New Bosch ebikes have more tech than your car

In the 2024 model year, Bosch is expanding their smart system - and combining the physical with the digital eBike experience. They’re creating more compact and integrated components that balance design and performance that blend unobtrusively into the bike. With technology that's smarter, safer, more efficient, more stylish, and more entertaining.
This video will be focusing more on the cargo and commuter bike side of things. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us. Hope you guys enjoy!
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0:00 Introduction to new Bosch eBike Smart System updates
0:52 New Bosch eBike Smart System Motors
1:25 Bosch SX motor
2:20 New Lightweight eBikes
2:50 Bosch Smart System Custom Rider Modes
3:10 New security features on the Bosch Smart System
4:45 ABS coming to the United States
6:15 Bosch Purion 200 Display
6:40 Bosch Mini Remote Dropper
7:05 Retrofitting Bosch displays
7:29 Bosch Kiox 500 display
8:00 Update to navigation
8:45 Sprint mode option
9:15 New motors added to smart system
9:40 Compact Tube 400
9:56 Bosch 400 wh frame mounted power pack
10:15 Smart System dual battery
10:30 Powermore 250 range extender
13:40 Introducing eshift to Bosch Smart System
14:45 New Bosch charger options
15:10 When are we going to see all of this?
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[@GrantSR]

I like the idea of the electronic theft deterrents, as long as they don't have to go through some cloud service. It should be a Bluetooth connection directly between my phone and the bike, and go nowhere else.

[@GrayWithMe]

Why

[@letsgoOs1002]

But Bluetooth has a real world range of like 50 feet. So if bike is stolen no way to track.

[@jacobmars1902]

@@GrayWithMethe idea is that there is no dependency other than your bike and phone, so that when the server goes down it still work

[@robcherry6734]

I agree for the lock/unlock, but that would defeat the point of a theft alert/tracking system, no?

[@operavin]

That totally makes sense. Bluetooth is for unlocking in for operations, but tracking is done through the Internet and GPS. Just like my Tesla. I’m really waiting for some sort of universal locking system that has some kind of vertical spike that goes into receptacles in the concrete sidewalks or parking areas so we don’t need to carry chains around. Maybe I’m smoking crack though…

[@orvilleclisby6748]

I think there will always be a demand for a simple mechanical bike.

[@Bacciagalupe]

It's not all about us biking enthusiasts that are familiar with limit braking etc. ANYTHING that gets more people on bikes is a good thing - it benefits all of us

[@RikAhlberg]

Nice to see all this innovation, especially around ABS & security. Is any of it built around open standards or is all of it proprietary to Bosch?

[@deriansilva368]

Something lighter with more range and torque is definitely nice for NYC. That power more is gonna be very helpful! Thinking of getting it for the Benno, I usually gotta pedal acoustic after doing a bunch of deliveries all day

[@Digital.Done.Right.]

I've ridden 1000mWH for 3 years now after your consulting sold me on it. True, my case is more hard-core trail touring with a load and plenty of meters of climbing involved but it has been a dream. System weight is heavy - nothing around that but I never (well almost) have range anxiety. Now, a lighter-weight city tourer with a range extender sounds like a really interesting addition. Thanks for this video, Chris.

[@vishnureddy3977]

I can see ABS being more useful on heavy-duty cargo bikes and less so on lighter bikes.

[@daviddreyfuss2453]

Very informative! Great to see things that were announced last year are trickling into the market. Personally interested in cushy dual suspension for street use.

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

I have an e-Gravel bike with Fazua motor, but dealing with a small company with not so ideal customer service, I was really looking for Bosch to create something more suitable for gravel. Which here I learned about it :) Looking forward to seeing SX line-up in Germany now 🙌

[@liamredmill9134]

Super interesting breakdown,light for stair's/carrying an extra large mechanics toolbox.all we need now is a spider web hammock tent/camping bicycle

[@PhillipTheBrandon]

I'm always more interested in the innovations in the physical space than in the digital space. So ABS is really interesting to me. The lighter motors is very welcome, but it just feels like a technology maturing in an expected direction. The displays and apps and things are just so ephemeral (like, literally but also not much direct impact on my ride), it feels like companies meting out less significant programming features and nice-to-haves to buy time for the mechanical engineers to make really impactful breakthroughs.

[@quaternion-pi]

Regenerative power braking ? Love your content.

[@eliprotiva222]

For real

[@drill_fiend1097]

It's sad to not see them on ebikes because many small scooters already have them.

[@clamato54]

Live GPS navigation has been a challenge doing deliveries and for first time rides in new places so I'm intrigued by improvements there, not much room for both ebike display and cell phone mounts which are clumsy in bright sun, rain, etc

[@gobshite99]

I have this year's load 60 with abs. It's great on wet roads or loose gravel.

[@scottstormcarter9603]

I want to see more battery management in bikes, temperature and percent of charge. Battery insulating options. Clearly bicycle security and safety features are important. Are there any good braking systems that prevent flipping the bike with the front brake? It doesn't seem possible with my 70lb e-bike.

[@eliprotiva222]

Absolutely better battery life management, standard in all new electric vehicles, i have to cobble together some diodes to put inline just to get 80% charging

[@abbaby555]

Really interesting tech happening on ebikes lately

[@eyebex]

Living in a town that has snow five months a year, I have not got a bakfiets style e-bike because of traction concerns on the small diameter front wheel that I believe would not perform well in snow conditions. I am curious to learn if antilock brakes would actually alleviate this issue.

[@d-entrecasteaux]

The Powermore range extender is a great idea. My wife has a habit of running too close to empty and this would be a good back up.

[@kurt9609]

Lighter weight system options interest me most. I mainly bikepack on my Active Line+ 500mah hybrid. Happy with range and power but it's a beast to carry down my stairs. It collects dust while I do all my flat-land errands and rides under 20 miles on acoustic bike.

[@thrallingFRglory]

Out of curiosity, how much does your bike weigh?

[@xmateinc]

Im getting a second battery and am planning to tour the Alaska to Argentina route on my bosch speed motor. So definitely need the 85nm of torque!

[@elliots4370]

Would love to know how to retrofit the 3x3 hub onto my MY22 Load!

[@nurbs2322]

I'm disabled and can't use hand brakes so I was REALLY excited to see these have optional coaster brake support.

[@lawrencevaughan4546]

I was wondering if indicators are are to be introduced on future bikes as they are popular on motor bikes now and wouldn’t be hard to fit

[@junemorkin6336]

The light bikes is a good idea and the new tech, but I am looking forward to seeing more upright built bikes like the ones you see in Europe and Japan.

[@cameronveale7768]

Interesting to see the evolution in just 5 yrs. Looking forward to some kind of flexible solar panel to charge batteries when breaking for lunch. ABS is pretty cool. Still believe most will be using electric and manual bikes than owning an EV cheers

[@xmateinc]

yea ive been looking at solar charging for a long tour, and seems like you need a big panel making it a big hassle to do on tour. We're getting closer to have 200watt portable solar panels!

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

Personally, I am not a fan of solar panels on ebikes but I suppose you could get a decent size flexible one on your bag.

[@cameronveale7768]

Exactly what i would like to have. Short video from a physicist with solar panel on towed trailer and success/failure. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6S9e6Svo7Obhc0@@user-pq4by2rq9y

[@tedbellWRV]

I'm interested in the e-shift for Rohloff being available with larger battery (that is the 750Wh). I would like the increased battery capacity for winter riding in temps between 0F and 25F. I'm really interested in the new integrated Pinion motor/gearbox - which is something Bosch has not yet talked about (that is, they have not talk about an integrated motor/gearbox solution). ABS sounds like a bit much for my needs, as I never encounter situations where I feel the braking is inadequate. No one its talking about this yet, but my battery-powered electric snowblower (Toro E26, with 1.35kWh battery capacity) has heated hand grips. In winter riding, that would be awesome on an e-bike.

[@MrMikeDao]

I don’t see how these features are more advance than cars but it’s very much appreciated for the safety and convenience for us

[@TahoeRealm]

Oh my gosh this is gonna be good 👍

[@drill_fiend1097]

A video on electric velomobile would be interesting as next topic

[@whitefluffydogs9278]

I really like that my power system is tied to my phone. Being able to brick the bike is def added security

[@WaechterDerNacht]

I really don't like to see things where you have the hardware but need a subscription to use it on bikes. It's the same sh*t as we already saw with "games as a service" or with the Zero motorbikes and also bigger car manufacturers. If I order a car without seat heating i don't want to carry it around anyways. If I order a car with seat heating i want it to work without any subscription. Same with grip heating on motorbikes etc. Really don't like that this model is getting into bikes now...

[@KellyanneGill]

I'd love to see, an option for solar power to recharge the battery, now that would be awesome

[@Propelbikes]

We’ve seen someone different examples here, but todays solar panels seem to lack the efficiency for this to really work.

[@KellyanneGill]

@@Propelbikes well let's hope that Ebike manifactures aroud the world can design a system suitable for all Ebikes, no matter the age of the bike

[@cadriver2570]

@@Propelbikesif you could get 300 watt hours in a day ride that would be worth it to me. I’m assuming the panel array would be unfolded and used during a break.

[@wktodd]

Bricking battery and motor would certainly help if it was well publicised . DNA marking parts would also be a simple option. I was surprised so many bikes have no electronic lock , it's such a simple thing to add. . That said, I am not attached to a phone like some people so something on the bike's display would be nice.

[@chocolatesugar4434]

I’m really looking forward to the cargo bikes or even eav’s to become more accessible and popular

[@toniderdon]

So proud to have Bosch, a great German charity company

[@MrRobket]

The automotive fuel pump company? I'm glad they're investing their R&D into alternatives to gas cars. I guess they can see the writing on the wall.

[@toniderdon]

"Automotive fuel pump company" is probably the worst description of Bosch I ever heard. Yeah they also make stuff for cars, but they also make washing machines (under the names Bosch and Siemens), dishwashers, cooking equipment, vacuum cleaners and much more. They divide their company into products and services. Product has three big categories: Mobility, Home, Industrial and Manufacturing. And within their mobility category, stuff for cars is one part. @@MrRobket

[@letsgoOs1002]

Can you make the charger 4 enviolo into and automatic easily? Wife would love that for hers

[@Propelbikes]

I don’t know if it would be simple, but it would likely be possible. Not sure if you’re local to us, but we would be happy to help you if you are

[@letsgoOs1002]

@@Propelbikes I am in the DC area but willing to travel to Delaware to have it worked on. What would be the best way to get in touch with someone to figure something out?

[@cadriver2570]

@@PropelbikesEnviolo says it’s possible and provides instructions. My shop hasn’t done it either. Really wish shops learned how to do this so we could upgrade.

[@tuttebelleke]

Due to a nerve disease, myself can only put a very little amount of torque to the pedals, which makes driving the classic Bosch E-bikes rather difficult. Is there any option to adapt this detection torque with the new Bosch drives? Thanks for any feedback!

[@cadriver2570]

You can turn up the "dynamic" in the app so that it responds sooner, more like a cadence sensor. Make sure to test it though. If the shop is at all competent they should be able to connect via the app. It's very easy.

[@tuttebelleke]

@@cadriver2570 Thanks for your feedback! Is this an option with all versions of bosch motors or only the latest ones?

[@cadriver2570]

@@tuttebelleke You're welcome! I can't entirely speak to earlier versions, but it seems like the Smart System bikes offer more customization.

[@joehopfield]

If front-brake abs could reduce washing out while cornering, wow. Most of my crashes, gone.

[@GroovyVideo2]

I have a Surron and Wish it had much better suspension - bike is fast and needs Real suspension - KYB etc

[@eduardmariusban]

hello I practice a lot of touring with my Riese Muller Delite 2019 model, dual battery. After 21000 km witch i made with my ebike in the last 2 years and other thousants with other ebikes, i've come to a conclusion, so two things matter on the long ebike tours: 1. the range 2. the time you spent recharging your batteryes Until the tehnologies of batteryes will not go further from the point where is now, for me at least, I have no interest to change my ebike just for a apliccation who communicate with the ebike and who shows you a map or other things. So, that two points i think is most important, the rest are... kinda of marketing...

[@Dopedude44]

I loved this vlog so informative man as always !! I reached out to you an amazing young lady let me know that you will be getting back to me as soon as you can .. I am grateful there’s still good people who love riding and want to impart knowledge!! #allriders #disabledebikerider

[@MarioGoatse]

Hey guys, can anyone here tell me if my bike (Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro) with the Bosch CX which came stock with the Purion display, is able to be fitted with the Kiox display? Mine is the non-smart 2022 model. I’ve heard it’s able to be retrofitted, but the guy at the store says it’s not. What’s the truth here?

[@Propelbikes]

You can put a non-smart system Kiox display, but not the new Kiox 300 or 500

[@cadriver2570]

Anyone using sprint mode?

[@eanerickson8915]

Do a test on the ice.

[@punkdigerati]

I'd like to see all this tech in a velomobile or other micromobility human hybrid vehicle.

[@Casual_Stroll]

I lean against smart systems, if the company involved goes out of business your tech is bricked and depending on how integrated it is into the bike that could be really problematic. Even putting that concern aside I dislike smart systems for 2 main reasons: 1. Most "smart" systems feel pretty dumb a lot of the time, I grew up at a time where everything had an off switch and only did something when you wanted it to and I just often find that my habits are not reflected in most smart systems. 2. Smart tech, especially with monthly subscriptions, seems to lend itself to you not really owning anything. I'm reminded of Peloton bikes where if you end your subscription to their classes you wouldn't be able to use the stationary bike siting in your living room anymore (I'm not sure if this is still the case I remember hearing about this at least a year or 2 ago). Stuff like that is an automatic no for me.

[@Propelbikes]

Definitely with these concerns. I think most of these are not so related to this though. For one, I think it would be difficult for Bosch to go out of business the way they structure their business. They are one of the largest privately held businesses in the world and they are 92% owned by a foundation. I think many business use subscription to take advantage of the customer I think in this case it’s adding a service (gps tracking) which has no way to function without a subscription.

[@pepealexandre8815]

I don't like today's model of producing e-bikes. I buy today a 3.000€, in 10 years the battery must be changed, if not earlier. What can I do with a +15kg e-bike with a dead battery? Will I be able to replace that battery, like I can replace a car battery? I think not, and that is a bummer to me. Bike batteries must be universal, like a car battery.

[@jjohnson5014]

You mean standardized

[@christopherharmon9336]

I hope we get to the point where there are standard batteries, like AA, AÀA, C and D cell batteries. My Radwagon has a battery that mounts to the down tube. Worse case scenario, I can build a 26" rear wheel and have a pedal only cargo bike.

[@PhillipTheBrandon]

Yes, I'm on the lookout for companies who build their ebikes for the many-year lifecycle and afterlife. No quite "imagine this bicycle in a post-apocalypse setting" but at the very least: "Imagine this bike if the next CEO of this company shuts down its cloud servers." or if the company folds altogether.

[@jjohnson5014]

@@christopherharmon9336 with some tinkering the cells within the battery can be replaced

[@jamesgudgeon4868]

Maybe They Can Make the new Part Of A Bundle 7:22

[@GeekonaBike]

I'll be sticking w/ my hub motor until they Brake Regen.

[@buddy1155]

I wish that Bosch would integrated an automatic transmission in their motor so you can keep your cadence steady but the motor and belt speed up if you apply more torque. And a GPS tracker needs to be integrated! otherwise a thief would just disconnect it, and it should use IoT and not a mobile phone connection.

[@gskyber9557]

i love the idea of ABS for cargo bikes!! i know if i wasn’t an avid cyclist having that extra addition of safety would be great, especially for pedaling a larger bike with kids or heavy cargo

[@hahafalseflag5090]

I go the performance line on my trek and it feels like you have to battle through the motor if you're not on turbo mode

[@oldmanriding6291]

Still need a throttle for quick starts at intersections and help with heavier loads.

[@xmateinc]

I get of the line faster then cars, and I only have a ebike, no car. My bike is always loaded down, with a good gear ratio you can get started plenty fast. All the throttle bikes ive ever worked on or ridden, didn't respond as fast as the bosch motor.

[@michael_swardh]

They have the same price as a car too.

[@gobgobcachoo]

Where can I buy a new car for $6k?

[@geezers10]

As a bike tech the addition of ABS is going to be a PITA, an unnecessary bit of technology.

[@xmateinc]

gonna be nice for cargo bikes, or any ebike carrying heavy loads.

[@gobshite99]

No, ABS is great on a cargo bike.

[@eanerickson8915]

I would get steel stud tires instead of ABS. ABS is going to do nothing if your bike slips sideways.

[@GrantSR]

From what I've seen, MOST people NEED ABS. I've been on a bike so long, I have built-in ABS.

[@onebicycle3772]

Chris I am hoping in your upcoming vlogs that you compare the carbon footprint between EV and ebikes. Just for the knowledge of those (millions) people who are car centric

[@munchingsquirrel5067]

Tom on Shifter just did this in a recent episode.

[@onebicycle3772]

@@munchingsquirrel5067 Cool. Will watch later

[@1981menso]

There are bike strip shops in the bushes all over So Cal. I don't think this will deter these type of people; they will strip what they can and throw away the motor. With that being said it will deter other types of thieves who want to steal and turn around and sell it quickly. A e-bike that doesn't run is not worth much on Offer Up.

[@nathang4682]

I understand the security concerns, but i personally have no interest in my bike being connected to my phone in any way

[@Propelbikes]

Great feedback! I’m interested to hear these sorts of things for sure. Technically you can use the computer to make your display into a unique key for your bike. I wonder if that is something you would be open to? I’m just trying to understand more perspectives

[@nathang4682]

@@Propelbikes Hmm maybe, not sure. I just don't like the idea of anything resembling having to "log in" to my bike or it being a connected device. I enjoy it being as close as possible as a non-electric bike, just the addition of assist level, battery display, speedometer, and odometer. Might be kind of arbitrary since my bike still has software and everything, but the idea of forced obsolescence and my bike being subject to any kind of cloud service doesn't sit well with me. That said, I don't have to worry about security much with my commuting habits (I am lucky to be able to lock it up in my work building and my house) so maybe I'd feel different if that wasn't the case, and I totally understand people who do want this kind of thing.

[@MumfordJim]

I hate subscriptions!

[@mandy2tomtube]

The subscription feature alone would make me not buy the bike.

[@nicee_guys]

wtf: paid subscription - why not a product ?!

[@Propelbikes]

The subscription is only for the gps. It would be nice if there’s eventually some technology that would allow this to be free, but it doesn’t seem to be the case right now.

[@nr619]

more electronics and gimmiks means also more problems down the line. a bike should be simple. i don't need a computer .... just a bike !

[@kudosbudo]

i just want an affordable leccy shopper. they are all way too expensive. i dont wanna pay high end mountain bike prices for basic gear. which is what most shops are selling

[@ScottMcCulloughBmax419]

The blackboxed, subscription-based technology model makes all products emminently brickable by manufacturers. It's no wonder e-bike industry lobbyists are fighting right-to-repair legislation. I propose that state and federal laws be changed to counter this trend. If manufacturers are intent on preventing aftermarket repairs, they should shoulder the responsibility for a 20-year, unlimited-mileage warranty on all major drivetrain, braking, and tech components.

[@bm1747]

I hate to see the subscription scams that car companies are trying spreading to bikes. It's a cable and some software that's already installed on your phone. Sell the cable, let the extra security be added value to your products. Don't nickel and dime yourself out of actually helping the average consumer. We don't need to shift the economic abuse of cars over to bikes.

[@Propelbikes]

I do think you have to consider here that what you’re actually paying for is cellular subscription. There isn’t really a way around having that sort of technology without paying for it I understand your concerns and feelings, otherwise and subscriptions but I think that this one is not in that same camp.

[@hayterrlgmailcom]

Thanks!

[@Propelbikes]

Thank you so much!!