Death of a Game: Fortnite - Save the World

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#DOAG . Death of a Game is a series dedicated to uncovering the mysteries surrounding the death of a game or company. nerdSlayer defines the term "death" in the context of the show as either... 1. Literally dead. 2. Had a mass exodus of players and never recovered (expectations etc). 3. The company ceased to exist. We follow a timeline of events, to uncover clues concerning why a game or company doesn't do well, and attempt to put it all together at the end for a deduction explaining how or why the game failed based on the evidence gathered.
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[@Nightywubs]

That next case audio clip. I'm pretty sure I recognize it from the old Anarchy Online trailer. I loved that game. Hope you will cover it :)

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Congrats you are the first 🎉

[@eyoshinthemaximum]

nerdSlayer Studios N I C E

[@Alane314]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss so another Funcom game.

[@zombiexpanda]

I love Anarchy Online. Where my level 24 fixer buds at?

[@GripreaperOW]

We

[@MMDesignsAPB]

I am a Founder for Save the World. I wanted to play something chill and instead I helped create an abomination. I apologize to all of humanity, my intentions were pure.

[@Charlie-im6qo]

i made this :-)

[@jaysee2141]

It always starts with the best of intentions...

[@redkun5]

Your intentions were. Epic's and Tencent's were not.

[@Terx20]

Same. I'm glad I deleted it off my system and I shouldn't be saying that for something I had hope in.

[@ArturoTorres-sm6pu]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions :3

[@LokiFM]

I bought a founder for a PvE coop game... and my money went to a battleroyale.

[@radarphaser]

Lol

[@1366Erik]

Same here. Slightly pisses about it..

[@l8631]

Same, haven't bought anything epic since

[@suthiraksb]

I wait for free version since it annonuced. And when the news came, I already forgot about this mode.

[@KILLRAIN42]

Same.

[@Suchti0352]

Remember when they said that the succes of the Battle Royale mode will not influence the production of the main mode?

[@neros1277]

Once br got popular money did the talking

[@gyrozeppeli3438]

@@neros1277 yea i recently played save the world all they did was update graphics thats it lmao

[@maskedswagger7044]

@@gyrozeppeli3438 bro there were less Peaple playing it it was basically a failure so they gave up on it among us was also going to get shut down

[@ven2821]

@@maskedswagger7044 I have no clue what you just typed

[@maskedswagger7044]

@@ven2821 what I'm trying to say is if few players play your game or gamemode it is basically a failure and among us was going to shut down but then it blew up so it motivated them to continue to support it

[@Joe-qi1gc]

I played Save the World back in the day...let's just say it remains a pleasant, but distant, memory

[@metricmiler9940]

I still play it

[@flyyclix7029]

@@metricmiler9940 same

[@exoticbutters4212]

It’s far better than br

[@SCP--ck5ip]

Canny Valley had alot added to it but not much apart from that

[@ereder1476]

imagine spending years developping a game ... and then one guy come into the office and say : "screw that, let's just make a big height map with loot randomly springled in and throw a 100 player and let them duke it out"

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

You hate that guy, but then he also kind of made you a lot of money

[@sanitynotincluded4837]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss idk if you knew this or maybe this ended up not being true, but when epic employees working on fortnite BR came forward with the insane crunch culture surrounding that game, they mentioned how they were "taken from a project full of love and forced to work on a more successful game, working longer and more stressful hours yet still being paid the same" Imagine getting told you're working on the gamemode that took the parent game's name and having to work harder yet get paid the same.

[@borgkingerei6993]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss imagine thinking devs get higher wages because the game sells. They get their low wage and the rest goes to the CEO and execs

[@Disciple_JK]

"throw a 100 player"

[@TQsquad]

GENIUS

[@shawnthecloutmaster]

Remember how Save the World has been going FTP "soon" for over 3 years😂😂

[@commentingcommenter1230]

While this may be a niche reference, it reminds me of signs in the Mineplex lobby that said parkour would be coming soon. It never did, Fortnite will likely follow the same pattern.

[@PCFost]

They made a comment last year that STW is going to stay behind a pay wall.

[@HellbentYaYa]

Good times

[@prokilleridk5924]

What can’t afford 40$ ? Or even 20$ when it was half price

[@themilitiasbirthright8930]

They lied to us

[@thatonestormtrooper5422]

Came here to pay my respects. Fortnite’s concept struck me as an interesting idea and so I did what any other curious person would and pre ordered the founder’s edition of the game. I played it for months on end until I got bored of the rinse and repeat missions. Then, for no reason at all Battle Royale blew up. And at first, it was a good thing, until it wasn’t. A good and beloved game had to die so a fun, less fleshed out one could live.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

This is me, except I joined later, and never got bored of the game.

[@Q50Eric]

Did you get the renegade raider tho?

[@MichaelJ44]

Want to know why Fortnite really blew up? I remember. There was no other BR game on PS4, PS4 players were begging for Pubg to come out on PS4 but instead if was an Xbox exclusive. So once Fortnite came to PS4 gamers, it was a completely new genre, not to mention the rest of the shooting games that year were bad (correct me if I’m wrong, but that was the year Infinite warfare was released). Make no mistake, if PS4 had been given Pubg when its player base was at an all time high, I think it would’ve squashed any potential Fortnite would have had. The majority of the hype of Fortnite came from PS4 and it struck us as a new genre of gaming

[@thatonestormtrooper5422]

@@I_am_a_cat_ We all have different ways that we approach situations. In my opinion it’s better to try something firsthand than to let someone else’s idea of it dictate your stance on it. Could have phrased my original comment better but you get the point.

[@zthreetwo9874]

Bro do u still have the steel account? Was wondering if u craft legacies

[@Atlas-si2jp]

It really is a shame, because this concept I personally think is fascinating and hasn’t really been done before. There are tons of zombie survival games, and in many of them you can reinforce barriers but nowhere near as complex a system as Fortnite would’ve had. I love the idea of having to spend time gathering materials and customizing defenses based on scenario. But I guess we’ll never get that now

[@Juan-ci6vc]

Not zombies but orcs must die is pretty similaaaar

[@Zer0Hour17]

I seriously do not understand why they didn't make the mode free when they completely shifted focus to the BR mode and it started making them billions.

[@KC-sg8ti]

extremely unreasonable, now I cant even play stw with my friends without them paying.

[@TheDeadmanTT]

You mean Epic has unethical business practices?

[@TheTimestreamer]

It's cause Timmy wants all of the money.

[@flippa4220]

@@TheDeadmanTT it’s not unethical to demand money for a game...

[@BigGanja0]

I remember the days when you used to be able to buy a game with your money instead of your privacy. You can currently get involved for like 10 bucks AND get a skin that can be used in BR as well as a nice weapon. . Many people spend this much on one skin in BR all the time and then they still bitch that save the world ain't free. . .

[@samvimes9510]

They don't _want_ to work on Save the World anymore, which is exactly why they're still charging money for it. Think about it. They announced they'll be slowing down updates, and every gamer _knows_ that's a death sentence. Existing players will eventually give up and leave, and nobody will come in to replace them because who wants to pay money for a dying game? Then Epic can use low player numbers as an excuse to finally pull the plug.

[@corpsestarch8869]

This hurts to read but you are right i feel like. The god damn writing is on the wall

[@KingPalico]

Scott Kruger Yup. This is exactly what happened with Paragon. And I totally hate Epic Games for that

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

If they're making less back on the investment they put in, compared to if they just invested those resources elsewhere where they might make more, well, that's just good business practices. Shitty situation for the community though.

[@ArioDragon]

I think they just dont want to waste ANY time of STW whatsoever. If i remember correctly, they did talk about Fortnite 2 developing for new gen consoles. And guess what mode it will most probably be? That's right, BR. They just want to finally cut STW down, to not waste anything on it anymore. Hope BR will fail hard and Epic will take a HARD blow.

[@Artician]

@@KingPalico They had no choice but to shut it down

[@triple-d2640]

I remember they said Save the World will eventually become free... I feel lied to.

[@wizardgaming3313]

That’s because you were lied to. We all were.

[@RanaRandom]

I had to pay additional money price just to "Save the World" after purchasing the base game itself >:O.

[@RanaRandom]

@Jewish-Mandrill when I first got Fortnite it was free.... (multiplayer wise) save the world greeted me with the *"press X to PURCHASE"* message.

[@covertgaming1628]

Man at this point epic should just make it free to play because it would revive the game. But I just realized why they didn't make it free to play. If u got fortnite stw for free you could get vbucks for free. Which is bad for a company like epic. So in turn they won't ever do it unless there game is on a hardcore downward spiral and needs a slight revival.

[@Honed-]

if they made it free to play right now, it would be very popular. but they wont do it cause it keeps br in beta and cheep free updates that bend the rules of psn, xbox and other services. makes them way more money, witch is what they only care about.

[@alfianfahmi5430]

Tencent: *Approaches* Decent dev team/managers/talents: "Aight, imma head out 😒"

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

I remember when this was all that Fortnite was And then when the BR trend popped off Fortnite made their own version and for some reason it became the staple BR I just still can't believe some random ass game hopped on a genre trend and became the biggest game in the world

[@MefoWho]

isnt it the first "free" br game ? and toddler friendly help the rating too i suppose

[@duck74UK]

@@MefoWho It was the first non-realistic one iirc. H1Z1 hadn't thrown away its gameplay mechanics yet and PUBG was the top dog. Being the first major free one also helped 100%

[@richmeggison]

@@Quinny_Winny exactly right even the art style and animations targeted kids 12 and under

[@systemhalodark]

Very fluid gameplay loop (play, die, leave, and immediately re-queue). Super simple gameplay and inventory management compared to predecessors. The base game's mechanics just worked well enough even after transfer. Younger audience targetted compared to old Arma/DayZ/Pubg breed where BR emerged. Far from a "random-ass" game.

[@lx4079]

@@Quinny_Winny can you expand on this? Sounds interesting

[@spacegamer267]

As one of the 18 people who played the game before battle royale, this hits home

[@thetriborg9588]

It hurts because I was there since the e3 trailer. I wanted the survival, horror, and building that it should’ve been

[@spacegamer267]

@@thetriborg9588 yea

[@sethleoric2598]

@@thetriborg9588 that is true

[@yeahrightgetreal]

I played it before BR too but it was never going to go anywhere with STW to begin with. The BR mode just came out at a perfect time when PUBG and similar style games were starting to get big traction. Also the free to play/ little kids factor made them divert so much dev time

[@georgeprivate405]

Yeah back then the game was more serious and not the cringefest it has become.

[@flintburner6313]

So a few new voice lines and the same structure to a mission is more expensive than multiple avengers crossovers? Aight epic

[@KingRoayal]

All us Founders, in one emoji: -_-

[@cadetcrockett2276]

Same here. Although I’m continuing to STAND AND FIGHT!

[@thanosguy576]

@@cadetcrockett2276I quit shortly after Czecher did

[@cadetcrockett2276]

@Thanos Guy I’m willing to see it through to the end. Even though the higher-ups at Epic don’t care about it, I still genuinely enjoy the game at its core.

[@itzexodus9205]

I don’t recommend it. Played the whole game through I’m at pl 129 yet the f’ing game is trash when you try to level up. The rinse and repeat is going to make you want to stop playing the game. Honestly get all mythical from stw and just dip. If they wanted a future on the game they could have made it. And if you like pve move on to other games like destiny 2 and such. Those games actually have a dev team working hard.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

@ITz Exodus I’m pl 131 and have every myhic. I’m continuing to play since I enjoy the game at its core. Also, did you move to Destiny 2 because of Demonjoefrance?

[@roxiswidan7131]

"... Tencent." Ah.

[@louiepooh1510]

Clue...

[@X1erra]

Tencent and EA will forever be the villain scum that brought "games as a service" model into the limelight for me. I hate it so much because how much it has affected creative integrity of the video game industry.

[@Artician]

@@X1erra Tencent has stakes in reddit and discord too btw

[@ilksral3815]

@@Artician Tencent has stakes in nearly everything slightly gaming related

[@jex-the-notebook-guy1002]

@@chainsawplayin if they're not getting paid it's not shilling. However who cares? your government monitors everything so it's no different. but online only games in general... those need everyone's anger. just give everyone private matchmaking and bam it's preserved.

[@ScribbleVicious]

Save the World should have been an open world survival mode where what you build stays. Where you can invite your friends to play on your works. Random events would happen, NPCs would show up and give you quests, and night time would be dangerous.

[@Ramsey276one]

Fortnite:WorldBlock!

[@NexusKirin]

Minecraft but Skyrim? (I dunno if that works)

[@h2oh256]

Not really, stw is fine as it is, the thing is that it didn’t get much support. You’re basically suggesting a Minecraft ripoff.

[@luisbustamante9260]

Like Fallout 76?

[@devxved]

Im pretty sure the game was supposed to be that, when i first head of developement of it, thats the idea they gave everybody when they were working on it

[@operator_ace8502]

STW is like the older brother that made the parents proud, but when BR was created, its like the parents (epic or tentcent) just gave only BR the attention. The treatment that STW had before slowly became less genuine and less rewarding. BR then became the only child the parents were proud of while STW, trying its best is just never looked at. Only a matter of time before it takes the easy way out-

[@stillgeneric6270]

Save the world is like a sucessful older brother who had it all before a crash and burn in which his younger brother had been related to.

[@crylune]

"Only a matter of time before it takes the easy way out-" same

[@marthedge]

Hi, so I wanted to point out that there is another side of the whole "veteran players not being retained" thing you briefly touched upon, and another possibly factor for the large decline in playerbase outside of what had already been mentioned. The players' culture namely. This is going to be a tad lengthy. I'm someone who played STW for a long time, before BR came out. Not quite early release-release for reference. There was rampant problems where the community was not managed well. AFK/abusive players would get away scott-free because epic's report system was rather non-functional. This is important for later. Shortly after the release of BR, things were going well and the new blood was curious about STW. It was a joy having new players to teach and those were the funnest moments I had with STW in a long while after the perpetual radio silence we experienced for months. We even started getting big updates to streamline progress and various quality of life. Those were good times. Soon after "trading" became a big thing, especially among the younger portion of the playerbase. Not trading for resources, but for weapons. Weapons that merely had a legendary quality (not even being good as a weapon by gameplay standards) were highly valued by children like pokemon cards. Normally weapon-trading would be a boon since you had to fight the microtransactions to get anything worthwhile/usable later on. However in this case many children would disrupt actual gameplay to trade these weapons. This trading culture can still be seen today if you look up save the world, you *will* see at least one "scam/trade" video. It got so bad we lost global chat to it due to the spam/overload. So instead of sticking to that global chat, they would wander missions instead, not even playing the game half the time while being unwilling to learn the actual game on the other side of the coin. See, I could put up with a lot of Epic's lying and radio silence. I went in used to it. It's when the community itself turned sour over time. Griefing, scamming, boxing people in, trolling, all became normal. STW was milked for vbucks so the BR-primary playerbase could purchase their skins with it instead of progress: which over time became more accessible, which then also lead to them reaching the endgame areas instead of the earlier areas (where veterans were able to hide once upon a time). The community went bad, there was no moderation, epic was entirely silent, and what little gameplay I enjoyed over time was taken over by nerf culture every time a challenge mode similar to the 14-day survival was made. If I couldn't enjoy the game anymore, and I couldn't enjoy the players in a co-op multiplayer build-and-shoot, then what's the point? I also had my account stolen once over the trading phenomena, but miraculously the thief in question (who had sold my account according to the new "friends" on my list) didn't change the password. I did so. The new owner nor their informative friend were happy. I restocked myself in no time because I knew where to find everything. This isn't to highlight the lack of intelligence or stupidity involved in this scenario, but to highlight that people were stealing and selling accounts and resources over save the world's honestly easy-to-farm materials and such. Because of trading. I also made a ticket to epic support and their automated(?) responder told me to report bugs in-game after writing several paragraphs detailing my missing items, suspicious friends added to my friend's list, and even the conversation involving them selling my account. The big things that killed the veteran playerbases' confidence in epic wasn't just the silence, it was the continued unpunished abuse and series of poorly-implemented systems that punished legitimate players. We've had malfunctioning afk-kickers, we've had actual afks/leeches go on unchecked. I haven't come back in years and every time I peek my head in to check how STW is doing nothing has really changed. The same complaints from years ago continue on. It's just sad, man. I just wanna build.

[@cetrics6762]

Amen to that. This one really hit

[@thejojomonado3647]

Thank you, this needed to be said. I was 13 when I got the game, and spend every waking hour of my summer holidays playing this. I would always watch this guy called Ser Jaust's stream, god I loved this game. I guess this game personified what heartbreak is, because even now I miss it dearly.

[@dopaminedreams1122]

I know i sound like an old man here, but kids legit ruined fortnite, and everything else they touch. The game is essentially one big kids show now.

[@Aesyaan]

Amen to this brother, we veterans of Save the World, and just Fortnite in general, have had nowhere to hide for a long time... Homebase is fogging up...

[@trist10]

Nobody: Fortnite BR youtubers: Hey let’s take these assets from stw and make a video called “UNRELEASED LEAKED FEATURES COMING TO BR”

[@cadetcrockett2276]

It always feels like a slap to the face as a STW player.

[@blueyolker4961]

I thought u meant Brazil players at first

[@gyrozeppeli3438]

@@cadetcrockett2276 true i see it all the time

[@raylopes9014]

@@blueyolker4961 i'm brazilian... got confused at first reading this hahahah

[@juarezamorim]

@@raylopes9014 especially the part "COMING TO BR" because that is a phrase that brazillians loves to say in chats (for some reason)

[@steveluna1627]

It's funny that the game mode with less thought process and less effort was actually more successful than the original mode which was very interesting considering they wanted to do a different shooter game

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

It feels so...surreal. Like making a masterpiece and people praise your sketches...

[@JamesTheFoxeArt]

IM TOO LAZY For a profile pic well technically Save the world was still a sketch just a more detailed one

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

@jocaguz18 I dont know about og Mazinger Z but Shin Mazinger Zero actually made me cry. It was beautiful for a non fan like me and the ending was so epically made.

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

Sometimes simple is the best

[@badasscrusader]

Trends are more popular than effort

[@Dgero]

Update, in the past half a year, two major quality of life updates had been released (although they are sweet it’s somewhat trivial in terms of it’s overall impact) they added wildlife, and gave it a mobility overhaul where you can sprint, mantle, slide, and yes dear player, even crouch. It only took them four years to do thisahahahhaaaaa

[@ricdesc26]

I've played a lot of stw, but got "bored" after a time. I still follow the game players and leakers, hopefully, one day, I'll came back to play again

[@Dgero]

@@ricdesc26 Honestly understandable game has definitely hit a wall of sorts when it came to content, and only recently have they kinda added to it by porting over features from BR*, like tameable wildlife and the movement Ill admit mantling, sprinting, and *crouch* kinda breathed a bit more life into the game albeit for a moment or two.

[@fistedcheese4211]

I feel like epic games betrayed me...no not me everyone playing it. They promised this wonderful rpg style loot grinding and fighting building pvp/pve and they gave us a lazy unfinished forgotten husk of a game, all for money.

[@Ariel-iu4jg]

Imagine all the cool monster bosses they could have made for save the world it's called save the world not survive the husks so no rules they could have made Al different kinds of threats to the planets each season game had so much potential

[@johncraze3003]

*husk*

[@delsi26]

It’s like a Kickstarter project, yet it’s a multi billion dollar company

[@rileycockrell9293]

while i do agree in a sort. thats very dumb lol. The way the br took off is unlike any other game ever. NOT shifting their entire focus in a business (and practical seeing as its easier to update a BR) sense would have been the stupidest move in all of gaming production history. so while u can feel "betrayed" know that betrayal came with lifetime memories for millions more than the original idea would have.

[@Techn0Fox]

"Fortnite's player-versus-player has a long way to go before it's as compelling as its cooperative campaign" I'll take "Statements That Didn't Age Well" for 500 please

[@gunosaguki1]

I agree!.... because thats exactly the case despite save the world's decrepidness ;_; I think save the world had a chance to overtake battle royale again but they saw their golden goose the moment its shell was cracking and broke that shell open

[@AT7outof10]

Lord I remember first hearing about Fortnite in a review; "Huh, what a neat survival game about storm zombies?" how different things were then...

[@therealsteel1634]

It reminded me of cod zombies a bit

[@_V.Va_]

Ngl I was actually interested in that point in time. Then my interest dropped quicker than steel balls.

[@themostamericankenjaku]

So MagmaMusen once was sponsered by Fortnite . I was like '' It would not be that good probably '' Little did I know ...

[@HaizekZX]

I remember watching an ad for Fortnite STW before the Battle Royale portion was even announced. Thought to myself "This looks cool, but I don't think it will be as big as GOW" Boy did I fuck up that prediction

[@NightOfTheLiving8bit]

P.S. There really needs to be a discussion and even potential civil suit against Epic... Technically speaking, Epic used funds from one game to directly fund another venture, without ever delivering on the perceived promises originally put forth - AKA the reason why people gave up their money in the first place. I can understand the idea of a spin off mode being funded by Epics with the profits they made from Fortnite originally...but when a company promises one thing, requires people to pay in advance to fund the development of said thing to completion and then turns around and abandons the project for no LEGITIMATE reason, only to use that money to fund something else that originally people never agreed to fund...some kind of law must have been broken. Especially since at the time, STW was never in a state of ‘failing’ or financially troubled. I mean if Epic already had enough resources from Fortnite STW, to make another mode within the same game...odds are, the game was somewhat financially successful. Last time I checked, making people pay for one thing - not delivering said thing, then using the money from the promised thing to fund something else that original buyers did not originally agree upon purchasing...is against the law in some countries. And at the least, would hold up in civil suit regarding business practices in many other countries.

[@Bolt451]

Bro you could do that but for what they aren’t ea or activation

[@martinszymanski2607]

@@Bolt451 they still scammed people lol

[@cravenmarigold7750]

Well theres an issue with this. The court system is kinda bad at handling this when it comes to games. Look at No Mans Sky when it launched. People tried but the court dismissed it over 1 small thing. It wasnt false advertising if they promised multiplayer and such, they only looked at the the back of the final retail box and it said "1 player only" And everything else that box said it had was in some way "technically" true even though the advertising and developers promised something different. The court system only sees the packaging and the final retail product as what to review. Not the leadup to it. If that was the case we would've seen many lawsuits over the years but its not how it works.

[@SCHMOBEX]

@@Bolt451 theyre on the same scumbag level as EA or Activision/Blizzard

[@Croach193]

I can’t imagine there being any problem with that. There are plenty of instances where companies presumably use the money earned from one game to develop another game. And I can’t imagine there being anything illegal about a company giving up on a game that they deem isn’t worth pursuing. And it’s not like people paid for a game and weren’t given a game. They just weren’t given what they were expecting. It’s scummy and shitty, sure, but I don’t think there’s anything anyone can really do about that.

[@hominoidea6838]

I've always loved save the world, it had good gameplay and good lore, but then they gave up on it, it pained all of the community, that instead of going free they just gave us the middle finger(also all this very old gameplay is super nostalgic)

[@m.odysseas2271]

Yeah its just sad..

[@TheBigGSN5]

It’s funny how this was to be the only game and the BR mode was a ripoff thrown together in a month.

[@lydierayn]

The main game was ment to be focused on Melee combat. Thats why gunplay is and was suler clunky

[@Quickloaded]

They were able to salvage most of the game mechanics from StW which allowed them to release it so soon. We could say, that StW played a big part in BR's success.

[@Disciple_JK]

If you actually think Fortnite is a "ripoff" then you can *fuck* off. Battle Royale games are a genre, they're formulaic. What's next, you gonna call Sonic the Hedgehog a ripoff of Super Mario Bros. because they're both platformers?

[@awesomedog1415]

@@Disciple_JK i dont think he meant ripoff, i think he just meant it was thrown together with not much effort, but i agree that ripoff wasn't even close.

[@CocaColaGrunt]

@@Disciple_JK uh oh angry fortnite kid with a fortnite profile pic 😂😂💀💀

[@snikerz5886]

Worse part is now it seems like they are trying to bring STWs story into the current Fortnite story. That big cutscene before the map got flooded puts you in Agent Jonesys office fir a minute and if you looked around there were tons of references that suggested it was the save the world erm....world.

[@MegaNekoPower]

Not to mention everything that has happened in br, is in stw. Kevin the cube? Yup. Storm king? Yup. The butterfly event? Yup.....

[@Artician]

eh, no

[@Quartzer.]

@@MegaNekoPower actually I think Storm King was in Save The World before Battle Royale

[@Lung-Stealer]

I think people are forgetting that BR is a simulation made by vindertech(or in this case home base) since they didn't fully understand the storm

[@Lung-Stealer]

@@ZaFakeFoilo a gaym theory

[@TNobody0214]

I was one of those original founding members who bought the game within the first week of launch and played for about a solid 2 years. The games more dedicated audience mostly came from other looter shooter games like Borderlands, which made sense since is gun design and gameplay were both pretty fun and creative. But not to go to a huge rant on the communitt itself, alot of issues and causes for players to leave the game Suprisenly wasnt burnout but lack of community mangement from Epic. As founding members most of the early months of the game were about figuring what was good, what was what, and grinding since you needed to do alot. In fact leaving the first area of the game, Stonewood, it was rare to have more then 1 or 2 legendary weapons. This created a player base where it was common to have player swap weapons or drop a gun for those who help or have good sportsmanship since the lack of good weaponry was a community issue. Over time Epic increased the drop rates on higher rarity cards, made the perks on weapons easier to control, and even made V-bucks so easy to get that the grind for them felt like basic dailies instead of the traditional F2P grind. All in All the game felt easy to get into and getting a good (or over powered)weapon or hero didnt take much anymore. But issues arouse because of how new players entered the game and how they were treated. Older players would hand out strong guns, as customary, as they go throw their basic vbuck grind or as a handout to a friend who just joined the game. To these new players these guns became gold to them. They traded them, sold them, bought them, and even ignored what the game was cause all they saw was cool looking guns. These were the trade kids and they were toxic. Many of them stagnated themselves in early game and would barely participate in mission. While much of the community tryed to expand the knowledge of and help new players, trade kids ignored all the systems in game for " ohhh shiny strong gun". This created a toxic hard to play environment for low level and in higher levels they were often very low leveled, ill equipped (refusal to use their strong guns), and often demanded others to supply them with weapons since they wouldnt have any of their own to make since they didnt engage with the systems to level and make their own strong weapons. The chat system in game was often filled with them begging for trades, and they community experience overall was sour for anyone who didnt have someone to team up with. This all was a massive turn away that ultimately made me leave the game even though I did enjoy it alot. Epics refusal to deal with these issues and the other developmental issues were the death of the game in my eyes. Because for us gamers who enjoy looter shooters, what we enjoy is shooting fun guns and having characters we play be designable to how we like to play and fortnite STW had all of that in spades. TL;DR: Trade kids suck, BR and tencent screwed a game with amazing passion and vision, and fuck all of you who told me LMGs were bad. Mercury LMG and HackSaw are OP.

[@benwarford8915]

honestly surprised he didn’t cover that in the video, when i purchased the game in the spring of 2018, all i wanted to do was trade and get cool guns until i saw how enjoyable the game actually was, i got to power level 114 and just could not do it anymore it was so incredibly boring

[@TNobody0214]

@@benwarford8915 its something you kinda had to ve there for as the most things people know about from STW is just the scammer gets scammed stuff. The end game did an issue with keeping up with content but someone could easily drop 100+ hoyrs before getting there.

[@ampah1410]

I say it as it is: We founders got scammend and nobody gives an f. I hate BR and knowing that this moneywas used in first place for BR is like a fraud. Everybody is like hey great marketing move for the company but in reality all founders were screwed over in the long con.

[@metricmiler9940]

Not rly tho

[@HelpIdkAGoodUser301]

I’m glad I didn’t upgrade to ultimate then or any other edition in that fact

[@theblackbaron4119]

Well I hope that you've learned something fro this :)

[@calebgadison167]

Cry about it

[@HelpIdkAGoodUser301]

@@calebgadison167 why do you need to say that

[@Lucky-Cigarette]

As someone who played this when it first came out I loved the community, it made me so sad to see it become a HUSK of what it once was.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

That joke is both hysterical and depressing at the same time.

[@bbones504]

Man I miss helping new players learn strats and home base defense. This game had a very strong community the first two years.

[@TenshiAsakura]

Oh man this one is going to hurt....

[@Lee2099]

First video I had to take a deep breath before clicking on it lol

[@TerrorLTZ]

@@Lee2099 i did the same, this does hurt killed by his father and brother.

[@poniz2471]

@@Axonteer FORTNITE BAD. I AM SMART BECAUSE I DISLIKE POPULAR THING.

[@sunset4079]

@@Axonteer as like Minecraft :-)

[@VTDlonely]

@@sunset4079 ima go and say it... yall dumbasses need to grow tf up. nobody wanna here you complain about both microsofts amd epics shit stain of a game and compare them.

[@nathanschmit5841]

For weeks there was a big that made the end game boss almost unplayable. It hurt your eyes and made it almost impossible. They didn't revert the change or fix it. The endgame boss, unbeatable for WEEKS. For over a month there was another game breaking bug that allowed unlimited damage, health, resources, healing, and basically made God mode available in seconds. The hardest missions were easy to do solo. They wouldn't fix it because that would require forcing BR to update. Around this time I quit Fortnite and moved on to Destiny 2 where I have have way more fun.

[@hanfmann17]

Reminds me of 2018. gamebreaking bugs for months not fixed. I'm talking about joining player freezing the game for everone for 2-10 seconds as also the gameserver randomly crashing, taking the invested ressources and obviously not getting the win. So goddamn frustrating. Oh yeah and then they forced us BR Royale, 50GB of something we don't even want.

[@nathanschmit5841]

@@teslacybertrucksilver5380 They were on launch, but they have turned their game around completely.

[@mihalydumitrumargaretacorn7095]

>moves to destiny 2 B r u h

[@WiggsP5]

almost a year later and the most STW has gotten was some QOL improvements, some minor quest lines that felt like they where taken out of a bigger story and its taken the remaining STW team around 3 months to create a new dungeon wing. 3 months for a 10-15 minute side event mission. Meanwhile BR has had crossover after crossover with tournament after tournament. A comic series with DC and is still going strong with C2S7 being highly praised. As of writing this, one of BRs crossover events is stated to have STWs storm king with a completely revamped arena and some changes to the design, in that event and I wouldnt be surprised if STW isnt even mentioned or got the changes involved. IMO its a miracle that STW is still around.

[@emiliaz4685]

I was so sad to find out save the world was completely abandoned I really like the concept of the game but I never bought it because it was already dead. I love your videos keep making them

[@suthiraksb]

I never bought it because they told that this game will be free after early access, it's just another epic's lie.

[@icebrorottenmushroom1817]

I bought it at when it was alive I had so much fun im sad that you couldn't play it while it was alive

[@TheGoodDarkMage]

Well we can avenge save the world ruin battle royal for every one until epic listens #AVENGESAVETHEWORLD

[@nore5888]

Wtgoofyboy eh, that's not gonna happen

[@kleptokars3259]

dude i legit bought it 5 weeks ago

[@basilblair]

Thank you for covering this often overlooked game!

[@gozol9646]

'Overlooked'

[@BiggieCheeto]

good meme

[@furen4962]

@@jalapeenolol2908 you do realize Save the world was the original version of fortnite?

[@kadirgarib3459]

@@RusticRonnie well it's very badly delivered satire/sarcasm if that's the case.

[@rynnix3508]

jalapeeno lol and battle Royale isn’t?

[@Tyler-ko6kc]

This game was a huge missed opportunity for Epic Games

[@nuloentodo]

Wdym? They got crazy rich because of this game, although not in the way they planned originally.

[@ArctoRockturne]

@@nuloentodo did you even watch the video?

[@m.streicher8286]

@@ArctoRockturne so they missed one opportunity to catch a better one financially. Did you watch the video?

[@combatcactus6892]

@Hollacosts Halfprice he didn't say it was a better game tho... Think he meant better investment / money making opportunity

[@mr.preston1632]

@@nuloentodo They meant save the world, not this battle royale crap

[@x-ray_channel2226]

Sometimes I wish that BR would fail, or would never been popular to begin with, so Epic would understand what they been doing

[@bailbox9235]

They would have just canned it and make another game

[@lutherholayeahme7449]

@@bailbox9235 this

[@ITalk69]

Thank you for covering this. Been watching your content for a bit now, and this was very well researched and edited. Keep it up!

[@PlusTheFrog]

It just greatly pains me that StW is somewhat on the verge of death, and whenever that time arrives, I'll have memories to look back on.

[@Nocturne-]

Thank you for everything you did to try to get the br side exposed to stw you brought hope to the community.

[@raulbruh8716]

Didn't expect you to be here. You really care about this game. Respect

[@derperkaholiker8909]

Didn’t expect you to be here

[@aclamp79]

I agree, this must of taken a while to research to be fair. Fortnite has a very long past.

[@spartan8ter]

I was one of the founders. Literally sunk day after day playing Save the World. I loved every minute of it, met some pretty cool people and had a blast just defending my own actual fort that the game clearly fucking advertised for. Then this BR bullshit came around and the updates became stale, stagnant. It was clear they just didn't care about those who were loyal in the first place and finally off'd support for StW. I hated every BR gamemode in a game ever since.

[@maestrofeli4259]

sad

[@cadetcrockett2276]

Same here, although I found STW through BR, and I fell in love he game, and have been enjoying it for years to come. I was heartbroken by the “state of development”.

[@naethavenir9422]

This is just greed now, there was no passion in STW at all, just a way to make money for big daddy Tencent

[@masztaarc]

I bought the founder's pack in 2017 too but only to support the whole game. I almost exclusively play the BR mode (always have) but I respect the hell out of all you guys who were on the hype train early. I've progressed somewhat in STW but to me the game has way too many aspects to keep track of in order to be enjoyable in the long run.

[@itzexodus9205]

I’m a pretty late founder from end of 2018 (In December) but I cared for the game until the f’ing drop. I was PL 129 and worked my ass off for the game. I got all mythic consuming even more of my time. Man I wish I knew they would drop stw so I could just stop playing it. Honestly once they said their update schedules were going to be different that’s when my heat sank.

[@sqentontheslime1967]

I don’t play fortnite, most definitely never will, but whenever I hear about the game I remember how it used to be a be a PvE zombie game and how I hadn’t heard anything about the original version.

[@renegadepyro726]

The dude at 9:40 went for that super saiyan Goku look

[@marko-gj1uj]

Save the World is like Team Fortress 2. They will never have a finished story. Still no TF2 Comics #7.

[@yaboichangkaishek3460]

Rightttttt and basically when save the world realesed tf2 pretty got it’s last major update in 1,000 days

[@_V.Va_]

Both really popular, but it seems TF2 is more respected.

[@rubystickmc8354]

@@_V.Va_ Ah yes! Virgin fortnite and Chad tf2

[@maskedkitty7350]

tf2 has comics!??? i must find a way to read them now.

[@cray9419]

@@maskedkitty7350 I think they are on the tf2 web

[@RobertPatrician]

This one hurts. I loved this game so much, but their latest thing was "Hey, remember how you used to play with your friends? Well now there's a whole new grind and you can't play with any of your friends until you get up to their level!" Noped right out of there, wasn't going to do a hundred hours of grinding just to play with my friends.

[@ladofthecentury7311]

Robert Patrician it’s literally hundreds of hours to this isn’t even an exaggeration

[@hernannorbertolormant5378]

cause lvls 1 to carried to twinepeaks lvl 20 can beat the game just for some scammed things

[@cadetcrockett2276]

Are you referring to Ventures? Or the game itself?

[@AdmiralRamenNoodles]

I’ve recently gotten back on STW and I was sorely disappointed. While I admit I found STW from BR I had WAY more fun on STW and for months my time was slowly being put more into STW than BR then I quit BR. Dedicating my free time into playing it. I even passed my friend in progress in 5 months while he’d been playing for 10. I then read “The State of Development” I was shattered. And after that I just dedicated the rest of my time to another game Destiny 2. I’ve come back last week and I was sad to see empty servers. The once booming servers of finding a match immediately gone. I wish there was more development and I sure hope Epic doesn’t pull the plug. If any of my Home-base Commanders are out there and still playing, I love ya and thanks for trying to keep the game alive.

[@HelpIdkAGoodUser301]

I’m here Also looking for a team of commanders as I can’t find any Do you want to help fight the storm?

[@voltzbohton2574]

They can't keep making seasons forever...I await the day STW becomes their main focus again...

[@organicleaf]

aka never, they will just buy another exclucivity deal

[@TestAcct46]

I was genuinely looking forward to the "Save the World" mode which was gonna be free to play. Then it never was, and now its pretty much dead.

[@raja7775]

Same. I wanted to play it with my friends.

[@itsClaptrap]

Same here, I am a huge fan of Dungeon Defender games and when I first heard about STW I was ecstatic that another studio was dipping into the TD genre the whole devolution of STW with priority of BR has just made me disappointed. Not too bad though, I did almost get STW but im glad I didn't, because I would've been pissed at the complete abandonment of the project i wanted to support. Ah well.

[@jordlopez]

Same, I was constantly expecting it to be F2P "soon" as they said, but it broke my heart when they announced it would stay a paid game.

[@XxAdamBossxXGaming]

Well its not dead its not gonna be for a long time Still a fun game to play its not like it its stw final downfall. People are still playing everyday you still should get it if you havent already

[@malohn2068]

Fortnite *Cough* The REAL Fortnite.. Was actually pretty good, I just highly disliked when you entered a new world you had to rebuild your previous base, was abit of a bore.

[@happyjohn354]

ya i wish it had a mode that you could design stuff in and make prefabs...

[@usererror14285]

Don’t buy anything off Epic games not even games I have a feeling one day they will just shut it down And keep all the money !

[@griffinjelly3547]

Lmao y’all in plankerton

[@geocero]

Arcenet if you buy a toy from a place that shuts down, you wont get a refund. theyll keep the money even if they stay around

[@usererror14285]

Plex's Revenge the difference is once you purchase the toy from the Place and they shut down it’s 100% yours you don’t need to go back to the toy shop in order to play it everyday, if you buy a game off there platform your required their launcher in order to run the game and if not have fun repurchasing it on another engine to play it

[@468erpeashooter9]

Nerd city: Is talking about the depressing slowing development of STW The background: *_FORTNITE STW VICTORY MUSIC_*

[@HelpIdkAGoodUser301]

MISSION COMPLETE NOW WAIT 876 YEARS TO LEAVE GAME YAYYYYYYY

[@SieanBarasketSamad]

I’m actually really happy you took the time to talk about fortnite save the world props to you man

[@Shezmen88]

Oh man..when you showed unreal tournament 1999 I wanted to cry. .sigh.

[@themanwiththebabyhands4650]

There's never going to be another unreal tournament

[@lx4079]

@@CarrotConsumer you're so cool bruhbruh

[@Drodz1030]

I’m always shocked when I see a youtuber comment on another youtuber

[@sasatofe7707]

unreal torment died for your fortnite you 9 year old player this should be played every time you play fortnite

[@unsungsenpai4394]

@@CarrotConsumer ​ Ugh...You see, that a "toxic-masculinity" thinking you're doing is the reason why toxic feminist's and sjw exist.

[@ArikaStack]

This video makes me want to give Save the World a second chance. I whaled hard on this game to cope with my restrictive schedule, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I still have good memories of playing this game itself though.

[@metricmiler9940]

You should! I still play it and it's a good game to pass the time

[@jennapats]

Save the world in the beginning was so fun. As someone who wasn’t (and still isn’t lol) good at pvp shooters, it was a great step into that world. But now it’s glitchy as ever, it’s so difficult to find players to play with, and the repetitive nature of the events are laughable. I constantly have issues with the servers matching me and most of the missions are hard af to do for one person (as well as the pressure on one persons resources). People used to pop into sessions all the time, now I’m lucky if I get matched in with more then one other player.

[@jothamsmith2658]

I was so excited for Save the World, I even ended up grabbing a Founder's Pack to play it. Watching BR slowly throttle it was so sad...

[@Kenji000]

Ditto here as a founder, I hated BR so much I refused to ever play it. To this day I hate all BR games by proxy

[@Disciple_JK]

@@Kenji000 Disliking a game is one thing, disliking a game is perfectly fine. Outright hating something that has done nothing wrong, that's where you can go fuck right off.

[@FrankTheRandomCommenter]

I liked the BR but what I really wanted was save the world, I bought it in 2019 and now... BR got really boring and depressing, meanwhile in stw I'm power 104 and cannot find anyone playing :(, at this point I moved on into games like the division, minecraft and PVZ BFN

[@clown8444]

@@Disciple_JK fortnite kid

[@rengokuwithagun1864]

@@Disciple_JK Ya know opinions exist, if you like fortrash , sure, but if someone hates a game its their opinion.

[@VanquishSpeed]

In terms of concept, Fortnite Save the World has better art style then Fortnite BR. Fortnite BR on the other hand kinda lost that identity.

[@ArioDragon]

It's just a parasite that leeches off the famous franchises. Did you see the latest trailer for a new season? Cringefest is what it is. There's no identity for BR. Just a cosmetics shop with a side game.

[@VanquishSpeed]

@@ArioDragon sadly it's how it is, just to keep Fortnite BR going

[@Quartzer.]

Especially with all the crossover crap thats been happening recently

[@cjallenroxs6239]

Spiro Dra play something else nobody stopping you

[@supersaiyankb5779]

@@Quartzer. it's a battle royal. what did you expect. I'm getting sick of hearing that smh.

[@thejustanoob4926]

A funny thing is, I only got into STW because of a bug that let me play it for free, that I discovered on my own, at 12am. I kept playing till 2am, and I was hooked afterwards. If only they made it free, nowadays there's no downside. The bug was in the menu to choose stw or br, unplug & plug router, the game wouldn't check to see if you had stw when the internet got on again.

[@soulechelon2643]

Sad thing is, I was really interested in the tower defense version of the game. Though I didn't (and still don't) have any desire to play the battle royale, I was hoping that version would only help fund the original. Nope.

[@Movie_Games]

I wish they would give people who preordered Fortnite a skin in BR or something. Because I feel like I haven't gotten my money's worth.

[@godlyxferris3863]

Facts bro the only cool mode I had fun with was survive the storm

[@ElnoSVK]

@@godlyxferris3863 i have some founders skins in BR, but they are really basic.

[@MegaNekoPower]

Theres a founder only pick, glider, backpack, and soldier jonesy.... is that enough? Maybe for teir 1 packs sure. But tbh, if they just gave each packs heroes as skins, we would be fine. But they wont.

[@igotjinxed2994]

I bought the "better" package with one special weapon and hero. Now i have all 3 of them for a game no one plays anymore.

[@plainwhitemees]

my girlfriend showed me that one character from save the world was actually available for sale in the BR store for $10. Super sad that founders didn't get much.

[@alejos9979]

This comment is going to get buried but... Me and my pals started playing november 2017 and fought thru every BR season until the tenth, but also the StW component. If I'm not mistaken, back in 2018, epic was saying that the 4 or 5 stages (cant remember) were part of one campaign of many to come, and to top it all, the next one would take you to the moon. When the storm king was released, we were so hyped that actually got the pin and waited for the next story component to arrive, bur it never did. Its quite sad actually given that we invested so much time on both games and both ended in disappointment. Loved your video BTW!

[@jadedxgems6992]

Battle royal is just a different game then what it was before not a disappointment

[@Delphineas]

ONLY good thing I will say about Epic:They granted my friend and I refunds on the founders pack + Llamas, when we asked in early 2018. I saw the writing on the wall when only 2 biomes were finished, and a mobile BR app was announced. I later had to contact them to get my account deleted, as I was SICK of seeing "Someone is trying to aces your account" for a stupid pvp mode I never wanted.

[@Kittysuit]

i miss the STW global chat, made a lot of good memories there. rip :(

[@Litwolf9]

Yea no I pissed off all the traders granted I did get alot of people for events

[@Kittysuit]

@@Litwolf9 i understand. someone who writes "alot" instead of "a lot" is a person who generally pisses me off too

[@Va1C]

@@Kittysuit people who have an animal as their name and pfp also pisses me off too

[@calebgadison167]

@@Va1C Someone who judges someone for their choice of profile picture doesn't piss me off,it just disappoints me that someone would be that shallow.

[@stinkbanana2522]

damn, everyone jumped ship after Tencent moved in, huh?

[@elinfini]

I don't blame them one bit.

[@chrisxd146]

There was an interview where Drew Karpyshyn (the writer behind the Mass Effect universe) elaborated on his departure from the company. When EA bought out Bioware from Microsoft, the creative freedom the developer once had was gone. Karpyshyn explained that he felt like the creative aspect behind developing the ME series was removed in favor of "proven marketing schemes." What was once a fun job turned into just another mundane one that lacked the creative liberties Karpyshyn once had. (This is a rough quote from what he had said).

[@stinkbanana2522]

Once these big money companies move in the studio is no longer trying to make a great game. They just want to make a vehicle to extract more money from the customers.

[@joaovictordioud7242]

Finally someone is talking about it

[@sirrismendozasunlessrealms5775]

That´s what happens with shadows. Pve lived casted away from pvp. It was like AC´s multiplayer and cod: zombies. Nobody talks about it except the ones who used to play ´em:(

[@Yiffbait]

I was really disappointed when BR exploded and the game I willingly supported early alpha became the “other mode”.

[@dexlovesgames_dlg]

Fortnite Save The World being left behind was the biggest gaming upset for me, EVER. I paid the 120$ package, pulling 2 other friends into the game with me. I saw so much potential and it honestly has some of my favorite weapons in any game. My favorite weapon was easily the shotgun sniper. So much fun.

[@hys4866]

I love how many kids and some adults thought that Fortnight started as a BR from the get go. I remember the game informer page and the polygon article, it could've been so much more than it is now, not that what it had become isn't precisely enjoyable, but back then at least for me, was a dream.

[@maevixie7041]

I'm not sure what's wrong about not knowing a game's full history if you play it? I mean, you don't have to know that the Spy class in TF2 was caused by a Quake glitch, or that rocket jumping wasn't an intended feature to play the game.

[@ReProjectSD]

As a founder.... I'm disappointed with how everything turned out. I'm sorry for the flosses that had to be tolerated internationally.

[@metamaster646]

Same here man. Its sad to see what we donated to has become.

[@emberfenn]

I really regret supporting this company...

[@Disciple_JK]

hold on, let me get my Reddit Gold for this.

[@burgerking-eg7xc]

@@emberfenn same

[@emberfenn]

@@Disciple_JK No, I'm not saying this to sound cool, it's genuinely how I feel. I don't hate BR, but I feel like they just took my money and ran.

[@dietbleach9362]

Epic added ventures and tbh it wasn't bad. Extreme grinding. But when I found out that it'll take about 5 years to get to max level (pl 145).. I was done. Not to mention no Twine Peaks story and constant repetitive events. Save the World is now dead.😢

[@Itsmetahh]

He can’t say that , that would be rude to make an video like that. Personally I played 3 years straight and earn all achievements and practically have everything. After they announced no new updates or whatever I gave up and let go and trust me a lot of high end players Gave up as well. Only new players are enjoying the content now.

[@arms.3559]

not really 5 years, just 600 hours of playtime. to be fair i got double that on a game i've played for 8 months. im g a m e r

[@Itsmetahh]

@@arms.3559 oh thanks

[@468erpeashooter9]

As a once hardcore STW player (stopped playing after this year's July announcement), I think you got a fewwwww things wrong. STW DID have major updates. They completely changed major parts of the progression early 2019. They added a whole new way to combine heroes (the playable characters) to have totally different ways of play, from having a loadout specialized around eating coconuts and throwing cannonballs to increasing your structure's health by 400% and smashing things with hammers. When the STW team was still following BR's storyline, the events with the characters they gave out and the new things those events added were SUPERB. They added at LEAST 100 hours of MAIN CAMPAING, excluding the event campaigns, in 2019. Not to mention how much they added in 2018 relating to the campaign. The holiday events, such as those for Halloween, Saint Patricks, and Christmas were AMAZING. They added 16 amazingly thought out, fun to use weapons from Haloween of 2020- Christmas 2020, from an assualt rifle that shoots snowballs to a sword that sacrifices your health for creating explosions that do HIGH damage. I also can't stress enough how good the ost is, it's amazing. Then after christmas it just... stopped. Almost three months later, and we get the St. Valentine's update. Well, okay, that's not otpimal, but the last St Valentine's update was INSANE, with the last mission having you build a FRICKING TREBUCHET! It sucked. The St valentine event didn't even bring new heroes. It was just the old heroes copy and pasted to a slightly different campaign storyline. Then there was no update after that. I'm not even kidding. There was literally no STW update from February-July, when they made the announcement that they were releasing the game with a 75% complete storyline and call it "complete". In each of the 4 regions of the STW map, they have unique biomes. Epic promised this for the only region that doesn't (which also happens to be the endgame region), and then completely walked it back. They promised a Twine Storyline. Walked back on that too. I can't finish the story here without what i though would be the redemption. Shortly after that announcement of them bringing it out from 1.0, they came out with their main "New Feature!" called Ventures, which was supposed to create all this new replayability. Now, it both solidified the coffin in the nail that this game was never going to continue, and also has expanded it's lifespan at the same time. They added a new Biome, and for a first season of the feature it wasn't bad. But for the haloween themed venture, Epic has shown an unwillingness to actually improve the feature. Rest in Peace, Save the World. I hope a good company that can take care of you buys you out.

[@rasmustagu]

Save the World is.. was honestly my favorite looter and my preferred game over BR, having clocked into both of them over 3000 hours combined as of some time last year when I detached myself from the game. I like grindy games and the resources & how the game managed them was perfect, I liked the complicated yet intuitive skill and survivor trees, but I don't think even Epic knew what made it so great. People wanted the story to continue, the one that was released only half finished, events and just more of the game. Nobody asked for the skill trees, schematics, menus and all that to get reworked - but that's what they did. It took them 6 years to publish half of the game, after year to publish another quarter and to this day -EVEN WITH THE GAME BEING FULLY RELEASED, they've yet to finish the remaining quarter. I find it insulting and hypocritical of them to promise the game to be finished & launched for free during the spring of 2018, then delayed indefinitely only to be released as a paid product and still unfinished, with the promise of slowing down the update process. We all know very well why this happened. Added content is recycled from BR or previous events, very rarely you get something, anything new and when you do, it usually is there to screw up the games economy and previously established features. Remember the trading scene? Full of kids trying to get your guns but it was still a lot of fun. Now there are no such things as "rare guns". I'm going off on a tangent, one which I see no final point to, but where I wanted to get to was basically that the updates they did make were the wrong ones, ones that changed the game for the worse and now we're just waiting for Epic to Paragon it.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

It’s sad that the aspect of trading is what made it popular, instead of the game itself. It’s a slap in the face whenever I tell people that I’m into STW, and they immediately assume I scam kids for guns, although I’m power level 131.

[@rasmustagu]

@@cadetcrockett2276 yeah.. all though I'd be impressed if anyone is still doing it, considering it has pretty much become redundant in the last 2/half years. I liked the game mainly for the game itself, it was fun and the mechanics were good.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

@Rasmus Tagu I’m playing it right now, lol.

[@cadetcrockett2276]

There’s also a few KZbinrs that still play it, such as A1getdismoney, Beast, RoundedTikTak, etc.

[@Guest-iy3tc]

Your tangent is for all the silent people out there that think the same

[@vladimirpronin7206]

Hi nerdSlayer, I am a big fan of the “death of a game” series a couple a days a go my favorite game franchise died with the death of a game called “Plants vs Zombies: Battle for Neighbourville” (it’s a third person hero shooter made by EA) the game only lived for less than a year (11 months) Have a good day and sorry for the non-existant punctuation :(

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

No problem and thanks for the suggestion 😁

[@vladimirpronin7206]

nerdSlayer Studios wow… I had no idea that you would actually reply, thanks man!

[@leonardopacei6955]

I think that BFN has failed because it was totally different from GW1 and GW2 people wanted another garden warfare game and they found what looked like a bad ripoff ti was slow paced and just worst than the older games. Anyway i liked some new features like the multiplayer carachters like the pace station and the tree they were pretty fun

[@vladimirpronin7206]

Leonardo Pacei I agree with every word you just said it’s a shame to see the pvz shooters die

[@Skumbanan16]

They fired the original plants vs zombies artist

[@sannyfolkesson2226]

i remember when the PVP mode came out and they said "its a temporary thing just to se how it works" and i said they will focus all assets on ti as everyone and their mothers wants pvp over campaign modes, none believed me...

[@defaultv.7959]

As a fan of your work and someone who watched Save The World grow up since 2014, it was heart breaking to see this video title.

[@ksaalpine339]

When creative was added they pushed half the save the world devs to creative and that's when the players of stw really saw epic really didn't care that there original game was done and that a new game mode was more important to them. It really shows that money talks

[@HelpIdkAGoodUser301]

Yeah :( the saddest part for me is when they straight up just added stw materials into br straight up and thst makes me so mad if kids who never played save the world are like :OMG NEW STUFF WOWOOWOWWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOOOOWWWWWW And I see that and think to save the world then get infuriated :(

[@MrDorkbot]

Hold up, you're telling me the people who made Painkiller worked on fortnite? man what a waste of talent. Good thing they broke free of tencent and their puppet tim.

[@eval_is_evil]

Oh my god I totally forgot that game (I know it's blasphemous to admit that). What a game huh ? Insane gigantic bosses, kickass weapons ...and fun combat. They need to revive this game. A remake or something.

[@deboss9004]

Almost two years later and Epic still hasn't really done a lot with it, not even update it to include mechanics which exist in BR. All those of us founders really just helped BR to then be forgotten, it sucks.

[@christianardinazo1012]

I remember seeing every trailer of StW and being amazed like just wow. I can't wait to play this game and then BR came along and it turned to this fiesta.

[@MindlessFire]

I'm making that phone call now! Epic Games is now secretly developing a new game mode for Fortnite that rips off Fall Guys!

[@VTDlonely]

thats beliveable,... uncreative shitstains

[@ShibuNub3305]

Wouldn’t be surprised tbh

[@AverageSynth]

They already did it for crazy taxi

[@theultimatemightygoku3570]

That's Creative for you

[@Ivan14XYU]

@@VTDlonely fortnite bad please laugh

[@Dja05]

Man, that's a shame... I never cared about the BR mode, spent hundreds of hours in the base game and still play it somewhat regularly...

[@Kenji000]

If you still play, did they ever finish story? I quit after the 2nd Halloween event burned us all with that grind

[@Dja05]

@@Kenji000 nope :/, the last area is still just random objectives.

[@AmideusTV]

One thing I never see people talk about is the Founder Rewards and the sign that something might be wrong. I myself was a founder and bought the Legendary tier. I loved STW. But over time I started to feel like I was being leeched off of by the game company. People talk about the grind and the time sinks for STW and the llamas, but something I rarely see brought up is that the founder packs offered llamas too. A LOT of them. However they were given to you like an advent calendar, where you only unlocked certain llamas on certain time intervals. So you could spend almost 300 dollars on founder rewards and STILL have to wait months for all your rewards to be given to you. And that's just insane to think about now.

[@greysonmiller9407]

I remember when I saw early footage of fortnite. My dad and I were pretty interested because of the hilarity and fun that could ensue from desperately protecting an objective with improvised structures. Still had fun in the BR, but I wish the Save the World portion would have been fully realized.

[@JPOG7TV]

The original fortnite could have been a good game. After playing the battle royale when it first came out, i found it really fun but as a person who isn’t a fan of multiplayer games, it didn’t stick. Then I saw that fornite was a pve game originally and that made me very intrigued. I already liked the way it played so it was very appealing. I didn’t end up playing it but the interest was still there since I believed that they could eventually make it free or offer a demo for people to try. Also believed if they would add the stuff they did for the battle royale, Many of the new things the battle royale has gotten has been meet with criticism due to throwing game balance out of the window. An issue that doesn’t really exist in pve games. Like just imagine killing zombies while flying planes or using mechs etc. It sounds fun to me. However Epic has disappointed people once again. Right now fortnite’s community is deteriorating and the apple lawsuit isn’t helping as people are feeling used by the company to fight another big corporation just to get their game back. Most that’s left are kids and new comers who don’t know better. Such a shame.

[@Disciple_JK]

Dude, come on. The community has been "deteriorating" since Season 7, and yet it's still one of, if not the biggest game in the world. And "new comers who don't know better" sounds like you're calling people fucking delusional for not sharing your opinions on something they don't have to care about.

[@lennylalamba5366]

Could have? It is a good game, also its free to play ;)

[@JPOG7TV]

SpringyPlush64 being one of the biggest games in the world doesn’t mean much when it’s mostly children playing the game. They don’t care about a game’s quality or how it respects their time. Epic can’t improve and change their games if their audience aren’t old or intellectually capable to give criticism or suggestions. And yeah, people are delusional if they are supporting epic during this lawsuit. Epic is trying to make their current community rebel against Apple. A multi billion dollar corporation using its users as a way to fight another multi billion dollar corporation. It’s not a small issue. They have to be delusional or at least children if they don’t realise that. Ignoring the current situation is what makes these big companies take advantage of people like you.

[@JPOG7TV]

James King I said Original Fortnite. The Save the World game, not the battle royale. Save the World isn’t free either. I have played the battle royale but I couldn’t care less about it. Was fun a few times but preferred Save the World over it.

[@colmoe]

I remember having a friend buying a Fortnite 4-pack deal and giving me one of the copies. I remember him asking my first reaction and I called it "Minecraft, with guns and a slapstick cartoon style." The style reminded me of Dead Island crossed with TF2, and it kind of grew on me. The guns were pretty decent, the concept of building a base made you have to work together, and pickaxing your way Red Faction-style through a house never got old. We saw BR releasing and I laughed it off, since they already stole Minecraft's idea for zombie tower defense, and now they were going to take MC Hunger Games. Haven't watched this video, but I know it'll hurt.

[@alumlovescake]

How the hell is that a minecraft ripoff

[@alumlovescake]

Minecraft didn't create TD or zombies Minecraft isn't even a TF

[@Erik_Scott]

I love the art style of this game so much, but the worlds feel dead (ironically) and like its missing something. could you imagine how cool going around the br map in stw would be?

[@bbones504]

Loot box drama and lack of storyline killed the game. The community was actually strong in the first two years. I was a original founders pack owner. Met so many people I played with daily for years and then got bored in Canny. I went to BR full time and never returned. I still miss how much this game forced you to make friends other players.

[@fenrirwolfbone9714]

Honestly regret paying for it with how badly they've treated it. All we got where bows, bows and more bows for months

[@juanangarita8058]

Yeah. It still works as a vbuck farm tho

[@mr.p215]

You forgot bows.

[@BelowRock]

We had no one to save the world, that’s why we got 2020

[@hatemeldmerdash585]

Instead we have oMg tHe AvNger cAst Are nOw skiNs

[@cadetcrockett2276]

@lorem the epic gamer Ikr, they’re just milking BR, and neglecting STW.

[@zidanhyethecowboy9019]

Remind me of gta5 online

[@cadetcrockett2276]

@Oliver McGrath There is a story in StW, although it was cancelled beyond Canny Valley.

[@mr.preston1632]

this is the only 2020💩 meme that I enjoy

[@XabraxasX91]

One of the few channels that I can watch every single 20+ min video and not lose interest. Keep up the good work man!

[@simonwhittlebone9983]

Coming back to this, it’s really depressing to think that STW will be forgotten entirely. Everyone will associate the word “Fortnite” with “Battle Royale.” The Storm won’t be remembered as a mysterious global event that wiped out nearly all human life on Earth, but as what kept you moving to stay in the safe zone. Ramirez, Jonsey, and all the other heroes of Homebase won’t be remembered as characters with unique personalities, but as “default skins.” The Storm King won’t be remembered as a boss in STW, but as a Halloween event in the other game mode. All the development the team put into the game over the years and constant reassurance and promises...for nothing. Sucks to suck.

[@that0nebr075]

Sometimes, the hard truth hurts. And that truth is that we handed over our money, and in return got shoved into a closet to be slowly forgotten.

[@Label07]

I want my money back Epic...bought into Fortnite when it first came out and that money was put into BR mode. Yet another reason I will never support your launcher (refuse to even pick up free games)

[@Watson2108]

Label07 It is better than Steam though if we‘re being honest. It is much more organized and easier to find what you are looking for. Steam games are better but its shitty crap side menus are hella annoying

[@stephcannon2106]

Just take the free games so they run out of stock...this is a joke

[@bobisnotaperson]

@@Watson2108 you don't use steam for it's ui lmao

[@Watson2108]

Don't sub. It is not allowed. No excuse for them not to improve it. It‘s utter trash and they definitely have the funds to do so

[@cadetcrockett2276]

Wait, it goes to BR?! Here I was purchasing their new bundles and Founder’s packs, just for BR to get the funding?!

[@0KJaye]

All Save the world had to do, Was use a *BIG* Map either from BR or a more dense City. Have the world be persistent, let you build a base the way you want to & where you want to, & Have us scavaging throughout a dangerous world. Including *Base* *Defense* , *Looting* , *Building* , *Eating* , *Sneaking* , *Progressing* , & *Surviving* ... How they made it so much more complicated is beyond me.

[@ultradolp1335]

As someone who has only played the BR mode of Fortnite and have never heard about Save the World, it is sad to hear the story of the game. Save the world sounds very interesting of a blend between survival, co-op and tower defense mechanic like building your own fortress. When I play the Battle Royale side I always wonder there is so much potential of the building system and traps when most people just uses it to bridge across or building bunch of walls. It is understandable for Epic to switch focus on the BR mode since that is making a lot of bucks, but I feel like there is a good potential of STW being a wonderful game for a niche audience that appreciates such kind of unique experience. I probably would have enjoyed the STW more given its unique take on the concepts

[@evanallen855]

Instead of "the death of a video game" is should be "the absolute destruction of a company"

[@Disciple_JK]

Epic Games is doing perfectly fine right now, and they have been since Battle Royale's launch.

[@rengokuwithagun1864]

@One Eye King Lol

[@Wammyve]

@@Disciple_JK You literally didn't even understand the comment lol

[@Bwaarone]

@@Wammyve Can you explain? I don't think I understand

[@Wammyve]

@@Bwaarone OP stated that it should be "the absolute destruction of a company" instead. Then this other dude said that Ebin Games is doing better than ever as a company due to their BR game. However, that's not what OP meant. What OP meant was that Epic Games went from being cool and humanly decent game devs to greedy doucebags who spat in the hands that fed them. Those hands were people supporting StW over BR. Epic stopped trying with StW and just threw in the towel after years and years of working on it just to focus on BR only. Also they've been milking tf out of BR to keep people from leaving the game/to try and get more players.

[@hummingvoid7824]

I remember when I heard about the news of Save the World. I'm actually quite interested in the game, and I like the artstyle. Who would've thought that this game would change directions drastically?

[@DaBroheimer]

I feel like the real reason it never went free was people can just earn the v-bucks in save the world then just go to Battle Royale and just buy it that way.

[@BM03]

Not only was it a relatively unique AND fun experience, but the writing and acting was some damn great humor. RIP Ray. The commander will miss you forever, friend.