New Construction HVAC install inspection/diagnosis Fail !!

[@dgapp76]

Been in the business for 25+ years and a licensed HVAC contractor for 5 years. I noticed you didn't connect your temp clamps. Without seeing what your SH/SC is, how can you tell where the system is charge-wise? I do agree, even without the clamps that the head pressure is abnormally high. I'm not knocking you, I agree that the txv may be stuck (fairly common with newer American Standard/Trane systems). I see systems overcharged all the time with txv issues. Techs trying to get the suction pressure/ temp down by adding refrigerant. I agree that the ductwork was poorly designed and installed. Not a fan of upflow attic applications like this. Overall, nice job. Keep em cool brother!

[@chrisfreeman5554]

It’s called the builder wants the cheapest contractor to install to make the most profit on a home. After 1 year warranties are all done .

[@jackedup8790]

Sounds like Michigan

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Exactly. I put in a really cheap bid on some new construction homes. A company outbid me by over $1000. They installed ductwork, electric, permits the whole complete 2.5 ton Heatpump system for $4000.00. I'm sure it looks worse than this.

[@robertbell525]

I never fault someone for saying Freon when referring to refrigerant. I consider it a generic term like Kleenex or Xerox. We all know what types of refrigerant goes in what system. And freon is easy to say.

[@frankortiz7574]

Saves time saliva.

[@JosephArata]

If we wanted to get technical, people should be calling R-410a Pureon, but that name never caught on, even though it's the marketing name of the refrigerant.

[@SMOBY44]

I have to bit back a chuckle when I hear the tern "Frezone"

[@cranium33333]

The only thing I get from people that say Freon is knowing who to stay away from.

[@rossmandigo9984]

so just say refrigerant....

[@hg2.]

Had to listen to this one a couple times to catch all the details; complicated for newbies.

[@mikegirard4388]

Ummm... indoor TXV is bypassed in heating mode since it’s vapor going to the coil. TXV meters in liquid and maintains superheat. But i agree, indoor TXV looks like its bad or blocked.

[@JasperJanssen]

That was his point. It worked in heating mode but not cooling, therefor it is probably the indoor txv

[@davidhazas7162]

Or it could be the liquid line filter dryer

[@knutini]

I’m so glad I have a system with solid aluminum duct work and not garbage bag-looking crap. Everything just looks taped together haphazardly.

[@curtb1560]

Code man makes us strap air handler to rafters and condenser to ground incase of earthquake here in south Carolina? But they don’t strap down propane tank? Can’t understand their way of thinking.

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

They do the same duct work in CA on track homes minus the duct board. Same spaghetti 😂😂

[@sknight0391]

Spaghetti with meatballs 🤙

[@throttlebottle5906]

oodles and oodles of noodles :))

[@Bryan-Hensley]

I need to take a picture of my aunt's $500,000 home in Atlanta Georgia. There is a whole 12x10 room in the basement that is so full of this "spaghetti" you have to crawl in the room. How does that pass inspection?

[@frankortiz7574]

Yeap

[@JDB5824RG]

Wow some very bad duct design lol .. most not all residential guys have no idea of the importance keeping the refrigerant system clean using nitrogen etc. never mind how to charge a system.. Good video 👍🏻

[@kimber841]

I have brand new 2 story home with 1 condensing unit. Can not wait to start having issues! Haha

[@ras9730]

If it's got a zone system with a static pressure bypass it should work properly as long as a proper load calculation was done

[@kennethcarpenter998]

I'm in hvac school and find ur videos very helpful thanks.

[@AZBADBOYz]

Amazing how HVAC contractors that do new builds just hack away on one of the homes most expensive items but the general pays no attention because most no next to nothing about HVAC. Very sad for the new owners!

[@hvacmike1175]

AZBADBOYz every track home is built by the lowest bidder. This means it’s all piece work. Every person gets paid for what they do not how well they do it. Same money if they work 2 hours or ten = shoddy work most of the time. Management dictates the quality of the job. Expectations run downhill. Fast good cheap. Fast and cheap won’t be good Fast and good won’t be cheap Good and cheap won’t be fast Lowest bidder will always be fast and cheap and never good

[@leonelramirez3231]

G.C. dont pay attention because all they care about is the cheapest price. They dont care about quality work. They want free work.

[@hvacmike1175]

It comes back to who passed the inspection. And what local codes are

[@soleadoc8245]

That garbage pisses me off. You take pride in your trade then you get shit like that.

[@hvacmike1175]

kingpins9 never said they could be held liable. What I said is they condone it by signing off. they are saying that the work is acceptable. Get 3 or 4 red tags on every rough in with fees on every failed inspection (excluding fee for minor items) and the GC and the Hvac contractor would be having a conversation. And quality would improve. Most builder only care about selling the house. That means a good looking ( not necessarily the same as well built)kitchen and master bathroom. The wife is the deciding factor in all home sales where a wife is involved the builder knows this and uses it to his/her advantage.

[@mdovideo1414]

I would cap pinch off one of the copper pipes and braze an access port on the other and then fill the line set up with nitrogen to until I was ready to install the outside unit

[@johnbales9398]

that's the way it should be done

[@erikcable1755]

Never did duct's that way in California...always used Twye's and box dampers at each register..back in the R22 days...PS..new construction 900 per ton Installed..10 seer

[@DEW409]

What a mess. What happens to real ductwork and real workmanship? That looks like a bunch of high school kids did that without any supervision.

[@JasperJanssen]

They’re builders, not HVAC guys.

[@OleRazzleDazzler]

Lol exactly,

[@larrypetersen7421]

i guess the granite counter tops are more important than something that actually serves a a purpose

[@morgan3082]

If the trimout guys don't start the unit in heat like oem specifies then the indoor txv gets stuck, The indoor txv comes shipped dry and in order to lubricate it you have to run the hp in heat. This is a known issue with 16-17 Trane and American Standard units.

[@acman0926]

Ive changed many txvs and started many systems. NEVER have i read this in any instructions.

[@jcbecker2800]

@@acman0926 me either. I must be doing it all wrong.

[@ryanedmonds347]

Lmao trane engineers suggest this on every startup and plus the heat is always first

[@ryanedmonds347]

@Ryan Carlen heat pumps have txvs the heat pumps just reverse the compressor to pump heat in instead of out

[@Bryan-Hensley]

@@ryanedmonds347 reverse the compressor??? That's hilarious. Have you ever heard of a reversing valve?

[@nicholassimpson8649]

Hacks doing duct work. Thats why i quit my last company owner was a hack

[@rogerkennedy8849]

Always weld my lines up but have seen the lines open on those type of jobs makes me shake my head

[@hvacemsca4696]

The ducting looks older then the house lol

[@jumpinjojo]

Hvac EMS Ca *than

[@maximusaircompanycuppbaile327]

Just watch this one mr cook wow I couldn't sleep very well and I had nothing to do with it nobody cares no more glad I do and we know you do that's why your reputation is what it is people are in good hands when they see your van pull up

[@mikegirard4388]

But hey, gorgeous countertops I bet. That unit shouldn’t be in the attic to begin with. Find a spot in the center of the home, build soffits and run metal truck inside the conditioned space. I bet a 2 or 2.5 Tons is plenty with a good duct design and proper attic insulation. The failed TXV is probably from not using nitrogen when brazing... bet the compressor fails within 7 years from moisture in oil.

[@brandonreed70]

That system and duct is in the conditioned space. The spray foam is on the roof underside, not the top of the ceiling.

[@ehsnils]

Just seeing the totally confusing duct work and the wiring in the beginning makes me just want to rip everything out and take it from the beginning.

[@nolenpeterson5641]

Dude a 1/2 ton bigger evap improves latent heat removal in the cooling mode and lowers head pressure in the heating mode, more efficient, brah and better. Not just “ok”.

[@TheWoodman064]

It's sad being here in California and seeing that you folks on S.C. suffer the same 'garbage' installs in new homes! I have seen so many messes out here that I have wished many times nowhere else would have to endure! B.l.t.n64!

[@throttlebottle5906]

most likely, they had customer turn it on, listened to the sound, blasted some gas, claimed "blah" was wrong and parted like leaves in a hurricane :)) also wouldn't surprise me if some didn't just add dye right from initial charge/startup, vs. caring to do good work...

[@TedCookHVAC]

They actually told them nothing was wrong.

[@throttlebottle5906]

it figures!

[@carlospereyra2874]

Tanks Ford take It time to do the videos im lerarning with you........... greeting from baltimore md

[@Douglas_Stevens]

Ted it makes me wonder if they BBQ the expansion valve sensing bulb when they welded the coil in

[@ras9730]

Exactly what I was thinking I see it all the time that's why rheem and some of the other manufacturers sell the coil with the bulb not mounted

[@clintgray1623]

BBQ and trash in line set and the installer doesn’t know what nitrogen is

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

At 4:46, you can see the side of the house is dirty, and the bark mulch looks washed away. I'll bet there's a clogged gutter, missing downspout, or no gutter at all directly above the machines. Rain off the roof hits the ground right there and splashes dirt everywhere, including up inside the machines.

[@OleRazzleDazzler]

You can just pull RV coil wire and leave it in cooling to do the same effect, no jumper no undoing wire nuts and having to go to truck to get strippers and more nuts cause they’re over twisted

[@jeffpeterson1331]

1:47 in and I can tell you there isn't enough airflow just looking at the returns.

[@chetmyers7041]

8:42 Why not install the liquid line filter INSIDE near the air handler?

[@steelem422]

That metal band is a earthquake strap we have to have them were I live too

[@digitopdeals1398]

Isn't that going to make the unit a lot noisier.

[@SOU6900]

My little eye spots a classic Chevy square body. On a more serious note though how do you clear the sight glass on a set of gauges after it has a run in with all that dye?

[@madisonhvacr1562]

Leach line duct work that needs pumped out alot lol

[@Akvan79]

I never trust contractors that do half fast jobs. In the end you end up Fixing their mistakes and much much more. Sometimes it’s just better to put in a new unit and I deal with the problems.

[@jeffreywhitlatch1409]

Isn't it amazing that someone would leave those lines open like that. They don't care, they just want to go home.

[@dwjonz]

Jeffrey Whitlatch And it only takes a minute to at least tape the ends good.

[@hg2.]

@@dwjonz Yes, that's all it would take, right?

[@mikegirard4388]

TXV could also have gotten a glob of silver solder in it or gotten overheated when brazed. Crazy not to put electrical tape or pinch shut on a line set during construction. Even so, you can blow them out with nitrogen.

[@soleadoc8245]

I’ll go to a customers house and diagnose a comfort issue due to ductwork similar to what’s in this video. After a long discussion about the problem and future mechanical problems associated with the airflow issues; most homeowners don’t care, even if they can afford to correct the problem. All you can do is move on and shake your head. On the flip side, it’s nice to get a customer who respects your professionalism and knowledge, then moves forward with you recommendations and experiences the results. It’s gratifying to correct a major issue with your knowledge.

[@nickbrandow7131]

Trying to find another job in HVAC in ft Lauderdale I have my epa and only a couple months on installs but it’s hard not having a valid license. It’s not suspended for driving but decade old court fees

[@keithwheeler387]

Mobile Home Flex in a attic? What type of building codes do your state have.

[@brendonhunt668]

i seen that also looks horrible also hate seeing mastic on new construction

[@jerrylockhart3069]

That’s not mobile home flex it’s quiet flex black is just as good as the silver stuff. They sell it in r-6 They call it vinyl flex. I know the mobile home flex you’re talking about. it’s actually expensive especially when is large.

[@Alanski340]

brendon hunt that’s code here

[@georgecurtis6463]

Like calif, earthquake proofing. But i doubt that strap should have passed inspection.

[@gregsutherland1500]

Hard to tell what furnace is top . Which one it bottom here's an idea turn on keep one off see where the air is blowing. It's called a thermostat

[@TedCookHVAC]

LoL

[@cdarrell1985]

Is it a local thing to have the unit upright in the attic with no supply trunk and a mess of flex? Around here it would be horizontal on a platform, drain pan, float switch, with 8' of metal supply trunk that is lined with individual flex runs

[@hg2.]

Where are you located?

[@serlalonde8420]

@@hg2. you can set it up anyway you like as long as you have adequate space for service access.

[@xslabcabxhearsex]

I live in southern Virginia and the inspectors here would have failed this job.i have been doing hvac sheet metal mechanic for thirty years.i run all sheet metal duct and would be embarrassed to do work as bad as this. I’ve noticed in most of your videos it’s wagon wheel flex jobs.is there no good sheet metal workers in your area?

[@nappybiscuit]

Sheet metal is great up north but down in the south sheet metal in the attic conducts heat unlike fiberglass duct board.

[@dc9039]

Ted, why would you have a return and supply vent in the attic? Good job as always.

[@throttlebottle5906]

it's a spray-foam sealed attic, so considered part of the conditioned space and it needs ventilation or there will be condensation, humidity and mold issues!

[@dc9039]

throttle bottle, now I get it. Thanks for the info.

[@BeezyKing99]

throttle bottle golly dude, I have seen you across multiple HVAC channels.. this has to be a record :p thumbs up from me, merry Christmas.

[@throttlebottle5906]

I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere lol. not really, but I ricochet around a bunch to various things and interesting channels

[@justinlombard8676]

Flex kings. Wtf lmao. Love this video

[@kathycaffey2235]

Ask for people’s names they have done work for. Ask to see pictures of work they have done. Then ask who will be here to do work and make sure you have it inspected to make sure the job was done correctly. You could also ask for proof that they have license to be doing this work. If not sure if they are licensed, call to check on this also. Now days you have to be careful, the least expensive is not always the best. As customer, you must do your share of work to make sure you hire someone who knows what they are doing. They can tell you anything. Believe me, I’ve seen some of the work that is done out there. I know man that fixes those messes all the time. Do your part and check them out before.

[@hg2.]

Isn't this a function of our sh*tted up immigration policy?

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Our state doesn't license HVAC companies. Anyone can start a business and act like experts. In fact if you see a company stating they are licensed, they are lying. They probably are referring to driver's license.

[@bladedspokes]

"You can't stop a Trane." New home builder: "Hold my beer." And whoever did that ductwork should never be allowed to do ductwork ever again.

[@chris-thumper7205]

Looks like a 3rd grader put all that together. No pride in their work and it shows.

[@TedCookHVAC]

yes... 3rd grader is right.

[@JasonW.]

Participation trophy for at least trying to color within the lines

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

Good stuff Ted. They do the same crap here!!

[@TedCookHVAC]

Thanks a lot John... those butcher jobs make ya sick to see... so anyway, where ya been ? do I need to send you a new camera or what ? Everyone misses your videos !!

[@leonelramirez3231]

Wondering how high the friction rate is in that system. Prob have huge anount of total equivalent length. Is it normal to use flx for entire system your way?

[@miguelflorenzano854]

The ac guy is clueless

[@Eddy63]

Was the name of the install company called Three Stooges HVAC/R ? Lol ... Good vid ...

[@TedCookHVAC]

That name would fit them for sure !!

[@JasonW.]

If that was my house and I saw that being built like that, I'd be very tempted to give the original HVAC artists a High Volume Attitude Correction

[@rubenp8750]

There would still be people that would call Three Stooges to fix or install a system.

[@boogaloo62]

these guys around me that put in mobile homes and their units are just as bad. same problem, but found piece of wood clogging up the indoor piston.

[@sknight0391]

She's got the Mean-Green inside of her. 👽

[@hvacmike1175]

Shannon Knight HVAC no warranty if you put dye in a system if the manufacturer finds out.

[@1989Chrisc]

@@hvacmike1175 whys that? Can it corrode copper or damage parts? I hate when that shit gets all over gauges. Theres no need for it.. a good leak detector and some patience

[@stevekaufmann8109]

@@hvacmike1175 not true but it is for stop leak

[@hvacmike1175]

Steve Kaufmann per most major manufacturers of HVAC equipment most dyes Will void your warranty. Only OEM approved dyes are allowed by some manufacturers. Trane and American Standard will not honor warranties on sealed system components with UV Dyes in them. Assuming they want the part back and check it

[@stevekaufmann8109]

@@hvacmike1175 carrier doesnt void the warranty we've been carrier dealers since the 60s never had an issue

[@hg2.]

If you have a few, could you expand a little about what (1) that "fresh air" stuff was all about in the attic, and (2) what (or why) were there supply and return vents in the attic air handler?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Spray Foam house ..... a different way to insulate. Look it up... interesting.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

@@TedCookHVAC what about the degassing of the foam?

[@etherealrose2139]

1. It is a makeup air unit. Say you keep going in and out of the house while running vent fans (bathroom, kitchen) you're pushing air out of the house and creating negative pressure so when you open those doors it sucks air in to maintain equilibrium. Which means more dirt and dust comes in that you can't see and moisture. If you have it piped in directly to the unit and automated it can hopefully filter it first and pull moisture out since it hits the coil right away and you have your make up air lost through forced venting now creating positive pressure and when you open said doors, your indoor air blows OUTSIDE. It's more common on businesses with lots of foot traffic going In and out of doors or places that might be super dusty and you want to prevent dust intrusion. My house has a duct at rhs return for this purpose (sealed off because I need a filter for it) but I have to manually adjust the damper. I don't have pressure issues nor am I going in and out a lot so I keep it damped and sealed for now. I like that one was automated. More effective. 2. It's a conditioned space with the spray foam.

[@hkgonra]

How low should that heat pump be able to heat without using the emergency coils ? The few units I have seen need emergency coils below 35 degrees.

[@mdovideo1414]

Are duct board plenums better than metal insulated with duct wrap?

[@TedCookHVAC]

NO !!

[@jameslippincott]

Those janky new construction jobs I swear!

[@michaelhawkins6275]

Sounds like Blake Shelton!!!

[@JCT442]

There's an octopus in the attic...

[@jerrylockhart3069]

That’s not mobile home flex. That’s black vinyl flex is actually cheaper than mobile home flex. Some of it they call quiet flex that’s usually dark grey.

[@cameronprice931]

You were able to tell the indoor TXV is bad by what pressure you’re getting from the gauges?

[@sjefoekel6058]

Well that whent smooth, switching from heat to cool😨😨! It sounded like the valves where gonna come flying out.

[@fugaldestroyer7334]

was gonna say that compressor is on its way out

[@hg2.]

Aren't heat pump valves supposed to sound like that?

[@docdat3468]

What's the Monthly Special?

[@mrcrux213]

Lol 🤣🤣 " All tha per ingenier expects" A beautiful SMan 4.

[@supermodo417]

They probably didn't flow nitrogen whike welding. Carbon will develop and clog txv

[@ras9730]

Or they cooked the txv when brazing

[@stevenjfanucchi]

That dye is the worst also. It will block up a valve and screens just as bad as any contaminants. And turned my sight glass green and cloudy 🤦‍♂️

[@danielbryant5372]

Hate to say it but that is the exact type of work I have gone behind for the past decade and a half. The biggest reason why is unfortunately not one person who installs the system can speak or read English. So the bad jobs can't be corrected because you can't instruct the installers. And with new construction houses, the inspectors have no idea what they are looking at and if they do know anything and point it out, they're taken care of in some way or the other. That's why I see work that has passed inspection all the time that was against code 20 years ago when I installed units. What's even more sad is the guy that does a good job and cares is told he takes to long even though one job gets no call backs and the other is an every week call until the customer gets sick of seeing that company come there every week doesn't matter for some reason. And 1 more thing. The bigger the company is, the worse the quality of work. That's why you see all the flex ducts all over like spaghetti.

[@hg2.]

Isn't this a function of our sh*tted up immigration policy?

[@ethanpoole3443]

hg2 Speaking as someone who spent much of his life growing up in Florida (before moving to SC) and has had a lot of first hand experiences with migrant workers, that really is not a fair comment even though I realize anti-immigrant comments are very much in vogue these days. Truthfully, they are some of the most hard-working people you will ever come across (that said, this is a generalization and there can be lazy individuals but they don’t last long) - they will happily work on a hot roof all day on a 110°F summer day in 90% humidity in full sun without complaint and get the job done. The problem is really one of proper training - if you grabbed a kid straight out of high school and dumped them in the HVAC field and never taught them anything useful other than showing them a few photos of past shoddy jobs and instruct them to “duplicate this”, how great a job would that inexperienced American high school graduate do? Probably no better because, as with most trades, there is a heck of a lot to learn and you need a very good teacher to learn to do the job right and it takes years to master (and, yet, many are day laborers and can be working totally different jobs from one day to the next as they are often treated like a commodity). Now add in the fact that their employers are only interested in profit and winning low-bid contracts, so a worker who tries to educate themselves to do a better job is often verbally berated and humiliated because they took an extra hour longer and/or used more, or more expensive, materials than had they done things the “way they were told”. This focus on profit over performance extends well beyond migrant workers and trades - the disabled husband of a friend of mine works as a bagger at a local grocery store and is verbally berated by the manager every time he has the audacity to double bag an especially heavy bag without the customer specifically requesting the extra bag as the manager only cares about the cost of the extra bag and considers it the customer’s own fault if an overloaded bag fails when they try to load/unload their car even though the store does the bagging. Although many may focus on the seeming language barrier, at a minimum whomever is in charge of hiring and scheduling the migrant workers will be bilingual (oftentimes so are some of the migrants) and can competently communicate with them, so it isn’t that nobody can talk to them to train them but rather that they (the boss) could care less about training to begin with because quality is not what those companies really care about, they just want the winning low-bid contract and that money in their bank account and then they are gone...if they get a bad name in the industry then they simply dissolve their company and reincorporate under a new name within a matter of weeks (at most). In many respects we can thank Walmart and Company, as well as one another (as customers), for this race to the very bottom in search of ringing profit out of the lowest price bid regardless of the consequences such has on quality - and immigrants had nothing to do with that, that is entirely on all of us and the fouled up priorities and greed of our corporations where money and profit are all that matters and conscience holds no sway! Cheap labor sources merely facilitated their ability to extract profit in this race to the bottom.

[@hg2.]

@@ethanpoole3443 What a lengthy, whiney-socialist illegal-immigrant-apologist response. I didn't say ANYTHING about how hard they work. An immigrant policy that allows in people who can't even speak the language is a stupid policy. Please spare us the lecture about how hard working they are or how greedy the corporations are.

[@hg2.]

@@ethanpoole3443 www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-low-skill-immigrants-the-us-taxpayer

[@Bryan-Hensley]

@@ethanpoole3443 what did you want him to do? Lie about it so it doesn't hurt your little sensitive feelings?

[@watermanone7567]

Thanks for the video's. I did service in New England for years and ran across some similar work. Do any installers in the south install hard duct work and take off the room vents with flex?? Seems that some of them use flex all the way and use distribution boxes like the one you showed us. What a shame. You have excellent video's.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Waterman one I do.. look at the geo house rough in video of mine.

[@aaronlindley9482]

South here speaking, mostly hard pipe in commercial and flex on res, unless under the house or owner or job calls for the other. But, no matter what the material or location is, if you use your material properly and do a good job, all should be good.

[@jeremyvega9749]

Well done 👍

[@danowolf]

Wouldn't it be better to use different color duct to show location?

[@1YouTube_you]

So the evap TXV was stuck full open ? Because slammed closed would have driven the head pressure up through the roof?

[@stoutboy4130]

Have you never pumped a system down for repair? Explain why the head goes through the roof please.....

[@keenangrill6372]

I love how everyone is complaining about spaghetti duct work. What are you supposed to have just 1 ducted vent for a entire house?

[@PAToph]

Get a proper square duct or round duct sized up. Flex duct lost its shape and should only be used in final connection to diffuser...

[@jeffez6572]

ugh I hope u dont do this for a living

[@keenangrill6372]

@@jeffez6572 lol for the past 22 years. Flexible duct designed properly works just fine.

[@jeffez6572]

@@keenangrill6372 ok iv been doing this for 19yrs and have advanced knowledge of air balancing. #1 14" supply with 10 takeoffs from 1 main box is going to have horrible airflow especially with no dampers. Iv ran flex many times and if installed properly works great. I still dont see why they didnt run a rectangular duct and tap the flex off of that. Looked to me like there was room. Unfortunately the reason why is cuz they could care less about comfort and it saved them hundreds in labor.

[@keenangrill6372]

I guess everyone thinks I'm defending this install. I'm not, it's a terrible design. I'm defending flexible duct. When designed and installed properly it's fantastic. Saves the customer and contractor $

[@DigitalIP]

Now that's a sexy Tahoe

[@asconstruction4146]

Why do they always put the unit in the attic where is unconditioned space so the unit is essentially working twice as hard why haven’t we learned this lesson yet

[@TexasScout]

a&s construction In this case, the attic is not unconditioned space. The foam insulation forms a barrier that prevents egress and entrance of air. My new house is going to be built the same way the attic will be a condition space.

[@WVmikey1973]

I always put them in attic even under regular insulation. The system does not work any harder.

[@hg2.]

Also, the supplies and returns ducts are insulated (right?), so those sauna attic temperatures aren't supposed to affect the air handler operation.

[@TexasScout]

hg2 I know two people that have this, it’s only 2 deg hotter in the attic than the house during the hottest days of summer.

[@GlitchedPepsi]

Pause at 2:42-2:43 wtf? Who nailed that wood? Look to bottom left do you see nails sticking out? And one is not pushed in fully lol

[@correctingchristianity]

Why are houses using multiple systems instead of sizing it for the whole house?

[@ozzy2753]

Bryce Shearer because the second floor is always hotter than the first. So it gives you more control of each floor

[@mikes252]

Homeowner saved $500 in labour not hiring a different company, now had a huge pile of garbage in their attic

[@jumpinjojo]

Mike S Not the homeowner. The builder.

[@chadholmes7051]

Nice vid like your attention to detail I’m a fridgy in Australia I’m curious are most of the units in the us that style many of the units you seem to have look quite conventional and not particularly modern. We have been dumping units like that just older versions of course for newer twin fan units with variable capacity compressors and in the mid to higher end of the market here you almost never see txv’s much any more there all going to electronic valves and variable speed fans even on non inverter units. Just curious what’s the market difference I would say mostly here energy efficiency is the main design issue followed by noise.

[@hg2.]

Aussie Friend, with all due respect, here is what Australia has done to its electricity market. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIqriWB_l5iEa7M This might be why Australia have/needs more complicated and expensive AC equipment. (High maintenance too?) Here in America, our busy-body bureaucrats are doing a great job of screwing up EVERY aspect of HVAC with their quack science chemistry (the ozone scam) and "efficiency" bright ideas. Hats off to Ted, who stockpiled R22 when the EPA jihadists declared war on it. Here's more on the "ozone hole" cr*p: Does the fact that there is 6 months of darkness at the south pole contribute to lack of ozone there? Why doesn't Clorox, pool chlorine, or chlorine from seawater (NaCl "salt water) deplete ozone? Why do CFC's only deplete ozone at the south pole? Why are CFCs the only source of high-atmosphere chlorine? Being heavier than air, how do CFCs reach the stratosphere, which starts 6 miles up? Being heavier than air, what happens to CFCs when released into the atmosphere? If the ozone hole was "discovered" in the late 70s with satellite imagery, how do we know it wasn't there all along? The Ozone Scam kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4TdpGCqp8p7rbM Min 1:20 : The offending molecule is CHLORINE. Min 3:30 : Freon costs 50 cents/pound to manufacture. Min 2:40 : The biggest source of atmospheric CHLORINE is evaporation of seawater (NaCL in saltwater). Climate 101: Ozone Depletion | National Geographic kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4aZoauJg6mDntU Min 1:50 : The offending molecule is CHLORINE. Min 0:50 : Ozone is a trace gas composing 3 parts per 10,000,000 molecules of AIR. Lot of discussion of other sources of atmospheric chlorine: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100310134150.htm

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Dependability. These units last 20 years. Trane uses the electronic txv in the higher end units and we have to replace them all the time. I won't install one anymore. They are horrible. The energy saving is so tiny you'll throw all your savings away in the first txv replacement. Inverter compressors aren't as reliable as 2 stage compressor. Once again the energy savings is so tiny the extra repairs will destroy your savings. It's much better to look at the overall picture. Also units with inverter compressors units are $2000 higher for a 3 ton compared to a 2 stage.

[@Kritchley]

@@hg2. it's people like you who still use banned HFC that are destroying the ozone just do what the highly trained scientist tell you to they no more about chemistry then you or I do

[@hg2.]

@@Kritchley "Ozone" was the warmup act for global warming quackery: A primer on climate quackery: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIW2mKaMmbB5ZrM Professor Bob Carter PhD on Global Warming: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX-6YaWbbqqke5o Professor Bob Carter on Global Warming Science: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoOmeoakZrCZgbM

[@hg2.]

@@Kritchley Does the fact that the average elevation of Antarctica is 8,000 feet have any thing to do with it? (As opposed to the NORTH pole, which has an elevation of 0 feet (and NO ozone hole).)

[@WVmikey1973]

Wait....They still make cheap black ductwork. Piss poor installation

[@matthewgainey8174]

We call it trash bag flex🤣

[@JesseDoesHVAC]

Even just as simple as duct taping up the ends of the pipe sets if you can’t be arsed pinching off and welding....I mean cmon

[@hg2.]

Was this a "no heat" or "no AC" call?

[@TedCookHVAC]

NO heat but the indoor valve is still needed for defrost mode.

[@proudlysig3934]

I wish people took pride in they're work I'd be ashamed to do this to somebody

[@RayRay-nb7tn]

Someone needs an ass beating on that install. I had a boss that love to do those distribution boxes, man one hell of a hack job. That company should be out of BUSINESS for good. I looked at that job and said thats got TM all over it. I hope you got the chance to fix that for the homeowner.

[@hg2.]

TM?

[@jackedup8790]

@@hg2. time and materials

[@paulcilluffo]

That plumbing would not pass new construction in Michigan why two units that house cold be cooled with proper duct work and more thought into the installation it's sad craftsmanship for o new install

[@rigakit]

Buy those guys some duct straps!!

[@ross1116]

The disconnects are illegal. NEC 110.26

[@havox112]

Ross it is breakered in the main panel and you are probably not going to work on it live so it doesn’t count unless the inspector is being an asshole

[@ross1116]

Gachiguru no it counts. Thats why we have the code. Most hvac guys just have no idea about National Electric Code.

[@havox112]

I try to put it to the right of the lineset at chest height if I do new builds but most of the time we only know the general location of the AC and the hvac guys do not have the lineset stubbed out because the basement is unfinished and they wait to run the lineset until trim.

[@ross1116]

Gachiguru there are no good excuses for illegal work. 110.26 is for the safety of the technician.

[@havox112]

@@ross1116 The company bottom line tells a different story unfortunately.

[@butchcassidy5398]

Is 18k to much for a new system in a 1600 square foot condo ? South florida?

[@erikcable1755]

sounds high to me...the equipment and supplies would cost under 8,000...10k for profit and labor made in less than 40 man hours...

[@caleb4846]

Do you have a rooftop condensing unit, or is it ground level? Rooftop units may require a crane. Depending on where all of your equipment is located, the labor may increase. Also if they gave you a breakdown of your quote they may have standard options that are making the cost go up. The other main thing is the seer or efficiency rating. You pay for what you get, and then again sometimes they're just trying to over charge you.

[@hvacmike1175]

South Fl condos are are expensive to do. labor is horrendous usually can’t park near the condo can only use the freight elevator and can only work certain hours and most require higher liability insurance. Usually the materials are about 30% of the job if it’s priced right. so if they are hourly employees doing the install and not subs. If it’s a new high end system with ductwork 16000to 18000 sounds about right. I was in south dade Broward and south palm beach county for 15 years. Way to many people and cars for me. When the youngest graduated high school we moved further north. Make sure they pull a permit and get the ok from the condo commandos before they show up.

[@jerrylockhart3069]

I bet you they burn up sensing Bulb by putting too much heat on it.

[@blue03r6]

spray foam rots wood. I feel bad for those people

[@hg2.]

Min 13:25 -- is the "rule" that 2-story houses need 2 systems, one for each floor?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Much better that way yes.... or a true variable capacity machine with zoning.

[@hg2.]

@@TedCookHVAC Thank you Anti. ... I see "wireless high-tech bluetooth smart AC sytems on the horizon..."

[@peterreed1758]

Let me guess. You don't like to drive with acetylene in the van?

[@TedCookHVAC]

???

[@darekcieslik6838]

People actually pay for this kind of work distribution box lol.

[@Luzt.]

The quality is pathetic and this is a visible part. The invisible parts must be shit. The owners of such a house can still be happy and prosperous. These are the technicians maintaining/repairing this, who are miserable.

[@alexlovvorn4870]

But you can’t prove it was the company that installed its fault. It could possibly be a lemon txv

[@alexlovvorn4870]

Trane doesnt have the reputation they used to

[@ryanself3763]

Unit is r22 and your on 410a captain

[@TedCookHVAC]

Unit is 410a.

[@ALSomthin]

Its amazing how many incompetant installers are out there. Much of it is just laziness and bad training. I would often correct installers that worked under me for bad practices and incompetence they would always defensively reply with the same crap . "Well thats the way I was taught how to do it " or the ever popular ; " I ain't never heard o that".

[@TedCookHVAC]

Yea... or it was already like that so I put it back.

[@ALSomthin]

@@TedCookHVAC yes I have heard that one with vent pipe.

[@hg2.]

Isn't this a function of our sh*tted up immigration policy?

[@ALSomthin]

@@hg2. possibly but its more of a bunch of greedy turds with little or no training thinking that they are proffessionals and then hiring more idiots with little training. Then with those guys wanabe hvac contractors use these people that are willing to bust thier ass for nothing and they get little training. Then they go around and get the low bids on jobs from other greedy people that think they are saving money and work continues with little or no supervision. There is a Jack ass where I live that has what he calls a "Heating and air conditioning academy" he gets his "students" in for a little training for two weeks. charges them a few thousand dollars. Then gives them jobs to do around town as part of thier "training". They pay him to do the jobs.

[@donnierobertson3088]

good job

[@jamesfields4149]

In the heat mode the indoor blower runs at a lower speed....than in the A/C mode.....when you energize the reversing valve at the condenser it did not change the speed of the indoor blower.....This would give false readings on your SMAN

[@clintgray1623]

Not on heat pump just gas

[@jamesfields4149]

@@clintgray1623 Sorry about that you are correct

[@chriscube2362]

That spider web system sucks ass. Completely incorrect. Too lazy to run a trunk line