NEW Chinese Type 055 Destroyer vs 2020's US Tico & Arleigh Burke III (Naval Battle 83) | DCS

We simulate a battle between Chinese Type 055 Destroyers and modernized US Ticonderoga CMP Cruisers & Arleigh Burke Flight III Destroyers. This is the first time we get a look at the Chinese YJ-18 supersonic and YJ-21 hypersonic ballistic anti-ship missiles.
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5:30 Using Cannon & CIWS
6:36 CJ-10 Cruise Missiles
8:05 Surface To Air Missiles, HHQ-10 & HHQ-9B
12:23 Destroyer Battle, YJ-18 & YJ-21
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[@geri8986]

Damn what a cool mod! Well done, will love to see the future naval battles with these modernised ships

[@Gongolongo]

Idk DCS isn't made for these ballistic missiles and hypersonics.

[@lli8420]

Type 055 looks really clean and beautiful!❤

[@georgez2615]

just copy from U S

[@lli8420]

@@georgez2615 but us does not have sth similar😂

[@lli8420]

yes, u just said sth exactly I want to say!

[@topgunablek]

@@user-iz1xt7vf4s 🤣

[@IetsgoBrandon]

But ccp looks dirty and ugly

[@SonB288]

Really good work on the new units - CH is an incredibly skilled modder. Long live your naval content! I never get tired of watching CIWS go brrrr.

[@alanOHALAN]

I don't think you can intercept YJ-21 easily. But it is fun to watch.

[@Debbiebabe69]

if you want realism.... no way an American captain would let his ship be detected at 95 nautical miles......

[@alanOHALAN]

@@Debbiebabe69 have you heard of a thing called radar?

[@Debbiebabe69]

@@alanOHALAN have you heard of a thing called EMCON?

[@papatango2362]

@@jack99889988 not every satellite has sufficient resolution and/or radar capability to detect AND classify the target.

[@theverminator9923]

@@jack99889988 you dumb if you think satellite can keep a target on something moving like that

[@zylaaeria2627]

055's are some sexy ships. Probably my favorite modern warship.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and wait what is a fellow genshin impact fan what are you doing this far out from the community where it is safe?!

[@zylaaeria2627]

@@user-gu8qi4me8x - lol. Funny enough, I have been out of the Genshin community since 1.6 (been playing since 1.3), but I do play regularly still. The community never really interested me & I enjoy playing the game blind anyways. Lots more fun that way IMO. I frequent lots of military history/geopolitics or sci-fi stuff. You will never see me in the Genshin sphere in all honesty. I don't really follow the official Genshin stuff either. Last trailer I watched I believe was Yelan's & even then it was more out of curiosity at the time. The last character trailers I watched back when I did follow the official stuff was Yoimiya/Ayaka. Yeah, been that long since I last touched the community lol.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

@@zylaaeria2627 wow lm actually speechless right now lol and where do I actually even start.

[@Black_loyalist]

In Real Scenario, Type 055 would Launch YJ-18 first then YJ-21. So both will arrive in the same time from space (YJ-21) & sea level (YJ-18). YJ-21 also have Maneuvarable warhead, not conventional like potrayed in this simulation 🇨🇳

[@jeremiahhandcock1795]

The YJ21 is being largely underestimated in the video. According to the V2 in the WWⅡ，V2 re-enter atmosphere speed was 1200 m/s while the speed of hitting the ground was 600 ms/s. The YJ21 has a re-enter atmosphere speed of 10-12 mach and a much more advanced design than V2, it can reach 5-6 mach easily when it hit the target. The momentum is already enough to destory a ship without considering its warhead's penatration blast.

[@mr.fantastic4403]

with that speed it'll just punch right through the entire ship

[@wuli_bottle]

@@mr.fantastic4403 The warheads are not just a bunch of metals. Instead, they have sensors and explosives.

[@jankuscrankus3122]

I think YJ-21 capabilities, along with a lot of other Chinese military hardware, are greatly overhyped by CCP. CCP lies more than Russian MOD. It’s hard to tell how good any Chinese hardware is, even though I’m sure some of it is actually as good as they say.

[@minitaco3367]

@@jankuscrankus3122 use your own brain think, and not only get information from western media

[@jankuscrankus3122]

@@minitaco3367 I did not draw this information from any western sources. I simply used simple deduction and the transitive property to ascertain that because the CCP has been caught lying about capabilities before, and since they have an incentive to overhype the YJ-21 (scare and deter Americans), they are likely lying about its capabilities in some capacity. I urge you not to take the CCP at face value, same as you shouldn't take any government at face value.

[@cassius_eu5970]

That's an absolutely fantastic mod, props to CH and you guys!

[@lukindmitri1339]

Tried 055 vs Ticons scenario in the *hardcore* "Command: Modern Operations", and these YJ21s performed miserably, missing basically all in multi slavoes against single US CSG. Until I checked it out in database viewer and saw the parameters the dev team had set for them. Sensors: Surface radar, late 1970s technology. LOL, you could jam it with a hairdryer.

[@user-mu2wp4qe2n]

它'太有趣了，白宫应该要求你担任国防部长。

[@ozsharpener]

YJ-21 reportedly has a side optical window for an infrared imaging sensor, combined with its active/passive radar seeker. To cool down the infrared seeker they also developed a special air cooling system which uses high pressure airflow. So when YJ-21 is diving and also decelerating at terminal phase, it will fly a wiring orbit which allows the side infrared imaging sensor to assist or even drive the homing process towards the target. So normal electromagnetic interference won't be effective.

[@thomaszhang3101]

Just a minor correction: 8 are currently launched, tested and commissioned, of which 5 had undergone qualification and deemed qualified for high intensity situations.

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@rucker69women whom I went to bed with 8 055 destroyers, wait what?

[@Tounguepunchfartbox]

@@thomaszhang3101 rookie numbers

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@Tounguepunchfartbox I feel challenged lol

[@JYF921]

The Chinese Destroyers all suck, they have no real naval experience, why does this video make it so overpowered? 人家拿枪瞄着你，你难道非要纠正对方，告诉对方怎样才能瞄的更准？

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@JYF921 美国是个一群精英拖着一堆低教育人群奔跑的国家。这个视频美国决策层看都不看

[@Stinger522]

From an aesthetic standpoint, the Chinese have made an impressive-looking monster of a ship in the form of the 055. Now that this battle ended in a stalemate, what happens to all of the placed bets?

[@lagrangewei]

the defence contractor of the 2 side spilt the money. and continue rigging the fight so no one wins... that's how the industry works. =)

[@khangkt1721]

Aircraft armed with LRASM and attack submarines swoop in somewhere in the middle of the battle

[@lolasdm6959]

@@lagrangewei Chinese military industrial complex is state owned

[@zhangyi5145]

@@lolasdm6959 the USA governmental industry is owned by its military industrial complex too

[@lolasdm6959]

@@zhangyi5145 No, the US arms industry sells things to the US for a profit, Chinese arms industry only gets profit from exports not from selling to the Chinese government.

[@strambino1]

Awesome job CH and Cap! I’m finally getting a computer that can run DCS because of this show! That “chaff” counter measure system is a little much, but still really good to see new ships. Can’t wait to see the 052D and the FFG 62.

[@MrHien1995]

The HHQ-9 on the type 055 has the special capability of firing blind then guided to the target by the AWACS. That is the reason for its super long range and put on the huge 9m VLS cell

[@papatango2362]

The SM6 has CEC too

[@theverminator9923]

You need air superiority for that but I think is stealth kill squads would make sure no awacs are ever going to get that close

[@tomli9793]

​@@theverminator9923 At this point, anti stealth radar comes in handy. The game on the future battlefield will be quite exciting

[@owoyomitaiwoadeyemi7085]

@@tomli9793stealth will probably over power radars in a long run , Us have figured out a ram coating will makes f35 less visible to even Aesa radar at short distance,Aesa can pick them up at 12 nm will be able to fire at them at maybe 5nm ,f35 radar can spot a target at even longer ranges it track Phoenix second stage missle at 1200nm

[@heman24344243]

​@@theverminator9923this is j-20 duty

[@eifionwynwilliams-iffy1288]

The Type 055's are not going to be alone either, so two or three of them working together would be really impressive.

[@grimreapers]

Run away, run them out of oil.

[@DowJonesDave]

@@grimreapers can u make the ships player controlled?

[@eifionwynwilliams-iffy1288]

@@grimreapers Ay, the only option it seems - for now.

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

If push came to shove, the US Navy would proooobably not show up with single ships either.

[@spinmaster4348]

There are only 5 of them in real life though.

[@dexlab7539]

That was AWESOME - Thanks CH and Cap 😮😊

[@joeyxu469]

YJ-21 hypersonic missile (maximum speed > Mach 10 )， SM-6 (maximum speed Mach 3.5), so I doubt how the sm-6 intercepted the YJ-21

[@lyric-992]

The YJ-21 decelerates when it enters low Earth orbit. It doesn't always flies at mach 10

[@DucaTech]

@@lyric-992 It decelerates to Mach 5, but still faster than the SM-6.

[@jeremiahhandcock1795]

YJ-21 has an terminal speed of mach 10 and range for more than 1000 km. It is very hard to intercept them without faster missles

[@Mr.J.xiansheng]

Its just a game for fun😂

[@lenthokchom]

@@Mr.J.xiansheng this is not just a game. This is based on real data. I seriously doubt one can shoot down a yj21 in a speed mach 10.

[@timmyhoward6638]

Idk the AESA radars have a pretty fast refresh rate, plus sm3's alone are specifically designed for ballistic missiles like these let alone sm6's and sm2's

[@XkMeng]

@timmyhoward6638 Since it is impossible to catch up with hypersonic missiles, it can only attack at preset points. This requires the ability to calculate the precise trajectory of the attacking missile in advance. This is how sm6 and sm2 intercept ballistic missiles. You have to ambush on the opponent's trajectory in advance. You only have one time chance. However, parabolic ballistics are a technology of the 1960s, new hypersonic missiles such as DF17 or YJ21. They use maneuverable ballistics or even unpredictable ballistics, such as Qian Xuesen's water-drifting ballistics. This means that there is currently no means, or even theory, to intercept such missiles.

[@shortroundoifusmc1589]

You could try a 055 stopping the Attack on Pearl Harbor, with all planes attacking the 055.

[@jooeywick]

是的 我也想看

[@grmatrix6358]

To destroy a Type 055 I suggest an Astute or Virginia class submarine.

[@rileyfahl9787]

The QUICKSINK JADM introduced last year would also do it

[@totalnerd5674]

No functional subs in DCS yet, the ones we have are to say the least... weird...

[@TraditionalAnglican]

@@totalnerd5674 - But Virginia or Astute Class Attack Submarine would definitely do the job!

[@romain5967]

Ye if there is any way to make functional submarines then idk what I'll do but I will be severely joyful

[@totalnerd5674]

@@TraditionalAnglican I would think submarine/ASW would be very unpredictable, but yes Western Subs are assuredly not to be trifled with.

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

Jolly good show, but that must have been the first time anyone used the phrase "Pure Chinese freedom" 🤣

[@xushenxin]

YJ-21 is terminal velocity mach 10. SM-6 max speed is mach 3.5. Unlikely SM-6 can intercept YJ-21. It takes 5 seconds from you see YJ-21 as a single pixel in the sky to impact.

[@ozsharpener]

China's most latest ASBMs are believed to include daylight/infrared imaging seeker to help the radar seeker, which renders most electronic counter measures useless. As reported their R&D team successfully developed innovative cooling solution to cool down the optical window under super high temperature incurred by the missile's super high flying speed. They also made sure that the seeker's AI algorithm can accurately identify the intended targets, as shown in a test using a Japanese E-767 mockup as target.

[@IetsgoBrandon]

interception is not done by chasing, dude

[@RazorsharpLT]

As much as you want to be a fanboy - the missiles are coming straight at the ship and reflecting radar. Unless they came right under the horizon - all systems are automatic You don't need to be fast if you're facing the missile head on - and calculating trajectory is no problem even at mach 10 for today's computers.

[@ZienoZ]

interception isnt about speed. You just need a warhead that is effective at taking out an asbm, even the older burke computers can easily calculate trajectory of a missile and find multiple intercept points, thats why burkes toss plenty of missiles out for every one they are trying to intercept. Plus capabilities are multiplied in real life with how AEGIS works together with the whole battle group which isnt properly and cant be properly represented in game.

[@RazorsharpLT]

@@alexanderchen6373 Fun fact: hypersonic missiles CAN be intercepted. You know why? Because they're not agile. They can't maneouver, and they can only come from a certain angle. Which MEANS they're predictable, especially if they come from orbit, where ANY radar can see them. You see? It's not hard to give facts instead of saying "Do your own research".

[@shtorm2616]

Hey Cap! Amazing work! Congrats to the mod devs for making an amazing mod! I'd just like to suggest that if the 055 has countermeasures, then the Arleigh Burkes should also get its decoys which include the Mk 36, which is a typical chaff launcher, the Nulka, which is a decoy that hovers in midair while decoying enemy missiles, and the Mk 59, which is a floating decoy designed to mimic the radar return of ships and can float for up to 3 hours. I think the decoys can be simulated by spawning more non-functional ships which can be sinked by 1 hit and cant fire their own weapons.

[@slslbbn4096]

In China, the students are now quoting US President Truman: it is better to use nukes to reduce the costs of an amphibious landing in Taiwan. And let's face it, the US won't risk having a nuclear exchange in China on behalf of some puppet regime in Taiwan

[@darrellseike3185]

Great mod and super video Cap!

[@MrPnhartley]

Yes, we like big explosions! That’s why GR landing videos are so good! 😜

[@thomaszhang3101]

Jawohl! It’s finally here! And just weeks ago 055 Block II was spotted under construction, better version on the way

[@hughmungus2760]

wait where? Link?

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@hughmungus2760 ah great, my comment with the link got deleted by KZbin.

[@yamoto1833]

Link

[@mitchellg4405]

Are the updated American Cruisers and Destroyers enabled with their respective electronic warfare suites in these simulations? Also, is it possible to have the ships conduct evasive maneuvers in response to threat conditions?

[@4IN14094]

It's funny to notice every major naval arms manufacturer now have similar main mast designs in recent defense expo, just a few year back it's all about F-III cloth hangers.

[@vlhc4642]

Something rarely discussed is the difference between exhaust vent of US Mk-41 and Chinese GB5860 VLS. Mk-41 are 8-packed with 8 cells sharing a common exhaust port, while GB5860 uses a CCL design where every cell has its own vent. Aside from supporting both hot and cold launch, a big benefit of CCL is it avoids vent overheating when launching in rapid succession. On Mk-41 there has to be a cooling delay between launching from two cells sharing the same vent, which places a upper limit on firing rate, this limit does not exist with Chinese CCL cells giving it a much faster rate of launch.

[@dabo5078]

Nope mk41 are only single packed. The Chinese VLS which are much larger could actually be quad packed. Also Chinese VLS is also dual cold and hot launched.

[@anirecapped.]

@@dabo5078 ESSM has entered the chat. Besides, he wasn't talking about a single cell but one whole Mk41 VLS module that comes with 8 cells!! Got it??

[@marinuslubbe3993]

That's really really sweet, I've been waiting for the 055 for so long. I just got 2 points to make: 1) I think it would be more accurate to also model the HHQ16 which is a medium range SAM. I don't think a 055 would carry so many long range HHQ9B's, it would be more of a mix between the 2. Also it is said the HHQ16 can be quad packed in the large VLS cells of the 055 like ESSMs. 2. The Y-18 cruises in subsonic speeds in sea skimming mode and only in the terminal phase it uses a booster to accelarate to about 2-3 mach. Here it looked like it kinda followed a ballistic trajectory and was supersonic the whole time which is inaccurate.

[@hamstermomoco]

No, HHQ16 missile will not appear in the VLS of 055 for two reasons, 1. 055 class destroyer is usually the command core of the entire fleet, it will be located in the center of the air defense network, medium range air defense missiles can not provide effective defense for the entire fleet; 2. HHQ16 is a semi-active missile, which requires a specific illuminating radar, and this illuminating radar has only been observed on 054A frigates. Even the 052D, which is smaller than the 055, does not have such illuminating radar. Due to the limited number of illumination channels, the number of targets HHQ16 can attack at the same time is also very limited, which is a very big weakness for the 055's ability to resist saturation attack. And the evidence is that so far we have never seen the 052D or 055 launch HHQ16 in any of the exercises, quite the contrary, we can only see the more expensive HHQ9 missile launch practice. This is very illogical, if you are more heavily equipped with cheap missiles, you will not practice only with expensive missiles.

[@hamstermomoco]

And as for the second point, you got it wrong yourself. The "supersonic ballistic missile" you see is not the YJ18 you think it is, but the latest anti-ship ballistic missile YJ-21, which is supersonic throughout and is in fact hypersonic. The real YJ-18s only started to show up from 18:08

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@hamstermomoco ok valid points. I feel tho that the 055 should have some mid-range quad packed SAM to defend against saturation attacks. Shooting HHQ9B's at everything doesn't seem like the best option.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@hamstermomoco in the video there were both yj18's and yj21's. I'm talking about the yj18's.

[@hamstermomoco]

@@marinuslubbe3993 but in the video YJ18 flying like most ASM cruise missile, and not supersonic all the way.

[@LyuChen94]

If hypersonic missiles can achieve Sanger trajectories or Qian Xuesen trajectories in the game, things will become more interesting

[@boydrobertson2362]

Both of those trajectories would not be different. After completing its last reentry, both of those trajectories are in terminal free fall. The YJ-21s are shot down in the terminal phase. It only makes mid-course interception hard, which is irrelevant for terminal defense. In fact, using boost glide bleeds off far more energy, so terminal interception is easier. Gliding increases time under drag, leading to a much lower final velocity, making it easy to pick off with high-energy ESSM interceptors.

[@LyuChen94]

@@boydrobertson2362 1 Qian Xuesen trajectory will have lower flying altitude than Sanger trajectory. Hypersonic flight below the Carmen line which means very short interception time and small interception window. 2 Sanger trajectory is a Bouncing trajectory or Water drift trajectory. Because of the flight altitude, it is easier to be warned, But because of the trajectory. It is difficult to be intercepted in the middle. and yes. compare to the Qian Xuesen trajectory. theoretically it is more easy to be intercepted in the end. 3 YJ21 use Sanger trajectory. not first push then glide that way. For improve the terminal penetration capability, the warhead have power source that could make the warhead at Mach10 in the end. YJ21 that number 2 means two-stage boostery. 4 To US military. sm6 maybe have the chance to counter YJ21 but the interception success rate is far lower than pac3-er. but not for US Navy. 5 My personal view is that the computer software and interception control rate of existing air defense system not enough to deal with hypersonic missiles. They all need to upgrade 6 Till today. The United States does not have any hypersonic missiles that can be used in actual combat. or enter service . The fastest hypersonic missile project is lrhw from the US Army. The CPS program of the US Navy is waiting for the modification of DDG1000 class destroyers and Virginia class nuclear submarines. As for the ARRW project of the US Airforce and HAWC of the northrop grumman. They have just entered the development stage of practical weapons, need time to wait

[@boydrobertson2362]

@@LyuChen94 The software certainly needs to improve because success rate of interception is far too low to win naval engagement, that is certain. My only issue is that the idea of Hypersonic weapons is the simple issue of drag. To be clear, I don't believe SM-6 is effective against Hypersonic glide-style weapons because hypersonics have such high total kinetic energy during the boost-glide phase. The SM-6 would need a much higher delta-v and likely, more mass. But I don't see how hypersonic glide weapons even equal the interception difficulty of hyperbolic, free fall ballistic missiles. Assuming Hypersonic aren't as difficult as ballistic missiles, ESSM should be able to intercept. As the altitude of the glider decreases, the drag force increases exponentially, and as the missile maneuvers more, it's drag increases. Even if you glide at the most energy conserving trajectory for you're altitude, you're drag is still higher. Hyperbolic ballistic missiles are typically impacting the target at mach 2-3 due to drag. If a Hypersonic weapon is down to Mach 1-2 at terminal phase, I would bet on ESSM. I think the Hypersonic have a range that they can't be intercepted because they have a lower flight time that allows a nice, low and fast terminal phase. If a missile that has a terminal phase rocket motor that accelerates the missile as it gets closer, I could see that being hard to defeat, but a simple free fall HGV style weapon is little better than normal missiles in the terminal phase.

[@LyuChen94]

@@boydrobertson2362 the missile like ICBM SLBM HGV（DF17 arrw avanguard 3m22?） HCM （HAWC 3m22?）or biconical hypersonic missile（DF26 YJ21 LRHW KH47m2 CPS）. Their terminal phases strike mode is same. The difference is that the trajectory is different. Especially hgv and hcm. These two missiles can plan the trajectory within the effective range. They are more like aircraft， They can choose to use a tricky angle. And execute the strike with great speed. Resistance is need to solve at the stage of weapon model research. When the weapon has been actually developed, resistance will no longer be a problem. Both hypesonic missile has One common characteristic is that lift can be used. To some extent. Is also using resistance. It's just that the way of using the lift of the biconical missile is relatively simple， I can tell you that the terminal speed of all type of hypersonic missiles can be maintained above Mach 5. HGV's terminal rocket booster can be added as needed like YJ21. I think maybe DF17 has one. ARRW doesn't have. I'm sure YJ21's terminal speed is Mach10. the PLA has released the information. the middle phase speed is Mach 6. So I don't think the US Navy has the ability to intercept hypersonic missiles now. Not only the software needs to be upgraded. even hardware change a new one and also Interceptor's warhead needs to be change to deairectional blasting warhead with direct force control technology. In the existing equipment of the United States. I think only Pac3-er missile maybe have the chance to intercept the Biconical missile just because the altitude is higher than HCM and HGV. pac3-er is a fast missile with direct force control system, the range of pac3 is not enough. Basically, most interceptors in the United States are not fast. In general, this is an era when swords are stronger than shields. the US haven't this sword yet. I forgot told you the DF17 is very cheap. like tomahawk . about the ESSM. I do believe this is a advanced missile. But Americans don't use it to intercept hypersonic missiles

[@kith00000]

Great work as always.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Watching a billion dollars of missiles go up in DCS smoke, priceless.

[@agggrgrg2419]

I feel that the countermeasure system is very overpowered considering it is supposed to represent chaff. Missiles can resist chaff and with this countermeasure it seems to be a 100% p/k. Also would like to note that the antiship cruise missiles are subsonic in the terminal phase.

[@jo7hs2]

I have to agree, it seems excessively successful.

[@Mobius118]

Was coming here to comment the same thing, you beat me to it so you get my like!

[@sequwlm9904]

I believe the yj18 has a subsonic cruise phase and a supersonic boost terminal attack phase

[@jaffacalling53]

You got that backwards, those missiles are subsonic in cruise and supersonic in terminal.

[@grahamherbst2689]

Depends - the Type 055 is a very modern destroyer and there's not a ton of Open Source information about exactly what kind of countermeasures it uses. It very well could utilize Active Decoys similar to what the US/Australia/Canada use in NULKA or the UK uses in the Sea Gnat's Siren round. Those are much more effective against modern missiles than simple passive chaff.

[@guzilayerken5013]

055's drogue system is currently the world's largest in service, with a diameter of 850mm and a depth of 9 meters. HHQ9B is used as a long-range air defense missile, but in actual use it is impossible to install all long-range missiles, carrying HHQ16 a launch hole can carry 4, only 32 launch holes can carry 128.

[@hughmungus2760]

HHQ16s can't be quadpacked as far as anyone knows but the FM3000N can. though we've only seen them at arms shows and not deployed on any ships

[@brantxue5217]

very impressive work!

[@hughmungus2760]

1 major error and 2 minor changes that should be made, The yj18 is a 2 stage missile with a subsonic cruise mode and a mach 2.5 terminal mode, It flies subsonic at sea skimming level until it gets within about 20 or so km before the tip of it breaks off and goes supersonic. the type 055 can carry short range VLS missiles as well like the FM3000n with around 30km of range and can be quadpacked. the countermeasures are definately overpowered, they're basically an additional 4 shortrange RIM launchers. Thats stupidly unrealistic in effectiveness.

[@josephiousbrosif]

I'm no military expert but that simulated countermeasure seems a bit cheaty. From what I've seen, at least in DCS, chaff is only effective like 5%-10% of the time. Idk how accurate that is to real life but it seemed WAY too overpowered here. Other than that I really enjoyed this and am looking forward to the future war games with this!

[@bussolini6307]

Very cool, are we going to see the type 052D soon?

[@thomaszhang3101]

Might as well model the Type 052 DL at this point. I don’t see them ever getting to all the variants before an even newer variant launch.

[@armoredpriapism]

Is there any way you could program a firing logic for defensive missiles that shoots one sm3, then if that misses 1 sm6, then if that misses, 2 essm?

[@Chickenworm9394]

Pretty impressive for the first 055 to singlehandedly fend off all the harpoons

[@mshahmirraza]

Hey Cap, are you working on Type 52D destroyers since they are also part of the Chinese Carrier Group?

[@ssiikk1cc]

Gotta start modeling laser tech on these ships

[@channingdeadnight]

Wow I didn't realize how much destructive capacity those ships carried.

[@z3iro383]

This is like when the first ironclads fought each other in the US Civil War, where they just kept shooting at each other until they both ran out of ammunition and neither was destroyed

[@Debbiebabe69]

same in most engagements of the second half of the 1800s - look at the many battles between the Russian and Japanese (who used mostly British ships) navies.....

[@edwardmartin9802]

It's a very interesting metaphor. But YJ21 was not so easy to be intercept. This simulation was not accurately enought.

[@thomaszhang3101]

8:34 if they can add cold launch effect for the HHQ-9B in the future, that’d be cool.

[@ONosbor]

Not sure I understand how the chaff launchers have been translated into a workable system in DCS. It seem to work like a little missile with a high PK, I think it hit every harpoon it engaged. This might need to be nerfed, I don't think chaff is this efficient.

[@Tounguepunchfartbox]

Nah that was honestly just ridiculous lol.

[@voidtempering8700]

The chaff is the side rocket launchers, not the rear missile launcher.

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@voidtempering8700 the chaff launcher is what they are talking about. The chaff launcher basically launched a slug which hit and destroyed a harpoon, which is inaccurate.

[@clangerbasher]

I imagine IRL T055 will have a good EW fit out too.

[@thomaszhang3101]

One of the best. I forgot the video title but one of them built a 3D model and went over what each component does in detail. 055 had so much space dedicated to anti stealth radar and EW systems I didn’t believe it at first (I thought the amount of RF interference will be a nightmare).

[@clangerbasher]

@@thomaszhang3101 The RN has been obsessed with EW for decades. To the extent that the see anything kinetic as second string. They seem to forget their job is too hurt the enemy. I was thinking about interference watching the video oddly. All those well spaced ariels bending in the wind. Another advantage of a big hull. Lots of space to place stuff.

[@danielm81]

US Navy also has a good and recently upgraded EW system. Also Tico and AB have three types of decoy systems: old SRBOC but also advanced systems like Nulka and also the newest inflatable towed system - IDS300. In DCS you don't have any of that...

[@clangerbasher]

@@danielm81 Yes. I suppose EW would be a little difficult to model. It is as much art as science.

[@danielm81]

@@clangerbasher yes I agree. It would be very very difficult. On the other hand chaff launchers like SRBOC, flying decoys like Nulca or towed decoys like IDS300 shouldn't be too hard to model

[@thiagopiwowarczyk2220]

With defense having such an advantage it is going to be the Battle of Lissa all over again (but closer fire, no ramming).

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

Your assuming neither side have missiles designed specifically to avoid such defenses like what the Americans have in their stealth cruise missiles that radar can't even detect or see. Such a fight will never be just a few navy ships fighting one on one. There will be allot of other forces involved.

[@-qsprey7881]

I think you guys wrongly loaded the data of yj12 to jy18, yj12 is a supersonic missile with a range of 380km, and yj18 accelerates to supersonic speed only at the end, and the rest is in subsonic flight in exchange for greater range, even the conservative data yj18 It also has a range of more than 500km.

[@surefresh8412]

nice seeing modern ships in the game

[@DK-ig8zi]

Will u do the type 52 d to go along side the type 55 ?

[@chimerancreator9797]

Maybe a saturation attack, in an attempt to overwelm the overall fire rate of the ship with a giant swarm of missiles

[@aison2735]

055 is seriously underestimated, and YJ-21 can't be intercepted so easily, especially using SM-6.

[@edwardmartin9802]

Don't disturb their dreams.

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

The U.S. has already tested the SM-6 against Hypersonics. It takes them out just fine. Keep thinking that the Chinese Navy won't get decimated against a Naval power with 12 Supercarriers when they only have 2 though. I hope they try to take Taiwan soon so that America can remind them of their place.

[@MsSteve1988]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 against hypersonic weapon from whom? I thought US doesnt have hypersonic weapon yet. Could you provide a reference?

[@user-oi3zi8rr9x]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 hahahhhaha funny US has no hypersonic weapon yet, how to test? borrow from China?

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 What was the SM-6 tested against? Neither the Americans nor any of their "allies" have hypersonic weapons. And on a more personal note, with the arrogance you display in your comment, the only one that needs to be put in their place is you.

[@Utubesuperstar]

The statement Chinese freedom is absolutely hilarious

[@hughmungus2760]

maybe 'chinese industrial might' is better

[@seanpruitt6801]

It’s a cool thought. Hopefully one day that regime will topple.

[@lagrangewei]

@@seanpruitt6801 it stupid that people think China is being oppressed, China is not the USSR. in China foreigner can actually walk after midnight and not fear being mugged. yet people are brainwashed into hating Chinese in the West. I have never seen Chinese threaten the freedom on other country, I have only see Western country bombing and destroying the freedom of others. Chinese freedom is real freedom, Western freedom is propaganda. there is a reason why there is war in Europe and none in Asia right now. stop trying to topple peace with your wars. stop trying to get innocent people killed just to push your political view on other people.

[@martinsnow4611]

@@seanpruitt6801 You sure? That'd be more likely to happen after a major nuclear exchange. Some of them detonating right over your head...

[@joosiekawk]

@@seanpruitt6801 he was being sarcastic, basically mocking "american freedom"

[@alexandrebelinge8996]

Very cool ! :)

[@TraditionalAnglican]

I suggest firing from both port and starboard sides simultaneously. CWIS can only fire one direction at a time.

[@zombiesingularity]

So this tells me that an attacker should fire hundreds of decoy missiles to waste the enemies defensive ammo, followed by the real ammo?

[@xxxm981]

Yep, as with all modern sea systems, same with a CVN group.

[@mattseller148]

This was the only way the soviets though they could effictivly sink US carriers in the late cold war, with 80+ TU-22Ms firing hundereds of missiles while TU-95s filled the air with decoys.

[@totalnerd5674]

Oh boy! wonder when the Type 52D will come out, that will really complete the Chinese fleet. Also hoping that ED expands the controllability of the ships, to allow better control of things like land attack missiles and the like.

[@hughmungus2760]

Odds are by the time they make the 052D for DCS, the PLAN will launch the Type 054B which is supposed to be a totally new design

[@qiyuxuan9437]

052D is prettt much a smaller 055, same VLS using same missiles, same radar, just carry less missiles.

[@totalnerd5674]

@@qiyuxuan9437 Yep. That ship also makes up the backbone of China's modern surface navy

[@qiyuxuan9437]

@@totalnerd5674 Yeah, they can definally tweak this 055 codes a little bit and it will work well on 052D, but someone need to make a 3d model first😂

[@totalnerd5674]

@@qiyuxuan9437 Sure thing. Time will tell...

[@morgenliao4987]

up的视频做得好细致啊！👍

[@andrewjames9459]

Love your videos. I'm hoping that in the name of the scientific process, other ships need a countermeasure as well, or there shouldn't be any. Also, having missiles as a countermeasure seems a little silly because ASM can avoid chaff, but not missiles, as the missiles are actively seeking out the ASM, and chaff does not seek out ASM.

[@doubleaplays8450]

The Tico's And Burke's should be able to fire LRASM out of the VLS cells. This was tested back in 2014

[@alfredchurchill2328]

Video ends and harpoon hasn’t reached the target yet 😂

[@stuartholden2772]

When Cap gets a birthday present 😄

[@SonB288]

Minor note - does the YJ-18 fold its wings back when it goes into supersonic terminal mode? That straight wing doesn't seem very supersonic at all.

[@hughmungus2760]

its front section detaches when it goes supersonic

[@kylexu227]

the wins detach in the terminal phase IRL they are there to increase range I think

[@thomaszhang3101]

It’s an outer shell of gas breathing engine plus a wing wrapped around a warhead with a rocket. When missile is launched, booster accelerates missile; then it detaches, wings unfold and air intake sticks out, beginning its subsonic cruise at sea level; when almost within terminal dash range, outer shell of air breathing engine and wings drop away, allowing the warhead and slick rocket body to fly forward and accelerate up to Mach 2.5-3 (acceleration varies randomly and abruptly throughout the dash to make interception harder).

[@emptyforrest]

i think that the only thing that can reliably sink ships at this point is stealth subs like the gotland, very hard to defend against and even harder to counter.

[@benmodel5745]

They don't have the range to operate in the South Pacific, you really need nuclear, hence the AUKUS deal

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

Or stealth cruise missiles and other stealth missiles drops by stealth aircraft. There are many different ways to take out ships like these.

[@mikeyangyang8816]

The reason that hypersonic missiles are scary is because they can be maneuvered. If the mod can do that, I doubt that all of those countermeasures are even able to shoot down one yj21

[@lawrenceng7971]

Exactly... The mod uses ballistic trajectory which is so much easier to shoot down

[@TeoDP7]

China touts the DF-17 and other of it’s missiles as “highly maneuverable” and being “unable to shoot down.” The missile functions quite similarly to a ballistic missile, where it is boosted into the atmosphere, and then comes down on a target, albeit more maneuverable. However, there are some issues with this. When coming down from atmosphere, it must slow down to avoid burning up. Suddenly, the super-fast projectile is traveling much slower, and is much easier to intercept. Another issue brought up is launch. Since the missile goes so fast, it requires a huge engine. What do big engines produce? A LOT of heat. Any launches would quickly be detected by satellites and sensors. In addition, the claim of “plasma stealth” is complete propaganda rubbish. Modern radar easily will see the missile. Plasma sheathing is primarily reflective, meaning that it will actually BLOCK communications and control to the missile, leaving it unguided. We saw the same thing happen when the space shuttle returned to earth and experienced a communication blackout. If Infrared sensors were used on front of the missile, they would simply melt due to the high temperatures from the speed. No signal or communication, no control for the missile. Not so maneuverable anymore. While at higher altitudes the missile can be cooled due to the lower temperatures and thinner atmosphere, when the missile has to “go in” to actually hit the carrier or boat, it won't be able to maneuver due to extreme temperatures. Lastly, I’d like to discuss defensive measures against such missiles. The US Navy Arleigh Burke Destroyers as well as Ticonderoga Cruisers are built around aegis fleet defense. These boats utilize the AN/SPY-1 Radar for guiding missiles for intercepting missiles and ballistic missiles. The Aegis’s SPY-1D(v) radar “can detect golf ball-sized targets at ranges in excess of 165 km.” This statement was made in context with SPY-1D(v)’s ability to detect mortar rounds & artillery shells. Golf ball = 0.0025 m^2. For a direct comparison if you scale SPY-1D’s range to 0.4 m^2 target, then it corresponds to 587 km - that’s 2.3 times the range of S-400 (91N6E). Simply said, the SPY-1 will be detecting the DF-17 or other hypersonic missile from several hundred if not thousand kilometers away. In a 2014 test, USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) with Aegis Baseline 9 engaged an exo-atmospheric ballistic missile with SM-3 Block IB while engaging 2 low-altitude cruise missiles near-simultaneously. Just one of many times when Aegis demonstrated the extent of diverse targets it can handle simultaneously. The SM-6 Dual I has a range between 370-460 km and is capable of engaging almost any endo-atmospheric target from sea-skimming cruise missiles, tactical aircraft to maneuverable ballistic missiles in their terminal stage. Another advantage of Aegis is the Cooperative Engagement capability (NIFC-CA). SM-6’s two-way datalink allows E-2D or F-35 to provide Over the Horizon targeting capability. The SM-6 have engaged OTH cruise missiles solely relying on targeting data from E-2D and F-35. It’s one thing to share data between airborne and ground radars but a whole lot different to have airborne platforms taking over Targeting. Simply put, all the Chinese have is a slightly more agile and controllable ballistic missile. It is nothing new. The defenses that the missile is going up against, as well as all the factors against the missile really prevent it from being the supposed “game changer” that it is. These missiles will not force the US to leave the South China sea. If anything, we are seeing a continued buildup of American forces. If the PLAN does try something foolish, it is assured that the U.S. response will be quite forceful. B-52's, B-2's, B-1's, and whole carrier wings will roll over the missiles China lobs at our carriers. Beware the carrier group…

[@baojhoang7242]

@@TeoDP7 I believe the US is underselling their hardware while China is overselling theirs. Beside what you already stated, the US Navy/military is still working on many ways to counter China/Russia such as drones, remote ships, and laser. In short, China has only one chance to get it right while the US has the capacity to lose 1-2 carriers and still effective.

[@TeoDP7]

@@baojhoang7242 Ik

[@Alex-zq9zm]

@@TeoDP7 To make matters even bleaker for the Chinese most of the flight III destroyers are going to be upgraded to AN/SPY-6, and all new ships have are going to have it as well

[@trevorday7923]

Since there's a proliferation of hypersonic missiles launched from ships which essentially go into space and come back down, is there such a thing as ship-launched anti-satellite missiles?

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

LOL i love the Harpoons still making their way to the target long after the battle essentailly ended. Reminds me of a bunch of overly enthusiastic grandpas.

[@ericliume]

I really don't think any current defense system can intercept YJ-21 and YJ-17.

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

I think the SM-6 could possibly intercept maybe a couple of them. But not a full salvo, no way.

[@kingdedede1066]

I think sm-3 would probably do ok

[@sweatybotfn9982]

the mod is not done accurately, the missile is supposed to go to space and drop straight down. The SM-3 and SM-6 can physically not track a missile that appears to not be moving on the radar.(2d wise)

[@kingdedede1066]

@@sweatybotfn9982 bro what

[@sweatybotfn9982]

@@kingdedede1066 the essm might though, it is more maneuverable in launch

[@bradenderle8677]

are these comparable to the Type 055A Refit?

[@totalnerd5674]

I think these are

[@hughmungus2760]

no concrete info exists for a Type 055A yet.

[@fanman71]

Aren't the Harpoons getting replaced by the NSM (Naval Strike Missiles) going forward ?

[@hughmungus2760]

Was it newly added in or did DCS always model blast shockwaves visually?

[@bf799]

Trust me, never let the YJ-21 launch succeed

[@Mr.J.xiansheng]

Nope, in game we can see the powerful sm6😂

[@jeetsaha9122]

I've a minor request, get in a US v China fight in a bigger scale. I mean simulations like real war, A.Cs, Destroyers, frigates, Awacs, Subs etc. It would be mesmerizing, cap

[@TopFloorSnipa]

Tomahawk block 5 is in use and the LRASM is also in use as well

[@greggwilliamson]

I'm not a game player but I love to watch your sims!! It blows me away how real stuff looks. Realize that I have BC on my Birth Certificate. (before computers)

[@autokrator_]

Chinese naval planners estimate it would take between 8-13 ASMs to break through an Aegis combatant’s defenses with a probability of over 80%. This simulation fails to account for the tactics likely to be used by either side; the current Chinese doctrine is to launch subsonic missiles followed by a salvo of hypersonic missiles that will overtake their subsonic counterparts at just the right time to arrive at the target simultaneously and from multiple axes. The disadvantage in terms of missile technology rests with the USN for now.

[@hsk2k8]

SM6 speed 3.5 Mach , YJ 21 speed 10 Mach. How can sm6 intercept YJ 21?!

[@yecloud]

Game balance

[@haggisandchips1]

If they can't penetrate each other then how do they mate?

[@LondonSteveLee]

You might be able to detect the hypersonic missiles launch (from space) - but when they are at their fastest speed the plasma shield formed on the nose of the missile from the sheer speed of them entering the atmosphere will absorb radio waves, therefore the ships under attack will not be able to track them by RADAR, ships with a sideview of the action might have a chance but I don't know if SM-6s can be tracked by another asset and when they get below 20,000 feetish the secondary track will be lost anyway due to the curvature of the earth. In essence there is no chance - none - of intercepting these missiles with other missiles. On the other hand this electromagnetic disturbance phenomenon also makes it immensely difficult to aim hypersonic ballistic missiles accurately.

[@heatblast876]

Hey Cap can you put Chinese DF 17 Glider which is hypersonic missile.

[@grimreapers]

Working on it :)

[@hughmungus2760]

@@grimreapers also petition for the GJ11 steath attack drone.

[@mattseller148]

The chaff seems way overpowered with the way it was modeled, in order to make it fair US ships would also need it or it's accuracy needs to be hugely decreased.

[@thalo215]

Quite interesting. I'd like to see a test of the 055 vs the Visby's.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

Can your programmers go back in time too? Like make an old school Tyco with the rail launched SM-2s?

[@theusernamejman]

"11 barrels of pure Chinese freedom" lol

[@Anarchy_420]

I hope you guys are working on The Zumwalt Class Destroyer being fitted with CPS Hypersonic Missiles!

[@Anarchy_420]

Plus The DDG(X)

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

@@Anarchy_420 we're probably a decade away from seeing the new DDG(X)

[@grimreapers]

Next we need to get the UK Type 45 working properly with NSM.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers Yes! Plus NSM on Littoral Combat Ship!

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers Yo Cap! Talking about The NSM, please check this out-- kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXupgWquj8mYjrM It'd be brilliant if you guys could create a Mod!!😅🙏

[@Temstar04]

This sim is actually pretty good in pointing out that if a 055 only has HHQ-9B and HHQ-10 + 1130 for air defense then against a big missile wave it can easily run out of missile. It's suspected in real life instead of holding that many HHQ-9B (a very expensive missile due to its size and capability) some of the VLS might be loaded with a medium range SAM like HHQ-16. Rumor says there's a new medium range sam being developed for the UVLS that allows quad packing. So in real life instead of 70 something HHQ-9B you give up some of those to load up on lots of quad pack missiles.

[@sweatybotfn9982]

There are 8 055s now, and the 9th just entered sea testing.

[@aluminumfalcon552]

Video idea: can the CIWS on the type 055 stop a broadside from an Iowa class’ 16 inch guns?

[@petec1050]

Counter measure simulation skews it as they seemed to have a 100% kill ratio on the incoming harpoons - in real life I don’t see chaff being as effective.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

That "big green or red button" is putting the Aegis system into full automatic. The computer will target, track and fire at every threat until empty. Read "Red Storm Rising" 'Night of the Vampires' by Tom Clancy for a sort of accurate version of how this works.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Type 055 vs kirov Type 055 vs iowa 1980s refit Would love to see both those battles play out

[@weasle2904]

Those countermeasures seemed OP

[@MrEdward1120]

If missiles won't work against the type 055, then it's time to break out the submarines and have them sneak in and hit them with torpedos.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

And use LRASM’s (airborne and sea launched) - They’re in the inventory and would be a lot more effective than what was used here. We could also use F-22’s , F-35’s, B-1’s and B-2’s to launch them from closer in (especially the F-22’s, F-35’s and B-2’s). F-21’s would be available in 2025 when this battle is staged and could launch closer than the b-2’s (less time for the Chinese to react.

[@team3am149]

@@TraditionalAnglican And the Chinese would respond with J-20s, H-20s, and J-35s.

[@dnhs-fc2bc]

How can i use the weapons by myself in the battle ships?

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

how do you control the ship like that?

[@pkwiththepros]

is the Type 1130 CIWS really the best??

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Probably is, but it would run through its ammo really fast!

[@thomaszhang3101]

On paper, yes

[@The136th]

It depend, best interception rate yes, it got 11 barrel, but it will run out of ammo fast, so not best against saturation attack.

[@adassdawdad]

@@TraditionalAnglican What if we design a bigger clip for it

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@adassdawdadhard to imagine they didn’t. If you look at the 1130 the thing is massive compared to other CIWS, and it uses dual feeding to get round from two ammo boxes. I bet it holds enough for over 30s of firing, prob even up to 1 min?

[@francescoboselli6033]

Is impress and quite scary how China in 15/20 years want from a coast water navy with frigates based on soviets design, to a blue water navy that at this point only lacks a supercarriers and maybe is left behind in submarines. Even if they effectiveness and crew training may not be on par with the westerns navies, they sure have to number to compensate in quality lacking...

[@team3am149]

They’ve got proper aircraft carriers, unless you mean nuclear-powered supercarriers.

[@airplanenut89]

@@team3am149 They have the Kuznetsov's sister ship: Laoning (Ex-Varyag), the domestically produced copy: Shandong, and their new Type-003 still being worked on. Laoning I'm willing to bet will probably run into issues from being a Kuznetsov. Shandong, while I'm willing to bet has sorted out many issues of the Kuznetsov design, will still be limited by the ski-jump launch. I would hardly call these two "proper carriers" compared to the USNs fleet. The Type-003 is still being fitted out, and the Type-004 (still probably having its design finalized) are better suited as proper carriers.

[@lagrangewei]

@@airplanenut89 alot of Kuznetsov problem come from bad maintenance than inherit problem of the class. the Liaoning show none of the problem. the sortie rate of Liaoning is higher than Ford class atm... but that really because Ford is complete shit right now. they will probably need 2 more years to get Ford on par with Nimitz class. alot of the carrier capabilities are determine by factors other than the ship design itself.

[@francescoboselli6033]

@@team3am149 yeah you are right, I modified my comment

[@johnnyboy8531]

The Type 52d destroyer was designed in the 1990s, but there was no money to build it

[@LastReign]

I swarm of decoys might get the missiles in a little closer, but it would take a lot

[@Lone_GamerUK]

How do you get all the new ships and planes in the game for the AI battles?