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[@stefannitz5596]

Why not make belts in the foundry? It's incredibly fast

[@crumble1400]

not to mention productivity

[@benjitheengi4447]

And delicious delicious productivity

[@wurst1284]

Also juicy, moist productivity

[@HoraceBenedict]

We can't forget that succulent, beautiful productivity.

[@SateLight]

definitely for those bountiful yum yum productivity

[@Yakobo15]

Suprised you're even thinking about power on vulcanus, I setup a steam plant that "only" makes 40k/sec from the free sulphuric + a little calcite and it powers almost 700 turbines!

[@Unusual_Danger]

True. Power is free but space is not. Hence why he went for fusion

[@CarlSaganRul3z]

He can triple tap huge demolishers with his railgun, has lava fill and cliff explosions. Space is no longer an issue for him either lol.

[@alexanderjanke1538]

​@@CarlSaganRul3z3 shots? I remember 2 shots 😅 or at least some people wrote that you can 2 shot the big worms with weapon damage 9 or so 🤔

[@Unusual_Danger]

@@CarlSaganRul3z True true. But fusion is 𝒻𝒶𝓃𝒸𝓎

[@BleachSkyWalker]

@@alexanderjanke1538i can consistently one shot big demolishers with 9 damage and uncommon ammo,one thing i've noticed is that the one shots are a lot more consistent if you're standing very close to the demolishers head rather than farther away,maybe a placebo effect i'm not sure.

[@Liwet.]

8:43 You're limiting throughput of your lava to 1,200 per second with only one pump. You need to build a bunch of pumps side-by-side to keep throughput high (using the same number as offshore pumps you have).

[@Nilaus]

Good point. Thanks

[@Kingsleyrulz]

Everyones a critic but im loving what you're doing!

[@ToffeeSamurai]

okay kingsleyrulz I'd love to see you do better.

[@NukeMarine]

Reason to have molten iron/copper pipes on the bus and print the plates/gears/wire on site: You only have to worry about TWO PIPE LINES for iron/copper/steel items. On Nauvis, you built up TWELVE lines of copper and iron plates because your demand increased. With pipes, if your demand increases, just add more smelters at your smelting location that feeds the bus that's already set up to dispose of stone. On Vulcanus, you print the foundry items much like the reason you gave for making copper wire/iron gears on site when on Nauvis. If it's hard to track molten iron/copper usage, just create a map icon with a note for that particular foundry/factory line's molten metal use.

[@bean_plays_games7838]

uhhhh nilaus 12 chemical plants turning sulfuric acid to steam is enough for 400 turbines also known as 2.6GW of power

[@rolletroll2338]

Power is broken on Vulcanus

[@stephenmcorby]

Yeah power is free and crazy easy. With those large sulfuric acid patches (some of which are over 200,000%) even when it fully drains down you still have enough for practically unlimited power.

[@hailgod1]

@@stephenmcorby i threw in fusion just because its a fraction of the size and fusion fuel is just as free

[@Goodvvine]

@@hailgod1 I can't wait for alquilo, but I dread going to gleba

[@SoulShatterz]

The pump is kinda silly - it's saving a few segments, but also strangling throughput of lava down to the equivalent of one offshore pump :)

[@TheColburton]

1.1 brain still asuming 1 pump is enough 🙂

[@NukeMarine]

Just add a few in parallel.

[@Goodvvine]

I always add 5 in parallel. I guess you need as many pumps as offshore pumps?

[@NukeMarine]

@@Goodvvine Unless you're feeding it off earlier in the line.

[@stephenmcorby]

Gears on the bus? What has space age done to you?!?!?!?

[@reuven2010]

with stack inserters and green belts, it's not a bad idea anymore. the reason is was bad because belt throughput was weak. now it's irrelevant anyway.

[@nahblue]

Foundry says hi

[@NightlyCrane637]

Yea, and they go round’ and round’

[@badluckpoppy]

I think it's viable now because you can make gears directly from molten steel. It didn't make sense because if you need gears you also need iron plates so you'd just craft gears where you need them.

[@RyanW1019]

I’m still scared and confused by the post-city block world myself

[@k1ngjulien_]

biter eggs are forbidden croissants change my mind

[@Unbox-on1zr]

I just wanted to say I love your substation grid and am using it in my own playthrough of Space Age. I'm making much worse builds in it at the moment but they are still inside the grid and are very easy to copy around and tweak. I also just wanted to say that your Gleba builds were absolutely beautiful and have inspired me greatly to better refine my use of the grid. The last thing I wanted to say is your playthroughs are like no other and I love watching them. 👍👍

[@AQJ_DK]

@8:45 won’t the pump limit throughput of lava to 1200/s?

[@alexanderjanke1538]

Yes it will 😅

[@aiskef33]

yep but can upgrade pumps or stack them to increase throughput

[@NukeMarine]

@@aiskef33 By stack, you mean put them in parallel and not sequential, right? Right?

[@OccasusRaven]

18:12 U did not hook up those pipes right! you only fixed one pipe those other machine DONT work @Nilaus

[@stephenmcorby]

Yeah the molten iron for the green circuits after the first module is missing a pipe.

[@rlBrave]

Love your clean builds! 🤩

[@masamaeda9217]

I haven't done the math but is there any value to using productivity over speed for the plates? Lava is free so at least at the start of the production chain the productivity doesn't seem to be worth that much? Seems like a lot of wasted power, unless making more molten iron costs more power than you save

[@R.Daneel]

Also, is there any benefit to using all the advanced quality over just building huge when the economy on Volcanus is basically free?

[@Jackpkmn]

The benefits of productivity is less input constraint. When using a free resource like lava you use productivity to reduce the input (number of pumps needed) and speed to increase the output number. Productivity will be great on recipes that are heavily input constrained like purple science with rails.

[@NielsonJanne]

Your right, lava is kinda free, so saving on lava is a bit pointless. You could argue that with prod modules you need less pumps, which is also a mood point, because pumps are not really that expensive either. However, if you have a build with 8 to 12 beacons around your foundry with speed modules, putting speed modules inside the foundry yields not that much extra items per second, diminishing returns will be rather high at this point. However, as you haven't stacked productivity yet, that will be much more efficitive, basically "prod + a lot of speed" is better then "speed + more speed". So there is a point, to use prods.

[@nosnikdanych3667]

@@NielsonJanne Yes, but the productivity bonus stacks with foundry productivity, so its not that high as you say. And he doesnt have stacked beacons, only two or one. I just checked factorio lab and if he used 4 beacons for everything and rare speed modules in foundries, he would have need exactly 8 liquid-to-plate foundries, so half as much what he has now. The productivity modules makes sense for reducing throughput, even on planets with infinite resources, but the lava recipes are one of the few exceptions where speed is the only thing that matters.

[@vasianduban9995]

At some point productive modules are just better speed modules cuz they are multiplying the output while speed modules are just linear increase, plus side bonus of less input constrains

[@galisgalis70]

7:43 "skibidi"

[@ZealothXyven]

Speaking too fast may result in skibidi, please consult your doctor if symptoms persist.

[@ctr9k]

AHHHHH GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD

[@wurst1284]

Why put prods into the foundries? Lava is infinite anyway and the foundries already come with 50% so additional productivity doesn't scale as much since it's additive. It would be much more compact with more speed.

[@ahirohecai4977]

I'm wondering the same. Nilaus even said that electricity is basically free with fusion reactors. Saving on calcite isn't that important is it?

[@wurst1284]

@@ahirohecai4977 The calcite consumption is so negligible, you have to try real hard to use up a patch. Also you can grab it out of space infinitely.

He’s playing with the ratios to achieve certain rate of items per second.

[@pepperbox-ic3oo]

speed is also additive. if u already have speed bacons, using prod modules in the machine gives u higher output rate because the prod bonus multiplies with speed

[@masamaeda9217]

@@pepperbox-ic3oo This is only true if you have a lot of beacons. With one or two beacons (which is the case in the build) the speed modules are still faster.

[@maxtonherst6055]

Great video! You make my factorio play much better just by watching you. Maybe double check the liquid iron in your green circuit setup. I think it only made it to the first set.

[@AwesomeNPro]

Ooh, bus builds are back!

[@qshfnx_]

*46.97 /s Nilaus: that’s 45 👍

[@tomsterbg8130]

Specifically for red science i believe it's much better to make a self-contained build, for green too. Basically any science that uses only iron and copper because you can just pipe in the lava and belt the calcium. This lets you make an insane amount of science out of just a little bit of calcium and there's no complex logistics going outside the build and taking up space and UPS.

[@aiskef33]

I'm still surprised to see laying down solar panels for power when steam turbines are basically free and unlimited power, a lot less space usage too especially when rare or higher

[@TrevorSmithy]

belts from foundry? i think yes

[@Alex-xv6me]

Why use productivity modules when lava is free?

[@alexanderjanke1538]

Maybe because of the size of the lava lakes. But yeah not that important 😅 3,6k science is not that bad. Maybe to get it more asthatic looking so it fits better into his squares. The builds get way more compact when you use modules. It gets easier to handle

[@nosnikdanych3667]

@@alexanderjanke1538 productivity modules make building less compact

[@Sworn973]

1:47 Everyone reactions when finding random crap in a belt lane 🤣Pretty accurate Does it really make sense to usue productivity + speed for vulcanus? Wouldn't just raw speed be better with lower quality, more expandible

[@deredware9442]

its better to use productivity if you can and you are beaconing the build. The productivity bonus multiplies the speed you have, while speed modules would stack additively with the speed beacon.

[@Sworn973]

@@deredware9442 Yah that is the thing productivity slows it down, it save you raw resource at cost of speed, if resource is not an issue, why would one slow the build down to make "more", you end up making less a minute, then speeding it up again with speed module.... that is why I would just use raw speed and maybe efficiency for power

[@deredware9442]

@@Sworn973 Its faster even with productivity, because more speed is additive, but the productivity bonus is multiplicative with speed, you get more output with productivity in the machine and speed beacons

[@Sworn973]

@@deredware9442 Oh I see, so it still wins in quantity even if slower, thanks for the info

[@keychains2010]

How are you getting the rate calculator?

[@JasonAWilliams-IS]

mod

[@alexanderjanke1538]

I think it was under settings, mods, and then you have to search for it, pretty simple

[@keychains2010]

@@alexanderjanke1538 I figured it was a mod but which one?

[@alexanderjanke1538]

@@keychains2010 Rate calculator, like you said. Max rate calculator is basically the same thing. I don't think you can pic a "wrong" calculator. I use max rate calculator, maybe you need rate calculator for space age? Just try both or more on a save game you don't need anymore. The key bindings are different, but that should be it

[@R.Daneel]

I'm curious why solar and not steam on Volcanus. I know solar is really effective on that planet, but I figure there's a bigger reason. At my scale, I don't even come close to any issues. I could probably burn wood ;-) so I'm wondering what I need to be careful of in the future.

[@nosnikdanych3667]

UPS - solar has 0 lag, at megabase scale solar is best

[@R.Daneel]

@@nosnikdanych3667 Ah! Good answer. Nothing I ever have to worry about. Mega-base for me is having a blue belt.

[@SanderJanssenBSc]

What is this rate mod it's nice

[@catmankitty9504]

rate calculator. alt + x is the default keybind for the function

[@lukaszimmer1973]

Cant we do the Research on volcanus?

[@markl6898]

Do you ever consider doing a Megabase in a book series with 2.0?

[@nicholasvoges2219]

Loving the videos! I've finally caught up with them! How long does it take to update the blueprint book for patreons? I can't see it yet :)

[@xyreous6146]

its a shame you cant use biolabs on vulcanus

[@sanaldunya7485]

which mode is that calculate

[@Liwet.]

What mod is he using when he boxes over his foundries?

[@NeithClark]

Rate Calculator, I think

[@FaxDozer]

Will you be doing the promethium science?

[@incription]

I assume he will

[@fenix-mv1xc]

I assume eventually he will

[@wilmer4421]

why only one beacon on each of these foundries and assemblers? did i miss something? cant you stack up to 8 easily? edit: is it because of power? isnt power super easy at this part of the game, since you have a ton of steam from the sulfuric acid fiels so you can easily get a ton of power from turbines

[@Mageling55]

1 beacon got him close to a easy factor of 60/s. With diminishing returns on beacons, if 1 or 2 is good, stick with it

[@SateLight]

multiple beacons powering a machine gives a diminished return, so it's sometimes better to just stack machines instead of beacons if you mind about electricity. but yes, you're also right that at this point electricity is abundant if he uses the sulfuric acid + steam turbine setup, so you can stack up 8 beacons without ever worrying about power.

[@alexanderjanke1538]

​@@SateLightI mean he doesn't produce enough modules for this approach but besides that you are right

[@MemphisMG86]

did you updatet your blueprint book ?

[@bjrn6944]

how do you see the rates and troughput by selecting the machines?

[@alexanderjanke1538]

It's a mod. Rate calculator

[@alejandrosand]

one beacon is meta? is the most efficient way to do the job?

[@alexacevedo6941]

Depends on what are you going after, you see one beacon allows him to use the space between the foundries/assemblers to mix the inputs and outputs, doing more would require having them on the outside part, and that would mess with the grid of substation he has set up. However since he uses rare+ beacons, and rare+ modules, its pretty easy to obtain high throughput with one beacon and not many machines so, in this context, adding more its pretty much overkill

[@danielh.9010]

The transmission strength of beacons is highest when only a single beacon is affecting a machine. It starts at 150% for 1 beacon (higher with better quality, up to 250% for a legendary beacon) and the formula is 150% / sqrt(n) for n being the number of beacons. So 2 beacons is 71%, 4 beacons is 50%... So the total "buff" on the machine is: total number of modules * effect of a single module * 1.5 / sqrt(number of beacons). So 1 beacon with 2 modules gives 300% of a module's effect, 2 beacons give 424%, 4 beacons give 600%, 9 beacons give 900%... Pre 2.0 this grew linearly with the number of beacons, but now with Factorio 2.0 it only grows with the square root of the number of beacons. So 1-beacon-builds are quite powerful, and builds with a high number of beacons are less space-efficient than before (but still more powerful than builds with less beacons). See FFF-409 for details (scroll down to the table and the graph).

[@af4043]

Thanks Nilaus. Can we have your masterclass? Personally, I find that the most valuable…

[@TeroYukio]

Is that rate calculator a mod? how do I get it??

[@danielh.9010]

By clicking on mods when starting Factorio and looking for a mod named rate calculator ;-)

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

I feel like bussing everything that can be smelted from a foundry is kind of pointless since molten iron and copper travels instantly as long as you build enough pumps. My skill issue is when it inevitably balloons into a pipe spaghetti though

[@nosnikdanych3667]

You dont need pumps for it to travel instantly. With fluids 2.0 pipes only work as valve and pipeline lenghtener.

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

@nosnikdanych3667 a single pump limits throughput to 1200/s,

[@nicolasdajruch2099]

Does anyone know how to put modules in machines one at a time?

[@WuddupDok]

With modules in your cursor, hover over the building and press Z to drop one in

[@soejrd24978]

Why not use higher quality factories? (foundries, assembling machines, beacons)

[@Nilaus]

Because I don't have them in the quantity needed build big fast

[@inklink_5412]

you talking is like a LLM that was not fed enough training data and sometimes fills in the wrong words, it is quite charming

[@hailgod1]

that is so sad, "scaling" up with belts. once u throw in legendary beacons, speed and foundries, u will only need like 10% of the machines.

[@soejrd24978]

Or upgrade this and get a 1000% increase in output

[@Karcrab_mcshouty]

why not do the research on Vulcanus ?

[@flora_76]

it is too hot, it gets unconfortable

[@camiam144]

Biolabs are too good to give up.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Biolabs can only be built on Nauvis

[@Karcrab_mcshouty]

@@camiam144 he can just ship them

[@Matok1]

@@Karcrab_mcshouty They can not be actually placed down on Vulcanus, only Nauvis.

[@Xadoras]

Is that Rate Calculator a mod or already included in the base game + dlc?

[@alexacevedo6941]

Its a mod, called Rate Calculator haha

[@lightlegion_]

Hi, I’m Cecilia. Excited to meet you!

Casually making 3600 spm in Vulcunus.

[@OccasusRaven]

Niva ur bots should really have that mod what let them to have more power and they dont need to recharge so often because that slows things down.

[@snowdrop9810]

Thats cheating

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

This is a vanilla run

[@Diesel-bk1ie]

Found the scrub

[@wurst1284]

You mean quality

[@problemchild959]

@@andresmartinezramos7513 unless the man is 100% insane and doing 2 different saves at once, no its not. I have watched his twitch streams where he is clearly using rate calculator which is 100% a mod. also go to 4:43 see that far right icon ? thats rate calculator. this 100% is not a vanilla save.

[@kitesquid]

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[@alexacevedo6941]

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[@MsNazul]

dose he realy say space aids ?!?!

[@bieuw5304]

First!

[@chimmy_jim]

̶W̶h̶o̶a̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶a̶m̶i̶n̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶l̶t̶?̶!̶?̶!̶ Hopefully, those molten iron pipes are connected in the green circuits before next episode. I'm working on trying to get some Epic or Legendary biolabs. Made 15k so far and only 3 epic and 1 legendary with epic quality modules. I feel like my first Space Age game has been made intentionally hard. My Fulgora is all tiny islands too so I've had to wait until I have enough foundation to expand there. Great series, thanks!

[@SgtWilly]

I'm sure bots delivered those iron plates into his LDS buffer chests since they are yellow chests instead of red

[@JasonAWilliams-IS]

exploremore on fulgora to find big islands.

[@XMattyMiseryX]

What are you using that calculates the through out and output

[@jaspervaneck3258]

Fairly sure that's Factory Planner.

[@Impsucks]

​@jaspervaneck3258 It's Rate Calculator made by one of the devs

[@alexacevedo6941]

Rate calculator, its a mod