Neural DSP Mesa MkIIc+ Plugin - Does It Master The Puppets Using Rasmussen's Studio Notes

[@shure81]

They should sponsor you. I would not have bought this without hearing from the man that NAILS every tone haha

[@danymalsound]

Agreed! This is the first demo of this plug I've seen that actually showcased chugging... come on people! haha

[@ctcm]

Agreedx2. Please @NeuralDSP take into consideration how many of us buy/will buy this plugin based on this absolutely fantastic review.

[@runxzze123]

I agree love this channel

[@-DHR4870]

Agreed

[@guitarofdestiny]

Definitely

[@skullkrusher4418]

Lamb, as someone who loves these old metallica tones as much as you do, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you making videos like this and showing the world all sorts of different ways to get close to those amazing classic sounds. You've got great ears for the sound and your playing does it justice. Great work as always.

[@chug5362]

Wow I'm surprised how close that got. The ++ second skin is a mod done to the IIC+ that adds a bit more gain. It's a mod Hetfield did for Puppets/Justice/Black.

[@chug5362]

@@5150forevermore That would make sense. After my comment I tried the plugin out and those settings weren't working for me on the ++.

[@mvyper]

Can I get the link to the Facebook page?

[@Just_JoshE]

@@mvyper Dude same lmao

[@kingnothing2161]

​@@5150forevermore link to that group? I would love some info on the load/reload era to help chase that tone

[@pip5528]

The "1 and 2" described are actually the IIC+ and IIC++ respectively. The ++ has more gain and I have heard Hetfield mainly used that rather than the single plus.

[@jamestorrisi8852]

From a fellow Aussie thanks for reviewing this awesome plugin and giving it one of your esteemed Tone tests!

[@ak1969]

You really are a master of tones. I really like how well you explain all the detail when you are building those great tones. Keep them coming mate!

[@fatal-et]

You're the only person able me to convince to buy this plugin, having this fantastic ear for classic thrash. Cheers from Canberra

[@CSCRECORDSBC]

Bought it the day it came out and boy it doesn’t disappoint. Did a session with it last 2 days, brutal guitar tones.

[@TheHolyLoomis]

This is quickly becoming my favorite Neural plugin, and this Puppets tone is bang on! Would love to see you attempt to get AJFA's tone out of it as well!

[@BigMuff75]

I can second that. AJFA would be bonkers!

[@gentelmanjunkie542]

Yes please. Best tone ever recorded on tape. Would love to know if the plug in has that kinda juice.

[@truckguy3]

lol bang on? You guys need your hearing checked. It sounds good, but that is nowhere near the puppets tone.

[@trus0und]

Insane how close this sounds. We are truly spoilt these days with tones and plugins! Awesome video :D

[@paolosanchez5656]

Ever since the plug-in came out I’ve just waiting for your reaction, great man !

[@RahduDrahkqul75]

Happy 37" Joyous Anniversary Master of Puppets. Enjoyed the video. Interesting to go through the notes and go through the settings. Having a listen in and seeing What gave them that sound.

[@jimyounger9490]

Awesome as usual. So glad you’re back on you tube. I don’t think I could ever understand tones like you do. Amazing.

[@JoelCSabo]

Every video you post reinforces my gratitude that you came back to us for now. Thank you for being a human who helps.

[@iRemainNameless]

LambChopper, thank your for sharing your knowledge of dialing in this tone. It's fantastic.

[@al23x56]

Priceless! Loving your vids every time! If you get your hands on Fractal - it would be great to see you building tones. I don't think anyone I've seen to-date can get the sounds spot on like you do!

[@nothingheretowatch7371]

Man you are The Big Four in one person, I would pay money to see you play live, Hi from Berlin :)

[@pablocacaster]

ff god damit i love your channel thanks for coming back

[@astrozombie2000]

Awesome, thanks Lamb for covering this plugin and nailing that classic Metallica tone again. I've had it for a couple of days now and absolutely love it.

[@bobsmith12345]

great ear! also respect for not being one of the 1000 youtubers doing a sponsored vid for neural atm

[@CharlieNaebeck]

Have not played electric in some time sadly, yet your playing reminds me of the first day I got my hands on Master of Puppets and cranked it on my portable cassette player in the back of the family station wagon somewhere on vacation. Makes me want to pick up another electric at some point. Thanks for the memories and great playing, man! 🤘🏻

[@victorbicudo1374]

so much better than ANY of the sponsored videos.

[@TimSterling1981]

Great job, and extra kudos to you for using a Duncan-loaded Jackson for the sound test, as James recorded a lot of Puppets with his Jackson King V that had Duncans in it at the time, and not the EMGs that most people seem to automatically go to when going for the Puppets rhythm tone.

[@Maulmota]

You are convincing me to buy this. You really nailed the tone!

[@ferrandor8306]

God Damn! the moment you play the first note sounded exactly lika a mkiic+ im genuinely impressed

[@Colakaktus]

Just downloaded the demo and played around for abit. I own a Mark III black stripe which is very close to a mark IIC+ and the plugin sounds insanely good. It's the exact same sound without having to worry about burning your expensive tubes. Will definitely be buying this.

[@av3nger3]

Hey man! I got a Mark III red. I just bought this plugin today.

[@gb1174]

im so curious, how does the palm muting feel? does it feel “digital” on the plugin or does it feel chuggy and tight as in a real amp?

[@Colakaktus]

@@gb1174 If you set everything up correctly its very good. You can get some insanely tight sounds and the Mark series of amps are generally pretty easy to setup since there is really only one way to set it up to sound good. You have to understand that its not the same as running an amp in the room through a 4x12 but more listening to a recording of an amp in a room through a 4x12.

[@Arthur1976]

Great job!!!a very useful demonstration of this plugin with accurate tone

[@coalfacechris1336]

Hi LC, another appreciative Aussie. Man that sounds killer (the pilot has a lot to do with that). My daughter misses the birds.

[@NickLee99]

I have a maths professor at university that’s a lot like you sir. I spend all day learning theory from him and spend all night learning about tones from you. Thanks for the vids!

[@ColdAscending]

Awesome stuff as always LambChopper. Grateful that you're back and doing well!

[@Doctorslosh]

I'm guessing the different "skins" represent the two variants of the Mark2. There was the C+, and the coveted C++. I haven't had a chance to try the demo yet, but if it's the case, they should dial in a little differently. There was a tweak to the gain stage or sum-such in the originals.

[@sgjackson64]

this is correct

[@DarthV506]

Yep!

[@fromaggio7654]

which is which?

[@sgjackson64]

@@fromaggio7654 the number of pluses in the amp name are on the amp selection buttons

[@1badsteed]

@@fromaggio7654 ++ is the C++

[@HaitIsHere]

It's remarkable how well they have simulated the amp and perfect review for the product

[@SilverPaladin]

I installed the demo of this and I have to say I am really digging it! Been able to get pretty much any tone I need for the songs I am learning!

[@AllThingsMan]

You definitely nailed that tone and thankfully you have the chops too to demo it.

[@truckguy3]

You really think that tone was “nailed” ? Really? I’m not knocking the tone as a whole, but it sure as hell ain’t puppets. He could get ALOT closer changing a few things ( the IR being one of them). Seriously, go listen to the record and then listen to this again, and tell me it’s “nailed”.

[@monsterk7603]

Dude! Highest quality content, as always. Keep em coming brotha!

[@demanu]

I was hoping for someone to show this software, glad its you mate, cheers!

[@TheShaggyD.A.]

This is amazing Lambchopper!!! Thank you so much! You are a badass player! I really enjoy your videos, especially the Metallica and Megadeth ones!!!

[@myronmosley2167]

They were also using EMG 81 pickups on that album. I’m sure the natural compression and timbre of those active pickups play a part in that slight variation of tone you had to dial in after following his notes to get there.

[@numbersabcdefg]

Dude, I've never fallen asleep from excitement

[@DavidMiller212]

I used the ++ with a Marshall impulse response along with dialing in on the 9 band EQ to really nail the MoP tone

[@matthewmp111]

How do you have the 9 band set, if I may ask?

[@nickx1754]

Dude, very impressive!! I've seen a few demos of this plugin and this is my favorite so far.

[@sergejkrynycky728]

There is a preset called "Metal up your!" in this plugin. Instant Metallica. Closest tone to And Justice For All and Master Of Puppets I have ever played. Desperately trying to recreate it in my Quad Cortex now. :D

[@LambChopper678]

I’ll have to check it out 🤘🏻

[@sergejkrynycky728]

@@LambChopper678 Maybe worth filming your reaction to it even.

[@1badsteed]

@@LambChopper678 please post a vid of that!

[@DeathPenny]

Dude they have IIc+ and the IIc++ - My understanding is the IIc++ is the "Hetfield Mod" - Im gonna have to check this thing out! Great Vid Man!

[@stevemoore6349]

Love your playing fella..well done

[@tencentpistol]

can you share your MESA presets for the plugin? great job. amazing playing, and amazing ear for TONES!

[@Rocksite1]

If you'll notice, his mid is a lot lower than than on the 5-band EQ in Rasmussen's notes; so I would refer to them. Also, it seems the ++ was the right model to go with. However, unless you have a new angle on it (e.g. a tribute band, different settings, fx, etc.), the thing about amps is to make your own sound.

[@pizzalord6890]

Wow that sounds great

[@afxwinter]

Wow, love the tone and the playing!

[@ardaertan1978]

You are the number 1 amateur metal guitarist here on youtube. Great resoect from 🇹🇷

[@j_c_93]

They used a Marshall cabinet that most likely had G12-T75s, so if you use a Marshall IR, you might come closer.

[@dominik4614]

Yes. You need this cabs to Sound like mop. A Time ago I played my Diezel Einstein through a 60s 240watt Marshall cab.. dropped the mids and there was the mop Sound..

[@j_c_93]

@@dominik4614 Yeah. Speakers are such a huge part of guitar tone. Maybe even 50% or more.

[@pipespeeps5349]

The cabinet is a very big part of the sound

[@barry3045]

loves this, as i live way up north, and there isnt any music or guitar stores , a Neural DSP might be the way to go . I thought u nailed the tone right at the start ! sounds great as always, cheers.

[@Ningishzidd4]

I downloaded and started a 2 week trial, after about 2 mins I was sold. It's that good.

[@affiliatedx3]

You inspired me to get my Katana's out of Moth Balls. good work as usual, i am a big fan of your work.

[@mfmishere]

Thank you for this. You've just sold this plugin to many of us.

[@joshfredr7846]

Awesome. Loved the video and thank you so much for sharing this info with us !

[@GeoffSweet]

Chopper FTW! Nice work mate!

[@oddlifestyle]

I’ve seen many Mark IIC+ plugins and have used a couple, this is the video I’ve been wanting to see! Using mine I’ve even wondered how accurate is it to the notes

[@Fiction_Supreme]

Now you gotta layer some recordings to get that massive sound!

[@heizae23]

This is such great help! Thx from Germany

[@widow10rr31]

@LambChopper678 the ++ is the c2++ with more gain. Should do a video on that..

[@panos666]

dude, awesome work! keep it up!

[@diegoleiva7242]

You got very close, but the Seymour Duncan Invader bridge pickup has a very unique attack that just screams MOP in my experience. You should get yourself that pickup and give it a go.

[@1badsteed]

Invader was a VERY hot pickup

[@fastabyss]

I got invaders in a korean goth epiphone and man does it just nail the tone. I never would have bought them just because Synster gates is the only guitars I knew when I got it that used em. My uncle gifted me this guitar and as soon as I plugged in I was like wow this sounds more like Metallica than my ibanez prestige with emgs. Wasnt until years later that I found out they used invaders early on. Just got this plugin and with some tweaks wow it sounds so Metallica its insane.

[@nckhed]

​@@fastabyss Why do people say "gifted" in place of "gave". If you're given something, it's a gift by default. It just sounds weird to say "gifted", and it's like everyone started saying it overnight.

[@JoseyStranded]

Great tone. Maybe a bit too much high end imo. The one thing they did was that they took the preamp out from the IIC+ and fed it into a Marshall JCM 800 power amp if I remember correctly. That would be EL34s instead of 6L6s. It makes a difference but nothing too dramatic.

[@Hurfdurflol]

much love bro

[@DeAn-1977]

I thought i had enough of these very cool Neural DSP Stuff (7 !), but here we go, just watched your vid and you nailed it, can't get enough of this classic Metallica Sound and will try to figure out a AJFA Sound, love this Album, can't do anything more than click on "buy now", thanks a lot for that!😎🤟🏻

[@mohitrahaman]

was waiting someone would sure do this

[@ryanandrews5379]

Another Chug-filled video from @lambchopper678 - thanks from Perth mate!!

[@derekpappalardo6809]

You should also try ML Sound Lab Fluff2CP mate!

[@imacashew.]

I like the way you blended the split screens together. 👌🏻 I might have to steal that. Haha

[@07dhiraj]

Neural Dsp , ML Sound Labs , STL tones are 3 big players tht have really pushed up the expectations of amp sim industry !!💐💐👌👌👍👍☺️

[@arronsondrini380]

That’s killer, great job :)

[@georgeestremera1464]

Great Job!!!! You nailed it, IMO!!

[@RichardGarcia93]

DAMN that’s pretty spot on!

[@giorgosk2884]

They used Marshall 1960b cab with t75s or 65s for MOP. The mesa v30s was for Justice and on.

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

Nothing replaces hardware, but its amazing to hear how far plugins came in mimicing the color and behaviour of real deal.

[@mylogify]

I have a feeling, they will be even closer in some years, it will just be like the real amp.... Like how far games went throughout the years.

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

@@mylogify I`m not too sure , cause i waited myself 20 years for that to happend and its still not too close, but it will eventually came to that point yes, but not any time soon. Probably about next 10+ years.

[@CreateArtRecords]

Ey man, you inspired me. I also played many many Years. But i didnt had the Money to find out what i am looking for soundwise. I was stick on my old nice POD XT IOI. But hey man, Time has changed. Neural realy got the Thing out. Now i like to play all the "Beginner" Stuff from the old Days, and it makes realy, realy fun. And you got a very distinct Drive on your playing too. Cool.

[@Juicexlx]

Battery sound on 1st try. Of course, there's no bass nor 2nd guitar, but yeah. It's very close to the Metallica pocket for the albums 2 & 3. Surprisingly good and I'm not a Mesa fan. The MK5 is the exception and up here in Canuckistan, the few used ones that pop-up are so expensive that you might have to sell your car, so a good plugin is dope. Thank you for the rad demo

[@zakeyzakiah3759]

TQ freand. Thanks this info. Teknik sounds good. 😎

[@thursfield3107]

great technical analysis of the sound at the time - Celestion 12" speakers?

[@ganole24]

Only video of the plug in that nails the tone. I'd love to hear an attempt at the Black Album tone. I've tried myself but there's a certain mid frequency that's hard to dial in, it sounds like it's a slight boost around 1.2 but I'd love to hear your version of it. Great job

[@LambChopper678]

It is a tough one, I ended up blending an IR with a 57. There’s a few Metallica IR’s floating around. On their own they’re a little much but sound ok blended

[@Deano.1978]

Having access to the sound eng's hand written setup notes from the original album is fuckin outta this world awesome.

[@gerrydaly5409]

Nice work - sounds great

[@mchaux1989]

Your tone kicks ass

[@Spider._.dust_music]

Sounds amazing 🔥🔥🔥

[@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio]

That sounds damn good!

[@BigKevvysv1000]

Lambchopper 🤘🎸🔊🎼

[@adam872]

That's pretty damn close and in a mix would sound excellent.

[@calebhoyle9371]

I can't even make this up the first thing I did when I downloaded the plugin was pull up the production notes and started trying to match thr puppets tone. Haven't watched the video yet but I'm excited to see how close you get!

[@michaelbarber590]

FYI - The black amp is the regular Mark IIC+, as used on the Master Of Puppets album. The blonde amp is the Mark IIC++ that was modified and used by Metallica for the And Justice For All [and The Black] albums.

[@JoseyStranded]

I think the majority of the Black album guitar tone is ADA MP-1 preamp. This here (from 0:45) is a superb example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppO6lZ5oo9Kfl80

[@1siriuswolf]

Hella close! Cheers from the states

[@ryanschindler923]

Neural just killing it again and again

[@muriloninja]

Does it match MoP sound? YES!!!!

[@alko27]

Thank you!

[@nathanhunter1468]

that sounds like the album 100%. i wish they would go back to that tone again

[@TwiztedJugallo]

Pretty impressive.

[@iwannarockon2010]

I'd sure say so 🤘

[@B3n85_]

Hey! Just kind of discovered you and I also am absolutely in love with the A..JFA guitar tone and think it’s the greatest tone of all time. I heard you mention needing something else to reach that tone on this plugin? Is there any way you could make a video of you attempting to recreate the Justice tone with this??

[@Brandons_Heavy_Riffs]

Sounds spot on. If only we knew what speakers were loaded in the cab when they recorded it…

[@nineshalldie2897]

If you mean Puppets it was G12T-75 speakers

[@LambChopper678]

Flemming can’t remember the cabs. They had so many and swapped them around too much.

[@nineshalldie2897]

@@LambChopper678 He remembered to note that they were 300W cabinets. He even wrote down the serial numbers on the two cabs they used. A 300W JCM 800 cab in 1985 could only be G12T-75 speakers. I have a 1960A cab with 75’s dated December 1984. Try those early British white label 75’s and you’ll know that’s the speakers.

[@Brandons_Heavy_Riffs]

@@nineshalldie2897 like lambchopper said they did swap speakers to get the tones they wanted. While your information is accurate, there will never be any real answer to that question. Mic placement is huge as well. So many factors of the unknown. Maybe one day someone will remember lol

[@Brandons_Heavy_Riffs]

@@LambChopper678 it’s a bummer man

[@-DHR4870]

sweeeeeeeeet - just dialled it in. Saved preset under 'Lambchopper Master'. (Guitar on lead setting) Knobs all at 10

[@FPGC]

I think we own the exact same Jackson V. Is yours the Japan model?

[@LambChopper678]

Yep ‘08

[@FPGC]

@@LambChopper678 Awesome. Mine is the '08 as well. Interesting.

[@artean4700]

Sounds great and close to the puppets tone for sure. Perhaps a tad too bright and clean in the low mid. Moving the mic a bit more off center might bring it even closer.