NEW Mercedes-Benz CLA gets 466-mile range and amazing efficiency

[@tellyboy17]

The great thing about concept cars is that you can assign all sorts of miracle numbers to them without anybody calling you out on them.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Same goes for FRUNKENSTEIN. I'm the cutest revivified doll that ever lived! Sort of...

[@BettyJ193907]

This is also the European rating standard which tends to be higher than EPA measures. Also we have to see real world results. If this is true - they would have to have removed a lot of weight of the CLA body. Or they just crammed a large battery in there. So for me -- efficiency ratings will matter more for me. Having said that - kudos for Mercedes for not keeping their head buried in the sand on EVs.

[@whynotthinkwhynot-]

I agree that figure is potentially elevated, and the rating when it goes on sale will be less. However, it is noteworthy that Consumer Reports in the USA bought and tested EV ranges by setting cruise control to 70 mph, 112 kph, and drove the cars to the point of needing a tow. In these tests, Mercedes EQE, EQS, EQE SUV, and EQS SUV all provided many more miles with the EQE 350 4Matic returning an extra 72 miles. In comparison, Tesla Model S LR returned 39 fewer miles than it’s range rating. Outside of the Tesla fanboy world, anyone who watches EVs knows that Tesla lies about their ranges on every model, and few people are able to achieve those ratings. This has been proven time and time again in real world testing, but you can’t prove it to a cultist. Just like you can’t prove that heat pumps do not work at temps lower than 5C, and overcomplicate climate systems for minimal efficiency gains. EVs are better off with efficient electric heat utilizing heated fluid and automatic cabin thermal monitors. The money would be better spent on laminated insulated glass, and cabin sealing. Yes, the “octovalve” is an engineering marvel, but not worth the trouble in the real world.

[@tellyboy17]

@@whynotthinkwhynot- Cut and paste nonsense

[@Harrythehun]

Tesla doesn’t have the M3P battery yet. It will come but probably not for more range. Probably to lower the cost.

[@florianmallok7770]

As far as i've read it the CLA will come with a range of ICE too, so it's not pure electric. Seems like the 'modular' in Mercedes platform MMA means 'flexible in power trains'.

[@rishinarang9966]

Keep up the good work and I hope your wife gets better soon! How is she doing now?

[@electricviking]

Working on it

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

He went from spending a quarter of the video fundraising for his wife to never mentioning her. I suspect all is not well in paradise.

[@P.Galore]

Remember the EQS Concept - and then the slug production version they released?...Same thing is going to happen with the CLA Concept - Its beautiful and the production version will look nothing like it, except that will remain the worlds first four door that seats two. You will still not be able to get in, out or sit in the back seat.

[@SaadKidwai]

I'm really worried about this. The BMW 3 series Ev concept and the new CLA look absolutely incredible but until they are in regular peoples hands, I have to hold my expectations.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Maybe the back seats are just to sleep in the car? 😇

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

To be fair, it's tough to get in or out of the back seat, too!

[@peterinns5136]

The hand wave door closing is perfect for my wife. If I could afford it, it would surely be on my short list.

[@GET2222]

No. The best door is the Model X. It opens when you walk up to the door without doing anything. I love it.

[@claudiomaiasantos]

There are no short list for a car that will not exist. Even if it will, it will not be in a short time. Concept cars are a misleading lie!

[@Boguardis]

Should be pretty cheap, as it is their CLA model. This thing looks like a damn toaster though. I hate it. I own a Mercedes too so I'm not biased against them.

[@brawnbenson552]

Interesting stats. Will have to wait for the 2024 Performance model 3 numbers. If there will be a plaid version?

[@nicolasgasne]

I've been driving Model S's since 2014 and am now seriously considering Mercedes as a replacement. I've test driven some and done quite a lot of research. I think you are underestimating Mercedes EVs, they have already gone further than you would believe. They offer a lot that Tesla doesn't (for a hefty price though)

[@Maarten_vd]

You should try the 2023 model S (non plaid) as well.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

Like the fancy LEDs do you?

[@FlipBoxStudio]

2014 S is like still being on the iPhone 3 today. The current S is vastly different and way more advanced and improved. No more nosecone either. You’re probably going to regret getting a Mercedes coming from the Tesla ecosystem. But at least you won’t feel like driving a car a lot of other people have. Which isn’t always a good thing long term when it comes to support.

[@nicolasgasne]

@@FlipBoxStudio I'm not driving my classic S from 2014 anymore, I sold it in 2019 and bought a new 2020 Long Range S (Raven). It's been towed 10 times since I got it. A total nightmare.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

Most of the them are assuming wrong things about Mercedes including this person in the KZbin video. That is most of their EVs are not built on their dedicated platforms. Its not true. There were just three vehicles that are comverted. EQA, EQB, EQC ! And only one gets sold in USA.EQB that is. There are other five models available in USA which are developed on a dedicated EVA2 platform for electric vehicles. And their proportions speak for themselves unlike other automakers who just want to have a long hood. EQS, EQE, two suvs of the same vehicles and Maybach EQS SUV.

[@KP-xi4bj]

466 miles WLTP or about 416 miles EPA is about the same as the refreshed Model 3. MB is just playing catch-up.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@johnsmith-cw3woIf refreshed Model 3 range is BS then CLA EV range is bigger BS. Remember, Tesla is the pioneer of mass produced EVs. When people talk about EVs they always mention Tesla.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@johnsmith-cw3woHighland M3 isn't even released to the public yet and "many tested Highland EV range"? I've never read more BS than that quote. Keep on hating, Tesla hater! LMFAO SMH

[@gustavgyll3291]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo daddy Elon did not invent the WLTP. It’s EU standard testing. If you have a problem with how it’s presented you need to complain to the EU, not tesla or Elon. Everyone knows that WLTP is a laboratory testing number.

[@TKPak1]

i was looking to get the EQE electric sedan, but this new CLA seems worthwhile waiting for?

[@simonwile5110]

You buy a Merc or BMW EV because you appreciate traditional design and functions over range and efficiency. Over 400km range who cares? Excited to see this next Gen from Merc that I think will blow Teslas sad looking minimalism away.

[@ZeusBullyMax]

We shall see. I don’t want to give an opinion on a car that’s not even been built yet. Claims and words are meaningless. Mercedes track record up to now has not been good.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

​@@ZeusBullyMaxlol. What did Mercedes so far announce and did not build ? I think you are mixing up tesla with Mercedes 😛

[@protagonist9716]

​@@ZeusBullyMax Yet all claims on new Tesla roadster for half a decade was to ramp up stock and decieve everybody. Tesla the champion of decievers where cybertruck several years late, champion of decievers

[@4literv6]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx the eqs vision concept comes to mind. The real eqs is a joke parked next to the concept car which was stunning!

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

@@4literv6 we are not talking about the looks here

[@julianfelipe4943]

An electric vehicle powered by zero point energy will be demonstrated in October 2023 in Italy by Andrea Rossi, CEO of Leonardo Corporation.

[@marinadizon2720]

This will be historic, if it works.

[@kennybob3096]

Going to be a game changer.

[@tellyboy17]

Nope, it's just a concept car that MB assigned some bogus numbers to.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

​@@tellyboy17you will see next year. And if you don't believe the numbers you should check out EQXX

[@ConstanceCox]

I'm sure Merc has found a way for customers to pay $8k for 'maintenence'.

[@truecolors5413]

So how many car companies are lining up to get there hands on mercedes new battery tech...,.Crickets

[@guidodraheim7123]

Again, you forgot to mention the voltage!! - The MMA (Mercedes Modular Architecture) is based on an 800V architecture, just like the ne E-Actross 600 is based on a 800V architecture, unlike all of the earlier models which are based on a 400V. Notably, all of the earlier Tesla models are also based on a 400V architecture and just the Tesla Semi and (probably) the Tesla Cybertruck have a 1000V architecture. So Tesla is actually just a few months ahead, not years as many people would expect. - Now the voltage is a key factor to increase the charging speed where Tesla is currently stuck at 250kW (500A*500V). For the new Mercedes CLA they announced to charge it from 10 to 80 percent in less than 30minutes. If you consider the announced range of the vehicle that requires quite some enhancements for a stop at an HPC station.

[@zhaowei3025]

New merc - added feature burns for a whole month once it self combusts 😂

[@faheemabbas3965]

I still remember that EQS that caught fire in a garage in the US…

[@i6power30]

Heat pump should be an option. It's useful in temperate climate, but basically useless in extreme cold Canada north. With all that added complexity and cost and prone to failure when working so hard in very cold weather. Not to mention noise and vibration compared to regular resistive heater. At least heat pump equiped cars should allow user to choose which heating mode to use - heat pumo or resistive. Sometimes, when range is not a concern, but quiet and comfort is priority one should be able to turn off heat pump.

[@nikos6220]

Good to see the old guard get more serious. But you have to cut through the PR nonsense. The touted 12 KWh for 100km they want reach with one model based on the MMA some time in 2024 is nothing special. The new Model 3 LR does 12.2 kWh - TODAY On the other hand, If Mercedes is talking about 12.x kWh/100km based on the WLTP standard calculation for that value, it would be a significant step forward. The new Model 3 does 14.4 and 14.7 respectively

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Where do you read it does 12.2?

[@nikos6220]

@@abraxastulammo9940 629km WLTP range, 77 kWh used battery capacity

[@4literv6]

Nice facts! And tesla does it on 75kwhs useable pack capacity and not 89kwhs like the merc concept thing claims. They also do it in dual motor awd trim not single motor rwd, and without using 800v tech or a 2speed rear transmission. 👍🏻😎

[@nikos6220]

@@4literv6 so for sure the Merc will have stellar margins 😜

[@4literv6]

@@nikos6220 it's range should look nice. I bet the price is 25% or more than a comparable tesla m3 though whenever it finally arrives? Also it won't look like that concept car either, the prototypes caught driving around even with camo don't look very good. Example the eqs vision concept was stunning looking vs the equally boring looking eqs production car. 😀

[@WilliamFiler]

FSD mutes the debate before it starts. Let's talk motorcycles.

[@samonnchhay]

What's above the price ?

[@wjkalana100]

Jan 1 at of 2023 tesla model X was $120k and did you think that was overpriced back then

[@nishantkumar-lw6ce]

Doesn’t make sense because the price would be 25k than a model 3

[@abraxastulammo9940]

But you get the star and not the backstabbing icepick as Logo 😅

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Ok, but is 175 kW motor enough?

[@ISuperTed]

It’s nice that these concepts are being announced but the reality is they do nothing like the range claimed (Tesla included) and in this case it will have an enormous battery to get the range so will be hideously expensive. If you’ve got unlimited money then fine, I’m sure it will be a lovely car but take the claims with a pinch of salt.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers mate

[@bossman4401]

My Model S dont have an heat pump. Tesla is also new to heat pumps

[@eclecticcyclist]

466 is the claimed range I'll wait for independent reviews to confirm.

[@Boguardis]

They've been pretty spot on so far.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Morning mate

[@icosthop9998]

Everybody is forcing everybody to step up their game.

[@stevebrugman3145]

You're the best applied science guy on KZbin thank thank you very much for the Sharpe information and astute analysis

[@electricviking]

Thanks for watching!

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

Legacy sure love fancy LED lights.

[@thomasmerrill3585]

Is china working on a tesla like battery semi truck??

[@lordlee6473]

Car industry is moving into the model of the semiconductor industry. Most car companies will become fab-less, and Chinese owned factories throughout the world will help fab the cars.

[@DelPhonic1]

I wish my Tesla had a 466 mile range.

[@TracingRobots]

its still vaporware

[@ZeusBullyMax]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo how do you know the range? They haven’t even released the car yet.

[@TracingRobots]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo Tesla 3 is not vapor, though. it's out in the market in mass production for all to critique. CLA is not. So, they could make stuff up.

[@IanRoss-h1u]

I drove the E250 EQB on the weekend. I loved it. Pricey but quality was outstanding with a lot of getup even though they quote almost 9 seconds to 100km. Tesla car tech is better but are ugly sole less cars. Merc quality was there through and through.

[@visionmodernclassics3062]

I think you never drove a Modell of the EVA2 plattform (EQE,EQS,EQS SUV)..its a dedicated EV architecture. Not Audi nor BMW has developed something like this. Of course the Styling is not everybody taste, but they are competative to tesla. The MMA will also consider IC engines, so its hybrid architecture with the focuse on EV needs but not pure Electric

[@alanc6416]

Saw on another channel it’s actually an “electric first” with “combustion second”. So I’ll hold my opinions on this until it finally arrives. You’re right, the Germans still hasn’t woken up yet and they really need to. I really loved German cars in the past and a willing to pay a little extra (20-30%) to get their cars. Done part of it because of the badge but mostly for practical reasons, such as driving dynamics luxury features. But their EVs are really not competitive. Look if this CLA is as good as it sounds and looks, I’d still consider to pay, say 20% premium over the similar model 3? But not one cent more than that. Because I’d feel treated like an idiot if I do.

[@alanc6416]

Although I have doubts about my expectations on this vehicle. It’s really too bad

[@ITS_BOBBY47]

Outstanding interior design and ergonomically designed dash!! Beats to H*** anything else out there

[@nickv8816]

😂 you think the production car will look anything like that??? Look at the Mercedes EQS concept vs production

[@ITS_BOBBY47]

Take a look at existing Mercedes EV! YES!!!@@nickv8816

[@claudiomaiasantos]

I don’t believe in concept cars, especially from luxury brands. I’ll believe it when sales begin

[@NexusSeries6]

At least it looks better than their current 2002 honda civic line of electric cars

[@julianfelipe4943]

I wish my Tesla had a range of 466 miles.

[@icosthop9998]

Yes

[@gustavgyll3291]

All cars can have imaginary range figures if no one can prove them wrong. Mercedes gets good range figures on paper thanks to big batteries. Would you also like to pay for that?

[@icosthop9998]

The only time I really need that kind of range is if I go camping. And now there are those portable generators. You can carry with you so I can charge things back up for the trip back home. If there is no charge up station along the way.

[@jascfdrac]

New Model3 has 420 miles.

[@jpizel1070]

​@@jascfdracOn paper. Waiting for the reviews on that since no changes were done to the battery just the aerodynamics of the car.

[@Harrybollox]

Happy to buy one if it’s is class leading, but Tesla sets the price as to whether it;s worth buying

[@HåkanWittlåck]

MB is gonna be expensive

[@robertfonovic3551]

Always have been.

[@NackDSP]

Concept == Sad thing car makers talk about when they don't have a car to sell.

[@tellyboy17]

Great thing about concepts is that you can attribute bogus numbers to it that are picked up by the likes of Viking.

[@gustavgyll3291]

Concept car is the biggest BS in the car industry and journalists should have stopped talking about it a long time ago.

[@donaldduck5731]

All Merc needs to do is create a smaller version of their EQE and they’re onto a winner. Nobody wants to buy a Tesla now without any normal safe driver controls, I tell people about the new model3 and they just laugh and the BMW i4 is just too fugly to spend money on. The Polestar 2 will be this Merc’s biggest competitor, looking forwards to seeing it.

[@bossman4401]

As a Tesla Model S owner, Mercedes EQS is far better in every way to every Tesla. I think you should try them for yourselves before speaking negative.

[@WayneT00]

If it’s not in production it’s not real

[@whowhy9023]

When will this car go on sale? Between announcement and delivery German EV’s typically loose 40-50% of their range.😂😂 BMW i4 announced 460miles and delivered 250 ish.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Where did they announce 460 miles? I4 40 delivered 417 miles in teslabjorn's "sunday driving" test. 😊

[@gustavgyll3291]

@@abraxastulammo9940 yes but Tesla Björn’s Sunday drive isn’t a useful figure. It’s a great test and fun to watch but no one drives like that.

[@yorkshirejags7410]

People who say a Tesla is as luxurious as a Merc haven’t really been in a merc, they aren’t close. I love my Tesl but let’s not gaslight.

[@MrRichfarmer]

Concept is the word here, can Mercedes beat Tesla on efficiency? I very much doubt it.

[@paulvandevlasakker9589]

Buying the best is not always the way to go; especially not with cars. For example: Saying to a Ferrari afficionado that he'd better buy a Lamborghini because those cars are faster and deliver more power and drama is simply 'not done!' The same goes for BMW and Mercedes clients. They just want a car of their choice! Mercedes is selling a nice array of EV's and so does BMW. I happen to prefer Mercedes EV's. Tesla's are technically great but I just do not like their models and minimalistic interiors. 😏

[@GolLeeMe]

I am lost for words.

[@stephencrossland2493]

I bet those kids in Africa digging out the calbot for one meal every two days are excited about it as well. So will we when the weight on those tyres giving of poisons kill us all !

[@4literv6]

We've mined for cobalt since the 1730s now. And artisinal mining is just 1-3% of all cobalt mining supply. Not to mention cobalt is most often mined as a by product of copper and nickel mining. 👍🏻

[@mnhsty]

Just hope it isn't priced like a Mercedes.

[@robertfonovic3551]

It will be.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hold my beer 😆

[@donaldespeut2042]

A Tesla is as luxurious as a Mercedes? That is like saying chicken shit is as tasty as chicken salad. Now I have heard it all.

[@lrg3834]

I don't own an EV, but I'll say this: when it comes to robust, reliable, efficient EV's, Tesla IS the standard, not Mercedes, nor anyone else.

[@chrisnewman7281]

it would only get anywhere near that range with a very low drag coefficient

[@lino6108]

It’s nothing more than a concept . Tesla watch out! The competition is coming 😂

[@HansKruse]

I can't take this serious. With such a range it would be heavy and not handle well and pricey. Concepts meet reality sooner or later.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

You are poorly informed my dear. You should check EQXX and this concept car tech spec will translate to the series vehicle which will be announced next year 2024. This is not like a tesla. Announce something that is not even ready. If they announce it means they have the cars ready to be launched.

[@HansKruse]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx Concepts, promises, next year etc. Yes dream on and wait for the facts to appear, but before that happens I can't take htis serious.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

@@HansKruse can't argue with ignorance ! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@chrisl2915]

CLTC = EPA + 35% So realistic range is 466/1.35 = 345 miles or 550km no great leap forward. Auto industry still pulling the old BS just as they do with fuel consumption figures.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

I thought EPA range was always wltp km/2 in miles and round up to the nearest 10. 😅

[@iSot80]

The same story is for Tesla. People buying Tesla cars because the brand is Tesla. People are often quite "simple" :) There is a lot of better cars than Tesla, it only depends what are you looking for and for what use and what cost.

[@gustavgyll3291]

The CLA is a concept car, it doesn’t exist. Anyone can make a concept car without showing any data and claim it will be the best ever. The whole idea of concept cars is BS. There only purpose is to make investors keep investing and media to say nice things about them. Can anyone name a concept car the actually was made and delivered what they said??

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

Then have a look at EQXX. They drove it and tested it in front of the public. Get certified by an independent organisation.

[@gustavgyll3291]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx yes, but is still a concept car that nobody can buy. And if it would go on sale to the public it would be super expensive. Every car company on the planet could make a car that’s outstanding. Making a one off super great show off car is something that all of them can do. The really hard and difficult part is making a production car in high number, ramping the production, delivering good enough quality and selling it at a reasonable price and still make money on it. Mercedes is world leader in making nonsense concepts that never go to market and media loves them for it. Don’t get me wrong, Mercedes makes good cars. I really like the EQE it’s a really nice car. A bit expensive compared to what I get out of my Model S, but it’s a really nice car.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

@@gustavgyll3291 dude wait ! This is a preview of a production car. Which obviously is a concept but they not gonna lie on numbers and specifications. When they announced 780kms range for eqs with 108kwh battery all the tesla fanboys cried that it's not going to make it to production. But look at the series vehicle now. They have announced the numbers because it's there on the roads as test mules and they have seen the numbers. Secondly did you know that they use a new battery with silicon rich anode from Sola nanotechnologies for their long range ? No you don't ! So before spewing hate and misinformation it's important to be informed. And thirdly, it's CLA which means the vehicle cannot be 100k ! It will start at around 50k since already existing cla is 45k around. May be max 55k. Which is not that expensive. And long range can be at the max 5-7k more expensive.

[@ralphcramden8582]

They say it's going to have.....The car is not going to be in production until 2025. You know it's going to be much more expensive than Tesla and the software is going to suck. It will never have full self driving unless Mercedes gets it from Tesla.

[@hughjasse3375]

It looks all burnt out - like the Merc EV they pulled off the Freemantle Highway that caught alight again, weeks later, and had to be put into a skip full of water and covered, by men in hazmat suits.

[@aramcobratusa8963]

What's the efficiency of Lucid compared to this Mercedes instead of tesla? I realize Tesla was first but they're old news. there's more to a luxury car than stop sign to stop sign quickness and making fart noises. Tesla isnt luxury and the charging network will soon be full of Fords and GMs. Tesla is more like Toyota, absolutely nice transportation.

[@one4me03]

Probs won't be 'priced right' for the average consumer no doubt, but yeah... Said perfectly... People will be speaking from their wallets

[@jonpetter8921]

Really ? the first Mercedes EV that impressed you ? EQS already beat Tesla in range and basically almost everything.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

How isnthis imaginary Mercedes any better than the 20 imaginary GM electric cars and the 30 imaginary Toyota ones?

[@elthamtreehugger5320]

Merc EV styling in recent years has been forgettable

[@vermontsownboy6957]

Mercedes talk is cheap. Show me the money. Better, show me the final production candidate in mass production.

[@bill_heywood]

Tesla have refreshed a tired old a design rather than producing a new model, which after 6 years is what was needed. The new Model 3 may look less crap than the old one, but it really isn't as nice as a Mercedes

[@HectorGarcia-nb2ld]

You can videos forever but I will only buy a Tesla until I die. I will always be loyal to Tesla

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Another overpriced car that only the top 2% can afford.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Don’t belive everything PR Departments are telling you. Let’s see first when they bring such proll car with too many stars on, absolutely ugly for a former longtime Mercedes fanboy! And again drive first in real life and not WLTP on lab condition without any A/C on (anyhow in EQE it’s far too loud and definitely NOT premium), certainly no frunk again and heatpump probably as expensive accessory etc. only the price will be double or triple to comparable real competition. Anyhow in our Golf Club the Star is nearly dead as people drive actually S3XY cars, Koreans from Kia, Hyundai and Genesis.

[@jurybonsenor5479]

Garbage, will bet you that the motor will brake before the 200,000 miles on them, all the Mercedes’ will have problems with the engine, that is we’re they make money on the buyer.

[@stevea8099]

Mercedes are too ugly for me, and the interior looks messy and like a Fisher price toy compared to the simple clean lines of a tesla

[@BTC_Minarchist]

Why is a concept car that will never deliver on price or features even news? 🥱 wake me up when this thing is being produced in volume.