NEW Kramer Pacer Classic - A Tribute to 80's Hair Metal!

[@mariodriessen9740]

Lee's reasoning behind not liking FR style vibrato systems after a bad experience when you started to play guitar, is exactly the same as my experience with vintage style vibrato systems. I wouldn't want anything else than a Floyd Rose or something very similar.

[@nikolaus2688]

For me it's the other way round. My first electric had a Floyd Rose, but these days, I much prefer the vintage style Fender ones, or a Bigsby. For my more subtle use of trem, FR is just too much of a hassle to set up, and lacks mishap reistance. Though objectively the better system, I just can't get excited about it.

[@fasteddievh2072]

I totally agree. You nailed it! Especially once you gig with a Floyd Rose. Every other musician in the band has to pause to retune between songs. The lead singer doesn’t ever have to check on me before he starts the song because I’m always in tune and ready to go.

[@mariodriessen9740]

@@nikolaus2688 : It depends on how you set it up. It can be a hassle indeed, but I set them in such a manner that I can only bend down. So I do compromise on most of my guitars in that way. Although I also used to play a couple of strats with FR style bridges and have them set up floating. Never had a problem with it. Once you set it up it’ll never go out of tune. And when I put on new strings I change them one by one and stretch them before I lock everything again.

[@davidyoung8875]

vintage style vibrato systems SUCK!! bigtime. Floyd Rose is the only way to go.

[@krafgeetar4013]

Yeah traditional vibratos suck for me mostly, I’ll always go for either a Floyd or Kahler.

[@ak47dragunov]

Love when Pete reminds us that he can shred like an absolute beast if the mood strikes him

[@xferme]

The dude can do anything. Legend

[@danlamarsky1537]

@Mark Seymour 10 seconds in he shreds better than you

[@PedroYippeekayaye]

I bought one of these and it arrived. I gotta say it's a good guitar. Alot of value for money. It's up my alley because I only play blues stuff occasionally, most of the time I'm playing heavy rock so this is cool. I played some Hendrix on it earlier because I was in a good mood and it sounds great (clean). I admire you guys' comradery. I know you like Vintage Strats but you can bust out the shred when you feel like it.

[@jeffkay1977]

Cheap or not, everyone who has no real experience with a Floyd Rose always trash em'. Every Floyd Rose I've ever owned from the original to the cheap manufacture stamped ones have always been the most rock solid stable tuned guitars. If you're going down the Floyd Rose road then commit to learning how they work. They are truly amazing once you understand them. You are spending so much time learning guitar, learn how to use a Floyd as well. Even the crazy cheap Amazon ones that cost like $25 can be set up well.

[@FullMataCorrida]

Fantastic colors!

[@danielpooleoriginal]

Just ordered this today from Andertons for just £190. Band new but at an epic deal. £140 off the original price, an absolutely amazing deal. I'm still in shock over the price.

[@PaulCooksStuff]

If purple Pete was picking pentatonics, how many pentatonics per picosecond did purple Pete pick? 🤔

[@10WDirty]

Plenty

[@jonhornbeck4324]

A Plethora of Pentatonics is what Purple Pete Picked.

[@jimmyjames7946]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alessandrorossini8704]

Why both gentlemen go on saying that those guitars have 21 frets when they clearly have 22? Lee started the thing at 2:05 and Pete followed at 10:00...🤔 Except that, I enjoyed the video as usual 👍🏼 Ciao! 🤗🎸

[@FranMjolnir]

They look great. Rabea should have been also in this video.

[@Chudhole]

I’ve been thinking I could use a Lee break. In this instance he clearly doesn’t get how cool pacers are/were.

[@richierich8334]

Why? he's crap at guitar

[@kingstumble]

Pete on seeing a new batch of guitars arrive: "Is there a purple one?"

[@Strato13]

For the money, looks, and sound, it's a great priced guitar. They seem to be regularly sold out at Sweetwater Music, as it took a while of regularly checking in on it before I got one! I do have some decent "premium" guitars including a aGibson LP, MD my beloved USA 2009 Stratocaster, and this thing is a fun little guitar. Plus I've always wanted a Kramer since I missed out when I was a kid. I do love the little toggle, too lol. Great review. BTW, Gibson owns Kramer!

[@Icepacalapse]

Perfect for someone who has the skills to polish this gem. Many have a shim in the neck which requires a sky high tremolo setting. Took out the shim and it was lots better. I went further and installed a .5 degree wooden shim which brought the tremolo down further to where you can "deck" it. Neck a little sharp but I really got it because the pickups are further apart than a 24 fret guitar which means I can run a sustainiac at higher levels before feedback between pickup and transducer occurs.

[@sonicaids]

not a fan of the white pickups with white pickup rings but those metallic finishes are great.

[@krumple4skin548]

Direct mount them

[@staszewaM]

@@krumple4skin548 Or buy some different pickup rings for a few quid?

[@SnuggleBear1970]

I want a KRAMER!

[@williamdon3442]

I always wondered that too. What Pete was talking about it being squeezed. I thought it looked like a tear drop

[@69spiros]

Ritchie Sambora approved!!!!!

[@stilllifewithguitar184]

They sound great, wish they had the banana headstock although I get they're going for the 82 look.

[@ryanteacher8134]

The problem you described with the bar doesn't sound like it was related to the quality of the Floyd, but rather the woodwork in the cavity. When I bought my Schecter Nick J strat, it had the problem you just described (like 3 levels of downward pitch). The problem was the bridge hitting the wood on the inside of the cavity. I removed the bridge and just sanded down the cavity a little bit and it was perfect. Nothing to do with the bridge hardware.

[@gabedom_]

6:38 - 6:44

[@jonhornbeck4324]

Reminds me of my mid 80's Kramer Focus 2000.

[@theariesexperiment4642]

I've heard that the Korean factory that builds tons of import models for huge brand names have raised their operating costs quite a bit and has got those brands sourcing the Chinese companies. If anyone can verify please do. These would be a great modding platform.

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

Kramer had those aluminium necks with tuning fork shaped headstocks

[@Alfredo78666]

Kreimaaaa! It feels flaaaata!

[@johnjgibson6807]

And That’s How it’s Broke In 👍👍🎶🎶🎸

[@sc0or]

1:15 that was remarkable. That's all we have to know about the machine on this model

[@michaelmetal71]

it’s nice that Kramer offers this model left handed and in 3 different colors they need to add at least 2 more models in lefty like a Barretta and the night V,i might have bought this one if it came out sooner but i all ready got the schecter nick johnston hss because of the last video Andertons did

[@theariesexperiment4642]

I'm assuming the early Pacers on Reverb are about to go up considerably now.

[@SomeKindOfMadman]

Pete’s a legend

[@TH-ql8gg]

Wow, a very honest review from the captain. Not recommended then....

[@redcomn]

Kinda wish i have one of those esp made early kramer

[@TheMTGHero]

Would love to see a noise gate shoot out!

[@kiltedarcher574]

What's the fender blackface amp behind Pete? 🤔

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

Andertons should offer a proper set up of this guitar. I am not suggesting a free one but I would imagine many, many buyers would gladly pay for one. No one wants to get a guitar only to be without for often weeks waiting to get it back from a tech.

[@PaulCooksStuff]

They do, though it's buried in the website smallprint and kinda by exception and you have to contact them before you order. There's a "free" setup check, presumably to manufacturers spec. There's a paid "custom setup" presumably if you want personalised action heights etc. It would be simpler to just offer two checkboxes on the web order form.

[@moorecreativ]

It’s good to see these color options after those awful finishes they released last year. Really dig the white pickups too

[@joek81981]

The shape dates back to the famous legal battle. Legend has that Mr. Kramer saw a lawsuit from Fender coming down the pipeline, and pre-emptively sued himself over the trademark "Strat" shape. They made a movie about it in like 1979. Dustin Hoffman as Gary Kramer, Meryl Streep as Leo Fender. Kinda slow. Not that much guitar talk in it, really. Kramer vs Kramer, check it out!

[@jakeyoung1066]

Well done sir.

[@JesseLeeKing]

Aww a pic of lil Dani P

[@Witcher58]

I'm wondering how much these models weight, since the original Pacers were pretty heavy

[@thatonedudefromyouknowwhere]

It's an alder body and I have seen some reviews that say these are fairly light.

[@spaceavenger54]

My pacer vintage ,which has a maple body is a super heavy beast,lol

[@joffle86]

Gibson could make Kramer awesome like Fender has revived Charvel. Don’t know why they don’t!?

[@stilllifewithguitar184]

If you play this level of Kramer (not the cheapos) against the similarly priced Charvels, they're definitely in the same ballpark quality wise.

[@MrMatthiasSchneider]

I have one of the new NightSwans - apparently they're hit and miss in terms of quality control, but mine is killer.

[@workingorder2189]

I think you met Henry Vaccaro at Denny's: owner of Kramer in the 80s.

[@waylong25]

I bought one of the Radio Blue ones 3 whole days after these new colors released, and I've had to replace pretty much everything other than the pickups and the fretwork was junk. Lol

[@orcaflotta7867]

How do I know these were made by Cortech?

[@contactusece7769]

Shape looks great why copy strat 💯 so it’s different love it

[@mikeg.9238]

Glad to see you guys are doing some more metal shredding intro's!🤘The big guns for guitars back in the 80's were Kramer , Charvel , Ibanez and Jackson....

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

This is one of the most low key "don't buy this" kinda expos I've seen you do, Andertons. I recently bought one of these, a lefthanded one in red, and while it is NOT of the quality of my 2000 Ibanez RG550, It's actually a good guitar. It plays well, sounds nice, has pretty stable tuning and actually the Floyd on it is better than that on my Jackson JS32 Rhoads. (which has the stiffest fine tuners I've played in some 36 years of playing) In short, I like it, it's a half decent guitar (got mine new for £280), and I think people could do a LOT worse for the money.

[@TauRiOneill]

22 frets, not 21.

[@emmanuelleroy2915]

Man I like the guy with the lavender guitar attitude…. The one with the blue guitar was shooting it down from the gate to the end….Damn….. I already got a Les Paul but I wanted a guitar with a Floyd Rose but heard a lot of bad reviews with some of the Brand name guitars with Floyd Rose system….. I wanted a Fender but hearing they got sued for over pricing and I didn’t want to shell out so much money for some made in Indonesia BS with crappy Pickups and Specs and to pay over a grand and only get a gig bag is disrespectful in my opinion…. So I’m going with Kramer because it’s ran by Gibson so I trust their products more than other brands out there…… I’m jut going to swap pick ups with Seymour Duncan’s Alinco 8’s and Floyd Rose original with Grover Locks….

[@voltrexstriker2618]

Y they don't email back

[@SnuggleBear1970]

80s REVIVAL

[@theariesexperiment4642]

If they'd went full sparkle with huge metalflakes like Gretsch,....I'd probably bought all 3.

[@jeffadams2789]

You mates sokks

[@davidyoung8875]

The Floyd Rose is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT GUITAR INNOVATION EVER!!!

[@ericwarrington6650]

Hair band child to the core and man do I take alot of shit for it... 😂...u really did have to be there....lol

[@brucehayes7251]

And yet,for all the shit you ( and a lot of us) will receive,there can't be much argument that it was all good fun music, regardless of whether the particular bands were attempting to be serious or seriously taking the piss,the music was good( for the most part) and they all really had to have talent. A little forgotten or possibly overlooked today.

[@raysouza6535]

Back in the 80s I had an Emerald Green Kramer Pacer that I nicknamed my "Fly's Ass Green" guitar, the nickname stuck and to this day my friends still refer to it as my Fly's Ass Green guitar, it was my first serious guitar and I played that thing into the ground...I had a lot of fun with it, if Kramer ever releases one in Fly's Ass Green I'll buy it just for the nostalgia :-P

[@donkarnage6032]

Sounds like whomever setup the guitars at the factory simply weren't doing a proper job stretching the strings because that's all that Lee/Pete were doing when wiggling the bar up and down. It doesn't necessarily need some special setup. Just someone who knows how to string a Floyd Rose which on these guitars that don't have floating tremolos is super easy to do. I've had cheap and expensive Floyd Roses'. As long as you stretch the strings correctly it stays in tune just fine.

[@brianwagoner8899]

I would love to see a Captain Meets Henning Pauly. No idea why that occured to me while watching this video, but who else feels the same?

[@desvonbladet]

Captain Anderton of Anderton's meets noted Thomann associate Henning Pauly? Somehow I don't think it's all that likely

[@xferme]

Good in you Lee for not recommending it to the complete novice. Classy as always.

[@toneleudy]

Shape reminds me a bit like my joe satch guitar

[@jacobbaranowski]

Where is Rob Charmin 😕?

[@itzibitzi7611]

No coil split? Would have been a nice tonal option there.....

[@dirtydanthesecretsauceman8519]

You get a guitar with a full Floyd rose system for $339. Maybe be a little more thankful that you get what you do for the price

[@itzibitzi7611]

@@dirtydanthesecretsauceman8519 just asking, because I've got a Harley Benton CST24 in Emerald Green with coil split for 240€ ;-) Tremolo works well and stable, but afforded some work to do so, overall a very nice "entry level" guitar.

[@spaceavenger54]

Can anyone tell me the difference or feel I would notice going from a pacer vintage to this? The vintage has a 14 radius fingerboard not 12 like these. I'm not a huge fan of those Floyd Rose specials,after a few months,or sooner,you have to block them because the edges or posts wear and they just don't return to zero any longer,not to mention the softer alloy strips easier and has worse tone in my opinion. But a better floyd is gonna drive the price up further. Also, someone on here said they aren't floating,that's not entirely true,they aren't recessed but mine still floats enough to do the Brad gillis type thing.

[@asnark7115]

You can probably get better metal replacement saddles and leave the rest of it alone?

[@kylezakk]

Most people just replace the saddles. The FR special has a solid steel baseplate like an original Floyd. I'd also recommend getting a OFR nut because its more solid than a FR special nut.

[@enthused7591]

If a manufacturer can't afford at least a Floyd 1000 series, they shouldn't be equipping a guitar with a Floyd at all. The generic nameless pickups can be looked past, but a Floyd is only a good idea if it works correctly, and only the 1000 and up work as advertised. I'd rather pay $550 for the same guitar with a Floyd 1000 as opposed to getting a $399 guitar with an inoperable locking trem. It's a shame because the Pacer's always been a great looking guitar, especially with metallic paint - and to not have to shell out $900+ for a full Pacer vintage/limited with Seymour Duncans is a great idea, but they went too cheap with that awful Floyd special/licensed in my opinion.

[@tatojames6204]

🐥

[@phenixreturns]

Conclusion : a good guitar for the price lolll

[@andreferraz8110]

If you close your eyes, you can hear Tom Hanks with a british accent.

[@matt6288joyce]

I rarely hate guitars but this is one of them…

[@Musicology1975]

Purple is sexy🎸💃🍷💜

[@Mark_Ocain]

Reasonable value for money here...they seem to sound pretty good. You can't expect custom shop quality for this kind of money but yeah these are quite respectable. I'm not a Floyd Rose fan, too fiddly for me but for someone who is a devotee, these do the job well.

[@dtaboso]

It is made china or indonesia?

[@richiebohr5421]

Could never do that body shape. Nostalgic yes, me own one? No!

[@stephenwallace2423]

22 frets, surely?

[@JohnSmith-vb9ul]

No offense...But where's Rob when you need him?

[@richjones54]

listening to Lee talk just put me off buying one :(

[@xai1971]

All the 80s guys have big belly's now. That's what the offset is for.

[@jasondeli]

I appreciate the videos, but they are becoming stale with just Lee and Pete. I give it to Pete. he tries to change up his style, but with Lee, you know it's just the same blues progression. What happened to Rebea to break it up?

[@1972Georges]

guess more a toy then anything else...

[@soundpainter2590]

80' "Hair Metal" IS The reason ((Why)) kids started listening to Hip hop, Boy bands, ect. Go ahead... YOU listen to Poison & Warrant, ( Under House Arrest ) for 2 years !!! Without attempting suicide... Seriously !! Besides that, Love your channel & store !

[@dirtydanthesecretsauceman8519]

Man. You do not know how to comment.

[@gimmee99]

May want to go watch Rick Beato channel a bit for a history of the early 90s. The excess of hair metal led to "Grunge" where it was fashionable to be depressed and agnst ridden all the time. I'll leave it to the reader to decide which genre led to more suicides.

[@soundpainter2590]

@@gimmee99 "Beato"... HILLARIOUS ! ! I dont care if he has 12 BILLION "Subs" There is a reason for the expression, " Those who CAN, DO. Those who Can't Teach" Watch the vid's With Phil X. Dick ( The nickname for Richard) is Beyond Blown away !! & Practically speachless. Have you spent most of your life, Writing & Performing ORIGINAL Music... ( & Paid well for it ) ?? & LIVED what I mentioned, as it HAPPENED ? Just being REAL. Apparently you dont like people expressing their journey through REALITY ? It's one of many ways to LEARN. Chill.. We are in difficult times for Performing Musicians. ( & Everyone ) Hang in there...

[@dirtydanthesecretsauceman8519]

@@soundpainter2590 what the hell is your punctuation? You literally type like a 5-year-old who learned how to write from clickbait Minecraft video titles

[@soundpainter2590]

@@projectgoatse Wow... Amazingly Original.... Soo... You believe EVERYONE is in some way, A close minded POS, Because of what year they were born. (( That would include Yourself )) Yeah, That's brilliant. F N Hillarious !!

[@jmabs5096]

Wish Kramer would re-release actual 80s popular models with traditional colors... Also not a fan of the rounded edges looks like a overweight guitar. Don't think these will sell too well That first pot is WAY to close to the bridge humbugger as Pete would say... Blah ugly guitars

[@villetopi4001]

i really get it what pete is going for with the squished bodyshape... they look a bit wonky and maybe chinese-copied strats...

[@jeffadams2789]

What the hell does any of your options matter none just like england all the Great guitar players are american.ol chump .

[@robm709]

little guy on the right is kinda annoying, they should have gotten someone who knows how to play hard rock & they said 2 times its got 21 frets, when it has 22