New Active Suspension Concept Design!!!!!

[@Angry_rony]

That is a very cool design Using power couplers might help with dampening the shock form sudden adjustments

[@wtswins]

Cool idea!

[@LordSethrik]

​@@wtswinsPowercouplers do work as an anti roll bar but you'll want to mount them to hinges and adjust the stiffness of those rather than the coupler itself if you want to avoid glitches

[@wtswins]

@@LordSethrik well that kind of defeats the purpose of active suspension

[@LordSethrik]

@@wtswins active anti roll bars exist

[@goodmrnin3485]

I think theres a way to set a limit on how far down the wheels can reach. Add a distance sensor that faces the body on each of the pipes holding the wheels. Set the sensor to activate the hinges that move the certain wheel up and down. Adjusting this value should give you adjustable suspension travel.

[@wtswins]

i was limiting it by changing the angle on the hinges themselves but the big problem is when all of the wheels are reaching down at the same time.

[@MarginallyAddicted]

add distance sensors in 4 corners as well as the angle sensors and factor that in

[@LordSethrik]

Was going to suggest this, I would angle the distance sensors forward on hinges too so it has more time to predict bumps and dips

[@cartertheiii7103]

Subbed cause i have a feeling ill see some really cool stuff on this channel! Question, can you please do a step by steptutorial on how to construct this on a vehicle? I struggle to understand a lot of the technical components in this game, and I'm sure a lot of other people do too, so it would be super appreciated if you were able to show us how this works in a step by step process ❤

[@-aid4084]

There are probably 8 scenarios that occur, being all the 8 angle directions. Foward, left, right and backwards ect. Each input either raises or lowers individual wheels, to maintain level. The downside is that it requires a level ground, not hills or slopes, otherwise it squats.

[@-aid4084]

He's also using some swing arm suspension, with steering hinges set to a low strength and the input being the ajustable height.

[@wtswins]

Maybe!

[@wtswins]

it has a few logical scenarios like that to prevent it from squatting on hills but I didn't really get technical.

[@Zane12ai]

Functionality: check! Low Complexity: Cross! Logistical Nightmare: Check! Fragile: CHECK!! All seriousness, a way I can. See to improve it, is to have distance sensors in the wheels. If they don't see terrain, they move down. This could also be wired into some other stuff to solve more issues, like the reaching for the ground thing

[@lambovance2229]

NASA should look at people like this

[@wtswins]

Trust me they called

[@Endless_Elway]

i mean, active suspension already exists irl, this is rather a remake of the real thing, i understand your point tho

[@lambovance2229]

@@Endless_Elway Yeah

[@OPNightMarine]

The suspension might work good on a race car around a track. Especially with the low amount of changes compared too what you used to demonstrate.

[@wtswins]

That's true because you cant really find rough terrain like this anywhere in trailmakers

[@Zane12ai]

At that point, just spend the power core on a gyro stablizer dude.

[@Sleepjng]

An easy way to improve thisdesign would be to not just rely on the position of the car but lso to use distance sensors to just very slight predict*put them infornt of car* the movement so that your suspention is already on its way before you get there ofc it wont change too much but atleast a bit, you can also incoroporate power coupling suspention to dampen it much more,

[@wtswins]

if I were to use power couplings for suspension it would also dampen the active suspensions effect.

[@spacewalk3046]

Interesting concept, i think there's not much to improve here other then maybe scaling it way up so it gives it a bit more time to react, but we dont really have very big wheels. btw your mic is quiet u should make it louder.

[@wtswins]

We do need bigger wheels

[@bradennolte5566]

I would love to see a tutorial on how you got this working. It's such an interesting design that I'd love to study

[@wtswins]

Noted!

[@crcfran]

This is Great for a Crawler, nice work 👍

[@wtswins]

Thanks 👍

[@Gudamo2123]

Just subscribed, You could put distance sensors on the axles connecting to the wheels and have them at varying distances and have it to where the short one is required to be on for the active stabilization and the others affect the speed and brace of the stabilization. You could put freebearing hinges on 10 strength and it would allow slight angling, thus energy dissolvement, may not work because of the speed of the suspension though.

[@wtswins]

that should work in theory but in practice because the sensors are not inside of each other they will be detecting entirely different rocks.

[@Zane12ai]

You could also just use 4, one on each wheel. Wire them up into an XOR gate that has another source of constant input

[@henriksz_]

I might have an idea, what if you use distance sensors right in front of the wheels facing down making the sort of read the terrain if you somehow manage to make a treshold for a set distance it might compensate just well enough

[@ReaperTSB743]

Bro this is epic!, ive done something similar but without the logic blocks, i just used gyro stabalizers, which kinda was cheating, but your still works way better,

[@wtswins]

Thanks!

[@EpicHylje]

Really like seeing builds with logic blocks. Too bad I'm a newbie with them but nonetheless nice build!

[@wtswins]

Thanks!

[@portal5886]

Great for slow driving i got this suspension design for more of a high speed very smooth tho good job.

[@wtswins]

Cool, thanks!

[@HomeSlice4.0]

That would be really good for a rover

[@S0m3wun]

you may be able to use sensors to put the suspension arms down and speed sensors for timing

[@wtswins]

sounds hard

[@Zane12ai]

​@@wtswinshave them wired into an XOR gate each, which controlls the hinge obviously. Then just wire a constant input to all the XOR gates from somewhere else

[@rip-tide.number.2998]

personally, my fix is to have two suspension types per each wheel, a hugely soft one and a stiff one... or a stiff one and camber using a hinge that's been soften till theirs a slight angle on the wheels when the car sits level on the floor

[@wtswins]

that works pretty well but that's not what I'm going for.

[@BryceJensen-k8p]

can you get a distance sensor out in front of the wheel to predict incoming terrain?

[@wtswins]

you could but the sensor would only see certain size bumps

[@Zane12ai]

​@@wtswinsit doesnt need to see every bump, just have it go down regardless. It would result in a smother ride reguardless

[@-aid4084]

I think something is missing, the suspension isn't able to lower with input from the sensors, therefore you can't dampen big bumps. I'd be curious if you played around with the ratio between positive height to level and negative height on the other wheels. Maybe it lowers height until the ground clearence reaches a point with some distance sensors where it switches to adding height. But I do think only 4 body sensors could be limiting how independent the suspension behaves.

[@wtswins]

if I do the exact opposite of the current set up it actually achieves a state where it is really good at keeping the wheels on the ground and can handle big jumps and whatnot but the side effect is that the cockpit is the opposite of stabilized.

[@UselessGuy85214]

How do you have 604 Blueprints isn't the Limit 400 ? Or is there no Limit on PC ?

[@phoenixbda6164]

he probably deletes things

[@wtswins]

I have a 1000 now but I don’t have a limit because I’ve got loads of storage it’s says 604 because I started the project a year ago

[@UselessGuy85214]

@@wtswins Oh ok

[@m.ethegamer4091]

no limit on pc

[@pangolin7398]

Do servos react faster? If so you can use that and turn down the strength

[@wtswins]

servos do react faster but even if the reaction was literally instant it would still be to slow because for the angle sensors to tell the wheels to move the car must be tilted first.

[@pangolin7398]

@@wtswins Distance sensors can detect terrain before the vehicle tilts. I've seen other videos use it for anti-rollover. Maybe it can be used for active suspension?

[@Zane12ai]

​@@wtswinsthis is why you use distance sensors too

[@Cannon__Fodder]

you a legend

[@wtswins]

I know

[@m.ethegamer4091]

Veri nice. Use speed sensors instead of angle sensors

[@m.ethegamer4091]

Also, hold position hinges for faster reaction time

[@ekulgaming6867]

Maybe use distance sensors not sure I think it would yield similar results

[@wtswins]

Problem is that I would need one for different sizes of bumps

[@Zane12ai]

​@@wtswinsnah, just wire one input, down. Doen untillmit sees a rock again.

[@lxnrpmannyx2766]

If its bad at speed would it be good with servos?

[@wtswins]

no it would not.

[@Zane12ai]

​@@wtswinsprevious,y, you said it would be better. Now, better is still better. So, WeLl ActHUaLlEyh It would be good with servos. Becuase little improvement, is still better results.

[@WesleyBelnap]

nice

[@wtswins]

Very

[@tobo__]

Woudlnt a gyro stab do the same?

[@wtswins]

No because the wheels are staying in contact with the ground that’s the whole point

[@Zane12ai]

A gyro does the opisate if how this thing works

[@chumstick1]

gold scarab beetle

[@Emeraldpig52]

please make a tutorial

[@-aid4084]

Bose made a predictive suspension, but it didn't get implimented into many vehicles because it was too heavy and expensive, so not comertially viable.

[@wtswins]

the audio company?

[@-aid4084]

@@wtswins I believe so

[@That1annoyingBee]

(Ignore my user) I swear I made somthing exactly like this a month ago and posed it to the trailmakers subreddit

[@wtswins]

Great minds think alike!

[@DaStuntChannel]

lmao

[@wtswins]

lmao

[@MatyasFrank-bf7cv]

Suspension off: FULL Send Suspension on: slow driving Ofc the slow driving will have better driving dynamics. I like the creativity but i dont think this was a good demonstration

[@cartertheiii7103]

that's.. not what happened

[@wtswins]

It causes you to drive slower because of the way it works it pulls the wheels off the ground to keep the cockpit level. because the wheels were in contact with the ground for a shorter time the creation didn't accelerate as much.

[@m.ethegamer4091]

They were definetly going the same speed, the speedometer measures the cockpits speed in any direction. This means they were both going roughly 80, but since the second ride wasnt as smooth due to the lack of stabilization it bounced giving the seat up and down movement too adding almost 10 kph. Even if it was going 10 kph faster it isnt a very big difference and likely wouldnt have much effect at such a high speed. So basically to summarize, this is a good demonstration because it isnt gaining extra bounce from more speed, its gaining extra speed on from more bounce(in a bad way)

[@OreoKiller_]

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