NEW $40,000 Rolex Submariner vs $4,000 Tudor Black Bay 58

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[@jonathanharris2558]

I'm 50 years old and I remember as a boy coveting the Sub 1680 with its top hat crystal. The whole design seemed so smooth, like a polished pebble, and the very shallow rehaut made the face stand out, but uniform with the lines of the case. The newer subs seem squarer, the face deep-set like the old fakes used to be, and too shiny. As soon as I could, I bought a 1680 single red of 1971 vintage. I love it. As a daily, I bought a BB58 in blue; there is so much in common with the 1680, and of course the old French Navy sub that I also loved. Great video!

[@TucsonDude]

Does it have the exterior spring pin holes in the case?

[@jonathanharris2558]

@@TucsonDude The 1680 does have the exterior holes in the case. It was designed as a tool watch, and the holes make it easy to change the bracelet.

[@TucsonDude]

@@jonathanharris2558 Agreed. I don't see why Rolex considered it an upgrade to remove the exterior holes. I like your term calling it a "tool watch". Remember the NATO strap like James Bond wore on his?

[@A5_AD]

What is your opinion on the black bay 54?

[@jonathanharris2558]

@@A5_AD I haven't tried the BB54 TBH, but I guess having the choice of sizes to suit your wrist size is great. Being a child of the 70's I never really bought into the whole big watch thing, and I'm glad that the trend seems to be shifting towards subtlety nowadays. It's probably why I never really liked modern subs...too shiny and too bulky.

[@walkerb1734]

As the owner of both watches, I can honestly say I’d choose the BB58 if forced to keep only one. There’s just something unpretentious yet supremely elegant about the Tudor. Whereas I always feel somewhat apologetic when wearing the Rolex.

[@drgeek100]

I agree, I would love to own one...but even $4000 is too much for me unfortunately.

[@Essenence]

@@drgeek100you can find the Tudor for just over 3k, bought mine for $3033

[@tonyga5]

Do you miss not having a Date on the BB58 ?

[@walkerb1734]

@@tonyga5 Good question. Being honest….yes, sometimes I do miss a date complication. As much as a date window messes up the symmetry of a dial, it is useful.

[@geeseboy1]

You ain't got both 😂

[@ErikL727]

I'm a small business owner that works with other small businesses. Rolex has become something that sends the wrong message, and attracts violent attention to boot. Tudor, Omega, Breitling etc. all deliver enjoyment and a touch of class without being gaudy.

[@pinkbono]

Same here, small EU business owner, the Rolex sends definitely the wrong message. Depending on the client, I'm wearing a Cartier Tank, a Tudor North Flag, a Sinn 556 mop S, or a Seiko Alpinist, but definitely never a Rolex, people would be starring at it and eventually question my incomes. If those watches are probably good for top business, they are counter productive at my modest level.

[@johnmuthan286]

Same here (France) . Depending on the customer I visit I will pick one brand or another, but sure rolex would send the wrong message, which is strange when you think about it, my 14060 costed me less than my cartier santos I just got, but the Santos blends much better and doesn't attack that much attention

[@avarmauk]

I see your point and it is valid. But important to note that Rolex makes better watches than almost everyone in that RRP price range. The issue is the hype and the grey market prices, which I do believe is not entirely Rolex’s fault. But I do agree with your point. I have a rolex Pepsi, but also two BB58s. I find if I want to be more relatable, wear a nice watch, but not attract attention. Then I almost always wear my Tudor’s or Omega. I don’t think I will buy another rolex ever again, but I will keep mine until it’s ready to be passed down.

[@wristroll_vlad]

@@avarmauk Fact 1: Rolex at RPP is a wet dream. Fact 2: within their rpp price range Omega and JLC make technically superior watches. Fact 3: Rolex is not a high-horology brand and has not contributed to horology with anything significant.

[@ESW206]

Attracts attention cuz it’s the supreme watch.

[@golfbuddy1969]

I have a Submariner Hulk and this BB58 blue, and love them both. And for different reasons. The BB does remind you of a time long past. No one asks me if it’s real. No one says “nice watch”…only I know it a nice watch. And I’m great with that.

[@KevAlberta]

I work in a mountain equipment store and a customer came in wearing a Tudor. I said btw nice Tudor man. He let me try it on :) I didn’t even ask. That was awesome

[@golfbuddy1969]

@@KevAlberta awesome. I have had a few “watch people” notice it and comment. But not your normal person on the street….

[@redcapote4760]

The Hulk is my dream watch. I managed to get many different Rolex sports models at retail, but never the Hulk.

[@golfbuddy1969]

@@redcapote4760 a nice story- it took me 8 years to get to a bonus level at work, that allowed me to get it. I ordered it from an AD, and in 10 months they called and said it was in. The AD told me that I wasn’t the next customer in line for it, but whoever was, when they found out it was my bonus, and my first Rolex ever, that other customer told the AD that I could take that one, and they’d wait for the next. I thought that was awesome.

[@balazsracsko1682]

I love the BB58 for the same, doesn't attract too much attention but I still know it's got killer specs and superb comfort. I just don't like the way a Rolex changes people's behavior towards you - in either positive or negative direction. For me watches are not status symbols but brilliant pieces of engineering.

[@meiyoumayo1580]

I enjoy listening to these reviews. Nit only is it a feast for the eyes, but also a symphony for the ears. My compliments to whoever writes the script, it is a well done piece of fine art.

[@rutgerv.6050]

Yeah I have a bromance with his voice too🤣

[@astonmartin4360]

"Nit only"?

[@tojassargaja2085]

He is talking about watches like he is going to do something inappropriate with them after the video is done. :D

[@meiyoumayo1580]

@@astonmartin4360 hahaha…fat fingers small phone keyboard🤣😂🤣

[@fVNzO]

It's a real damn shame the sound quality is so poor though. The script is indeed excellent. I am astounded that they're letting this slide and i will keep on complaining until something changes :P.

[@DavidDatura]

I’d go with the Tudor, but not this version. The original one with the black gilt dial and red bezel triangle. Love that watch!

[@trevorhoch3553]

Its a cracking watch! Snowflake fridays!!!

[@GK-rw2op]

yea..but the hands look way cooler on the Rolex

[@WatchUnwind]

That’s by far my favorite version of this watch

[@rho58]

I’m selfish and wear it (gilt version) on the wrist palm side to keep each cuff unveiling to myself.

[@trevorhoch3553]

@@rho58 greedy. I like it!!!

[@yotomoy9595]

Tudor offers the craftsmenship along with accessibility. Sure I'd love a subby, wouldn't most watch enthusiasts.. But i still smile when looking at the Black bb58 on my wrist after 2 years of daily wearing.

[@seveninchwrist2742]

"subby"? 😂

[@yotomoy9595]

@@seveninchwrist2742 you’ve obviously had a bad day my friend, so I’m glad I was able to provide you with some amusement! Have a great weekend 🤙🏼

[@laurencefahey3132]

Ditto my bb58 harrods edition is everything I need , absolutely love it , waiting for the crono reverse panda 🐼 now and I’m done 👍🏻

[@seveninchwrist2742]

@@yotomoy9595 😂😂😂😂 Subby 😂😂😂😂

[@robertlock6041]

@@grahamcarr17 I'm assuming that you left it at the dealer... Mine has been fine...

[@gardyloogubbins]

As someone who can afford neither, I enjoyed the pretty images but I'm happy with my Citizen Tough.

[@Pandybelly]

I have the Sub 114060 and the BB58 Blue. I would not part with either. I absolutely love both for many different reasons. The Tudor quality is far beyond the price charged.

[@balazsracsko1682]

I own this BB58 and couldn't be happier with it. For me it means having top performance and quality without the bling factor. It's still a marvel of engineering an I believe it's a bit of a bargain at that. It's also a really handsome watch with its subdued navy blue, matte dial, clean looks. It's so comfortable to wear as well, I've literally forgotten my other watches and been wearing this for the last 6 months every single day.

[@geoffwyness2645]

It’s a bit late in the day for me but I’ve changed my lifetime hobby,ie watches,most of my adult life I have spent acquiring,flipping,swapping,coveting mainly Rolex watches,then constantly worrying about scratching them,losing them,having them stolen,getting mugged etc.I have sold my entire collection over the past couple of years (15) mainly because I really dislike what Rolex has become as a brand,the whole “investment “ bullshit thing and the never ending crap on social media about this brand.Bought a G Shock Mudmaster for £600 and that’s it,free at last,one of the best things I have ever done especially seeing what the luxury watch market has become today.

[@johamu4]

I've never understood watch companies' pricing of gold watches. A gold watch has about 75g or 2.5 troy ounces of gold in it. At $1800/oz that is $4.5k of gold. And the watch costs $30k-ish more than the steel equivalent? So you pay 7x the market value of gold? Where is the appeal in that?

[@martinjn2920]

Nothing beats playing a LP, a relaxing experience. Now the Sub at $40k v the Tudor at $4k, Tudor wins hands down.

[@MLightstone]

Hands at ten and two, surely.

[@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive]

Submariner then: kept you from dying Submariner today: keeps you from diving

[@rho58]

They certainly accomplished a lot more with a lot less back then.

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[@porscheguy19]

I can only think of 2 reasons to buy a Rolex. 1) Because I want a Rolex. 2) Because I want people to see I have a Rolex. There are so many other watches just as good for less, there's literally no rational reason to buy one.

[@FrostBlackbird]

There's really no rational reason to buy a watch at all. We all have smart phones that will always tell more accurate time than these archaic machines. With that being said, we still buy them anyways haha

[@JG-qb9gd]

@@FrostBlackbird See thats not good thinking and I dont mean to be rude when saying it. However how many times have you ran out of battery on your phone? Or when it simply stops working or has issues etc. The watch is sustainable, requires no previous enegery cost than the one used for its manifacturing. It runs on kinetic energy and wont fail your because the battery is low or dead.

[@JG-qb9gd]

I've had the chance to down both (normal rolex sub) and I picked the BB58. There are so many great watches like you said. Omega for example worth a fraction of the price with arguably mor inovative complications and materials used such as ceramic dials done with lazer and for less. Right now rolex is a status symbol and as such is prices are unreal.

[@leeharding8306]

And then when people see you wearing it a nasty chav beats your head in and steals it 🤦🏻‍♂️ the joy of Rolex 😬

[@JoaoBatista-ou3tf]

It honestly depends, the Explorer 214270 is my daily and i also have a BB58. Both are under the radar watches and equally worn by me. Nobody cares or realizes im wearing a Rolex (neither I want to, if I did id buy a blue DJ with fluted bezel)

[@savariaxa]

Still have my Rolex submariner from the early 1980’s and running great again after recent service 😉 love the vintage ones more !

[@Spyboy256]

Where did you get your Submariner servjiced?

[@kevinparker461]

5 digit sub is my favourite, & love any Tudor.

[@JamesAlexander14]

I’d go with the Tudor all the way. At least it’s available when you want to buy it, but I have to admit grudgingly that the Rolex has more visual impact, if you like that sort of thing...

[@balthus9265]

Both are an evolution from the original submariner, diverging to focus on different consumers. The white gold sub as a obvious modern luxury watch and the BB58 the go to watch for the enthusiasts with a taste for vintage pieces. That being said both are beautiful watches and I would own both if I could.

[@derekwarner6898]

The art of watchmaking countered with the art of words, great listening!!

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[@AlfredoRGuillen]

If you are fifty or more....probably you will choose the Tudor and its retro look as a reminder of what Rolex used to be....if you are fifty or less is very likely you will choose the Tudor as new generations are minimalistic, more simple, more practical and yes...more intelligent when searching for quality and value proposals. Now, if you are a rapper, an artist or a professional basketball player you know the answer...

[@woolleypants1]

Still the best watch channel out there. Love this guys knowledge, presentation, footage and voice

[@carzakone333]

Wait a minute... @4:36 the Rolex logo inside does not line up with 12 marker???!

[@bsa18599]

I've had the Black Bay blue bezel 41mm for 18 months, the accuracy is +/- 2 seconds a week consistently. I just couldn't be bothered to wait 3-5 years for a Sub.

[@chickentomato9584]

+/- 2 seconds a week or a day

[@evh4611]

I am on a waiting list for the 58, black dial. I totally moved on from Rolex. Right now i am into Omega, Grand Seiko and i hope, Tudor soon.

[@shaneheg]

I’ve a black dial and even after 15 months it finds new ways to catch the light and impress me. The gilt just gives it such life. Hopefully you’ll not be waiting too long and get to enjoy it soon.

[@mightbesherwood1313]

There's a waiting list for the 58? Here we go again.

[@Watchnerd123]

@@mightbesherwood1313 Yes… Iam from Germany and its almost Impossible to get one with the bracelet…I ordered a BB58 last summer for my birthday in March…. I showed up a few weeks ago and my AD was like :“Sorry, but you have to wait until end of 2022 because of the christmas costumer’s..“ …wtf. I waited 8 months for nothing!!! I went to the another AD and he sold me one with a Nato strap… no waitlist!

[@amangrayfilms1538]

I bought a Rolex from AD in 2017. I bought a Tudor Jan 2022. Both watches are beautiful. Tudor wrist watch is well built too.

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[@michaeladams9744]

Thanks for the great videos. Question: what Camera and lens do you use for the close up views. Thanks a lot in advance.

[@kingsleycy3450]

I think someone upstairs has gotten a bit desensitized as to how much $40,000 is to commoners.

[@Guitarorpheo]

Chalk and cheese. And both utterly uninteresting. 40k for a Rolex? Please. Get me a GO+Zenith+JLC+Blancpain for the price of this piece of physical inflation.

[@oleg274]

Exactly and all of these watches are equal or better quality than Rolex 🤨

[@LockheedMartinF22Raptor7]

$40k for a undecorated movement too.

[@Guitarorpheo]

@@oleg274 they are indeed. Seriously, it's no contest unless you café about resale value and I don't care about that at all. I care about horology and quality and when I see the amazing finishing of a glashutte original, the insane engineering of the ElPrimero, the providence of BP or the technical expertise of JLC, why the hell should I spend 40k when i can get all four of those? Or one of the new AP Royal Oak Chronos? My god. I'm not a Royal oak fan at all, but the 2022 editions look so, so, so damn tasty. Sorry. 40k for a rolex?! With movements as pedestrian as Nike Air Max in McDonald's?! Please. No.

[@MrRoyck10]

As an owner of two post 2003 Rolex and one Tudor there is no huge difference except in the area of refinement of the aesthetic design that fails to justify the premiums of the Rolex which is now a fashion watch. Tudor is for those in the know who do not want to pay the premium or simply can’t afford the premium and / or the waiting time of Rolex.

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[@GTeaO]

with 40k there is a ton of better watches than the submariner

[@hammalamiri12]

Price in most part is for heft grey gold bracelet / solid case back that you don't get on many precious metal watches

[@andrewm9669]

For 40k there is better things to buy than a watch, but i have this Blue sub, and I love it.

[@golfbuddy1969]

It’s $10k in steel

[@morten170]

I like rolex, but totaly agree

[@wukillah]

@@andrewm9669 absolutely right. There is no rationale for luxury goods prices. If you bring reason, then you wouldnt buy luxury in the first place. That sub is an absolute stunner, my favorite one actually

[@julianadams2206]

Loved the video (as always). Just one thing, as the owner of a Black Bay 41 with a Black face and Blue dial, wouldn't this have made a more suitable watch to use for this comparison? As for the Rolex used in this video, at the price quoted wearers would surely want a private body guard to safely wear the watch outside!

[@cjdontthink2]

The black bay 58 is much improved, so I'm sure that's why it was chosen to put against the Rolex.

[@flanners41]

I agree I have the new in house BB 41 and I am tired of the fan boy hype of the 58, I think for a Diver it wears far too small. Good to see prices are now on a par with the BB41. I reckon the 41 will be the one in the future there will be less about and in more demand, especially as it was the supposed underdog thanks to KZbin fan boi's.

[@IvanBustos]

The Black Bay 41 is too thick to be the proper comparison. For most people the BB58 is a better fit on the wrist. For those with larger wrists then the 41 is a good option.

[@leeharding8306]

I honestly preferred the look and size of the Tudor. The Rolex looks too bling and the text on the rehaut ring looks naff. Especially when it’s not straight like this one. Old Rolex’s look cool but the new ones are just currency for people who talk about money and values. It’s not a watch enthusiasts brand anymore unfortunately.

[@wheel1775]

I have to disagree slightly. I think what makes Rolex unique is that they still make tool watches that are usable as they are designed. I have an 114060 Sub, and the new Seamaster. The Seamaster is very nice, but the fit, finish, feel, and function, is definitely below my Sub. The bezel on the Seamaster has very shallow scallops which make it hard to use. The Sub has sharp edges that bite into your fingers. The bracelet on the sub is narrow and comfortable. The Seamaster is wide and bulky. I realize no one is wearing these as actual dive watches anymore but at least the Rolex can still do it. It is unfortunate that most people only care about the name, and don’t care about the small details that make a Rolex special.

[@stevebennett7783]

@@wheel1775 Most divers I know (myself included) use dive computers. I only wear an old SKX as back up, if at all. Last time I saw a sub in the water, was in the pool whilst holidaying in Antigua 🤷‍♂️. A tool watch, yes. Unfortunately not used as one anymore.

[@AbstractMan23]

Agreed, the rehaut text repetition is incredibly naff. Plus it didn’t look like it lined up correctly at 12, see 2:15.

[@stevebennett7783]

At this point Rolex has become the Emperors new clothes. £40k for a plain looking sub...... Beyong hysterical.

[@TucsonDude]

They should have at least kept it in yellow gold.

[@emilnilsson4320]

I LOVE that grinding feeling when I screw back my crown and forcing it to make new threads!

[@smashexentertainment676]

Rolex is full white gold including bracelet, Tudor doesn't contain a single gram of precious metals. Mainly why the price is so vastly different.

[@JG-qb9gd]

Thats not why, the SS sub is worth over 13k when it use to be sold around 5-6 rolex prices have gone insane because people like to show them off.

[@LockheedMartinF22Raptor7]

That Rolex sure is nice, but I will still choose the Tudor. #OneMinuteGang

[@_jm77_josem.69]

Excellent video, pure class. The only thing better the design of the BB58 is a classic Tudor Submariner, blue and with snow flags. Love the blue version.

[@jons78733]

Back in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, I was really into the watch thing. I had five Rolex models during that period including a stainless Sub and a two-tone in blue. My interests changed and I had an Explorer II with a white dial. I sold it to a friend for a song and then I unfortunately looked up what they were selling for these days. I did this after the fact…. This was a very painful experience. Recently, I got back into collecting watches and decided I would put myself on the waiting list at my local AD. While in the store I looked at a BB Heritage with a burgundy bezel. That evening, I couldn’t get the BB out of my mind. The next day, I went in and purchased it. I absolutely love this watch! It wears perfectly on my wrist and keeps near perfect time. Ironically, I sold that Explorer II to help pay for some tube amplifiers. I also listen to vinyl records almost every day. And yes, I am still on the waiting list for a Rolex…..

[@Roberto68n]

The BB58 doesn’t come with burgundy bezel. That bezel is exclusively of the Black Bay Heritage, the original 41mm version. If that’s the one you got, let me tell you, that’s the one to have!!! 👌

[@jons78733]

@@Roberto68n - My mistake….

[@frank327]

Beautiful photography and enchanting narration as always.

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[@John_code]

The Rolex is for investors and the Tudor is for watch enthusiasts

[@humphreybradley3060]

Give me the Tudor any day!

[@marklawrence855]

So glad I got the no date sub ,looks so much better 😀

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[@thenexthobby]

What do I think, you ask? The prices should be swapped. Materials aside, I consider the BB the better design. Sometimes simpler actually IS more advanced.

[@smoc29]

Such a deep and wonderful message in such a simple and plain way. I enjoyed every video you made and even more the stories behind every one of them. Thank you.

[@larrymarkowitz8386]

Does $40k include the cyclops schmutz?

[@thomaseder460]

What a great video! Poetry combined with fantastic macro-shots. Could have watched and listened forever. Thank you! PS: BB58 all the way!:)

[@TommyRibs]

Tudor needs to make an all blue Black Bay in the 41mm size as well. The BB58 just wears small for me.

[@FINEST-uk8nc]

I own the black gold accented BB58 it’s warm tones and red pip are perfect . I do have to admit though that this featured Rolex is plainly a work of art if I had 40k laying around to burn I would get it!

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[@Sirkelsag666]

The originale Tudor black bay with the ETA movement is the perfect dimmensions in my book. But with the release of the BB58 some of us may hope that the standard BB gets down to between 12 and 13 mm thickness.

[@DerFliegendeMocca]

Guys, real question: I have a submariner that i own and love for 3-4 years now. i still feel like i need a tudor for the snowflakes. what do you think? is it worth getting one? will i be wearing it enough to justify? will i like it when compared to the rolex?

[@heho7683]

Could you make the same comparison between a Blancpain FF and a Squale?

[@jcmuscle123]

Rolex, you won’t be able to buy it from the AD, you’ll have to pay pretty much double for it on the grey market , not a big fan of where the brand is going

[@vladpcgamer]

Nonesense, rolex owners simply have to buy the AD 18 year old whiskey and let them fuck their wives to get the watch in mere months instead of years, pretty good deal to get a rolex in exchange of jeopardizing your marriage

[@Angry_Gnome]

@@vladpcgamer Yup, you get the big picture. Ok, ciao.

[@Angry_Gnome]

Where it’s going? It’s been there for a while now. It’s become a full blown fashion brand.

[@UserKR13]

Im not a Rolex fan boy but is it Rolex's fault that their watches are so popular? They produce around a million watches and they don't have to increase production if they don't want to for whatever reason. Don't cry about it just because you can't get one at retail.

[@GEZ73]

The BB58 in blue is the only non Omega I own and I absolutely love it. £2760 on bracelet two years ago. Great size too. No interest in owning a Rolex although Rolex owners and enthusiasts will no doubt disagree. Great video of a great watch and a not-so-great status symbol.

[@tc5074]

I was looking at a Rolex. I decided on a blue bb58 and a Grand Seiko sbge257 gmt, and I don’t regret it a bit!

[@mikeuk4130]

Agreed. It’s the old silk purse from a sow’s ear thing for me. It’s still a big, clunky Submariner. I’d buy a BB or, better still, a Seamaster for swimming/diving and a white- /Canopus-gold Speedmaster for the chronograph/chronometer, elegance, style and the sheer, glowing beauty.

[@PGoh440]

Sure guys…. Sure you would swap the bb for a sub if prices weren’t what they are.

[@mikeuk4130]

@@PGoh440 is that a question? No wonder these comments and replies get crazy. I'm out.

[@PGoh440]

No i have 6 cats im not a dog person.

[@paulvon2378]

Tudor BB58 is a classic watch and worth every penny.

[@esperoutdoors9421]

nice vid. ive seen this comparison afew times before... but i always think the regular black bay would be a closer comparison (since it has a black dial and blue bezel)

[@matthewbrotman2907]

“Devolution” ARE WE NOT WATCH? WE ARE TUDOR 😆😜

[@angelos6817]

The Tudor BB58 is most perfect watch and for a great price. I bought mine when it first came out and haven't looked back. I would love a Sub but not at the crazy prices they selling for now.

[@alexanderbarr]

To take a moment to reset and recollect for that 1 minute is so valuable to me it's hard to describe. Simple things at their core are what I enjoy 😉

[@Brownkyl]

If the BB58 Blue came with a date function, I'd buy one tomorrow.

[@markbrisec3972]

Although the beauty is in the eye of a beholder, I have a need to share my opinion. To hell with the precious metal, heritage, brand, history and the caliber, I would rather wear the Tudor BB 58 since it's a much better looking watch. I hate the blue bezel/black dial/white gold case and bracelet combo on Submariner. And that heavily notched bezel edge is a kick in the balls compared to the classy coin edge on the Tudor. Before everyone starts bashing me for just being jealous for not being able to afford the "Rollie", I tell you - "Yes, I would rather have the Submariner, sell it, and buy the Tudor + the Zenith Chronomaster/Omega Speedmaster chronograph, and still have money for a killer vacation"...

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[@jakehill1218]

The Tudor BB was one of the first luxury watches I was drawn to. It feels simple, refined, and still full of character. The Rolex submariner has always felt soulless to me. Maybe it’s the way Rolex is viewed by society and the exorbitant price that turns me off of it….or maybe I just hate the Mercedes hands. Either way, Tudor BB seems like the perfect watch (for the price) to me

[@JG-qb9gd]

I get the same feeling.

[@bluedog88]

Definitely not a fan of the Mercedes hands. Nothing about the sub excites me, especially for the price they're fetching...

[@rjhick1]

The only thing I don't like about the Tudor BB is that they don't have the rose logo on the dial, but yeah I agree even with that its still an amazing watch and has character.

[@JasonTheWatchGuy]

Pick up the Tudor today...Wait a few years for the Sub...Know which one i'm picking

[@TROY2048]

Can’t wait for a $40000 G-Shock

[@belle6631]

They have a $75k full gold G-Shock, already exists

[@chrispenn715]

I'll sell you mine for $40k :-)

[@javahaxxor]

I like the sub design, I'm currently wearing a Steinhart Titanium 500. I would definitely buy a Sub or sea dweller, but not as the situation is now. Then there's the fresh look snd modern tech of Omega and GS which I'd rather splurge on. With Rolex, I feel I would only be buying the image of success. Like those people buying the BMW 1200 GS , and you see them riding around town, spotless.

[@flanners41]

with empty panniers!

[@frankdaneluzzi3503]

Ridiculous!! 40k for any Rolex. I purchased in 2017- 2018 four Rolex pieces for that amount.

[@frankpentangeli7945]

I'm a Rolex guy at a Tudor price. Sadly, I'm not able to reconcile these two things, except perhaps by buying a third brand altogether. Grand Seiko comes to mind.

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[@mikesomerset6338]

There is one huge difference between the two watches. It's the dial. One of them has "Rolex" written on it.

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[@artbanks27]

The writing style is amazing, the comparasion of mechanical watches to paper books is absolutely superb. Of both watches the tudor is definitely the one i would wear the most.

[@rj-yr4ql]

You should have compared the blue bezel Submariner with black dial to the Tudor heritage black bay 41mm with blue bezel (also with black dial). That is the exact one-to-one comparison.

[@ik5513]

Just saw the sub avaiable at the AD. Is there any point to ask for a discount for this model ?

[@23727bgk]

Please tell me what the advantage is of white gold? I assume it's flashier and more scratch prone...

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[@user-ck7my4dh4k]

I was debating between the sub and Tudor Black Bay Blue. I chose the Tudor as the Tudor watch spoke to me vs the Rolex. A poor AD experience also pushed me over the ledge. I was amazed that AD’s sell market priced Rolex vs New Rolex. I think that really hurts the Rolex brand.

[@simonrano8072]

The lightning might be weird because the Tudor dial looks insane when it is a normal nice blue and the Rolex bezel look a nice blue when it in a horrendous purpulish electric blue

[@mikesomerset6338]

The hour hand of the Rolex makes me think of CND.

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[@hugohernandez3651]

My first Rolex was a Submariner. It is such a beautiful watch. I had the opportunity to see this one. That blue bezel looks gorgeous. I had a Tudor BBB 41mm. Very nice watch, but I would not trade a Submariner or a Seamaster 300M for one even if they were at the same price.

[@niallsmyth4068]

I just love your writing Andrew, knowledge, personality, wit, insight and so much more,

[@nikhilc8681]

As a neutral (Omega fan) I think the Tudor here looks a lot nicer.

[@carleidoscope5018]

Tangible escapism. That is a beautiful sentence.

[@Max.Effect]

I'm really into watches for 2 years now. This BB58 is my accessible grail. It will be mine one day. It is so simple, so clean, thin, but with great specs. That is really what I enjoy watches. No date is a really plus for me too. Thank you for this poetic video!

[@zevongrie1402]

If I could walk into a Rolex AD and buy a Sub, I would probably do it. But that seems unlikely to happen any time soon. And I refuse to pay gray market prices on one. All of that being said, I bought the black BB58 and it has quickly become my favorite watch. It is extremely comfortable. Looks amazing. I enjoy it and that is all that really matters. I bought it for me to enjoy, not for the rest of the world. And I hope to be able to add the blue one soon. Keep up the great work on the videos.

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[@danielmadsen9115]

Normally on the submariner cyclops, the antireflective coating has a colorless tint. And fakes are usually spotted by the color of the tint in the antireflective coating. However this model must use different antireflective coating than usual. Can you look into that?

[@gwizzler]

I love my 116619LB but the value of these WG subs has now got so out of control that I no longer wear mine. Its just not worth the risk even with it insured. It is a special watch but social media and speculation has dented its ability to be worn as a daily. The other factor most people will never have to contend with is WG is very soft so it scratches quite easily.

[@willbrink]

I have had both, my daily wear is the Tudor. The Tudor is still the best deal in luxury watches going and after several years wearing every day, never babying it, gym, beach, etc, it looks almost new. I have to admit, I do like the looks of the newest version of the Sub and the SS version without date window well under 10K, still a value for such a high quality watch that will hold good value.

[@wilkosoft]

The Rolex isn’t primarily a watch. It’s a currency. It’s price does not, even remotely, reflect its quality. As fiat currencies fail and inflation skyrockets, the urge to own alternative tradable commodities increases. I guess it’s more fun than buying gold…

[@tvo6453]

The Rolex is more like $55k…can’t be had for $40k, unless you’re loved at an AD. And the Tudor BB can be had with a 10% discount

[@hyunkim9301]

TBH Tudor quality is falling apart lately. My BB58 Blue has a dial that doesn't align (center) and it is getting serviced and it has been gone for more than 2 months now. The BB58 in this video seems great though. Is anyone else having the same problem as me? if you have a BB58 Blue look at your dial closely and see if it's centered or at least close to perfectly centered because mine was totally off.

[@Angry_Gnome]

You mean it doesn’t align at 12:00? Mine is pretty well centered but maybe just a hair off from the pip.

[@rcm4u2]

I love the bb58 series. I have some old Rolex subs from before crown guards, and love them- but they are 60 plus years old. These are great, sized and priced right, with modern tech. I love them.

[@TucsonDude]

Would you trust those old subs underwater?

[@rcm4u2]

@@TucsonDude only after new seals and pressure test.

[@TucsonDude]

@@rcm4u2 Nice! I'm glad to hear it's still water resistant.

[@Valera_Scotland]

Saving for the 36mm Oyster Perpetual... and I will treat it as a watch.. use it in any situation and not worry about Value or scratches

[@kevo82]

Min 07:20 isn’t the super luminova green on the BB58? Why it looks blue in this video? I knew that only the Pelagos has it blue.

[@jackthomas6952]

Is the Bracelet all white solid gold on the Sub?

[@andrewm9669]

I love this WG sub, I have one. Most people don’t care or notice watches, but those that notice it, knowing it’s solid gold, some scoff. Those that scoff, can’t afford it. Those that know and can afford it, think it’s cool. That’s my experience.

[@mikeuk4130]

Is that what they tell you?

[@StefanoMaggio]

You, as often do, hit the nail right on the head. I love my Speedmaster and prefer manual movments precisely because those 30 seconds i spend winding it feel like meditation and look for that feeling with many things a do and own.

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[@agentdissident6966]

40K for that ? What the hell... The bubble is definitely uncontrollable!

[@threefive2072]

rolex has strayed so far from its roots, do you think they could lose their reputation ever? could any scandal damage the brand significantly enough? or will they just creep further and further away from the tool watch w/o any significant backlash?

[@mitchmitchell9588]

The sub looks beautiful. The engineering is impressive. But wouldn’t we all rather have it in steel? Pass on this one (in theory, as it is unlikely any of us will see one at the ADs). The Tudor makes perfect sense. And it’s a sharp looking watch. But it just doesn’t inspire any feelings. The vintage ones with Rolex crowns, cases and clasps are intriguing, but not at inflated price points. Sorry. I am a skeptical, miserable old man.

[@LanguagesWithAndrew]

I think Omega got it right: with dive watches, if you're going to offer special versions/colors in special alloys, make it grade 5 titanium. They're tool watches, not dress watches, therefore making them in precious metals is stupid. It's like making a track suit out of the finest silk or a shovel with a white gold blade and mahogany shaft.

[@mitchmitchell9588]

@@LanguagesWithAndrew You make many good points. Rumor has it that the next Yacht Master will be titanium...only 50 years after Citizen made the first titanium watch. Yikes. Bronze is a very good material for divers (I think WF did a video on it). Ask the Tudor folks. They know. Perhaps all this goes to one of Andrew's points. Maybe we should only expect over-engineered luxury watches from Rolex. Tudor will make more purpose-driven watches. But there is that silver Black Bay...

[@msufiyan]

Yeah. Thank you

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[@Solomanz3RdEyE]

As an owner of the Tudor BB 58 Blue, I can say without a doubt it looks immensely more beautiful in person than it does in this video, stacked against the Rolex. I live in San Diego and tried every AD in the county and it wasn’t until my current visit to NYC, was I able to find this gem of a watch. It’s becoming ever more rare, especially on the bracelet. Would I love to source a Rolex at retail? You bet but I’m more than happy with the BB58. It is a must for any watch collector who has the coin to purchase an amazing everyday watch. Great review! Keep the spectacular content coming