NEW SEASON 5 UPDATE: NERFS BUFFS Class Changes, XP Uniques - Diablo 4

[@reysmith1]

Can the devs just add a dps calculator on the training dummy

[@etrosknight2254]

yes please, it's so obnoxious trying to pick out the particular damage number I'm looking for I have to record myself doing an attack and watch the playback, sometimes still can't see it

[@jasonlucia6682]

torchlight infinite actually has a fantastic training dummy i'd be happy to see blizz rip off. It works in real time, showing your average dps as well as your highest 5 second window. Gives you an idea of your burst window and average dps very quickly.

[@frustrated0goat]

I'm definitely with this. Apart from base and over power, all the others are pretty blended depending on the contrast.

[@haddasSMD]

Small indie company is blizz

[@Mesoz]

@@jasonlucia6682 Probably one of the things I actually really like about TLI, It's super great for testing.

[@chadrickmorgan1149]

Im not convinced they have any clue how to balance their classes.

[@AlexandraSpeaks]

Yeah but they're getting a hang of it which is why barb is getting nerfed

[@ItzumiMario]

@@AlexandraSpeaks the problem is that they nerfed barb while all other classes suck. which leads me to believe that they really do not know how to balance their classes lmao

[@Agemred]

I am. I am completely convinced they don't know how to balance their classes for equality between them or for player enjoyment.

[@joshthehawk746]

@@AlexandraSpeaks barb doesnt need nerfed other classes just need fucking buffed

[@the_real_max_level]

right... but some of their fans do.

[@MiCKEYDiAMONDSS]

Tempering should be changed. Let us choose what we want but give us less % and make it costs more gold/materials. If you choose to roll the dice, give higher % on the rolls and make it cheaper.

[@markd9318]

My mind is blown that they buffed the shit out of bone spirit again but threw crumbs to the rest of necros kit

[@Brontux]

Nerfing both the defense passives and removing the tempering manual on Barb is unacceptable to me. I love the gear chase while thinking "one day I will be unkillable". Same goes for sorcerers not being able to be 100% immune (all the time) with flame shield with insane CD gear and +ranks to flame shield.

[@elrock2337]

Whenever Rob says angel something dies in me.

[@relshdan191]

An angle gets its wings

[@icey8545]

german

[@palleppalsson]

@@icey8545 Would have closer if if he said it in german 😁

[@icey8545]

@@palleppalsson i was referring to the accent buddy, he pronounces the g how you would pronounce it in german

[@Berserkism]

yeah, my german wife dies inside everytime she hears it too.

[@Rydiculous]

I don't think the 3 more temper rolls will matter. Instead of giving you the same useless roll 5 times in a row it will just give it to you 8 times now.

[@zengokigyh]

Learn the tempering trick.. temper anogher item FIRST up to 5+ times what you Dont want, in a row. Then do your item. Ive almost never failed a temper. But it IS stressfull.

[@CourtneyC-f3f]

What developers don’t seem to understand is that having extra item slots enables those classes to have many more aspects, affixes, and tempering additions than others can have. This significantly buffs those classes while significantly limiting the classes who don’t have extra item slots. Increasing damage in some classes and decreasing it in others isn’t going to make up for the difference between having extra aspects, affixes, and tempering additions from having additional item slots. There is no reason they can’t give every character class the same number of item slots. It’s like none of the developers have ever read a fantasy book. Sorcerers are insanely powerful and can use multiple weapon types and have them available to them at the same time in most books. They don’t typically use bows or bludgeoning weapons, but many use staffs, wands, daggers, swords, and sources (focus) and have all of them on their person at once. There is no reason sorcs in D4 can’t have an arsenal like barbs do. They don’t necessarily need to have the same arsenal skill setup, but the developers are just utterly ridiculous in their presentation of the sorc class and how much more they think a barbarian would outclass literally every other class of combatant. It’s time for all of the classes to have the same number of item slots.

[@reverb2516]

very happy to see that they acknowledge the fact other classes are weaker than barb due to the lack of equipment slots. but a flat dps buff to compensate has to be the laziest way they could have tried to fix that problem. (paraphrasing) they talk in interviews about rewards/buffs/damage being part of a pie chart and how it can be hard to find space available to give people meaningful rewards. this was the perfect opportunity for like… additional interesting class passives, extra enchant slot for sorc etc but they just give a % dps increase. thats so boring. i hope they are working on something better and this is just a temporary solution.

[@sinosleep007]

Will never understand why companies will be like, " Oh so no one is using this skill because it's garbage? Let's nerf it."

[@gr4ndm4st3rbl4akk]

Because you don't know the whole fucking thing. You can see part of the patch note only, rob says so himself. There's skills, aspects, items, other paragon nodes that might interact with it etc. Just stop

[@sinosleep007]

@@gr4ndm4st3rbl4akk I'll be sure to upvote this when no one is using those key passives in season 5 either. :)

[@jehdi6974]

​@gr4ndm4st3rbl4akk damn you get so aggressive in the comments. It's super scary :O

[@sinosleep007]

@@jehdi6974 Smiley faces are scary and aggressive? Is that a cultural thing?

[@jehdi6974]

@sinosleep007 I tagged the guy cursing in the comment below you. My comment was directed towards him.

[@Xarrio]

Update: After further consideration (thx Robb for clarifying), it is highly probable that the S5 change is not as I described below, but instead the CHD % simply acts as an additional additive stat in the "additive stat bucket" for bleeds with Gushing wounds, which def won't help nearly as much as before. Here is how I interpret the Gushing Wounds dmg calculation (assuming 4872.8% CHD): LIVE: 100% + 1.4 x CHD % = 1 + (1.4 x 49.738) = 70.63 multi (Edit: This is likely wrong) S5 Change: 1.7 + CHD % = 1.7 + 49.738 = 51.438 multi Change = 51.438/70.63 = 71.41% of previous dmg, or a 28.59% dmg loss. (again, likely not correct, will be much less dmg if it is indeed simply additive with rest of stats).

[@Rob2628]

Hm interesting take - from my understanding the cd is just additive after the change. They mentioned they just want bleeds to function like normal Crit (so just additive category). We will have to wait & see!

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Nah. Crt chance 100% => You have a 100% chance to do 70% (x) multiplicative damage and nothing more. ADDITIONALLY, you will do 100% (+) based on your crit damage.

[@marcclermont5935]

Live: 100% + 2,4(increase by140% not 40%) x CHD% = 1 + (2,4 x 49.738) = 119.371 multi (assuming 4973,8% CHD) result in 56.9% dmg loss.....the rest is correct;)

[@Xarrio]

@@Rob2628 Ah... I see. That is def a weird way of putting it in the description, but I guess that sorta makes sense since CHD normally doesn't work for bleeds, so now you are making it work for bleeds, but as an additive stat. I think you are likely correct though after further consideration.

[@tonynguyen4136]

So Gushing Wounds is still amazing. 20B - 30% or 50% is still billions.

[@dublinduster]

What happened to all the talk about bringing every class to the barb level?

[@HDPolarBear]

Well game kinda easy, i think it is the right call to nerf and make the game generally harder. I dont count pit 200, since it is not supposed to be doable imo, if everybuild that has good gear and 8/12 MW can do pit 61, then that would be good. everything after pit61 is just for the challange and hopefully they add a leaderboard to the pit.

[@randylahey3891]

@@HDPolarBear Why 61? I feel like 101 should be the baseline because that's the optimal level to to farm neathiron, past that is just for bragging rights

[@HDPolarBear]

@@randylahey3891 because 61 is the point where tier 3 mats drops. anything above is just a challange. (you get a bit more tier3 mats but it is at some point more efficient to just farm 61)

[@HDPolarBear]

@@randylahey3891 101 is only efficient since OP builds can clear it as fast as 61. I am not sure that should be normalized.

[@antonriddoch8]

That's what they did

[@Klingles]

Nerfs are definitely not fun but when barbs are doing billions to trillions of damage and everyone else is doing tens of millions, it makes it hard for most non-barb mains to empathize with barb players lol. Welcome to everyone else's power level I guess.

[@aleksfreeman3627]

just skip 5 season

[@mehmetabdullah250]

​@@aleksfreeman3627na, i will play rogue and sorcerer they look more interesting, even though the character i played the most until season 5 was barb. Only barb build im gonna play is tyrael might ww dust devil build, thats the only fun build left imo, so until im getting a tyrael im not touching barb.

[@Klingles]

@@aleksfreeman3627 honestly, I'm pretty pumped to be a druid player since a large part of the reason why druids were bad last season is because druids need a ton of uniques to make their builds work and uniques were bad last season. Since unqiues are going to be way better this next season and with all of the druid buffs, I think druids are gonna be cooking.

[@ItzumiMario]

Did you feel good when you played other classes with their sub-par damage? Having played a rogue and sorc I didn't. Now barb has been brought into line with other classes, and the rest of the classes suck. If I want to play s5, I have to endure subpar dps, which sounds like a shitty deal to me

[@Klingles]

@@ItzumiMario Nah, barb is going to be fine. It'll be worse than last season but it's still going to be pushing farther than most classes were last season. Most classes also have pretty substantial buffs that should put everyone in a better spot. Also, I'm surprised you didn't do damage with a rogue. Rogue is insane this season.

[@Lagalpb]

Damn they massacred Barbarians, and the Necromancer lucky hit buffs are underwhelming.

[@Rob2628]

I dont have the full list for Necro. Across the board Lucky Hit of many skills has been increased! But yea Barb key passive nerfs are taff

[@grasgruen84]

i dont say those necro buffs are enough, but the lucky hit changes are huge. in the sever example, you dont only het 15% more lucky hit chance. it also scales better with the lucky hit chance on your gear then if the base chance is higher, dont forget that.

[@Conflict125]

​@@grasgruen84 but what will necro do with all this LHC? Wear andariel in every build ?

[@Mexicannasa]

No nerf for minion necro i see.

[@Conflict125]

@@Mexicannasa minions will be weak becouse this build doesnt use any uniques and they are buffing uniques in this patch

[@user-uk3cf4cn5g]

Yea blizzard is completely unattached with it's community. Why make a game with fantasy and build variety if your not going to let the player base use it. Braindead

[@animago81]

Because 99% dont use fantasy and build variety, they use the barb build someone made for them with the best cheese on it.

[@user-uk3cf4cn5g]

@@animago81 1000% couldn't agree more

[@chaddrusso8850]

@@animago81and why does that even matter? I’d say 1-5% of the player base play PvP

[@animago81]

@@chaddrusso8850 and pvp wins the worst class atm.. pvp is no reason to play Diablo. But you want to hit high pits and fight the best tormented bosses to get the best loot. And the best ... No the almost only... way is to play a bleed barb.

[@chaddrusso8850]

@@animago81 what are you talking about have you looked at the max roll ladder? Heart seeker rouge, mekuna sorc build and Flay barbs are all at the top. Most decent builds can run pit 80’s and kill Uber bosses just because you play some home brew build that doesn’t work well shouldn’t mean the rest of us should suffer.

[@Drock7749]

I'm pretty excited for the Sorc and Druid buffs but i wish they wouldnt have nerfed Barbs and Necros. Really wish they would have buffed the classes that needed it to keep it fun and exciting for all classes

[@kuja5809]

Yeah hate when they do this shit. Just leave the class that is good as it is and buff the other classes appropriately. Also the sorceress survivability is still questionable, mana shield , barriers is trash gets depleted in split seconds. Ice armor got nerf, teleport got nerf, ccd got nerf. Flame shield got changed to work only after duration ends so it's going to be weird af trying to time it when to use and sorceress still only has w enchantment slots blizzard team doesn't know wtf they are doing

[@SicomSix]

Rogues have TWO extra slots and barbs have FOUR extra slots. 2h weapons = double strength aspects, double stat rolls, double temp rolls = two extra slots. Rogues have 2h + 1h + 1h = 4 Barbs have 2h + 2h + 1h + 1h = 6

[@relshdan191]

Exactly…,and blizzard thinks 16% damage buff from stats at endgame compensates for that…god these devs are clueless

[@gottinrod]

The Unconstrained nerf is way out of proportion... as was it was already barely usable. Gutting it by more than half will make it straight up unviable.

[@droid5785]

Barely usable is a bit of a stretch dontcha think? Considering I ran 101 pits with it meanwhile my almost fully masterworked sorc struggles? Gushing is far better late game but don't act for a second like 10 seconds berserk and 100x DMG is at all fair compared to other classes leveling key passives. Get real

[@gottinrod]

@@droid5785 barely usable in the context of comparing to Gushing Wounds. Exactly to achieve 101. Oh btw some more testing shows that the full practical effect of the passive after the nerf will be a TOTAL of 8% dmg...haha increasing a rank on another skill is more valuable than wasting a skill point on the key passive

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

@@droid5785lol you could run 101 without taking a key passive as well. Just because you are making them does not make suboptimal decisions not suboptimal

[@payamace]

Apparently you can now stack mindcages 3 times

[@petermeredith8698]

Oh nice, I really wanted that

[@jw3807]

The barb nerfs are absolutely ridiculous. Guess I’ll continue to take the odd numbered seasons off.

[@joshcarel8761]

The nerf to the gushing wounds passive is understandable but to nerf the other 3 passive is into the ground makes them completely useless. Build variety is a good thing but barbs are going to be limited to bleed builds once again.

[@Rob2628]

Totally agree especially on Walking Arsenal. No1 was already using it :(

[@JEMustang]

Now they’re equal to other classes… 100x on a passive was stupid op.

[@gimba8889]

No

[@meitwasnt6705]

​@@Rob2628tbh, i understand their reason. Everything is getting nerf to x1.35% but walking arsenal which has a x1.56% + 20% atk speed increase is unreasonable because people would all start to use it then we'd be back in ground 0.

[@tonynguyen4136]

@@JEMustang lol it's still 1000%+ additive?? xD

[@grishnakh]

In short: 1. Buff Unique (not season exclusive) 2. Remove Barb (possibly be season exclusive because it is an odd season) 3. Skip Season 5

[@CookaSoupNieceEH]

All lost powers from nerfs transferred to Spiritborn

[@haqueash]

The new uniques buff barb dmg into the sky. So the barb nerf is totally justified. It makes no sense a single class can do a billion dmg and no class can come close. Now its in line with other classes. All you barb whiners need to calm down.

[@recksters54]

They can change the entire game, if they don't allow temper reroll reset like masterworking, that is hugely disappointing. We traded the loot RNG to never find items we really want to temper reroll RNG to break items we really want.

[@duskairable]

I'm probably ok with the stat changes and the removal defensive temper, but they buthchered all of our key passives without giving any compromise??, wtf. And look at unbridled rage key passive 😂, it's a dead node in season 5. That walking arsenal, i remembered they buffed it cuz no one use it and now they nerf it 😂. Dead node. I don't know how their train of thought works 😂

[@lilredthabest]

it doesn’t lmfaooo

[@doisphelps4777]

No doubt

[@scottwade1054]

4 weapon slots. Double two hander aspects. Full stop.

[@rassplinterspine1883]

I don't think main stat scaling is enough. The disparity is also the difference of how many aspects each character can hold. Or the number of unique gear that can be integrated to their respective builds that sacrificing an aspect wouldn't be so detrimental. And I've been saying this everywhere, Ossified Essence for Necro should return to 1.0!!! >,..,< Greater affix adds 1 more chance at rerolling temper ----> **unwanted affix rolls all 8 times on a 3GA** no difference!! it's like slapping duct tape on a crack on a dam

[@user-hj3iq9kz2y]

18:28 Actually, Burning Instinct gets nerf. In s4 this paragon node doesn't have a cap (My sorc has x122% damage). PTR capped it at x40% then changed to cap x80%. Anyway, it is a nerf. Ceaseless Conduit also gets nerf. My sorc in s4 gets x240%. PTR capped it at x60% then changed to cap x120%. Elemental Summoner node in s4 also doesn't have a cap but s5 caps it at x60%. Yes, Frigid Fate, Searing Heat, and Icefall node are buffed.

[@xx3uddhaxx]

Appreciate the Info Rob 💪🏽

[@Rob2628]

You re welcome!

[@RickheadWashington]

Looks like sorc is going to do a lot more Dmg. But it still needs survivability without bugs.

[@OP_FUJI]

It’s a glass cannon it’s survivability is good where it’s at

[@OP_FUJI]

Sorcerers aren’t tanks and wear plated armor for a reason

[@Complication84]

We heard you, necro is underpowered after all of the gutting nerfs we have given it over the last year. So we are giving it a minor lucky hit buff! - Smooth Brain Blizzard

[@Rob2628]

The buff seems rather significant like I mentioned in the video. I am trying to all the info, but many skills got buffed!

[@Complication84]

@@Rob2628 Any buff is welcomed, but overall, after watching the video the changes show me that Blizzard is completely out of touch with the community and what makes an ARPG fun to play. They didn't learn their lesson from season 1 at all, and their idea of balance is still taking a sledgehammer to whatever is the strongest class/skill/glyph/etc.. Main stat increases are nice, but that isn't the dividing factor in what makes Barb and Rogue so strong. It is the fact they have an extra weapon, barb having two, that they can put aspects on. They could have added one extra weapon slot for necro and sorc easily considering their weapon sets. Just make one slot for staff and greatsword/scythe. They can then equip their one hand, focus, and two hand and gain one extra aspect slot which would open up the builds to new ideas. I could go on forever since a majority of these changes are tone deaf to me. The uncapping of the dungeon mob xp scaling is just them removing a season 1 mistake that was a key reason the game died instantly. That is good, but they then add hard caps to key passives and paragon nodes? Hard caps are horrible for this game. The content is not hard, it is just a constant hp scale up for mobs. The mechanics are non existant. So finding a fun build that scales through the fuckin roof makes the brain dead content fun because you can just explode everything and get showered in loot. Adding hard caps only makes the brain dead content slower, not more complicated or intense. D4 is a kindergarten arpg so stop adding child proof locks to every class and let us fuckin finger paint!

[@MetalDad91]

​@@Complication84are you okay? Lol

[@adamjohanssonn]

minor? its double on most of them, and some skills were buffed more than double and main stat increase, dmg will go up by a ton on most builds, and it'll scale a lot better with the lucky hit you get making it even stronger

No he's not no one knows shit about season 5 no one knows the meta yet and wont until it launches just spewing bs

[@RexVI2]

With the nerfs to unconstrained passive and protection temper being completely removed this makes it so playing thorns is unviable because you're damaged scales with your health, no more temper means no more health which is no more meaningful damage.

[@AnatoleVGC]

I understand removing that temper but they should have moved that passive rank to somewhere else, like an aspect or a unique item so that thorns is still viable

[@tomtomkowski7653]

they only removed "immortal" tempers like Gutteral Yell or Martial Vigor but not Imposing Presence. And I think this was a good move because other classes can't temper "immortal" passives e.g. Druid can't temper IronFur, Vigilance, or Heightened Senses.

[@lilredthabest]

@@tomtomkowski7653i dont want to sound stupid but wasn’t literally EVERYONE running just imposing presence for more toughness where tf did this “ immortal “ barb 💩 come from ? i thought that was only the sorcs ?

[@Wabbajack-t7p]

​@@lilredthabest You could temper martial vigor and get 100% dmg reduction against elites so not quite immortal but you probably get the point.

[@almightyj6508]

@@Wabbajack-t7pyeah that’s not what immortal means no one was running guttural yell

[@habeaskorpus6217]

I think instead of removing the protection tempers, they should have considered just reducing gutteral and martial by 1% or capped to 1 rank on temper so the 100% isn't obtainable instead. It is also weird to nerf imposing while also removing the temper, which ruins thorns viability. There is also just a lot of double dipping into nerfs across the board with barb. For example, we get caps to paragon nodes, but then they nerf key passives almost as if not considering what impact the paragon node change alone will have on the numbers. The idea of dipping into nerfing several things at once are going to result in damage feeling bad if you aren't using optimal gear with a more meta build. I will also add that they consistently nerf damage when as far as I know, even with current numbers no one is doing tier 200 pits.

[@Araturion]

Core skills was weak and now they are probably unplayable. I don't understand why they nerf unconstrained, walking arsenal and unbridled rage when it is bash, flay that was extremely OP and beserker ripping and dust devils and bleed from dust devils that is OP. Are the devs happy when core skills are so weak. The tool tip says powerful attacks. I want to hit demons with my weapons and not play a caster and spawn dust devils and holy bolts and never hit anything with my weapons. And why nerf when we have the pit? Polearm will probably be alot better than the grandfather with the changes to Gushing wounds.

[@etrosknight2254]

Yeah since release they systematically destroyed Whirlwind, then Upheaval, then HOTA, and Rend has never been good. I know people wanted a Frenzy barb like in D3 but that doesn't mean only generator skills should do damage lol

[@sixtynine226]

The bash itself wasn't that big of an issue. The bleeds however, those I agree were absurd. I would've much preferred to bring up other classes to the level of direct bash and adjust the bleeds.

[@BloodyElbow707]

@@sixtynine226 well in their mind, just gutting barb is easier unfortunately, than actually making 3 other classes up to its level. and that just makes most things less fun. they just nerf so much like d4 is some super competitive game, when the vast majority of people just play it pve lol. its a revolving door with blizzard, nerfing shit to the ground is their mo, has been for 2 decades now

[@Asdfqwerty12341]

@@BloodyElbow707I know, part of me just wishes they would get rid of PVP all together and in its place put like a PVE Raid Zone or just something else. Whenever I’m on the PvP zones are always dead and some classes are very difficult to balance around them. It’s just frustrating with all of the hard caps and temper nerfs instead of just bringing under utilized builds up. I liked how Rob mentioned soft caps in a previous video and would definitely agree that these hard caps limit build diversity. There’s gotta be a better way to combat power creep without compromising and gutting the builds that people are having fun with.

[@captaincrossplay]

Diablo 4 Timeline: 2023: 2 weeks of fun while release 2024: 2 weeks of fun while Season 4

[@Rohirrim009]

You forgot 2 weeks of fun when DLC comes out and thats it

[@captaincrossplay]

@@Rohirrim009 True 😂

[@dublinduster]

Spiritborn will be absolutely broken OP, and then they will nerf it into the ground, classic blizz balancing incoming

[@captaincrossplay]

@@dublinduster safe!

[@Shipdacheese]

Season 2 was fun too. I've no idea what they're doing here tbh...

[@BatDad-qu4fo]

I know it looks like Barb got kicked in the teeth, but it's possible some of these nerfs were necessary to compensate for the unique reworks. Everyone got super upset when they saw the Bash temper reduced to 1/5th it's previous strength, but once they tested it on the PTR with the new unique sword, it was still super strong. The Walking Arsenal is really the only nerf that seems completely unjustified since I don't think the buffs were that big to begin with, which is likely why nobody was even playing it. Gushing Wounds will probably still be strong as well.

[@sols.2525]

I never like nerfs based on gear. First, gear is RNG. Second, said gear becomes mandatory making everyone pick the same stuff even more than they do already. If you are unlucky and dont have that gear then your damage sucks.

[@BatDad-qu4fo]

@@sols.2525 I can certainly understand that, but I'm just saying that if they didn't lower some of these effects, while adding some of the new unique items, then it would be even more out of control. Also, they've made gear, including uniques, much easier to get and you can even target farm them next season, so it'll be kind of hard to not have the uniques you want. I personally would rather have a strong build because of unique gear rather than because I got lucky with tempering.

[@tituscrow4951]

The problem is by the time you can get any of the good gear that character is basically finished. Or it just won’t drop for you etc etc. a bad way to try & do things. IMO.

[@Kanoog]

@@tituscrow4951 it RUINS the experience of the start of a season to the end. because if you need END of season LOOT odds are you are already getting massive burnout and what the fuck do you do with the best gear when you have BiS? Just spam the same shit you already did hundreds of times to get the BiS gear? It's stupid as hell. It's not WOW when you use that gear to clear higher content, the pit is just a glorified numbers game.

[@tituscrow4951]

@@Kanoog yep you get it. It blew my mind that stuff like HQ and grandfather only drop from basically the last things to fight in game. It’s like. Got it! - 😐 see you next season. - Wait! You don’t wanna use it? On what? 🤷🏻‍♂️ There’s nowhere deeper or darker to do. 🪦

[@K1m9857]

The most cynical thing blizzard can due to nerf rogue and barb to the same base as the other three is to disable the weapon that isnt being used, ie if you are using frenzy or double swing..... you will have the stats of the duel wield weapons while the two hander weapon's stats,tempers, and aspects get disabled until you use a skill that uses it.... But of course blizzard wont do that..... And yet barb players are complaining about nerfs when they have more builds, weapons, and aspects than any other class Barbs been op for a few seasons Calm down

[@b.banner_hulk6867]

PIT boss stacks is a big loss. I hate the stack mechanic in general and wish it wasn't in the game for any boss. I'd rather just have mechanics but no stack that will guarantee your death no matter what. Stupid.

[@albeon81]

Season 4 has been awesome and they just have to scale back the fun. I don’t understand

S4 was fun now it's same 5 builds boooringggg this game needs major balance if you want power creep D3 is for you.

[@nonoeverhart9526]

All my excitement for season 5 just died, thanks blizzard.

[@FocusplusPassion]

I don't understand why they nerf Barb .No one want that happen we just need our beloved class become as strong as Barb.

[@bigyoks4694]

This is how I know they don’t play their own game lol, they just see KZbin clips and “oh that’s way to strong” every barb build got GUTTED and it’s gonna feel like shit

[@adamjohanssonn]

yea thats what happens when everyone complains about barb being too op, should have complaineda bout other classes being too weak instead

[@hadzien]

​@@adamjohanssonn then you get D3 numbers ffs

[@Klingles]

Nerfs suck but barb was way too strong and their nerfs probably will still leave them stronger than other classes. Now they'll only be twice as good as every other class instead of 500 time as good.

[@gl8862]

Good

[@BloodyElbow707]

@@gl8862 yeah hopefully they nerf every single good spec/build to the ground for every class, then you can say good. while every spec/buil/class feels like dog shit, great logic you dummy

[@hazsneax]

pit bosses are ass as it is.... this is only going to make it worse sorry but the mechanic where the boss randomly pulls other bosses abilities to attack with is pretty unoriginal and just feels like the bad parts of metamorph got copied and pasted for the entire theme.

[@danielsecara]

I really dont understand some of those barb nerfs. Was Walking Arsenal that strong? LUL Their game philosophy seems weird and my copium levels for season 5 are depleting.

[@Rob2628]

I agree & gave this feedback right when I learned about it

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Devs can't play their own game so what do you expect?

[@dsmwookie3465]

Nerfing walking arsenal just shows they have no idea what they are doing. This plus the pit boss stacks is enough for me to find another game. I understand changes need to be made, but holy shit. Rob can't even put a positive spin on this our boy was defeated. Clearly devs saw ppl having fun on barb and we're like nah none of that shit. Make your other classes enjoyable and then modify barb. Putting caps on the legendary nodes, sure, that's reasonable. Absolutely dumpstering all of our passives, tempers, and defense while buffing everyone is lazy. See you guys on another game.

[@AlexandraSpeaks]

Barb should be nerfed harder

[@Kraken9888]

What a problem with nerfing the barbarian, instead of leaving him and boosting the rest, they do it the other way around. In the end it won't be worth playing with him. 😡

[@victorsoto4821]

Power creep

[@johngunawanw300]

Do they realize that people playing their game caused of high DPS billion damages, people love to beat the game, kill the bosses and hunt the treasures, but they call it as Bugs? They keep NERFing, let’s see the crowds will be gone. Do they want to go back to Season 1 when people says many bad things about D4. Stop Nerfing!!

[@taborevan]

not one single minion buff wat a complete waste of time an barb still needs nerfed

[@Kakarot_Sports]

Barb had one season where Overpower was viable and one season where bleed was viable so now we need to be put back into season 0 status. Blizzard is clueless. Whirlwind and GW was unplayable for almost a year, they fix it too far and now it’s gone again. Same with HOTA, we had one season when it was broken, now it’s just broken in the other direction. Barb didn’t need all these nerfs. They could have dialed back bleeds but to destroy thorns, remove bleeds, and remove unconstrained - it’s ridiculous. There is never one single season that builds upon the previous. S4 adds tempering. S5 adds super uniques that don’t require tempering.

[@marsovac]

Something costing double fury is not a downside for the barb. It is an upside. You spend more so you buff yourself more, and you have infinite fury anyway.

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

I don’t like the seasonal mechanic, I hate bricking items and the way the tempering system works, I don’t like the cooldown nerfs and the hard cap changes. They still haven’t addressed Druid or Sorc class balance problems, they NEED to add at 2 least more aspects slots. There are no buffs they can make to the class that will overcome the missing aspect slots they desperately need. All in all this season looks like a skip for me.

[@tasandmnm69]

I wish they would have just target nerfed what was causing the major issues with Barb instead of nerfing things that didnt need it. They needed brought in line but I question Blizzards methods. Also I will echo others comments that I wish they just would have given Druid/Sorc/Necro another item slot which would also help with build diversity. Especially with Druids we are SO aspect starved because we require a lot of aspects/umiques fof basic functionality.

[@chrisbenson98]

Still think uniques including Ubers should get a separate tempering manual that can be used to raise the cap on select paragon glyphs.

[@realpanda4243]

Barb: And it's gone......

[@Aridity12]

Ser. Burning instinct is not getting a "massive buff" 😂 I honestly don't know why you say such things. It's going -50% from Live. Your average build gets about x130% Fire, now it's 80 max.

[@Nyx__]

Hydra 14-18% Damage. Yeah these devs don't play the game. They can buff minions with 1000% damage, but can't give hydra more than 25% base damage buff lol.

[@nuke_looter5174]

Personally I think the boss debuffs are terrible in general being incredibly difficult to avoid a lot of the times with no real good attack indicators basically the whole one shot mechanic in any game is never fun especially when they already have billions and millions of health and they need to fix tempering because more times than not you’ll see the same one or two affixes out of 3 or 4 affixes almost every single roll whic mathematically makes absolutely no sense.

[@chancecoffey4887]

"We're gonna bring other classes up to the Barb level" Yea that should be pretty easy considering they took the nerf barb route. They need to quit with all this nerfing shit

[@nicholasstokes3087]

They need to not be balancing around content creators! Most casual players will never make a build to the potential a content creator does🙄

[@captaincrossplay]

Season 5 Theme: Mediocre patch to loose all remaining players 😢🤦🏻‍♂️

[@darkdraconis]

Barbs are crying Wolf again, this is easily the 10th time I heard barb only players cry about nerfs and how barb is dead just for barb to be the best class by a Longshot

[@bastiphantasty7147]

Why nerf barb ffs? Nerf sorc or something

[@darkdraconis]

@@bastiphantasty7147 lmao don't give them ideas dude

[@borg111]

The items slots don't just provide damage for Barbs. They also get health, other stats, and another legendary aspect! How do these changes help Sorcs and Druids in that area?

[@etrosknight2254]

That's probably why all of the other nerfs to Barbs came, so that maybe with their extra aspects and tempers they'll end up at a similar level to the other classes

[@artherir]

Blizzard truly needs to understand that we don't need all meta builds to get nerfed, we need all the other options to get buffed to be at least viable. You can't have build variety if you are constantly nerfing man, you no longer feel strong if you are not using the meta

[@HoustonPlaysGames]

The game is way too easy, we do need meta builds to be nerfed and trash builds to be buffed so everything meets in the middle. Otherwise it’s just unrestrained power creep.

[@Mesoz]

I'm fine with some nerfs, ie build x is leaps and bounds above anything else. But for the most part yeah I agree, underperforming builds, classes, ect need to be brought up. Continuously nerfing just further kills build diversity since everyone will be pigeon holed into one build to do anything. The opposite is also true though like in my first example, if x build is just doing so much better than anything else in the game, then of course everyone is just going to play that build. Saying that, no matter the balancing, there will always be a meta, there will always be some build that will perform the best. But generally at least in other arpgs, even through there may be some build that is stupidly strong, there are usually a lot of other builds that are not far behind it.

[@artherir]

@@HoustonPlaysGames as much as I agree, Blizzard is hardly trying to take stuff to the middle ground, and putting difficulty not in new or harder mechanics, but just giving stuff gazillion health, and restraining the damage of any build that is not meta

[@MD99.]

I think speed farming 101's will still be okay for WWDD but anything more would be miserable without insane gear but Rogue is looking to be the king spec now.

[@mitroaxxl8457]

Yeah sure, but with 4 ubers lol

[@craigshelhammer5683]

And just like that d4 bad meme is back on the menu. Sucks ,s4 seemed to be a step in the right direction, this just shows the devs truly have 0 fucking clue what theyre doing.

[@MrGlass-]

To me, it’s two different leads that don’t align with their direction on Diablo. Odd team nerfs every time and cages the player while the even team says let’s make this fun

[@craigshelhammer5683]

@@MrGlass- you're not wrong,I've always thought it odd that there's 2 teams,it means there will never be a cohesive vision,it will always be like this.

[@Sylar589]

I enjoy Barb but this is the right move. Other classes feel too bad when u play them after u try Barb

[@belthazor9090]

then buff them , do not cut barb !!

[@tomtomkowski7653]

@@belthazor9090 they had to. To one-shot Uber bosses was a stupid idea. Let all classes do billions of damage per second? THen what? Oh... buff all bosses and NPCs. The end result would be the same as if you would just nerf Barb.

[@hadzien]

Finally some common sense, I played two barbs and tbh shit was absurd.

[@bambuchigui]

@@belthazor9090 you guys should have an option on the tooltips to add how many 000 you guys want on your damage without fucking the game

[@wheezytea]

Every time there is a barb on screen I just sigh and think “well I guess I’ll just watch” because I can’t keep up with them they kill everything instantly and it’s not fun to be around.

[@darkinsanity98473]

Close range nerf is dumb, small and unnecessary, nerfs are almost never a good thing.

[@brillsmith2207]

why do blizz even bother its embarrasing the sec its released a build x10 stronger than others will be found and everyone will play it. they shouldnt try to nerf things just buff others up to the same level and fix all the damn broken shit.

[@audriusg1536]

people crying about barb getting nerf... jeez... it was matter of time. They were way to strong anyway.

[@lukebrady65]

The Barbarian key passives needed to be nerfed. The other classes key passives were pathetic in comparison.

[@The94super]

They need to add something where if and or when we brick items we can recover them but of course at a great cost. As in so much so that it has to be the absolute item we need for said build to even fathom it type of deal.

[@mtchl8]

the whole comment section crying about barbs, but i am 100% sure barbs would be fine. blizzard's favorite class.

[@HarryPlopper420]

We’re 1 year+ into D4, and the devs are STILL tuning class skills instead of focusing on adding skills or interactions with gear special affixs. When will we be out of Beta

[@danielmuller2695]

No Lucky Hit Chance increases for sorc skills, could really increased the lucky hit chance of Hydras at least.

[@MrKubecc]

Wow barb is so fun in S4 lets nerf it completely, hope players like it

[@bruta]

playing one but I don't mind if they keep nerfing barb, feels like 75% of d4 population

[@edenknight777entertainment5]

Not even playing S5. Done with Blizzard, they legit suck at their own job.

[@AlexandraSpeaks]

Mad barb main you should get nerfed even more for being carried non stop by your class

[@edenknight777entertainment5]

@@AlexandraSpeaks Wtf is with the hostility coming at me like that you bat out of hell. I’ve played every class in the damn game how tf you going to accuse me of anything when you don’t fking know me you weirdo.

[@MidnightNeonLabs]

Diablo1, Diablo2 is a diablo game, Diablo 3 is still a diablo game. Diablo4 is NOT a diablo game.

[@Kagrab]

got this feeling S5 wount be worth playing, might take a break this season sadly...

[@Patar504]

Every odd season has been trash. Holding out for 6 with the dlc.

[@blazedehart2748]

Yeah. I will probably stick to D2R and LE and wait for S6.

[@sixtynine226]

If only they made leaderboards just like D3. They would immedately know what needs to be adjusted. It feels like they're just guessing. Also if there are no major tempering adjustments, I think this will be another one I will sit out after such promising S4 which was actually fun initially.

[@stephenwebster659]

You sure that math is right? 1 billion damage to 29 million is a 97% nerf 😂😂😂

[@user-ix7jp6cl2x]

stating NOW that they will be holding back content until the mid season patch is cringe as fuck

[@pacotera]

- Exp bonus and enchanting is HUGE win! Mindcages are nice! - World boss resilience... what about the rewards? I just kill the world bosses when I am not doing anything and because its quick. Now I dont know if i will unless there are good rewards. - Pit Bosses stacks? Good bye melee chars! That sucks! - Tempering... if they dont want to change it, just get rid of it already! Tempering just get worse and worse! The game has already TOO MUCH rng! - Uniques and Classes main stats looks nice... lets see if its enough to balance! - Infernal hordes looks better, but we need to see it working! - the classes balance is hard to put a finger on it, so many times we thought it was going to be good and it was bad! We need to see it working!

[@Amairghin]

Sorry but these changes are underwhelming and stupid i PERSONALLY skip season 5.

[@MrJeremydb91]

Fix tempering…or no thanks lol. Not even close to enough, just going to feel even worse bricking stuff with GA when you roll the same thing 8 times in a row.

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yeah its demoralizing, and just remembering tempering kinda kills my hype.

[@HDPolarBear]

Ye just allow us to keep the last rolled affix. Feels bad to have some tempers in the bank but afraid to try for a higher %. Otherwise system is great.

[@MrJeremydb91]

@@HDPolarBear not sure I’d go with “great” as a description for the system, but to each their own. It feels horrible to roll the same thing over and over, maybe if they made it so you never got the same one twice so at least your odds were improved. It’s not like the other temper options are a small damage decrease, it’s either a huge damage increase or something completely useless for your build in most cases. I think there is too much power in tempering, I’d rather see them lower temper power and put more power in masterworking.

[@daedricxv2099]

I'll still play the season, but once im done with everything, I'll be back on D2. Finally got to build Enigma for the first time ever.

[@doctordoom73]

Why don't these Devs get it, they have a class "The Barb" in a good state why nerf it why not buff the other classes to be in line with the Barb so all classes feel good to play & are powerful smh

[@marsovac]

Two weapon slots are worth way more than 16% :D Something like 50%, and they are also worth in survival since you roll life on weapons.

[@d4mephisto]

so they nerfed imposing presence from 6% per rank down to 5% per rank. now that the barbarian protection temper is REMOVED, can our passive at least get buffed back to 6% per rank? I want my 18% max hp for 3/3 ranks, instead of just 15%. especially since this is like classic blizzard style of double / over-nerfing things that only need ONE nerf, NOT TWO

[@darkdraconis]

It needed 5 nerfs tbh

[@aleksfreeman3627]

@@darkdraconis your brain needed some buff, i would say

[@darkdraconis]

@@aleksfreeman3627 what are you doing going around being super negative all the time and randomly insulting people... How old are you? According to your comments on this channel you skipped season 1-3 and you are planning on skipping season 5 to wait for season 6, great now pls stop insulting people Have a great day

[@x1Blz]

What even happen to the item with "imposing presence"? People farmed weeks for it or bought it for bilions. Its a joke, instead of just nefing it, the items is unusable or gone? For real?

[@aleksfreeman3627]

@@darkdraconis love stalkers! Can just say - fuck you :) I'm doing and saying what i want, who you are to stop me?

[@SBaydem]

Hi, Why Blizzard is not doing anythin about PiT Group Playing? All players must get same amount of reward at the end of Pit Boss kill, Like diablo 3 Greater Rift runs. Without Group play at PiT there will be no proper end game activity. They have very good example like Diablo 3 Greater Rift but no one asking this to blizzard and Blizzard is not doing anything about end game. After 3-4 weeks game is becaming incredibly boring. Why they are oushing us to play SOLO? If there is same amount people can play SOLO if they want too. This is so weird.

[@babyappa1122]

Your key passive gave you 60 times dmg and your temper gave you 500k life and you think that was fine? Buffing other classes to that level instead of nerfing is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

[@jw3807]

Bone spirit dominating the pit but barbs get nerfed into the ground.

[@DavidLee07]

Even if they say they're nerfing barb you know they'll leave huge lanes to protect their favorite class, lol. May just need to find them.

[@marwangaming4708]

Mark my word, this season will be completely dead. These nerfs show me that they have infact not learned anything from pre season 1 nerfs. Nerfing shatter passive to an already horendous class is just insult to injury.

[@traviswilliams4669]

Good to know anyone that plays barb should just skip S5.

[@AlexandraSpeaks]

Hopefully those casuals stay gone

[@UlfhednarTV]

I was expecting nerfs to key passives but not to walking arsenal and I reaaally wanted to try it next season. Welp bleed barb here we go again EZ

[@sig5430]

them adding stacks to the pit bosses is a big negative thing for me

[@chris0nelson]

They went scorched earth on our boy. I’m not upset with you Rob just disappointed with Blizzard. I don’t have high hopes for season 5.

[@txhookey5608]

Windforce isn't Windforce without the knockback. They missed the whole point of bringing back some of the legacy items.

[@joeyardon761]

Windforce sucks compared whit D2

[@j0a0m4]

The knockback effect actually makes windforce not work well with barrage so it's a good change in this regard

[@thierryfaquet7405]

Except knockbacks are effect we dont want. You want packed ennemies, not spread out. It’s a good change

[@txhookey5608]

They should rename the bow to something else that works well with Barrage. The point is that Knockback was the best feature of the Legacy Windforce bow. They should find a skill or stats that compliments compliment the knockback and call that bow "Windforce".

[@vapixdarmana4428]

Sometimes you have to sacrifice flavor for usability.

[@bmark6971]

I moved on to TFD for now until i see how bad the season is. Those devs were asked about OP builds and they said "try harder" 😂