The Fastest Carbon Wheels All Use This Width | NERO Show Ep. 102

[@Sweetskis]

Another EXCITING episode of THE NERO Show! The only Cycling podcast that can SEE aero, always hooked, and proud to be 60mm DEEP!

[@discbrakefan]

Always stiff, but a good ride

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Not to mention a place where you can be proud of your package despite its shortcomings

[@Heimdallar]

@@ChrisMillerCyclingbut does it hold its speed?

[@Sweetskis]

@@ChrisMillerCycling Package Pride!

[@gregmorrison7320]

Jesse one month on from finally breaking free from rim brakes and 25mm tires is now an expert on wide rims and tires and fretting about the marginal differences between the brands 🤪

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Mate, 8 months ago he was telling me rim brakes were superior 😂

[@martyjobs]

Hey Jesse, long time bolt user here. I got a roam V2 and it’s a fair upgrade imo. If you need the modern features like solar, then you know what to do. But for a solid/interim upgrade could be the roam V2. USB type c, bigger color screen, better battery life. It’s nothing crazy, but it’s a great unit.

[@philiptarry702]

Agree, love mine

[@DaveCM]

I agree. I finally upgraded early this year also. I'm glad I did.

[@messi9991]

personally i hate how big bike computers can be, i am waiting for a bolt v3 to come out, hopefully next year.

[@adamsims6490]

My bolt V2 purchase made me unreasonably happy.

[@savagepro9060]

Recommended video title: "Wheels and Meals"

[@kreed4]

You can get the new Magene ultra black (albeit with steel bearings vs ceramic) for ~$900 USD. Only 100g heavier and half the price of the farsports.

[@markhall6026]

Would rather have steel bearings anyway

[@lawrences1347]

Farsports do the S Series which seems identical to the Evo S but steel bearings. That costs $1299 for a 1230g 50mm. Only 40g more than the $1699 Evo S.

[@macht4turbo]

Farsports compete with themselves on that front anyway, look at the c series.

[@messi9991]

@@lawrences1347 they also do the new Evo S series with steel bearings, for $200 less than with CS bearings. I would assume the weight to be between the 1'190g for the 50mm pair and 1'230g of the S series.

[@duncancycles]

What do you think about the no6 wheels? 34/28mm front, 31.5/24mm rear…. Thoughts?

[@lolbubs11111]

very weird dimensions.

[@alfonsokhiew2872]

Just rebranded Farsports.

[@UBRpank]

I don’t understand the logic behind it. If the real width of a 28mm tire is 30mm on an 24/31.5mm width rim, shouldn’t it be as fast as a true 30mm tire on the appropriate rim?

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I just had a custom wheelset built with DT-180’s, hooked, 24mm ID, 50mm deep, 24H CXRay spokes and brass nipples for $1600. 1380 grams, 125 kg weight limit. Support your local wheelbuilder. And I can get replacement spokes and hub parts from *ANY* local bike shop in the US. Including the trick DT-180 SINC ceramic bearings.

[@jameseastwood402]

I appreciate supporting your local business, but you can get that exact spec direct from China (same spokes, depth, hubs, everything) for under $1000. Although I wouldn't pay the premium for the ceramics personally.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@jameseastwood402 unless you’re implying that the Chinese are cloning DT Swiss hubs and hub part dimensions to within DT Swiss manufacturing tolerances - then other than bearings I’m not going to find acceptable replacement parts for a Chinese hub in Bentonville Arkansas two days before a race.

[@jameseastwood402]

@@petersouthernboy6327 yes actually. The DT Hubs patent expired and now they are all doing it.

[@tapuzak]

@@jameseastwood402link? Pretty sure that this not possible with DT 180 hubs…

[@jameseastwood402]

@@tapuzak maybe not. I don't know what is particularly unique about those hubs other than the bearings. It's the DT swiss ratchet system which is now widely copied after the patent expired. Point being you can spec Chinese wheels with DT swiss hubs in plenty of places.

[@igorpiasecki7909]

Jesse says that on a 28mm rim you should really run a 26 tyre, but NorCal/Jeff did the test of different tyres on 28mm rim (not the one that made it to one of the podcasts headlines here) and 28 tyres came out faster than 25s, with a conclusion that at this point it’s too narrow to keep the magic 1.05 ratio unless you are on a track or something.

[@markusseppala6547]

Yes if the 105 rule prevents you to run wide enough tire ignore it, the rolling resistance gains are pretty good. I run 28mm gp5000 on the front measuring 29 on 21 internal 28 external rim it's close enough.

[@wrwicky]

It’s a good point that you need to field test stuff to try and truly evaluate #thepackage. Things like real world rolling resistance and cornering/braking grip are tougher to measure and truly understand in an indoor/lab test. @DylanJohnsonCycling does a great job of doing the hard yards to test multiple setups and learn non-intuitive things

[@datadrivendave]

The "rule of 105" was just something that Josh Poertner of Silca noticed 20 years ago. It only applied to the wheels and tires of that time, and was never really a rule.

[@LukeGJPotter]

Surely the Coyle Ratio is calculated incorrectly. It should be outer/inner, so for the CRWs it’s 34/25 = 136% Or maybe I’ve coined the Miller Ratio.

[@discbrakefan]

Inverse Coyle Ratio (ICR)

[@LukeGJPotter]

@@discbrakefan Yes, you are correct. The Miller Ratio is (WheelsetWeight - 1200) * (WheelsetCost - FarSportsWheelCost)

[@nationsnumber1chump]

can someone throw me a car bone?!

[@JQ0110]

Farsports now has the 50mm/58mm combination as well. Take into account that many older frames only allow 30 mm rim width (eg my Aeroad from 2022). Farsports now has a good solution for those who have older frames, CRW for those with 34 mm frames.

[@laurenz323]

Never thought about that. Do they really not fit? I also have a 2022 aeroad and now run 30mm tires and there is enough space.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

the aer0111 tire will make your 60mm deep wheel feel like a 40.. no joke. Tire runs not wide though

[@RyonBeachner]

I’ve been considering the 29 mm version for my ENVE 4.5s. What do they measure inflated on your wheels and what’s your internal width?

[@ZenGarage]

@@RyonBeachner I run the 29 AERO 111 on an ENVE 65 with 21mm internal and the tyre measures 28.7. I only ride my bike at Centennial Park 3 times a week (the Nero guys would confirm crosswinds in the park almost all of the time). I can't feel an obvious difference in speed, or grip but I've found a VERY noticable difference with front end stability in crosswinds with the AERO 111.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

@@RyonBeachner 29.4 on 22.4 internal Cadex Ultra 50. They are fairly new the may expand a little more. Going to get another for Enve 6.7 but that is only 23mm internal

[@lltany]

How long before you realize the new Zipp 303 xplr sw are actually road wheels? They actually ride amazing. Had em for a month. Blown away. Had 454nsw and ses 4.5 before.

[@igorpiasecki7909]

303 XPLR SW??? The ones that have 32mm Internal?

[@rayF4rio]

What tires are you running? I was looking at those for putting some 35mm tires on them, 35's should blow out to about 40mm?

[@stephenpanasci1660]

Hows that Coros in wet weather?

[@laurenz323]

I ride these dt swiss (1400 only) with 30mm tires. No money for New wheels :(

[@alexgonzalezMI]

Weight doesn't matter that much. Maybe when you get to KG's it does, but just some grams no. I mean, do you really worry about the weight of your iPhone? That's 200 grams. Do you weigh your cycling kits to make sure they don't weigh too much? If you do you need your head examined.

[@8rk]

Yes. Only time I care about weight is doing hill TT's. Recent test on a 7.5% average hill. Run 1: 10221 grams (bike+clothes+bottles... everything) : 260watts : 28 mins 1 second Run 2: 8021 grams (left bottles, saddlebag, bottles glasses etc behind and put on 300 gram lighter wheels) : 260 watts : 27 mins 19 seconds On any other type of ride, don't care.

[@jameseastwood402]

@@alexgonzalezMI it's adds up though, also wheel weight is far more important than carried weight.

[@Andy_ATB]

@@jameseastwood402 Unless you're paid to ride/ race your bike, why worry about a bit more weight? Just enjoy your ride.......

[@jameseastwood402]

@@Andy_ATB the same can be said for aero or any other performance improvement. People like this stuff (me included), the same as people like performance cars or motorbikes. Doesn't mean you have to be a pro racer.

[@greenbee001]

Weight is always a thing, as people have been influenced by all bike brands especially when a new bike is released. Common marketing terms are always: lighter, faster, stiffer. You could tell the difference if you are riding Roval Rapide vs Roval Alpinist

[@borasumer]

Exactly what I have been looking for. Thanks guys

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@jameseastwood402]

I've been so close to pressing the button on the Farsports wheels, but I'm perfectly happy with steel bearings but the 'S' series have ugly decals. You can get the Evos with steel bearings, but it's only a $200 saving. HELP!

[@JohnSmith-ck5qk]

I haven't checked but you can go to wheelsfar (which is also the same company as farsports) and try ordering a custom wheel there. They don't tend to have decals and you choose what hub you want

[@jameseastwood402]

Scratch that. Button pressed. 50mm front / 58 mm rear, steel bearings.

[@8rk]

You could've gotten the better looking ones, use up the ceramic bearings and when they inevitably become crunchy, get them replaced with NTN steels.

[@jameseastwood402]

@@8rk sure but they're expensive to start with

[@markusseppala6547]

Perfect. Now we just need the same conversation for gravel wheels and tires.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks for the comment. We will try to do that.

[@risesir]

Please stop with the 105% assumption on tire aerodynamics. Dylan Johnson would be a good guest for digging into why that’s a very dated approach.

[@RyonBeachner]

Yeah, Josh Poertner who coined the rule of 105 has gone back and said it’s not proven to be true.

[@abcxyz6880]

for him it dosnt matter because he puts on a 47/50mm tire on a 35mm rim than it dosent matter but a 28 or a 30 on a 30mm rime makes a (big) difference

[@neemmachine]

The 105% rule is based on NACA aerodynamic understandings which in ideal circumstances results in the air maintaining connection to the wheel tire system better. However when Dylan Johnson uses the deeper wheels without that ratio you will still see gains from the spoke length being shorter, and some of the smoothing on the trailing edge of the wheel. You will almost always see deeper wheels being faster but the ratio of wheel to tires still plays a huge roll in the aerodynamic efficiency of the system. To say the 105% rule is old understandings is to say that the wings on planes are based on old understandings. There's a reason road bike wheels have increased in width with the tires for all the biggest wheel manufacturers HED Zipp roval et al.

[@mj3298]

Must be a late (or early) show recording, JC recording in his pyjamas ;)

[@thedownunderverse]

@@RyonBeachnerinteresting. Can you link to that info? Would appreciate it as I’d love to learn more

[@AMGJason]

Rim discussion without any mention of post purchase considerations such as warranty period offered, local distributor support and readily available spare parts for repair and service. If you are a budget weight weanie, then you are purely focused on lowest weight at cheapest price for a disposable CF wheel direct to customer/online purchase model. Or You are willing to pay more for the parts availability, after sales service, additional resources allocated to R&D, and longer warranty offered from more established brands. It would of been beneficial if you had a local wheel builder to add their input to this discussion. To discuss internal/external rim widths and value for money hub choices etc. Missed opportunity to add value to a discussion heavily focused purely on specs.

[@8rk]

I've had about 30 bikes and 20 or so wheelsets. Never had to deal with warranty issues. I'm not saying it's not important. But just saying people put too much weight into 1 year vs 3 year vs 5 year warranty, especially in modern disc brake rims.

[@jameseastwood402]

@@AMGJason each to their own, but I'm not paying an extra $1000 dollars for those things.

[@AMGJason]

@8rk I purchased a new bike 2 months ago, had to make a warranty claim for defective brakes. Took three trips to my local bike shop to diagnose, repair and eventually replace (two weeks downtime). So call me more overly cautious, from my recent personal experience. When it comes to parts on a bike which may compromise my personal safety.

[@jameseastwood402]

@@AMGJason That's fine, it's up to every individual to decide if that additional piece of mind is worth a lot of money.

[@jameseastwood402]

I'm lost as to how the Coyle ratio actually matters for crosswinds? Is that a thing that I've missed?

[@sanj-m]

From what I heard, certain wheel tests claimed some were better in crosswinds, so they used the Coyle ratios of those to infer how other wheels might do in crosswinds.

[@rexringschott]

The suggestion is that the wheels that test well in cross winds happen to have a ratio 75% or less. Using that ratio as a yardstick then to evaluate other wheels is based on the assumption that if they are

[@jameseastwood402]

@@rexringschott oh. I assumed it was based on *something* because that assumption didn't then check out when they looked at wheels that perform well in crosswinds 🤣

[@cpt.slackbladder3187]

1100g wheels...with out braking surface...this is weighing bikes without pedals bullshit

[@8rk]

lol

[@johnterry5409]

59:46 Chris, you shouldn’t be cycling with one chain, that’s not gonna be good for chain efficiency

[@maximilienschneider5879]

Remco lives in Calpe, Spain. First to be away from Belgium pressure. But Calpe is perfect to ride the bike. Tarmac is smooth, weather is perfect all year round. The cars are really respectful. There is tons of steady 10-20min climbs with nice 5% gradient. It’s just the perfect place to ride your bike.

[@PatrickLino]

Here are some real world weight of wheels I've used. My 2025 Farsports wheels with steel spokes still come in lighter than some of my carbon spoke wheels. Not to mention wider too. Easily some of my favorite wheels. No6 45/50 (45/50mm) - 1272g Elite Drive 45mm - 1288g Craft Racing CS (50/60mm) - 1301g Hyper 3 D45 (46/54mm) - 1360g FarSports EVOc6 (58mm/58mm) - 1364g Steel Spokes Magene Exar DB508 (50mm/58mm) - 1366g SuperTeam EVO II (50/50mm) - 1387g

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Cheers for the info Patrick. Really interesting.

[@eabe60094]

I’ve got a set of 45mm/50mm “hyper” wheels from wheelsfar. Carbon spokes, 25 internal, 30 external weighing 1202g with rim tape. 1000 USD delivered.

[@joelbaker6498]

What’s your pick out of those wheels Patrick?

[@Eirikkinserdal]

If you would have compared the 50mm instead of 58mm they would have been even closer to the NO6 🤔

[@PatrickLino]

@@joelbaker6498 For the depth to weight ratio (among other positives) those Craft Racing are tough to beat. Jeese runs the deeper version of those wheels on his race bike.

[@8rk]

I'd say HED was the brand that spearheaded the giant internal widths. Zipp and Enve came after.

[@eddysobieralski8075]

Jesse is so far lost down the tyre sizes purely for aero-optimisation rabbit hole that we need to send him a flashlight and new GPS head unit to navigate his way out… 🤣

[@mariovr8416]

My 10 year old Roubaix sl4 Ultegra weighs 7.5kg without pedals. For 18k I would want to be at 6.6kg or no deal.

[@GCPerformance18]

Jessie attack his fucking package

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Leave my package out of this … it’s small, but effective

[@HoldenDoesBikeStuff]

Alright! Back to talking about Chris' amazing package. The boys know the content we all come here for!

[@thecritdad]

I'm 22min in and they act like big companies are making worse parts on purpose? Is no one going to realize the lighter something gets the more fragile it is? The big brands have a responsibility to sell wheels that won't crack under a million different conditions. Same goes for Dura Ace/SRAM etc. Can they make lighter parts? - 100%. Will they last? probably not.

[@cjohnson3836]

See your mistake is using that thing called common sense.

[@kallewirsch7915]

Why no comparison to the Winspace top of the line model?

[@dylanl9532]

I'm so surprised that Pogachar is giving away so much data during the Petter Attia interview. Power number, heart rate number, and VAM, and lactate.

[@Chiller11]

My issues with all Chinese manufacturing are tolerances and repeatable quality. It’s not that the Chinese are incapable of excellent craftsmanship but the industrial environment makes manufacturing short cuts much easier to slip in.

[@michaelroe6007]

A great performance by NERO crew today. I'm 100% behind Jesse and the performance of lightweight premium Chinese wheelset builds. Reduced mass is important as it is rotational mass and improves climbing and acceleration. I bought a wheelset from Light Bicycle for a gravel bike. XC924 with additional rim mass for bike packing mass and gravel roads. Internal width 24mm, depth is 28mm high, CX Sapiem spokes, DT Swiss 240 hubs. Total mass 1,192grams. USD $1325. They have hybrid hook design which gives me assurance for safe tyre attachment. Why pay more for branded wheelsets?

[@mustridefaster]

You guys danced around the final conclusion on wheels. Basically there isn't a perfect set by current standards. They all seem to have at least one deficiency or substandard feature. It is a relatively straightforward checklist when you boil it down: External Width 34mm or higher (30mm to 32mm tire width seems to be the sweetspot for Aero and Rolling resistance) Internal Width 25mm or higher Rim Depth 50mm or deeper Hooked Rims (as the market matures the demand for hookless is nonexistent) Carbon Spokes Ceramic Bearings Under 1300 grams Around $1500 to $2000 USD ***Some actual test data on aerodynamics and crosswind stability*** Bonus feature would be solid rim bed to eliminate tubeless tape and no-clog valves included Been waiting for something to hit the market that meets this spec and there isn't anything... yet.

[@notkaty]

dream wheel set right there

[@therealsegal1859]

Getting close to what is marketed as a gravel wheel. Elite Drive G45 CS seems closer to 'ideal' than most of the road wheels.

[@CyclespeedTours]

Extralite 340C are 40mm deep hooked wheels and weigh 990g......

[@nathandawson46]

Love the podcast. But felt like the last 30 minutes was essentially a paid advertisment. Coros Dura must be loving Chris, free beta testing and a free 30 minutes sell of their product. Maybe for the next time, try limit the talking of the product to 10 - 15 mins, it just felt like an ad read for the last third of show

[@blakegillmer]

was interested to hear Jesse not mention that the new Farsports wheels come with CeramicSpeed bearings. In a lot of the brands and wheel around similar price and even some double the price don't do that IMO.

[@BrennanMoore]

Feeling pretty good about my recent lightbicycle Falcon Pro 50 order - DT240 EXP hubs - 25mm internal width, 32mm external width, and a maximum width of 34.5mm - about 1350g weight - $1,460 inc tax & shipping Will see how they ride when they land!

[@The_Normalised_Cyclist]

You guys forget that Remco’s like 20 years old. No wonder some things are ad hoc or seems careless. He seems down to earth and professional but still is a bit of a kiddo. Second thing is, probably he is such a talent that that kind of training sometimes is just enough. We less gifted have to have the talent to OCD over every aspect to perform. On the the MD dude interview with Tadej. I thought this was just a story about his rise to the ranks. The video’s title is the meteoric rise of Tadej Pogacar. So I was like yeah boring (KZbin was strongly recommending it to me for past couple of days). Then I played it, and was what the hell it is like the worst kind of douche bro pseudo science voice narrator just talking. Wanted to skip to the answers of Tadej but was really hard, the dude was simply talking constantly 😂 Lost it after 5min and killed the video. I always give people a chance to “sell me something” but this dude is such a pain to listen to. What a waste of time and resources 😂 Just my opinion tho, fans of the dude don’t loose it pls

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

Gotta talk some Jay Vine action next week.. absolutely crushed it

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Don’t have to ask me twice, let’s do it

[@rickmancini772]

Light Bicycle new Turbo series wheels - 34.5mm rim width, 25mm internal width

[@DanRoch]

Light bicycle WR45 hooked 32 ext 25 int > 30mm gp5000 = 32mm Bought these in 2021, they were well ahead of the curve. Yeah they are heavier but again this was 2021

[@ajc_7]

Thanks very much for answering my question. That's helpful info 🙏👌👍

[@nochancecw]

Do a 30mm on the back and keep the 28mm front like they said. Aero on the back wheel is way less. Look at the new sl8, they used the less aero but more comfy back end of an aethos, and kept the front aero. This builds a case of aero is less important on the back of the bike than better compliance.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks for the original question! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@unboundvelo]

We have just spent 18months testing internal external width carbon wheels specifically around cornering grip and stability whilst keeping Aero gains as high as possible. Went way down the rabbit hole and decided to design our own wheels - Ethos being wheels that are very fast but have increased handling ability and less "front wheel wash out" increased "tip in ability" our findings were that if we didnt go crazy wide internally but kept external width we greatly increased tip in ability. Thus for a majority of riders are a very fast but safer wheel set. (75% Coyle measurement :-) Not taking away a faster aero wheel will have a wider internal width how ever you will go down hill and say around heffron park - hell of a lot faster with increased tip in ability and enter and exit speed! We then also concentrated on making a wheel seet we call GRAD Gravel, Road ADventure - Hardened Military grade carbon spoke and rim with ceramic bearings that weigh 1170gr and 69% Coyle measurment :-) ..... love to lend you a set to ride!

[@suhdud4646]

This may be controversial but I have been testing two wheelsets lately from a Chinese manufacturer which have exact same rims but the where they differ is the spokes and bearings. One being Steel CX Ray spokes with steel bearing and the other with carbon 5mm spokes and ceramic bearings. After back to back testing, I think Ceramic bearings in a wheel hub is neither here nor there compared the good quality steel bearings. There was no difference in getting either wheelset up to speed and maintaining. I think that Ceramic bearings in places where there isn't a massive diameter needing to move around the bearing then Ceramic I image would be more beneficial ie jockey wheels but for a wheelset in my experience once you have your system weight up to speed, the level of resistance between the two bearings is negligible. If you say that there is a difference, sure that's your experience but if your pedal efficiently isn't pro level, the "gains" between steel and Ceramic as small as they are will desolve.

[@Savaios]

21-23 Narrow is perfect for 28-32 Tyres. 25 Is For 32/35 minimum imo to safe use. If you put 32Tyre on 25 rim there is a chance that you will run on part of sidewall instead of bead. The outer rim ratio to effective tyre width is important and should me 100-110% range. If you look at Roval in shop there is huge gap behind bead and rim hook, you can put a pencil there easy. They put 26 tyre on this 35 rim and its look strange but maybe aerodynamic.

[@matthews24]

Thanks Jesse and Chris for another great show... I enjoyed the trip down the China wheelset rabbit hole... I am about to buy my first disc brake bike and was almost ready to get the new Canyon Aeroad CFR... Now I am leaning toward the full China build from Panda Podium (with Shimano Di2 groupset) and use the savings to pay for this year's ski holiday... I will likely copy most of your build (CRW CS5060 wheels might be better for me in the Netherlands or now the FARSPORTS 2025 EVOs5/6?) ... Anything that you would change, if my goal is to get best performance in Dutch crit races?

[@ClownPatroI]

Great analysis Jessie. The COYLE RATIO!! Free R&D to help those lazy mainstream brands out 😉 Glad to see I wasn’t the only one to fall down the rabbit hole this week after seriously considering the new Farsports. The other interesting brand is the Parcours, which have released a white paper on their website which discusses their internal and external width ratio to optimise for a 28mm conti. From memory their internal is 22.5 and external 32 which comes in around 0.7 on the Coyle ratio. Cheers lads

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks for that comment and the useful information.👍🏼

[@TnFruit]

What about the Newmen Streem Vonoa?

[@ronfeldman4386]

WheelsFar and FarSports are the same company, except WheelsFar can make hand built custom wheels with a variety of carbon rims, hubs and spokes. GC performance went through WheelsFar for set of carbon wheels in the past. Joe at China cycling/Panda podium knows Mae the owner of the company. I had WheelsFar custom build me a 45mm depth carbon wheel set with 30mm external and 21mm internal with DT Swiss 240exp hubs and Sapim CX Ray spokes. I talk to Swiss Side in Switzerland and these wheels spec out perfectly for the Continental Aero 111 in 29mm for the front and Continental GP 5000 S TR in a 30mm for the rear. If you understand Aerodynamics, You will know who Swiss Side is. Every wheel manufacturer will say whatever they need to say to get people to believe their wheels are better then their competitors.

[@greenbee001]

I think usually people buying new wheelsets would consider the following: 1) budget 2) tyre size running those wheels 3) hook/hookless 4) weight 5) aero, crosswind stability result Items 1-4 are measurable, while item 5 is usually hard to quantify or available.

[@SuperbikeRob]

I'm with Chris as far as naming power meters/HR monitors/Radar/SRAM stuff, i have multiples of all of it and i have to know it's working before i leave the house! I bought a Duro also because i use their running watch (battery life on that is incredible also!!!).....i really want that lap screen for efforts and my firmware doesn't show it, when was it released? Mine says up to date and is version 3.0608.0

[@BMD8]

I think one very important aspect of wheels that gets ignored by a lot of these discussions is the ride feel and confidence they give you when bombing down a descent. I own a set of enve 7.8s and a set of bora 50s (not wto) and the boras brake and corner waaaay better than the enves, even if they are 2-4 watts slower on average. so i generally ride the boras a lot more, even though they are objectively slower and definitely less stable on crosswinds. lateral stiffness and reliability is a big plus for me as a 85kg rider

[@jameswillett118]

Hookless is a problem for me, I’m looking for a new wheelset however hookless is not an option.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I seriously hope those pyjamas have a low drag coefficient

[@trentcorney4519]

Chris, you’re not weird for naming your sensors. I do that all the time.

[@NeonGrayEdits]

Also, is there any chance you could raise the audio level settings for Spotify? I always have to max volume to hear vs. other shows

[@swites]

With "Wheelsfar" u can basically choose various western hubs - dt swiss, extralite etc, or their own cheaper in house ones laced to a farsports rim. Usually with steel spokes with a slightly higher weight for a cheaper price. Can get rim brake rims, tubular, disc etc so quite customisable.

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

That 6.6kg S5 is sick

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

I agree. Maybe I am a bit jealous!

[@guitarsmasher41]

Weight weenie build on the S5! - lighter wheels - darimo seatpost - bare carbon saddle - carbon ti rotors - carbon ti chainrings - lighter cranks - drillium Does it still hold the speed? Does it improve your package????

[@aerodynamics4cyclists]

Keep in mind that crosswind stability is due to the centre of pressure location relative to the steerer tube. Larger distance away = larger torque = more unstable. While how well the tyre transitions to the rim plays a role in this, rim depth and profile are also very important.

[@peterstockwell7512]

I have a COROS running watch I think it is the best one I have had. I like the APP, has good data like HRV, & most other stuff that the ‘others’ have. I also run it in parallel to my cycle computer so I have a total health physical picture of myself. I am a runner 2nd to cycling, but at 65 I need an overall health fitness data & the COROS watch is working for me. Thanks Peter

[@tonykonvalin9959]

One thing I can say about Coros - be a a user of their watch - is they are always working on updating to make things better and the updates tend to cover all models that can handle the updates as long as the processor and/or storage is enough. Bottom line is they are always working on improving and while I don't think they should have released the Dura till maybe this last update they will get there quickly.

[@AdelaandJude]

Maybe Remco does these videos so casually to psyche out competitors. Ha Ha ... It's like "look how easy it is for me to train and win BACK TO BACK WORLD ITT's! & Stick with you guys in my first TdF".... Total Mind Game....

[@mipko]

Perhaps one question from someone who doesn't know any better. I am noticing that Rovals, Visions and DT Swiss are all narrower internal width, but are also hooked at least DT's and Rovals are. Perhaps the hook is adding 1mm from each side? And therefore when you have hookless rims they would measure more?

[@matkrek]

Or why these brands are sticking narrower. Maybe they perform better and going super wide isnt always the answer

[@Chazz4804]

The hooks on the rovals are really interesting, really long hooks on the front so that the front and rear have the same internal width even though the external widths are different

[@discbrakefan]

Generally the internal measurement is taken below the hook, so the hook is not included

[@vanwinkelhoff320]

Naming your sensors is completely normal. Its a sensory experience.......how can it not be?!

[@lizhengzhang]

"doesn't that annoy you?" Jessi is all out trying to trigger Chris.

[@swites]

Haha, don't worry Aussies love that kind of banter.

[@charlesgraham-dixon2637]

Hi Jesse and Chris. Regarding the Hunt topic. The updated wheelset of the guy who messaged is the Hunt Carbon Disc 50, not the Sub-50 you mentioned. This updated version is 22mm internal and 30mm external and costs around £700 for the set. What tyre width do you recommend for this? Thanks

[@lorenzfrass9499]

Y‘all heard about the official revision of the Cyling RPE scale? Previous models employed a scale of 1-10 or 10-20, but newest developments in sports science revealed that the actual question you need to answer is: Between 1 and Jesse at Centennial park, how hard did you go?

[@chiefrocker12]

Recently acquired the No.6 wheel 45/50 and the front wheel yields almost 82%, while external width 34.4 & int.28 , which with a 28 tire (GP5000) gives overall front tire widest point at 35mm. Without getting into wind tunnel perf and based on pure ride feel , its been noticeably smoother in flats, avg speed seems tad faster, and mostly noticed in the turns extra grip....seems this front wheel is an anomaly . Curious to know if any others have tried this wheel out and have noticed the difference i am seeing. This is compared to a LB AR35, which are comparable in weight , but ratio smaller in the 75% (21mm inter / 28mm ext).

[@georgehagstrom4022]

Loved the video as usual. But shouldn't there be some kind of trade off with wheel weight? A wheel that is lighter has less material, so shouldn't it be weaker and less durable, potentially more dangerous? Maybe that means instead of 1 out of every 100 or 1000 wheels have a failure it is 1 out of every 50 or 20 or something, I don't know, but I can't believe without seeing a lot of evidence that there isn't some downside to the lighter wheels. When something seems too good to be true (1/2 the price and lighter) we should be skeptical.

[@SimonGoesSideways]

re Andrew Feather.........it's not a custom bike, it's a monocoque carbon frame from SWI, who are new(ish) to the market. If I remember rightly, the frameset is £10k !!!!

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Oh, that's the split screen. I thought it was that big useless area permanently taking up 1/3 of the surface area. Glad we cleared that up

[@iancarson8614]

watt are we saving from a less than ideal setup to a perfect setup? 10 watts at 25mph? meanwhile proper training vs less than ideal training gains lots more time spent at that 25mph! there's nothing hurts more than getting dropped with great wheels 😂

[@jamesmorton9064]

Just a questions for Jesse ... does the < 75% Coyle Ratio apply to Gravel wheelsets as well? I understand gravel is not your favourite talking point, but would be good to know your thoughts!

[@Gianniz27]

Actually the HUNT Sub50 wheelset is 1800 euros (with steel bearing), and 2200 euros with ceramic bearing, not 2700 euros. And with a 30mm front tyre it's actually one the fastest wheelset on the market, going up from 28mm has no aero penalty with it.

[@JoelWaters23]

I name my sensors. It's not weird. It's helped me a number of times. Multiple bikes, multiple sensors. If for whatever reason you're having trouble connecting, you know which one to sort out.

[@chrisrouisse1690]

Jesse we appreciate you, we also appreciate you Chris

[@guidonvanonder]

He has a property in Calpe, and he has a altitude chamber + hyperbaric chamber :) He goes cycling there because of the soft climate and amazing roads, also the spanish drivers are easy going and don't try to kill cyclists like in his home country.

[@HawkEurope]

I'm running 32 mm Conti GP5000 S TR on my DT Swiss ARC 1100 wheels. Yes, the tire does balloon a little bit and it's probably not as fast as 26 or 28 mm wide tires. Yet I believe the few watts lost on aerodynamics are easily gained on long rides by the improved comfort. Dylan's test with his deep road wheel, far narrower than his fat gravel/mtb tires, showed that the 105% rule is maybe the optimum (so 26 mm tire on a 28 mm external width) but wider tires aren't that bad at all.

[@Chris-iv2ud]

18/18 spokes lacing on disc wheel? Nah, i'll get the 21/24 for 1:2 lacing pattern, there is more than enough incidents reported on those super lightweight deep rim in Chinese forum. One of the reason being with 18 spoke lacing pattern, your wheel suffers way more imbalance loads when any of the spoke has insufficient/over tension.

[@krbndlls]

You are talking about tire width, but where it matters is in the front. Keep 105% or as close at possible in front and go wider on the rear. The airflow there is unpredictable mess anyway. I have 29 front and 31 rear (measured) on my 29 external rims and pretty happy about it. The benefits of wider tires outweights aero losses.

[@benhardwick1970]

I must say that with the DT a Swiss wheels you should run 28mm tyres. I have the ARC 1100 wheels with the 20 internal and 27 external width. I brought a KTM world tour bike from the 2022 season raced by Eliot Leitear (was his spare bike) and it came with the DT Swiss wheels and they came with 28mm GP 5000 tubeless and they run perfectly flush! I’m pretty sure B&B hotel team wouldn’t spec the bike with those wheels if they were slowing him down. I put a 30mm on the back now and it lightbulbs a bit but that’s ok. But 28mm tyres run flush

[@messi9991]

I am pretty sure the wheels you were looking at on wheelsfar are not the same ones you were talking about on farsports. I am sure they are the same as some of farsports, but not the new ones you picked out.

[@randomname8442]

Also Ascent Polaris 42mm. 23/32.5 so 0.71 on the Coyle Scale. 1300g. US$1675

[@sdsdsd8193]

Went down a rabbit hole there & got lost, % ratios?!? Where the evidence to back that? the Farsports rim width will suit tyres pretty much as good as the other wheels. Almost no difference.

[@therealkayj]

Chris selling the coros with the garmin glasses on like Jessy doesn’t already use wahoo

[@JayLato]

And everyone crapped on Hunt 48 Limitless when they started the whole 35 external “22.5” internal. They were the first so love or hate they need some credit.

[@raymatos4329]

The coros sensor is very interesting. I have a garmin and it is WAY too much information. Give me something simple. If they can get it right I’m interested.

[@westvanman1]

Why are wheels under 30mm external? maybe so that they have a market for people with older frames that can't handle larger tire diameters. There are a lot of people who want to upgrade their wheels but have frames that limit them to 28mm tires (or there about)

[@marcf1859]

What brands are people going for rim brake wheelsets? all these new nice wheelsets are disc only and us rim brake Master racers who won't let go are being left behind in regards youtube content.

[@niekversteege]

Regarding the wide tires on the Bora wheels: I think that no longer really applies when the rim is that shallow right? Same for gravel where it is kind of a waste to use very high rim profiles to a certain point , if you're putting on a massive knobbly tire.

[@dtrg65]

dark hair guy is annoying. its not that serious. relax.

[@jimbob-nz24]

Love my Garmin with all the features. Especially the different profiles which is now a must have. A lot of Pfaff to get it how you want at the start but then just awesome.

[@lovenottheworld5723]

In my opinion heavier wheels stick to the road better. They don't decelerate as quickly either.

[@jamesrowe4861]

In our family of 2, we have 11 different sets of Carbon wheels all big name brands bar 1. I have recently purchased a set of Mike Reddings Creative Classics in 50mm depth for my gravel bike and will never go back to purchasing heavier and twice the price name brand wheels. I can’t rate them more highly. Chris your time is approaching, you need to try dare I say it a light, wide, cost effective Chinese wheelset. 😉

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks for sharing!