*NEW DETAILS* Toyota's NEW Crown "wagon" is a HOME RUN for America

#TOYOTA #TOYOTACROWN #CROWNSUV #WAGON #CAMRY
Toyota has just revealed an all-new crown for America. Here's everything we know about the stretched and lifted #hybrid wagon.
Toyota Crown’s magnificent and innovative look breaks every convention in the book, is unique for its class and adds bold style to the Toyota sedan lineup. The Toyota Crown offers two electrified powertrains, and standard AWD across all grades. With its massive wheels, sleek and aerodynamic shape, the Toyota Crown is a ride that immediately catches the eye.
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[@bigprocrastinator]

Can't stop applauding Toyota for bringing back a wagon to the US. It's the right way to reenter the market with a long roof

[@rightlanehog3151]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@fortheloveofnoise]

it's too SUV for my standards to be a wagon

[@faheemabbas3965]

@@fortheloveofnoisesame. It may look way different in person though. Maybe it’s like the Mazda CX-50?

[@chezzyperson3339]

It’s not really a wagon, it’s like a shrunken Ford Flex

[@CarShopping101]

@@fortheloveofnoise For the love of god. Who cares. Crossovers are just lifted wagons.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, How often do our automotive dreams actually come true? Let's celebrate a very practical and very OVERDUE new wagon from a credible manufacturer.🎊🎊 Whether they call it a Crown SUV, Crown CUV or Crown Cross, it is about time we got a Japanese premium wagon to compete with the European brands.🥳🥳 Let's also be REALISTIC about sales figures as it is a niche model. I would like to go on the record in saluting the designers' decision to keep the D pillar sanely sized as too many vehicles in this class are blighted by a bloated D pillar.👏👏 On a practical note, I hope they can get the tow capacity up to the 3,500 lbs range we see with the Highlander and Sienna Hybrids which share the same powertrain. Wagon fans in the bargain price range still want the Corolla Touring, Touring Sports, Fielder and Probox. This Crown gives us reason to keep hoping. 🤞🤞 🤞🤞

[@fortheloveofnoise]

It will sell great and more than the current Crown in America.

[@Unchainedmaple888]

My dreams got crushed knowing that the Crown Sport is probably not coming to the States. I mean c'mon, the Sport looks so much better than the Estate

[@davidp.4727]

Absolutely love this!!! Makes so much more sense than the Crown sedan we have now.

[@E_Rice]

Yes! Happy we’re getting it in the U.S. Congrats Kirk for getting access, proves your channel is growing. I love the channel, I’ve learned a lot from you.

[@escheidl]

As a child of the 60's, the "Estate" name was quite popular for larger wagons, mostly in the 70's and 80's. I think it's a great comeback name considering this new wagon at this price point is going to appeal mostly to the baby boomer generation. The name is quite nostalgic for us and brings back many fond family trip memories. I LOVE the long flat useable floor space and the long roofline that helps the back stay more square and useable for cargo. I'm very excited to see a wagon finally return to North America. But what I'd really like to see is a Camry version of this with the current 2.5l Hybrid system in FWD standard and AWD optional. That would be something more affordable for young families to enjoy and finally give us an economical fuel efficient solution in a vehicle with a space for the family dog and gear for the stuff we love to do.

[@rightlanehog3151]

The original Venza really was a stylized Camry wagon. It sold in decent numbers but got axed anyway. I hope Toyota sets more modest and attainable sales goals for the Crown Estate. Toyota has several wagon variants in their portfolio ie Corolla Touring, Corolla Touring Sports, Corolla Fielder and Probox. A reasonable reception for the premium Crown could lead to more affordable wagons in the future. Finally, it was not so long ago that the Matrix and several Scion wagons were for sale in our market, who knows what the future may bring. 🤞🤞

[@fortheloveofnoise]

If you want a car young people can afford today....we need a Yaris wagon. 😅

[@escheidl]

@@rightlanehog3151 The problem with all of the so called "wagon" attempts in the recent past is that they are all either modified hatchbacks or on SUV platforms with short limited cargo floors and raked rear rooflines, making them pretty useless in my book and not worth the extra fuel to move them. Case in point, - My Son purchased a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid while I own a 2018 Camry Hybrid. They both share the same Hybrid engine although his is bumped up a little in horsepower to make up for the added wind resistance, weight, and larger tires. His also has the electric rear axle for AWD which I don't need. My Camry Hybrid averages 48 mpg while his RAV4 Hybrid averages 36 mpg. That's a 12 mpg difference for a pretty useless back section. And over the course of 300,000 miles, which is how long I keep my Toyota's, that results in an additional cost of over $8000 with $4.00 gal gas. A FWD Camry Hybrid wagon with a "proper" squared off long roofline and a long flat floor would have a much more useable rear area (look at pictures of old Camry wagons) and most likely it will only suffer a 3-4 mpg loss instead of the 12 mpg loss the RAV4 does. And the Venza is just a modified RAV4 that get's even lower gas mileage with a highly stylized roofline making it even more worthless than the RAV4's already compromised back area. Please Toyota, bring us back a proper Camry wagon.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@fortheloveofnoise I don't remember ever seeing a Yaris wagon but there was a Tercel wagon in the 80s.

[@mkyhou1160]

@@rightlanehog3151It will fail like the Venza did - wagons per branding just aren’t where it’s at in North America, changing the name to Crown (which brings images of old Toyota Japanese market luxury sedans) won’t help much. Instead of wasting resources on niche vehicles (want a wagon? Buy a highlander and fold third row), increase production of existing crossovers/wagons, Highlander, RAV4, Corolla Cross, to wipe out the dealer rip off.

[@R4baDader]

Man, I’m disappointed about the crown sport. Would’ve been a perfect car for me, but we live in America where the unibody SUV is king. Oh well. But this lifted wagon is a genuinely interesting option, I’m thinking about it like a classier outback with better powertrains. Putting it that way, it’s a very solid option. I’m happy we’re getting something different, but not as different as to what could have been

[@michaels3003]

He was *speculating*. There is no official news that the "sport" model will never be coming.

[@minnybiker4505]

As a Toyota fan currently driving an Outback, I'm paying attention! Although, I imagine it's going to be expensive.

[@frankiexv4533]

I’m currently driving an Outback as a loaner while my Camry is in for body work; and I have to say it’s really been a surprisingly great vehicle to drive and if Toyota makes something in that category as a raised wagon I would jump on that immediately.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Start jumping!

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

Love hatchbacks and stations wagons they are so much more practical than sedans. Add in all wheel drive and you have an all weather light off roader.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Exactly!!

[@VenomSnakee]

honestly for the american market this wagon should have been what the crown should have been

[@tinhinnh]

well its supposed to replace the avalon with a twist and they didnt want to abandon the big sedan market

[@toytech5201]

Looks like a new version of the first generation Venza. I still own a first generation Venza, this may be my replacement!

[@mrgurulittle7000]

As always, we appreciate your in depth insight and forecast of the auto industry, Kirk.✌️🙏Gotta say this once in awhile.

[@ty90k80]

Finally, I have been waiting for this Wagon. I almost buy a Subaru Outback but waiting for Toyota :)

[@rightlanehog3151]

Good move!

[@lbnycity89]

I would just ask my Toyota dealership if I could get a crown badge. If not, then I’ll just get one 3D printed.

[@1985toyotacamry]

Best way to go.

[@rct8884]

Lol

[@Mr_Kirk_]

OMG I want this vehicle. Please have AWD. I would 100% buy this over the LC.

[@V8Brah]

Who cross shops a LC500 and this??

[@dogepoge]

Live stream please both the crown estate and new Camry if you can but no worries if you can’t 😊. Thanks Kirk for being the best!

[@yiyangcheng]

I feel like this should’ve been the Venza instead of the Crown Estate.

[@mas921]

2850mm wheelbase, that's exactly the wheelbase of the LC300/LC250 !

[@pdd3]

The only one I'd be interested in is the Crown Sport. In fact, I was really hoping it'd be my next car. Everything else is too long. Difficult to park in tight spots.

[@anthonymitchell9337]

I'm with you pdd3. I am only interested in the Crown Sport which is a Porsche Macan wrapped in Toyota reliability. That's a damn homerun.

[@PrecisionAcc]

then get better at parking lmao

[@faheemabbas3965]

then get better at parking lmao Although… the problem is that cars are getting bigger, but many streets aren’t.

[@mikej238]

yup, was going to trade in my 23 Rav 4 Ltd Hybrid for the Sport...Pass

[@E_Rice]

Hmm, lower than RAV4 makes me think you’ll be feeling like the headroom is a little tight as you do with the current Crown. I understand we hybrid vehicles need sleekness but that’s one thing I wish Toyota would dial back some. I’ll sacrifice a 2-3 mph for an additional 1-1.5 inches of headroom. Kirk, please tell us how the headroom feels to you. Thanks in advance!

[@ATXDiecast]

Could you please show us where in the Toyota / Lexus product line up this may fit?

[@NBPT428]

I love wagons. Been looking for a non SUV wagon from Japan that isn't a Subie. My 2013 Acura TSX Wagon is still going strong. This one looks like a great potential replacement

[@rightlanehog3151]

👍

[@amininshassi6370]

I think so too.

[@rtistik]

I definitely would like to have the Crown Estate for my next car or for a second car. Hatchbacks and wagons are my go-to choice for a car. Bravo Toyota can't wait to see this car in person.

[@justinmcroberts4633]

Toyota loves the 112.2" wheelbase. Its been used since the 60 series Land Cruiser in the early 80s. Its still being used today, now on the LC 300, Prado 250s (GX550, USDM LC250,), and LX600. Im interested in the wagon, but also the sport model. My current daily is a Land Cruiser 200.

[@dude-yg9ez]

Used on highlander rx crown cross also

[@smbeidler]

That’s a way better looking Outback, I hope it comes to the US.

[@elsaandnoah]

I’m really happy to have a wagon option. I like the old Venza body shape and I like Subaru Outback but Toyota reliability might be better.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Toyota reliability will be better!

[@mas921]

also the body kits are by Modellista, they're dealer installable by Toyota dealers in Asia and Middle East

[@pan4632]

Hey Kirk, it seems that Toyota patented the name "Land Cruiser FJ" recently. Some are speculating this will be the Compact Cruiser they have been teasing

[@FracturedGoblin]

Such a weird coincidence that, during the same year that I imported from Japan my own 2003 Crown Estate to Canada, Toyota brings out the 2023 Crown and then now this "estate" model. Pretty damn cool. IMO though this is less of a Wagon and more like a SUV, atleast through images it looks quite big.. my 2003 estate is low slung and boxy like a Volvo wagon.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I'll have the copper colored Wagon, please.........Would go for more front bumper clearance for nose in parking to curbs.............Now drive a 24' Forester touring.........For Me,.It's a go anywhere luxuary Vehicle........Paul

[@alexbruski]

I love wagons but only one of these I'd buy is the crown sport. That car looks incredible and is a more reliable, probably cheaper Macan. It's a shame it's not coming here since the Macan is such a good seller for Porsche.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

It still looks SUV-ish somehow. But it’s very G! This car really complements the Crown lineup, and fills the niche of a premium wagon segment.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@monkeyrun]

SUV's really just a taller wagon....

[@blackwhirlwind1245]

Lifted wagon, kinda like outback.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@monkeyrunTrue.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@blackwhirlwind1245Yeah, but Outback is categorized as Crossover. The Crown wagon is still very cool though, and I’ll accept it as a wagon…I guess.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@Brian_Eugene_LeeAgree. We definitely need a Camry Wagon!

[@marvdatboi]

Toyota has been absolutely killing it

[@irajdesilva]

The Modelista and TRD body kits are installed at the dealership (when buying the car new). Sometimes they are installed at the dealership line's main/central prefecture garage/workshop if the dealership cannot do it. You can order it retroactively as well and just pickup the parts and install it yourself too.

[@ytsux9259]

I don't understand why the Crown Sport wouldn't come here. It would sell so well. Americans of all people love sporty-looking vehicles.

[@ciello___8307]

I know its sold out in japan so maybe theres no supply for export yet

[@tsutenkakug6168]

Considering practicality, the estate is probably the best choice. However, since such estates are not popular these days, I think they made it look like a SUV, as well as the crossover.

[@GT-gt4bf]

Crown Sport won’t be here since it would eat into Lexus NX 350h sales. A shame, but expected.

[@Omnis2]

Really hope you can get one for low 30s, and that the inside has more useable space than the cramped Venza/Rav4. The fact that it folds totally flat is awesome for biking, surfing, and camping. This is what people want SUVs for.... there's no car form factor that does this well.

[@LivingRetirement]

My favorite crown is the estate for sure. Long overdue to get a station wagon from a Japanese brand other than Subaru over here. And German carmaker VW just axed the Golf station wagon iterations in 2020 for the US.

[@zmirc]

A Toyota wagon ecvt hybrid with AWD would be AAAAAWEEEEESOME

[@robertflores2794]

Toyota crown sport hatch back I saw it on Instagram leak 😍 honestly I would get one if we get it in America

[@subieasunayuuki]

That's more closer to a suv than a wagon from at least from that thumbnail. It has a body profile similar to that of a GLC but that's not bad and maybe it also has some Fortuner design ques aswell. It's profile is similar to a Fortuner but with a lower or sportier roofline. It does look more interesting than a Fortuner so I'll give it that and it looks better. However, the problem would probably be the price in my country. It would probably be really close to a million or over a million cash but considering new car prices have significantly gone up in recent years, it's probably gonna be the price of the Crown models that may be coming to the country

[@samuelharris6846]

Toyota should call this the Camry cross

[@dogie8c]

I’m getting the feeling that Toyota doesn’t want to bring the Crown sport state side because of the Venza / Harrier.

[@chezzyperson3339]

Well the Venza/Harrier isn’t successful in the US

[@camgere]

"Wagon" and PHEV is very cool. Still unknown "Additional Dealer Markup."

[@craigo2142]

I'm ready for it. I've been looking at Venza, how do you think it will fit into the line-up, now?

[@nevercedes2070]

Crown Signia 💪🏽

[@jaxlexus384]

I think it’s wrong that they call it a wagon cause it’s clearly an suv. I can see why they’ve made an suv cause that’s where the markets at but don’t call it a wagon or an estate. I think when it comes out someone will probably put body coloured cladding and lower it to be an actual station wagon cause it’ll so much better. to me SUVs are pointless cause you could buy an old 70 series and then buy a station wagon for a family car and not have to lug around all that extra weight.

[@benz9063]

Is Crown Estate going to replace the Venza?

[@dave1956]

I have read where only 20,000 are expected to be imported per year. Hopefully the dealers won’t get greedy. I’d like to buy one.

[@jombii-7090]

Im crushed there's no sedan model coming to the states (at least for right now🤞🤞)

[@TalismanPHX]

Please livestream the Crown Estate debut from LA

[@stephengneri2136]

In 1971 my friends purchased one. really nice car for a small family. the transmission needed a re calibration but other than that a ok.

[@j_mofab]

This looks better than the Crown we currently have but I was really excited about the Crown Sport. I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for the "baby land cruiser" or I'll have to settle for the mile long Rav 4 waitlist🙄

[@fcnghkkc1]

It's a first gen re-incarnated Venza . 👏

[@E_Rice]

Wow, top model will be plug in and not hybrid max system. Very interesting lineup. I already want it, lol.

[@stevensturm8552]

It would be great to see on livestream. Thanks

[@saintgregory88]

At a 194 inches long, the Crown Estate will be longer than the Subaru Outback (191) and more similar to the Honda Pilot and Toyota Highlander. I like the design however it may be challenging to maneuver in city driving and parking lots. The crown sport is 185 inches, which is perfect for me but its not coming to NA currently. Why are these new vehicles becoming so big. Are they all destined to become ride shares?

[@KirkKreifels]

Yeah I agree. We should have crown sport too as it's more compact. Not everyone wants a boat

[@saintgregory88]

Looking forward to your report from the LA auto show 😀

[@dondenis1500]

I haven't seen one Crown since it came to America. Does anyone know how this model is selling in America?

[@RockMiach]

Really exciting! I think that the small Toyota badge on the back of the Crown lineup looks quite silly unfortunately haha

[@mikecloeter4780]

Toyota can announce all the models they want to, but they don’t actually make them in any quantity. I live near a large city and never in my life have I seen a Crown model of any kind

[@keshawngilchrist2371]

I’ve seen one in my area and just one . After doing research it seems no one buys these things and they are expensive. They sit on lots for long time at least in my area. Not sure who the vehicles are for.

[@faheemabbas3965]

The crown we got? Yeah, that thing is a sales flop. This new crown estate we are getting though? It’s going to do WAYYY better.

[@ozyvillanueva9277]

@@faheemabbas3965how tho? It looks like your typical suv. People don’t really seem to be excited about this one either. And if it costs like it seems like it will, not many will buy it.

[@jeffjones9821]

Looking for a replacement for my Regal TourX, this could be it.

[@rightlanehog3151]

👍

[@clothestravel]

I’ve never been into Toyota as a brand, but as a wagon enthusiast, I’d applaud them for bringing a wagon to the US! I am sick of all these SUVs and crossovers that have completely saturated the market.

[@rightlanehog3151]

👏👏👏👏

[@grummanfanschneid]

Toyota - my father (recently passed) was an airframe engineer for probably the best manufacturer of defense aircraft the world over - Grumman Aerospace - it’s quality was unmatched and was taken out by Dick Cheney (he hated Grumman and forced a hostile takeover thru Northrop) - u may ask why am I sharing this info - what made Grumman unique ( it listened to its customers aka the Pilots) in what they wanted: hence as a happy 23 Outback Xt owner I’d love to see either Subaru/Toyota come up with a 300 or 300+ GR Outback or Crown with as good or better off-road capabilities than my current Outback - I’m goin 4 whoever makes that happen 😁

[@raymondswenson1268]

I own a 2009 Venza. We love that it is easy to get in and out of. The new Venza is a disappointment because the seat is too high and the door opening is too low to get in and out easily. Terrible for us older people with mobility limitations. The new Crown estate wagon looks like a perfect replacement for my Generation One Venza.

[@mike9588]

I would think crown replaces Venza? Idk how you can have Rav4, Venza, and then crown estate and Nx will be similarly priced I’m guessing just like the ES and Crown sedan

[@paulbrown2422]

@mike9588 I agree that it is the replacement for the Venza. I would guess that they will drop the Venza, but time will tell if that is true.

[@bLuDrGn2011]

This, indeed, should have replaced the old Venza and kept the Harrier as a different line of cars. This Crown Estate is more wagon than the current Venza. Also, imo, just as ugly as the original Venza.

[@chezzyperson3339]

This will allow Toyota to really compete with Passport and Murano perhaps the CX70 too

[@forumboss2620]

Please explain the headlights during the reveal!!!! There are just thin white bars on the Gold concept Estate. This does not match the LED lights on the current crown sedan. What are the real lights?!

[@petouser]

I fully agree, this is the 2nd most beautiful crown. IMO they should call it a "crosswagon" to show that it's a crossover wagon.

[@theninethrees8044]

Okay, Toyota need to take a chill pill. They have waay too many SUV’s now. They can’t even keep up with the demand for their OG models yet they keep making more and more unnecessary variants.

[@kingwang9903]

Really like and want the Sport… but will be very happy with the Estate…🎉 Congrats on coming down to Miami for the Maserati gig! You deserve it

[@richardpalmer2957]

I'll might switch the new rav4 I got for it

[@blairbrown4812]

The instant this crossover becomes available in the United States,people will flee the "sedan" in droves and buy this by the metric ton.

[@bmacaulay18]

What is this supposed to do that is different from the Venza? Sure looks very similar.

[@hatersbhating]

I had the same thoughts on the old crown taxis! It was so dam smooth for such an old ride with no hybrid system! No wonder theyre still taxis!

[@markrich6878]

I definitely would take a wagon! Think that this will be a big hit!

[@bluegrassboy2448]

I'd love to have the Crown Sedan. I like the forward thinking with the one we have now, but I like not losing touch with traditional car designs.

[@MrGtronx]

crown sport phev should have come to the US

[@michaelvella8511]

Great looking wagen. Perfect size too....Cant wait to see it in person.....

[@rotorhead4757]

Wish we could have the Crown sedan, but this is definitely a fantastic looking vehicle

[@AllStars2525]

Yeah, the LA show opens on Friday, Nov. 17!

[@seanhershey3390]

Yes please!

[@elcabopr]

I think the Crown is going to replace the Venza. There is no room for this SUV in the line up without removing the Venza. We’ll see.

[@eduardotoledano]

What’s the diff between this Crown Estate and the Toyota Highlander? Or is it slotted between the Pathfinder and the Venza? I’m confused 😐

[@BonnieBarlow-tk6gq]

Pathfinder is a Nissan

[@eduardotoledano]

@@BonnieBarlow-tk6gq my bad! Edited to “Highlander”. Thank you!

[@AaliayahIvy]

Why aren't we getting the crown sport? There are so many cars that look like the estate in the market already. We want the sport. Who is deciding what we as the majority want? I don't get it.

[@Natedoc808]

Dang, was about to buy a camry this weekend... but an awd wago is more my speed. love my wagons ( outback xt and a wrx wagon)

[@AD-lf9ck]

BIG QUESTION WILL BE THE DEALER'S PRICE AFTER MSRP

[@veitjacob9764]

Toyota just nailsit with the design in the last two years. The crown lineup, the new Prius, the ch-r in europe plus the yaris and aygo. The corolla started it all 4 years back. Sweet times for Toyota customers 🎉

[@hiimunranked8663]

did they release the camry in the show?

[@alengreen589]

maybe Crown Sportstourer ?

[@ToyotaChrisWI]

Could be possible they are replacing the Venza with this. 😏

[@y2han]

why not bring Crown logo to US?? what's stopping it? Can you please ask this question to Toyota NA?

[@blackwhirlwind1245]

It’s not well known logo to us market.

[@cafelate9515]

Wow very nice car wished I could afford it

[@alengreen589]

I like the design of the Crown Estate, thanks Kirk.

[@jimjackson4256]

Why the hell would i smash the like button before I’ve see the show?

[@randomrebuilds]

Great, another SUV. Just what the roads needs.

[@mkyhou1160]

Isn’t this what the Venza used to be - a lifted wagon version of Camry? Sounds like same concept, which wasn’t that successful. Changing name to Crown won’t help much. Much rather Toyota increased production of the various existing wagons (which is what crossovers are) to remove the dealer mark up rip off.

[@worldtrav72]

Better be faster off the line than the base Crown.

[@lukesmith981]

This would make more sense if it was the continuation of the old Venza since it looks more like it. The new Venza looks more like the butterfly looking Prius. Toyota is a little confused. Still waiting for the Mini Land Cruiser though.

[@KALVINKOOL]

Looks similar in size to Highlander, is it?

[@magnoliap5824]

No highlander is larger.

[@chezzyperson3339]

Barely bigger than

[@magnoliap5824]

@@chezzyperson3339 he was comparing it to the RAV-4!

[@doubleclutchonline5811]

Finally. Decent looking Toyotas. It's been some time.