New Q&A + Dovetail Fails to Address MAJOR Issues with West Coast Mainline - Train Sim World 5

[@psych-ryry]

It's like that PR advice "Instead of answering the question you've been asked, answer the question you wish you were asked"

[@RightAwayProductions005]

Absolutely agree with the comment about DTG’s public faving employees. It is, as per usual, a higher-up not allowing any more time for development so they can give their masters and overlords (shareholders) more dosh. It’s truly dissappointing that when we think of criticising DTG, our minds immediately go to Matt, JD etc. when it isn’t their fault. It’s the higher ups. Truly sad to see, but at this point, they’re forcibly tied to the mast of a broken route and forced to bare the brunt of the executive money-chasing… Good work as usual mate!!

[@markbolam1383]

sadly train sim world is a very nieche product so they have to constantly have to turn over new products to bring the money its not like grand theft auto a main stream product where they can take there time and guarnteed to bring in huge amout of money when released

[@markh3195]

Matt is an executive producer - where is he?

[@potatoman451]

​@@markh3195he's everywhere

[@emily1]

Matt is one of the management of such we should be targeting about this. Executive Producers as part of their job ensure the quality of a game in production throughout aswell as liasing with higher ups with problems and important points that need to be addressed in development. He certainly isn't just a developer. There's a chain of command in company management and it's no one 'managements' fault.

[@potatoman451]

​@@emily1 I'm sure matt is passionate but he has to make decisions based on deadlines and budgets set by higher ups. He wants the game to be great but there are limitations to everything

[@iamarailfanobviously1497]

I think we can all say the WCML will be the worst TSW5 base route

[@Keither754]

At this point, if I *buy* TSW5 I might just get the US Regional version/bundle with only the US route, or only get the free starter pack. Definitely not excited for the UK route at all, and I’m not usually that much of a fan for the German stuff either.

[@cam43002]

You hope

[@khmcc5556]

They need to extend the route to Milton Keynes or somewhere further to make it feel more worth it

[@intercity234]

@@khmcc5556 You mean beyond Milton Keynes, as the route on TSW ends at Milton Keynes?

[@Robert.S459]

@@intercity234 I agree, the two main Intercity routes for the UK are just sections. Only Scotland gets a proper intercity route. Both ECML and WCML need to have additional sections created to form at least a good reason to have the high speed Class 390 and 801/1.

[@markh3195]

Another half baked release from DTG = DodgyTrainGroup

[@ianmalcolm7782]

Doesn't Test Games.🤣

[@theblockybanana5537]

Love your cinematic ratio background footage :)

[@trainsimsociety]

thanks!! My monitor is ultra wide ratio so I don’t do it on purpose but for regular widescreen I guess it is a nice treat 😁

[@Shwing]

Dovetail have worked hard to become a seemingly sloppy developer, and they continue to reinforce that sentiment.

[@berillyispog]

Thats our dovetail!

[@JayKLA97]

in the faq for san bernardino last stream they answered questions we didn’t ask too they do that a lot

[@markgr1nyer]

We need Sam back in the PR role. He used to at least appear on our side and call it out. Guess he got moved onto other projects because he asked too many awkward questions, whereas they can push the likes of JD and Alex around

[@potatoman451]

I'm pretty sure he retired and he had a lot of personal things going on

[@markgr1nyer]

@@potatoman451 hope he's got it sorted. Sam wouldn't stand for this rubbish being pumped out without calling it out

[@stevehornsby7727]

They demonstrated this on a pc and the pop in was terrible so imagine this on consoles. Scary

[@trainsimsociety]

Rip gen 8 consoles 😬

[@knownothing5518]

The annual release model shows its weaknesses. Were all of these things just given individual times as DLCs and only bundled if they just so happen to be finished at a similar time as each other. As this game progresses, you'd think the new routes would get more expansive and rich in content. Train Sim Classic's WCML goes all the way to BHM. Why does this one not do so? It is arguably supposed to be a superior product.

[@potatoman451]

Using a more modern graphics engine means it's much more expensive to develop and takes much longer to develop. Modern does not equal faster and cheaper. Also tsw has an entire timetable to replicate as well so that takes a lot of dev time as well

[@knownothing5518]

@@potatoman451 true in essence, but I don't see how that stands against anything I said. Adapting to a new engine is cool and all but the company strategy is what results in shortcomings of the product.

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

​@potatoman451 this game has been in development for almost a decade. Given that they have been using the same engine for years, there is no reason why they still haven't gotten the hang of the engine. The game should be moving forward, not backwards but of course you will just blindly defend Dovetail for constantly falling short.

[@northwesttrainspotter319]

they mentioned something about having a outdated version of the beta meaning that is a somewhat old build, assuming we get the best one it will be better (i hope)

[@trainsimsociety]

Crossing my fingers 😩

[@davidhamm7909]

No mention of 72 stock Bakerloo trains and the number of services for these and the 710s.

[@TB76Returns]

I will save my judgement for the release but I am not optimistic

[@trainsimsociety]

As you should, just remain cautious and keep your hopes on the lower side so you aren’t disappointed. :)

[@TB76Returns]

@@trainsimsociety It could well be a Peninsula Corridor situation, where the timetable and services are good, but the scenery is arse.....

[@potatoman451]

​@@TB76Returns peninsula corridor is a very old route

[@azza-x3]

Pre-orderes should get £30 credit to spend on tsw content since they keep coming out with rushed games it's so bad

[@Ispotthingssometimes]

Love this guy 😊😊😊

[@chandlerbstransport422]

why would the 377/2 not go onto the Brighton Main Line? It does in real life

[@potatoman451]

It requires remaking the timetable unfortunately

[@chandlerbstransport422]

@@potatoman451 yeah I suppose

[@AlexanderBrassington]

​@@potatoman451just swap the /4s on the Milton Keynes service with /2s surely?

[@potatoman451]

​@@AlexanderBrassington that's still a lot of work.

[@AlexanderBrassington]

@@potatoman451 is it? All they would have to do is change the train spawns from a /4 to a /2

[@GP30_Foamer]

Usually the U.S. route gets the short end of the stick, now it’s looking to be the best out of the three, and usually the UK route is the best but now it’s looking to be the worst.

[@potatoman451]

There's still the German route

[@samhartnett8700]

The fact that the 390 only layers onto Cathcart Circle is the most frustrating part of this article. They could‘ve made Manchester Piccadilly and Birmingham New Street way busier if they layered it on the routes as well. They‘re both completely empty. And the same goes for the 350. And the LNWR 350s don’t even go to Glasgow, as LNWR only runs between London, Manchester and Liverpool. What a disappointment…. Great video though once again! Cheers!

[@whitworthlime8793]

They were on lease in that livery up in Scotland. It is realistic

[@samhartnett8700]

@@whitworthlime8793 Well, I suppose it‘s not a big deal since the 350s are unbranded right now, but the fact that the 350 and 390 don’t layer onto any other routes bothers me to no end

[@potatoman451]

​@@samhartnett8700 at the end of the day, limited time and limited staff. Some timetables can be more complex than others to edit. There's many reasons why

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

@potatoman451 Here you go making excuses again. They were capable of adding the 390/350 to other routes as layers. They choose not too when they were perfectly capable of doing so

[@potatoman451]

​@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 they still don't have unlimited time and budget. Remember timetables are made by 1 dev. Feel free to do it yourself when you get the chance if you can't wait

[@Keither754]

Man, that Q&A article is rough 😅😬

[@leandrofigueiredo8897]

that shows that they don't even care what people say, rush the game and get the cash flow first then solve (or ignore) the problems and pass straight up to the next buggy route.

[@markh3195]

Yeah grab our money and run.

[@Robert.S459]

After all of the constructive criticism of WCMLS on the DTG Forum WCMLS thread. The response was an insult. DTG you screwed up END OF!

[@potatoman451]

​@@Robert.S459 i guess they wouldn't win either way. They could say there's no plans to fix certain issues or they don't know yet and players would get so mad over it. Dtg could say they are working on it and players would still get mad because they would just say "dtg are lying, etc." If they don't say anything, players get mad. Tsw5 is releasing soon so don't expect much to change and just wait for patches

[@AlexEnGame]

Dude, this company is a fucking joke lately:)). So glad that I didn't pay any money to them anymore

[@berillyispog]

I hope they add the silverlink branding at Queen’s Park

[@Glisten3shelly]

Another great video from Train Sim Society!

[@leewood2409]

Just stumbled on your channel great stuff. This is the 1st time I won't be buying for Playstation on release. WCML very disappointing and the san bernadino stream tonight looked better than WCML the scenery was decent but the floating cars, the lighting and shadow problems put me off so free core and wait until new year or a sale whichever comes first.

[@miata-757-30]

Gwe update if done correctly might be the only thing worth while in the update

[@michaeltischer7195]

Im going to say this straight... Everthing in tws5 is worse! Is not a cool game is just a no good copyright of the other games, we wanted tws online not this crap. We ar paying custom Dovetail NOT BETTAERTESTERS!!!!

[@santiagobond964]

I am hoping for the best

[@Jay-dl1gy]

Same thing every year. Dovetail games are only interested in fleecing it's customers. It is a joke. Just trains and Armstrong powerhouse need to be integrated into the mix. Then we will have the realism and simulation all us players want from a train simulator. Just look at how many years it has taken Dovetail to implement suspension onto the rolling stock. Basic stuff. I say no more..

[@potatoman451]

Just trains is already making their own content and ap have zero interest joining tsw

[@IllinoisCentralSD70]

I was gonna pre-order, but then I realized how broken the game is, and I might just wait for the GamePass version or the free version in a month.

[@clintcarpenter3679]

And who is going to buy this. Might have to wait for major update.

[@fozcast8015]

DTG always seem to have a problem with the WCML. They've always been crap, but on TSC they also released with so many issues. I wonder why they find it so difficult to make

[@e575fho]

Seriously, looking at Dovetail's previous track record with routes and everything else for that matter, is anybody really surprised?

[@thatlittlefox.]

DTG = doesnt test games

[@uuu1-t2s]

and some lady during wcml livestream somewhere at 39:02 accidentally said the p word

[@nikolasguerrero3545]

I think if they can’t make a rout pretty perfect and if they think it’s a hard task to complete than I think they shouldn’t do it even if it’s highly requested because the community would understand and wouldn’t be quite upset to the point what we see today haft assed routes are no good

[@potatoman451]

Using that argument, zero routes would exist in tsw. Pretty perfect could cause performance issues because you want every single spec of dust detailed. It would also immensely increase development cost and time and prices would have to increase to account for that

[@nikolasguerrero3545]

@@potatoman451 yeah that’s all true it just sucks that most of the routes we get are buggy from the get go and most don’t ever get updated

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

@potatoman451 That is false. No route has to be 100% perfect, but if a route is going to be made with poor quality and issues, then the product simply shouldn't be made. Also, if third parties who have smaller budgets and modders can make good quality content, then there is no excuse as to why a company that is owned by a multi-billion dollar company can't do the same.

[@froof2330]

Dovetail dovetailing

[@RIdersfan232]

I have a feeling the steam reviews ain't gonna look good

[@Tortoise_r6]

I hope so. Dtg really has to change.

[@fokuz2025]

@@Tortoise_r6they can't they just want money and they keep making the same game they need to improve things

[@Tortoise_r6]

@@fokuz2025 This is exactly what I mean, but the problem is that, so many keep buying the products.

[@fokuz2025]

@@Tortoise_r6 fr

[@DaveNukem]

I bought this game for my Xbox Series S and to be honest I am quite disappointed that the game crashes regularly and that while I paid 75 euros, scandalous

[@seiner0ne]

I'm not looking forward to tsw5 just another rushed job by dtg. Why do we need tsw annually, It's a simulator game not bloody FIFA or NBA 2k. Idk who's worse EA or DTG because there heading the EA road

[@theOGPeterB]

You are talking about WCML but show a German route! 😂 These videos are a waste of time until you see a release build!

[@markbolam1383]

sadly i wont buy west coast mainline if its anything like boring east coast mainline which i bought

[@potatoman451]

The wcml is much more variety than ecml. At least you got different stopping patterns and multiple trains. Ecml only gave you 2 with very little variety

[@kevingraham3161]

My god those Q&A were pathetic.

[@damianc.0.681]

Classic DTG L

[@jazzdub4958]

DTG moving all kinds of madness while hoping to sucker more train fans into another lame yearly title.

[@PSVITAanything]

The game is rushed. I want another good game like 2 or 3

[@slovakballmapper]

ECML is better than this

[@VieleGuteFahrer]

Oh, I just know that the Frankfurt-Fulda route is going to be a huge disappointment as well. 🫣 Another thing that I don’t understand is why DTG keeps adding British light poles and German transmission towers to American routes. They did it in New York - Trenton, they did it on the Antelope Valley Line and they’re doing it again with the San Bernardino Line. Am I the only one bugged by that? 😂

[@potatoman451]

If saves dev time and resources to reuse assets. Frankfurt fulda might be the best with layers

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

@@potatoman451 They could make new assets. They are not incapable of making new poles as they have done before.

[@Kerekere123]