New torch setup for oxy propane and oxy acetylene torch options

[@calebmcintosh01]

Hey John. I’ve been meaning to say thanks for all of the awesome vids that you put out. I’ve been watching for a while now and I always love what you have to share. Your knowledge is a real bonus for all of us novice blacksmiths. I can also see the value of your knowledge for the more “seasoned” blacksmith as well. Keep up the great work. Thank you.

[@BlackBearForge]

Thanks, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos

[@johnjude2685]

As a brazer for Lennox Industry builders of furnace and air-conditioning. We had automatic ignition spark to light our , Our old system had poliet lighter of a gas flame Thanks John Switzer for the many times you have helped.

[@outdoorzone]

You gave me some great ideas for my propane setup! You have a kool setup!! Thx for sharing!

[@donellis2731]

Everything has a place. And in its place. Some times I feel like I spend more time trying to be organized than I do working. Enjoyed the video. Gave me even more to think about.

[@BlackBearForge]

Boy I know that feeling

[@HowRJ]

I love this set up.....having more than you actually need is also my style......it's all about having options - "You may never, but you could".......the only things missing are a flame throwing & flame cannon......I only hope that you have a commercial kitchen fire suppression set up.......

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Excellent video. I gave up oxy/acetylene years ago becasue I no longer weld with that gas. I just cut now with oxy/propane or plasma. Fo welding, I just use MIG, TIG or Stick. Simple for a garage shop weldor.

[@totherarf]

Everyone has their own setup that suits them. They see something in another shop and they apply it to their own ...... That is how good ideas evolve! Thanks for the look at your setup!

[@marty01957]

Very nice set up ,John!

[@larryking606]

Good Morning , John , You Sir Always have such Great Information, that you put out to This Blacksmithing Family ! I do look forward to your Videos, And am Thankful for them ! I do Think about what I say, in the comments section ! I say what I feel at the time, after watching The Video ! I don't butter up ANYONE , SUCK UP OR BS ! Not my Style ! I Feel what I Say ! So not to bore you , But only To Thank You , giving me more Knowledge, that I may grow in My goal in my Love for BLACKSMITHING !

[@onecrowingrooster2239]

May not be a hundred percent done but your a hundred percent ahead of me lol. Great shop. Thanks John. Have a great week.

[@MrGian91]

Beautiful workshop!

[@grandadz_forge]

Thanks for introducing me to the gas saver. I love the convenience as well as the savings.

[@mordantly]

Nice options there! If I need it, it's there. Nothing worse than needing it and not having it.

[@derekrouleau9197]

Nice setup, really enjoying and learning a lot from your videos.

[@oldscout7]

That is a very slick and practical set-up! So versatile.

[@BlackBearForge]

Thanks

[@bootlegblades6276]

That my friend is the coolest (or hottest would be more appropriate) most elaborate torch set up I've ever seen! I love it!!!! I also do everything in over kill mode

[@PunXX0r]

Damn... this video gives me serious shop envy.

[@johnjude2677]

If I had the $$$$ as a young man I could had used a torch many time but my dad didn't teach but to fight so looking back I didn't bring up my son as that and he's a better man today. No I am to old to justifie the cost. Thanks John

[@bentoombs]

Love the torch setup. one day in my shop, that's a great template. Thanks John

[@richardsolomon8076]

Nice job John, excellent multi use setup well done, very efficient :-)

[@dougp4614]

I like the way you have that set up. Have a great day.

[@leontorkelson6246]

Good information, I have been thinking of an oxy/ propane torch set up.

[@countrycraftsman5110]

Best set up i have seen.

[@danielcrawford7315]

Nice set up. One can never have too many options... at least untill ya run outa space in the smithy lol! Blessings to ya now, Crawford out 🧙‍♂️

[@loganrench5680]

I love my cobra torch i use it for welding aluminum when i cant get it clean enough to tig weld it also works good for cast aluminum i can boil the dirt out as i weld

[@emmengel]

Great video John and you are doing a hook of the week

[@BlackBearForge]

Every Sunday

[@emmengel]

I meant you should do a hook of the week to hang the hoses on

[@PeakyBlinder]

You have the workshop in my dreams, Can I have it please lol. Very nice setup.

[@allenlyman5439]

I love all of your videos. You put so much time and effort into making them clear and easy to understand for a beginner. I have a propane torch and i heat my house with propane and have been wondering how i could hook up my torch to my tank. Would it be possible for you to let me know how you did it?

[@ValMartinIreland]

There is a development in Britain and Ireland with Hobby weld small cylinders for Acetylene and Oxygen. The acetylene withdrawal rate is limited but its is good for brazing and welding. The two cylinders can be moved to the work on a trolly. The oxygen can be used with a small propane cylinder to heading, brazing and cutting.

[@NeilGraham.I.M.F]

Great set up. Wish i could afford it. 1 day i will

[@seantbr2019]

That is fancy

[@jonas2431]

I love my craftsman tool box its convenient

[@manga12]

quickrelease valves very handy and side by side, just make sure its on secure acetyline is no joke very explosive and hot but you know that being a retired fire fighter and long time blacksmith

[@im4dabirds]

great vid, thks

[@firesafe8417]

Great video, lots of good info. Thank you Sir.

[@hannemannironworks1651]

This is magic!

[@mikechapple2363]

Very timely video....as I'm moving into my new building, I'm scraping for all the setup hacks I can get. Thanks.

[@PeakyBlinder]

Like it, A lot.

[@johndilsaver8409]

Very well organized good looking set up. I have separate propane tanks, 500 gallon, shop and house. I'm just getting set up with the one for the shop. I'd be interested to hear what pressure comes from the tank to the shop to feed the various

[@johndilsaver8409]

uses, the torch, and the propane forge.

[@brettsayers7768]

great set up, mine is just on a trolley that i move around when needed.

[@BlackBearForge]

That works well, but I didn't have the space I wanted for the cart.

[@OuroborosArmory]

Need to get my oxy propane torch working... I guess it’s on my list.

[@Jake-tt6mk]

You should move to St. Augustine, Florida... PLEASE!!

[@Carterironworks]

With a little time and some fittings you can build a manifold for your oxygen tank allowing you to add on in the future if necessary. You are building some different hooks with some priceless material from your bucket, perhaps you could build hooks for your touches for that for a video

[@shadetreeforge]

It would be my luck that if I had 50ft of hose I would never use it at all, than find out later that Wow! I really should have had that extra 50ft of hose! Thanks for the video!

[@dragonwaterforge]

Man i so love your shop can i live there lol

[@Hans-Yolo]

Why is it everytime he says hose my brain thinks something different and i have to smile? 🤣

[@suyujin4178]

Do you have a video of you using the henrob torch? I've tried looking, but all I can find are the 10 year old videos from the company. I'd love to see some more modern uses, as I've come into possession of one and would love to see a bit more about them and how they work!

[@BlackBearForge]

I don't have a specific video, but I did show it in use on this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o57Penh8gq6NoK8si=aLYuP9Hpq-hcD2GJ

[@paulpings]

My favourite quote " I got fed up with dealing with hoes"! I'm right there with you on that one brother!

[@skyedangelo3237]

god this had me rolling for the rest of the video... couldn't hear him say hose with out grinning

[@illumiNOTme326]

That is so bad ass

[@richardmckinney2646]

I love my cobra

[@pablorodriguezalvarez8456]

Good night John. I have an acetylene torch with acetylene nozzles. If I want to use it for propane, would it be enough to just change the nozzle (small piece) for a propane one to the acetylene lance that I already have? This way I don't have to change the entire lance, just the tip. Could you answer it for me? thank you

[@mikepettengill2706]

I wondered how you had that set up. I am thinking about getting a propane torch since I took a welding sampler class and we did some torch work on a ring for a bell clapper. It was so much fun getting that steel 'mango orange' and then bending it. Also, blending the ends of the ring with a torch, bringing the ends to liquid heat and watching them just melt together was amazing. Do you think a Propane only torch is a good set up for a casual. home garage smith? They only used acetylene at the shop where I took the class.

[@BlackBearForge]

Propane is great for cutting and heating, but not really very well suited for welding. A propane only torch doesn't get hot enough for most work, so oxy propane is much better

[@mikepettengill2706]

@@BlackBearForge awesome, that is what I was thinking although I didn't say 'Oxy'. I already have the propane tanks so I will just have to add the other. Buy or rent? what do you think if I wont be going through the bottles really quickly?

[@hosiercraft9675]

Nice set up. But don't worry, a hose less delivery system is being researched. So far a single proton or electron can be teleported. Not yet an atom or molecule. But WiFi torches are in the way. :)

[@BlackBearForge]

That would be great. Just download the gas directly from the supplier without needing to go to town

[@jsplasha]

With the regs where is live, those oxygen tanks would have to be kept in a seperate building, a detached structure, from the torch. Probably why the hoses come so long.

[@Devin82m]

Great video, thanks for sharing. What brands of oxy acetylene torch kits would you suggest? I took a welding course from a local blacksmith (whom looked almost exactly like you strangely enough) and we started with oxy welding, it was great.

[@BlackBearForge]

I like Victor, but Smith is also good. In the long run going with a brand that is locally supported might be the best option

[@paulorchard7960]

I need to go LPG instead of acetylene , I will look into it!

[@apdoghanm6461]

I work in welding, shaping, detailing and all stages of manufacturing, and I am looking for a job that can help me

[@GibClark]

Nice set up👍👍

[@michaelhansen1669]

hey john is it passible to use compressair and Lpg to cut ?

[@BlackBearForge]

No, you need oxygen to burn the material out, it isn't simply a matter of blowing it away. However electric plasma cutters do use compressed air as part of the process.

[@threeriversforge1997]

Very nice. I've been looking for a Oxy-Propane rig for awhile but haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. It'd be nice to put a splitter on the 100# tank that feeds my forge so I could spot heat at the vise when I needed. My only real need for a torch would be cutting and localized heating since I don't weld or braze as yet. Do you use genuine "gas saver" valves or is there another brand/model that's just as good? How long does a bottle of O2 seem to last you? I wouldn't be using a torch nearly as much as you, but I'm curious what I might be in for.

[@BlackBearForge]

My valves are made by Smith

[@timocsutube]

Hi John, I was wondering if the fuel saver would be worth it for the short tank life porta torch setup? Thanks in advance

[@BlackBearForge]

probably, but it adds more complication to something that was meant to be portable. The gas saver needs to be mounted to something.

[@timocsutube]

@@BlackBearForge sweet, I didn't buy it for portability yet...just to work on things like, well, roses like you said and goofy sizes

[@BigWillSD]

I've been hearing more and more about oxy LP set ups. I've been waiting a torch set for a while and I think I need to research this lp more. Thanks for sharing!! ** On a side note can u share a link to your video that has the link to where you got your blacksmithing gloves?

[@anthonyfoxcroft4869]

John, where did you get the jet for the gas saver for propane? I've had a oxy acetylene gas saver for a number of years and as I moved over to oxy propane I'd like to re-jet the thing. The propane jet seems to be scarcer than hens teeth and rocking horse droppings.

[@BlackBearForge]

I couldn’t find just the jet. So I ended up buying an entire unit set up for propane.

[@anthonyfoxcroft4869]

@@BlackBearForge Ahh, that's what I was trying to avoid. I can buy a propane jet from the UK, but the postage is more than the item... but still cheaper than a whole new unit, so I might have to go down this route. Thanks for the reply.

[@refinersfireforge8273]

I'm having trouble getting my welding/heating tip to light on my oxy lpg (propane). When I try and light it the flame is a long way from the tip and it goes out as soon as it's away from the pilot light. Any suggestions for to fix this?

[@chrisdonner2910]

Try turning down your propane at the torch to start, then add a little oxygen, then alternate increasing both to desired flame.

[@K1Racer.]

What is the make of the on and off torch setup

[@BlackBearForge]

Smith

[@apdoghanm6461]

I work in welding, shaping, detailing and all stages of manufacturing, and I am looking for a job that can help me

[@cutweldngrind]

I need a torch for cutting and did not even now propane would work. Can anyone recommend me a decent Torch kit that I could use propane tips on. I use as plasma cutter but sometimes a torch comes handy.

[@BlackBearForge]

I use a victor torch body and buy special tips for propane

[@cutweldngrind]

@@BlackBearForge I was looking into Victor units just need to find one I can get those tips for. I'm new to cutting torches so might get a decent one to avoid headaches. Thanks

[@Fire_arc_and_muscle]

What torch tips are you using for propane? Do you have a link?

[@BlackBearForge]

I use tips designed for my torch handle and for propane. In my case those are Victor tips. Check with your local welding supplier for the exact part numbers.

[@Fire_arc_and_muscle]

Black Bear Forge I was actually looking for tips for a Victor torch. My LWS is smith but I emailed Victor to ask. Thank you for the reply.

[@The52brandon]

Get a Homefill to be able to fill your own oxygen cylinders. Even cheaper and easier than propane

[@potatohamlin5242]

Can u weld with propane instead of c2h2

[@BlackBearForge]

I have never had good luck with it

[@potatohamlin5242]

@@BlackBearForge awwwwww :(

[@1873Winchester]

I've heard propanes cheaper cost is offset by the higher oxygen consumption? I'm looking at something red though and it's your hoses, you said they where for propane, but they're red? Is that normal color scheme in america? Here only acetylene hoses are red, propane hoses have to be orange, because the two gasses need different materials and it helps avoid mix ups.

[@BlackBearForge]

Here you can buy acetylene only hoses or dual purpose hoses, both are red but have different letter designations marked on the hose. So far I have not seen much increase in oxygen use and since it costs so little when compared to acetylene I doubt it will be an issue.

[@1873Winchester]

​@@BlackBearForge Thanks for the reply. It's interesting to compare and contrast. I am looking into what type of oxyfuel setup to get. I have two sets of my fathers torches, he used them with acetylene. Brand is AGA X11, injector based for both welding and cutting so different than most US based torches I believe. They can used for cutting with propane with new cutting tips. I believe fuel gasses are a lot more expensive here due to near monopoly situation. I'd pay 350 for a new 11 liter oxygen bottle and 50 euros to swap it in for a filled one. I think it's equivalent to 70 cubic feet of O2 in the US.

[@TomokosEnterprize]

Great set up John. I couldn't tell you how many hours in my working life untangling cables and hoses or how many times I have tripped on them.

[@ARCSTREAMS]

wow first time i see a vid with so many thumbs up and zero thumbs down,,now can you help me? i have made a small oxy/mappro or oxy/propane torch and i am having trouble brazing steel rods together using cooper wire,the heat it takes to start melting the Cu makes the steel crud and burn and it comes out ugly after hard work cleaning it,,i used borax and water paste and even tried some brazing flux that comes from in hard rock form than needed to be pasted with water but they all cant stand the heat when working with copper,could it be i am using too many strands of Cu wires?

[@BlackBearForge]

I have never brazed using copper before, so I'm not sure how it might be different than the brass rod I typically use. If you're burning, you may have too much oxygen

[@ARCSTREAMS]

@@BlackBearForge im not burning but the work pieces are getting so hot it's on the edge of oxidizing and getting porosity because its taking too long for the copper to melt so it's creating a cruddy joint despite my attempt to use flux ,maybe i am using too much copper?

[@Aa-wv4gh]

Great system , I'd like to share a story my welding professor in college told the class, he worked in a ship yard in San Diego , one time his coworker was killed after screwing his torch up to a line , he didn't catch it but a spider climbed into the port on the torch fitting , when he tightened it , it crushed the spider , when he turned on the valve , the oils in the spider set off the oxygen.

[@WhiteDesignsUSA]

You can use the same tips for propane that you would for acetylene. All you've got to do is drill the tip out a little.

[@drachenfeuer5042]

How and what do I need for oxy propane setup as I’m doing jewelry and small art with micro torch #3---#7 tips where do I go to buy all the stuff if I already have the micro torch and hoses. HEEEEELLLLLLPPPP!!!!!

[@BlackBearForge]

The big difference is the tips. Check with your supplier or the torch manufacture to find out what you need.

[@flyback_driver]

Damn hoes always in the way and laying on the floor... Sorry man I couldn't pass that up but thank you for making this video.

[@thomasmckelvey8961]

Why not MAPP as your fuel gas? It's FAR safer than Acetylene and burns hotter...

[@OstrichWrestler]

Acetylene actually burns a couple hundred degrees hotter. I just looked at Wiki to confirm that, and as an addition, if it's to be believed the increased amount of hydrogen in the MAPP gas combustion results in a more brittle weld in steel. So it's not even close to as cost efficient as Oxy/Propane and not as good for welding steel as Oxy/Acetlyne. MAPP gas certainly has it's uses but it's gonna take some convincing to be my first choice if I'm working with steel.

[@thomasmckelvey8961]

@@OstrichWrestler Wiki? Please. When I went through U.S.N. Seabee Steelworker "A" School @ NAVCONTRACEN in Gulfport Ms. back in 1980, our text manuals cited Mil Stds (Steelworker 3 & 2) & Instructors w/MAPP specifically as being a hotter cutting flame & safer, not a volatile fuel as is Acetylene. I'm sure the Navy is still using Mapp in the schools today. Perhaps you've seen the video of the Russian(?) trash talking safety rules who then blows himself up striking his Acet Tank w/a hammer... Weld properties & Brittleness? Weak Sauce, Bro. Pretty sure the only industry that relies on oxy/fuel welding anymore are muffler shops, and they're more than likely going to Innershield, but I'm sure the old-hands still check for leaks with acet. escaping the weld area. For a REAL SOURCE go to www.aws.org/ A Tip of the Hat & Salute to SW2's Bassett & Nichols, my class' Instructors!!! Hey guys, Is my 3-piece 90* still in the display case?!?!

[@bilbobaggins3389]

what a load of WAFFLE .