjaye4117]

💚

[@manichairdo9265]

I've heard of this before...nurses being annoyed if a parent stays. Scary.

[@barrettesands]

It just breaks me that the little babies fought their way back to life, and she would go and go attacking them😥

[@daebak_hana]

🥺

[@kellyegan9824]

And in some cases she tried multiple times with certain babies.

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@jessicaolson490]

I think the difference is Lucy wanted to cause death while Beverly seemed to like the thrill of "saving" and just didn't care if that failed. For this reason I don't think Lucy has munchausen's by proxy, because they don't seek the death of their victims (or not primarily), rather the attention their victims bring to them when made sick. I read about some of the alleged things she said to grieving family, and she definitely seemed more sadistically attached to seeing the family's pain. (So maybe the families were her proxy and the infant just a tool to get her emotional fix). 🤢

[@carolynwilson7736]

“John Letby was convinced of his daughter’s innocence and received the backing of Tony Chambers, the hospital’s chief executive, who decided that Letby should be allowed to return to the unit in January 2017. When paediatric consultants angrily complained about his decision, Letby’s father threatened to refer them to the General Medical Council. They were forced to write her a letter of apology but maintained that she should not be allowed to return to the unit.” - the parents are accountable too

[@chiquitabanana89768]

I don't think so in the example u raise. They thought and believed she was innocent. The consultants should not have been swayed by a threat if they knew what they were saying is true

[@boudicca7181]

Yes, for sure. There is probably something wrong with her parents as well.

[@peaceangel-rl2hf]

I wonder if her father had connections in the hospital management

[@simonesimona8317]

​@peaceangel-rl2hf I think her parents' connections is what gave her the confidence to do it, so many times

[@carolynwilson7736]

The parents are 💯 accountable

[@lindaouellette6656]

I ran over a squirrel a couple of years ago 😢 and it still bothers me…damn, RIP poor babies 😢😢❤

[@boudicca7181]

I totally understand.

[@lauraturner9281]

I relate. 🥺

[@ignilc]

do you eat meat ?

[@jaysimpson6857]

@@ignilc That’s a good point and the only way I’m able to get over the death of various animals involved in my life and also what brings me to the conclusion that we live in a demonic world. I would have become a vegetarian a very long time ago if I wasn’t highly experienced in the problems that are encountered when removing meat for certain blood types and genetics in people, that’s not to say vegetarianism is bad for everyone because it isn’t.

[@lindaouellette6656]

@@ignilc yes, but not the squirrel!!! What’s your point??

[@jjm1709]

I just brought my baby from NICU after 3 long week stay. I just can’t believe how she even thought of killing these helpless tiny souls, who are really weak even to cry.

[@ag_ronin4934]

The narcissism oozing out of this "thing" Is almost unbelievable. even in its notebook it tried to get people to feel sorry for it And it felt sorry for itself. the fact that it even said why me? Is just mind-blowing. I hope the trial is speedy and it gets put down immediately.

[@christopherlloyd98]

Lucy’s notes and Personal Diary do NOT constitute Proof of any wrongdoing by her in any shape or form….and Certainly not a “near Confession as was stated”. Merely a common shift pattern - the “L mistaken for “LD” in the “secret code” fiasco, and the disjointed writings in Lucy’s Post - it (coloured) notes ……beating herself up because Lucy was by then being “fingered” by the “Authorities” for having caused @Baby harm”…… and by no means PROOF - as was virtually implied - of wrongdoing and a ‘confession’ by Lucy. Christopher Lloyd.

[@iamaliveyoucantstopnow]

that dear friend is called: COVERT NARCISSISM.

[@Bailey2006a]

Her bedroom looked like that of a 10 year old girl...teddy bears, stuffed animals and the like.. Arrested development,, for sure. This case is a nightmare come to life. The banality of evil writ large.

[@AR_112]

Arrested development? So perhaps she saw these babies almost like, dare I say, competition?

[@Bailey2006a]

@@AR_112 Intersting … very interesting !