New iPadOS Has a Sick Calculator App!

In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the new features coming to iPadOS including the new calculator app!
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[@BarelyAverageDude]

The calculator was not worth a decade wait, but it is amazing to have.

[@2COLD118]

There has always been a calculator app while using spotlight, seems not a lot of people are aware or familiar with it

[@mikebalentine]

@@2COLD118it’s pretty powerful too, even does currency exchange

[@wiryantirta]

if they had a super normal calculator a decade ago but then released this scientific/scratch math calculator now we'd still be impressed tbh

[@porafriken]

no calculator app would be tbf

[@mikew2062]

@@2COLD118 Thank you for that tidbit! Smacks my head for never knowin this!

[@mrbiaux991]

Back in the day Microsoft Encarta had an integrated Math feature (Equation-graphing) even more

[@euchrisssssssss]

Working badly like most Microsoft stuff

[@kamikazi5144]

@@euchrisssssssss ooo shots fired

[@MrSamPhoenix]

And I’m sure it wasn’t nearly as intuitive as what Apple showed.

[@samuelmotlhake]

And your point is?

[@DANNNNNNNO]

Microsoft Math Solver for the iPad: *exists for years* Apple: *announces Math Notes* Marques: I have never seen anything like this before Microsoft Math Solver for the iPad: Am I a joke to you?

[@akyhne]

Microsoft Math Solver entered the chat, at least 5 years ago.

[@Lee.S321]

Yeah, there are god only knows how many calculator apps that can do this & a lot more, that have existed for years. But, this is KZbin land where nothing exists until Apple does it. I've seen so many comments correcting KZbinrs when they say the new iiPad pro is the first device to have a tandem OLED display...

[@kookesstuff]

Never heard of it soo...🤷‍♂️

[@krypt2k25]

Bro just compare them closely although there are lots of math solvers out there and I have been using them for years but the implementation of Apple is just far better and not just a normal utilitarian app like the older stuff by microsoft and this is coming from a guy who uses all OS. windows android mainly

[@BryGuyXCV]

MyScript Calculator: I was there when it was written!

[@michaelchen2718]

On the topic of Apple's new Math Notes: the only use case that would compel me to use this is if it can auto translate LaTeX.

[@aljomanu]

Tydlig used to do most of this 10 years earlier on the ipad too. It would be a great if you made a comparison video to see how much of these new features are really ai driven innovation

[@tytownsend8219]

Even tho I'm an Android user, i watched WWDC and really loved the Math notes app on the calculator.

[@ie_kp]

I'm totally using math notes for my second college physics course later this year

[@fredbloggs1472]

Well thanks , Marquez. Siri says "I'm sorry, I can't do that". "Who is speaking? Who is speaking please"

[@tdrg_]

“This is the FBI, we have a warrant for your arrest”

[@CampWeed]

11:20 as an iPad Air + kneeboard case user, please make them thicker. All those internal pressure point ripples on the display can get a little distracting

[@ikpegasibrj]

The people who are asking, what is the use of M4 chip in the iPad Pro, here is the answer “ calculator“app

[@novadon4729]

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[@thedudeabides1]

😂

[@Christianmingle420]

It’s available on any iPad with an A14 chip and above

[@Rinnara21]

My iPad 10th gen runs it perfectly fine so no need for the M4 chip 😊

[@SaburAliKhan.333]

DAVID!!! 'g' doesn't change its always 9.81 m/s²!!! (Unless you're solving extraterrestrial equations 😅)

[@michaelchen2718]

1:35 the sarcastic clapping

[@michaelroberts5191]

There are already notes apps that will do hand written math but they are pretty bad at discerning operations. Hopefully Apple's is better at that

[@rafipalmero9983]

Will this be needing internet connection or offline?

[@lifewithoutborders1348]

NPU Chip

[@yvesvandenbroek6055]

I used spotlight as the calculator on iPad ...

[@HarrisonLuiEKYiss]

True. I do use it. Not a lot of people know this exists, fractions and those involving square/cube numbers also work (5^2, 4^3) too 😊

[@Christianmingle420]

Just found out the new calculator app can do a LOT of conversions, like any conversion you may need. It's crazy how functional the calculator app is now.

[@casualtechreviewer1196]

You get these conversions functions on Xiaomi phones for a long time

[@Player-pj9kt]

Is there an Android alternative? I have the samsung tab s7 FE for college notes and I would like something like that for my physics classes

[@michaelchen2718]

5:17 exactly

[@JinNani224]

It doesn’t work if you have variables or use any type of letter in your equation

[@cadenchurchill4296]

Not gonna lie, I am also quite excited for the upgrades the macOS calculator’s getting. Found the interface quite lacking compared to Windows so very happy to see they’re improving it.

[@JMulvy]

Gone are the days where people can argue over basic order of operations posts online. The crazy thing is that even if the Math Notes gets the answer wrong... people are going to regard that answer like it is the bible. They will not even entertain the possibility that it could be flawed software.

[@boyeradeboyejo2467]

Good stuff, Can the calculator do iterations? Thank You.

[@_mball_]

LOL Nope! no calculus at all that I've tried!

[@justahugenerd1278]

You know it's bad when the feature people are looking forward to the most on the new iPadOS update is a freaking calculator app!

[@k.vn.k]

One of the.

[@k.vn.k]

Fixed.

[@tdrg_]

But this is a calculator app on steroids. And it’s definitely not the highlight

[@josh8845]

I think people are looking forward to the AI more

[@fancystickman5911]

Average Apple hater

[@MobileDecay]

Apple has a calculator! So innovative! 😂😂😂

[@troystevens1976]

When I think of how complex the first computers were, it’s ironic that my generation needs help with pointing and tapping.

[@turtlemop8712]

Can we get this tech in a DnD app please? The vibe of pen and paper with the convenience of auto calculations for my dumbass would be amazing.

[@Cyril-Lima]

Guys, the iPad already has a calculator through spotlight

[@bigsur370]

Yeah but not everyone knows that lol

[@bigsur370]

Thats also the same for iphone and mac

[@oh-noe]

@@bigsur370 everybody who wants a calc should know because spotlight will often make it a lot easier than to go into a separate app all the time

[@WaitWhat99]

You know what Apple needs to come up with.. a dedicated budgeting/finance app that works over all apple products. Customise to be as basic or complicated as you want. Ability to collaborate with others in your family. Heck, throw AI features in there. There are other apps, but they’re not great, only work with 1-2 devices, only work with android, look garbage/clunky etc etc APPLE PLEASE MAKE ONE. Notes is too basic and time consuming.

[@PaulMcElligott]

I’m taking credit for this. Of course, Apple would put a calculator in iPadOS right after I broke down and bought PCalc.

[@peat381low8]

I never used Calculator on iPhone or Mac. I always used Numbers or Excel for calculating. You can calculate formulas, algebra, do functions and everything on excel or Numbers. I don’t get why people don’t use that.

[@davidthomas5562]

I give a very large face palm to those that don’t realize the very first Mac in 1984 came with a calculator and a graphic calculator for decades! The idea of promoting “touch first” which is the intent of the iPad should be obvious. In my opinion, if they had placed the same idea of calculator into the iPad (of which anyone could have compiled and installed from example code from Apple if they so desired), it would have lessened or even removed the impetus behind the pursuit to introduce what they finally did.

[@jfftck]

Texas Instruments graphing calculaters in the 90s had equation solver, and that had a very weak processor. So, Apple recreated old graphing calculators and that is what they needed to figure out to release an app? The excuse given still doesn't hold up as a real reason for it to take so long for a calculator app. The truth is that they didn't see a need for one.

[@porter.anderson11]

My Siri is a traitor😐

[@ron-manke]

There’s NO excuse to not have a calculator on any computer! Apple has forced all of their customers to put up with stupid ads just to do basic calculation on an iPad. That’s a crime to humanity. Saying they needed to amp it up is just a stupid excuse. They now have AI, and found a cool feature they wanted on the iPad, and someone said “Hey guys, I think we forgot that we don’t actually have a calculator to put these features on the iPad.” Steve jobs got tired of rolling around in his grave for the stupid decisions Apple has been making…

[@chinna2426]

Not sure why people go crazy for anything apple release. It is just a calculator app. I think this app can make use of the m4 chip 😂😊

[@reddevilian]

Marques triggered my Siri with his last comment ! 😮

[@michaelchen2718]

11:45 yeah

[@MohdJ__]

I would re-learn maths just to use the new calculator app

[@ladillalegos]

Honestly how many people are gonna use that?

[@_mball_]

Me: 3^2 + 4^2 = x^2 x = ___ iPad: Yes I can solve this. x = 3 .... OK, iPad. I don't know where the interpretation went wrong, but not a good sign! It's too bad I can't upload a pic.

[@codewithgeeky]

Really? 😂😂 Bro just had a huge discovery that wireless charging can't work through metal

[@mzamonster2008]

Does the new ipad (basic) get this math notes update?

[@thecapone45]

Me: *gets a girlfriend* Marques: “So, I’ve been trying out your girlfriend for the last three months. And let’s just say… I have some thoughts.”

[@melgross]

By the way, one mathematician on KZbin did do calculus in math notes.

[@morbly]

But is there a history function?

[@PSy84]

yes. It was showed in WWDC

[@laurent617]

every person on the planet who needs a calculator has one, it was worth making something genuinely special. When apple do these things it pushes the other companies to follow suit pushing the whole industry forward. I am confused why being able to customise you Home Screen is seen as so negative considering other devices can already do this... so why is it a negative when apple do it ?? strange

[@j0hnny483]

RE: the missing calculator for the last 10 years. I doubt there are many people who have an iPad but not an iPhone. Anytime I've needed a calculator, I've reached for my phone. With this new calculator, I'll still reach for my phone unless I'm trying to solve a more complex problem. Long way to say, I've felt impacted by not having a simple calculator on the iPad.

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

Algebraic calculator can work as a iPad exclusive as well as other complex features

[@rockyraki]

Waiting for snapdragon x elite laptops review. Or is it not that big of a tech news if Apple is not involved 😀

[@PSy84]

most views are on Apple. So vloggers spend more on videos about Apple. If you see vlogs about others...they will put title Macbook Killer, iPad Killer, iPhone Killer😂😂😂😂 so it can have a chance for clicks.

[@2MANYWWWWWWWWWWWWS4U]

As sick as my Ti?

[@drfyzziks1]

Pffft. Ti... HP-48GX or GTFO 🤣

[@michaelchen2718]

10:33 lollllll

[@MrSamPhoenix]

Impressive stuff

[@GSmith-in1cx]

Why not actually show the app? People are looking for actual information about this, not just here to watch you guys talk

[@lasarith2]

4:31 9.80665 meters per second , get it right people 😉😉

[@romari2706]

PCalc has been available forever on iPhone and iPad. It is the reason Apple hasn’t done a calculator.

[@michaelchen2718]

3:00 Also, this math notes will be USELESS on iphone because Apple Pencil is NOT SUPPORTED on iPhone.

[@PSy84]

typing works too

[@Yourboy876]

They said A14 and older so A12 ipad pros not getting the calculator app wtf

[@ivyward1409]

Wrong, gettin it

[@garyjsimm]

Why doesn’t it do calculus?

[@dmazingi]

There have been apps that do this for years let's not pretend Apple waited "to make something great". They waited till they could acquire a company that makes a good one and integrate it into iOS while replicating the best parts of everyone else's apps. Fair enough that still results in a good app but it's not apple innovation, it's keeping something to say for a keynote in the future

[@DogsandPennies]

After years 😭😂

[@JeffPDX]

Steve Jobs had a strange directive to not put a calculator on the iPad. They have been honoring that, who knows why.

[@bokbokeh]

I used myscript before this

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

Great, now make the iPad useful beyond media streaming and drawing. The $1,000+ ‘Pro’ device that can’t run full-featured Mac Professional programs. Worthless.

[@bencaires1]

Too bad the coolest thing about the new iPad is the calculator app…

[@michaelchen2718]

6:15 absolutely did not deserve the ten year wait. What a joke.

[@djaesy]

damn bruh doesnt understand wireless charging in a tech show reeeeeee

[@neodidi]

Honestly, it's so bad that this is a topic to talk about in 2024. And is it just me or did anyone else try something like this on their android phones some 12 years ago. I can't recall the name of the calculator app, but it had same feature. Not as smooth obviously cause of the time and hardware then, but it did exactly the same thing and it was on an android phone, not tablet. So let's all just take a chill pill and stop unnecessarily hyping Apple. This is why they feel they can charge anything.

[@akyhne]

Microsoft has has Math Solver for Android and IOS since at least 2019. In many ways, it's smarter and can tell you step by step how to solve an equation. Both apps just use simple OXR scanning, which has been around for many decades. So, this could even have been done several decades ago.

[@neodidi]

@@akyhne yeah.. You're right.. I guess cause the marketing was done by Apple and cause of the unnecessary hype people have for them, they make having a calculator app into something else.. Hehe. Well, I don't blame them, I applaud Apple as they do marketing more than anything else.. Other than what they did with the M-series chip for commercial use cases, marketing is the next big skill or quality they have. Why they always get people..

[@akyhne]

@@neodidi Apple did the clever thing to add a paint app to their calculator. But the drawing of the girl playing table tennis on the Apple demo, brings nothing to the calculation. It's nothing but a gimmick. But that's not how people think.

[@neodidi]

@@akyhne yeah.. Offcourse there will be gimmicks.. It's part of Apple's strategy of marketing.. Gets people talking and talking and eventually give some people the idea that they might actually need that. And those few people who would use it no matter how inconvenient would tweet or make a video and hence.. More marketing. I actually do admire their marketing skill.. I try to learn a thing or two.. But yeah, other than their macbooks, I don't see anything else as innovating or ground breaking.

[@michaelchen2718]

2:18 good craig impression

[@ofofononoiwa9397]

Everything happened in the tech world and here we are talking about a calculator app sad day for content creators

[@aaronkaw4857]

I think this is a bad feature prone to undetectable parsing errors.

[@PaulMcElligott]

Based on what?

[@aaronkaw4857]

@@PaulMcElligott I guess just e.g. incorrectly parsing a number resulting in incorrect results that a user does not double-check. The system would have to present back to the user what it parsed, and unless the user is suspicious/thoroughly checks what the system parsed, errors can go undetected.

[@akyhne]

Guys... have you ever heard about OCR?! It's ancient technology. Apple jyst uses basic OCR to capture, what's written on the screen. This could have been done in the 80s ffs! And both Microsoft abd another company has had an app for Android, that could do thus for years, as well as OneNote in Windows could. It's not rocket science! Not even clise!

[@akyhne]

5:15 Exactly! And that's why it's of no use for 99% of all people. You need to be able to make the equations. For everyone else, they are better off, just using a simple calculator. And for the 1%, many would still just use a calculator, cause that's how they learned in university how to do the calculations (or in a spreadsheet). It's a gimmick!

[@KeenMixer]

Onenote has had some of these handwritten math features for a couple of years now.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

But that required to give the answer too, and only was able to find the variable as result, it was way more limited, and you must know the exact answer too, instead of getting the answer.

[@Omar-kl3xp]

That’s not the same thing tho

[@akyhne]

I've never tried the OneNote feature, but Microsoft has had an app for Android and (I think it's called IOS), that can do the same, basically. It's free and is called Microsoft Math Solver.

[@aussiegruber86]

I bloody hope my M1 air iPad better get the calculator, I have sold my MacBook, my iPhone and about to sell my iPad for a Samsung tablet. Apples ecosystem is a piece of junk

[@aussiegruber86]

FYI OneNote does math notes

[@oh-noe]

just sell your iPad lol. A calc won't save it for you, if you don't own anything else apple and you don't like their ecosystem why are you using it

[@flextube1000]

Just ask AI on giving me answer 😊

[@pritpalsinghnaroo300]

Have a look at the one note math function😂

[@rank1frombottom]

Fk me i bought a calculator app last year zzz

[@frenchpressfinance]

Wait, it doesn't do calculus? Well what's the point then? 😉🤣

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

It probably can’t do elementary algebra still…

[@kristinchong629]

Saint internet. The conglomerating. Also like can we get the book club I know I’m so old but like it really being like just in general like there’s life desk job and it really being like 2 -3 levels of private govt admin and like the closet job to that is journalism or like academics and it having it’s own problems but like guys what else is there. Guys I had know I idea what to look for until I went to the library and saw Chris millers chip war and it’s basically the foundation for tech hardware age and I didn’t even know what to call it. And I have an iPhone. And yeah there’s like bio chemistry human startups and like society doesn’t even take pregnancy as like actually labor. Like huh. Please don’t AZ dao tm screen gladwell me. Is it just aspen Panda Express. But have at it. Also can we get the Tristan walker jay z tech sky scraper collab?

[@danielroselinsky1875]

The new calculator app is cool, but useless. Is this a hot take?

[@djplonghead5403]

Apple basically made your handwriting a font. Once you think of it that way it doesn’t seem very special.

[@tdot321action4]

When apple updates or adds so called new features it actually says a lot about the culture/zeitgeist. People are like silly liberal adolescents. So happy about superficial bs. While Samsung and others are really innovating. People are under serious mind control. Facepalm

[@bruxi78230]

Samsung innovating more than Apple. Gotta give you a big no on that one, Apple spent 29 billion on R&D last year and grows by 10% per year. Samsung spent 8 billion on their R&D for devices. There is no world where Samsung or any Android company is close to Apple in innovation. They can't afford to compete.

[@akyhne]

​@@bruxi78230Apple doesn't have any competition. Samsung has. So, obviously, Apple should do better, as they are the only one on their market.

[@oh-noe]

Innovating? Like that time they introduced samsung ai and one of their features was just google lens?

[@bruxi78230]

@@oh-noe ------ I accept that you totally misunderstood what Apple is doing in AI. Perhaps you didn't have a chance to watch the Apple presentation, it's very different than the rest of the industry. What's the difference: 1. The majority of commands for new Siri are running locally on Apple's own SoCs using Apple's own LLMs. iPhone users will get very fast responses as it doesn't require an internet connection. 2. Those commands that can't be processed on the iPhone will go to Apple's own private cloud. That also runs on Apple silicon which is far more efficient in energy use compared to Nvidia servers. 3. Apple's data centers run 100% on renewable energy (mostly solar and wind), so they have the advantage of not having to pay for expensive servers and outrageous over priced energy from electric utilities. 4. Should the first two layers of AI not answer the user question it will go to the Apple partnership with Open AI with GPT 4. Users will have to approve this step. Samsung on the other hand didn't do the work on their AI solution, they just rebranded Google's effort. Apple did something way more intelligent and Apple iPhones, iPads, and Macs will take advantage of it. See, that's real innovation as opposed to just a partnership by a company (Samsung) that didn't do their own work.

[@jzwadlo]

still really dont care cos when am i trying to write variable math on my ipad - like, it's neat. But i will never ever use it and I bet under 1% of the people calling it neat will use it a second time after they've messed with it

[@otshidilemmui3269]

Here first

[@Spiritworshipersenvoy]

im the third here

[@daledevernon56]

Android users rolling on the floor laughing.

[@disco.lemonade]

Yes, Android had it since 1975. IT's a SHIT version of it, but hey you had it.

[@NihilityRogue]

I don't even use the calculator on my iPhone. I always use spotlight instead. So I never actually missed it, but math notes. That's really cool.

[@tiokiwa]

It’s dope for budgeting. I write my budgets and plan trips in notes then hop over google sheets.

[@celiavytrac]

If it could do table operations like an excel spreadsheet, that'd be awesome.

[@michaelchen2718]

Let me preface this by saying that I had backed Apple's delay of the calculator all these years based on the justification math in gen AI just simply was not yet possible until now. But The calculator will damage students' learning. Not only does it not show them how it arrived at that answer, but it is literally worse than Wolfram, less capable than Wolfram, it just visually has a neat gimmick with the handwriting. But it literally cannot perform any calculation beyond elementary math that any decently intelligent student already can do. Useless. Utterly useless

[@MeTalkPrettyOneDay]

I used an ipad for notes from junipr year of high school all through college (engineering). I am so jealous of these features.

[@ReR7474]

I remembered using the T-something calculator in the 90’s that cost $100+ and 20 years later an iPad has that capability for $1000 plus. Wow, just wow!

[@celiavytrac]

lol, the ti-nspire CX CAS II

[@rsac43]

Those are scientific calculators, you cant handwrite in them

[@moosel]

Paying for an android tablet that do regular calculator… wow… just wow…. See the flaw in your logic?

[@mariinito985]

Wow, I didn’t know your T-something calculator in the 90’s that cost $100+ can browse the web, call someone, edit photos and videos, play games and soooo much more if you’re comparing it to a tablet. You’re sooo smart with that apt comparison. Congratulations

[@oevers]

@@celiavytracThis thing is a few years old

[@JoeKnowsWorst]

you don't actually need MagSafe for the standby mode on the iPhone, it still comes up if you have the phone charging and on its side, even if it's just with the regular iPhone charging cable, so they shouldn't need that on the iPad either!

[@sacgeekgirl]

So Math Notes, wasn't that an episode of Big Bang Theory? Anyone else?

[@kamikazi5144]

why does your name start with sac? is that like a nutsac type of thing or what

[@mikebalentine]

That was take a picture and could not update live.

[@TheIgnoramus]

The blackberry smart pad from the early 2000’s could do something similar.

[@disco.lemonade]

Sure, man, similar as similar was to type on a keyboard of a phone

[@Lee.S321]

@@disco.lemonade This new calculator app is still pretty basic compared to other apps that have been on the market for years. But, they're not shiny, so they don't get the attention.

[@TheIgnoramus]

@@disco.lemonade ooookay. Feel better now? Jesus.

[@MichaelMarquez-m3b]

Can you write a second order polynomial and have it apply the quadratic equation for the roots?

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

It probably can’t do even simple algebra, sadly. Wait for iOS 19 for algebraic calculator

[@SatnamSingh1992]

FYI - ONE NOTE APP DO THIS ALREADY 😂

[@Adventurepil0t]

Looks like a good review, what is sick about it?

[@briang6652]

There was old research that hand writing is beneficial way to take notes comparing to typing b/c character by character would have a function call to the brain by connecting memory of words, so would work like confirmation of the notes into the brain.

[@lince4824]

Sick Hook, Mr. Crook, Eye Candy for children

[@BorrietheBlade]

Bro just lit everyone's phones with the Siri command 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AndrewPL5]

who's everyone?? Mine only activates with my voice not other people's :)

[@CHF_Cars]

meanwhile i'm sticking with my button phone and windows xp computer without any plans on upgrading

[@arithenoobbb]

Too late, the people who were waiting a damn decade are nearly in college now.

[@MohsenSultan-s7l]

They did not make something new you are the ones who don't understand any thing and be like omg this is so unique no one did this before but if you even took a couple of minutes searching about the thing you'll find out that this is so old you could draw equations in MyScript Calculator, Algeo, Graphing Calculator even the Microsoft onenote has a feature like this but instead of thinking for a little bit you go stupidly saying "this is really sick I've never seen anything like this before" and you just go providing misinformation