New Serbian M-84AS1. The best T-72 modernization yet.

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[@ifureadthis_urgay]

N word

[@alexanderlarsen6412]

let's go strv 122

[@trainspotterfromuvaly6374]

What about a video on t72 scarab?

[@NoName-xv4sg]

But I already have it

[@JustPeasant]

Hey, Red. What makes the base armor of a T-90A?

[@n2knolove]

This damn beautifull ERA blocks arrangement

[@Limescale12]

it's nice, right?

[@n2knolove]

@@Limescale12 better than every T-72 variants.

[@deathdragon2283]

I think it even beats the T90Ms arrangement

[@n2knolove]

@@deathdragon2283 T-90MS Hmm... She is beautiful in another way

[@merlotingreigory3606]

@@n2knolove I mean, the T-72 looks beautiful bare na- I mean, bare bones. Also, the T-80 variants looks nice in a more practical-ish way, same with the T-90A. The T-90AM just looks gorgeous in a modern setting

[@RogueBeatsARG]

I love how ERA can make a tank looks futuristic and also like a Minecraft creation

[@balkancommenterwithseveree7552]

Take the M95 Degman for example, it's a T72 and it looks like it went thru the Japanese Adult Film Genitals treatment.

[@vintzvi3406]

0:16 “It’s not unusual for serbia to give same designation multiple times” *USA: “HOLD MY GARAND”*

[@rodrigogascagomez5190]

Every time I hear "the US M1" without context my head spins

[@rotardavid5121]

Or M4

[@philemon26]

M1 Garand M1 Bayonet M1 Carbine M1 Mortar M1 Helmet M1 Rocket Launcher (bazooka) M1 Thompson M1 Armored Car M1 Abram (add more here)

[@andersonarmstrong2650]

Serbs are the best guys to fight alongside..

[@profesercreeper]

What is the song he plays during that scene?

[@livepolmo8081]

The most satifiying era Placement in a tank

[@joaomiguelmoreira6363]

T-90 MS is quite nice also

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@joaomiguelmoreira6363 It's also a superior tank. Superior gun in every way, better penetration tank ammunition. Its new welded turret (from Object 187-prototype No.6) alone without ERA offers 800mm + don't forget the ERA-RELIKT, that completely encases the turret. Engine is 1130 horse power, but, the Serbs did figure out how make a 1200hp that can fit inside the regular M-84 hull. We'll see what the future brings, as there is Phase2 getting underway. For what it's worth, this is better than nothing.

[@russiandispenser8482]

@@StefanBlagojevic T-90MS je gradjen na osnovi T-90A koji je samo dobio novu kupolu, dok je sasija i hull ostao isti, tako da mozemo koristito i Ruske motore kao taj sto je u T-90MS

[@HanSolo__]

They should go for Czech (Czechoslovakian) Dyna ERA design. Obtain, improve and provide into the armor of this beast. Just like Poles did (for example for Czech T-72M4CZ). Serbia has today most capable post Cold War era tank industry in central Europe. If the tank lacks the power, you can also take a look at T-72M4CZ. It has awesome engine and transmission but still kinda old gun and very old turret. I guess you cant get all of it in some reasonable money.

[@shredderium5130]

@@russiandispenser8482 kupola je ista ali na t 90ms dodatna municija je zasticena kao i automatski punjac takodje ima avganit kevlarno cebe koje daje dodatnu zastitu protiv srapnela

[@tomvobbe9538]

People don't give them enough credit. Serbian are very innovative and creative.

[@mangodzeri18]

Yes but all money we will spend on bitches and rakiya 💪

[@idiosinkrazijske.rutine]

Thanks

[@isidorpetrovic1465]

Jaka muda si ti sad izmislio..pa od trulog zapada smo bar 3puta pametniji..zato nas se toliko i plasite ..namerno nisam napisao na engleskom..😂

[@patrikcarga]

​@@isidorpetrovic1465a imaš ovi auto translate shit tako da on može prečitati što si napisao

[@isidorpetrovic1465]

@@patrikcarga pa too too..nek se pomuci malo da prevede..

[@fadel_wibowo0752]

designer: how many ERA blockes do you want? random serb dude: yes

[@apple222sickly]

Designer : How do you want to modernize a T-72? That one serb : i agree

[@tihomirkatancevic5298]

we are interesting people guys :D l am from Serbia btw

[@sbj1277]

@@apple222sickly that's a. M 84. It's based on the T72 but has Yugoslav electronics etc

[@lazarduke6596]

@@sbj1277 ..Yugoslavia is no more, for 30 years....it wouldn't be an upgrade if electronic is that old

[@sbj1277]

@@lazarduke6596 I am speaking about the original model of m84 not about m84as2.

[@Sturmv0gel]

That moment when you upgrade a T-72 so much it turns into a T-90A

[@Sturmv0gel]

M-84AS

[@shredderium5130]

T 90a is a better tank it has a lot better protection because it has redesained turet with a lot more composite armor and it has kontakt 5 ero on top so it has like 800 mm of armor

[@azrael9016]

@@shredderium5130 protection wise it is indeed better, but FCS not really. Commander in M84AS1 has CITV and BMS which is very very important and T-90A lacks those.

[@shredderium5130]

@@azrael9016 i talked only about armor but you are correct about CITV and BMS that means a lot for tank crew

[@shredderium5130]

@@azrael9016 but im worried because im not sure this new ero alone can take hit from modern apfsds projectiles without redesigned turet but i think there is small chance that they will add in 2nd fase Trophy ATS but im not sure we will se

[@fuldaman1691]

White eagle, now this..Man serbia is rockin with these t72's.

[@lazarjovanovic4388]

@Stefan Milovanović we are

[@cvarak3784]

this is not t72 this is m84

[@fuldaman1691]

@@cvarak3784 M84 is just a slight modification of the T-72

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@fuldaman1691 M-84 is superior xd

[@IAmAsh01]

KajMak64Bit Yes, but if you did not have the T-72, you would not have the m84.

[@Alexander29854]

Well done Serbia here in Greece still we are thinking about to build our first assault rifle see we have the habit to buy from dealers around the world not a serious country’s choice...

[@ДејанЛазић]

Unfortunately, all Greek weapons are of American and German origin

[@DestroyerJoni20]

@@ДејанЛазић there's nothing wrong with that, the only thing is they should produce their own munitions. If they can do that there's no point in making new weapons. I mean look at the british L85A1. The guns all right but when you compare it to a reputable gun like the American Ar-15 platform its pointless getting anything else. Greece should stick to American guns and just start making bullets if they wanna save money.

[@tnix80]

So long as it's a good weapon and you're not completely beholden to the seller nation. 2nd part rules out US

[@Sh4d891]

Build ur own kalash

[@shredderium5130]

You have leo 2a6 tho

[@Fish-kz8xw]

Uh how many equipments with same designation do you want? Serbian military: *YES*

[@darko_dulic]

That was the Yugoslav military

[@AintImpressed]

US military: Hold my beer!

[@TheGranicd]

@@darko_dulic Same tradition of naming is still in use.

[@nenadrajic9740]

@@AintImpressed Hold my M1*

[@quisqueyanguy120]

US Military: I'll take your entire *M1* stock!

[@AdmiralGrafSpee100]

The tank looks very nice.

[@sinclair6555]

Damn , I love the look of it. They did great aesthetic wise, I'll say that much!

[@superbrain3848]

its all Serbian sales tactic to name everything the same. if you order 100 M-84 its usually to late when they deliver you 100 Machine guns instead of Tanks. (i know this should not be happen mostly due to the Price difference but bad communication can cause it)

[@MrTangolizard]

Superbrain like when u order a rug on wish and it turns up the size of a handkerchief

[@EbonyPhoenix]

man these Serbs really need machine guns if they are willing to spend millions on one.....

[@Dimitrije_Sukovic]

That's genuinely too stupid to be real. Firstly, I can't imagine anyone not clearly specifying they want tanks instead of machine guns; and secondly, anyone who can afford 100 tanks isn't even going to notice the cost of 100 MGs and will just see it as an inconvenience.

[@vladimirdosen6677]

@@Dimitrije_Sukovic Superbrain....

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

@@Dimitrije_Sukovicwow.

[@hristiqng]

Serbia upgrades it's T-84 and got brand new jets from Russia for free. Meanwhile in Bulgaria we still use the outdated T-72 and I mean the clean T-72. We scrapped our army, AFV's, most of our "tanks" and most of our planes just to buy 8 F-16 kites that we won't see untill 2025 or something. Keep going my Serbian brothers never give up and stay with Russia unlike our stupid politicians! Слава на братята Славяни! 🇧🇬☦🇷🇸☦🇷🇺

[@VojislavMoranic]

Dude Bulgaria used to have fucking KUD missiles, thousands of tanks, apcs etc. Then when you joined NATO suddenly everything goes away and you are forced to buy US and western shit forcing your own factories to close down.

[@hristiqng]

@@VojislavMoranic This is called being a puppet of the west syndrome

[@igor7195]

Serbia got old 30 years old jets and this is only makeup for TV and parades, our both countries got puppet goverments and condition in our both armies is worse than ever...

[@kokarda97]

Hey i read about Bulgaria scraping its equipment on wikipedia but i never managed to get a source on that. What happened, why did you do it? Also, what exactly did you scrap and how much? Wikipedia lists hundreds of tanks and APCs and then it just adds"Most of this equipment has been scrapped?"

[@aleksandarmilosevic5668]

@@igor7195 šta lupaš? Kako tvoja familija?

[@ghostofathens6600]

Serbia and Greece should work together to make new armored vehicles and tanks

[@davideb.4290]

It would be extra cool, maybe even Italy should join, since we have mountainous borders, like Greece, and low budget, since we spend most of the money on navy. We have pretty similar requirments

[@nenadrajic9740]

@@davideb.4290 But that will probably never happen cause yall im NATO and we aint

[@kurama567]

@@nenadrajic9740 In future yes it will.

[@tamaskazup6560]

If the greek army need a new,cheap,and very effective service rifle,buy the serbian M-21 ..

[@sirmustard5337]

Greece and work shouldn’t be in the same sentence together

[@baronvonandroid3363]

*Very Nice Serbians friends 🇹🇩❤️🇷🇸:)))👍👍👍*

[@jplabs456]

I must say. This thing looks EPIC.

[@Tribalpotato]

Random dude from Serbia: "Hey this modernization of our tank looks rly good" Everybody else: "Yeah it looks cool" Random albanian guy: "itS nOt SerBIaAN Its RuSSIAan"

[@slobodanisailovic8281]

Yes it is Russian, but we bought licence to make our version of tenk and this version M-84AS1 is very good. Maybe the best of all the others versions of T-72 tenks. All the best for you and everybody who watching this army chanel....

[@Sh4d891]

@@slobodanisailovic8281 da

[@lukam8815]

@@slobodanisailovic8281 Ej brate, engleski nije tolko težak, trebalo bi da ga naučis

[@slobodanisailovic8281]

@@lukam8815 Luka, živim u Bgd i učio sam ga samo u školi gramatiku i malo po putovanjima kroz Evropu. Tačno je da nije tečan ali sve razumem i mogu da se sporazumem.... nije težak ali za moj posao i više nego dovoljno...pozz

[@simachmasgof8445]

@@slobodanisailovic8281 thanks slobadong

[@nebscale4192]

Damn what a pretty clean looking tank

[@nikodimus86]

"It's not unusual for Serbia to give the same designation." "If we don't know what we are doing, then the enemy can't know either." :D

[@MemeBall21]

😂

[@AtomEyed]

i just died from this one xD

[@nenad632]

Its a tactical 😉

[@muhammadtaufiqhailkhairila2790]

The ERA block and rhe tank looks cool

[@lizakhan7353]

Other: you can't do more improvement in T-72 tank Serbian military: hold my beer 😃

[@njegosh1]

"Hold my sljivovica" to be exact! Serbian national drink is plum brandy called sljivovica, but otherwise you are right ;) Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia!

[@_____Z_____]

They are surely dumb

[@hannibalotte449]

Bruh

[@vukle1]

@@njegosh1 or rakija

[@cvarak3784]

@@vukle1 a sljivovica nije rakija???? Boze

[@Gravemind2073]

Serbia: names everything the same thing USA: are you challenging me?

[@deathdragon2283]

Looks like we’ve got to name another dozen things M1 to assert our dominance

[@generalkenobi5173]

@@deathdragon2283 Murica!

[@deathdragon2283]

I think I’ve found my favorite looking T72 upgrade. Shame it’s got subpar base armor. If Russia took heed of this and made an upgrade similar to it, they’d for sure have the best T-72s.

[@100СРБИН]

Wait the ERA is wery good))

[@ruskibot7745]

As far as I know the base armor is superior to most T-72s, maybe not the B3 but the original M-84 was far superior to any other T-72 variant at the time of its construction.

[@handsomeivan1980]

They did, it's the T90. If you're referring to current T72's they have upgraded base armor, and kontact 5, and CITV now

[@saucy743]

@@ruskibot7745 I'm not sure if was. The T-72B definitely had superior hull armour. Albeit for the turret, the NERA vs Quartz debate is quite contested. But the M-84 did have better FCS.

[@Mico605]

Serbian naming scheme is very tactical, because enemy will never know if Serbs are bringing a tank to a fight or a pistol since they are both named the same 😂

[@alenbico9021]

Damn imagine if Yugoslavia was still a thing, the shear amount of production and modernization would be insane. It would also be sick to see a modernized M91 Vihor

[@ARMAJOV]

Serbia strong!

[@sele5129]

Stronk* :D

[@ShaquilleONeil]

@@sele5129 tiririri ti tiriri tiririiti

[@grabjasen9945]

govno ki kovno

[@mckokan2306]

TANKS for watching xD

[@Јасеновац1941]

Next year in Prizren......

[@mrberisha8155]

From 2016 you are saying next year in Prizeren I wait you and see you nowhere lol

[@norths21]

@@mrberisha8155 Jews were waiting for 2000 years but they still got their goal ;)

[@a.m.5581]

@@mrberisha8155 More of a form of speech, once war actually breaks out itll turn into a reality

[@mrberisha8155]

@@a.m.5581 We are ready anytime ....

[@a.m.5581]

@@mrberisha8155 Alright, you guys gonna ask for US support again or?

[@Leo73srb]

this is just the beginning.... there will be more and more upgrades, both on armored vehicles and on other military weapons

[@marcodelguerra]

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET ALL THIS INFORMATION??? RED EFFECT YOU ROCK!!! AWESOME JOB!!!

[@mihajlo572]

@@ВукВуксановић sve ostale recenzije su smešne u odnosu na ovu

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@RedEffect THANK GOD, AT LAST! Really enjoyed this news video bro. I'm sure we can all agree that, the Serbs don't need T-72B1MS "White Eagle". I do wonder though, how will the end result stack up against a Russian T-72B2 Rogatka. Best regards and keep up the great work! Serbia iZ Stronk! 💪💪💪

[@cdgncgn]

B1 is mid-80s, while M1 is late 70s upgrade in 1981.That said, if B3 is based on obr 89 T-72B, base armor will be superior. I was under impression they were putting down armor plates when modernizing so they probably got something new, or maybe not. However ... B3 has T-90A gun, from 2005 so while not sophisticated in its systems, its armor and gun are actually good.

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

The white eagle is more then needed

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@lukabogdanovic4658 Yeah I concur, I wrote this before I saw them T-72B1MS specs and equipment. It's really well upgraded.

[@习猪头]

Wargaming should make a Yugoslavic line, I want to play the M4 sherman with 122 gun. #Serb

[@vanja2565]

War thunder should as well, much better and more original than Chinese and swedish

[@cursedcliff7562]

Or a T-34 with a chassis that looks like a T-50 with a Panther 75mm

[@TheWolfDude91]

fuck yeah, i would be rocking those serbian skins over the tank while listening to some war songs

[@ultron2-465]

Yea, just a whole Balkan tree, with aircrafts and some tanks like the modernized WW2 vehicles, M84A4, M84D, M95, M84AS1, M80A IFV, etc

[@goblincleaver_mshm.9751]

It's beautiful

[@markusdupree5317]

I can only find out if it’s good in War Thunder

[@cursedcliff7562]

America: we title everything M-something and its super confusing! Serbia: *AMATEUR*

[@gameover_wt7077]

US army has M891A2 with 700mm armor penetration. T72 will not survive

[@ramadhani201]

@@gameover_wt7077 bruh hes just making a joke about the name if his comment is about the armor or gun then yeah your comment gets a pass

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

@@gameover_wt7077 the m892a2 has been taken out of service a long time ago and its penetration at 2km at 0° is 600mm while at less then a killometer is 650mm at 0°.And this isnt a t72 from 1978 lol

[@NATOcommunistDESTROYER]

JAVELIN 💥☠️

[@JohnsonMalarkey]

#GAIJIN We need this Serb beast in War Thunder!

[@Sh4d891]

We need Yugoslavia tech

[@ultron2-465]

@@Sh4d891 we need a own tech tree of Yugoslava and Balkan states. Would like to see M80A IFV, M84A4, M84AS1, M95 Degman, M85D etc

[@Ghost19392]

@@ultron2-465 yes they are beautiful, but if they were to add them they would add them under the Russians because they are wagons that derive from the Soviet ones (for example m84a4 derives from the t-72)

[@ultron2-465]

@@Ghost19392 yeah or like this

[@GENERICNICK-kj4lm]

Or a division of ussr similar to the german tech tree

[@youmad7068]

The thing about Serbia/Yugoslavia naming weapons is that "M" stands for the "model" and other two numbers for year of introduction. So, there can be two items whit same designation because they were intuduced the same year, but never is the same type of weapon, there are no two tanks named the same way, for example there is M84 tank, and M84 machine-gun. The first tank he show in the video is the same tank just earlier in development.

[@chidon7465]

I just learned more about Serbia in the first 30 second than I did growing up in the 90's watching their civil war on TV here in the US.

[@cursedcliff7562]

I wish i wasnt serbian so that everybody doesnt hate my country

[@unknownname6519]

@RadTheLad same as balkan

[@joshicune]

@@cursedcliff7562 please unsubscribe. Already long list who did that and now are haters.

[@BaikalTii]

a very little research will discover even then the western media had agenda. definitely anti-Serbian.

[@mausexx2459]

@@cursedcliff7562 That doesn't change the fact, that yugoslav partisans were a very strong rebellion. Serbia is in my opinion a good country, only, thst the media is clearly anti-Serbian, but that shouldn't bring you down.

[@Meat_Demon]

Serbia strong 💪

[@peracality7648]

D e b a t a b l e

[@lukiusdizdarikus6068]

@@peracality7648 nO

[@peracality7648]

@@SerbonOfficial Compared to other balkan Yugoslavian countries, yes. Compared to everyone else? Not really

[@yusuffirdaus3900]

Wow, thicc ERA plates

[@betonskiorah]

Could you make a video about the BVP M-80 and the Serbian modernization?

[@urosmarsenic9742]

this, it looks like a angry cube with a 30mil and its beautiful

[@IVANBELJIN]

@@urosmarsenic9742 20mm

[@shredderium5130]

@@IVANBELJIN 30mm

[@CH3TN1K313]

Thank you so much for this RE.

[@bosanski_Cevap]

Hmmmm a special name you have there!? Let me guess, you're 13-16?

[@CH3TN1K313]

​@@bosanski_Cevap classic... expose yourselves. George Soros puppets offer the best milk, please continue, don't let me interrupt.

[@The_Lunch_Man]

the era setup is so satisfying to look at

[@davisb1743]

Me an Albanian: I will pretend I didn't see that

[@lazarjovanovic4388]

Hahahahahah

[@Урош-ф7э]

A good one🤣

[@nenadrajic9740]

"New Serbian modernized M84 as1 doesn't exist, it can't hurt you" New Serbian modernized M84 as1:

[@lazarjovanovic4388]

@@nenadrajic9740 HHAHAHAHAHAHHA amazing meme

[@JebacPresretac101]

Hah, I gotta give you props for this comment. This is the funniest one I read today!

[@georgivanev7466]

Talk whatever you want about Serbia, at least they modernise their army for no money with Russia's help.

[@JebacPresretac101]

Not exactly for no money, but yeah, like 5 times cheaper than if we were to use US toys. 16 f-16s cost like 1.5 bln, we got 14 migs for no more than 300 or so mln dollars (original quote was around 140mln dollars but that must have increased since then), and that includes T72s and BMPs in the arrangement. We are basically getting Russian Military prices. Today we and our military also learned that our Chinese toys have arrived as well (UAVs).

[@igor7195]

This is is only makeup for parades and media, Serbia doesn't rly have army since 2000...

[@kurama567]

@Lovricc c www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/06/04/us-state-department-approves-17-billion-sale-of-f-16s-to-bulgaria/

[@vukashin88]

@Lovricc c nemoj da si nekulturan inače čupam uši

[@vanja2565]

@Lovricc c nemoj ti da se brukas F-16 Block 50/52+ je skuplji od nekih verzija F-35.

[@cookies23z]

M80, my rifle, and my rocket launcher :D m57, portable mortar, also my sidearm big brain

[@cdgncgn]

M53/59

[@_Jebb_]

M70? You mean the Mauser, the Kalash or the pistol?

[@cookies23z]

@@_Jebb_ lol :)

[@sebastianflora299]

Good job, specially I like pictures with everything you are explaining!

[@vajaga4624]

Very good indepth video on the M-84 modernization. I have been waiting a long time for it, the serb military too i guess ^^ I wanted to point out one little mistake that @Jonki adressed as well. The first phase of the modernization includes 9 systems, the second phase has 12, which is a total of 21. All in all, I love your videos. Keep up the good work! Thumbs up :)

[@easygroove]

00:20 ROFL .. with that fitting music

[@BaikalTii]

ax, theme for defunct army Војска Републике Српске.

[@ShaquilleONeil]

They said the new engine is going to be put in the new tank during the second stage of the modernisation. I heard 1200 horsepower. Secondly I have heard when president of Serbia talked with the tank commander when he received the tank for further testing, president asked what do you think about new armor and reactive armour and in that moment one dude jumped and said to the president on ear something and then president said something like "ohhh we cannot talk about it, its state secret". Idk what all that means I'm just telling you what I heard. 9 systems are being modernised now and 12 more are going to be modernised and modernisation of the first 9 Systems are going to serial modernisation at the end of the year.

[@SidoniusX]

12 subsystems?? Read more ffs M-84AS1 will get 21 new subsystems !

[@vajaga4624]

True! First phase includes 9 upgrades, the second phase 12. Which is a total of 21 :)

[@kosovoisserbia8937]

@@vajaga4624 +

[@SaviourSword995]

Damn that tank wants me to touch myself. If needed I need Serbia to come here and modernise our T-72 tank. The ERA blocks on our T-72 looks like a toy

[@zuppang361]

aight red, answer my question and *DONT IGNORE THIS!*: *DO YOU LIKE PEANUTS?*

[@matthewkennedy6506]

A great question

[@muhcu.61]

sir this is a wendys

[@Limescale12]

Ignore it, Red...

[@lutin_mi06]

yup.

[@nikolanojic6861]

Hey , i remember lisenting to one guy from military and he said that M84 will recive engines of 1200hp or 1400hp

[@shredderium5130]

Ne postoji motor od 1 400 hp kod nas,a i malo je verovatno da ce da ugrade motor od 1200 jer odna mora sasija tenka da se redizajnira sto nije bas isplativo ja mislim da ce ici ili na 840 ili 1000 videcemo

[@mammothmk3355]

Damn. No wonder almost every country border Serbia is a NATO member. XD

[@kaloyandraganov9462]

Ah yeah nothing scarier than a small outdated army

[@mammothmk3355]

@@kaloyandraganov9462 Still scary. Consider their reputation. So. Smart move. If it was me I will do it without a heartbeat. ;)

[@pride2184]

well all their neighbors our small, serbia has been known to commit crimes against those around them and get away with it soooo.

[@mammothmk3355]

@@pride2184 Which make me wonder: Why wasn't those state just ally themselve and invade Serbia at once? I mean, they are already NATO member, which mean they will have NATO support. Also if Serbia shoot back the entire NATO military will come for aid. Honestly this is a one on milion change to make Serbia pay to what they did in the past right? ;) *Anyone who clings to the historically untrue-and thoroughly immoral-doctrine that 'violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."* Mr. Dubois, Starship Troppers

[@darkmagicaldreamer2503]

@@mammothmk3355 being a Nato member you cant simply started a war and drag the whole block with you. There are rule to avoid the case you mention.

[@zed9095]

Awesome!

[@Apoc_Bone_Daddy]

God I love Serbian weapons ZASTAVA FTW BABY WOOHOOO

[@marjannovoselc7109]

First phase is supposed to have 9 new subsystems and in the second phase 12 more. Together 21 new subsystems - according to serbian defence minister.

[@behroozkhaleghirad]

Serbia is small, but it is quite powerful. It has amazing military industry which has russian support, and a reputation for being a tough to invade country. No wonder all of it's smaller nighbours are sticking together in NATO like scared rats.

[@3dimitrije30]

While we do have some good militray stuff, our leaders are idiots

[@a.m.5581]

@@3dimitrije30 Ma skinucemo tog retarda sa vlasti lagano

[@kixon1872]

Nah its not like that

[@justinian-the-great]

@@3dimitrije30 Our military leaders, generals and other high ranking officers, were very skilled though.

[@dekipet]

Wonderfull comment. Right to the spot. Expect, never in our entire history have we ever had a war against Romania or Greece. Others attacked us.

[@ChildOfVendetta]

M-84 is not "basically same as the T-72" it was based on. Croatian an Serbian M-84s differ because there were a number of small modifications/upgrades during the war(s), but in a nutshell on average M-84s have: - a better FCS which has nothing to with the T-72 FCS - a better main gun - more accurate, more reliable and more durable (manufactured in Yugoslavia) - a better engine - more hp, more reliability and a better engine management system - better tracks which are less prone to breaking - the best production quality when compared to any vehicle based on the T-72 at the time - improved protection from landmines/IEDs for the driver - a turret floor - an armor plate separating the crew from the ammo stored beneath the turret - an improved auto-loader - faster loading and an improved auto-loading control system - better sights - better optics and NVDs on the base m-84 (i think) There is a number of different small upgrades which were designed for the M-84 ranging from modern voice comms and data comms, improved intercom, digital displays, FPE, sideskirts, thermals and remote weapons stations, laser warning receivers coupled with automatic smoke dispensers, improved NBC protection systems... Now let me burst your bubble a bit. All ex-yugoslav armed forces have downsized A LOT since the 90s. Serbia has in the past announced a bunch of defense industry related projects. Most of them have gone nowhere or are "forever-prototypes" with some notable exceptions (Nora SPG). There were a bunch of improvements for the M-84 proposed in Croatia as well. A company in Croatia even made a new turret for the M-84 that features composite "sandwich" armor (the M-95). Most of those projects (both Serbian and Croatian) have gone NOWHERE because of the budget restrains. Secondly, this project was presented to the public right before the elections in Serbia and is, most likely a publicity stunt. Even if it is not, it will take years before it reaches operational readiness.

[@your_waifu_hates_you]

Also just asking isn't the m84a armour based on the t72b or atleast equivalent to it

[@ChildOfVendetta]

@@your_waifu_hates_you Original M-84s had their armor based T-72A, I think while M-84A had its armor based on T-72B. M-84 production started around '84, while M-84A came some years later. I am quite sure that all M-84s today in service are in fact the A variant with its armor based on T-72B, with some improvements. On a side note, a lot of improvements to protection, mine resistance, firepower and FCS have been developed in Croatia ans Slovenia post war. There were also improvements do the instruments inside the tank developed eg. new driver instrument panel. It is unknow how many of these improvements made it to the tanks in service since Croatian govt. deprioritized a lot of military research projects especially during 2000-2003 Račan (Croatian PM) govt. M-84 is since viewed in Croatia as an obsolete platform which should be eventually replaced with something from the west and it does not really make sense to do any major investing in it. Đuro-Đaković, the company that maintains the tanks and the company that made the improvements since moved to license manufacture/assembly of Patria AMVs and to supporting the introduction of Bradley IFVs in Croatian Army. Here is their portfolio: www.duro-dakovic.com/download/documents/read/djuro-djakovic-specijalna-vozila-dd-obrana_31/ Most, if not all, of Serbian upgrades are election cycle stunts. Serbia has already made 3 different upgrade packages for their M-84s. The AS (2004), the AS1 and the AS2. So far there are 2-6 upgraded AS* tanks in the Serbian military. When you look a the Serbian and Croatian military budgets (10-15% difference, bigger budget in Serbia) and factor in that Serbian military has more than twice the number of personnel it is easy to see why. All Ex-Yu militaries reduced a lot in size during 2000s (And that's a good thing!) and are not really seen as priorities by their respective govts. The focus is more on public debt reduction, EU membership, social and welfare programs and keeping the country from falling apart. Someone tag @RedEffect and see if he agrees with my post. It's an old video, but let's see.

[@your_waifu_hates_you]

@@ChildOfVendetta now if the majority of m84as2 upgrades are m84a wouldnt that mean only the fire power of the upgrade package was a problem since with the aded era the armour protection is atleast 700mm of armour againts apfsds maybe even 800 and the tank has a 1000hp engine already so mobility shouldnt be an issue.

[@ChildOfVendetta]

@@your_waifu_hates_you Don't know about armor values, don't really care. As far as I know, mobility was never an issue with M-84s. Croatian ones even have specially modified suspension and tracks designed for helping the tank cope with the specific rocky terrain of Croatian coast. Keeping the tanks highly mobile is in line with the Yugo doctrine and this definitely carried over to Croatian tanks and I think the Serbian ones as well. But there is only so much you can do with something based on a T-72B. The Serbs did a lot in their upgrade. Great, good for them. If they start upgrading the entire fleet of cca 200 tanks today, they will be done in 2030. And then you have something based on an 80s design with 2015-2020 features in 2030. And the tanks in 2030 will have to counter the threats like drones and improved javelins and NLAWs. T-72 and T-80 based tanks are obsolete by todays and tomorrows standards if you are planning for a high-intensity war and are facing threats like brimstone missiles. Are M-84s useful. Yes. But don't expect them to be able to go toe-to-toe with modern tanks and do expect them to be vulnerable to a lot of recently emerged threats as seen in Ukraine. The engineering that went into modernizing the M-84s is great, don't get me wrong. Those guys really did more then expected with what they had on hand. But is it enough? Compare M-84s to tanks todays designs... To Rheinmetall K-2 for example... Even Abrams is nearing the end of its upgrade potential. Americans are already working on new designs. The only reason why M-84s are still around is because no one has the money or the motivation to replace them. The upgrades are here to make them somewhat relevant and those upgrades are not going to be implemented in large numbers. Sorry to burst your bubble. :/ Croatia even gave up on the M-95 in early 2000s/late '90s. And the M-95 had a lot of features that T-90MS has like a separate storage with blow-off panels for additional ammo.

[@mikahakinen6106]

It seems to be a very capable tank, I like it! War Thunder, it's your turn!

[@leksmanx1072]

We need M84AS1 in War Thunder.

[@ariqasadam199]

Lol war thunder will make it premium tank same like WOTB

[@flyingbanana4179]

@@ariqasadam199 lmao

[@n0t_k2le_dzedaj]

@@ariqasadam199 im gonna buy it even if the price is gonna be 60 euros

[@dronessential]

But is there enough space inside to play the harmonika and drink rakija?

[@flyingbanana4179]

yes

[@dragancrnogorac3851]

Lots of talking about underpowered engine. Tankers say almost it doesn't matter all. Top speed is same 700 or 1000 HP and top speed on rough terrain is limited by smashing head against all stupid stuff around it.

[@WindHaze10]

Very true. Tanks very rarely need to reach top speed and in combat situation, on uneven ground...700 hp is often enough (on soviet tank designs). Since spotting and hitting a target at such speed is very difficult on even top notch Abrams, LeClerc or K2 tanks. Having excessive power is useful when manovering short distances between cover. Even then there is another tank nearby providing overwatch in case enemy decide to attack moving tank.

[@oliverlav9960]

Funny thing about war thunder is that in ads you see t34, is-2, tiger I, sherman, t-80, leopard and abrams but when you play you start with tractors 😂

[@lazarjovanovic4388]

You dont...?

[@deathdragon2283]

You fly through the tractors and get to better tanks really quickly. Then you hit a brick wall and it takes half a decade to reach the modern vehicles

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

You should remember that T90 is also is modification of T72. So yeah I'm telling you that if you compare ALL T72 modernizations you definitely should compare it with late T90M. Good luck with it) But sure, serbian brothers made really good T72)

[@AverageWarCrimeEnjoyer]

At this point, Russia is better buying this tank instead of T72-B3

[@cdgncgn]

passive armor of T-72B obr 89 on hull and turret is almost double of T-72M1. The base of T-72B from 1989 is 15+ years newer tech. Or more. T-72M1 got 16mm high hardness steel plate on the front hull and turret. But B series has composite spaced armor. If they upgraded B3 base armor I dont know, but B3 already has K5 ERA and a much more powerful gun that was first put inside T-90A. Dont underestimate T-72B line, it is obsolete, but if its base armor array was reworked, its not that obsolete, except turret is cast not welded, like from T-90A. Russia isnt buying new T-72s, they upgrade them to keep them relevant. B3 firepower is the same as T-90A due to new gun.

[@zepter00]

Sergeant Arch Dornan you must to be kidding. That is a crap.

[@neznamnebih6678]

Serbia isnt done upgrading M84s, this is only 9 systems, its first phase, next phase will focus on fire power and mobility, myb even upgrading armor. Im expecting this tank to become as russian t90s, atleast till m20-up. m 20 is newly serbian developed tank (new serbian concept of tank extremly deadly and silent on battlefield)

[@m1a1abrams3]

wish usa could give me an autoloa...

[@ikill-98]

M1 TTB : iam joke to you

[@cursedcliff7562]

@@ikill-98 US: Yes.

[@savajovic6719]

Warthunder should add subtree for Russia with m84, m84a/m84ab and m84as1

[@Kalashnikov413]

Ah yes Just put another T-72 line

[@uroskostic8570]

There were news, it will also be equipped with Israeli Trophy system.

[@lazarjovanovic4388]

Yes

[@cdgncgn]

better make sure it works ...

[@maxi4492]

There was a picture of the M-84-ab1 featuring a fully digital control a few years back when Yugoimport tried to market those upgrades to Kuwait.

[@steffent.6477]

Good candidate for WT br 10.3-11.0

[@btbd2785]

That E.RA looks to be very effective. Now, if they can, only improve on the main armor! If they would do that it would make for one very well protected and "survivable" tank.!

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

Upgrading base armor , adding a rear bustle auto loader n a new gun it will be up there with the best tanks in the world

[@btbd2785]

Yes, I was just referring to its protection, but yes, they can improve on those other areas as well, and it would make it a very good tank!

[@bluedream5431]

LOOK AWESOME !!!

[@Skibidi24997]

Russia doesnt focuse on T 72 anymore but more at the T80 and T90s

[@filipcrisan6986]

Tr 85 m1 bison next

[@_sergiu__]

YES!YES!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@erik8346]

the video will be 2 seconds long and it will just be red saying ''its terrible''

[@delfinigor]

The TR-85 is in some respects inferior to the T-55, in some respects the same as the T-55. All in all, that means it’s worse than the T-55. The TR-85M1 has a better cannon and aiming device than the T-55. I don't know if there is cannon stabilization. All in all, the TR-85M1 is a modernized stranger version of the T-55. The only reason for the existence of the TR-85 is that Romania can master the knowledge for production of larger caliber tanks such as the TR-125. So the TR-125 was the ultimate goal, not the TR-85. Unfortunately, Romania did not continue the TR-125 program. There would be something to be said about the TR-125. The TR-125 is now just a memory. I would love to see a video about the TR-85, TR-85M1 and T-55. I think that Red Effect deals with relatively modern tanks, not with the outdated TR-85, TR-85M1, T-55, M-60.

[@MiguelMartinez-jw4mw]

Or japanese tanks

[@thejoke69]

@@delfinigor You have no fucking clue what you're on about. You don't even know that the T-55 has a stabilizer. The 85M1 is better in every regard by a lot.

[@napoleonbonaparte1429]

Give it some relikt, nozh, duplet era and some ceramic on the outside, the petition will be very good then.

[@MatoVuc]

As an upgrade package, this look pretty good. Trouble is that like the croatian upgrade packagaes that are supposedly always just about ready to be deployed, it never goes anywhere due to lack of funds. That's what happened to the previous T-90 like M84AS upgrade pack...

[@TheGranicd]

It was said that serial modernisation was to start by the end of the year. We will see...

[@youmad7068]

Bro that was in 2004 and Serbia was under sanctions until 2008, that modernization package was made with hope that Kuwait will accept to modernize its 155 M84 tanks (purchased from the former Yugoslavia) and nothing more, Serbia Army did not have money to buy new uniforms let alone anything else back in those times, and plus the government did not care for military - they were only listening to the promises from Brussels about joining the european union and about paradise of which "serbia will be a part" and for that paradies they sold their souls. Things changed now, Serbian economy has the highest GDP growth in europe for three years in a row. Hundreds of millions of dollars have already been invested in our military and military industry the last couple of years and now we are waiting for the results.

[@marvintiger9631]

@@youmad7068 German here. Germany should give Serbia 10 Billions every 5 yrs instead of ... Vehicles: Zastava NTV (4x4) 12.7x108mm Shielded OR 30mm AGL Shielded OR 4x Manpad M-20 MRAP (6x6) FAP 2228 truck 12.7x108mm Shielded OR 30mm AGL Shielded (Cheap APC/Convoi Vehicle) BOV M11 (4x4) 12.7x108mm RCWS OR 3x20mm, 2x4 MANPAD AA OR 2x30mm BOV M16 Miloš (4x4) 12.7x108mm RCWS OR 6x ATGM PASARS-16 (6x6) FAP 2228 truck 40mm, 2x+ SHORAD AA Lazar 3 IFV (8x8) 30mm, 2x ATGM, 1x7.62x54mm coaxial MG, 1x12.7x99mm RCWS OR 8x ATGM RALAS, + * BVP M-80AB1 (Tracked) 30mm, 2x ATGM, 1x7.62x54mm coaxial MG, 1x12.7x99mm RCWS, + * M-84 AS1 (Tracked) 125mm, 1x7.62x54mm coaxial MG, 1x12.7x99mm RCWS ++ * LRSVM M18 Oganj (6x6) FAP 2228 truck (+12.7x108mm Shielded) (Modular wheeled MLRS) Aleksandar 155mm (8x8) MAN-Chassis (+12.7x108mm Shielded) (Wheeled 155mm Howitzer) Šumadija (8x8) MAN-Chassis (+12.7x108mm Shielded) (Wheeled modular, but mostly heavy MLRS) * 120mm Mortar-Turret Version, to support advancing units ** Heavy Tank Support Vehicles, 2x 30mm, 2x2-3 (4-6) ATGM Trucks: FAP 1118 4x4 FAP 2228 6x6 FAP 3240 8x8 MAN 8x8 Heavy Duty MAN 10x10 Tank Transporter UGV: UGV Miloš (LittleMilosh) UAV: Vrabac Mini UAV PEGAZ 011 Strsljen (Helicopter UAV) Helicopter: H145M Mi-35M (or better?) Mi-17V-5 (Export version of the Mi-8MTV-5) Mi-26T2V Planes: MiG-29SMT (Product 9.17) AND/OR MiG-29M / MiG-33 (Product 9.15) For Yugoslav build planes ... buy new one, Yak ... Yakovlev Yak-130 Basic dual seat advanced trainer. Yakovlev Yak-131 Light attack aircraft as the Su-25 replacement. This version will have cockpit and engine armour, a GSh-30-1 autocannon, and either the Phazotron Kopyo radar with mechanical or electronic beam scanning, or the Tikhomirov NIIP Osa passive phased array radar. Yak-133IB Fighter bomber. Yak-133PP Electronic countermeasure platform. Yak-133R Tactical reconnaissance variant. An-26 AA-Defence: Bofors 40 mm L/70 Pechora-2M Kub-M4 (Buk-M1) Pantsir-SM Buk-M3 Ships/Boats: RPB-30 Kozara (Command ship 1x) Neštin-class river minesweepers (Minesweeper, 4x) RSRB-36 Šabac (Degaussing ship, 1x) DJČ 411-class (Assault ship, 4x) RPČ (Patrol boat, 4x) ČMP (Patrol boat, 3x) Premax 39 (Patrol boat, 1x + more) RPN 43 (Tanker (ship), 1x) Rebuying for Spare Parts/Recycling: (BVP M-80 IFV and M-84 MBT Series) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BVP_M-80 BVP M-80 Serbia: 320 + 222 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Army Croatia: 104 - 128 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina: 103 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenian_Ground_Force Slovenia: 52 259 - 283 extra through rebuying en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84 M-84 Serbia: 212 + 20 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_Army Kuwait: 149 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Army Croatia: 72 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina: 71 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenian_Ground_Force Slovenia: 14 - 32 306 - 324 extra through rebuying

[@DipsAndPushups]

No, but this time it seems to be for real, Serbia will modernize a bunch of its tanks, it has already modernised few of them

[@Pidalin]

Czech T-72 Scarab is good too, but I think there is only one prototype, they still speak about if it's worthy to modernise T-72 for 10th times again. I don't understand why we can't just make our own tank when out T-72 M4CZ has only like 10% of original parts, it doesn't make sense to me.

[@prateekmahapatra1789]

sheer amount of r&d to develop new tank platforms in this day nd age is massive as you not only want a better stuff than u currently have but also it to hold its own in future so the entire ordeal takes a massive human labour nd cost , so it kinda makes sense to just take a existing platform nd do your own magic .

[@2serveand2protect]

Great, my Dear Sebian Brothers - problem is no matter how much you "paint it" and add "extra stuff" ... IT'S STILL a T-72! ...a freaking DEATH-TRAP without blow-out panels, no matter how much you improve its opto-electronics - its turret will always send your crews flying into the skies if hit by even a small ATGM-system. We had the same problem with our T-72's in Poland - you can "modernize" it only to a certain point. We reached our limit with the PT91 - changing everything we could change, giving them more power, better, more reliable engines, easy to replace in batlefield-conditions, gave them better comm-equipment, better observation cameras & night-visors, improving their targeting systems - yadda!-yadda!-ydda!... At the end?? - we simply scrapped them all and replaced them with the new SepV3's in one swoop. It's just not a feasible platform anymore. No practical use to for "new paint" to be used on what is basically old junk. C'mon!

[@zexxx2600]

Nemas ni takav slepce jedan. Ajde tisina tamo. Kad se ti budes sibao sa nato paktom 78 dana i potpises SPORAZUM a ne kapitulaciju! Pa onda 20 godina posle rata i dalje dolaze svestski LIDERI a ne nizi cinovnici administracije Brisela i Vasingtona, na pregovore sa tobom. I dogovorom. Pa tzv. kosovo niej clan niti ijedne RELEVANTNE medjunarodne organizacije, zbog SPORAZUMA izvojevanog BORBOM. Tad da se javis. Djubrad jedna. Koliko tenkova imas ti i koje to tenkove jado jedan. Da ti ne vire nogice iz nato usa bulje, resili bi vas za dva meseca budalo jedna od te kifla kvazi drzave ne bi ti ostao kamen na kamenu...

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

These upgrades would have been great on a T-72B3

[@slobodanisailovic8281]

I AM FROM SERBIA-BELGRADE AND I WANNA THANKS ON VERY PROFESIONAL AND OBJECTIVE VIDEO ABOUT SERBIAN TENKS M-84. JUST CONTINIUE TO WORK AND WISH YOU BETTER JOB AND GOOD HEALTH. BEST REGARDS

[@dust_gale3108]

Naming different arms the same name is just a way to confuse your potential opponent

[@JAnx01]

1. Remove K3b4b 2. Reclaim Kosovo

[@a.m.5581]

Step one: check Step two: in effect

[@Sh4d891]

Step 3: Revive Yugoslavia Step4: have a better relationship with Balkan brothers

[@a.m.5581]

@@Sh4d891 Error: step 4 does not compute

[@BoomsCRO]

Step 5: Fuel up tractor

[@a.m.5581]

@@BoomsCRO Step six: plow њива

[@toddbrackett4277]

I would love to see Bosnia and Croatia send their M-84s to Ukraine perhaps in exchange for some Leopard IIs.

[@redryder8849]

I have a hunch red effect is from Serbia. 😉

[@cursedcliff7562]

Has an accent, saying things like Mechanism as Mehanizam

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@Redryder 8 He is a Serb, from North Korea 😝😝😝

[@vickoslavkovic2593]

@@StefanBlagojevic he is moron in any case.

[@cursedcliff7562]

@@vickoslavkovic2593 *S I L E N C E*

[@vickoslavkovic2593]

@@cursedcliff7562 Sajsi.

[@bluedream4943]

Look Great 👍

[@dexteros5770]

GOD IS A SERB 😁

[@Sh4d891]

God is Yugoslav 🤗

[@AA-bz1pr]

Is it fucks

[@Sh4d891]

@@AA-bz1pr what the?

[@AA-bz1pr]

@@Sh4d891 What?

[@lukiusdizdarikus6068]

@@AA-bz1pr your grammar is trash lol

[@c.f.1833]

When the ERA is good, i think is better as the overall base armor. Tank on Tank Combat is rare these days, since artillery and handheld AT is the main threat for tanks when they get spotted by drones which is most likely to happen these days. So i rather have a good working ERA on the front and side, than haveing better armor and older or no ERA.

[@zidfih1176]

It's sexy as fuck. The only tank that looks better is the Rheinmetall upgraded leopard 2. Good job Serbia.

[@lukavukovic5929]

Yes it is M19 explosive reactive armour bcs i was actually talking to the commander that was there presenting it

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

We will probably see more and more similar stuff with Time, as a lot of countries cannot afford more expensive than T72, and T72's structure is far from being under overburden, making able to add a lot of extra stuff to fix T72's obsolescence.

[@cdgncgn]

its armor array is obsolete, so something like removing old armor and welding new systems would work. Most T-72s are greatly obsoleted due to armor and gun being late 1970s. Tank is reliable, but USSR fell along with WP, so WP never got newer variants.

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

@@cdgncgn the external surface IS inferior to that of western MBTs and the Margin of extra weight bearable IS good, so, no need to bother with remooving the old Armor, just add a good kit on it (since not a lot of surface, it mean covering it up with extra Armor will not be as heavy as it would be if you did the same to a western MBT) As for the Armor composition, it is still okay (steel-kwartz-steel for the turret and Steel-fiberglass-steel for the chassis) the thing is just that there is not enough of it. (A T72A IS about 42 tons, quite light for a MBT) For the gun, the 125mm2A46 IS far from being obsolète (it all dépend of the shells and ATGMs you load into it)

[@RadTheFolf]

T-72 in Serbia is 𝙎𝙏𝙊𝙉𝙆

[@F1-Person]

I love how you played serbia strong

[@jakobholgersson4400]

If you want to have a laugh at many weapons with the same designation, check how many things were called m/90 in the Swedish armed forces.

[@maksim1507]

I was realy looking forward for a video about this thank on your chanel. This is the best analysis that was made so far much better than any from Serbian youtube chanels. I dont know how you gather that much info. I also want to ask you where did you found the exct number of m84 and m84a tanks in Serbian army. I was trying to find that imformation for a year.

[@blaircolquhoun7780]

The Polish PT-91 Twardy's another T-72 upgrade.

[@Bosla986]

Thanks for this video. Another good one. The only real question as you've mentioned is how fast will they manage to do the upgrades en mass.

[@unknownname6519]

Or how many in general

[@ivoivic2448]

you can't fault Serbs(Yugoslavs for earlier M designations) for using M**. it simply means Model and whatever year it was designed. far more straight forward than say M16.