New FIRMA 150 V2 Has A MAJOR Issue! | Arrma Kraton and Outcast Delay?

[@850RC]

I can confirm that my Big Rock is having the same issue. Sometimes, it is bad enough to cause the back tires to lift off the ground slightly from how hard it brakes after letting off the throttle. I was told by Horizon that they are currently working on a solution.

[@DoRC]

Good to know. It will be interesting to see what they come up with and if this delays the EXP. I suspect it will because it will be a lot less costly for them to fix the problem before the cars go out

[@nahi6690]

i am having the same issue with a granite with a 100amp esc i put in by spek and it nose dives hard i did throttle set points 3 times it also stays in reverse when i hit reverse

[@DoRC]

@@nahi6690 I'm not sure the two problems are going to be related. The ESC you're using is one that a lot of people have used for a long time and that's not unknown issue. It's probably either a calibration problem or a specifically defective ESC or receiver on your vehicle.

[@JT-6s]

Thanks for watching Earl so I don’t have to. Saved me about 10 videos and 8 hours of listening to Earl’s whine-fests , when 1 video and 5 minutes of actual information would do!!

[@DoRC]

Well we just have different styles of video making. I'm not really much of one for conversation so it tends to Make my videos a lot shorter :-)

[@jerryvolpini7987]

​@@DoRC Very diplomatic answer, Kenny, lol! Earl is a bit 'wordy' though 😉 You get right to the point and don't waste our time - much appreciated! ✌

[@DoRC]

@@jerryvolpini7987 Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching :-)

[@boduke9428]

Earls videos are infinitely more tolerable at the volume muted.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

@@boduke9428 😆

[@nofreerides7033]

One reason I never buy a new drop give it at least 6 months… but thanks to you guys that take y’all time and money to help us out…

[@DoRC]

Yeah it's definitely the early adopter tax :-) I'm sure they'll get it squared away.

[@faisalbaig5306]

Man!! Ur channel is fast becoming my Go To for rc stuff!! Thanks for taking the time to take Earl’s video further! Damn!! I was gonna order this ESC from Jenny’s!!

[@DoRC]

Yeah I think I would hold off for now. I believe they will come up with a solution that's probably just going to be a firmware update but at the moment it's probably not worth getting.

[@GreatLakesRC]

This is exactly what I have experienced in my first run of the truck. I turned the punch up to 7 and the truck wheelies and the takes off and flips over. Did it to me several times. Then off the ramp it would brake and go nose down. Makes sense that it would be in that 3/4 range since that is about how I hit my ramps some of the time. I have been holding off on making more videos until this issue gets sorted out. Lots of comments just about the ESC and not about the truck. Pretty unfortunate for Arrma to have another issue like this. I know it will get sorted out though 👍

[@DoRC]

Yeah overall I think it's pretty cool truck. I've been having a lot of fun with mine. I'm definitely interested to see what their response is to the problem.

[@Macgyver46]

Thanks for making this video. I thought these new ESCs were going to be great but it's definitely a wait and see now.

[@DoRC]

I think in the long run they will be. This is the kind of issue that can almost certainly be fixed with a firmware update so we'll just have to see how it goes.

[@Macgyver46]

@@DoRC it's definitely a wait and see for me, I have no access to a computer to upgrade software unless I can do it with android.

[@DoRC]

@Macgyver46 No there is no Android version of the software that I'm aware of.

[@Macgyver46]

@DoRC yeah its the first thing I've noticed I can't do with my tablet or phone. Makes me wonder why it hasn't been done, they basically already have the software setup for it and would probably be very popular with racers who need to replace an ESC at a big event.

[@DoRC]

@Macgyver46 probably just not that much demand for it. I think most people in the hobby have never even connected their ESC to their computer through one of those programmers.

[@idjc2621]

This was way more in-depth, and half the time as my man EM vids. I appreciate how u simplified the issue.

[@DoRC]

Well we just have different recording styles. I'm sure some people appreciate his more casual conversational approach as well :-)

[@wendellgumby]

Earl took the time to really diagnose it though

[@DoRC]

@@wendellgumby I believe my diagnosis was as thorough as his I just skipped the part where each thing was replaced one at a time until the ESC was replaced. Because of the upgrades I had done my truck only still had the stock ESC in it. Every other electronic part had been replaced so If the problem existed on my truck it had to be the ESC's fault. That being said my video isn't really designed to replace his work I just wanted to verify whether or not my ESC also had the problem and then add on the bare motor tests. I also figured having a more concise option for finding out what was going on would be helpful for some people. Thanks for watching :-)

[@idjc2621]

@@DoRC It’s not a shot…I enjoy EM’s content. I appreciate the time he spends on his vids. I like how you took the motor out, and had a closer view of the problem. U think HW set Arrma up 🤣

[@10krms54]

These is one off the reason i will like for them to offer roller versions off these one , v2 kraton, few 4s ones to

[@DoRC]

Yeah unfortunately I think the time of rollers is done. They have phased them all out.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

Explains a lot actually as the videos I've watched show a tendency for the truck to nose dive. I figured it was a matter of suspension tuning but this makes sense. Like you said though, should be an easy fix.

[@DoRC]

I think it's a combination of things. It's suspension tuning, the trucks lack of air control out of the box and this issue. I don't think that many people really come off of ramps while also coming off the throttle as that would naturally cause the nose to dive anyway but it definitely doesn't help with control when the car is doing something you're not asking it to do.

[@derekflynn5847]

I never had that issue with the one in my K6S, but just today went to take it out and when I plugged in my second battery the esc let out all its magic smoke and burnt 1 connector on the esc wire and my battery pack battery. Only the 4th run on it since new. Been running spektrum gen 1 smart batteries 5000mah 100c packs. Not real happy that it burnt the battery too. I'll see what warranty says I guess, all calls were checked before plugging in and were all at 4.19v

[@DoRC]

That sucks. Failures do happen though. Hopefully they take care of you.

[@TonytheTiger123]

Was about to pick one up imminently. Thanks for saving me a headache.

[@DoRC]

I'm sure they'll get it fixed.

[@tiguyrc1963]

Earl was right AGAIN! And your video is perfect! Thank You

[@DoRC]

Yeah this is definitely an issue. I'm curious to see how it's handled by Horizon.

[@MikeS-cv8xs]

That's a bummer. I was going to buy one. Now I'm not. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@DoRC]

Yeah definitely might be worthwhile holding off until we see what the solution is.

[@ReadySetRC]

Great information and putting out the awareness.

[@DoRC]

Thanks. Of course like I said the original credit goes to Earl Moorhead and others.

[@dgitalchaos]

Thanks for making this video. I was wondering if you were having the same issues as others. I have your driving style where I don’t let off the throttle when I jump, so I don’t think it’ll be an issue for me, but hopefully it doesn’t fully delay the Kraton EXB!

[@DoRC]

Yeah it's just not something I noticed until forcing myself to drive like that. I just rarely am coasting and you have to go from on throttle to coasting in order to feel this.

[@dgitalchaos]

@@DoRC after seeing your comparison between the EXB and Big Rock, I went with the EXB. Thanks for doing what you do!

[@L2theWcarscoffeelife]

I had the same problem the way I drive it didnt show up so initially I thought because I installed a avc receiver bound to a dx5 was the fix then he said 3/4 throttle then I found it too. Interesting you found it going throttle up I wonder if changing expo would help. I am also getting telemetry issues as well. They are sending me a new esc so stay tuned if this fixes it

[@DoRC]

I don't think anything you change is going to fix it. It might change the character of the problem but I believe the problem is inherently baked into the ESC itself. I'd also be surprised if it replacement fixes the problem. I'm guessing they're all going to have the issue and They're going to have to fix it in the ESC before it goes away.

[@L2theWcarscoffeelife]

@DoRC I wasnt even aware of the problem I always use the dxc5 and I had a 6200 reciever so I threw it in. I specifically asked Arrma if the new esc had a fix installed they just said your welcome. It should be here tomorrow and I will test it have the video posted I agree this is a major problem for the Kraton. Like you I drive all or nothing for the most part so it shouldn't be too big of a problem

[@DoRC]

@L2theWcarscoffeelife Yeah I highly doubt they actually have the problem solved yet. So right now they're probably just appeasing people. I would be very surprised if they don't delay the new EXB though until they get this resolved. But yeah if you're driving style is like yours and mine where it's all gas or all breaks You probably won't even notice the problem but it definitely still is a problem.

[@louis2179]

To add to the comments.... I'm thinking the programs rotation is backwards. The trigger has the correct setup but the ESC reads it backwards while everything else is set when powered up ad binded..if you know what im mean!!

[@DoRC]

I don't think that's true. If it was you would have lower power in forward than in reverse since reverse is usually capped at like 50% power by default.

[@RCPropaganda]

I changed my radio and used the program card that comes with the g2 combo and I do not think I had the problem anymore but I did not test on pavement and that was a problem. I felt it good in the sand and rocks I bash in but still not sure yet. I also will email Horizon and see. I tried to update the v2 smart program box with the software you download but even after updating it to the latest stuff they had on there when it is plugged into the truck it still says I need to update it.

[@DoRC]

Yeah the only stock electronic part in that truck is the ESC. I did change a few settings with the program card but I didn't seem to make any difference.

[@RCPropaganda]

@DoRC horizon wants me to send the esc to them. Not happy about that as I just got it and will be with out a esc for it.

[@DoRC]

@RCPropaganda That's a bummer. Yeah it seems kind of random whether they want people to send the ESC in or not. Honestly I would recommend holding off until you know that the problems actually been resolved. I very seriously doubt that from the first few reports a few days ago till now they've actually fixed the problem, implemented it and have updated ESC's ready to go. Most likely what you receive will have the same problem as what you sent in.

[@RCPropaganda]

@DoRC that's a great point. I will hold off because then I will have to wait or get the same problem again. Hopefully they have a update or something I can use via the computer

[@DoRC]

@RCPropaganda sounds reasonable. Of course I could be wrong and maybe they already have it fixed but I tend to doubt it.

[@bryanyoung9482]

I hope the kraton 8s blx exb rtr v2 doesn't have this issue i know its a different esc. I bought it about 2 months ago and took my time getting batteries and a charger but they came in the mail 2 weeks ago. I've just been to busy or it raining to get out and run it.

[@DoRC]

I haven't seen anybody complain about this issue. Chances are I will just be isolated to the 150

[@PeighDayRC]

Seems like a software / firmware update should fix the issue. Hopefully they get it all ironed out before the Kraton 6s EXB comes out. Would be nice to see a data log of what the ESC and motor are doing.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I could hook it up to my oscilloscope and I consider doing that for the video but to be perfectly honest I'm not sure what the output should look like so I'm not confident I'd be able to determine whether or not what I was seeing was wrong. And even if I did see that it was wrong I couldn't do anything about it anyway so I didn't bother.

[@IISG93II]

Hey man, just letting you know the K6 EXB RTR is now released in the US. Available to order on Arrma's site.

[@DoRC]

I saw that. Haven't gotten a shipment notification on mine yet though. We'll see how it goes.

[@drawingslim]

Horizon hobby said they are sending me a new esc and don't even want the original back for failure analysis. This speaks volumes to me about what Horizon Hobby knows about the esc having quality issues. I asked them what to do if the second fails in the same fashion and haven't heard back from them in 3 days....

[@gonzodetroitify]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 says it all

[@DoRC]

Yeah we'll see. I suspect your replacement ESC will have the exact same problem. I doubt that they have fixed it yet.

[@DoRC]

Yeah we'll have to see how it goes long term.

[@drawingslim]

@DoRC That's the exact concern I expressed to them, and I believe you are correct. I really hope they do the right thing and hold back the kraton 6s till its resolved. It's one thing for us experienced people to deal with but, I hate when new people have poor first experiences, as it generally drives them away from a great hobby.

[@DoRC]

@drawingslim I think they will. It doesn't make financial sense for them to send a bunch of cars out that they know have a problem. If it was just something that would be better for us I wouldn't feel so confident about it but since it would almost certainly affect their bottom line I'd be surprised if they let them go

[@aliasangelalias]

Oh, no! The brand-new batch of FELONY 6S has the two new updates: 1) S665 Waterproof Servo and 2) 150A Smart V2 Waterproof ESC 4S/6S. Do you know if the Felony 6S will suffer the same problem?

[@DoRC]

I can't be sure but I would imagine all of the new ESCs will be programmed the same so they will probably all have the same problem. That being said it'll probably get fixed too.

[@BloodhoundsAirsoft]

Have you checked the ESC settings to see if Drag Brake is factory enabled?

[@DoRC]

It's disabled by default and I verified that it's off

[@IISG93II]

Spektrum. 🤦‍♂️ They couldn't even design a bluetooth app like Traxxas Link without having to pull it from the app store. They really need to hire some better engineers.

[@DoRC]

It's actually hobby wing making these. Horizon is just telling them what to make.

[@IISG93II]

In that case, Hobbywing AND Spektrum need better engineers! I've already ordered a K6 EXB and will likely cancel if this isn't resolved prior to shipping the trucks out.

[@DoRC]

Maybe so.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

Yep, Hobbywing, one of the biggest and most popular manufacturers is the problem?! 🙄 Not to mention, this issue is not present in any of their other esc's. Most likely an issue with the Firmware and should be an easy fix.

[@DoRC]

@@jerryvolpini7987 Well hobbywing is the company actually making these ESC so if there's a problem with it it's their problem. It's unlikely that Horizon does anything but ask hobbywing to put the things in the ESCs that they want and then make sure that they got what they asked for. I seriously doubt there's anybody at Horizon coding firmware for these products.

[@JJ-lu6mg]

I watched one video that the guy was having the opposite problem. Instead of getting random braking he was getting bursts of throttle without touching without pulling the trigger. If I can find the video I will let you know.

[@DoRC]

That doesn't sound good.

[@Paul0088]

I dont have one yet, will see what they do about this first.

[@DoRC]

Yes I suspect this is not something they're just going to be able to ignore.

[@rogueFactor]

I've been saying this since I got mine but most folks wanted to take every other step first before listening and that's okay its how we learn. i just know more about software than hardware I was trying to save people time with comments that I should probably focus on finishing these video edits haha! ahem. 😕 anyway as soon as i noticed the issue swapped w/ a v5 Kraton Firma 6S. zero issues. i ripped out the receiver and stuck a vorteks OEM receiver into it. i always use a DX3 transmitter with it. before running any RTR i get those bindedededdd up. with this one i had it after the radio but before the ESC.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I hadn't even heard of the problem until today. If you're the kind of person who is all gas or all brakes like I am when bashing The issue doesn't even show. You have to go from acceleration to coasting for it to be a problem and that's something I just never do normally.

[@rogueFactor]

@@DoRC that's my short list of steps to I did a lot more troubleshooting than that but kept it to the basics

[@DoRC]

@@rogueFactor seems like a reasonable process. Mine was pretty easy because the only stock part I had left in the truck was the ESC so if I was able to replicate the problem it was pretty easy to figure out what was causing it :-)

[@Dankerkitty]

I was seriously considering the big rick 6s but i guess i have to wait until they fix it. I wonder how long the bad ones will be on the shelf for.

[@DoRC]

Probably a while. I'm hoping this will be fixed via a firmware update though.

[@TacticalJackalope]

Francis over on RC Review mentioned that Hobbywing makes the Spektrum ESC. It might be worth an email to them to see if they can offer a solution.

[@DoRC]

Yes they make all of the ESCs and motors for Horizon. That being said I doubt that they would talk to us about it since Horizon is their customer in this case not us. There's a good chance they are contractually obligated not to say anything about it to us.

[@TacticalJackalope]

Perhaps but an email doesn't cost anything. They will more than likely either A: not respond or B: refer you back to Horizon.@@DoRC

[@DoRC]

@@TacticalJackalope true.

[@cue03]

Is this just with the 150 ESC? You mentioned the new 4S trucks coming out as well but I thought those new trucks are planned to have the 120 ESC and not the 150.

[@DoRC]

That I'm not sure of. No one has used the new V2 120 amp ESC so it's impossible to know whether or not it'll have the same problem. I suspect it won't because it's different hardware but it is possible that they're running similar enough firmware that they do end up with the same issue.

[@Dankboi420]

I replaced it with a Max6 instead, they shoud offer a roller option with every higher end car

[@DoRC]

Yeah unfortunately they're getting rid of all the rollers so I'm not sure we're going to be seeing them anymore

[@jjonwards]

If this firma 150 v2 esc is to blame for this braking issue then I might have to hold off on buying the upcoming Kraton exb cause it uses this exact same esc.

[@DoRC]

It definitely is. It's the only original piece of electronics left in my truck. I suspect that they will have to fix this before they actually ship the EXB Kraton

[@Casitascrawlers]

I’m not spending my hard earned $ on something that is defective from the start regardless if I’m going to switch out the electronics you are paying full price for a defective problem! They need to just sell them as rollers I like Spectrum stuff when it works correctly but I’ve had way more issues with Spectrum products then Hobbywings & once I have an issue all the Spectrum stuff comes out & Hobbywing goes in. Spectrum better get there crap together. I’ve had stock servos go out on the first I’ve out. Stop putting junk in RTR’s or just sell it as a roller we are getting tired of all the issues.

[@DoRC]

@@Casitascrawlers Yeah the interesting thing is that hobbywing makes this hardware. The new servo in the big rock is actually pretty darn good. It's fast powerful and durable. I broke mine but that was my fault by putting a servo saver in that seized up pretty much right away. I do agree that roller options are nice. I guess Horizon wasn't making money on them though otherwise they would have kept them.

[@hyperc5249]

Did you contact Arrma/Horizon with that issue? I wonder how they are going to address this issue. The timing is not going to help considering the holidays and computer problems they have been having.

[@DoRC]

@hyperc5249 I did send them a message I have not heard back yet.

[@tripletrc5654]

In the case of this being an issue, well yes of course. But saying that Firma isnt a good esc because of this, well then you could say Castle isnt a good esc either because when they released the new XLX2 they all caught fire which is a really big deal. My point is with new electronics especially smart sometimes there is problems and it is good that yall are finding them. But i have no doubt this is a pretty easy fix.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I definitely would not say that firma ESC's are bad because of this one problem. Problems are common and as long as it's solved that's all that matters

[@bhardison1869]

Would it really be a big deal to get the k6 as a roller option through horizon, even online only? It's their most popular vehicle, problem solved short term and would have had the truck out before Christmas. Rtr for the shops, or get either option online shipped. 🎉💥

[@DoRC]

Unfortunately I don't think we're going to see rollers from Horizon anymore. They phased everything out and I doubt they'll bring them back.

[@bhardison1869]

@DoRC they did and it's unfortuante, it also can't be but so profitable for most of their escs/electronics having such a high failure rate. One would think it would save quite a bit of money going the roller route for both parties. Especially being that they could make the money with superior electronics being ordered through horizon. For $750 w tax, we shouldn't have to worry about trash/weak electronics.

[@DoRC]

@bhardison1869 I understand what you're saying however if they could make more money selling rollers they would probably be selling rollers.

[@SuperchargedJester]

I bought the programmer, and it doesn't even work with this ESC.. it just says "please update software" ugh.. This is why I end up putting castle systems in everything I own

[@DoRC]

At the moment only the little two number programmer works. You can use the screen based on you have connected to your computer as well but that's pretty inconvenient

[@850RC]

UPDATE AVAILABLE ***When you go to download the update until they fix the link, copy it instead of downloading, paste it in your address bar, and change 1 . 0 . 9 .zip to 1 . 1 . 0 .zip and you can download the update. Just updated mine and it fixed the issue.***

[@DoRC]

The link is now up to date with the 1.1.0. I tested out of mine and it seems to be fixed for me as well. Made a video :-) Thanks for the heads up!

[@kurtsrcTV]

There's a drag brake option on the esc is that actived on factory settings pr is it disabled ?

[@DoRC]

It's disabled from the factory. This is also not drag brake. If it was you wouldn't be able to feel the step under acceleration on the bare motor. It's also only noticeable when transitioning through a certain point on the throttle range.

[@kurtsrcTV]

@@DoRC that's a dam shame ! Maybe they should have stuck with rollers or atleast do what corally does by giving us an option of rtr or roller

[@DoRC]

@kurtsrcTV I agree. I guess rollers don't make the money though because if they did I'm sure they would have stuck with them.

[@frankiep2314]

Thanks for the update and stay safe

[@DoRC]

Thanks for watching!

[@ReactionRC]

Doesn't it do that because your letting off the throttle? I don't get what you guys mean. When u get off the throttle of course it slows down. Ohhhh now I see that you have the motor out!! Great video!!

[@DoRC]

To add a bit more clarification normally when you let off the throttle the ESC should completely remove power to the motor which allows the vehicle to just coast on its own to a stop. What's happening here is that the ESC appears to be momentarily applying reverse power to the motor which is essentially hitting the brakes.

[@ReactionRC]

Ahhh. Yeah it should coast not brake. I see I see. Keep the great content coming man!!

[@DoRC]

@ReactionRC Will do Thanks for watching :-)

[@jesusgonzalezmachado]

Any knoe how to do the punch settings with these esc mines only goes to 3 beeps on red

[@DoRC]

I'd recommend picking up the spectrum ESC programmer. It's not super expensive and makes programming far easier.

[@jesusgonzalezmachado]

I'll check it out

[@joseCalderon1976]

Hmmmmmm. I guess not even calibrating it solves the issue? I'm sure you have already tried that 🤔. Maybe a factory software update would be the fix? But that would require the customer to buy the Bluetooth stuff for the Firma ESCS in order to do that. And I personally wouldn't do it since those ESCS are kind of weak. Might as well get Castle or Hobbywing ESCS for that trouble. And yes, I have the BT module for my Castle ESCS, which is worth it to me. Hopefully it's not a hardware issue. It's still an issue that is not easily solvable 😢

[@DoRC]

Yes I calibrated my ESC when I put my fly sky receiver in there. I tried a few other things as well and nothing that I tried seem to work. As far as I know Earl also did a bunch of things and was not able to correct it. I think it's a problem baked into the firmware. Yes I do think that they'll be able to fix it through firmware but like you said it will require someone to have a computer and the LCD programming box to upgrade it.

[@Luke-en2tk]

Strange issue, not sure why they don't just use the standard HW hardware and software

[@DoRC]

Who knows. Got to make it fancy :-)

[@Luke-en2tk]

@@DoRC I would say it's more down to them cost saving/cutting. It should be an easy fix with a software update

[@DoRC]

Maybe. I have a hard time imagining that having custom made cases and custom firmware with special features that aren't available on the regular ESCs is cheaper than just using it off-the-shelf ESC though.

[@tuanho9363]

Did Spektrum release an update to fix the problem yet?

[@DoRC]

Yes they corrected it through a firmer update not long after this video was released updated all of the cars before they went out and everything since then has had that update. If you got one of the first batches of these you might still need to do the firmware update but the vast majority of them won't have the problem

[@captaincouldverc]

Spektrum strikes again. And ofcourse you'll need purchase more of their products in order to fix it. I don't see them giving away that many programmers.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I will be interested to see how they handle the problem. Giving away programmers would probably be the cheapest option for them. The next option I can think of would be for them to accept returns on all of these ESCs which would be a lot of expense. Each one of those programmers only cost them like 10 bucks probably.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Or take it to a shop and have them use their programmer. We did that all the time. We had a shop programmer if anyone wanted to change some settings

[@captaincouldverc]

@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe That would be a good start, but I'm sure there's many consumers who don't that option. Some folks don't live near a hobbyshop and rely solely on the internet.

[@DoRC]

Yeah but that's not really a one-size-fits-all solution. I think if they're going to create a solution it'll leave something that will work for it just about everyone. We'll see how it goes though.

[@DoRC]

Yeah they may end up giving people multiple options depending on what they have access to.

[@ruuster83]

take it easy on Earl guys! Lol , i get it but he's just trying to help.

[@DoRC]

Yeah kind of makes me wonder what people say about me on other channels :-)

[@louis2179]

There's a lot of salt on this community platform.... probably why there's so many rules on the other platforms. I come for the informative fun entertainment and ran into ppl that forgot how to not take life for granted and just enjoy it. Thanks to whomever helps me with my questions.✌️

[@DoRC]

@louis2179 I'm always happy to help if you have questions :-)

[@Schmidt3850]

Was never a fan of spectrum ESC's and motors. I always swap out to hobby Wing on my Arma trucks. One of my all time favorite system is the Arma 6s BLX system. That's what I run on my fully equipped M2C racing Teckno MT 410. The truck is nuts.

[@DoRC]

Yeah all made by hobby Wing though. I usually don't mind them but this is definitely an issue. Itll be interesting to see how they handle it.

[@tripletrc5654]

Yah firma is rebrand hobbywing that's confusing lol

[@jerryvolpini7987]

​@@DoRC Strangely though, I find the HW products to have fewer issues then Spektrum. Maybe something in the programming but I still prefer HW. Ultimately, I convert all my bashers to sensored though, night and day difference and significantly better tuning options.

[@DoRC]

@@jerryvolpini7987 Yeah I agree with that I think it's possible that the extra programming that's being put into the Spektrum hardware is more problematic. That kind of aligns with the new G2 hardware which I've also found to be randomly problematic. I'm not sure if the people at Hobbywing just aren't good at more complicated stuff or maybe there's new people there or what. It's all kind of conjecture at this point.

[@DoRC]

@@tripletrc5654 Well it's not a direct rebrand. It is made by hobby Wing and the hardware is internally similar I'm sure but it's running a different firmware so it's subject to software caused problems that the hobbywing direct ESC simply might not have.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Once I get my k6 EXB I’m gutting it anyway. My purchase decisions are based on what the chassis can do, not what the electronics can do.

[@DoRC]

I get that but if the ESC has a known problem that means you can't resell it and recoup any of that money.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

@@DoRC ehh. I have thousands and thousands in models and parts and electronics and bodies and wheels. Tubs full of parts, toolboxes full of servos and motors and ESCs. I understand the concern but I am not a one and done type of guy.

[@kaiarneberg9203]

Your motor wires are looong. You have an adapter in the middle ?

[@DoRC]

Yes. The motor that I'm running in there right now has 6.5 mm bullets and the ESC is 5 mm. I wasn't sure if I was going to be swapping that ESC out so I didn't want to solder different bullets on the motor. They are pretty long but it's all high quality stuff so it's not too much of a problem.

[@kaiarneberg9203]

​@DoRC quality doesn't matter. You're losing some amps in the bullets and the longer wires.

[@DoRC]

@kaiarneberg9203 Yes I definitely am losing a little bit of energy but it's not much. Any energy that's lost to resistance is lost as heat and the wires aren't getting warm at all. That being said this is not the permanent setup. I am pretty much constantly swapping things in and out of vehicles so sometimes my set-ups look a little janky. Basically everything is temporary though :-)

[@kaiarneberg9203]

​@@DoRCsounds good 😊

[@calebgilmore3327]

I guess the donkey kick being seen might have been the esc doing it

[@DoRC]

Yeah after experiencing it myself I suspect that is the case. You can power through it but if you're in the habit of coming off the ramp off the throttle it's going to be a problem.

[@RCenPLS]

Thanks 👌

[@DoRC]

Thanks for watching!

[@runnerbaba]

Outcast/Kraton have the 120a v2! Mojave 120a. Big Rock 6s and Kraton 6s EXB RTR have the 150a v2!

[@DoRC]

Correct though it's possible that the new V2 120 amp ESCs share a very similar firmware to the 150 amp V2 ESCs. They're probably very similar internally so it's not inconceivable that they would have the same problem.

[@dylanwhite6539]

Spektrum computer radios are great. The motors and servos are fine, but I’ve never been impressed with their escs.

[@DoRC]

Yeah they're okay but seems like the failure rate is fairly high and this isn't a great look.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Yes sir nice job , watching Earl I was guessing it was the radio and than he only changed the radio so we didn’t know for sure yet . I love the max 8 6 I know everyone says these are just re branded but the hobbywings are better it’s not debatable

[@DoRC]

He ended up changing the ESC out in his latest video. But yeah the ESC was the only thing left on my car so it has to be the culprit.

[@robertwestermeier7301]

New s6 v5 have the same esc....

[@DoRC]

Do you have a link to this? I can't seem to find any information on this ESC being in anything else yet other than the new RTR EXB

[@Casitascrawlers]

So even with this they are still going to keep putting them out with this problem I was looking in to getting one of the new Arrma models but now I’m going to wait it’s ridiculous to think I’m going to pay almost $500 of my hard earned money for something that is already defective. NOT GUNNA BUY IT ARMMA!

[@DoRC]

Well maybe. I think that the problem is still developing so they may not have fully reacted to it yet. We'll have to see what they do long-term.

[@dualtrondreamteam6811]

This is typical for Arrma!

[@DoRC]

@dualtrondreamteam6811 Maybe. This really hasn't been known for that long so I'm not sure it's fair to judge their response just yet.

[@dualtrondreamteam6811]

@@DoRC so once again they have done next to zero R+D and let the customer do it for them! But that's Arrma and how they roll

[@DoRC]

@@dualtrondreamteam6811 I suppose that's possible. It's also possible that the production samples don't behave the same as the prototypes did. I'll also say that I've been bashing for over 20 years now and I didn't notice it in at least eight packs on the truck. This was due to my driving style. I'm not trying to excuse the issue but these sorts of things are going to happen from time to time and I think it's more important how it's handled when it does happen then whether or not it happens.

[@rccarsandmusic2641]

Perfect!

[@DoRC]

We'll see what they do about it.

[@leotruuut245]

I hope that I can get my Kraton 4s 2.5 for Christmas…😂

[@DoRC]

I'll be doing the drawing soon!

[@limzhishen2449]

🎉

[@DoRC]

Thanks for watching.

[@jagergerg9771]

Good thing I don’t have that RC

[@DoRC]

I'm sure they'll get it worked out.

[@spenn2007]

It must be copycat complaint season, its interesting a host of owners bash the hell out of this truck and didn't mention anything regarding a "drag break". Contact HH and they will tell you their programmers are working on an update for the new ESC's. Your title should have read as such " My FIRMA 150 V2 Has A Major Issue". Earl is the same guy who swaps out the entire electronic system in an Xmaxx the day he gets it and then claims there's nothing wrong with the stock electronics etc, it's his "basher setup" man GTFO 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@DoRC]

There are enough people who have reported the same issue that it's clearly not just isolated for a few ESCs. I'm reporting on that issue. Thanks for watching:)

[@caspfornia]

Drag brake

[@DoRC]

Drag brake is off by default and I verified that mine is off.

[@elizabethmcheffey8699]

My outcast 8s v2 ESC went on fire after subpar performance

[@DoRC]

That's a bummer. That's the first I've heard of one of the 8S V2 ESCs having a catastrophic failure. It does happen though.

[@PeighDayRC]

Do you have pictures of it?

[@elizabethmcheffey8699]

@@PeighDayRCyes I should add they sent a new rescue and motor but by that point I’ve upgraded both and they were very responsive to my emails

[@ragercrepair9301]

Honestly I can't stand spektrum products. They fail prematurely, from batteries not taking a charge, chargers not seeing the batteries, remotes going full retard, esc issues in everything they produce. My entire spektrum experience has been so horrible, I throw it away and buy hobbywing. I don't ever have the issues with hobbywing except for my pure abuse breaking them. I feel spektrum should stop trying to make shit so smart and just make it simple and reliable period!

[@DoRC]

Yeah I agree. Even though hobbywing mates their electronics I think it would be best if they just stuck with what hobbywing makes without trying to fancy it up.

[@pafsrh4744]

WTF... cmon whats going with that shit arrma/spectrum , not good!!

[@DoRC]

Yeah definitely not the best.

[@EXTREMERC416]

Kinda sad

[@DoRC]

Yeah it seems like something someone should have noticed but I didn't notice it.

[@maszkalman3676]

Hahahahah horizon won't ge giving up those programmers for free don't be ridicolous they don't even give you any upgraded parts for free on newer models they worse in this case than traxxas they atleast give you soem new stuff on old re released models.

[@DoRC]

Maybe though in this case I think it's possible because it may very well be the cheapest solution for them. Assuming they decide this is actually a problem that needs to be fixed They really only have three options. The first one is to send people out programmers. The second one is to have people send in the ESCs and replace them and the third one is to have people send in the trucks and replace the ESCs and send them back. Sending people programmers is by far the cheapest of those options for Horizon. They wouldn't be doing it as a favorite of us they be doing it as a favorite to themselves.

[@pwd1134]

Traxxas FTW

[@DoRC]

I don't know Traxxas has their fair share of ESC problems too.

[@IISG93II]

Yeah, my Maxx V2 still keeps shutting itself off. Traxxas is more than capable of making junk, too.

[@daylightdies7194]

They are not without fault but I tend to stick with hobbywing spectrum is generally rubbish

[@DoRC]

Hobbywing makes these ESCs.

[@drawingslim]

Hobbywing makes the spektrum stuff, which is why I stay away from hobbywing as well.

[@DoRC]

@@drawingslim Yeah I used to really like hobby wing and I still do but I feel like some of their newer stuff has just had really weird problems. This is just one more in line

[@drawingslim]

@DoRC Yeah, it's been tough to say, but I used to really like hobbywing as they had good quality for value in the past. Nowadays, after all the conglomerates have taken over the industry, it's all about the $, customer service and quality are definitely secondary concerns.

[@Luke-en2tk]

​@@drawingslimyes but they are made to Spectrum's requirements