To me the very obvious hole in Erins Mushroom bought from stores story is simple. Where are the other affected deadly Mushroom eaters. Or did Erin magically grab the only deadly Mushrooms available at store. Add to this she's already lied to Police and there is a custody battle going on. This is one very sickening and sad case.
@sarahholland2600 Жыл бұрын
The Daily Mail today is saying friends describe her as "an expert forager" of edible wild plants & fungi ....
@behemothsbaby Жыл бұрын
@@sarahholland2600 , I'd generally take what The Daily Fail claims with a pinch of salt but they do have a point with this…
@maxalberts2003 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahholland2600 If she's an "expert" what must the "amateurs" be like?
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
@@sarahholland2600 Daily Mail...enough said, pure clickbait bound
@messrsandersonco5985 Жыл бұрын
@@maxalberts2003 I go mushroom hunting. The FIRST thing you learn about is the Death Cap because it looks similar to common button mushrooms and are so deadly. However, you also learn the differences. From memory (I'm going back 30+ years), they have slightly yellow gills.
@kiwigirl6135 Жыл бұрын
I’m in Australia and following this closely… she said she used already dried mushrooms from an Asian store.. so why throw the dehydrator away if she supposedly didn’t use it 🤷♀️ with her ex husband’s past health and near death experience makes you wonder…..
@It-is-me...Melsie Жыл бұрын
I hear the owners of the Asian stores in Waverly are not happy with her.
@Franny95639 Жыл бұрын
If those deadly mushrooms came from a shop months ago, then surely, other mislabelled deadly mushroom purchasers would have been affected. They could have killed other people across Melbourne. If that is the truth. The coroner's report will be interesting.
@behemothsbaby Жыл бұрын
I buy a lot of dried Asian mushrooms and have never once fallen ill.
@margaretjohnson6259 Жыл бұрын
since when do asian food stores sell deadly mushrooms?
@behemothsbaby Жыл бұрын
@@margaretjohnson6259 , they don't! If I was an owner of an Asian Grocery store in Mount Waverley, I'd be seeing red!
@Chumpess_X9 ай бұрын
An update for those interested. She’s just been charged with murder, and they’re investigating this ‘illness’ her ex husband had while living with her.
@judyskinner2544 ай бұрын
well thank God!!!
@groverhateselmo Жыл бұрын
I’m struggling to imagine how she could have possibly thought she could get away with this. Also, if I owned an Asian food market in that area I would be pretty upset about being maligned like this.
@holycow3355 Жыл бұрын
You can tell shes not so bright, low IQ ??? !!!!!!
@maryswanson998211 ай бұрын
She’s lying.
@sarahbrown507311 ай бұрын
@@maryswanson9982 obviously. Even if you don't remember the name of the store....you're going to remember the general area of where it was. If she were telling the truth, she'd want the store to be found.
@helenweatherby169411 ай бұрын
I’d be sueing the pants off her.
@judithnelson122811 ай бұрын
@@helenweatherby1694she hasn't given an address or name of the store. Who is going to sue? The guests are dead.
@Hatbox948 Жыл бұрын
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt." Priceless humor even though for tragic circumstances.
@haveyoutried369 Жыл бұрын
Yea the dry straight faced puns he throws in occasionally are great 😆
@paulperry7091 Жыл бұрын
"Mushroom cloud of suspicion" even better! Comedy gold!
@takemyjobpleeez Жыл бұрын
And it's deadpan, which makes it even funnier. No cracking up. Just flat faced. Lol
@sarahvansant1224 Жыл бұрын
@@takemyjobpleeezYes! That’s why it’s perfect. Sometimes I wonder if he ever acted like that in therapy sessions with patients. I personally would enjoy it.
@limner123 Жыл бұрын
“Beef not-so-Wellington”
@phototristan Жыл бұрын
I've heard horror stories of people deliberately keeping someone sick just so they can care for them in some sort of sick co-dependency. Crazy.
@TiffanyStarr2141 Жыл бұрын
Munchausen by proxy
@brucesmith9144 Жыл бұрын
Munchausen by proxy
@blazingstar9638 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s called Munchausens by proxy, or FDIA ( Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another ) 😟
@majorpwner241 Жыл бұрын
Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
@dilsiam Жыл бұрын
Remember Gypsy Rose?
@babykangaroo876911 ай бұрын
As an Asian living in Melbourne, can I just say not cool playing the Asian grocery store card at all, Karen! I have been shopping in Asian grocery stores here for more than 15 years, all mushrooms you can buy here are packaged with strict import requirements, there is no way you can get hand written packaged mushroom anywhere, she is clearly evil and guilty
@NascentCoomer10 ай бұрын
well you can see how light the ozzy cops are taking it, she might get away with it actually
@christophera5569 ай бұрын
@NascentCoomer the Victorian police have now arrested Erin Paterson and they are now searching her property so the cops ain't taking it lightly let's just say they obviously have strong suspicions about Erin Paterson no doubt soon we will know if she is going to be charged over the mushroom related deaths.
@Catalina-Winemixer9 ай бұрын
@@NascentCoomer Dumbass got arrested today.
@richbuang29 ай бұрын
@@NascentCoomershe has been arrested this morning
@Infinitywarrior449 ай бұрын
Yup I agree. Placing blame on Asian store should be a hate crime in some way if it turns out she is lying which I think she is.
@kiwigirl61359 ай бұрын
Erin Patterson, the woman at the centre of a mushroom lunch that resulted in the deaths of three people, has been charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. The 49-year-old was this evening charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder. While the murder charges and two of the attempted murder charges relate to the mushroom lunch in July of this year that left three people dead and another critically ill in hospital, the remaining three attempted murder charges relate to historical incidents.
@sooffiiaaaa Жыл бұрын
As a aussie, who also believes pretty much anything anyone tells them, im pretty sure she is lying. The Australian food industry is so highly regulated and even seedy grocers are audited, imo she either picked these or got them on the black market and if she had not known they were poisonous she would also be dead. Nothing she says adds up.
@johncharles2771 Жыл бұрын
My theory is she used the hydrator to dry the poisonous mushrooms and use them later when she needed to. That is why she disposed of it soon after to get rid of evidence that is what it was used for, but the cops found it anyway (fantastic) which no doubt they are testing it forensically . She didn't purchase mushrooms from the Asian store thats a bunch of bull and furthermore the comment her husband made about "poisoning them" he knows, he knows what she is capable of. Just my armchair opinion. This will soon unfold.
@jl4260 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. We have super tight food regulations here. She’s trying to get away with it by blaming an independent Asian grocer as if they are not subject to the same standards somehow.
@koobie83 Жыл бұрын
So Asian grocery shops are automatically 'seedy'?
@StevenSiew2 Жыл бұрын
** So Asian grocery shops are automatically 'seedy'? ** They do sell seeds
@BlunderDownUnder Жыл бұрын
@@koobie83They have better quality and lower priced fresh produce than Cloesworth, by far. Hopping people start to realize that they need to use these places, Aldi and Costco and boycott the other two!
@MelaniaRose Жыл бұрын
I’m from Australia and I believe the police here need to test her deceased parents bodies for poison. When her parents died, she received inheritance.
@sandrah5405 Жыл бұрын
Well, in fairness, when most parents die their children inherit their money.
@elizabethroberts6215 Жыл бұрын
@@sandrah5405……yeah, but not TWO multimillion $ properties’………
@nlwilson4892 Жыл бұрын
@@sandrah5405 They both died in the same year, not particularly unusual but when someone is implicated in other deaths two previous ones that result in her inheriting a lot of money need to be looked at again.
@angelavolkov1126 Жыл бұрын
That's peanuts in Australia as far as house prices go,@@elizabethroberts6215
@PrecociousFriand Жыл бұрын
@@nlwilson4892 Correct. The statistics on partners dying within a year of each other are high. That's just how it goes.
@masmainster Жыл бұрын
The biggest tell for me on her guilty knowledge was the fact that when interviewed by the media shortly after the incident, the crying and weeping by Erin produced no actual tears. Bullsh@t flag right there.
@jenniferstewart7525 Жыл бұрын
Her body language is EPIC. She looks up to the sky, says affirmative statements while shaking her head no. Has ‘hysterical’ tears absent any actual tears and when she’s tired from the acting scene abruptly leaves in some weird confused walk around the car and keeps shaking her head faking the tears and acts all victimized by the press.
@SatumainenOlento11 ай бұрын
Yes! I agree! Those were fake tears! It was pretty good performance. She has had much practice in crying, but she was NOT sorry about what happened.
@AlexAndra-jh6hv11 ай бұрын
Did you ever see the Alec Murdaugh interview in the car when he reported finding the bodies? Very similar grief performance, especially rubbing his eyes and then checking his hand as if to see if he's produced any tears. Erin does that several times.
@Hummingbirds202311 ай бұрын
Question? Where does one find or buy poisoning mushrooms? I know she said she bought mushy from an Asian market but that is most likely a lie. So where does one find poison mushrooms? In the forest with Hansel and Gretel?
@AnnDaly-lt7sb11 ай бұрын
@@Hummingbirds2023 In paddocks, on the lawn
@mannatay11 ай бұрын
@@Hummingbirds2023They grow in the wild in the area where Erin lives.
@coleengoodell7523 Жыл бұрын
As someone who cooks meals of the non-lethal variety, I find it odd that she used both fresh and dried mushrooms. One would normally use one or the other, not both.
@archeewaters Жыл бұрын
um, when i cook, i use whatever is on hand. so both fresh and dried mushrooms would be used in the same recipe by me.
@alexanderorr2528 Жыл бұрын
@@archeewaters You sound like you are desperate to make excuses for her...I can't think of a single instance where you could use both dried and fresh mushrooms except from a soup and that's not what they ate. There is a 0.0% chance she bought those death caps at the grocery store. edit: Not to mention the nice racist tang to this case of blaming some mysterious Asian store for giving them poison.
@archeewaters Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderorr2528 so funny. i think she's guilty. but i also admit i'm a lousy cook. those 2 things are not naturally exclusive.
@seaofghosts Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderorr2528Most beef Wellington recipes use more than one type of mushroom.
@karencramer6491 Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderorr2528 I don't see it as purely racist just a convenient alibi due to the number of Asian grocers in Melbourne, many of whom do not use English labelling. Still a weak alibi but pity help the poor investigators who have to go door to door looking for the vendor.
@oodles_of_noodles. Жыл бұрын
So, if Erin supposedly bought the dried poisonous mushrooms then why would she panic and throw her food dehydrator away? Dried mushrooms don't need to go into a dehydrator and if you put ones from the supermarket into it and there was even the remotest chance they had caused the death of three people then wouldn't you want the police to have that evidence and issue an urgent recall and investigation in order to prevent other deaths? Keep talking Erin.... we're getting closer to the truth each time you do.
@SueRosalie Жыл бұрын
ikr which one was it? Did she make her own dried mushrooms or did she buy them?
@saintessa Жыл бұрын
In the "A Current Affair" episode last night when the journo was interviewing her - she looks like she's working herself up into a state like she's upset but not actually crying. It's almost comical how she keeps changing her story... Hope the man in hospital pulls through....What an awful thing.
@sydneydinks Жыл бұрын
100%
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
Quite right
@irishdaithi8688 Жыл бұрын
Shes not to bright tripping herself up at every turn
@shannonh6855 Жыл бұрын
If it was deliberate, there was likely a decoy Beef Wellington. One that she and her children ate, and that she handed over for testing. If she absolutely knew death caps were in the dish, no way would she just scrape them off for her kids, and no way did she hand it over
@margaretchabaud97009 ай бұрын
Agree!!
@sharileesprowls6215 Жыл бұрын
She not only fed her guests poisonous mushrooms. She actively went foraging for them. It's like mushroom hunting for morels, chicken of the woods, chanterelles, etc, except it's the lethal version. She's an expert forager according to her neighbors and friends. That alone proves she's a mycophile. I'm a mycophile. What's the first thing you learn when identifying mushrooms? The lethal ones. You learn what not to eat FIRST. The only thing I can think of where the dehydrator is concerned is she used it to dehydrate death caps because she wasn't sure when she was going to use them. She dehydrated them to save them from spoilage. The dehydrator could possibly still have the DNA from the Amanita phalloides (death cap mushroom). Police could find trace amounts years later. Anyway, she either made 2 beef Wellingtons or she only poisoned half of it. She thought this through backwards and forward. She's committed 1st degree murder, premeditation and all. She wasn't sick from poisoning via mushrooms when she went to the hospital either. She probably took a laxative to cause her diarrhea. If I were the husband, I'd start the divorce papers immediately. She's untrustworthy! 😂😂😂
@twinklepops159 ай бұрын
oh she probably sprinkled them on the victims seven, and not her own. a perfect alibi, mushrooms already in the smellington.
@leongt1954 Жыл бұрын
When I saw her on TV here in Aus and crying without any sign of tears then finding out she doesn't remember the name of the Asian store she brought the dehydrated mushrooms from and then throwing her own dehydrator out before the cops got there is highly suspicious to me
@jamesclark6487 Жыл бұрын
The "Asian store" that happened to have deadly mushrooms and she happened to exhaust their stock of said deadly mushrooms. That store.
@stlounsbury Жыл бұрын
OMG 😳 🍄
@WS_00 Жыл бұрын
Bought not brought.
@Scrappicat11 ай бұрын
She's even wiping her eyes and checking for tears. Most grieving people wouldn't bother to do that. Very odd.
@mogimeow Жыл бұрын
I do my Asian grocery shopping in Mount Waverley sometimes. I’ve never seen labels on the packaging for dry mushrooms are handwritten….This morning the Australian mushroom industry issued a statement saying it was impossible for growers to sell poisonous mushrooms in shops.
@It-is-me...Melsie Жыл бұрын
Some reporters have visited the Asian grocers in the area and they couldn't find any hand written labels either.
@hodgeelmwood8677 Жыл бұрын
Just to play devil's advocate, if I were a store owner who stocked products with hand-written labels, and I heard about this case, I would immediately remove all such products from my store. Not saying that's what happened, it's just a logical possibility.
@mogimeow Жыл бұрын
@@Yuum.yummms I wondered where you are based? I’m Asian and the dry mushroom products I can find in the asian grocers here in Melbourne all have printed labels on them. Maybe this lady went to an Asian grocery store that I have never been and they had packaging with handwritten labels. Would it good to know which store she went to so I can avoid going there.
@mogimeow Жыл бұрын
@@hodgeelmwood8677 umm….I thought the store would be the victim in this if the mushrooms did come from a store, unless the store also grows and sells poisonous mushrooms then they would have a good reason to remove their products from the shelves. Also, we haven’t had any other reported cases of people dying from eating mushrooms bought from the stores in Melbourne recently.
@spaideman7850 Жыл бұрын
if erin found guilty, she is really a racist besides a cruel killer. malign an asian grocer for nothing. she is an expert mushroom picker and they went for mushroom picking during mushroom season, don't tell me she couldn't identify the world-deadliest mushroom even when its dried?
@baysideharpy8350 Жыл бұрын
Like many murderers, she did a car crash TV interview in her driveway proclaiming her innocence. That was giveaway No.1.
@RationalGaze216 Жыл бұрын
If Erin frequently foraged for fungi, I find it unfathomable that she would forego foraging in favor of finding her fungi at a food mart.
@kaj7311 ай бұрын
Great alliteration!!😊
@SatumainenOlento11 ай бұрын
Yes, but I do forage and also buy mushrooms. Sometimes it is a hassle to process the mushrooms and you want to make it easy for yourself. But in the other hand...it is quite rare to use both dried and fresh mushrooms at the same meal. Perhaps, if there was not enough the fresh ones 🤔
@MrGundawindy11 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@susanlisson70669 ай бұрын
Not hard to imagine though if she didn’t have enough for the meal she was preparing, but NO Asian grocer sells poisonous mushrooms. Customs here are very very thorough and strict when it comes to letting in food items from other countries.
@lisagfrerer94299 ай бұрын
maybe it wasnt mushroom season
@Bebecat477 Жыл бұрын
I'm with you, Doc. How odd no one else has purchased these deadly mushrooms..The store have only one pack to sell?
@maxalberts2003 Жыл бұрын
They must have been on "Clearance...."
@HooLeePhucingSheet Жыл бұрын
Since the Tylenol scare, they do not fuk around with claims like that.
@bluefungi Жыл бұрын
Yea they test every batch actually. She's definitely lying. In fact I researched a while back what it takes to grow mushrooms and lets say that they will test your batch if you are selling them to markets. If they are magic or posion you'll be arrested.
@donbrashsux Жыл бұрын
Half price for 1 pack of mushrooms only
@alepvl8951 Жыл бұрын
Thank God she didn't try to contaminate store mushrooms so more people would get sick
@ianslow1234 Жыл бұрын
Don Patterson was the nicest gentle soul and a great teacher, I was fortunate to enough to be in a few of his classes after he brought his family in from Botswana back in the mid eighties. He taught me a lot despite being the poor student I was in school. I still did think of him often. Now I want answers why his life has been shortened.
@Ena48145 Жыл бұрын
Ian, I am so sorry for your loss
@lynnkramer1211 Жыл бұрын
From what I have gathered from these two programs, It appears that Erin wanted to kill all the people who were talking against her and therefore preventing, in her mind, from winning her ex-husband back. She might have thought that he would be overcome with grief. She would console him and he would then take her back, or maybe she wanted to hill him as well.
@lenettew135311 ай бұрын
She didn't succeed in killing him the first time, so she had to up the ante. He didn't even show up because he didn't trust her. It is so sad so many people had to die from her delusion, and she didn't even get the one she hated the most. She must really feel stupid right now. Maybe they will make her a cook in prison 😛
@wesleytillman9774 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be a miracle if Erin Patterson isn't guilty, but this is a prime example of how people who commit crimes talk themselves into prison. Defense attorneys are always telling their clients to shut up but that advice is seldom followed. Those who come up with plans to commit murders and follow through with them usually have a lot to say to the police and their stories tend to become increasingly convoluted and contradictory until their explanations themselves become the prosecutor that convicts them.
@JunkBondTrader11 ай бұрын
reminds me of the drunk guy who essentially ratted on himself to a police officer, because he couldn't help but subtly brag about his crime. He was hammered, walking down the street and just approached a cop and started talking. Google "Marek Hecko video". My favourite quote "You're gonna think it was meeeee, but its not gonna be meeeee, cos there's no proof", all in an over the top Slovakian accent, naturally.
@rmac321711 ай бұрын
Boo hoo, criminals are stupid and want leniency, who cares.
@EvieVermont9 ай бұрын
Good point
@rmac32179 ай бұрын
Saying nothing will not look good in front of the jury anyway, when u are guilty it is a problem u will have to deal with eventually.
@insight1256 Жыл бұрын
In my view the fact that Erin’s friends said she was an experienced “mushroom forager” is damming evidence against her. She would know how to identify and obtain death cap mushrooms.
@MindyBeee Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought. Think her friend was trying to make her sound better...
@PaleMagnolia Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Erin is guilty (and not especially smart about hiding it, either), but victims of mushroom poisoning often consider themselves experts, and have foraged mushrooms for years. Unfortunately death caps can be mistaken for edible mushrooms, especially when they're small, or when the color has faded due to rain. I used to forage mushroom and I was always a bit wary about picking Caesar's mushrooms (which are delicious when eaten raw) because they look a lot like death caps.
@t-and-p Жыл бұрын
I agree. Death caps are easy to confuse with a variety of edible mushroooms to the untrained eye - but not for someone experienced, especially if they've foraged the same area for years. That's because you learn which areas are more likely to have death caps and, if you're not wanting to kill anyone, you avoid those areas. The part that screams premeditation to me, though, is the timing of this lunch and the dehydrator. It's winter in Australia, so the death caps wouldn't have been available to pick fresh. That means that they would have needed to be gathered and stored a significant time in advance. Perfect way to store them? Dehydrate them (which would also change the taste and make the guests less likely to realise what was going on). I'm sure she thoroughly cleaned the dehydrator afterwards, she may have even used it afterwards, and thought that was enough - but, if her husband suspected her (& he knew her better than any of us), put two and two together and challenged her, realising how she'd done it? That would have caused her to panic that a microscopic trace could be left on the appliance and seal her fate, which is why she dumped it in such a rush, and in a careless manner, too (they would know she'd been there through phone tracing, CCTV, etc). I don't think she'd thought that through until he scared her, because it's the only part not carefully planned, but her knee-jerk reaction (immediately dumping it and not having a decent explanation) implies that he was right. Scary, really...
@desres2281 Жыл бұрын
This woman is like Stephen King's "Misery" on steroids! 😏
@Jack-gn4gl Жыл бұрын
@@desres2281 that's the first thing I thought when I saw her,Misery 2 the sequel
@robynnekelson4361 Жыл бұрын
As an Aussie living in Melbourne I love that Dr Grande pronounces the names of our towns and cities correctly ❤
@karencramer6491 Жыл бұрын
Is this a tongue in cheek comment? He got Leongatha completely wrong.
@StevenSiew2 Жыл бұрын
** As an Aussie living in Melbourne I love that Dr Grande pronounces the names of our towns and cities correctly ** MAL BORN is the capital city of Victoria. BRISS BANE is the capital city of Queensland.
@paulweston285 Жыл бұрын
You can tell your from Melbourne you need to get out more Robyn
@INTELLIGENCE_Revolution Жыл бұрын
I just posted a similar comment. Before I came across yours 😂🎉❤
@debrastarr5083 Жыл бұрын
Yes agree Karen, as we in Oz know its gath as in.....arrest the ACCused...I think??!!@@karencramer6491
@jewellerylove Жыл бұрын
4:50 I don’t think it’s strange that she could remember that the dried mushrooms were in a packet with a handwritten label, but couldn’t remember where she bought them. Presumably they were still in the packet right before she cooked them, so seeing the label would’ve been fresh in her mind. Whereas having bought the dried mushrooms months ago it’s quite understandable that she could no longer remember the store where she bought them.
@jamesbowman6925 Жыл бұрын
Few people are gullible enough to believe her cock-and-bull story. You can excuse away any one thing, but taken together the numerous inconsistencies and absurdities prove that this was premeditated murder.
@azzv.kuskatan Жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯
@Mon-ps6jh11 ай бұрын
I came here to write the same thing. Not remembering where someone bought something is not strange at all. I would not remember this from months earlier although I may remember a label that was on it just days later. Sje would also be quite traumatised from the events of the last few days so brain fog and confusion could be an issue.
@jacquelinehaddon99911 ай бұрын
I would remember exactly where I bought them , particularly from an Asian store. It’s not like there is an Asian grocery store in every suburb like coles and Woolies.
@Mon-ps6jh11 ай бұрын
@@jacquelinehaddon999 depends wber you live, how many Asian stores there are and how long youhad them. I have a bag of dehydrated mushrooms from an Asian grocerin my pantry an have no idea where or when I bought it.
@alexandraw.401211 ай бұрын
The genius puns, delivered by someone well spoken, and in such a level, clear and dry tone of voice, make these stories easier to listen to. Even though what Erin did was horrible, I appreciate the brief bits of levity 🙂
@tdb7992 Жыл бұрын
Yesterday, a tradesman who had worked on a house that she had owned showed photos to the media of bizarre drawings that were all over the wall. They were all to do with death and murdering people, really grim stuff.She had called the guy in to paint over the drawings o the house could be sold, and he took photos with his phone. This whole story is just insane.
@tom5051666 Жыл бұрын
to be fair the kids could be playing a fantasy game. I think it is irrelevant to this case. She clearly wanted to kill anyone who could take custody of their children by using death cap mushrooms. Then she could have the kids and claim it was an accident
@ericf7063 Жыл бұрын
That's some fast food for thought. Wow!
@raia9 Жыл бұрын
Amazing that he kept the photo on his phone for a year or more.
@Jillybeans140 Жыл бұрын
@@raia9have a look at your own phone and check when you last deleted pics off it. Prob never! Like most of us.
@tanyabrown9839 Жыл бұрын
@@tom5051666 seriously who would do that and think they could get away with it, one would have to be half insane.. and if she did do it why didn't she get rid of the food dehydrator far earlier and only get rid of it after everyone was sick. There is a lot of strangeness in this whole story and I cant figure out if she's innocent or guilty (unlike the Dingo has my baby case in which I always believed they were innocent even after they were wrongly sent to jail).
@jtfoto1 Жыл бұрын
AS an Aussie following this case, it seems to me that the real reason she disposed of the dehydrator is that it was used to process mushrooms that she harvestered herself knowing full well that they were deathcaps. She processed them so that she could then use them at a later time that was convenient.
@ferrumignis Жыл бұрын
That seems the most likely explanation by far.
@Jack-gn4gl Жыл бұрын
If you're telling the truth you have nothing to hide
@SanctuaryLife Жыл бұрын
Yes that’s damning!
@SanctuaryLife Жыл бұрын
I can also see the her being asked: did you deliberately cut your hair into the shape of a mushroom. Was it before or after you killed them all?
@eliz1957 Жыл бұрын
She did say …EXACTLY THAT .. she said she got scared because it was revealed. It was the mushrooms that took their lives and she did get rid of it.
@susannemontagnemslmtryt7885 Жыл бұрын
The most prolific serial killer, Harold Shipman, was a poisoner. They say the poisoner is someone you never suspect, innocent face, no open conflict. It's fascinating and the scrawlings on her wall to me suggest a disturbed woman who manages to keep up appearances.
@MindyBeee Жыл бұрын
RIP to the victims. Such a horrific story. Something fishy about Erin for sure.
@JBplumbing129 ай бұрын
When Erin goes to prison she wont be allowed in the kitchen.
@bills6093 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you be trying like hell to find the store that sold you those deadly mushrooms? That's your get out of jail card right there. And if you bought dried mushrooms, why did you need a dehydrator?
@spaideman7850 Жыл бұрын
Erin could take her time to tell the police where she bought those mushroom, mabbe next year, its only the world-deadliest mushroom that could kill all OZ.
@HooLeePhucingSheet Жыл бұрын
Idk why everyone is focused on the mushrooms when the motive is clear. Instead of killing her children to get at the ex husband, she killed his loved ones.
@tanyabrown9839 Жыл бұрын
If she found the store she says she brought the poisoned ones from.. how on earth is that going to clear her? they will just deny it and they wont be selling those mushrooms still months later and obviously she still doesn't have the packaging from the mushrooms or she could have just given the police that.
@bills6093 Жыл бұрын
@@tanyabrown9839 Of course we know all that. If she were innocent, she would be trying to find the store that killed her loved ones. Innocent people would also want to stop the store from selling more deadly shrooms. We all know that she picked those mushrooms on purpose, and dried them herself, but a jury would almost certainly clear her if she actually found the store that supposedly sold them to her. I also think she poisoned her husband earlier so she could be the hero and nurse him back to health.
@jamieshelker2178 Жыл бұрын
@@tanyabrown9839why hasn't anybody else died from this so called shop
@kathykaveh1471 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande, just wanted to make a general comment. As a therapist and a writer, I truly love your brilliant analyses, your wit, puns and impeccable use of alliterations!! Not too many people listen to podcasts about murder before bed, but I go to sleep at nights listening to your videos b/c of your soothing voice. So I usually don't get a chance to comment! But yours is my favorite KZbin channel and I think you are truly a brilliant man. Thanks for the great content.
@blazingstar9638 Жыл бұрын
Comment award🏆
@Sugarplum33 Жыл бұрын
A lot of true crime people listen to this stuff at bed. I like interrogation videos for bedtime 😅
@Aliiiita Жыл бұрын
I love his voice too, is calming plus he’s very informative ❤
@deboracopeland4795 Жыл бұрын
I put a play list of his for bedtime to. Great voice.😊
@paulweston285 Жыл бұрын
You two ought to get a room !
@Rosi_bold Жыл бұрын
I think she dehydrated the death cap mushrooms and then processed them to a powder to add to the gravy that would be served with the beef Wellington, as that can’t show up in an autopsy stomach. Plus if you buy dehydrated mushrooms in an Asian store with a hand written label it would be written in Asian and this would not even be the case. How would she even know what she’s buying. I think she realised that if she poisons the whole family and parents in law, her recently separated husband (not yet divorced) would inherit hectares of farmland and assets and property as they are wealthy she would gain more in the divorce settlement. Then she gets rid of the husband and gains everything or the children inherit everything. That’s my theory.
@tabkaliO Жыл бұрын
Also dehydration of edible mushrooms enhances their flavor and for poisonous ones increases their potency.
@wintersunday19 ай бұрын
I think when she corrects herself in that interview after saying she was 'sorry they had all passed' and then says ' no Don is not dead' (paraphrasing) was like she had pre rehearsed that line for the media and then it didn't go according to plan.. My condolences to the family
@sandy-quimsrus Жыл бұрын
As a chef there is no way you would use dried Chinese mushrooms in beef Wellington!
@archeewaters Жыл бұрын
as a non chef, i would.
@THE-id1by Жыл бұрын
@@archeewatershave you ever made Beef Wellington
@blazingstar9638 Жыл бұрын
@@THE-id1byI only know what that is because of chef Ramsay lol
@TiffanyStarr2141 Жыл бұрын
Who said they were chinese mushrooms? She said she got them from an asian (or Chinese) grocery story. Its assumed that most things would be of asian origin but most produce isn't considered ethnic
@Marie2001Br Жыл бұрын
chinese mushroom is very overpowering. Beef wellington uses western mushroom which is mostly flavorless
@azarov3908 Жыл бұрын
I love foraging for mushrooms. There is absolutely no way she could have confused death cap mushrooms for anything else. Death caps and other closely related poisonous mushrooms have a very specific color, stipe, spore print, and cap. Just knowing a few parts of the mushroom will eliminate all non poisonous options. She knew 1000%
@lisaa879511 ай бұрын
And smell, apparently. A possible reason for using the dehydrator.
@HigoIndico11 ай бұрын
If you pick them up properly, then there's no confusion because of the big stub on the bottom of the leg. Some people have picked them as gypsy mushrooms(Cortinarius caperatus) but they two totally different mushrooms. There's no way that experienced forager would have picked death caps by accident, unless she's having early dementia or something like that. You see them from far away and know what they are, if you've been mushroom hunting for ages.
@colettebishop217311 ай бұрын
If you forage mushrooms, the first ones you learn to identify are the ones that will kill you!
@KiKi-ij4oe9 ай бұрын
What if they were dried? Would it still be 1000% ?
@JBplumbing129 ай бұрын
@@colettebishop2173 Yes, every mushroom forager knows you don't eat the ones that are white underneath.
@bingonamo7520 Жыл бұрын
The Lindy Chamberlain case was completely different. It was political and linked to tourism. Cops framed her as it was feared that if tourists thought dingoes were dangerous, they would stop going to that part of Australia (the Northern Territory, which relies heavily on tourism) and it would affect the economy. Australia can have some really dodgy people in power, in politics and in the police force.
@australien661111 ай бұрын
Got any references for that claim?
@bingonamo752011 ай бұрын
@@australien6611 Sure, send me the pay rate for an investigative journalist and I'll show you them, stranger on the internet that expects me to do free work for them as they can't be bothered doing a basic google search.
@eoin195911 ай бұрын
Exactly the same with Bradley Murdoch who was framed for murdering Peter Falconio... no motive, no weapon, no body, and no witness.
@santyclause80349 ай бұрын
Had an apprentice master in the sheety group next door (Apprentice Training School, GAF) whose surname was Chamberlain In his case a niece was kidnapped from her room whilst teh family slept, a dude entered through a window. Then the "a dingo stole muh baby" happened. That's over 50 years ago when I was 16.
@twinklepops159 ай бұрын
different time and different approach to police work as well.
@commonsense2680 Жыл бұрын
I just love listening to your videos Dr. Grande. As is obvious, I love people with common sense which seems to be completely lacking these days. So whenever I hear your common sense analysis of most situations, I mostly agree with your analysis, and feel relieved that at least one person out there still has a brain, oh, and a great sense of humor! Thanks you!
@GloriaRosarioRivera Жыл бұрын
Smart man right here
@apbtainc Жыл бұрын
What's the bet she made a mushroom sauce to go with the beef wellington. Those plates are scraped off and cleaned, as was the pot she cooked the sauce in. The left over BW contains no poisonous mushrooms. She picked those deadly mushrooms, dehydrated them to keep for the sauce sometime down the track and when her ex accused her she ditched the dehydrator.
@astaraoneill9166 Жыл бұрын
@apbtainc, ooooh!!! Good thinking!!
@thurston4mor Жыл бұрын
That’s how kids ate it the next evening No sauce on it
@gwenlittle8100 Жыл бұрын
Yes! That way if they tested the beef wellington, it would come out clear.
@chrismacmillan2571 Жыл бұрын
Wow buttons for the bw and deathcaps for the gravy
@seekerout Жыл бұрын
Good thinking. Your theory fits all the facts. If that's what really did happen, she messed up by saying she included the Asian mushrooms along with button mushrooms in the Beef Wellington. If forensic analysis of the remaining beef Wellington shows only button mushrooms, the police will know for sure that she lied and there's no innocent explanation for coming up with such a preposterous falsehood.
@nancyneyedly4587 Жыл бұрын
If the mushrooms are so deadly then the whole dish would be contaminated and she couldn't just pick them out so she could feed them to her kids without them getting a bit sick too. So maybe these mushrooms were prepared on the side and added specifically to the older guests dishes, so many weird little details not making sense that it is hard to understand what really happened.
@mrazik131 Жыл бұрын
yes good point, the poison from mushrooms would "leak out " so this is plausible explanation.
@sugarspice7768 Жыл бұрын
BINGO!
@robosing225 Жыл бұрын
@@mrazik131 Not true. You have to consume the mushroom and a decent amount of them to have liver failure.
@heartsmyfaceforever8140 Жыл бұрын
That’s not true. Just one mushroom can kill.
@paulf2529 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, the juices would always come out unless the mushrooms were added really late, and then being dried, they would be unpalatable. With death caps, it would only require half of one to contaminate the dish, so this could have been pree coocked ready and added at the last minute.
@cate9353 Жыл бұрын
Well spoken and analysed. We here in 🇦🇺 think the same. Some things do not add up at all. We wait with interest while the relevant authorities continue to gather evidence.
@Nancy_Amy9 ай бұрын
She was arrested today. My friend used to live next to her. It's pretty horrific and the police have been carefully collecting evidence, so they have absolutely no reasonable doubt.
@-_-Onyx-_- Жыл бұрын
There are less than 10 Asian grocery stores within a 2 hour drive of Erin's town, based on what little digging I did on Google Maps. I find it extremely difficult to believe she would be unable to identify which store she bought mushrooms from if her story was to be true.
@AmyBurchall Жыл бұрын
She claimed she got them in the Mount Waverley area which is much closer to Melbourne and conveniently has lots of Asian stores.
@-_-Onyx-_- Жыл бұрын
That makes a little more sense, I just assumed. Thank you for informing me. I live somewhere rural so I have trouble imagining not remembering which Asian store you went to because we only have one nearby. @@AmyBurchall
@wickedfairy2370 Жыл бұрын
She has a lot of convenient lies. She has motive when it’s a divorce or custody battle.
@-_-Onyx-_- Жыл бұрын
I don't believe her story either, especially since most of the people who would've had the ability to fight for custody were all at the dinner. @@wickedfairy2370
@It-is-me...Melsie Жыл бұрын
@@-_-Onyx-_- I personally think that if you live out of the city as she does then you'd be more inclined to remember exactly what shop you bought something from, as you're not going into the city often.
@awright8416 Жыл бұрын
The four guests for lunch had food poisoning that night. She gave the children leftovers the next lunchtime. Did noone contact her by then to let her know the others were sick? Did the children have no effects from remnants on the meat? It was two days later before she went to hospital with gastro which seems a long gap. The more she elaborates the more unbelievable she sounds.
@yoricade Жыл бұрын
Surely even if she picked out the mushrooms for the kids the toxins would have spread all over the dish by that time?
@Joelswinger34 Жыл бұрын
Good point! And if the guests were deathly ill, why give the same food to her kids?
@jaybe2908 Жыл бұрын
She could of made two beef Wellingtons, one for the people she wanted to kill/injure and the other was for her and children. She then just lied about scrapping off the mushrooms and being sick herself.
@wayneperry7413 Жыл бұрын
@@Joelswinger34we have no idea if she actually gave her kids leftovers, that is just hers and the kids story.
@awright8416 Жыл бұрын
@jaybe2908 of course! That's so likely it should be obvious, but you're the first person I've seen pointing it out.
@heidikroft33378 ай бұрын
Kia Ora, greetings from New Zealand Doctor Grande, kudos for your plainspeak thoughts and I enjoy your presentations immensely, great food for thought.
@MEL2theJ Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the update Dr. Grande 🙏
@ld-zj1bn Жыл бұрын
No way she bought thise mushrooms. As an experienced mushroom forager, she's picked them deliberately. If she'd picked them by mistake she'd be in shock, admitting the mistake, apologising from the bottom of her heart and begging for mercy.
@Jack-gn4gl Жыл бұрын
She dumped the dehydrator,case closed fortunately
@lisaa879511 ай бұрын
@@Jack-gn4gl Her explanation for doing so doesn't fool anybody either.
@davidng8870 Жыл бұрын
I am completely engrossed by this story, its the wildest case from Australia in recent memory. The motive seems so thin but its looking bad for Erin. Ive never seen anyone cook themselves so badly not in interrogation but via voluntary public statements. Her lawyers must be beside themselves.
@kylieharrison3782 Жыл бұрын
Plenty of motives. Resentment, money, revenge... How did her biological mother and father die? Did she or her children put the death cap mushrooms in the meal? If she did not do it then it's obvious that the next possible perpetrators are the kids. Particularly given evidence of the artwork on the wall in a previous rental home they lived in.
@anthony.3614 Жыл бұрын
You would be interested in the case of Jessica Wongso, an Australian girl who poisoned her friend in Jakarta because she was jealous of her.
@tanyabrown9839 Жыл бұрын
As an Aussie some here, a case hasn't intrigued me as much since the dingo got my baby case (which I always thought they were innocent, with this one though I just don't know)
@davidharvey321 Жыл бұрын
To call it the wildest case is pretty far fetched.
@adrib3084 Жыл бұрын
@kylieharrison3782 what artwork are you referring to?
@yasminskye52249 ай бұрын
I live in Australia and this is on the news everywhere
@saileshramcharan3445 Жыл бұрын
The dry humour is really appreciated. Respect from South Africa
@yoshughes5342 Жыл бұрын
the fact that her friends know her as an experienced mushroom forager and that she used to write for the local newspaper and once happened to feature an article about growing mushrooms at home is simply not coincidental and enough to make me believe that what she did was premeditated
@tankthearc987511 ай бұрын
sorry not enough proof to convict of murder with that
@graytoby111 ай бұрын
@@tankthearc9875they will get her eventually. For sure she's done it
@coldpotatoes255611 ай бұрын
@@tankthearc9875 thanks judge👍
@flowerjpotter162911 ай бұрын
@@tankthearc9875 If she bought them dried in a packet, so dried that they sat in her cupboard for months then why would she need to put them in her drying machine ? It's looking like she picked them then dried them herself.
@sarahbrown507311 ай бұрын
As an experienced mushroom forager, myself.....you don't accidentally buy deathcaps from an Asian grocery. That's a ridiculous story. Even if she doesn't remember the name of the grocery, she can't remember where the store was? She's clearly lying.
@yawn1887 Жыл бұрын
She knew exactly what she was doing.
@BlacksFirst-xo1kr Жыл бұрын
She did
@jchur7128 Жыл бұрын
Yes, she knew what she wanted to do, but she was not alert enough to judge her action plan to be unforgivably vile and transparent.
@lf9341 Жыл бұрын
What do you think the motive would be?
@yawn1887 Жыл бұрын
@lf9341 money
@chantallennox1201 Жыл бұрын
Maybe she only half knew what she was doing. Maybe she wanted to make them ill, not dead, just as she (probably) did to her husband when he was hospitalised. Different batch of death caps may have different severity of effect. She may be an experienced forager. It I’d guess her experience of poisoning is more limited
@TK-fd3qt Жыл бұрын
Well done. Tnx. I am SERIOUSLY HAPPY that YT is used also by intelligent people for good cause, not just by half braindead and narcissists. Gr8.
@eoin195911 ай бұрын
Love your thorough investigations (and your very dry sense of humour)!
@cloisterene Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe that an experienced mushroom forager would use store-bought mushrooms for such a fancy meal. I bet the grocer didn't appreciate being named as the source, either. The duper's delight was readily apparent in her expression as she pretended to cry. Her overly-dramatic sobs sounded more like barely suppressed laughter. I winced every time she poked herself in the eye. I wondered that she let her tousled hair hang over her eyes, too.
@SueRosalie Жыл бұрын
and she kept checking her fingers to see if there were tears. She was not wearing makeup. She was screwing her face up to try to manufacture tears. They weren't there.
@thurston4mor Жыл бұрын
And grieving person would be in denial of thier losses Not accepting States’ they were good people’
@tinknal6449 Жыл бұрын
Hard to say. I gather wild mushrooms but still buy them because mushrooms are seasonal. Also there are good years and bad years for wild mushroom production. I haven't found many the last couple of years.
@markusgorelli5278 Жыл бұрын
@@tinknal6449 I thought the same thing as cloisterene. And given that this was a specially prepared lunch, one would think that she would have wanted her personal touch by including mushrooms that she herself had gathered. But point noted.
@tinknal6449 Жыл бұрын
@@markusgorelli5278 I'm sure that is exactly what she did, I'm just sharing my own experience as a mushroom hunter. I've had a long dry spell due to 3 years of summer droughts.
@paulweston285 Жыл бұрын
She served her signature dish " il Fungo la Sorpresa " ( Mushroom Surprise ) Its worth looking into her own parents mysterious deaths in 2019 in which she got their estate there after. Her story has more holes than Swiss cheese
@paularose9407 Жыл бұрын
Wow I didn't know that. Massive red flag right there. omg.
@mjremy2605 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I would agree.
@_Kittensworth10 ай бұрын
I've spent many years studying mushrooms as a hobby. Most mushroom foragers know the death cap, it's one of the first ones you learn because it's deadly. Furthermore, button mushrooms in stores are almost always grown, not foraged, so there is no way it could accidentally contain the wrong mushroom.
@IvarDaigon11 ай бұрын
I live in Melbourne and I have been buying dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery store for more than 15 years and never once got sick nor have I even heard about someone getting sick from eating dried mushrooms from a store, nor have I ever seen dried mushrooms with a hand written label. There is just so much about her story that makes absolutely no sense like: 1. If she bought dried mushrooms, why did she even need to use a dehydrator? Dried mushrooms always come in an air tight package to keep them dry.. 2. Who even makes beef wellington with dried mushrooms?, it's not easy to puree dried mushrooms.. 3. How do you even scrape mushroom puree off a wellington? 4. Why wouldn't you just make some of it without mushrooms if you knew your kids hate mushrooms? 5. Why would you feed leftovers to your kids if everyone got sick after a meal at the same place...? So much that makes no sense at all.. makes be suspect she is lying about so many of the details.
@megalopolis2015 Жыл бұрын
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt" was the headline that brought me here. I couldn't wait to hear all of the fungal puns. :0) Many blessings to you and your wife. ❤
@robosing225 Жыл бұрын
The mushroom cloud pun had me in knots.
@astaraoneill9166 Жыл бұрын
I saw one of his viewers had left that comment on the first vid.
@megalopolis2015 Жыл бұрын
@@astaraoneill9166 Oh?
@thepatshowonwp Жыл бұрын
I believe she intended to make the family sick, not kill them. She would have then swooped in and rescued everybody then Simon would realize how much he needed her and would be so grateful. The fact that so many of her guests got sick at the same time in itself sticks out but add to that her foraging knowledge and the fact Simon got mysteriously ill last year and that just pins it for me.📌 Unless a dingo gets involved I think we have our culprit.
@PrecociousFriand Жыл бұрын
How would she 'rescue' 'everybody' exactly. No really, elaborate on that one. I'm sure we'd all love to know what your wandering whimsical 'thoughts' are. Better yet call the police and share them.
@MoontownMoss Жыл бұрын
@@PrecociousFriand You could probably direct your abnormally passionate ire against comment-thread musings to a more deserving recipient.
@spinetingler-007 Жыл бұрын
What about her husband and parents? Her parents got sick and died, and her ex-husband got sick and almost died. She could have been poisoning people for decades.
@thepatshowonwp Жыл бұрын
@@spinetingler-007 I think the only reason she didn't give mushrooms to the kids is because she didn't know how much to give them--it was riskier, as if sickening her entire dinner party wouldn't stand out in and of itself.
@andlemmejustsayJus Жыл бұрын
@@PrecociousFriandshe would be the only person not sick and take care of her estranged husbands family. He'd have to come back. It's called enmeshment. Make herself valuable.
@lepoussinvengeur3 ай бұрын
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt" is the BEST pun EVER !!
@cathymc116 Жыл бұрын
A couple who are friends of mine were regular mushroom foragers. In my home town there's some small brown mushroom species collected by certain ethnicities--Serbians, Slovak, and Polish-Americans. Anyway, they went foraging and somehow picked and consumed poison mushrooms. They were in intensive care for over a week, this mushroom affected their heart rhythm. So, even experienced mushroom foragers can make mistakes.
@taelor56 Жыл бұрын
They don't lie about were they found them though
@ubellubo Жыл бұрын
"It was Erin's responsibility to serve a non-lethal lunch". Understatement of the year.
@idellbrown1825 Жыл бұрын
Look closely, she's crying, but NO tears. Don't have to physically eat the mushrooms. The juice from the mushrooms would still make you sick and probably die a horrible painful death l. She used too many mushrooms, miscalculated the amount. Remember, no tears. If she gets away with this, like I said,her daughter scraped the mushrooms off, that wouldn't matter, the juice would of affected her big time. I hope the investigators dig deeper and not blow this off. She's basically a serial killer in one fell swoop!!!
@marisapolesky Жыл бұрын
I liked when she'd wipe her eyes then look at her fingers to see if there were any tears on them
@carriefawcett9990 Жыл бұрын
No, not a serial killer, serial.killers have a cooling off period between murders. She's just a murderer, close to a family annihilator, but not quite. Horrible woman.
@PrecociousFriand Жыл бұрын
You need mental help or to go back to secondary level education or both. Regardless you have too much time on your hands. Please don't attempt to write fiction you are absolutely terrible at it.
@marietaylor9032 Жыл бұрын
Yes and that would make her a mass murderer or family annihilator I think 🤔
@Andy_Idea9 ай бұрын
Update: she was finally arrested and charged with the murders (and attempted murder) yesterday.
@Erebus369 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, Australia has very strict guidelines around the sale and consumption of foods. It's highly implausible that she bought the death caps from a store as all products would be thoroughly vetted prior to market
@marymadu5797 Жыл бұрын
I’m a psychiatrist with a background in forensics. I love your work. Please analyse the case of Wayne couzen the killer cop. Your analyses are soo good.
@paulweston285 Жыл бұрын
Id like to read your take on this mushroom case Mary. I think the police are waiting on toxicology results
@algonquin7187 Жыл бұрын
yet you misspell analysis
@madmick6275 Жыл бұрын
@@algonquin7187 Analyses is the plural form of analysis! Must suck being Pedantic and wrong at the same time.
@@algonquin7187 Wrong again! I do not believe she is innocent. But due to the bias law standards in our country i doubt she will do any real time if proven guilty.
@tmajcan94 Жыл бұрын
Beef not so Wellington. Classic Dr. Grande. Thank you for the update doc. Keep up the amazing work!
@jet_GraveWhisperer Жыл бұрын
I'm from Victoria and multiple mushrooms experts on Aussie TV have said it's very highly unlikely they were bought from a shop
@BaDazai Жыл бұрын
She supposedly 'panicked' and threw away the food dehydrator but not the Beef Wellington that she cooked and linked her to the death of her guests? Yeah right!!🙄🙄
@rubyoro0 Жыл бұрын
How do we know that it was the same beef Wellington?
@dudemorris7769 Жыл бұрын
@@rubyoro0right as they could’ve ate something somewhere else before coming to her home to have lunch. They aren’t going to charge her as they don’t have the mushrooms to prove she did anything. She foraged mushrooms often and if she did pick deadly mushrooms by accident & in fact went to the hospital on the same day as they did, & there was nothing showing they were poisoned in their labs.
@spinetingler-007 Жыл бұрын
Stop thinking independently. Go along with the majority party line.
@bluestarblue22 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! And then she says she fed the leftover beef Wellington to her kids the next day for either lunch or dinner. That doesn’t make any sense. Wasn’t that after the in-laws had been hospitalised? The seriousness of the situation was known by then. She, herself had been to hospital and treated with liver protecting medicine. It doesn’t add up.
@JiggyAbraham Жыл бұрын
@@dudemorris7769she said she bought the mushrooms from an Asian grocery store in Melbourne 2 hours away and wasn’t sure the name so she didn’t pick them. If they were from that store then we would have even bigger ramifications if it was true as everyone who bought mushrooms there would be at risk of death. Yet no other deaths. She couldn’t name the store either
@spearsinspines Жыл бұрын
Being familiar with those mushrooms I can say theres really no way they were bought at a store. The likelihood that a producer and packager managed to get Amanitas in just her package and no one else's is really zero. She also seems a bit off and not terribly bright.
@propheteyebert7063 Жыл бұрын
What about food tampering? Some sicko could have bought the pack, inserted some poison, and then put it back on the shelf. If nothing else, it is enough to cast reasonable doubt in a court case.
@spearsinspines Жыл бұрын
Possible 🤷♀@@propheteyebert7063
@Noname-iz9uo Жыл бұрын
@@propheteyebert7063show supporting evidence that she bought the mushrooms from the store. Conspiracy theories are not grounds for reasonable doubt.
@journeymantraveller3338 Жыл бұрын
@@propheteyebert7063 Worth a shot as the defence.
@PrecociousFriand Жыл бұрын
@@propheteyebert7063 Food tampering is absolutely a theory I've mentioned. Personally I believe she's guilty AF but we have to keep an open mind to all possibilities and product terrorism is definitely one. Not like it's the first time it's happened in Australia let alone anywhere else.
@xxx7917 Жыл бұрын
I actually live in the area and still don't know what is going on . I'll just say this Erin keeps changing her story to fit her narrative
@tabithamew Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande is the first person with a North American accent who I've ever heard pronounce the word 'Melbourne' correctly 👏👏👏 🎉🎉🎉
@ceilconstante640 Жыл бұрын
I've watched enough Police interrogations to notice the guilty conveniently forget some details and change their stories to try and fit a narrative. A skilled Detective will find the truth.
@jonanon8193 Жыл бұрын
It's also true that innocent people change their narrative to suit what they're being told by the police (even when the police are lying). Memory is not "Fixed" it is reconstructed with each telling. An interrogator who doesn't understand this (ie most police) can get someone to re-write their memory - without realising it. For a gold example of this phenomenon look at the "mousetrap" experiment where kids who have never had their fingers caught in a mousetrap explain in detail how it happened after just a few careful formed question sessions. This has frightening implications for law enforcement, especially if you are the suspect.
@albertafarmer8638 Жыл бұрын
So true.
@majorpwner241 Жыл бұрын
Oh she's so guilty... they're just waiting to have enough evidence to nail her.
@ceilconstante640 Жыл бұрын
@HardCandy-fd4vz There is evidence and her story changed. Plus, if the mushrooms were bought at an Asian grocery as she claimed many more people would have gotten sick and died and there'd be warnings posted. Investigation still pending.
@vicvega3614 Жыл бұрын
@HardCandy-fd4vzwell her phone should have some evidence like maybe gps of her in the woods picking mushrooms. But maybe shes smarter then most murderers and didn't bring her phone, if she didnt then it will be hard to charge her
@rosemadder5547 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, just the fact that she isn't trying to find the store is enough for me. How do you just not know lol that's completely ridiculous.
@mrazik131 Жыл бұрын
also it is not like in small town there is so MANY stores....
@joannemurdock7899 Жыл бұрын
@@mrazik131no , she lives in a small town 😮
@It-is-me...Melsie Жыл бұрын
@@joannemurdock7899 She reckons she went to the city to buy the offending mushrooms, but that's still no reason not to remember. When I go to the city I don't forget what shops I've been to. In fact for people like me and her who live out of the city it would actually be easier to remember where you purchased goods from because you don't go in every day or every week.
@joannemurdock7899 Жыл бұрын
@@It-is-me...Melsie it was mentioned the city us a 2 hour drive? Hmmmm
@user-hq6sf7hl4v Жыл бұрын
11 asian grocery stores near her @@mrazik131
@pandamonium450610 ай бұрын
You’ve outdone yourself this time, Dr. Grande!
@anthony.36149 ай бұрын
ERIN PATTERSON ARRESTED AT HER HOME AND CHARGED WITH MURDER THIS EVENING, Thursday 2 November 2023.
@lindytrezise372 Жыл бұрын
I’m in Victoria and her story about buying the mushrooms from a store is absolute BS we have very strict rules regarding mushroom growers in Australia and it is impossible for the store to have had those mushrooms, Erin best come clean cause it’s not looking good for her at all
@sinsinnomore5555 Жыл бұрын
Ya think?!
@lindytrezise372 Жыл бұрын
Smartarse
@jaybee608 Жыл бұрын
You right! She best come clean!
@Miawallce80 Жыл бұрын
I never jump to conclusions in crime cases until there are arrests. But as soon as I saw her first interview I knew she had something to do with it!...and Everytime she makes another statement it gets more strange. Wow!! Extremely disturbing
@spinetingler-007 Жыл бұрын
We should just do away with trials and juries and have you evaluate each case.
@bobjones4469 Жыл бұрын
I never jump to conclusions until I see the evidence and the counter-evidence and both sides make their case in the court. And even then I could still be wrong cuz it's possible there's more that I don't know.
@sirrenn1936 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, the police and media can make ur two yr old look guilty and people will believe it.
@nrgbunni. Жыл бұрын
It's a bit hard not to believe she's guilty after seeing the death wall.
@normhiesgen8881 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you don't jump to conclusions......BUT
@69adrummer11 ай бұрын
Dude, I don't know how I found your channel but I am loving your wit, humor, analysis, insight and just plain awesomeness!! haha
@shimonnay24879 ай бұрын
How was Erin Patterson able to convince the guests to trustingly eat her food? Some people here in such a situation would have refused to eat the meal....
@maxwells2602 Жыл бұрын
If she mistakenly used the poisonous mushrooms, and if she then went to seek early medical treatment to protect her liver, why did she not let the others know to also seek early treatment? And if the mushrooms were labelled, and if she labelled them, how could she make such a mistake? It is highly improbable that those mushrooms were sold in a grocery store.
@mjremy2605 Жыл бұрын
A very good point. She went to hospital 2 days later and they gave her liver protecting drugs. How did they know what drugs to give her if she did not tell them it was mushrooms? And she did not warn the others???!!!! Guilty as hell.
@appylover5283 Жыл бұрын
She probably faked her illness by taking lots of laxatives that would certainly give her stomach cramps and diarrhoea
@SKY031 Жыл бұрын
@@mjremy2605 they treated her for mushroom poisoning, because they'd had 4 cases earlier in the week.
@mjremy2605 Жыл бұрын
@@SKY031 OK, that is true. I was wrong. But they went the day after and she went a day after they did, not the same time. So another red flag. Poison works the same way in everyone.
@JunkBondTrader11 ай бұрын
sold in a grocery store she doesn't remember the name or location of apparently. The name, ok maybe you forget, but there's no fucking way she forgets the location so bad, she can't deduce which Asian supermarket it was... Like how many are there in that area? Pull up a list of them, show her the addresses and say which one was it? If she can't remember that, there's something seriously wrong with her memory. Just pull up her GPS data from her phone. Im sure the police obviously already know all this, its just frustrating not having any details of their investigation.
@judithmargret5972 Жыл бұрын
She says she picked the mushrooms out for her children the next day. The poison would be through the food, it wouldn't have stayed in the mushrooms after cooking and standing overnight. I would like to know more about her visit to the hospital, did she fake being poisoned, or did she have a small taste to make it seem she was a victim. This is just like an Agatha Christie movie, and if she is innocent I feel sorry for her. Whatever, hopefully the police will get to the bottom of this.
@Rubiks.Cube89 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy... She is so, so guilty 🤦🏼♀️ Lock her up and throw away the key. She is dangerous and needs to be jailed for three life sentences, with no parole ever.
@streaming53329 ай бұрын
Big news here in Australia Erin Patterson is charged with murder. I'm not sure why it's hard to talk about this case with a straight face! In any case thanks for covering Aussie crime.. we get so little attention!
@dieselandlevimygoofyhuskie9420 Жыл бұрын
That woman is seriously emotionally immature and a narcissist.
@MrTripsJ Жыл бұрын
She should be arrested already
@keepawake3055 Жыл бұрын
The longer they wait the more she is incriminating herself with her admission of lying to the police, what else will she say about the incident? I think she will be arrested in time, the slow grind investigation and media attention will reveal more
@jomassey4207 Жыл бұрын
Narcissists can never accept responsibility and always play victim, by sobbing or becoming very nasty. This woman needs a psychological evaluation by professionals. I believe she did this out of spite. Her acting is so bad......but it is childlike, which narcissists are.
@damina324 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Now likely a Murderer
@peterkiedron8949 Жыл бұрын
She is a murderer and what personality disorder she has is totally irrelevant. Poisoning is the most premeditated murder and thus it used to carry mandatory death penalty.
@goofydog2 Жыл бұрын
If a store, of any kind was selling poison mushrooms, there would have been bigger outburst of death and sickness. Since that doesn't seem to have occurred, I would suggest her foraging expertise, and why she would pick a poison mushroom...
@staceyb3882 Жыл бұрын
Yes so true
@DeniseSullivan-yo7zs9 ай бұрын
Where's the laugh emoji when I need it? That title! 😂🤣 How do you keep a straight face Dr. Grande?
@honeybee1852 Жыл бұрын
I live only 15km from leongatha & am so shocked that this has happened
@Pattiepies55 Жыл бұрын
Australian here. Thank you very much for covering this tragedy Dr. Grande. Your pronounciatiom of Melbourne is perfectly OZ !!
@megaflamer Жыл бұрын
the insidious part of deathcap mushrooms is that by the time symptoms start showing it is already far, far too late to administer an antidote. It will already have done so much damage that recovery is incredibly unlikely. youd have to realize what you ate directly afterward to stand a chance
@wodongacitizen9624 Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis and your opinion is valued. thank you making this suspicious case make sense. It a very strange and shocking incident for Australia
@MrScandinavio Жыл бұрын
Gut feeling is that she is guilty AF, and subsequent information only adds to it.
@lisacolledge7624 Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande.....man, you are ON THE ball.! I'm an Aussie, and I only read the update in my news feed this morning. You're fabulous 👌
@aflaz171 Жыл бұрын
You don't need to announce you're an aussie, no one cares!
@macca777 Жыл бұрын
I'm waiting to see what he thinks of the drawings in the other house. Bunny boiler comes to mind.
@LudmilaT. Жыл бұрын
When I would study for a test back when I went to school, I would often remember where on the page the information I need was located and which page it was (not number but relative to the studied content), while I wouldn't remember the information itself. So I do believe it's possible to remember random details like handwritten label but not the location. However in this case it seems a lot more likely that Erin cannot remember the location of the store simply because it doesn't exist.
@markusgorelli5278 Жыл бұрын
I am like that too. I know where the information is located (relatively). And whether it is a right hand page or left hand. I just can't remember what it is. Very aggravating. lol. If she is a forager and interested in mushrooms - I can see her browsing Asian and other stores looking at their selections. She must therefore have a map in her mind of which asian stores have the best selections and which are not worth visiting. So it would make more sense to say that she doesn't know *which* one she bought it at - versus not knowing at all. She should have been able to provide a list of her favorite places for the investigators to check.
@azzv.kuskatan Жыл бұрын
Actively learning something is not the same as reading something in passing
@LoralRose11 ай бұрын
While it seems odd that she wouldn't remember where the store was, comparing it to the label makes no sense to me. She claims to have bought the mushrooms months ago, but presumably would have seen the label on the package the day she cooked them. So the handwritten label would be very fresh in her mind while the store itself might not.
@JunkBondTrader11 ай бұрын
Also how could you forget the location of a store you went to SO badly that you can't deduce which one it was by looking at all the Asian supermarkets in the area and just narrow it down to which one it was? Any adult with a normal brain should easily be able to do this. Also her phone, if her GPS is on, which most people leave it on, her location data is easy to pull up... Anyway, I'm sure the police are way ahead of us lolm, its just annoying having no details of their investigation.
@judithnelson122811 ай бұрын
Unless it is a major city, in Australia, there are generally only one or two Asian supermarkets in some of the bigger towns. Not hard to track down any in the area. If they have made any identification mistakes( which I think is unlikely), surely other custoners would be suffering as well.
@suewalsh421611 ай бұрын
Latest news is she disposed of the food dehydrator on the morning of the luncheon. A painter came forward with insane ramblings and writings behind a kitchen door he was asked to cover up on Erin's previous property. He took photos which have been given to the police. 40 years have passed since the mishandling of Azaria, a lot was learned and has been changed now.
@RationalGaze216 Жыл бұрын
If you cooked beef wellington with toxic mushrooms, but scraped the mushrooms off before eating it, would that prevent you from getting sick, or would the mushroom toxins already be mixed into the beef and sauce?
@dp7933 Жыл бұрын
I think her biggest mistake was claiming that she bought the mushrooms. That automatically creates witnesses against her. I don't know how it is in Australia, but in many states in the US, selling wild-gathered mushrooms must have the person who collected the mushrooms (who must be a certified mushroom expert), where, and when they were collected. If Erin is really a mushroom collecting expert, there is no excuse for her accidentally killing people with aminitas-- they are very distinctive and pretty much the first thing you learn when studying mushroom collection-- because they are fantastically fatal.
@australien661111 ай бұрын
We have very strict public food health regulations here in Australia. There is no way she bought them from a shop