NEW Tesla Prototype Spotted | It's Not Robotaxi or Robovan

[@daiesison]

Where does he talk about the new Tesla spotted? 13:15

[@jasonves]

Thank you so much for this LMAO

[@tipoomaster]

God's work, son

[@Jazz12176]

Omg truth !! This picture has been shared at least thousand times on KZbin since months 🤦‍♂️

[@poot86]

New Y isn't a prototype imo.. just an update

[@hanswitvliet8188]

New prototype? Upgraded existing models!

[@RafaelNieves77]

On the maintenance thing. I've had my M3P for 6 years now. I noticed that repairs are infrequent but expensive when they do happen. For example the rear rubber bushings on my car are going bad. They are built directly into the rear motor and cannot be replaced without replacing the entire fully functional motor. The result is a $9k repair for something that should be at most around $1k. Simply, bad engineering. This means that when the repair is needed I will most likely part the car out and get a new one.

[@taylorc2542]

Shoot, see if you can find a good mechanic who can improvise a work around.

[@mylesgray3470]

Dang, that sucks! Was it covered on warranty? Elon clearly designs this car to be cheap to make, but disposable. For example, the “structural battery pack” seems like a really bad idea for maintenance. Just scrap it if a cell goes bad. How wasteful is that?

[@JRP3]

More sensible would be to get used parts from a low mileage salvage vehicle.

[@MrSmersh1]

@@mylesgray3470 they work in-house with redwood run by jb straubel and his brother. They sustainably mine and consciously recycle lithium battery materials. Buying brand new technology is always expensive and comes with early issues which have been fixed in the new models. Sorry that happened.

[@JRP3]

Actually I just looked it up and the Tesla Service manual shows the procedure for replacing the motor bushings. Look it up.

[@MrSmersh1]

Tesla team doesn't get enough credit. Elon this Elon that. This is bigger than Elon. These are Franz' designs. Event was awesome

[@Prad2007]

So many people think Elon is a genius engineer when he's a jackass with no end (so far) of money to hire engineers. I don't doubt he sketched the cybertruck when he was 6, but he isn't the one designing spaceships and these ugly cars.

[@stevewilson6193]

The event was terrible, taxi and van were impractical designs and were only autonomous in a lot that they had controlled for weeks. this was all smoke and mirrors. The issue isn't that the tesla team hasn't done great work, its that this event did a lousy job of showcasing it and there was very little in terms of details, and dates were really far out even for Elon

[@MorganaThot]

@@stevewilson6193 On one hand I agree with you, on the other hand they showed the cybercab model, they showed that they already have 20 of them, is that than still a prototype or can they already do some low volume production of it? they also showed the optimus robots again, not doing much but it is another showing. They generated an event with a lot of attention, looking really cool, displaying this 'tesla is the future' vibes, getting people to imagine what it would be like when all these products are live. I'm not quite sure but I also thought the robotaxi cab rides will stay available in that lot from now on, not just on the day itself, as the start of robotaxi, first place to pilot start the roll out.

[@MorganaThot]

IMO despite not getting a lot of new details; the event looked really cool. definetely had vibes, at least on stream as I wasn't there in person.

[@dalejewell9916]

Meanwhile, other OEMs are showcasing…..more ice engines. Snoozing

[@kcharles4630]

Always appreciate the work you put into your vids. This is the most comprehensive review of the Cybercab I've watched so far. Your analysis re: Tesla and the overall EV industry is solid w/ good facts and minimal speculation.

[@myharryface]

My wife’s car got the update where we can be hands free while in FSD. THAT finally makes it worth buying. Granted I still think $8k is too high. We got it 5 years ago when it was $6k but I think they’d sell like hot cakes if it were more like $4k. While we’ve been thinking of getting back to the BMWs we love as they begin making nice EVs in the next couple years … but FSD is FINALLY now compelling and could keep us brand loyal.

[@tipoomaster]

This is going to be much more important for the next 2-3 years than the Robovan I somehow doubt will see my streets by the end of this decade. Wasn't the 7 year old Roadster 2 supposed to hit the street end of this year, again?

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

But Airbus can make things that fly!So Tesla is quite boring!

[@adamdarrow]

I really hope they offer bidirectional charging on the model Y Juniper. And I hope it works with an Enphase system.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Why?

[@michaelnurse9089]

Bidirectional sounds woke.

[@tuan.hoang_]

@@michaelnurse9089 bi means two, derived from Latin. So is binary, bipolar, bicycle, bilingual, binocular, etc. All of these has nothing to do with woke.

[@shoelessjoe428]

The Robovan could be sold tomorrow if regulation allows. Think Airports, Theme Parks, Music Festivals, big ticket events, simple straight-line public transportation (long high streets or pier to pier transport in popular beach towns).

[@Jackj28]

Always love the videos Ryan👍🏼. Very informative and Knowledgeable information to use when I buy my next Tesla. Thanks for the content. 👍🏼👏🏼✌🏽

[@oliverburke]

Very clear presenting, Ryan. Thank you.

[@JBean_COCR]

Thanks for covering EV range. I live in a remote area, and many youtube sites and EV pundits keep saying we don't need more range in EVs, but that is completely wrong for many of us who live away from large cities. I definitely need the extra range in the winter mountain driving, and most of my friends I've tried to convince to get an EV, the argument comes down to range issues with EVs. I get not all users need the higher range, but I think like ICE vehicles, the EV industry should have 400 or greater range options available. I'm willing to pay a little more for say a vehicle like the model Y for 20-30% more range without having to go for a $100k+ vehicle, which I can't afford.

[@mickydee26]

I live in a remote area and don't suffer from range issues with my 3 mg4 taxis😂. Most of the people that have range concerns have never actually driven an EV

[@chrisalbertson5838]

To all those who are worried about range: Do you really drive more than 300 miles, one why every day? That's nuts. As long as you "only" have a 300 mile commute to work you do not need to stop and charge the car. So your day is easy. Get up a 4:00am and drive 300 miles to work and plug the car in. Work for 8 hours and then drive home, arriving home at 10:00pm. sleep six hours and do it again. If it were me, I'd find a job closer to home. But even your 300 mile one-way commute is possible. if there is electric power near your workplace.

[@RandolphBauder]

So I really like the data summary of maintenance costs. Good info to have! I also have a question, you mentioned the referral program and stackable incentives, I've been having trouble getting the word out that I have referral credits available. Any suggestions as to how I can inform people of this? I'm not a social media guy so I don't have the easy reach to clientele like that, but obviously I want to match up with folks for the mutual benefit of using the referral. Thanks in advance for any advice Ryan.

[@diniitotoom2526]

Did the dyno test account for air resistance?

[@DaBinChe]

But does the seats fold back so one can sleep?

[@alexanderpoplawski577]

You need to be in an upright position for the seatbelt to be effective. There are still other cars on the road.

[@michaelnurse9089]

You can just put a mattress in the boot/trunk.

[@mylesgray3470]

Manufacturing engineer here, composite body is an odd choice. Composite layup is traditionally very slow. We are taking 4 hours with oven cure or 8 hours without oven cure. Stamping steel panels on the other hand takes just seconds. I’m very curious how they plan to make the body fast and cheap.

[@MrStrife622]

Agreed, I wish they would adopt a carbon fiber smc, similar to Aptera motors

[@mylesgray3470]

@@MrStrife622 looked up that process which is new to me, and that looks like the way they would do it. It’s not used in aircraft which is my specialty, probably because it’s not as strong, but suitable for car body panels. Would just need a post trim operation to clean the edges after press.

[@georgepal9154]

4 to 8 hours cure time is a lot for a single vehicle, but its nothing for a production line. Your parts would be ready in time to form the part multiplied by the number of parts, plus eight hours. A million parts, six seconds each (for example), is 1667 hours plus 8 hours of cure time. So 1675 hours. It may not work out that ideally, but at massive scale, cure time barely matters as long as they have the capacity to house and move those parts while they cure.

[@MrStrife622]

@@mylesgray3470 I don't know much about airplanes, but the BINC Aptera is using is made by CPC who makes F1 bodies. There is a trimming process but they recycle those bits back in, up to 8 times. One of the co founders made boat bodies with composites, and originally Aptera was going down that path until they realized it wasn't realistic for high volume production. And pivoted to the CF SMC.

[@mylesgray3470]

@@MrStrife622 That’s cool! It seems like a game changing process. No autoclave, no oven!

[@derradune6722]

I wonder how the Roadster is coming along. Tesla has been very quiet about it for a while now.

[@michaelnurse9089]

I doubt work has stopped. They probably have a small team slowly working through it.

[@ineumeyer]

Great episode, Ryan! 👌🏽

[@FritzJones1]

Will the Cybercab eventually become the model 2?

[@Madracer09]

There will never be a model 2

[@luiscaceres-qk4yk]

That is the model 2 .. it would be under 30 k and They just need to sell it with steering wheels.. so people can choose to drive or take a ride on it.. I see that car being sold specially with fsd

[@bobbresnahan8397]

Agreed about FSD. When I drove my new CT home from the dealer I concluded that I would give it back to Tesla if they didn't provide FSD soon. It's that good, really the best thing about Tesla's cars except for zero-emissions.

[@iowa_don]

They could shape those panels out of stainless steel. The original company who made stainless steel, Allegheny-Ludlum, did it for 3 different Ford models. There were 6 1936 Fords (4 still survive), 2 1960 Ford Thunderbird hardtops and one 1966 Lincoln Continental convertible sedan.

[@jbaron6150]

The Berlin factory is close to Spain (Mataró) you say? It's over 1840km away. That's like driving from New York to the far side of Colorado. Other than that, I enjoyed the show. 👍😆

[@robertweekley5926]

Well, "Closer" is probably related to versus Fremont, Shanghai, or Austin, at present! Plus, no Ships or Ports are needed for the Transportation!

[@michaelnurse9089]

It closer than LA to NY. So its close.

[@sdvanni94]

I love how the front headlight bar looks on the Robotaxi. Hoping the rumor of this coming to the Model Y Juniper is true and it looks just like this! Would definitely help make this new refresh unique with comparison to the old models!

[@danahebdon6810]

Tesla needs to make a version of the taxi with a steering wheel and pedals. If they did, it would sell. It's the size and look that I've wanted for quite a while. If they did make it as a regular EV, I would buy one.

[@GalaneTV]

They will!

[@blue_ig1]

Was about to comment this.

[@jackgrego6393]

Elon said in the event the car won’t come with pedals or a steering wheel.

[@ironmyst5096]

That’s my thoughts!!! I want a small commuter car that’s can get good range with a smaller battery and is AWD

[@ISuperTed]

Not like this, a 2 door version won’t sell in the sort of volumes Tesla would want to make them in for global sales. Will have to be a four door, but lots of this design carried over.

[@BigusMickus]

Greaat work as always

[@henryD9363]

On a slightly different topic, I checked my Tesla app and was able to order a cyber truck, non foundation, yesterday. Just got a call from the Tesla rep and he says they're not yet being manufactured. Do you have any more info. Note that I had an early $100 down and I qualified for the stock holder promotion.

[@Policy-Perspective]

I believe they will add a charge port once released mainly for redundancy, absolutely no reason not to, considering they will be fleet managed by individuals, not exclusively Tesla owned. This would also unlock reliable cross country travel, as riders that go for longer routes could “opt in” to plug in at super chargers when needed.

[@mylesgray3470]

I personally doubt it, being they are trying to make this car ultra cheap and Elons favorite saying, no part is the best part. He doesn’t like redundancy as he is an extreme engineering minimalist. I’m betting they will just sell a roll-up charging mat for home use and they will build new dedicated cab charging locations for public use. Time will tell.

[@Madracer09]

Cyber cab will be geo-fenced so you won’t be going cross country. No doubt inductive charging will be slower as well.

[@watermaj]

Ryan - what are all those wagon shaped vehicles coming out of Giga Texas (see drone video on 10/12) I had wondered why no model Y production for a few weeks - line retooling and a new model not yet announced.

[@stopstickers]

Hey! You brought back the Cybertruck model on your shelf. 👏👏👏 Why was it gone for so long?

[@petrolhead4503]

At the dealer for a recall

[@iainmrodgers9991]

​@@petrolhead4503😂

[@kazedcat]

The Gemini is hybrid chemistry so it will be hard to scale it down to smaller packs. The reason they need LFP is to supplement the power output of their proprietary chemistry. Scaling the pack down means the power will also shrink which means they need more LFP to provide additional power.

[@RogerSmith-p3m]

Can the doors really open like that and not be a victim of being side swiped or open in a garage or a parking space???? I would think that they would use door design from the model X. Kind of surprised with that feature.

[@GVWOLF11]

you are not mint to get into it in a tight parking space in a parking garage, its a taxi…. i don’t believe i’ve ever have entered a taxi from a tight parking space in a garage. there are also lots of sports cars out there with that door design, did not hear any concerns with them then.

[@danwhiffen9235]

Lordy… I need to replace my car ASAP and wanted to get Y performance…. Juniper… I worry that I won’t be able to get my hands on one anytime soon…. Do I go with the current 2024…

[@livendi3229]

I think the event was great. The future looks very interesting when I can concentrate on more important task I think also Elon did incredible.

[@kensmith5694]

The last 10% on FSD is the really hard part. It still messes up in some cases and if you repeat the case, it messes up again. It doesn't learn from that last time it came to that place.

[@coldeskimo8581]

WoW !! Love the design of that 2 door Taxi Coupe ..... seriously cool

[@yenlard6683]

Why don’t they produce the Robotaxi with steering wheel and pedals as a coupe? Gotta think it would be huge if the price is right.

[@MuscleMan500]

Maybe they did that just to annoy you specifically

[@mylesgray3470]

I’m almost done reading the book “Elon Musk”, and I can tell you with confidence that Elon went this route to force the regulation changes by the government to happen, and force Tesla engineers to solve the self driving problems. They have no option to drag it out with this single focus. It’s his way of getting results which has worked extremely well at Space X.

[@MuscleMan500]

@@mylesgray3470 That makes a lot of sense

[@Madracer09]

@@mylesgray3470how do you think this presentation is going to force changes in regulations? All his work with Tesla hasn’t changed any regulation, he has been forced to rename FSD. He hasn’t won any battle against the regulators except annoy them.

[@mylesgray3470]

@@Madracer09Well, they are going to mass produce a car without a steering wheel and if the government wants to make money off the tax of selling it, they are going to have to pass the laws. There is incentive on both sides. No telling if it will actually work, but it’s Elons style at its worked for the rocket business. With Space-x, if they don’t agree with the rules m, they don’t follow them and request changes at the same time and many rules for rocket launches have been updated or thrown out.

[@Gizmo1251]

Unfortunately Tesla stock is down 8% and that’s no wonder, people want affordable EV’s and specifically a niche market for a few people, is that something the just don’t understand. Competition is on the move…

[@luiscaceres-qk4yk]

Is sad people can’t see how much transportation will change for the better

[@jimmyers4890]

Thank you Ryan. I'm glad someone finally showed the trunk space. Really great job.

[@Sjent309]

0% intrest rate does not make much difference when yearly cost in percentage is still around 3%

[@sirousmohseni4]

Excellent video

[@patrickspader4062]

Great that u add the proviso that robotaxi depends on Tesla solving FSD. Many commentators don’t.

[@KevinLaswisis]

Will the new Model Y have Hardware 5 too

[@vindigga6]

Would have liked to know the battery size, makeup, range, charge times for both the RT and RV. Also top speed. The van is so low, it doesnt look like it can go on highways and will it fit in the boring tunnels?

[@danharold3087]

While Elon said we will produce these he did not say produce these exactly as you see them. Unrealistic to nail Tesla down on vehicles that are still under development. Same goes for all the specs you want to see. These are more suited to a product release. Thinking Tesla leaned that lesson after 2019.

[@Madracer09]

Tesla wouldn’t know the specs because they haven’t finished making a product, Elon is simply making it up on the hop. Look at Elon’s responses when asked about timelines, he is trying to work it out in his mind. He should have firm dates when presenting a product, but no.

[@jonahbert111]

The robot car is at home on the road, but what about say a mechanic that needs to move it carefully into a service bay inside a crowded shop? Is there a plug in controller or something for this need?

[@chrisalbertson5838]

Only Tesla will work on these, most certainly with a mobile service center. I can imagine the taxi will find the lift. It could have a "roll onto lift" command. Also I assume there must be a way to fix a 100% dead taxi, which is likely, to be "place a floor jack under the car, lift the front tires and manually push the car. That is how it is done today. It works even if the car is locked and you can't get in.

[@amigang]

I was slightly disappointed, I was really hoping for a model 2 car. I cant afford a Tesla. (maybe second hand if the price keep dropping) I know they say Robotaxi will be under $30k, but I feel like its only going to be available in certain areas, even in 2026. I cant see it being approved country/worldwide for a very long time.

[@FarmtheSunUSA]

Is there a "clawback" from Tesla if I cancel my selfdriving feature ($8,000 dollar savings) after just one year?

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I cannot see the licence plate on the Model Y refresh covering the hitch, but have seen EU cars testers with it in a higher position, will be interesting to see where they will locate it.

[@keelferm]

My reason for non adoption of EV is no off road parking and public charging costs in the UK are astronomical... even the Tesla superchargers compared with home charging (7 pence per kWh Vs 39 pence at Tesla ....the competition charges 70 pence and upwards per kWh!!!)

[@keelferm]

@@carbonatedlifeform it does struggle with some pretty fundamental things

[@FusioN_764]

Theres no link to a video on new battery tech.

[@larryc1616]

CATL #1 🔋

[@JerryLaw]

I think having a future vision is great, whether it will come true or not. I wish I can wait for the new refresh of the model Y but I’m going to try to get myself the refresh 3 to replace my Y and yes personally FSD is a must have. I wish there are Tesla event like that in Australia 😔

[@VancityAnu]

I'm very optimistic about the future of Tesla. Tesla is a problem solving company & I do not think theres any issue that they dont have a path figured. So what remains is just the execution, which is much easier than say dealing with an unknown.

[@41istair]

17:26 It was driven 752 miles at 55MPH on Michigan freeways! That probably counts as antisocial: Michigan DOT 2016: Increased Speed Limit Legislation Public Act 445 of 2016, tasked MDOT and MSP with increasing speed limits on a minimum of 600 miles of limited access freeway to 75 mph, and 900 miles of trunkline highway to 65 mph based on the results of engineering and safety studies that utilize the 85th percentile speeds (the speed at or below which 85 percent of traffic is moving).

[@snarl3650]

Elon in my opinion dropped the ball with the event. Other than no steering wheel they did not demonstrate more capability that the fleet currently doesn’t already have

[@zSion]

It's not supposed to have more capability than the fleet, that wouldn't make any sense. The cars will get full FSD before the taxi, because the taxi won't even be out for another 3 years

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

Plus the taxi car is so bland.

[@danharold3087]

​@@PEACEOUTXX1 Does not really matter.

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@PEACEOUTXX1it’s pretty good aside from the front light design and the weird hump in the middle

[@ToledoTerps]

Almost as if the rest of the fleet is already capable. You were so close…

[@mythictyrant3]

Still waiting on the Roadster …. And I have yet to see a Tesla Semi in Southern California.

[@rhinous1199]

Are you one of those that claimed the Cybertruck was a myth as well? Pepsi has a fleet of over 80 Semi’s they’ve been using for years. Plenty of video feed of them. Even Jay Leno drove one on his show. Or was that all cgi? Is the earth flat too?

[@bluedog9935]

I know it’s kinda small compared to a Model 3 or Y, but it also looks big enough to accommodate a back seat for two, maybe three riders.

[@bluedog9935]

@@carbonatedlifeform Right, I was just trying to picture the Cybercab with a steering wheel and a back seat area. You know, the affordable Tesla everyone has been waiting for. We own a Y but even the 3 is out of reach for my kids. I guess I’m just a little disappointed that Tesla hasn’t followed through on the affordable car.

[@lou7139]

I find it interesting that they would go through the trouble of putting cupholders in a "prototype"...hmmmm 🤔 This CyberCab looks fairly polished in this state so I think production is not going to be as far out as Elon said. Maybe _this_ time, Elon will surprise us and be early!

[@luiscaceres-qk4yk]

I truly believe this too.. he can’t say this will be out in June cause the car sales for the other models will suffer people will wait for this car instead.. he also said some projections will be done earlier than others !

[@chrisalbertson5838]

They will have to wait for FSD technology. Making the car is "easy," but FSD is not nearly ready and might not be for years to come. With no steering wheel, the tech has to be 100% flawless. FSD is not 100% under Musk's control. Smart engineers have to solve some problems, and they need smart ideas, you can not predict how long it will take to solve unsolved problems. It is not like digging a swimming pool where you can measure progress. My boss once told me "You engineers only work about 2 minutes a week, when you have a good idea worth justifying your pay, the rest of the time, you do monkey work that anyone could do." That was actually a huge compliment as I think it was more like 2 minutes every few months. So FSD will have to wait for perhaps a thousand of those two-minute periods to occur

[@Robert-rv9qg]

I like the no side mirrors on the cyber cab. I think it should have a rear window though. On the Robo Van, I would like to see it closer to the boring company rendering of that van, also needs more windows, and exposed wheels.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

What would you do with mirrors on a taxi? In fact, I'd like the option to black out the windows so I could sleep on a long ride.

[@Robert-rv9qg]

@@chrisalbertson5838 yeah, come to learn we’re both off a bit, there is a divider between the seats and the rear storage that makes a rear window superfluous for visuals and letting light through…

[@mageyeah7763]

Compact car, with the model 3 performance drive system would be astounding.

[@dennissalisbury496]

The savings that FSD will create across a broad spectrum of transportation and environmental costs will vastly exceed the price of the vehicles. It's not if this will happen but only when. If you just consider municipal traffic law enforcement, it will be accomplished by FSD and made redundant saving $billions each year.

[@martinmarkmarkovics7754]

That's a smart way of pocketing the interest what otherwise the bank would take!

[@RWBHere]

That ONE battery pack could be made the same capacity as the original Tesla one, but will weigh much less, therefore giving more range at the higher vehicle efficiency.

[@80antonc]

Because of stair by wire both van and car can be converted into a regular vehicle

[@michaelsmithers4900]

Higher energy density, also means you can have a smaller lighter pack and that’s more range

[@moonlander03]

Those cars do look cool 💪💪💪💪💪

[@michaelsiebesma4535]

Ryan as always i appreciate your honest no hype reporting.

[@stevenichols4639]

I’ve had full self driving in my car for about a year. I use it a lot. It does help, but I can’t see this getting to a fully autonomous status in two years. It makes mistakes on every trip some of which I can correct easily some of which I require disabling the auto pilot. it is frequently in the wrong lane at intersections you can use the turn signals to try and get it in the right lane. Sometimes it pays attention and sometimes it doesn’t. Not surprising they can do this based on vision that’s entirely how we drive a car but we also know something about human behavior and I don’t think this does so it’s not very good at predicting what other people are gonna do around it. If they ever get to the point where these cars can talk to each other, I can see it happening.

[@atomicsmith]

One thing people missed is that the cyber cab would make an excellent delivery vehicle with its sealed rear hatch. This would be very secure, and could compete with a service like Uber eats or door dash, or even package delivery.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

I think it would, But you still need a "driver" to carry the package to the door

[@atomicsmith]

@@chrisalbertson5838 are you talking about cyber truck, I was talking about the robotaxi or cyber cab.

[@carlosgamez6230]

Am I the only one who saw the tranport things for the robots in IRobot when the robo van came out lol and how the the cybercab also looks like the Audi from that movie as well. I honestly think Elon takes a lot of inspiration from that movie sense it’s the closest thing that represents his vision

[@FractalPrism.]

the show was named 'we, robot'...

[@mylesgray3470]

Indeed. In about 10 years we are likely to have the first court case between a human and one of these robots, just like in the movie.

[@milescoleman910]

I noticed. The NS5 transport! Haha he has always done this. Most of the items he adds in cars and the designs and capabilities are remarkably similar to someone trying to build KITT also. The yoke, talking car, talk of rocket boosters, speed, bulletproofing etc

[@jmattoxriskpro]

@@FractalPrism.inspired by Asimov’s books, not the movie

[@brownro214]

Hey Ryan, Did you see any indication at the show that the Cybercab might have been remote controlled rather than autonomous? In the comments for the Yahoo Finance article about the stock crash after the show some random Tesla hater was claiming there was a Tesla person across the street controlling the cabs. I find it highly unlikely as it would be devastating for Tesla if it was found that the demo was fake and secrets are impossible to keep forever.

[@bobbybishop5662]

They didn't spend a month mapping the grounds for nothing . Preprogrammed routes.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

There is no reason for remote control at the event. NOTHING was demoed that the current Tesla software can not handle well. Rather they set up the demo so the car would not have to deal even with a 4-way stop sign. Even the bicycles were painted VERY bright so the car could see them. There were no fire trucks or drunk drivers. The demo was designed to be easy even for the current FSD technology.

[@stephenwinter8892]

Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I had the opportunity to sit in the 2026 afleela electric sedan in Los Vegas in sure you are familiar with this product but I went with a family member who's been around the world no specifications were given out like $ distance on a charge I didn't see the trunk or engine compartment opened up

[@andders2477]

If Robotaxi ever come for sale to private it must have a chargeport to charge places without teslachargers, that must be peanuts to put in together with wireless. I dont see any relevans for the Wing doors, it just adds complexity to a car that should be cheap. If it was side doors like on a van which don't take up much space in tight parking lots it would make more sence.

[@MildandLazyGuy]

*Resin* Injection Molding?

[@darylfortney8081]

would have been good to see some crash testing on it... thing looks like it would get totally crushed in a collision with a cyber truck for example. One thing they really should prioritize is Tesla to Tesla communications so that it is technically impossible to crash two Tesla's together.

[@danharold3087]

One would wait until release candidates existed for crash testing. Much too early. The US Department of Transportation (USDOT) is actively investigating and promoting the deployment of vehicle-to-everything (V2X) technologies, which include vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communications. We need it on every car on the road. Even if all it does is to alert of impending crashes Distribute them when you pay for car registration. Optimize and build them by the millions.

[@dalejewell9916]

Only if a human is driving the CT.

[@darylfortney8081]

@@danharold3087 sure but Tesla could and should do it already and just gift the process to the rest of the industry same as what they did with charging

[@danharold3087]

@@darylfortney8081 Tesla is looking to license FSD to others. Its investment is or will run into the billions. Not something you can give away. It belongs to the stockholders.

[@danharold3087]

@@darylfortney8081 2nd try maybe duplicate. Tesla and it's shareholders are investing billions in FSD. Can't gift it. Tesla has offered to sell licenses.

[@UKDagnar]

FSD should be account based not car based. Pointless getting FSD for a car you'll be changing in 3,4 or 5 years. Plus it's way off being ready for unsupervised, my M3 still has plenty of phantom breaking episodes, worst being a full slam on the brakes on the motorway because there was a car stopped on the hard shoulder.

[@mylesgray3470]

I have not had any phantom for breaking for a while, but I rented a model 3 last year and it was doing it a LOT. Did it about 6 times in one day. I seriously think they deleted radar way too soon. I don’t believe vision only is even close to being up to the task yet. It can’t even figure out when to run the wipers. If it wasn’t for the robots, I’d probably be selling some of my stock but I see a lot of potential there.

[@jokulhaups309]

This is suppose to be new hardware. How is everyone with old hardware suppose to get this at the same performance? If I had to guess, they are gonna rewrite some clause that they hope no one notices that you can sue if your hardware can’t achieve what the new cars can

[@joshuarosen465]

​@@mylesgray347012.5.4 has a serious phantom braking problem, it brakes for oncoming headlights. It's not usable at night on two lane roads. This problem showed up in the .4 release. The .3 release broke lane centering but didn't have a phantom braking problem. .4 fixed lane centering but introduced phantom braking. Hopefully in .6 they will have it fixed but who knows what will break next.

[@mylesgray3470]

@@joshuarosen465 Yea, the progress seems to be fairly stalled. My phantom breaking in the rental was between Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon on a sunny day. I didn’t see any obstructions at all. I think it may have been flying bugs in front of the camera. If they had radar as a fallback, that wouldn’t be an issue. For aircraft, safety critical systems require redundancy and I believe self driving cars should have the same requirements.

[@CristiCroicu]

I don’t know if it was intentional but you could take another taxi from where the robotaxi stopped to the sidewalk

[@mikek2218]

Why would you only have a 2 seater for a taxi? Doesn't seem very practical to me.

[@That-Guy_]

Most taxi rides are with 1 or 2 passengers only

[@luiscaceres-qk4yk]

Because is cheaper to make it will be less than 30k .. and if you don’t want to ride that one then you can order the cyber truck to pick you up or the any other models like the mode y

[@ryandoyle4344]

Seems like a bench seat would be a good option to allow three passengers, allowing fold down for less than three. My 07.5 Tundra had the front bench seat, as such.

[@mylesgray3470]

I thought the same. At least a kid size middle position would be helpful.

[@solo111111111]

Awesome

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

I am seriously wondering if these cars will stay to offer tours of WB to the public after the event. That would be interesting as a way Tesla can continue to rack up some more autonomous miles to convince state regulators. And gain some more insight into the durability and real world problems of day to day operations and test out how well the design really hold up to real weather, and the daily grind of life on the road. The Bus could be used along with a few more and the individuals can be used by couples, the model Y’s by the proverbial family of four, with some having car seats installed. Then there’s the matter of a single parent plus one chid, which can be anywhere from an infant up to a teenager, and meeting the law for car safety seats, with fast lock-in within seconds, carry able by the adult infant car seats or booster seats to make seatbelts effective. Tesla may need to manufacture their own car seats or have cars that one seat can rotate 180 degrees with the normal adult seat and one the opposite side have a child seat. You choose the configuration in the app!

[@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt]

What I like, as mentioned by FutureAZA they have done their Tesla thing and deleted anything not actually needed. Obvious is no steering wheel or pedals. Not so obvious, no seat adjustment, no switches on the inside of the doors, hood slightly overlaps front so alignment does not have to be perfect same as trunk lid, no internal mirror, no external mirrors no need for switches or controls or the cost of fitting, no glass roof, no rear window, darkened glass is not glass, no paint (the taxis were wrapped) possibly some panels were plastic or composite. For city use the battery is expected to be CATL LFP batteries made in US by Tesla under licence and expected to be half the size of a model 3. LFP can charge to 100% and work in cold climates. I´m not convinced on only using induction charging, I would like the option of plug in. You don´t need a big heavy battery for taxi city driving. One of their plans for Texas is to do taxi rides between Austin and Dallas, 295 miles in 3 hours or less.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

A point-to-point route would work well. The important question is the price. The current price of a bus ticket is $22. And the bus has a bathroom in the back for your 3-hour ride. They would have to compete with the bus. The current low bus price is 7 cents per mile. Elon did say they would do 5 cents per mile with the taxi. But I think you need that extra 2 cents to make a profit. Who wants to run a taxi service at breakeven pricing.

[@DarkEnjoi]

Prototype roadster is in the works

[@Van_Liberty]

Wouldn't it be awesome to have a Johnny Cab special edition!!!

[@robertvandeveer1846]

FSD is for people who see their car as an appliance... to each their own. I prefer to make each drive an experience. I enjoy the engagement of driver and vehicle. FSD kills that connection.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

And I like horses and sailboats. I suspect there will always be people who like antique technology and older people who like nostalgia. I suspect that you will be able to drive your car on public roads for maybe 50 more years before they bad manual driving for safety reasons. But even then, there will be tracks and parks where you can drive old model-T Fords and mid 1900's sports cars and even an ox cart if you like. But really in 50 years, most people would be terrified at the idea that someone on the road was manually driving a car and could kill them by making a tiny mistake. Today, manual drivers kill over 1,000,000 people worldwide every year. It is astonishing that we accept this as "normal". As said, don't worry, I still see people on horseback not far from my home here in California.

[@georgiahoosier]

If a third party company can make longer range batteries that are plug and play for older model Teslas, these cars are going to last a long time. I haven't seen a car since the mid 1960s that has an interior that wears like iron like my Model S.

[@kdlange6052]

Why only a 2 seater?

[@luiscaceres-qk4yk]

Cause there are other models to choose from.. choose a cyber truck to take you shopping if that what you like imagine the variety of options !!

[@danharold3087]

This event was to raise awareness of what is and what will be at Tesla. As such it hit a home run.

[@Klondike789]

I like how he cut to his face as he is trying out the Robotaxi. It reminded me of the boat scene in Charlie and the chocolate factory. Just needed Gene wilder singing "The wondrous boat ride" You′re going to love this - just love it! There's no earthly way of knowing Heh heh, he′s singing Which direction we are going There's no knowing where we're rowing Rowing! Or which way the river′s flowing Is it raining, is it snowing, is a hurricane a′ blowin'? Not a speck of light is showing So the danger must be growing Are the fires of hell a′ glowin'? Is the grizzly reaper mowing? YES The danger must be growing for the rowers keep on rowing and their certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing!!!

[@drewd7329]

“IT DID GREAT WITH ALLL THESE FLASHING LIGHTS” Meanwhile the path was entirely premapped and likely based on navigation.

[@jpizel1070]

It will always be based on navigation.

[@StefanSpeidel]

Every Tesla on the road is mapping every road…

[@chrisalbertson5838]

No. Because there were people walking and riding bikes in the street and the cars passed each other. Also, the pickup and drop-off spots were different for every trip. It works because the current fielded FSD they have today can do this kind of easy driving. They did not have to "fake" it because the demo course was within the capability of the current FSD ability. Any Model 3 could do this demo if FSD where enabled. OK, what they did have to do is disable the "driver attention" feature. A normal Model 3 would stop and refuse to drive unless it saw the driver looking attentive. The course lacks things that are "hard" like a firetruck with siens on or traffic cones and notice the lack of 4-way stops, only 2-way. And they limited the speed to "why slow". It was a real demo, just not one that is challenging to the current FSD software.

[@mason6300]

I have the impression this was supposed to be the "cheap" model they were originally working on, but they decided to scrap the robotaxi as a separate entity and use the design of the cheap 2 seater model and just call it the "taxi" instead. There is nothing taxi focused about this model.

[@AZdroptop]

The lack of maintenance cost is made up by how short tire life is.

[@evolv.e]

Not even close. Unless you’re way overpaying for tires.

[@unrealisticgoals]

@@evolv.e "way overpaying for tires" go check MYP and MSP tire prices, after that also check other options with the same sizes and come back to this comment.

[@mylesgray3470]

A lot of people say that, but my Model Y has over 20K miles and the original tires still have about 80% tread. The model S plaid has a tire wear problem due to rear camber but otherwise, the tires on Tesla cars last a normal amount of time if you don’t drive aggressively.

[@unrealisticgoals]

@@mylesgray3470 is your Y a SR or LR?

[@mylesgray3470]

@@unrealisticgoals Y LR and I drive in Chill mode but do floor it occasionally. I imaging the Model 3 RWD probably eats through tires pretty fast.

[@brianstevens7241]

Did I see the theater from Back To The Future?

[@glentonrichards]

The Robotaxi should’ve absolutely come out before the Cybertruck. This will have much more real world use than that horrible truck. Also, the Robotaxi model looks good but I think a 4 seat option would be more useful than simply a two-seater (and would likely become profitable faster). Either way, glad to finally see a prototype debuted. 👏

[@chrisalbertson5838]

Should have, but it would have been impossible. The taxi will have to wait until FSD actually works with zero intervention. That is still years away. Musk said "2027" but he is always overly optimistic. More like 2030 or later. Robotaxi is 100% dependent on FSD working.

[@zachb1706]

Robotaxi needs FSD to be ready, and uses a completely new build technique

[@whyworkwhenicanrap6830]

For anyone who talks bad about Elon and Tesla Build your own team and ev and all the things you think is better build it ten times as better

[@mjcapinto]

It's clear to me, based on the design differences between the robotaxi and the robovan that the awaited "model 2" would actually be 80% of what the robotaxi is. The company is moving its focus to automation, there will be less and less interest in the "sexy" line-up with human drivers.

[@jackbell4540]

This FSD financing has not rolled out in Canada yet.

[@beneteau3312]

Be nice if they would fix the ghost breaking when in cruise control, all they robo taxi s will stop witha nice rainstorm

[@naterobinson5141]

I’m critical of Elon’s timeline for FSD, yes the technology has come a long way however Elon has been saying FSD is right around the corner for a long time. The future is bright for Tesla, I just don’t see before 2027 or by 2027.

[@elainebradley8213]

We've paid nothing to service our Tesla in the past year. We change our own tires and do have to buy windshield wiper fluids.

[@ToddHarris]

Some incentives for current owners would be nice.

[@briand5379]

Not to be a dick, but Tesla spent a month mapping it out ahead of the event because the whole event was on a closed lot, so it should run smooth with minimal hiccups. A problem I see Tesla running into is getting approval for the Cybercab with no driver controls, they could get around that by using a MY for now. The reason I say that is because Waymo runs into issues periodically which require a person to drive the vehicle, which makes me wonder if Tesla's going to have to tow their Cybercab when they stall out.

[@chrisalbertson5838]

Listen to Elon's plan, FIRST they will release the software to current owners of Model 3 and Model Y, then a year later they release the RoboTaxi. This allows Tesla to gather data and prove that "zero driver intervention" was needed. It is a smart plan if they can make it work. He is letting real people do testing first in a vehicle with a steering wheel. And only AFTER it is shown to work does he sell cars with no steering wheel. Not only that but the people doing his testing pay him $8000 for the software just before it is released for free in the taxi.