Neonatal Nurse Transforms Into Serial Killer | Lucy Letby Case Analysis

[@cybermandan1960]

I live in the UK and this a HUGE news story right now! The amount of red flags ignored because she doesn't "look" like a killer, and doctors were even forced to apologise for raising suspicions about her! Remember the employee fired for warning about the Titan submarine? Anytime people are demonised for raising legitimate concerns, a tragedy is waiting.

[@MakerInMotion]

As if there was any "look" that means someone can't be a killer. I hate that chivalrous simp nonsense.

[@eden_aumakua]

What does a killer look like? Many killers don't look like killers. It's absolutely unconscionable!

[@tomsevcik1792]

@@eden_aumakuaagreed, immediately I thought of Tend Bundy. Such a “charming, and good looking man, with a great smile” and then they find out what he was about.

[@robertmitchell8630]

White preveliege She got away for so long , due to her white preveliege

[@bonnielee316]

I know. I see some killers that are pretty good looking and normal looking and I think to myself, I would date that person! 😳

[@leokimvideo]

Hospitals and age care homes are perfect environments for serial killers to hide in plain sight. Sadly it's not that uncommon.

[@angelabroom2861]

Well I've worked in both and I strongly disagree!!

[@GenZedsMother]

@@angelabroom2861the stats don’t lie. There’s no other industry that has serial killers.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@bloomingaccents Ons says the lokcdown these people support killed hundreds of k's. That makes them all serial killers

[@jaquinicole2936]

It would still b uncommon

[@Macbeth99]

​@@bloomingaccents No happily, it's very uncommon. I think though that because it's SO abhorrent to nearly everyone, it gets a great deal of attention, so it feels that it happens more often than it does

[@michelleshephard9690]

I am a nurse in the UK. It is shocking and devastating that hospital management did not explore the Paediatricians concerns. It's just an awful situation for everyone concerned

[@JitzyJT]

I hope this case won't come back and bite entire nursing department

[@Watcher6868]

Look at the facts, the doctor’s last name and a history of prejudice. Had this doctor had a name like Smith or Gaylord perhaps they would have scrutinized differently. It would be interesting to know the ethnic background of these victims. This sick person deserves a similar treatment to what she strives to provide these premature babies. This includes insulin overdose, blow her with air until her brain explodes and unequivocal sadism. May jail be her home in the meantime.

[@JitzyJT]

@@Watcher6868 Ravi Jayaram was not the only doctor who raised concerns....There were two other consultants as well. Those two were ethnic Brit

[@opallunar]

​@@JitzyJTI hope it comes back and bites the managers department in the jugular.

[@yehmen29]

@@JitzyJT Even before this case, I didn't trust the NHS. I am too old to have children now, however when I was younger, one of my big concerns was that if I ever got pregnant I absolutely wanted to be followed in France (by doctors of my own choosing - I know way too many bad French doctors) and to give birth there... especially as twins run in my family (on both sides but especially on my father's side) and if I had given birth to twins, it is almost a given that one of both twins would have had to spend some time in a neonatal care, and potentiallly an intensive care unit. I am going to have even less trust towards the NHS from now on, especially considering the way the whistleblowers were treated (they could have lost their job!). And just imagine if Lucy had had enough insight to stop killing babies early on, and had gotten herself a job at a different hospital, or had moved to New Zealand, which apparently she had contemplated at one point. Moving hospitals regularly was what enabled Charles Cullen to carry on killing patients for so long: the hospitals had to give him a neutral reference as otherwise he could have taken them to court. For comparison, I cannot get a reference from my former employer because I refused to sign a NDA (I was victim of bullying and sexual harassment, was eventually dx with cancer, and forced to resign - I spent 12 to 15 hours pw , up to 4 hours and a half a day, in disciplinary meetings, and it was just playing havoc with my health, especially as I then had to stay in the office until 9pm, 10pm, 11pm, to finish my work...)

[@kevrbr]

Lucy being drawn to the grieving parents like a parasite sucking up negative energy is like modern day demonic possession. She feeds off (or some entity) greif, guilt, dispare, trauma ect.

[@DivinelyGuidedFem]

Absolutely and good discernment as I was puzzled as to why she circled back to see her damage. The battle is between unseen rulers and powers not flesh and blood. When I look at her I see a demon

[@charliesierra2490]

It's not demons. It's severe, incurable mental illness.

[@smith549371]

she literally spells out her true motives in her ramblings in that note. She was jealous of these people because she was alone and didn’t think she would ever have a family and be happy like them. It was literally spite and hatred that drove her to do it because she saw their lives as better than hers and she wanted to rob them of their joy. Her being around them after was more likely her revelling in their sadness and stalking their socials would be for the same reason. She was contented by the misery that she caused as if it made her feel better about her own situation.

[@Liam-zw1ek]

A five year old could have come to the correct conclusion quicker than this hospital. It was plainly obvious that she was murdering infants. Hey Lucy, 'you'll never get out of prison alive,' will you?

[@VivaSepulchre]

DANDELO

[@davidr.t529]

I've worked in the NICU and let me tell you, it doesn't take much to cause harm to those angels because they are so incredibly fragile. RIP little ones.

[@texasrefugee7888]

That's why I would not work in NICU. The nurses there are incredible angels Who love what they do

[@Alexandra-dy2ns]

Sadly, you're right, however, even more so I'll never be able to understand how anyone could do this. Mine's birth weight was a little low. Nothing of concern, but he was so small. I'll always remember the tiny features, the warm skin, the soft baby hair, how adorable he was. I honestly think not only would I never be able to harm a baby (or anybody that is) mentally, I also couldn't do it physically. My entire body would try to resist such an act. It's just unfathomable. You had a wonderful job caring for little angels, thank you for doing it.

[@Andrea-ld9cy]

@@texasrefugee7888 erhhhh no, not all

[@texasrefugee7888]

@Alexandra-dy2ns L o l I thought about the smell immediately. D***, it's been so long. I forgot the name of that white protective baby stuff..add-vernix I worked in post partem with the mothers. Nobody treats mothers as well as they should be treated!! These poor Mother's are so torn up after.! But I would often go work in the well baby side. When they were shorthanded Usually because the well baby nurses had to run into NICU I would rock and burp the babies. But I told them I do not want to stick babies. I did it a couple of times I hated it so cruel I hated it. It's like welcome to the world pain pain 😆 O m g I would assist with circumcision that was so tramatic. Watching that poor little boy chin quiver and him cry it was terrible. Postpartum is usually a very happy place. Except you'll see a lot of family dysfunction like you do everywhere. But then when a baby is not born healthy, it can be very sad..

[@Mira-gu6we]

God have mercy on those poor little souls!

[@christinekelman6178]

She is a sadist. Killing defenceless babies in the most painful way. She enjoyed the power over life and death. She is still exerting her power by refusing to attend the sentencing and impact statements. Causing even more pain to the victim’s families. Pure evil

[@karensinclair4189]

She should be made by the judge to listen to the victim impact statements.

[@dammar117]

And what do victim impact statements achieve, according to all of you? Do you think for one second that this will make the killer regret their actions? And even if it did, which is very unlikely, does their regret do anything for a grieving parent or family member? No. If I was a victim's family member, I would not give the murderer the time of my day by sharing my grief and my pain with them.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

​@@dammar117Victim impact statement can be healing for the families. It's not about her.

[@justinw1765]

What is strange is that her writings suggest that she was very conflicted, confused, and feeling very guilty about what she was doing. Most serial killers tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths that completely lack any sense of right or wrong, affective empathy, conscience and internal sense of ethics. They don't really feel all that conflicted or confused by their urges and their actions. If any conflicted feelings are experienced, it is more about the fear of being found out, and even that tends to be damped down because they don't experience fear as intensely as us normies. Other than her actions, she doesn't present as a psychopath or sociopath. Something(s) else is going on here.

[@alexpopowski1318]

@@justinw1765sadists must have empathy by definition. It’s just a twisted version of it.

[@millenka8089]

The administrators of this hospital need to be investigate as well. Apparently they all ignored repeated complaints and suspicions made by medical specialist to the point where it looked like a cover up. All those in authority who defended her need to be investigated.

[@nmartin5551]

Sure. When they get back from the “board meeting” in some Caribbean island destination.

[@donkeyshot8472]

exactly. how do we even know for sure that lucy letby acted alone? we don`t.

[@SloverOfTeuth]

​@@donkeyshot8472We know little or nothing "for sure". However, after a lengthy investigation by the police, there seems to be nothing to suggest someone else was involved.

[@caroledowie1773]

The Managers should have been held accountable. Instead they just walked into similar positions in other hospitals. Unbelievable!

[@MaynardsSpaceship]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@DakotaCrossed]

I live in the UK and this is a massive story here. Lucy is terrifying when you think about it, other people could be like lucy and we wouldn't even know it. You glossed over one big thing there was a massive cover up.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And the proof or verification of this "cover up" is where exactly? Who is covering anything up? Certainly not the hospital management. They backed Letby to the hilt.....

[@harveybarvey5080]

Lucy could be innocent. There was no direct evidence at all. The closest thing to any evidence was her diary notes and that means nothing. She might just be weird, depressed, unhinged but maybe not a killa

[@khaledhussain3214]

@@harveybarvey5080 When she was removed from the hospital, the baby deaths reduced, dramatically. I think that their is overwhelming evidence as to what happened.

[@MM-gd1dw]

As a former perinatal nurse and a mother who lost a baby, this case absolutely infuriates me. I don't understand such evil towards the little powerless Innocents. Thank you, Dr. Grande.

[@justbreakingballs]

It's not understandable really no sane person can put themselves in that mental space because it's too far off the spectrum to even imagine.

[@richardgallagher4880]

Didn't support the lokcdown did you doc?

[@deeliciousgrapes]

I am so sorry for your loss😢

[@deeliciousgrapes]

​​@@richardgallagher4880learn how to spell "lockdown" and understand the difference between a doctor and a nurse. I support special education for people like you.

[@kenya1067]

My condolences.

[@pandora8478]

The management of the hospital need to be charged. They had it in their power to stop more murders.

[@albin2232]

Corporate Manslaughter.

[@Whitestripe71]

The two senior managers who were responsible for the decisions made at the time have since left their positions - they left at around the time of Letby's arrest. So the current management is different. But there is going to be an inquiry into this case, so those original managers could potentially be facing legal consequences further down the line.

[@meredithisme3752]

The management who resigned should be held accountable and hopefully will be

[@cameroncameron2826]

Stem Cell harvesting operation.

[@peaceangel-rl2hf]

They can be sued in negligence- breach of duty of care. Nhs now liable to families for millions

[@Bobmudu35UK]

The hospital management who were consistently warned about this nurse, by consultant paediatricians,and who consistently defended her should be sacked and investigated by the police for neglegence. RIP little ones! ❤️

[@eadweard.]

It's very obvious in hindsight.

[@angelofmalice0]

This happens all the time for minor infractions, it was only a matter of time the way they protect medical personnel would cause a tragedy like this.

[@eadweard.]

@@ekl2947 Sadly we are doomed to live life forwards and analyse it backwards.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@eadweard. It was obvious at the time🙄

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ekl2947 Didn't all 7 apologise? Two went to mediation

[@sunnysmiles8211]

Love the whimsical cacti 🌵 keeping Dr Grande company while he’s making videos. It’s unique and endearing.

[@GordonHeaney]

The way the hospital dealt with this case was appalling

[@jillhopper5614]

Agreed. In my view there can be no excuse whatsoever for the refusal of the management to even consider taking any action much sooner. Does this point to fear for their own and the hospital's reputation if there was found to be a threat to lives in their hospital? Unlike at the time of the other two extreme murderous medical cases here in the UK, times are different nowadays. Due to technology, the public are more aware of certain personality disorders and how crimes are not necessarily committed by obvious 'monsters'. The awful irony is not lost on us that this organisation is in the business of caring... Plus the fact that answers can soon be dealt with by forensic science. I can't bear to think of the devastation... it's too upsetting even just hearing about it all...

[@florenceobrien2822]

Appajljnv

[@juliedaly2381]

Yes

[@opallunar]

Overpaid management love staff who pick up all the short shifts. NHS has a major staffing problem for well over 10 years. She took advantage of that

[@Grawlix_Jungle]

And they either retired and moved away or faced no consequences

[@swampophelia2098]

Shame on the managers who refused to listen and actually made dr jayaram apologise in both writing and face to face ………the managers should be charged with corporate manslaughter

[@MakerInMotion]

My impression is that its almost impossible to be fired from the NHS.

[@richardgallagher4880]

Every single nurse and doctor killed 4⁰0k+ in the lokcdown

[@gejost]

As Dr Grandw says, the reason they were made to apologize was because she was armed with lawyers threatening lawsuits. Obviously the evidence was not as cut and dried as the "OMG, she was White, so that's why she got away with this narrative would suggest". People noticed a pattern that she was involved with cases where babies died. The methods she used were not that easy to detect.

[@M123Xoxo]

Name and shame them! Alison Kelly, Karen Rees and Ian Harvey have blood on their hands

[@dammar117]

@M123Xoxo Thank you for naming these individuals. Too often, we speak of "the system," "the government," "society," "the organization," in this case, "the hospital," etc. By blaming amorphous entities, nobody is really accountable.

[@robbieross8591]

Surely hospitals and particularly neonatal wards should have CCTV cameras! That would prevent deranged evil murderers like this one.

[@lisamac8503]

But that might cost them money and you know how hospitals are about money!

[@SuzD0n]

​@@lisamac8503 In the UK, the health system is so chronically underfunded that pure avarice doesn't come into the equation at all.

[@opallunar]

Agreed, It would be put in the hallway as privacy and confidentiality is important in health care environment and should be maintained, cause you'd want privacy too when unwell. Worked in a hospital enviroment with some in the halls only

[@joelman1989]

My wife words in a NICU and they do have cameras they can use. Mostly so the mothers can check on the babies. But it’s actually illegal to have them on at all times. My wife actually forgets to turn them off and so on her shifts they are often on for the entirety. This has actually worked out wonderfully for her because she is a very caring nurse and the parents will often see her holding the baby for hours, changing linens (when it’s not her job) and reading to the babies even when unconscious. She’s broken the record in that hospital for parents submitting her name for awards. Sorry… I’m just a proud husband and she never brags or brings this up in conversation so I find any reason to. Anyway yeah, apparently there is a reason they don’t have cameras on all the time.

[@moneyguy2008]

​@@joelman1989Good story. Also, your wife * works

[@just.jaimie.]

As an L&D nurse, this is terrifying. There is nothing worse then the cry of a mother who has lost a baby and being helpless to comfort her in any way. Fathers too, though they generally are more stoic and my guess is fall apart later. I can not imagine a person having a desire to cause that pain, I guess “evil” is not a psychological term but I would argue that she did show insight when she called herself evil.

[@sofiar3176]

100% agree. The sound of a mother crying over her lost child is the most agonizing heartbreaking sounds I’ve ever heard.

[@chuckmoney1688]

@@sofiar3176 I'd suggest that a mother crying over a daughter wrongfully imprisoned for life might also be heartbreaking.

[@zopEnglandzip]

Experiencing a child die is probably worse than listening to someone cry about it.

[@chuckmoney1688]

@@zopEnglandzip Maybe, but wrongful imprisonment would be the same for the family of the wrongfully convicted, the court case was a sham and the MSM coverage a disgrace alsong with the worlds pscho babble doctors who made their diagnosis from the MSM

[@beulize1380]

normally from what i see with dads is they try their best to seem "strong," idk why but it can also be to add less feels and worsen the mood. but i tell you a dads are no different, no mater if it is right when they find out or later, it is so sad to hear

[@semeli2581]

Note: a consultant isn't an external investigator in the UK. A consultant is a top doctor in their field of expertise, the term describes the ranking of the doctor,. For example you have junior doctors and consultants. As such they didn't bring consultants in to investigate, instead the existing consultants/doctors raised concerns internally.

[@t-and-p]

If it helps our American friends to understand: when it comes to medicine, a British "consultant" is the equivalent of an American "attending" 👍

[@trace9657]

Thank you for the clarity, because I literally did think this was an external / 3rd party type consultant.

[@Felicity2121]

Don’t forget the senior house officers the registrars.

[@meredithisme3752]

Exactly fancy management ignoring all those consultants it's unthinkable

[@Hilz28]

​​@@t-and-pBoth are bureaucratic nonsense. Go to your legal authority. Post- haste. When a bunch of infants are endangered? Boom. That's what you do. Enough of this equivocation of "consultant" or "attending". England, America...doesn't matter. If it meant chain of command overrides, too bad. Those Clinicians will have to get over their arrogance and pride, start instituting better S.O.P. It is/was way too easy for a nice, blonde, white woman to get away with these monstrosities.

[@chelseamag3125]

My twins just came home from NICU after being there for 45 days.. this makes me absolutely sick. I think some of the nurses thought I was crazy for being there basically 24/7, but this is exactly why.. this is every mothers biggest fear. She is a disgusting, despicable human.

[@ejammy1906]

Good for you! Watching over your babies 24/7 is what a responsible Mom does. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't understand the maternal instinct.

[@Arginne]

@@ejammy1906I mean I have plenty of maternal instinct and when youre a single woman whi just had a c section I was begging the nurses to take my baby so I could get some sleep. That doesnt make me less of a mother for needing help. Mothers cant do it alone. And its the nurses job to help

[@MilasPuppies]

​@@Arginne100%

[@run3ycb0w]

You’re an amazing mother, kudos to you.

[@ejammy1906]

@@Arginne How is this about you? Your situation and Chelsea's are not equivalent. This must be one of the "interesting discussions" Dr. Grande talks about. LOL.

[@janegardener1662]

Such a horrible case. Killing and injuring innocent babies for attention, bizarre and disgusting.

[@kyleboulanger170]

There was a nurse in Texas in the early 80s named Genene Jones who poisoned countless infants because she resented doctors & nurses who had higher medical degrees than her.

[@deerinheadlights100]

I think she did it as a sort of passive aggressive psychological pain/discomfort release.

[@tylerjeb7888]

Why didn't she just join planned parenthood? They do it on a massive scale and it's completely legal!

[@SmartDave60]

@@tylerjeb7888I’m assuming the mothers in these cases didn’t choose abortion. That’s a huge difference.

[@janegardener1662]

@@tylerjeb7888 Planned Parenthood provides abortion services. It doesn't murder babies.

[@CaulkMongler]

I can’t imagine the vindication in knowing you were right to raise concerns over her track record but the simultaneous pain in feeling like if I maybe pushed harder I could’ve saved even one more baby and prevented the grieving of a family.

[@tessiesantiago2858]

Normally whistleblowers get crucified

[@tripledair]

Lucy: "I am evil, I did this. I don't deserve to live." General Public: FACTS.

[@Aliciae411]

@manuelajager8517she’s on 24 hr suicide watch

[@KS-PNW]

​@@zealman79I think you might be right. My understanding is that babykillers in womens prison tend to have it even worse then chomos in men's prison. I imagine the remainder of her life will be spent in isolation, wondering every day if this is gonna be the day the other inmates get ahold of her...

[@cameroncameron2826]

@@zealman79 Yes. Usually.. So if she gets the opportunity i'll wonder who else was in on this hence let her do it ( well if the deceased does suicide when this happens cos thats not guaranteed either is it. )

[@gusgrizzel8397]

Perhaps the note was a way to control the police. She figured once they were onto her, she'd set things up so they would question their conclusions.

[@zealman79]

@@KS-PNWThe majority of women in prison are nuturing mothers/aunties, who went a bit wayward, so if they get a chance at a baby killer they'll do it and the prison guards will do a half arsed job of stopping it because they agree with the prisoners on this one...

[@lynsey4224]

I will never understand how someone can get pleasure from causing harm to the most vulnerable people. This is disgraceful and heartbreaking and should have been stopped so much sooner than it was. Those poor babies 😢

[@powderandpaint14]

I don't think she took any enjoyment in harming them, although I may be wrong. She enjoyed the attention she got for helping to treat them and calling the doctors to help treat them. It seems like she didn't feel anything while hurting the babies though, which is chilling.

[@lynsey4224]

@@powderandpaint14 I'm not so sure, I often think these people get a thrill from being in control of another person's fate. Sort of like a God complex, having the power over whether a helpless victim will live or die. The attention she got from it is obviously a huge factor and probably the main one, but honestly I can't make sense of any of it. Makes my head hurt trying to rationalise the vile things people like her do.

[@iciajay6891]

It's about power. As a csa survivor. That's it. Power.

[@lucillasallabank]

It's called being a psychopath.

[@highdefinitionstanleytm9614]

Am I bad for thinking I could get extreme pleasure for inflicted extreme agonising pain on that excuse for a human being demon in plain site Lucy Letby.

[@thesilversurfer7136]

I was born at 7 months and weighed 2 lbs. There was no neonatal unit. They stuck me in an incubator and hoped I lived. I lived to tell the tale. Glad there was no Lucy when I was born.

[@treeyellow4627]

Same here! I was in NICU for 2 months. So thankful I had caring nurses and Doctors. ❤

[@gubernatorial1723]

My G. Uncle Carl was born premature at 2 and half pounds ( Dad: 'everytime I hear the story he gets lighter') in 1892. No hope, the hospital said. His never too even-tempered pa blew a fuse, took him home and placed him above the coal range. He went on to be NZ swimming champion in every stroke and length, and just as short-tempered as his pa. As per previous comments it does show how upset parents can save their child's life by putting up a stink.

[@Burningheartcelosia]

Same! I wasn’t even born in a hospital with a nicu. I had to be transferred. But I was put into an incubator and basically fought my way here to tell the tale just as you. I came home on breathing and heart monitors. Also grateful no Lucy was near

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

Dear God, it's not a competition you eejits

[@987inuyasha]

Premie here too, my mom slept on the floor beside my crib, the nurses would bring blankets to her.

[@terrimonture2027]

I’m fascinated by this case, it’s like she’s getting off on the pain and anguish generated by the death of each child. She’s like a vampire feeding on intense emotion. I guess it’s the same equivalency of a sadistic killer who is literally getting off on the torture of another human being and relishing the intense pain and fear they are generating. What a monster, it’s so incredible that there are these creatures walking around in a human skin literally preying on emotion.

[@ManiyaVinas]

Trust me, once she acts out towards a fellow prisoner who isn't having it (aka biatch slappin her) she'll suddenly not smile like a dmb biatch anymore and experience fear herself

[@christopherlloyd98]

??@@ManiyaVinas

[@minniemoe4797]

Lucy Letby has typical psychopathic traits : an urge for emotional stimulation due to the lack of her own emotions and boredom that drove her for "experiments"

[@TSquare7741]

She sounds lk a sociopath… not sure why Dr. Grande didn’t talk about that? They lack function of their amygdala and only actually ‘feel’ things that are hugely intense… many serial killers are sociopaths…

[@dmgsoultogetherness6667]

read the new yorker report

[@normadom]

"A grief collector"...a chilling phrase as ascribed to Letby in the wake of her conviction. Her reactions towards the killings are typical of a serial killer; sadism being a core component of her morbid enjoyment of perpetrating the act on the most helpless and vulnerable of beings.

[@fairyprincess911]

No different than a bone collector. And yes, she is really just another serial killer. They are all the same.

[@VeeLondon1449]

My best friends husband placed a camera above their daughters bed within the neonatal ward here in London, which allowed my friend & husband etc to check on their child round the clock and in real time. CCTV should be in every neonatal ward here in the Uk. There was CCTV in the Neonatal ward, but placed only at the door entrance. Not in the individual rooms. EDIT: consent was given by the hospital it was an aerial angle directed solely/only on their child from the child’s head to waist. And focused on their child’s crib only. And their child was in hospital for a total of 5 days. My friend had lost a child at 2 weeks old to cot death 5 years previously. Their child is now almost 1 years old and healthy.

[@jakskeys]

Brilliant idea!

[@nlwilson4892]

OK, so then you risk that CCTV ending up in the hands of child pornographers.

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

But then you break the naked child images law because the law is a ass

[@ladynori]

@@nlwilson4892idc my baby is safe there’s plenty of baby pictures out there for weirdos to be weird, it’s gross but the chances of that hacked are slim to none, I’d rather my baby be physically 100% safe!

[@nlwilson4892]

@@ladynori The OP used a web camera, very hackable. But even if you have a system that is actually closed, not connected to the internet at any point, you still need to store all the video and have that accessible for some time after in case any queries arise. But I'm not even sure if it is possible on CCTV to see what someone is injecting, if they are supposed to be injecting something but they add an air bubble, or simply contaminate the needle it is not going to be seen. You're adding an extra risk for piece of mind when it might not actually provide protection. You also have to consider at what age you consider that a child needs their privacy, also consider plenty of other people in hospitals that are vulnerable. CCTV on all beds or get the management to do their jobs properly?

[@robotjox77]

I was born in this hospital and my kids were born in the Liverpool Women's Hospital, which is also being investigated now because of this woman.

[@BlueInk912]

Was she assigned there as well?

[@sarahdingwall3024]

My nephew was born in this hospital. Luckily he did not need to go to neo-natal so never came into contact with her.

[@sarahdingwall3024]

Yes, I they are now looking into the deaths of babies she treated there @@BlueInk912

[@Svetlana-says-it-as-it-is.]

@@BlueInk912Yes in the early days of her graduation or before that.

[@handelviola]

I hope all the admin people gets fired and criminally charged.

[@colinjava8447]

She was right about not getting married or having children or a family, and the world is better off without her.

[@silver4831]

Not seen all the guys saying she is innocent and pretty? Its pretty sick to me. She will be out early on compassionate reasons and end up with some weirdo.

[@colinjava8447]

@@silver4831 I doubt it, she might get let out but I'd guess after 25-30 years. Hopefully she never gets out though.

[@hlwhhlwh2351]

​@@silver4831She's never going to get out she has been given multiple whole life tariffs. That means no parole or review of sentences.

[@silver4831]

@@hlwhhlwh2351 Not really. All it takes it another judge to overturn it or a good lawyer.

[@irenemax3574]

Hmm, she might have heaps of babies whilst in prison.

[@chorleycake7942]

I am sick to death of hearing about how “lessons must be learned” as an excuse from the hospital board.

[@PatyBN]

From anywhere really, the police, the politicians, hospitals. Lessons learned but sometimes people must be held accountable. It's revolting when someone talks about lessons learned as if it were magic and everything is going to be fine. Ask the victims and their families if they get magically healed, satisfied and/or relieved with that silly expression.

[@JJ-iq8mi]

Not just hospitals either.

[@yehmen29]

When I heard the hospital director using that hackneyed phrase, I nearly blew a gasket.

[@Dan-xx5jq]

All medical establishments all.over the world should be aware of Munchausen as part of their protocol and as part of their risk management plan. I believe it is common enough to be looking out for it in their staff. Sadly, that will not happen and many of these cases will continue to on unnoticed!! A male nurse was also convicted of the same. They all love playing the "hero".

[@boudicca7181]

100 % agree. why should the CEO's, managers get off like that.

[@Everdawn_]

I am from the uk and this has absolutely shocked me, sickening, thank you for covering this, a wonderful analysis as always.

[@Everdawn_]

@@kingkarljfs7965 I watch tons of true crime, I've heard enough of what goes on on in wars and hostage situations. I've studied criminal psychology. I'm well aware how awful humans can be to one another but I will never become desensitised, it's still sick, it's still shocking what people are capable of. These were innocent babies, teeny innocent little souls with no defence, I am a mother and I dare not even try to put myself in those poor parents shoes, it is shocking and it's absolutely tragic.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

​@@kingkarljfs7965Oh shut up

[@teslasim]

Did you know that we send British troops to kill children in the third world? It’s shocking and sickening. I suppose they don’t really matter though

[@minnietoot9704]

The phrase “don’t judge a book by its cover”, is so true in this case. Because Lucy appeared sweet, mild mannered and attractive, the accusations against her weren’t believed for a long long time. It is one of the most heinous crimes committed by a seemingly sweet angel. I really really hope people in power study and learn from this case. My thoughts go out to the families who will never recover

[@neige4221]

Bad people don’t have any signs on them saying beware. Unfortunately we only find out who they are after they commit horrible acts.

[@FaxanaduJohn]

Attractive LOL

[@bradsanders6954]

Often, people marry someone because they are so smitten with their attractiveness. Especially an older guy with money and younger hottie. How often do the old guys get taken for a ride? Pretty damned often. Same with getting hired, if you look good, you must be good. In reality looks dont mean much, its just a shell. Really good looking people learn how to use their looks early on. Some do.

[@susanna8612]

​​@@bradsanders6954she is avarage looking. And often good looking people are also taken advanced of... they are only seen as pretty face or merely as an objects. It takes more than pretty face to be calculative manipulator, its often power and money or position which gives predators the ability to prey their victims. Most powerful criminals on this Earth hasnt been particularly attractive.

[@susanna8612]

Well, investigators, parents of the victims and co-workers that were suspicios of her said she felth cold, calculative and something felt off about her. So, no... I dont think it was because people saw her as sweet angel. It was more likely that nobody wanted to believe that in their hosbital something like that was happening and because she was good in her work othervice. She was hard worker, was training new nurses etc. And well educated on her field. Predators often creates respectable public image to themselves but still lives double life. They might give money to the charity, appear to be the perfect family men or women but thats only the cover up to hide their evil deeds and souls.

[@1234trewq]

The best and most complete description of the psychological background of this case. Thank you very much for this video.

[@georginasawyer6524]

I listened to the podcast"the trial of lucy letby" and one of the sickest things I have heard is that she killed one of the babies and suggests to the parents that they can give the baby a final bath . She then walks into the room as the are bathing and chats to the parents and was comparing that bath to the last one that she did ...Is that not one of the sickest things that you have heard ? The only reason that the 3rd triplet survived is that the parents went crazy with the hospital and insisted that he get moved to another hospital ..they did ... he survived thank god .....she needs to be dragged up those stairs and be made to sit in the courtroom

[@hailey9117]

That is terrifying! Weird that she was comparing the babies final bath to her last one… Who knows what’s even going on there psychologically. Did she see herself in these infants somehow or want to be grieved over like the parents grieved their baby? Regardless, that is so sick…

[@nanalala9935]

this is sadistic and pure voyeurism

[@hakbug]

I heard she didn’t show up what a monster. Zero remorse

[@Al-kb2xl]

@@hailey9117op has got it incorrect.. she was saying she was there for that same babies first bath & saying how much they loved it. Still incredibly insensitive. The parents just wanted her to STFU

[@Rosachisp]

But the people who know because they had to know and did nothing and even protected her should be charged too they are just as guilty. They could have prevented her from killing had they had done something instead of denying the issue.

[@ekelly1642]

I ALWAYS feared some nurse doing something weird to my premature baby. I never left his side. He was there 28 days. They were annoyed with me sometimes. I slept in a recliner and ate from the cafe downstairs. Unfortunately, being a nurse myself, I know not all of them care or are good people. This is so sad, God please help thise families 😢💔

[@Forgottenworlds777]

💚

[@manichairdo9265]

I've heard of this before...nurses being annoyed if a parent stays. Scary.

[@shantibel]

At least one of the babies who did survive her attempts is permanently grossly disabled, needing 24 hour care and assisted feeding and respiration. The horror of what was inflicted on the babies and their families is grotesque. God only knows what is wrong with her.

[@Alexandra-dy2ns]

I think her parents went through great lengths to conceive, then were overjoyed (as anyone would be) until Letby senselessly destroyed the baby's future. Maybe it's not God who knows what's wrong with her, but the devil.

[@Andrea-ld9cy]

Of all the heinous acts she did, this one got to me the most, that poor boy, what he or any of them children could have become.

[@paulsmartialarts]

@@Alexandra-dy2ns or it's a personality disorder

[@mjremy2605]

My god, I did not know this. What an evil monster. Poor child and poor parents. A healthy baby purposefully disabled. No greater crime.

[@MrSeanman30]

​@@Alexandra-dy2nswho made the Devil?

[@senseipaans]

I really hope they study her in greater depth. What her childhood was like, her parents, friends. Other than knowing she's guilty,we don't know much more. Female killers are rare enough, let alone serial killers so I am very curious to know WHAT went wrong with her and if her tendencies ever manifested themselves to other people. Animal cruelty, etc.

[@HecateTheDog]

What we need most is Her explanation of why?!.. that I think she will never tell. It’s her strongest assist, I think she will take it to her death.

[@nickc5417]

@@HecateTheDog You assume she knows why....

[@paddlefar9175]

@@HecateTheDogI think the reason she did it was for the power trip that she got out of it. She could marvel at the power she had, to end a life, and then she likely found it quite interesting to watch the effects that the death had on others. She likely had a sick sense of superiority in knowing that she did it unbeknownst to everyone else and that she was the one solely in control of these people’s lives. She was likely quite fascinated by the grief behaviours she saw displayed in the grieving victims, an ability foreign to her; emotions that her brain never manifested as she was incapable of feeling empathy, guilt, remorse, love, etc., but it was probably interesting for her to watch it in others who did have these social emotions. As a psychopath, she is not a social being, like the majority of us are. Having emotions like love, joy, endearment, empathy are something she just doesn’t experience and when those behaviours were seen in the sick baby’s parents, she was both fascinated, puzzled and maybe even frustrated or angry too, because she knew that she was devoid of those emotions. Being a Psychopath must be one of the worst things that can ever happen to a human being!

[@Chi_xxx]

A lot of women lack empathy with other women’s babies. She also may have lost her own. Many women hide it very well

[@helenestiernstrand6575]

Born like that.

[@FurioussBear]

The fact that a whistle-blower that complained about her was made to apologise is shocking. Hope the person takes it further. Edit: whistle-blower, or person who suspected her and said something to management. Same difference. Calm down.. everyone losing their minds over a technicality

[@eadweard.]

Wasn't a whistle-blower. They just believed she did it.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@eadweard. Stop embarrassing yourself on every thread. There was a wissle blower it's not up for debate.

[@ronald3836]

​@@richardgallagher4880 There was no whistleblower here. Nobody blew the whistle. The person who had suspicions did NOT go the police when hospital management refused to call the police. Look up the definition of whistleblower if you disagree.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ronald3836 Who are you giving orders to? You've been told there was a wistle blower. Standing your feet and shouting no🤣🤣 Debate it clown.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@ronald3836 You haven't got a clue what you're talking about😂😂 There was no person, there was atleast 7 an 2 of them at least bkew the wistle.

[@oliviaLOVEShenry]

Her parents are partly responsible. They threatened the 2 paediatricians who continued to complain about Lucy; Mr and Mrs Letby said they would report the doctors to the General Medical Council. Her parents were suffocating and controlling; they didn’t want her leaving home and living on her own. She was spoilt from the day she was born and her her mum and dad believe she’s innocent. Even now she’s still having tantrums, refusing to leave her cell to be sentenced and listen to the victim impact statements from the bereaved parents. She’s a monster!

[@sushantrajput6920]

Yes, her parents could be narcissists

[@manichairdo9265]

Her mother yelled out in court at the 1st 2 guilty verdicts. Something like are you serious? Etc. Gutted the judge didn't throw her out. Grrr.

[@aspreckley1]

Do they feel proud now they know their precious daughter is an EVIL murderer .

[@mandymckeown8625]

@@sushantrajput6920I was thinking that possibly the dad .he didn’t marry till later in life and he married a much younger woman somebody he could control and in turn controlled Letby . I doubt she just turned out like this . Definitely her upbringing. Cluster b personality narcissist or pysychopath

[@manichairdo9265]

She did actually own her own home. Got to see photos inside. In her bedroom, there's a large teddy lying on her bed. Face down, I think. Probably dead.

[@MDWD]

There's nothing worse than a baby killer. Babies can't fight back. Sad case txs

[@ROYALP100]

I agree I just wish we Americans felt the same because many “Baby killers “ as you put it have been allowed to walk!

[@HubertDinklebean]

​​@@ROYALP100 There are millions of baby killers walking free they're called liberals.

[@deeliciousgrapes]

Agreed

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Any killer is as bad as a baby killer Killer has gun , you don't , can't fight back . Killing is killing all bad .

[@ROYALP100]

@@julienfroidevaux1143 I agree however I can tell you’re not from America because shooting people (Especially in Florida) is our national pastime.

[@CerealKilla98]

Always a great analysis!! Thank you for sharing!!

[@jjm1709]

I just brought my baby from NICU after 3 long week stay. I just can’t believe how she even thought of killing these helpless tiny souls, who are really weak even to cry.

[@rboyle5148]

I worked with Genene Jones who was a baby killer in a Texas hospital in the 80’s. Her motive was different, she had a very strong personality, wanted to be in charge, and I think she wanted to save the babies so she could be seen as a hero. I think we all try to understand how and why things like this can happen; for the first time it made me realize that I can’t possibly understand or relate to what goes on in the brain of a mentally unstable person.

[@susanna8612]

Unless one is psychopath (their brains lack the part of the brains where feelings like empathy, guilt etc. Are felt or produced) one must be grown to hold some deep rooted hate, unhappiness, powerlesness within them. Especially those who attack children... they choose the children or othervice less capable people to be target because they feel power over preying the defendless. Its not rare that abused one becomes also abuser when they grow up. Or then she was entitled child herself, wanted all attention to be directed to herself. I think she even wanted to hurt the parents...she wanted to destroy their joy and hope. Was she incapable of herself to get children or what happened in her own childhood that she became so bitter to do such a heinous acts... Nobody knows. And its irrelevant now. But those psychiatrics who wants to understand should gain deeper look to her personal life and history behind social media images.

[@ivonned32]

She is not mentally ill. She has chosen to be EVIL. It is truly our free will and no one has excuses to do what she did. She chose to cause pain. She chose to be one more illness on this planet. She chose to not make the effort to control her demons.

[@ivonned32]

@@susanna8612You will be surprise hiw many abused people CHOOSES to NOT become abusers because they know how awful it feels like to be taken advantage of. It is way more common then what "the gossipy" people likes to conform with. You will be opening your eyes when you realized how many serial killers actually came from a whole family. Mom and Dad. Food on the table and love. Many like you ate like parrots repeating : Mental illness Abused became the abuser blah blah blah blah The truth is not pretty but it will set us free!

[@jrpacer6355]

She was mentally stable she got through nursing school

[@caroledowie1773]

Beverley Allitt was like that and she had no remorse.

[@horrortackleharry]

Taking a photo of the sympathy card before she sent it is classic killer's souvenir-keeping. She wanted to re-live and revel in aspects of the crime (and her getting away with it) over and over.

[@robertmitchell8630]

White preveliege She got away for so long , due to her white preveliege

[@isbestlizard]

She searched all their Facebook profiles on the anniversary of the deaths, and christmas. She was hoping to see a post commemorating their dead child, to reignite the emotions. She is sick beyond words to describe, literally I cannot conceive how a mind can become so twisted and sadistic and broken.

[@JamesStaples]

Police also found hospital paperwork from the week in June 2016 when she returned from holiday and immediately killed again (Child O), paperwork she kept in a bag from the holiday resort.

[@server1ok]

Is she single ? what's her number ?

[@chrisgermann6658]

The devil is real and his influence is everywhere. Believe this and this twisted human will begin to make sense.@@isbestlizard

[@johnrieger949]

Thanks!

[@mariamaria2751]

She's right. She's evil..poor babies , poor parents ..it doesn't get much worse than her, horrific..absolutely soulless entity

[@gejost]

Being "evil" is a religious concept. I presume she's a psychopath.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Soulless entity....you described her perfectly..

[@endofsight9841]

This case reminds me of Kermit Gosnell, it just baffles my mind how any human being can do such a horrific and diabolical thing.

[@SeniorJohnQPublic]

Utter nonsense. Evil is a religious label. It is emotional but it does not explain the facts of her motives. Welcome to reality. I agree she is a horrible person and murdering newborns is a heinous crime. Knowing that she is unlikely to leave prison except in a coffin is an appropriate punishment.

[@julikeah]

Evil doesn't exist. The girl is mentally ill

[@carolynwilson7736]

“John Letby was convinced of his daughter’s innocence and received the backing of Tony Chambers, the hospital’s chief executive, who decided that Letby should be allowed to return to the unit in January 2017. When paediatric consultants angrily complained about his decision, Letby’s father threatened to refer them to the General Medical Council. They were forced to write her a letter of apology but maintained that she should not be allowed to return to the unit.” - the parents are accountable too

[@MilasPuppies]

I don't think so in the example u raise. They thought and believed she was innocent. The consultants should not have been swayed by a threat if they knew what they were saying is true

[@boudicca7181]

Yes, for sure. There is probably something wrong with her parents as well.

[@peaceangel-rl2hf]

I wonder if her father had connections in the hospital management

[@simonesimona8317]

​@peaceangel-rl2hf I think her parents' connections is what gave her the confidence to do it, so many times

[@carolynwilson7736]

The parents are 💯 accountable

[@MauiMauiMe]

I purposely avoid these cases until I can hear Dr. Grande’s analysis. Always insightful and educational. 🔔

[@suzanne2024]

Thanks

[@loiskondo8349]

Those poor babies. And families! So tragic! Thank you Dr. Grande for your thoughtful video!

[@jonathanmonck-mason6715]

Just a small point, in the UK national health the people who are called consultants are the equivalent of attending physicians in the US. Consultants are usually the head of a team that includes doctors in training in the specialty. So the consultants were Lucy Letby's coworkers, not people brought from outside.

[@josiecoote8975]

I thought that, when he said consultants were brought in. They were the doctors already working on the unit so they knew what was happening but were disbelieved when they brought it to the attention of the hospital management.

[@hlwhhlwh2351]

I believe one of the consultants asked a statistician to review his work, the statistician supported his work. But it wasn't the management who asked for the review.

[@coogeetech3110]

I am a victim of at least one evil consultant. I survived because I used my wit and prayer and still fight for justice. So consultant or nurse, evil comes from very trusted people.

[@SaltyMsMorton]

The timing!! I just watched a bunch of videos on her and here you are. This case was chilling to hear about and seeing the line of X marks showing her shifts was gutting.

[@ronald3836]

The death cases where she was not present were left out of the list, though...

[@galeoshea2961]

Your posts are so well structured and easy to follow. I have a much better understanding. Many thanks Dr Grande.

[@eveapple4928]

I have been waiting for Dr Grande to drop the analysis on this for a YEAR, knowing he would be following this and provide it after the verdict was delivered. So glad I kept the faith - this is a fascinating case with a great deal to teach us, and can really help us be better equipped to spot these predators in the future BEFORE they do so much harm. Thank you Dr Grande!

[@_letstartariot]

The babies on neonatal ICU’s are already terribly sick. They receive highly specialised care to take them from the brink of death to a full life. Was that not enough ‘drama’ for Lucy?

[@JJ-iq8mi]

Evidently not.

[@saraf9081]

Not true. Often they stable just premature.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

​​@@saraf9081You are correct. I've been a paediatric nurse and mum of premature twins. They were in-patient for 5 weeks and required no intervention, not even oxygen, no meds nothing. My husband and I did all the care. They only needed to grow as they were merely underweight. Very few babies on ICU die.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

There are lots of babies who merely need to gain weight before being discharged home. They require no intervention, or perhaps at most oxygen and feeding via a naso gastric tube for a week until their "suck" reflex came in.

[@johnandmerin]

I think there’s a jealousy angle at play as well.. targeting twins and triplets .. she being an only child and never having the joy of siblings … plus being the centre of attention when things are in chaos around you .. also something about having total control over vulnerable people who can’t complain or fight back brings out the worst in some people

[@aisoconcranberriesu2as]

A police woman described Lucy Letby as beige. She was very normal and ordinary. Nothing strange stood out about her. And a criminal psychologist said she was an outlier as a serial killer usually has red flags and she didn't have any. A very creepy disturbing case.

[@ronald3836]

Maybe the increase death rate was the statistical outlier here? 2x death rate is not even that exceptional.

[@Whitestripe71]

@@ronald3836 That was one fact that Dr Grande actually got wrong in his video - the increase in death rate was far more than 2x. It was closer to 7x. The typical mortality rate was routinely between 2 -3 deaths per year. During Letby's year on the neo-natal ward there were 15 deaths and numerous near-deaths. Plus, deliberate insulin poisoning has been proven in at least one of the murders - making foul play an absolute certainty.

[@AR_112]

@@ronald3836and you don’t think that was considered??

[@aisoconcranberriesu2as]

@ronald3836 the evidence was circumstantial. I read NHS hospitals and doctors have a culture of covering up their mistakes. They could have blamed her for the hospitals failings. But I wasn't on the jury. I hope she really is guilty as she'll spend the rest of her life in prison.

[@ronald3836]

@@AR_112 I see a card full of crosses to indicate her presence, and then I read there are twice as many other cases where she was not present. It is easy to fool people with botched up statistics. This happened in a nearly identical case in the Netherlands, so any Dutch person reading about the Letby case is extremely skeptical. The Dutch nurse got life in prison, lost all her appeals, but the car was reopened and she was cleared. There were never any murders. Apparently there were even more deaths in Lucy's unit in 2018-19. That was not her. The only hard thing is the note she wrote, but we don't know how an innocent person reacts when accused of such crimes.

[@nellyb2434]

I personally believe there are big clues in the letter that was found at her home. 'Why me?' I think she was angry and bitter that other people married and had children and she hadn't and didn't believe she ever would. She felt less than, 'not good enough' for the things other people had and that built up as huge resentment inside her. I think she had that serial killer mentality..taking the power back when she felt helpless, unloved, unattractive, not worthy in her eyes of a relationship and a family, so she sought revenge on those who were allowed that when she wasn't. She wanted to destroy their children and their happiness, and although she knew it was wrong and evil, she did it anyway because she realised there was something she had that they didn't...power and control. They might have achieved what she couldn't, but she had the ability to take it away. She would also have received attention being the nurse that was present when these poor babies died...so by making it happen, she got to be part of that drama, not just a bystander. One of the detectives described her as 'beige'. I think that's very astute...she is beige and I think she knew that. It's what she resented.

[@olilumgbalu5653]

I don't understand parents who want to hang on to a child (typically a daughter though sometimes a son) when they themselves moved out of their own parents home and started their own family. Very selfish. Also parents who expect their children (again, usually daughters) to care for them in their old age as a nurse would when they did not do the same for their own parents. Hypocritical and selfish.

[@tokitobe2450]

Either someone mentally broke her or she was born insane. This is a young, attractive, blonde, middle-class professional with no missing limbs, no deformities, no obesity. She has no foundation for her belief that she wouldn't find love.

[@Primrose-s8c]

She is not beige she is white.

[@helentaylor7132]

@@Primrose-s8c I'm guessing "beige" means unseen.

[@helentaylor7132]

Great analysis.

[@hattyburrow716]

Thank you Dr Grande, we’re still aghast at the awfulness of her crimes here in the UK. And shocked, not just at her but at the doctors who were ignored for three years when they suspected. I wonder if she had been awkward and unpreposessing, like Beverly Allitt, would they have listened sooner?

[@yehmen29]

I think the way she presented is one reason for how she got away with it for so long. 'Not Nice Lucy!' as one of the consultants had put it at one of meetings to investigate the spike of deaths.

[@manichairdo9265]

Her parents threatened to report 2 drs who had challenged her. And her mother yelled our in court as the guilty verdicts were rolled out. You're not serious. Etc. Grr.

[@mrs.reluctant4095]

Wow, this is such an European-friendly time to load up a video. Thank you so much, dear team of Dr. Grande. ❤ Best wishes.

[@Svetlana-says-it-as-it-is.]

Very European friendly! GMT/CET and other European times a few hours ahead. Dr Grande usual uploads when it’s really late night or early morning to us.

[@ROYALP100]

What does that mean?

[@Watcher6868]

⁠@@ROYALP100it means that by the time you wake up you will see the video, if and only if you live in Europe.

[@Forgottenworlds777]

I just stay up way too late 😆

[@leahvogelsimpson]

My 15 year old son was a nicu baby, he was there for 3.5 months. Our nurses were amazing. It sickens me to think about the grief and sadness these poor parents endured only to find out their babies were murdered. What a horrible betrayal. Rip to the innocent little lives she stole.

[@christopherlloyd98]

Lucy - “You’re simply the Best”….. dedicated to Lucy. Thank you, Tina, for this so - apt song “for Lucy”. 💖💖♥️♥️☀️☀️🐱🐱. Christopher.😅

[@edie9330]

I read that Lucy was having an affair with a Dr that would be called to try and resuscitate these children, so she would have contact with him, because he had cut her off. Also, I want to want discuss my complete, total disgust at her behavior. I've had 2 children, both preemies that ended up in the NICU. I prayed EVERY minute of every day they would survive, and they both did. I can't even imagine the horror of these parents who's precious babies were murdered. May they be blessed. 🙏🙏🙏

[@fragilechords5118]

Yes, I read the same thing. She and the Dr. met regularly, and even went on a trip just the two of them. It seems like a definite motive.

[@mritzs5142]

Oh this was her rage trigger, opens up the discussion, he must be freaked ..I hope they rip him apart for info, his wife finds out, he is fired,He must have known she was unstable intellectually compromised and still he did

[@ronald3836]

So if this doctor was indeed always (or at least often) present when a baby died, he should be investigated, too.

[@fragilechords5118]

@@ronald3836 He's already testified. They said she started crying and wanted to leave when he came up to testify. He wasn't working every time something happened. She was the only one working every time.

[@FreeminderXIII]

According to an article I read, they first met at the beginning of 2016 , she already had killed several babies before she met him. However he could kiss his career and marriage goodbye just bc he's associated with her and also he always tried to lift her spirits when she felt "down' because of baby deaths.

[@barrettesands]

It just breaks me that the little babies fought their way back to life, and she would go and go attacking them😥

[@daebak_hana]

🥺

[@kellyegan9824]

And in some cases she tried multiple times with certain babies.

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@bthomson]

This comment more than ANY comment I have ever read caused me to cry! What a total tragedy!

[@RoseNZieg]

based on similar cases, once someone join your medical team and the medical incidents increase, you as administrators should have immediately limited her access to the patients.

[@tanchella]

Problem with that approach is in cases like Mid Staffs Scandal, where it was estimated between 400 and 1200 patients died unnecessarily due to poor care resulting from staff shortages, hospital infections and terrible managment in general. Cases like that are widespread in the NHS while nurse murderer is extremely rare. I can understand why they went for reviews not after a single nurse, even though in this case it was urgently needed.

[@ronald3836]

@@tanchella What bugs me the most is that these deaths were apparently suspicious, yet they were not properly investigated. Now Lucy is put in jail based mostly on statistics (and, yes, her not is weird, but she probably wrote it when she was being accused and I cannot imagine what such an accusation could do to an innocent person). 2x the normal death rate over 2 years or so could have all kinds of causes and could also just be a coincidence. Statistically, this happens. If you look at all UK maternity wards, you will find one with a death rate significantly above average simply because that is how numbers work. Also there were deaths that could not be connected to her. Does not prove she is innocent, but to conclude she is guilty... I don't know Unless I missed something, all these deaths were reported as natural deaths. Maybe that's what they were. If they had been investigated at the time, that could have cleared Lucy right there and then (and it could also have caught her and prevented more deaths, if she is indeed guilty). The whole case is extremely similar to a Dutch case. The nurse got a life sentence and lost all her appeals. Some years later the case was reopened and she was cleared. The final conclusion was that no murders happened at all.

[@nlwilson4892]

@@ronald3836 One case was reported as natural but the insulin level was far too high but without another substance that would occur if it was natural. That proves that the insulin was injected. Also, she was in attendance for 25 of the unexpected deaths with the most any other member of staff was on the ward was 7. That is far too high to be coincidence. There is also her other odd behaviour like lack of emotion when babies died, keep going into the room where parents were grieving and she'd been told not to.

[@ronald3836]

@@nlwilson4892 it does not prove that she injected the insulin, and this blood value was noticed only years later, too late for a double check. An athlete who is caught doping is entitled to a second test before he is sanctioned. Lucy is now in prison for life and was denied such an opportunity. We had a similar case in the Netherlands. The botched statistics pointed at a particular nurse, they then find botched medical evidence. After many years the case was reopened and she was cleared, there were never any murders.

[@ronald3836]

@@nlwilson4892 and her atypical behaviour does not prove anything (DrGrande mentioned many times in other videos btw). I suspect that her behaviour is what made her colleagues suspicious. Then when you remove 2/3 of the cases where she was not present, you get a list of the 1/3 remaining cases where... guess what... only she was present each and every time.

[@Tomas-major]

The best analysis on Lucy Letby, made much more sense to me, especially the fact she was the only common denominator! That was a fact that had gone through my mind. My grandson was in a children’s intensive care unit in a famous London hospital where he had one to one nursing. His nurses were so highly qualified and were so caring to my daughter and my grandson beat life threatening sepsis and multiple organ failure. I feel for all the nurses out there now, and parents to be honest, it could happen anywhere.

[@mrstambourinegirl397]

Your poor grandson, I hope he is doing better now. My son also had sepsis last September (group strep a that turned into sepsis) and was rushed to intensive care at the Manchester children's hospital, and he too had a nurse with him 24 hours a day due to how poorly he was (he would have died if we hadn't taken him to hospital when we did, even tho earlier that day we took him the the doctors and they fobbed us off. This is heartbreaking and I can't help but think about my son and his experience, and how amazing the nurses were who looked after him. Love to you and your grandson ❤

[@Tomas-major]

@@mrstambourinegirl397 you will never believe that my daughter was fobbed off by the GP, he then went to A&E at our local hospital,, he deteriorated during the day and they conference called the hospital on London, he was in intensive care for 13 days. They saved his life, he is just ten now and I feel so thankful as he was only 15 months old! I am so glad that you grandson had the same outcome and care as our little man, I look at him and just feel blessed everyday that he is here. To cuddle your daughter while she is being told her baby could die was a experience that still remains vivid in my mind. Thank you to all the wonderful members of paediatrics xxx

[@OOhlUkaTmEImGanSTa]

I had a bit of an overreaction to this story when it first came out due to being a postpartum mess with a NICU baby. I don't usually cry reading the news but this broke me. Those poor babies and parents. It was especially horrific when a mother found the nurse actively murdering her child, only to be convinced the baby was ok and for the nurse to complete the attack.

[@AS-qg1xu]

Heartbreaking 😢

[@yehmen29]

Same thing here, I've cried a lot. I started my life in an incubator (my mother was a junkie) then returned to hospital a couple of weeks after discharge, after being attacked by my mother (shaken baby syndrome). I have been told by doctors and social workers that I should have been put down at birth and that It would be a waste of money to send me to uni as I must have remained brain damaged. I have also been told by a lady (a secondary school teacher, who had the French equivalent of a PhD) that she had 'babysat' my mother when she was several months pregnant with me, suicidal, and taking huge doses of psychiatric drugs and painkillers, that at the time she had thought it would be better if my mother had an abortion, as some of the drugs would necessarily cross the placenta barrier, and that even if I was born healthy, growing up with someone like that as a mother would just result in a totally messed up human being, if the child even survived to adulthood. I had just turned 19 when I met that lady for the first time and she was surprised at how well I'd turned out, and relieved that, unlike my mother, I wasn't addicted to various drugs. I am convinced that if someone like Lucy had been working at the maternity where I was born, she would have targeted me for killing. I could also have become her victim as a mother, as twins run in my family. If my health had allowed it after giving birth, I would have been one of those helicopter parents, sitting on the nurses' shoulders and asking questions, and I am sure she would have resented it, I would have made an enemy of her, and she would have punished me by hurting my child.ren. I am absolutely horrfied by what she did, not just to the children who died, but to the ones who survived but will never be able to live independently. She's robbed them of their life just as effectively as if she'd kill them. Being premature, or born at 1000 grams or so, does not mean that a baby will not grow into a healthy child and adult. I've heard doctors refer to children like that as 'shrimps' which should be put down, which I deeply resent. 2 decades ago, there was an uplifting story about 3 triplets (conceived naturally) who were born very prematurely (the mother had to have a C section as one of the kids was an ectopic pregnancy and could not be allowed to develop to full term). They all survived, and took part in a documentary when they were at primary school: none of them had developmental delays. Here's a link to their story: www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/sep/10/vikramdodd

[@markmilan8365]

I cannot cry, I am just angry, not against Lucy but those that were in condition to take action. They had no doubts, they were able to go home and sleep well.

[@ladynori]

😭😭😭

[@brielleanyez7113]

@@yehmen29 , you are a strong, well spoken, intelligent person and I'm glad you thrived despite your circumstances 👍I give you a lot of credit ❤️

[@lindaouellette6656]

I ran over a squirrel a couple of years ago 😢 and it still bothers me…damn, RIP poor babies 😢😢❤

[@boudicca7181]

I totally understand.

[@lauraturner9281]

I relate. 🥺

[@ignilc]

do you eat meat ?

[@jaysimpson6857]

@@ignilc That’s a good point and the only way I’m able to get over the death of various animals involved in my life and also what brings me to the conclusion that we live in a demonic world. I would have become a vegetarian a very long time ago if I wasn’t highly experienced in the problems that are encountered when removing meat for certain blood types and genetics in people, that’s not to say vegetarianism is bad for everyone because it isn’t.

[@lindaouellette6656]

@@ignilc yes, but not the squirrel!!! What’s your point??

[@icturner23]

Thanks for covering this case, which has rocked all of us here in Great Britain. I am from the county between the one where she was born and that where she worked.

[@artistphilb]

There is some debate going on about this conviction because other than the note the evidence is circumstantial and she wrote the note because she was encouraged to write down any feelings by her psychotherapist. The note seems pretty damming but her defenders would say that she believed that they died because she wasn't a good enough nurse and felt intense guilt. I don't know, but I think there will be another enquiry

[@zeddeka]

One of the things that's been reported a lot in the UK is that Lucy Letby was very smothered by her parents and seems to have been very emotionally underdeveloped. Her bedroom was full of Disney toys. Perhaps she seems to have viewed herself as a kind of Disney princess and lived in a Narcissistic dreamworld. As reality intervened, she may have become more and more resentful.

[@robertmitchell8630]

White preveliege She got away for so long , due to her white preveliege

[@lusomarga]

Children need to experience the WHOLE range of emotions while growing up, in a supportive environment. This includes also experiencing negative emotions, like sadness, danger, disappointment, anger etc. However, some parents think that they are doing good to their children by denying this experience in their childhood. Such parents, and of course not surprising that she was the only child, obsessivly monitor their children, create an overly protective environment and prevent any negative emotional display. However, they cannot cancel this need. It is possible that Lucy subcontiously was seeking to experience negative emotions that she was denied in childhood.

[@seriouslyjoking2]

@@skycloud4802 Incels are not necessarily Narcissistic or psychopathic.

[@richardgallagher4880]

I've banged more nurses than Liverpool Royal serves hot dinners and almost every single one has Disney toys. Rows of them staring at me😐😐

[@gejost]

That definitely doesn't explain her becoming a killer.

[@iainholmes2735]

Excellent analysis. Glad you have addressed this terrible case. This is a huge story here in the UK. Cheers from London.

[@arcofspira]

Any Dr. Grande video is always enlightening.

[@You-Know-Youre-Right]

and entertaining

[@beverleysteele1106]

very insightful ,the most concise and to the point analysis yet i have watched thanks Todd

[@Bailey2006a]

Her bedroom looked like that of a 10 year old girl...teddy bears, stuffed animals and the like.. Arrested development,, for sure. This case is a nightmare come to life. The banality of evil writ large.

[@AR_112]

Arrested development? So perhaps she saw these babies almost like, dare I say, competition?

[@Bailey2006a]

@@AR_112 Intersting … very interesting !

[@johnnybhoy4278]

I once visited a neonatal care unit because it was part of preparation for my former wife giving birth to our daughter. I cried the whole time I was there because the babies were so small and helpless plus my family lost a premature infant in the NICU ward and a nurse was suspected of killing him. My father said that the nurse was really rough with the babies and that he had witnessed this himself. I wanted to become a neonatal intensive care nurse but that experience made me realize that I was too emotional to handle the job. Plus, up to that point I had only worked in construction and lumber jacking and if you make a mistake in those trades it can usually be fixed without much problem. Not so with the babies. I lacked the confidence in myself to never ever make a mistake with a premature baby. One millimeter off on the meds and a baby could be injured or die. Thats for stronger and better focused people. Im almost 60 now and still doing construction... And a grandfather to my daughters children.

[@Donsomebody]

What you do is still important. Thank you John

[@manichairdo9265]

Yay. Love your post. Greetings from Scotland, John. 🎉

[@marianhunt8899]

Well said.

[@fairyprincess911]

Sweet story😻

[@paolaucci5302]

Your honesty, your sensivity and sense of responsibility are really poignant. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I agree, it was a sweet story. 🙏🙏🙏

[@MrPotsy81]

I agree with the Munchausen's by Proxy. As a teacher, I saw a few of these cases. One parent was constantly calling us and saying that the child was sick. At one point, this one mother told us that her daughter had to stay home, but she would come in and get her child's work and interact with us and the students. Really, really crazy. We objected and she removed her child from our school.....a school for gifted children that no one wants to leave. We did follow up with Doctors and new school.....

[@nafissforghani3866]

thank you for this Video Dr.Grande. very informative.

[@hmth86]

I work as a nurse, I am also a mother and I was physically sickened that she not only took lives, she ruined so many lives.. all so that she could be the centre of attention for a short period of time. The lifelong pain she has caused to these families, the impact on the doctors and nurses that fought to save these babies, and then there are the infants suffering lifelong disability - all because of her. I could NEVER intentionally hurt one of my patients, especially not an innocent baby. I was devastated and disgusted at the same time.

[@gordanazakula5669]

86;A miscarriage of justice?

[@helentaylor7132]

Good job summarizing her crimes. Years ago worked in newborn nursery and can't imagine how she got to place she did. There is just nothing more beautiful and innocent than a newborn baby.

[@annecunningham1151]

Thank you for this video. I’m a retired nurse in the UK and am horrified by her actions and the response of the hospital management. She is to be sentenced today (21.08.23) and is apparently refusing to attend the sentencing hearing. After being found guilty of these dreadful crimes I don’t think she should have a choice. The only blessing I see is that prisoners are renowned for doling out justice to child killers.

[@catherinecarmichael3180]

So glad you are covering this!!

[@nicolacoffey2802]

Excellent, excellent insight. Especially the final synopsis. Well done.

[@relfyem]

Here in the UK there are also reports about texts sent to her colleagues, or their direct observations of Lucy during and after resuscitation attempts on babies that she had just attacked, where she seemed excited by the incident, which may give another source of gratification and motive. She was also said to be having a relationship with a married doctor there and exchanged texts with him, seeking reassurance that she did well in those emergency situations, and putting them both into the same 'boat', dealing with the stress and grief together, which is another apparent motive. I don't believe she particularly got anything from the pain, specifically, that she inflicted on the babies - they were just a means to an end - but she didn't care about the pain either.

[@ManiyaVinas]

so it was a case of pickmeism, she did it to gain male attention lol, moids would fck a chicken nugget

[@irenebarlow8865]

I’m from the UK and haven’t been able to follow this case. This is the first thing I’ve watched on it. It’s too horrible. What a wicked wicked woman.

[@martjedesigns9476]

You may want to watch Stephanie Harlowe's videos on Lucy Letby. Her vidoes are very detailed....such a sad story.

[@rosieblack2076]

Good analysis, you explained the sequence of events very well. I agree Lucy is the most terrifying and dangerous killer, as she used her medical knowledge and seemingly 'caring' demenour to get away with her crimes for so long. Those managers in charge, should be removed and far more importance given to the opinions of qualified doctors, not pen pushers.

[@Pukeyray]

Thanks for the analysis and everything you have taught me on these topics. This was a tough one so I appreciate your channel being here.

[@l.s1103]

This is such a horrific story, what makes it so much worse is all the good people who reported being suspicious of her and they were totally ignored or denied any real investigation into her, i hope the big wigs who thought it wasn't worth investigating her never feel peace with themselves as long as they live

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

Thank you, Dr. Grande! No matter from which angle we look at it, she's a monster. She should definitely have no chance of parole, or to be released for any reason..

[@Smithy_TV]

im from the UK, and the judge gave a whole life order meaning she will never ever be released, she will 100% die in prison

[@samanthaw.861]

Really sad that this isn’t the first murderer of this nature you’ve covered.

[@NordicAxe]

The best analysis I have listened to so far. Having followed this case from the start, it is good to listen to a professional opinion instead of the usual repeats of police statements and token government minister speeches.

[@markwalker4142]

I’ve dealt with such criminally minded people as a detective for many years with child protection. Letby is clearly someone without empathy and that’s a common trait amongst psychopathic personalities. I’ve dealt with sex offenders like this who see children as objects and not humans . She in my view saw these children as objects and nothing more . They fulfilled a desire to be relevant and as the Dr in the video states , sympathy . She’s a very very dangerous young woman . She should get a full life sentence, but in such cases I do now think the death penalty should be introduced . People like Sidney Cooke , Ian Huntley etc should have hung years ago .

[@manichairdo9265]

Well, she got a full life sentence for each baby she murdered. 🎉

[@bakets7987]

This begs the argument that if they were mentally "sick" why kill them instead of just placing them on rehab or worst...lifelong confinement.

[@manichairdo9265]

@@bakets7987 No death penalty. Abolished years ago. Just as well. Stefan Kiszko, innocent, was in jail for 16 years for raping and murdering a child. 3 detectives had witheld evidence of his innocence. He was set free but died before he was compensated. Had he been hung...!!!

[@philmirez]

⁠​⁠@@bakets7987her actions are not something rehab was designed for. She can’t come back from her actions. She can use mental illness as a reason behind her actions but she can’t use it as an excuse. Her actions can not be absolved and nothing could ever correct the action of taking the lives of several newborn babies. I think your comment begs the question why have empathy for her but not for the victims who are 100% currently suffering mental illness due to her actions.

[@louiseoliver3453]

@@manichairdo9265 and the liklihood is she will be in isolation for most of her life as the other prisoners would most likely kill her if she is allowed to mingle

[@marisapolesky]

Yes, was hoping you'd cover her! Thank you Dr Grande.

[@spookyboo22]

Thank you Dr ! Love from Manchester UK x

[@verschoor2325]

Very well explained! Thank you, Dr. Grande!

[@harpothehealer]

Great analysis Dr Grande, Yeah it seems these killers get off on the after emotion thing and I guess sometimes collect trophies in this case med equipment or even footage of grieving parents. What I can never understand is WHY hospitals don't have cameras in the rooms and one medical person should never be left on their own. It sounds crazy but this kind of thing has to be checked in it's tracks.

[@celeca7]

I was so hoping to hear you cover this story. Its both bewildering and infuriating. She deserves life w/o parole

[@beatpirate8]

i dont understand! im a nurse. it is a gift and honor to be able to care for people and i know that they are trusting me. when i was a new nurse i felt so bad when my dementia patient didnt complain and his IV site got swollen at the end of my shift. i cried. i cant imagine doing harm on purpose over and over to vulnerable neonatal infants . please please put her away.

[@eyezwideopen]

This is a great analysis. Thank you for bringing some perspective to this. Well done.

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Good Day, Doctor Grande !!! - I'm excited to hear about another fascinating case -- Your channel is my favorite KZbin channel ☺

[@deedeemccall7693]

This is a very sad story. Condolences to the Parents whose kids were brutally murdered by someone who was tasked to protect them. Lucy is just pure evil

[@laravonstaden1838]

The Countess of Chester is my local hospital, my son (not a baby) was in the hospital at the time she was formally charged. I remember seeing the tv cameras from the window in the ward, it was quite shocking. My heart goes out to all who suffered - and continue to suffer - as a result of her evil and senseless actions. Thank you for your observations on this case, Dr Grande. The only thing I can add is that, from her notes recovered by police, she seemed to be convinced she would never be able to marry and have children although she was young and fairly attractive. Maybe through her strange mental state there was some kind of jealousy she harboured about other peoples’ happiness in love and childbearing. Her private personal notes were most bizarre. She was also infatuated with one of the married doctors. She was brought up as an only child in a happy home with protective parents,

[@LDiamondz]

That's what I thought, after reading the letter. She was envious of the happy couples with their beautiful babies, because she thought she'd never have that. She did it out of envy, jealousy, malice, she was a sadist and wanted the parents to suffer. She also probably enjoyed the attention she got when one of her patients passed, as most good nurses care about the babies in their charge.

[@boudicca7181]

I would not use this hospital for anything.

[@laravonstaden1838]

@@boudicca7181 There are bad people everywhere, bad hospital management everywhere. Some get found out, some get away with it. I will continue to attend this hospital in the future, I don’t get a choice under the NHS. I think this hospital might become one of the safest in England after the fall out and official enquiries. There are really good and caring nursing staff at this hospital, I have personally received it. I do understand your reaction, however.

[@JessicaO490Z]

I think the difference is Lucy wanted to cause death while Beverly seemed to like the thrill of "saving" and just didn't care if that failed. For this reason I don't think Lucy has munchausen's by proxy, because they don't seek the death of their victims (or not primarily), rather the attention their victims bring to them when made sick. I read about some of the alleged things she said to grieving family, and she definitely seemed more sadistically attached to seeing the family's pain. (So maybe the families were her proxy and the infant just a tool to get her emotional fix). 🤢