Sony Has a Spider-Man Problem

[@anthonybooyay]

I think you mean Spider-Man has a Sony problem

[@TheDragonTrainer1019]

Ooooooh that's a good one😮 😅 hahaha and I guess that's true

[@suprballs]

I was coming to the comments to say this myself.

[@Magdalena8008s]

I mean, yeah. Touche.

[@mo17]

True!!!!

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Spiderman doesn't own Sony

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Sony: Let's make Spider-Man movies with barely any villains Also Sony: Let's make Spider-Man villain movies... without Spider-Man!

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@TylerSane5]

In my opinion Sony's venom was written way better then the MCUs spiderman I know it's a hot take but If you're really into Spider-Man you know Tom Holland's Spider-Man is missing so many key things that a spiderman needs I hated iron man mentoring him that stole our chance to see a friendly neighbourhood spiderman.. that had to literally force it into the end of the last movie! I think the first Insomniacs Spider-Man gets the character very well tho not so much the second game.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

@@TylerSane5 agreed!❤️

[@stonecold3697]

@@TylerSane5 Take hotter than the sun.. Venom is not better than Tom's Spider-Man movies. You CAN'T have Venom without Peter.

[@mikeexits]

​@@TylerSane5I think Homecoming was alright, and Far From Home was forgettable and mediocre marvel tripe. But No Way Home made his character arc a lot more Spider-Man-esque, and despite all the contrivances they did a pretty good job with that. I don't think it's worse than Venom especially with NWH added to the mix. Let's just hope Madame Web isn't a sign for future things to come...

[@radtech1976]

Sony should have stopped trying to make a Spider-Man-less, Spider-Man universe after the success of the first venom movie and instead focused on making a venom-verse that they could eventually bring spider man into

[@poeter14]

They could have tied Madame Web to Venom but they clearly wanted to set it up for the MCU

[@TheJusDon]

Could’ve used Andrew Garfield as their Spider-Man

[@louisinese]

@@TheJusDon It’s wild that they didn’t use him

[@louisinese]

@@poeter14Exactly that would have been a way to tie things together and make sense

[@Kevintendo]

@@louisineseI don’t think anyone considered that an option until No Way Home

[@meaguy3216]

Venom cannot hop between universes whenever he wants to...he moved to (and then left) the MCU due to the spell in Spider-Man: No Way Home.

[@veedubgeezer]

Why was he transported there? The only way would be if Venom from Spider-man 3 was cannon to the Venom films.

[@daggern15]

@@veedubgeezer It's a bit hand-wavy but I think it gels better than making SM3 canon to Venom, but what if it's because he _will_ know Spider-Man instead of does? After all, we saw (the silhouettes of) many villains who know one Spider-Man or another in No Way Home that are theoretically attached to Spider-Mans we don't know.. That or something as dumb as all Venoms are attached to each other via the multi-verse as much as the different Peters were connected to each other and we just so happen to have got that one instead of Topher Grace despite getting more than half of Tobey McGuire's rogues' gallery.

[@Skuldug]

It's because the symbiotes hivemind spans the multiverse not just venom

[@mynameisbuho]

​@@veedubgeezer The spell in NWH that was cast made everyone in the entire multiverse who knows Spider-Man, come to that universe. Strange stopped the spell but a few slipped in. Venom was one of them, but that venom doesn't know Spider-Man. How does that work? Well the symbiotes have a multIversal hive mind. So venom recognized Spider-Man from other Venom encounters including Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man.

[@ktbmk]

@@mynameisbuho yeah every symbiotes knows everything that other symbiotes in the multiverse does

[@hippyvan]

You skipped from 94 to 99. You forgot about Blade. BLADE was the film that kept Marvel from obscurity, and let the industry know they could sell comic book characters as interesting and entertaining in film. Who's the editor over there at Nerdist?

[@nichhustler9313]

The best financial move Sony could make, instead of losing money on these awful movies, is just give Marvel back the reigns, take a perminent percentage cut on Spidey related films, and an agreement to produce Spider-man related films at a certain cadence. Sony continues with animation and solo Spidey games. It literally couldn't get better than that.

[@ArmyWolves]

True... Plus Sony could also negotiate for say... MARVEL to have rights to box office earnings and merchandise while Sony owns rights to DVDs and streaming after theatrical release... But both studios are too greedy at the moment... MARVEL would rather search for an unknown intellectual property and develop that

[@benmalsky9834]

Hey, even if they make critically panned movies, I don’t mind. If you don’t like them, that’s in you.

[@kylebwg2151]

i hope its not in me 😳​@benmalsky9834

[@TheJusDon]

I don’t want Disney to own Spider-Man ..

[@benmalsky9834]

@@TheJusDon I do

[@QuestionMan]

Blade was not a juggernaut because it was not a movie you could take your families to see. It was a quality film and is not a family-friendly property to be sure; but, all other things being equal, limited its success in a way Spider-Man didn't have to worry about.

[@PrsnmanGaming]

Quality...except that weird CG blood that was rough looking even for the time, haha

[@shush2000]

"This isn't Spider-Manchester By The Sea" is a brilliant line and a perfect encapsulation of what's wrong with the Amazing's portrayal of Peter and Spidey (no shade on Andrew Garfield, he followed the instruction he was given in terms of character).

[@dylansearcy3966]

5:22 venom was created in the 80s not 90s

[@Quint0321]

Nerdist: you seem to be pulling back on the videos. We want more!!

[@timcarder2170]

The joker movie, is Joker, in name only. It's a mental health problem movie...not an origin flick. It has no explanations for how the lead(Arther Fleck) gets his fighting skills in hand to hand combat, military tactics, weaponry use, explosives and/or demolitions abilities, and advanced chemistry/biology knowledge, to become the Joker we all recognize? Plus the characters age, is, appearancewise, already well into middle aged. (Pheonix was 44..Though his character was supposedly in his early 30s)

[@williamfreeman6935]

💯 Yup. He wasn't a brilliant psycho at all. Just a psycho.

[@Subject_Keter]

People like Movie Thanos despite the fact his dumb actions would kill easy 80% of life in the universe.

[@dewolfeFSP]

Give them a movie or two to build a fallen world with several villains and then watch the Batman movie of a psycho killer eliminating these poor mental cases.

[@Realcordy]

@@Subject_Keter50% ❤

[@samanthac.349]

There’s also the cult of personality built up around a mentally ill person at the end of Joker. That can’t be weaponized, right?

[@jerrywemhoff]

TASM2 Electro looks almost EXACTLY like Electro from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon

[@greyhoundverona]

Side note: Venom was an 80s character, not a 90s character. First appeared in '88.

[@benmalsky9834]

I don’t care what anyone says about the Amazing Spider-man movies, I’m glad history turned out the way it did.

[@mattattack03]

If you need a Spider-Man and you don't want to confuse with the marvel cinematic universe just do a live-action Miles Morales problem solved.

[@TylerSane5]

Feel like they butchered mcu spiderman to be honest he was way to all over the place and he was forced into all these big events right away which isn't really Spider-Man at least I see spiderman as a lower level hero who can still hang with the best of them when he has to but for the most part it should be smaller stories like the first mcu spiderman that one is actually good!.

[@onatics]

@@TylerSane5 The only real spiderman i see is the mcu. Why do you think that is.

[@benmalsky9834]

No matter how much anyone calls it a “mess”, I love Spider-Man 3 just the way it is.

[@pontoppidan123]

I just want more Spider-Man. I don't care about any of the reasons why we can't have more Spider-Man.

[@mcwolfson2265]

I agree with everything, but after playing Insomniac's game, I have to admit that I'd be interested in seeing a Tombstone horror movie now that I've heard the idea at all.

[@rmannayr2129]

THE SONY SPIDER MAN UNIVERSE IS A MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jean-paulmita2957]

Couldn’t they just use a Spider-Gwen or Miles Morales? Seems like they just need a different hero to introduce the villains-could easily slip in some new heroes later…. Spider-Pig VS Morbius 2015, it’s morb-oinking time!!!

[@thomasbennett0]

Sony rereleased Morbius in cinemas to make money and it bombed worse than the first time. Also Sony's in talks about making Morbius 2.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@zerumsparklez9956]

I get roasted to hell and back every time I say this, but I liked Morbius.

[@7tardis7]

A Tombstone mobster movie could work if done right... There are some great issues to work off of.

[@ieyke]

The only way to solve this is for Disney to just fork over the money to get the Spider-Man rights back. And that needs to happen ASAP.

[@cthulhutheendless1587]

You don’t think they’ve been wanting to do that for the past 20 years??? Sony won’t play ball. Spider-Man is their cash cow and as long as they keep making a Morbius every couple years, they get to keep him forever

[@ieyke]

@@cthulhutheendless1587 LOL No. Marvel could EASILY buy back the Spider-Man rights IF they really wanted to. IF they were willing to pay the price, which they can EASILY afford. Disney could buy Sony Pictures as a whole. Spider-Man's rights are peanuts in comparison. Spider-Man is NOT Sony's cash cow. They're BARELY making money with it. AND the only success they have with live-action Spider-Man is in movies that Disney makes FOR Sony. So even Sony's rare successes with Spider-Mans are in name only. Without Disney doing the work for them, Sony is FUCKED. The problem is that Sony Pictures is a failing studio that keeps nearly getting shut down and sold off by Sony, and Spider-Man is one of the only things they have going for them. It's basically their ONLY bargaining chip giving them any sort of power at all. The problem is that Disney CAN buy back the Spider-Man rights, but they just refuse to pay as much as Sony wants for it. Sony wants more than the rights are worth, BECAUSE it's the only real power Sony Pictures has left, even though the rights themselves aren't worth all that much. So Sony keeps making more shitty movies, which makes the Spider-Man rights worth less and less and less and less every time. If/when Sony Pictures shuts down or gets sold off, Disney automatically gets the Spider-Man rights back for free. So Disney is fine with just waiting to see if Sony Pictures collapses or to see them drive the value of the Spider-Man rights completely into the ground. Sony is playing a losing game and are thus far caught in a death spiral. BUT, Sony MAY have finally figured out a path to success moving forward. Maybe. Which means Disney needs to reevaluate their stance on not buying back the Spider-Man rights. Disney's plan of just letting Sony hilariously make a mess and shit all over themselves has been really effective so far, but now it's really time to just bite the bullet and buy back the rights.

[@laceisaverb]

@@cthulhutheendless1587 But I think if Venom 3 bombs as badly as Madame Webb and Morbius, there's a chance Sony will come to the table, because at this point they're sinking hundreds of millions into movies just to hold onto the rights, at a certain point the risk will outweigh the rewards. Or the investment won't be worth the profit margins, in other words.

[@NP31330]

Sony needs to keep Spiderman. Let this current deal finish and just bring Spidey back in his own movie world with miles and others. Do a Spider-Geddon movie. Disney/MCU is falling apart. Keep spidey away from it.

[@ieyke]

@@NP31330 Every word you said is wrong. Completely and embarrassingly wrong.

[@johnwilbur3050]

Sony should just stick to Spider-Verse movies

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

Y’know, if Sony wants to make more Spider-Man movies, they could use one of the hundred other spider-based heroes in the multiverse. It worked for Miles Morales and I know I’d watch a solo movie starring Mayday Parker, Miguel O’Hara, Jessica Drew, or heck, Japanese Spidey! LET’S BRING BACK LEOPARDON! Or they could make a Spectacular Spider-Man movie to give that show SOME finality.

[@tonycumberbatch7651]

Probably the best review of the problems with Sony and their Spider-Verse. Thank you. 10/10.

[@MightiestBeard]

Sony unfortunately has no reason to release their death grip on these rights. They will keep making movies so infamously bad that enough people will watch them to laugh at them and get Sony back to even, strictly to stop the rights from reverting back to Disney. The profit from the MCU licensing is far too high for them to let go of it. They'll break even spending 300m to make three shitty movies, and then make 500m easy profit when Disney decides they need another Spidey flick. It's a shitty situation that I wish Sony would just give up on or Disney would pay out, but neither seem willing to do so. That said, I actually do really like Venom Let There Be Carnage. It seems very self aware and as such it's so silly and fast paced that it's never boring, which was Madame Web's biggest sin.

[@NoWay1969]

I want Marvel Team-Up. I'm kind of sick of continuity. I'd really like to see Sony use Toby or Andrew in a team-up with some of the anti-heroes or to borrow some of the Marvel characters that aren't going to be used in a movie and make some out-of-continuity team-up movies. Spider-Man/Venom, Spider-Man/Morbius, Spider-Man/Punisher, Spider-Man/Daredevil. All of those would be great. They would have to be competently done, but Sony has done that in the past. Marvel's never going to do live-action Spider-Gwen, Sony could do that or Miles. I just have no interest in Spider-Man movies with no Spider-Man like they've been doing.

[@OdeBroham]

can we get a video on how we can get the rights to go back to Marvel?

[@colin_in_sick]

Disney would have to buy the movie rights back permanently for upwards of 2 BILLION(!) dollars.

[@KevBago]

Would Sony be able to get the rights for Silk or Spider-Gwen? I mean that's seems like a half decent approach without banking soley on a Peter Parker but still giving that spidey action people crave.

[@richardabia9735]

I wonder if you change your channel logo to fit Christmas season . And all other holidays.

[@AdamYJ]

Okay, hear me out: Prowler solo movie where the Hobie Brown Prowler fights the Aaron Davis Prowler. Yeah. I got nothing.

[@darkmyro]

Better idea: prowler movie, that introduces live action miles Morales. So the plot is kinda the movie steel except a little edgier. So he's a weapon developer and engineer, he gets screwed over by his boss, and left for dead. His brother, who was an engineer back in the day too, owns a junk yard and they build a prowler suit out of stuff in the junk yard to fight the big corporate bad guy. Miles is there as sort of a sidekick helping his dad with the junk yard and learns about the plot and wants to help out. Big fight happens, and the prowler wins the day and then in the sequel you introduce miles.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Spider-Man has a sony problem

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@benmalsky9834]

@@Zombiesnyder13Don’t

[@benmalsky9834]

@@Zombiesnyder13Don’t blame ANYONE!

[@thomasbennett0]

What's next a movie about The Wall?

[@LowellLucasJr.]

The Wall? Or the The Wall Universe?!😂

[@thomasbennett0]

@@LowellLucasJr. The Wall as in the Spiderman villain.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

@@thomasbennett0 I know I was saying it as a joke. I was going with the gag. 😂

[@bowser3017]

Wall level

[@jferares]

The other interesting thing feeding into this is Sony can't do the themeparks and rides like Disney can. Go to Avengers campus in Disneyland. It's half Spiderman themed stuff. That all drives continued popularity of that version of the character.

[@sinzear]

The character who almost killed the comic back in the 90’s could potentially stand on its own as a character in a new spider man movie featuring Ben Riley without missing out on banking on a mcu Spider-Man deal with Peter Parker. You can make his story arc more interesting and more grittier like what dc has done for the joker.

[@vileforfeit]

L Train? No, that’s a R train going to Bay Ridge.

[@4tdaz]

The problem with Spiderman 3 was the first two films. You setup a bunch of plot tensions that paid off at the end of 2. There was no point to 3. Peter had learned his lesson and got the girl and the city was validating his sacrifice. The only place to go was down. Then they tried to compress waaaaaaay too much development into film crowded with characters. I called the failure before I saw the first preview.

[@Teebone-lw6yb]

I completely forgot Joey Diaz was in Spider-Man 2

[@anthonyd_heat]

Excellent breakdown. Thanks for this

[@metalspinda9594]

I say Sony should just OWN their Spidey mess and soft-reboot Peter Parker/Spiderman into a detective Noir type bit with "Spiderman Identity Crisis". That's even a part of the comics where he fights the Kingpin like the cartoons. Don't sit on this, Sony!

[@Minochu96Official]

Sony has so many Spider-people to use, they can use Miguel, they can use a Spider-Woman they have so many choices for Spider-People to use that's not Peter or Miles, yet they don't use them also Spider-Man's movie rights need to seriously go back to Marvel, that's where he belongs and I want more spider-people in the mcu, like Miles or Spider-Gwen Venom is the only decent but even he should be in the mcu and would be better with Spider-Man, they also didn't do Carnage very well, his movie should've been rated higher considdering how brutal this character can be (also I really hope Sony isn't retconning the Venom symbiote in the mcu) when the 3rd Venom movie is out no one is going to care about Sony's Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man

[@peterparker9214]

When Spider-Man 3 came out it was not it…but I gotta say, it has aged like fine wine. I’ve really come to appreciate the story Raimi put together despite not knowing venom. If you can get over how terribly Venom was done in this movie, the story is wrapped up quite well. Honestly I find myself re watching Spider-Man 3 more than the others.

[@nickslinger7250]

Sony have done well with other aspects of Spider-Man, the animated movie and games, which have done well for them to not lose the rights completely… maybe the can keep the animated rights and video game rights and sell the rest to marvel studios…

[@Scott-wq5lk]

I fucking love your Batman Beyond t-shirt. My favorite superhero show in high school and college days

[@SnoopCatts]

100 BIGGEST MISTAKE Sony is making with the Spider-Man franchise...... not using THE CHAMELEON. I don't understand how they're missing this!🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾 The character is genius, detective based, low cgi, low-budget but can be the CLEAR Nemesis to Spiderman as he was FROM THE BEGINNING, as Joker is to Batman.

[@mattprosser7924]

From a money perspective, sonys best move would be not to license out rights to spiderman for secret wars but only offer to sell the entire franchise

[@DayanKnite]

They could probably do a Ben Reilly trilogy. 1st Movie: Scarlet Spider: A retelling of Ben being dumped in the smoke stack, 5 lost years, and then meeting Peter as the Scarlet Spider, Kaine is the villain. 2nd: Sensational Spider-man, Peter retires at the beginning to have a normal life with MJ, the Jackal is the villain. 3rd Spectacular Spider-men, Ben is this universe's main Spider-man, and he teams up with and trains this universe's Miles Morales, Hobgoblin is the villain. Or just do Spider-Man 2099, the audience knows who he is now.

[@baconandbeats]

Joker was just Taxi Driver in Clown makeup

[@shoresean1237]

I'll wait to judge until after the Cardiac Versus Vermin trilogy - I hear Kangaroo is the mastermind. Oh, wow - does Sony own the rights to the villains from the Electric Company skits? Bookworm vs. Can Crusher! Or the Amazing Friends era? Video-Man vs. Arachnoid! The possibilities are endless - and more's the pity.

[@AutZentus]

I think sony needs to give up the rights to spider-man. They don't know what they're doing with him anymore. Plus sony has always sucked with sony with a few exceptions.

[@doctorbashir3497]

Make a great heist movie a la oceans 11 with black cat. But it has to take itself seriously. Make a mercenary for hire Ronin movie with silver sable where everyone dies but her and whoever hired her. Take it seriously. The selling at the end should be don’t F with sable and never hire a mercenary. Make an r rated “the boys” like serial killer noir with sin eater. Set it during the period most heroes are off world during secret wars ,assuming they are taken off world. Make a thriller in vein of se7en. The baddie is morlun. But the detective finds only grizzly scenes. We don’t learn they are in different universes until the very end as a twist. We don’t learn the are spider variants until the end as well. Lots of material. Just need storytelling courage.

[@shayneoneill1506]

While it wasn't a perfect "art" cape film (I'd argue Logan was the perfect "art" cape film) I did rather like Joker. There was some substance to that thing that I'm very curious to see if the followup will be able to pull it off (I'm not opposed to the recasting of Harley Quinn. Margot Robbie might be the cannonical HQ, but these are obviously films that have a different continuity to the DCU mainline, and thats fine. Batman and Joker function more as mythological characters than canonical characters so its all good)

[@TheSteveStrom]

Kudos for Spider Man-chester by the sea. Sure I groaned, but I also applaud you.

[@Mike.Knight69]

Sony should sell Spider-Man to someone else, these venoms movies had promise but they’re kinda a mess now along with morbin morbeus and the madam Webb. Seems like they don’t know what to do with a spiderverse

[@chillwaffle2033]

Nation couldn't get the Daleks... off the ground? That wouldn't happen until what? 2006? 2007? "Elevate!"

[@icecreamhero2375]

How I would fix tge Spiderman franchise. 1) Make a new Spiderman that isn't Tom Holland. He is just from another universe. 2) Make a bunch of movies about that Spiderman like he is Indiana Jones, 3) Make a live action Miles Morales Movie, 4) Make a live action Spider Gwen movie. This Spider Gwen would exist in the same universe as Miles and Peter. 4) I would make it very clear in those movies that they aren't attached to the MCU at all and are in an alternate universe rather than keeping it vauge like they currently are nowadays.

[@venomavenger8920]

I don't agree with why we can't have 2 different Spidermans in different universes. We are now about to have 2 different batmans in separate universes with Pattinson being one and James guns batman. Some of the spidy villains do have a rich enough origin or story lines to carry their own movies its just Sony's incompetence preventing this from happening. Sony's biggest problem is trying to make money quick over quality. Even with Disney not having a poor run at the moment they know having Spiderman mix with other characters is a cash cow. It's good they have allowed Spiderman to join the MCU however if they put more thought and time and effort in getting to know the source material could very well make some movie magic. Even mix several different story lines could work. For their own Avengers style team up movie you could have the spider-family vs a multiversal sinister six.

[@master2uall88]

I still think that the anti-hero Kraven the Hunter movie is going to be good because it looks hardcore rated R extremely violent and the actor playing craving the Hunter is the same actor who played the Speedster in the MCU therefore he gets some Redemption and the trailer looks fired home so I'm actually really really pumped to see craving the Hunter rated R on the big screen

[@altlover85]

I remember thinking maybe they were going to do something with Alistair Smyrhe.

[@shazzbutter]

"Spider-Manchester By The Sea" : )

[@javi840]

This was an amazing breakdown thank you!

[@danilejai7801]

I loved Supergirl as a kid ! I would watch it every time it came on tv…

[@BigSunn0]

Why do such incompetent people have jobs in such high positions???

[@therealjohnsquad]

Actually they symbiote suit was 1984 and Venom was 1988. Not the 90's.

[@savannawind]

Ya… Toby macguire back as Spider-Man pretty obvious solution so it doesn’t conflict with the universes

[@alittlewasted3869]

Blade Trinity is a masterpiece! The actors in that beautiful film alone are worth the watch.

[@neo10]

Now…to be fair and I hate to say this..I actually think if done right and on a small Budget a Tomb Stone movie could work.

[@PhillipLemmon]

Thank you for the timeline of spider-man... But.... There is no problem...... (venom's voice) that WE can see.... (snarl)

[@biguy617]

The problem is with Avi Arad. He is the biggest interference with Spider-Man

[@nathanpayne5358]

Spider-Man 2 is one of my all time favorites. Absolute perfection

[@RP342MMMT]

Here’s an idea: make a new hero that nots spyderman that can fight venom, morbious, and the others

[@DAFascend]

Sony has a Spidey Problem: *Uses thumbnail of Marvel's Spiderman... Had a 2/3 chance of getting it right.... And im gone...

[@FriendoftheJ]

came for the info, suffered through the delivery

[@SunnyM360]

When the whole Sony Marvel/disney debacle was happening. I reached out to Tom Holland and told him advocate for him to stay in that universe and have a multiverse of spidermen. Sony can still produce their own Spiderman movies, while he stays in the MCU. Soon after that’s the game plan they followed. May I get my royalty check for that…😂

[@surferdude4487]

Hey! That's an insult to the Super Girl film. Yes, it was pretty cheezy, but I loved it.

[@dbiedler]

Thank you.

[@playingindies6730]

Sony butchered the Venom story unfortunately

[@genkaiba15]

If they hadn't made the Prowler go full villain, they could have used him, possibly. A hard sell for sure, but not impossible. He was kind of like Spidey's version of what Falcon is to Cap for a while. Prowler v Morbius or Kraven could have been good. Something mostly grounded with a light splash of fantastical. ...wait a sec. Who has the rights to The New Warriors? 😂

[@TerranIV]

There must be some weird stuff in whatever agreement Sony made with Marvel that they can't make a Spider-woman movie. If not, why the hell have they not made a Spider-woman movie?!? My favorite Spider-woman is May "Mayday" Parker. She could be Toby McGuire's kid in a sequel to the Rami Spider-movies. Fans would go CRAZY for something like that! Sony knows this, which is why they tried to catfish us with the Spider-women shots in the Madam Web trailers. There is ZERO reason why Sony wouldn't do this, other than some weird contract issue (or that Sony executives and producers are incompetent fools).

[@b1gg0at]

Correction. Black Panther was introduced in cap Winter Soldier! Dont forget ! Just watch it you will know im right. Hell fast forward if you must. But Black Panther was in a movie before Civil War!

[@Chino-Kafu]

I mean in a way you were wrong. Batman was in the joker movie just not in suit or age.

[@sergiovazquez1577]

Gwen Stacy in spider man 3 had that gyat 😂

[@airem5861]

Sony keeps making this movies to no loose the rights for Spider-Man. I remember watching Spider-Man 1 on cinemas and to this day I like more TAS1 I cant dtand Green Goblins Power Ranger suit but Spider-man 2 is a masterpiece for me. My favorite spidey movie it is Homecoming because I love the villain and for the first time ever in a spidey movie I get to see Spider-Man chanhing the spider web cartridges, small detail but for me it was worth it.

[@chillwaffle2033]

I picture Sony as being in one of those glass booths, with money blowing around them, and they're trying to grab whatever they can.

[@thepistolguy859]

Yeah the problem is they have spiderman and he should be in the mcu and all the characters. Stop going to see the venom amd morbious amd madam web movies so they sell the rights back to marvel.

[@craigperrott718]

Clear as mud! Thanks Sony. 👍

[@sdaniels7114]

Blade Trinity had a budding Deadpool and a vampire Pomeranian. I rest my case.

[@Priestradamus]

They should just make a Silk movie

[@solano_ink]

Why did it sound like my guy had a personal beef with the venom movies or the characters 😂

[@LakeLyfe315]

Damn dude, you graduated the year the first one came out? You're old! Oh wait... I graduated the year before it came out 😢

[@cjsayers3346]

We don't talk about what Sony did to carnage. They Murdered my Boy!

[@ShadowGamerAX]

Both mcu and sony are doing a pretty shitty job idk man comicbook movies are on its way out

[@cueman6]

There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with Helen Slater in that costume… not a thing… (what about the movie ?). What Mov… oh um.. well.. did ya see her in That Costume??? Cuz Yow!!

[@skyfire001]

Joker was only a passable movie because they took two Scorsese and stitched them together on a bankable method actor in Phoenix. Those films they ripped off by the way are The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver just in case anyone wants to take notes and fact check me on how much DNA those movies share. Also the production and director of the film basically drummed up a fake controversy about it being a movie "THE MAN DOESNT WANT YOU TO SEE!" Trying to make it seem edgy, taboo or transgressive. When really its not. Honestly the film is passable because they copied the homework of a good director and not enough people are media literate enough to notice how truly offensive it is for people struggling with mental health. Hell it even tries to make the same point as The Killing Joke comic that everyone is one bad day away from being just another Joker. But the thing is not even the comic made the point. Joker FAILED TO BREAK JIM GORDON! He failed to make another guy like him.

[@master2uall88]

I don't know why there is so much hate for Blade Trinity I thought that movie was kick ass and I like that they brought in the original Dracula and he was Kick-Ass too. The movie was awesome I said before I don't understand or get why people don't like it

[@redvenomweb]

I watched this video to the end just to see if the word "Spider-Verse" was going to be mentioned. Despite a small clip of ITSV footage, it was not. Feels like a notable omission; almost intentional, even.

[@campbell412]

What's your point?

[@redvenomweb]

@@campbell412 The Spider-Verse movies seem like an incredibly relevant part of Sony's Spider-Man strategy, yet this video basically doesn't address them at all.

[@campbell412]

@@redvenomweb obviously it's a video concerning the villain led movies of the Sony marvel universe. I actually like the idea of a Joker style take on one of the Spider-Man villains.

[@redvenomweb]

@@campbell412 I think this video is about the whole Sony Spider-Man franchise, not just the villain movies. Villain movies aren't covered until 2/3rds of the way through the video.

[@jasonholman1011]

Does Sony have to make a Spider Man related movie to retain the rights? If they didn’t put a clause in the contract to protect them while Spider Man is leased to the MCU they deserve to lose him (well they deserve due to incompetence).

[@shadowspider9]

Here is what I don't understand. There are other Spiderman hero characters they have access to and could anchor the universe around. Why not center this universe around 'a' Spider-Woman? Or Miles? Or center it around Venom as a full hero considering his first movie actually made money.

[@benmalsky9834]

You’re completely forgetting about the Spider-Verse films.

[@campbell412]

Its all a moot point when you look at the video game revenue from the Spiderman license.