NEW Amazing Dragon's Dogma 2 Community Discoveries!

[@The_Rift]

You guys are completely right. The Dragon we see in the trailer could simply be a new "Great Dragon" and not necessary Grigori. I believe the setting of the sequel will take place in Vermund, a neighboring country to Gransys. With the possibility of endless cycles and parallel universes it's hard to say if this is just another version of Gransys or set in a timeline before/after dd1.

[@Shinzon23]

There's also the option that the dragon is you From the previous game because either you failed to kill the seneschal or you decided just to become a dragon!

[@kfoxoimaok]

Also Capcom have directly said “will begin the cycle anew”. So it's likely a reboot of the same story or our character's continued their duty instead of offing ourselves. I'm guessing they want to fix the pretty bad writing of the first game and do a more fleshed out narrative (I hope at least).

[@gustavonomegrande]

Grigori is a title given to angels, it means Overseer or Watcher, the Savan's dragon is also A Grigori, the dragon, not the same one we fight, since for Savan to become Seneschal he must kill the dragon. There's a plot hole though, if one defeats the dragon and becomes seneschal, where does next dragon come from, there must be a dragon to select another arisen, but a arisen must be defeated by the seneschal to become a dragon, unless the creation powers of the seneschal extend to creating dragons from nothing like he does with people.

[@krombop212]

@@gustavonomegrande think multiverse mate. Its easy to forget but multiple cycles are going at once as shown by all the different pawns and other arisen you see but never heard of.

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

It could be that there are multiple new regions, there was talk of an empress and a sovran, and by the look of brant, who mentions a sovran, he doesn't really look related to the guy at the very end of the clip who has the purple crystal over his heart, meaning he could possibly be a 3rd ruler of some sort or a new fake ruler

[@Navigator78]

I keep honing my skills waiting for DD2. One of the most rewarding things is that, the more effort you put in combat system, the more you realize how deep and well balanced it is. Seriously, this game has, among the other great stuff, the best combat system i have ever seen on a videogame.

[@TakaChan569]

Well balanced is a bit of a stretch lol, i mean i get the love for the game but the first had some flaws that need to be addressed so i hope they do more to fully complete the game.

[@marfin4325]

@@TakaChan569 My saved Magic Archer game got corrupted a few years ago. I spent so much time leveling that shit and now in a new game it is very difficult to start out again. I hope they change leveling a bit so I'm not forced to play classes I dont like for the stat gains.

[@Navigator78]

@@marfin4325 you don't need to. I made a MA 1-10 mage and 11-200 MA and it works like a charm. Also i switch to MA with my current MK (1-10fighter 11-200 MK) and it works great too.

[@theobell2002]

"well balanced" Lol.. that "balance" goes out the window in Bitterblack Isle.

[@redlegionknight2194]

Yei get it original ng+ is well balanced and alternatively the dark arisen is also set up very well

[@teldoroteldoro4476]

The dragon may not be Grigori-in DD1 you can be killed by the Seneschel (its difficult, but it CAN happen). If the Seneschel kills you, you fail to take his place and are reborn as a new Great Dragon. And you look almost identical to Grigori

[@Sara3346]

Yeah and this guy looks different than Greg anyway hes slightly bulkier and has a different eye color at least.

[@troller9838]

It's good that they seem to be staying true to the original game. The combat looks almost identical to the first game, same with the environments and clothing. These are all good things. I was a bit worried they'd change it too much, but it seems like it'll have a lot of stuff from the first game, as well as added a lot of new things.

[@Voitan]

There's no need to worry about the "timeline". More likely, we're in a completely different, yet similar world, like in the multiple worlds in the original concept of Dragon's Dogma, and strongly hinted and implied by the Everfall, and in Dark Arisen.

[@atomicbanana55]

This is what I'm leaning towards most with no other info given right now as well, mainly because it gives the most space within the lore for development and changes compared to the first game. There's also no guarantee that the dragon is actually Grigori despite looking similar and sounding the same. We know the depiction of the dragon is different in the logo of 2 and we haven't actually been given a name for this dragon besides "The Dragon". Even if it is Grigori, that doesn't automatically mean it's the same Grigori either.

[@crilleedara]

Ohh crap yeah that's true, that's a pretty good point!

[@samreddig8819]

I like to think it's not him. And that an arisen falling to the seneschal and becoming the new dragon comes with a sick voice.

[@Voitan]

@@atomicbanana55 Grigori is also a title for a class of angels in Biblical lore. So not necessarily even a name.

[@atomicbanana55]

@@Voitan True, but it was definitely used as a name in the original game

[@lastorochi7052]

i just saw you can interact with the npc like that highfive, i mean imagine killing a big ass monster and after an intense fight you just do that... fucking amazing😊

[@Shiftshapercat]

I think it would be hilarious if you could make one of your pawns a Bard and the Bard starts playing victory fanfare music on winning an epic battle vs a large monster.

[@lastorochi7052]

@@Shiftshapercat Yeah i would laugh if that really happens XDD

[@crilleedara]

Yeah that is really cool! I can happily trade online for being able to hi-five my favorite NPCs!! 😎

[@crilleedara]

@@Shiftshapercat Ahaha omg that would be soo dope!!

[@Steak818]

I mean, it's probably funny the first time, but after that ? I hope it has a gameplay effect (like in Persona 5), or else it's just window dressing.

[@Erosgates]

I hope that they expand upon the world geographically. More villages would be very welcome, only need one major city. Definitely stoked for this.

[@supahscopezz]

Finally, I can walk outside of Gran Soren without hearing "a castle? Or the ruins of such?"

[@agorilla7137]

I will say, I don't think the game has to be set in the past due to Grigori being alive. The setting is based on cycles within cycles within cycles, and Grigori is a pivotal part of that cycle. It's very easy to say that Grigori is reborn anew to choose a new Arisen even after he's killed.

[@mcflufferkins]

That and one of the endings of DD1 has the player become Grigori, starting the cycle over once more.

[@lvadimass]

@@mcflufferkins the player doesn't become grigori, he just transforms into a dragon form that looks like grigori meaning an arisen that dies fighting the seneschal, will always be a big red dragon also for rift if you see this that tower is probably just the endless tower in another world, since that whole flood theory would put that city underwater

[@rhodan74]

Every character appearing in the trailer has its name spelled out in the official subtitles EXCEPT "Grigori" which is just called "Dragon". Coincidence ? - I think not. So nope, don't think this is Grigori. Or maybe we just snuffed out another Grigori in another plane of existance paralell to the OG game.

[@garymcjerry]

people forget that dragons are just past arisen, Grigori was just a Arisen that fell at the last hurdle and subsequently turned into a Red dragon. Other arisen were just less Chad and get turn into the shittier dragons.

[@Toughbiscuit_]

​@@lvadimass Daimon of bbi's mother became a dragon, the dragon that he refused to slay

[@bbwizard2941]

Im going to make all my pawns midget Lion people, fat cat army!

[@Shiftshapercat]

If you can name your company, name it something along the lines of "The Chosen Chonkers" LOL

[@JUNO69RISING]

Haha 😂

[@PhilUP]

Did you know? The female pawn raising her hand, the community are calling her “Rooka”.

[@Scorprock102]

Fandom needs to pick a different name. Pawn, rook, so bishop?

[@DugMontinoona]

Too bad is Reilly, source :trust me bro

[@eloquentsloth6080]

@@Scorprock102 Bishops are male

[@theobell2002]

I call her Scarlet Johannson because that's exactly who she looks like.

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

I doubt thats the female rook, it seems like the very first time we get out very own pawn, so it could be a custom female pawn Or that perhaps is a female rook and there are just a few more pawns to choose from this time

[@ravenhellkite8124]

praying for a capcom showcase for DD in the summer game fest window or at least TGS. Capcom recently haven't shown games like this unless they're really close to release. So I'm hoping they're gonna go full marketing on it after SF6 is out.

[@ICDedPeplArisen]

This game is gonna be amazing. I can feel it

[@newhek]

They masterworks, all. You can't go wrong.

[@Mephistofeles]

The dude that made dmc v is making this game, if anything, you can bet anything its going to be faithfull to the og dragons dogma and its gonna be a love letter to all the dragons dogma fans from the past 10 years or so who kept this franchise alive.

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

​@@Mephistofeles i mean, its literally his baby, his blood

[@Mephistofeles]

@@traceyjacobsen8544 yeah, this is why im confident, and confident with this game amd its director the same way im confident with fromsoft games or ff xiv.

[@Biancasgaminggarden]

A friend told me about your channel I'm glad to see that there's a youtube channel that focuses on a game that I love so much and these theories are epic I hope we get to see more areas to explore and im glad we are getting more vocations thank you for the video hope you have a good day man

[@wolfie3629]

The vocation with the "twin blade" reminds me of alchemist the way it detonates the blue magic things on the enemies. I swear on a DD2 leak I saw about a yr ago mentioned them working on an alchemist & mystic knight mix...

[@NightmareBlade10]

As long as we get a big magic shield!

[@wolfie3629]

@@NightmareBlade10 agreed my favorite thing about mystic knight was parrying.. although from what we've seen it looks like they are going for mor of a DDO route to where its one weapon only to give you 6 skills total for it instead of a primary and secondary

[@lemonlefleur6236]

A KZbinr by the name of Infinite Cringe (Of Chonk Lord Fame) pointed out the idea that Pawns seem to look like a more important part of the game in her 50 minute analysis of the trailer. I’d like to think that this plays into an idea I had a while back in which our Arisen using the Godsbane blade on ourselves and seeing our pawn wake up in our body has had dire consequences in that the Godsbane blade will now be stored within the body of pawns (Inherently making them more important to the Arisen if they wish to ascend).

[@goncalobaia1574]

Finally someone who gets it. Everybody looks at the tower and thinks "oh we're going to explore the same map"; without giving two f*cks about the angle you see it in. It's clearly to the north of Gransys, especially when you combine the position of the Bluemoon Tower on the left with the fact that you see mountains on the right, making them possibly the western (tower to the east) Tainted Mountains. We also see a wall, probably the other side of the Greatwall, and the City is now named Vermun. One thing is certain. It is NOT the same Gransys. PS: concerning the classes, I'm really hoping they implement some kind of stealth system, as in your enemies not instantly knowing where you are, especially for the Strider/Assassin vocations, something simple like in Kingdoms of Amalur or the sort. Be very interesting to go through bandit strongholds trying to keep a stealthy assassin approach. Not super necessary, but would be pretty cool

[@mattmeyer6186]

It is NOT Gran Soren. I'd bet money on it. Here is my comment I posted on Infinite Cringe's analysis. Agree with Yoredrag-onight4204. It's not Gransys. Blue Moon would be more to the left from the angle of the shot. It's not. It's more to the right. Almost looks like it's on an island. And more lined up with the city. Also, I don't think those are the ruins of Gran Soren. I think they are the initial town area outside the city at 34:17. Like how many medieval cities actually were. Combined with the city itself looking different and the desert stuff, etc, etc. Pretty sure it's a different area. Just looks similar from the shots we've seen.

[@rad.yall27]

All these video analyses are making me even more excited. Still something a bit unclear though, about the romance or "beloved" system. I hope they fixed the romance and give us more romantic options! It would also be cool if we can get them to travel with us (not just with pawns) if they're a fighter or an adventurer like Mercedes or Julien.

[@TheEcletickGamer7]

This!!!!

[@vex9895]

Thanks for the shout out! 👍🏻

[@The_Rift]

Loved your theories man, cheers ✊️

[@johnathansfacew8528]

Maybe only having the one weapon is a choice between being more versatile with 2 weapons or having more abilities to use with the one weapon. So having 6 dagger skills or only 3 with 3 additional bow ones like the original.

[@zeprincelini]

Wow, very detailed. Awesome, looking forward to this.

[@Dodowingster]

A lot of people keep forgetting that the dragon in DD2 trailer is NOT Grigori. You might argue that its the same voice, but remember the prologue in the Original? Savan fought the dragon with the exact same voice too. Implying that whoever the dragon is will adopt the same manner of speech, intelligence and majestic presence. As for the fake arisen, I think the necklace the dude's wearing is probably a fragment of the riftstone. I dont think its a wakestone since wakestones arent inherently useful to pawns. So maybe the mummer is using it to trick pawns that he is the Arisen. But this would be really cool. Its would be like Dante vs Vergil kind of rivalry. Your own team of pawns vs the fake arisen's pawns. Would be really cool

[@treycampbell759]

Rift!!! We back, Baby!!! DD2 is coming!! I can’t wait to see the game and the content you create!

[@vond5829]

The team behinds Dragon's Dogma finally got the time and assets to bring the game to its full potential

[@dutchielander2478]

Would be cool to have some new vocations like a cleric or a bard class or something specialized in buffing team mates and placing dots/hots. Maybe some kind of mount to travel long distances, with a later option to use fast travel crystals like in the first game. The devs initially planned for DD1 to be much larger scale then it already was. They wanted some kind of glider to float around with in DD1 early in development, so the mount thing wouldn't even be a bad idea for the sequal. The Arisen and a pawn even fly on the back of a gryphon in the beginning of the trailer so my hopes are up.

[@der_bauer3438]

I am pretty sure it is not Grigori, there was one Trailer Version where all the Subtitles had names of the Characters that spoke them in there and it was silply "The Dragon" when you heard the Dragon speek. My guess is that like in the first Game it is a past Arisen, perhaps even the one right before. We might learn more about the Past Arisen an the Story unfolds. A possible Plot could be that the soverein that we see on the Throne could be a Pawn of a past Arisen who took the place of his master after betraying him. Since we know that Pawns gradually adapt to humanity on the journey with the Arisen they serve as seen i the Anime. Since the only prerequisite to become Arisen is a strong will it would not surprise me if some Arisen might be evil or turn Evil like the duke in the first game.

[@AmySorrellMusic]

Fun fact about that kind of incense burner's history. Back in the day they would burn hash in them. The first incense. I am guessing it made a religious experience much more common and intense. I bet church smelled AMAZING.

[@ziloe]

It's definitely not a prequel. It's a remake, utilizing everything they weren't able to do before.

[@kingofflames738]

That's probably not Grigori. Grigori is the name of a previous Arisen who failed to defeat the Seneschal and was turned into a dragon. In a previous cycle that Arisen was named Grette and she's the dragon important to the story of Olra and the Bitterblack Isle. Whoever that new dragon is is another Arisen who failed to defeat the Seneschal. He could be named Joshua, Leonard or Tom, any name is possible.

[@mauauauauaua14]

man a dragon called Tom would be so anticlimatic

[@nunyabizness6089]

There is no indication that the dragon's name was Grigori prior to becoming a dragon; bear in mind arisen becoming dragons isn't exactly public knowledge.

[@arthurscott4467]

I can only play Dragon's Dogma ,for I only have a PS3 but I really enjoy this game , every time I play I find something new . I enjoyed your commentary on DD2 , it's too bad they won't allow it to be a crossover game, so people like me ,who can't afford a PS5 could play. DD2 looks amazing. Thanks for a very consice commentary ,maybe I'll sell my car to get a PC , or even a PS5, wait a minute I forgot I don't own a car, oh well ,that's life in Gran Soren.

[@blakeslone9820]

I keep hearing that the dragon is Grigori again but that isn't guaranteed is it? Some spoilers of the end of the game: We see in one ending of the game that all dragons seem to look the exact same when you lose against the Seneschal and become one. It becomes the same cycle and you look the same as Grigori did, but you don't seem to be Grigori as you already killed him by this time. With this, I don't believe it is guaranteed to be a prequel or even necessarily still in Gransys proper. It would make sense that the arisen could be in a different part of the world right? I'm not 100% on board with any pure answer just yet, but I'm excited regardless.

[@f.m848]

I thought so too, the dragon from the tutorial of the game wasn't the same that made the player Arisen, but they're identical.

[@samreddig8819]

We're definitely getting gransys. 60% of the map was cut in the base game though. I imagine we're getting more than JUST gransys.

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

Savan fought a great dragon that looked exactly like grigori, but wasn't, as he slayed it himself The ur-dragon looks identical aside from the pale, rotting flesh The dragon residing in daimons chest is also another identical look but with a purple coloration due to daimons skin warping to form the dragon's face And then there's our arisen who can become a great dragon themselves if they die during the fight with the seneschal, once again exactly the same appearance including color

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

​@@samreddig8819 hard to say for sure whether we are or not, we can't see gransys as of yet but its not impossible, but we might not see it either If we don't there is the possibility of it become a dlc map however

[@primisto7530]

The voice actor they used for the dragon is the same though and the BBI story we listen to while going through has the dragon of that character speak and it's a woman. Only time will tell what the dragon's name will be, but I am certainly not discounting the possibility of it being grigori

[@thaliuswarborn1148]

i really doubt that it's a prequel considering that the Red Dragon is more of a standard of the concept rather than Grigori's, as in the Arisen, unique form as a dragon; that is to say i think every Arisen cursed to become a dragon takes the shape of "the Dragon", but that doesn't necesseraly mean that there was only one red dragon you know? Specially so when you start to look at Daimon's twisted form; like a Red Dragon that was born way too early but he still has features akin to Grigori, which makes me think that Grigori's Red Dragon is the standard form for the concept rather than something unique to that former arisen alone. i'll place my bets that it's an entirely different timeline existing parallel to DD1's rather than a prequel/sequel. Considering the heavy motiffs of unending spirals, multi-dimensions/timetravel and breaking free from the clutches of fate that were present in DD1 it'd be really strange to have DD2 have a linear story.

[@norbertoalmanzar]

I hope we can swim in dragon's dogma 2

[@bluedemon4266]

I have to go back to DDDA and get into the lore again.

[@uncledoctor6920]

What I really wanna see is how DD Online will influence the mechanics of DD 2. Us here in the west don't know a whole lot about it since it was never released here, so I'd be curious what players who've played it think will be borrowed for that game.

[@GorBane]

One of my favorite things about DDON was how much more focus the classes had. Each one had a very strong identity. Strider ditched the bow entirely and was purely a speed-freak of a dagger-wielder, and vice-versa, the ranger dropped the daggers and went in with only their bow. Each class got a lot of new abilities to mitigate the weaknesses of losing their secondary weapons (Strider had a grappling-hook-like-thing they could use to zip around and quickly mount monsters, ranger got some close range shots and other mobility options) and also to emphasis their class identities. I don't think they'll take the classes from DDON 1:1 though. They were broken down into the typical tank/healer/dps roles. Starting as a priest when you only had one pawn was quite rough, as you had very few offensive tools available to you and had to rely on your pawn to do the damage. (The pawns were amazing tanks though. Their AI was so good in DDON.) Before the servers shut down, they released a class called High Scepter, which honestly was pretty broken. It wore heavy armor, did lots of damage, and was rarely ever hit. If they could only bring half that class' spells or abilities and sprinkle it into DD2, I'd be happy. It was a lot of fun to play. TBF, all the classes were fun in their own way. Alchemist had a lot of interesting mobility options and utility at the same time as being capable of some impressive damage. I had a warrior pawn who, despite being a DPS class, could brace her way through just about every encounter. She tanked better than my actual tank. Sorry, I get started on DDON and I can't shut up. It was a great game, just annoying to play because VPN shenanigans, updates breaking fan-made localization patches, etc. There were a lot of hoops to jump through, but it was basically a Dragon's Dogma that you could play co-op and/or make a full party of pawns (eventually). The world suffered for it because of typical MMO things, so it was occasionally less immersive, but it was overall an improvement over the singleplayer game IMO. Shame its monetization was awful. I'll shut up now. [Edit]: I got so caught up in the combat/vocations part I forgot to mention that the I know the Sphinx is basically right out of Dragon's Dogma Online. I don't remember running into the Medusa in DDON, but my memory is pretty bad. Honestly, DDON didn't have that many more monster types over DD:DA. IIRC, the Sphinx shared some moves with another monster, (Griffin or Cockatrice?) but its mechanics were different enough it didn't feel like a copy+paste.

[@uncledoctor6920]

@GorBane by all means don't stop yourself! This is the exact kind of insight from players who played ddo I want to hear. Right now is absolutely the time to act like giddy kids a month before Christmas. I've seen gameplay of online, but just seeing the vocations broken down isn't the same as actually playing around with them. I'm with you on Capcom definitely won't just copy/paste stuff straight from online, it really looks like they're leading with the first game as the main inspiration, which is good. The only thing wrong with the original is just in how much they had to cut from the final product to meet the release deadline, hence why the whole game feels so limited in scope.

[@GorBane]

@@uncledoctor6920 Indeed, I'm glad their back to the original Dragon's Dogma aesthetic. I didn't hate DDON's style, but it was definitely more high-fantasy leaning than DD:DA. Told my friends that DD2 looks like Dragon's Dogma: Remastered, and that's not a bad thing. It feels like "Dragon's Dogma 2: For real this time, guys!" lol Honestly, I'm not one for much speculation. I had a thought that maybe that censor-bearer casting that bridge to the cyclops might be the Priest from DDON, just re-worked to be playable in singleplayer, but I have no evidence to back up that theory at all. I think the thing I want the most from DDON to make it into DD2 that DD:DA didn't have, is that Warriors in DDON could have a full set of 6 skills instead of being locked to 3 like in DD:DA. Oh, and maybe for Seeker/Strider to keep that grappling hook thing. That was ridiculous fun. Lastly, I wonder what'll happen to mystic knight. That wasn't a class in DDON. It was kinda re-worked into Shield Sage, which I did like as a class, but again, it was a tank class so its offensive tools were pretty limited and was focused on party play.

[@uncledoctor6920]

@GorBane my thoughts exactly, concerning DD2 looking like DD remastered. That alone tells me the game is going in a good direction, because there's nothing inherently wrong with how the first game is, only that people wish there was more of it. From the shot of the arid region with the cacti and the bluemoon tower being seen from the perspective of someone standing on a different shore, it looks like we'll be getting exactly that. Could be a few expanded areas, could be the entire Kingdoms of places like Meloire, Hearthstone, Voldoa, who knows. All DD ever needed was a larger scope, and now it's getting it. As for the vocations, we definitely saw some new skills at play. That flying arrow shot the strider did with that goblin for example. It probably won't just be new stuff though, but meaningful reworks of how some of the classes play. If Capcom pulled apart and totally changed how all the classes worked inDDO and even added totally new ones, they have for sure taken the same approach with the original vocations. Looking forward to seeing what they've done. And that censer, that could just be an item used across classes. One thing I hope for is that certain classes feel less limited in their gameplay by virtue of just being that class, like how warrior's mobility gets gimped from the lack of skills or abilities. They can't dodge like striders and they don't have something quick like blink strike.

[@yammoto148]

@@GorBane I mean tbh, I would prefer the secondary weapons at least for a single player game as its just a bit more immersive that your character who is a monster hunter covers all their bases and doesn't lean on just one niche. Also hope we get to respec a bit easier with less penalties because the first game made it really hard to switch between a physical and a magical class. But I am hoping for more vocations in general, like more classes that can heal besides the mage, more weapon choices like spears or other things. In the trailer one of the casters was using a censer so it will be interesting to see what they do for this game class wise.

[@Danny2k34]

I'm so excited DD2 was announced as I absolutely adored the first one and was the first game I ever played multiple times, but depressing because I know deep down it'll be years before we actually get it. :c

[@kieselzusammen]

If it's a prequel, maybe now we'll get to see who the unknown traveler (Tomb of the Unknown Traveler) is, along with many other locations in the first game with potential backstories.

[@DeMause]

I never played DDO but from the base game there are two things I really want. First thing is a proper brawler class so I can climb up a dragon and kill it with repeated punches to the face without needing to track down specific rings from the DLC. The other is for an expansion of the black powder attacks assassin has access to in the first game. I thought they were the coolest thing (especially the sword one where you put an explosive on the ground and then set it off) but once again not really worth going to the trouble of using.

[@shagaru1234]

i still think that the griffon in the trailer is the same one in the bluemoon tower quest and capcom allows us to ride on its back back to bluemoon tower so we dont have to walk all the way there

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

Ahh. I always thought that Grigori was the same dragon every cycle just reborn through new Arisen.

[@justr1809]

Magick Archer again. That was my favorite class. Cant wait to play it again with new skills.

[@rf2642]

Dragons Dogma 2!! Purple Koolaid for everybody. Celebrate :) Woot woot!

[@crilleedara]

This is so frickin' mind-blowing!!! I think it can be a prequel, but it can also be a sequel in which our Arisen has become the Dragon or the Dragon is still Grigori and our Arisen sacrificed their Beloved

[@Lazarus3737]

Censer is the object in which you insert incense. A *Thurible* is the entirety of the censer along with the chains, used to flail around at sermons. More than likely will be called Thurible if accurate, but who knows.

[@raphathekid]

As i've said in many other channels and on Reddit community itself, here goes my theory so far: The same cycle is happening again, with Grigori still alive and David Lodge making his voice, meaning that there's a possibility it's a setting before the events of Dogma 1 OR a paralel world happening at the same time, since every Player was an Arisen in your own world. I also though that tower in the distance was Bluemlon Tower, and this land could be Gransys before crumbling (Do you all notice the ruins that surrounds Gran Soren)? Like the Pawns says "Castle walls? Or ruins of such?", so maybe it's a prequel as a second game. What matters more, is that new creatures, armors, weapons, lands too (Vermund in this case) and Beastmen race will be available in the sequel, as if Itsuno is inserting again all the CUT CONTENT that falted in the first game! So, if now he's finally having such freedom and being made in RE Engine, tons of stuff is now possible due to new hardware and etc. In other words Rift, i'm feeling a strong good vibe about this trailer, was got with guard lowered (Was hoping for a trailer during SGF OR Hame Awards, just), and then... BOOM, PS Showcase!! That brought me to tears, in a year with NO E3 ='D Well, many new stuff are present now, even from MMO (Sphynx, haha) but the cycle is the very same. So i guess my theory is valid for now >D And about a fake Arisen, i don't care that much. What is intriguing is that necklace Sovran os wearing, and WHY you begin Dogma 2 in Gaol Know what? I need a PS5 now, the tendency just grew more after this trailer, haha And an important detail: Capcom itself named as "1st Trailer", so that means we'll have MOAR 8DDD

[@UmbraDiSol]

I have a strong feeling that this is a different cycle. We know that the cycle takes place across many "worlds" or parallel dimensions- even at the end when your pawn "condenses" thousands of versions of itself into one to gain personhood at last. I think this is a parallel universe, one that may inform the original game's grander story.

[@UmbraDiSol]

Like how cool would it be if you break the cycle and then end up in a parallel world space that happens to be the leftover world from the original game, and then you progress even further and end up on the moon. Cosmology, lore, meta-history... Ugh I'm so excited.

[@redtheturtle]

Considering one ending is the Arisen losing to the Senseshal and becoming the next dragon, I think this could either be a sequel to Dragon's Dogma's first time period, or considering the water level like you mentioned, a prequel. A time before the first game, since the cycle is never ending between Arisen and the Dragon. The first game, if I remember correctly gave us choice to break that cycle through specific actions but we could easily fall right into the repeated cycle. The Arisen becoming the dragon if they fail, or if going by the anime, if they slay the dragon for vengeance. Either way I love what is happening, what they learned from Dark Arisen plus DDO, I'm sure this game will be absolutely phenomenal. I was personally really hoping for multiplayer of some sort, will the Rift Stones work the same as in Dark Arisen where we can access other people's pawns for party members? If there's no multiplayer to speak of I hope they'll touch up on previous features and add whole new ones to make the single player experience even better. I can't wait to see more gameplay and in-depth looks at the class systems. The mage making a bridge of ice in the trailer to cross the gap? That looked so good. There's so much potential with this game.

[@Niktuono]

I really doubt that it’s actually Gransys despite the look a likeness of the city to Gran Soren and blue moon tower, because if we approach Gran Soren from the north we wouldn’t see the tower since the coast is on the left side of the zoom out, that would put the tower behind us, still if we approach the city from west, yes that put the tower on the left side of the view but the tower sit in a peninsula connecting it to the main land on the west not the east like is shown in the trailer since there would be the sea instead of mountains tops.

[@NimrodTheHunter]

I noticed something, I hope it gets pinned: So theres that someone who said: "Long live Sovran of Vermund!,, And in the first game, there was Duke of Gransys. So Vermund is the new country, and the Sovran is like the Duke.

[@nightrain1121]

Tbh, I don’t think this is a sequel or a prequel, but a reboot, or alternate timeline.

[@darkdude9248]

i really hope they are given enough time to fully finish the game. it was so sad hearing how much was cut from the first, but it still has one of my favorite final bosses of all time

[@lordgriefington]

Just thinking. Maybe we witness or take part of how everything gets destroyed. The blue moon tower, the land, grand soren. The blue moon tower seems to have a little more structure to it

[@kai9755]

Wonder if we’ll be able to revisit bitterblack isle in DD2!!!

[@dotgif397]

the most exciting thing is when those two dudes high five

[@geleiou]

Looks like Dogma 2 is a foundation, a reboot of sorts, for a new period were they will treat the franchise maybe like a Souls competitor? I hope

[@Victoryn]

So fucking hyped for this game!

[@dylonandrew1]

i cant wait for the berserk references and berserk-like gear to wear and use

[@paulhicks8982]

If they remove daggers from the archer vocations. Then I probably won't bother with dragons dogma 2. As I did not like the change in online. But will continue to play the original dragons dogma/ dark arisen. Thank you for the videos.

[@eggguy20]

My hope is that the fighter vocational gains ability to use maces and spears since Fighters using spears was a focus in the art book and the concept of the first Arisen as a whole

[@mauauauauaua14]

that drawing on hillfigure knoll!

[@Maznator]

methinks the game isn't set in the past or the future of DD1 but is instead a re-imagining of how DD1 was supposed to be in the first place.

[@Darkguiver]

From what they show in the netflix adaption and the previous game, theres basically a multiverse where even the same characters can be altered, even the dragon will not go to the same area for the arisen. none of the dogma series or games have to be a continuation, it can be like final fantasy with different characters in different worlds and id still play it lol.

[@DevinOfBacon]

At the end, you mention parallel worlds. My theory is that this Grigori is the same Grigori we killed in DD1, but in an alternate universe. OR that the Dragon simply always has the same voice and appearance, despite being different individuals that become the Dragon. The trailer even only refers to him as 'Dragon' rather than Grigori. It's also worth considering the likelihood of the story being retconned, especially considering the breast-kin characters being included in the game, despite not being present in the first game or even DDON. (I think DDON was set far before DD1, but I'm not certain.)

[@vshiki4872]

I feel like the first theory is the most accredited. We see in Dark Arisen that Ashe's mentor, Grette, uses her own voice after turning into a dragon.

[@wintertrooper7918]

I'm thinking that this is either really really far back (like our pc in this would be the seneschal that the dude in the opening tutorial of the first would have fought) and in the intervening millenia the beastkin died out or its really really far in to the future and the beastkin are a new race from a different continent

[@DevinOfBacon]

@@vshiki4872 I honestly don't remember Dark Arisen's story much at all

[@DevinOfBacon]

@@wintertrooper7918 Can't be, because if it's Grigori, it would have to be after he became Seneschal, because the Arisen can only become Seneschal after killing the Dragon.

[@wintertrooper7918]

@@DevinOfBacon the dragons always look the same

[@chosen3847]

I think that this story is probably how the cycle happened and maybe breaking it

[@ZephrusPrime]

The village looks North of the Bluemoon Tower with the ocean to the left side and not the right.

[@exister4959]

Is there any news on this game being coop? I dream of a 1v1 or 3v3 pvp game mode or something like that.

[@traceyjacobsen8544]

I just realized after rewatching the trailer we see every vocation except seemingly 1 We see fighter, warrior, strider, ranger, mage, sorcerer, magick archer and mystic knight But not assassin? Or presumably not assassin? Im wondering if assassin was perhaps somewhere in there but was hidden, since its a red/yellow vocation it used swords, daggers, shields and bows, so if its in the trailer its impossible to tell without an obvious assassin skill or say daggers sheathed with a sword in hand or possibly a few new weapons for assassin

[@TrySomeFish]

I have a theory that you will be able to tag out and play as your pawn. The way the two characters trade places when they high five is too suspect, with one leaving the focus of the frame and the other coming closer. Also we see these two characters in the same scene when they're fighting the troll, and at that moment they're both pawns, but clearly one of them is being played as in the high five segment. Just speculation but I do wonder.

[@morfruse]

The pawn with the white fur cap and scarf is later seen touching the rift stone

[@ronniebattle6756]

Whoo, whoo😁, all aboard the hype train

[@texus835]

a question, does the beloved have to die in the first game? I barely heard here and there about it and I'm about to try it out.

[@alexcomer63]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Mage had the best healing, when I played DDDA last I was around level 180 and my pawn was a mage because I always wanted a dedicated healer with my Assassin Arisen. If I'm wrong, then I probably just had a sorcerer Pawn.

[@nunyabizness6089]

Mage had the *only* healing.

[@MarcelSt]

Could it be that if it takes place before dd1 the new "guide" dude is later the leader of the cult that worship's the dragon? I mean they look much alike just that he's older and have that scar over his eye in dd1

[@The-Black-Death]

THIS GAME BETTER HAVE CROSSBOWS AND POLEARMS.

[@MrPistoleroGun]

I love all those theories, community crafting and how we all see those things and await patiently the next infos. But personally ... i just want mystic knight like DD1 👀Nothing else, all those cool things will wait, Itsuno please give me my vocation please !!!

[@highonclouds2823]

I thought there was a spell sword class in DDO that’s what the twin blade guy looks like two me

[@YokkelTV]

2:02 One thing I realized that doesn't make sense: How come Grigori is still alive after the tutorial when Savan clearly has slain him?

[@amspook]

Grigori doesn't have to be the same person Once an Arisen is slain by Seneschal, he/she became the Dragon, a complete husk of former self

[@YokkelTV]

@@amspook But the voice is still the same

[@amspook]

@@YokkelTV Ye, the voice can be the same but it doesn't have to be the same person

[@YokkelTV]

@@amspook Dunno about that, there is no statement or fact whatsoever. The only other dragon we heared was Grette which sounded different.

[@amspook]

@@YokkelTV Perhaps gender plays a role? If female died, then the dragon will have a female voice?

[@nonamesoloist]

Am I the only one who just watches a trailer without analyzing it so I can enjoy the game relatively blindly resulting in an endless state of joy-of-discovery?

[@BadEnd98]

Best discoveries: If you noticed, we have several waifus from this trailer now

[@Golghrom]

Every Arisen that fails at the Seneschal becomes Grigori, It's not necesary the same one. Remember Arisen!

[@kraosdadafusfus8034]

You see, all the Arisen that turn into Dragons look like this. He could be another, rather than Grigori.

[@sekory88]

never been hyped more for a game . I hope they polish the game before announceing a release date.

[@YoiAgastra]

Maybe it takes place on "main island" or perhaps take story of lordhero king Leonard.

[@Hjarrun]

I'm so fucking excited

[@shiprek900]

My only issue with using Grigori as the center of a theory for this is being a prequel to the first game is that Grigori technically appears multiple times throughout the timeline of the first game. First as the dragon that Savan slays in the past-which we know he was successful in because he becomes the Seneschal we fight in the first play through-second as the dragon we the player slay, and third as the Ur-Dragon that has devoured the hearts of numerous Arisen in a parallel world accessible in the Everfall. So while it could be a prequel, but it could also still be a sequel taking place after the events of the first game, or it could even be set in an alternate parallel world to the first

[@kingofflames738]

Little side note, but Grigori wasn't Savan's dragon since Savan's dragon is dead. Grigori was a different person. Killing a dragon frees them from the cycle.

[@shiprek900]

@@kingofflames738 At the very least all three of the dragons I mentioned shared the same voice actor, which is the entire reason people are calling this one Grigori. So either every dragon born to that specific world is Grigori simply given new life through the defeat of an Arisen at the hands of the Seneschal, or it’s simply that all of the main red dragons share the one of two voices and the same appearance with the only real effect of the slain Arisen being the sex of the dragon born (I say this because of Grette’s dragon being female). But either way the bulk of my point remains: this dragon sharing the same voice actor as Grigori doesn’t indicate that it’s a prequel by any means because thus far every male “red” dragon has had this same exact appearance and voice actor including Savan’s, ours, the Ur-Dragon, and even the dragon from the anime. So the game could be anything from a prequel, a sequel, to a sort of soft reboot taking place in a parallel world and we will only really know for sure once it’s officially confirmed

[@kingofflames738]

@@shiprek900 Grigori isn't the only dragon we know of by name. There's also Grette.

[@shiprek900]

@@kingofflames738 Yes, I am aware as I even mentioned Grette in my message. That's also why I suggested that the Great Dragon may have a preset appearance with one of two voices/identities dictated by the sex of the creature, which is then dictated by the sex of the Arisen that is slain by the Seneschal. I say that the identity may be sort of preset as well, because once she has become a dragon Grette's name is never mentioned again in the context of that dragon, and outside of Grigori we never hear any other name for a male great dragon. But what we *do* have is that Savan's dragon, Grigori, the Ur-Dragon, the dragon from the anime, and now the dragon from DD2 are the only male Great Dragons we've seen and they are all identical to one another in every way with the exception of the Ur-Dragon, who has more hearts and is undead. They have the same exact design, voice, personality, and mannerisms. So as I said in my last comment: the main point of my message is that any specifics are irrelevant, because the design and voice are not indicators of this being the same instance of the Great Dragon we all know and love, and thus have no bearing on whether this is a prequel, sequel, or parallel cycle and that we will simply have to find out for certain which it is when they provide more information on that specific aspect of the game

[@lordgriefington]

I am looking so much forward to it. Maybe we can totally alternate the game based on the decisions we make no only small results. That would give us totally different stories so many times we play. Maybe the arisen can be hero or outlaw. I may get a little fancy but I would like that. I wonder what system requirements it has. I don't run Hogwarts Legacy on high resolution. I am sure you will let us know.

[@TheFalloutization]

its time to start fresh and smoke through bitterblack again in preparation. Beyond excited. Been wanting this more than way more than anything else for so long.

[@drkmgic]

welp time to replay dragons dogma again.

[@Effect-Without-Cause]

In the original, wasn't the Ur Dragon also Grigori, just in a different world where he was never defeated? So there are multiple parallel worlds in the original already.

[@gobro2688]

Perhaps this is another dragon and every "Dragon" looks the same and has the same voice actor? Or is it a prequel and our quest destined to fail (since we obviously don't fell Grigori).

[@kamikaze00007]

The last Arisen abandoned the throne of god using the God's Bane and now we are left with a godless world. The curse of the dragon returns once again in search for a new chosen one to sit on the throne, while the anomalies from Rifts across time and space have begun to engulf the rest of the world with no god to watch over and maintain the balance. The new Duke of Gransys has taken the bargain with the dragon and has gained power beyond any human instead of fulfilling his task as Arisen. The task of saving the world and achieving godhood now lies on your hands newly Arisen!

[@reagenlionel]

I don't think it being set in the past can be evidenced by grigori. As even if the arisen ascends to seneshal. They can still send a dragon down to continue the cycle, or chose the choice to end themselves, which we don't know what happens next, but is evident a new cycle can start. As we know there are more a risen from other worlds in the rift from bitterblack isle. There's also the case that the dragon on the logo is slightly different looking than grigori.

[@yourhomiechillinvibes]

Would be nice to see different biomes or even outside of the country. Hell maybe if we're lucky the world could be as big as Skyrim.

[@ahmadbugshan9603]

never played a dragons dogma game but i was always interested after i first heard about it with the announcement of dragons dogma 2 my plan is if the game was connected to the first game story i would play the first game and wait for the 2nd one to get a decent sale if it wasnt connected i would probably buy it on release if it was really good or wait for a minor sale if it was decent i get that DD1 was really good but the new one looks like what if DD1 but a lot better in every way if it was worse i will get DD1

[@Barooth100]

it could be a prequel or it's the "fake" ending, where the Arisen doesn't become Seneschal. As said in the ending, the Seneschal lets the Arisen do his thing and waits for the next Candidate, that Candidate could be the DD2 Arisen. Unlikely Situation but something to maybe keep in mind

[@parasite159]

I'm not convinced that this game is going to be set in Gransys (or at least Gran Soren), people seem to be latching on to this concept soley on the idea that this is the same 'Blue moon tower' that we see in the first game, but with so much mystery surrounding the tower and it's purpose, it could simply be one of many towers in the world, or even an artifact that spans the rift and appears in all possible worlds much like the Everfall. we've also had the name drop of 'Vermund' as a location, but no mention of Gransys, Gran Soren, or any other location from the original game. I for one don't want a 'remake' or 're-imagining' of the original game, i'd like new stories to expand the games universe

[@Wyvernil]

A few people have noted that the ocean appears to be on the wrong side for the Bluemoon Tower and Gran Soren - it's possible the setting is a new kingdom north of Gransys, and they're filling out the missing parts of the map.

[@indeedgaminghere401]

I'm still not completely convinced this is a prequel. I mean Dragon being back is strange, but I'm the beginning of Dogma 1 he had just shown up. Not unless there was a huge unmentioned time skip before this where this prequel happened. And then, it's been a while to be fair. But i don't remember their being a Arisen recently in Dogma one. Which would mean this would have to be decently far in the past. And if so, the I think it's unlikely that they wouldn't have shown off the Blue Moon Palace still destroy in the same way it was before. In top of that, this new race was left out of Dogma one, so for them to show in the prequel as just being in the area and being pawns. This game would also have to explain what happened to them. Which of course they could do, I'm just not sure how likely it'll be. I think it's possible that we thought we broke the cycle but were wrong. Our breaking that cycle caused a new one which includes these different species of monsters showing up. We may have broken the dust cycle, but who is the one that set the cycle in in the first place, the one that created it. We become basically God at the end of the last game, but it could be what started the cycle is above what we become (like actual God maybe, idk lol). Started a new and more dangerous cycle cause we broke the last 1

[@should_296]

just let me explore the seas

[@amazingdoorbob5458]

So excited for the beastnen, im hoping theres a tiger one. But ill be okay with just the lion and leopard

[@TehClanLeader]

if you play NG+ you face your former character as Seneschal or a random players arisen as Seneschal. this could just be another cycle.

[@thecosmicnewtofsol91]

I wonder if it takes place in the far past instead of a continuous timeline