NEW Update Makes Some Crazy PERK Changes...

[@virtuosic09]

Maybe perks should be eliminated altogether, and this game should be bare bones like at launch, when it was wayy scarier and wayy more fun

[@mrmhj9925]

Yes! This is what I’m talking about.

[@madeofscars363]

True

[@Gorgeousme30]

I’m hoping with all of these buffs to family more people will play family. We need more family players. Although I wish they’d fix the lobby system over any of the perk adjustments.

[@bsummers1386]

Maaaan I tried to play family the other day for the first time (survivor only player here) and tell me why the other family member talked so much shit for my bubba level being so low lmao like damn 😪😂

[@ronaldmcdonald4103]

​@@bsummers1386 play enough victim to get your family members to 10 a low level family member is a huge hinderance for family

[@nancyplays6885]

there is no lack of family its the extensive of dodging that ruin that experience

[@TomTheEGamer575]

@@nancyplays6885 yep for absolutely no reason they come in the lobby is full 2 seconds later they leave 😂

[@mittenmonroe6211]

This is not how you make people play family! Making family op is how you lose more people

[@laroo5958]

The developers have ruined this game. They don’t know what they are doing and it shows with every update!

[@pickleambush]

How about for Empowered you slowly get the health back similar to Extra Drip instead of all in one go? That way the victims will have to be more careful about grapples because they can easily die if the health regen is a slow tick. Empowered will be another dead perk like Choose Flight now if they go with this.

[@SlashNCast]

Yeah, I like that

[@CROW6487]

That's perfect!

[@juturna-2931]

This games so cooked, no pun intended - every time I get on and can’t find a lobby, it’s just made obvious sadly

[@jasondavis2995]

Really..... my only Lobby issue these days is people Lobby dodging because they're scared of who they're going against😂

[@juturna-2931]

@@jasondavis2995 Idk about that, all I know is victims don’t play killer at all and expect ppl to fill their lobbies, like nah you wish

[@madamfright]

Or when you do finally get all 3 family game starts and the family disconnect on you while you try and tend to 4 vics trolling you 🫠

[@sissyissokind]

@@jasondavis2995nobody wants to play with a character who can get an exit open in 3 seconds and keep it open for everyone to follow behind, if you have a danny in your lobby who knows what hes doing then you need a bubba who might kill him in the basement, if danny makes it out of the basement thats an instant gg for the victims, people like to have games that play out in an interesting way, he makes games boring as hell, so yeah im gonna keep dodging everytime i see him, as a fam main i can find another game in under a minute so it really doesnt bother us, maybe dont play as this trash ass play to win character and people wouldnt dodge you

[@juturna-2931]

@@HiHi-yk1mvgames dead, who cares lmao I tried again yesterday and the vibe is gone unfortunately

[@noahmcpherson1138]

Unlimited stam on leatherface is the problem , just make his chainsaw rev faster so he can overhead sooner but once he runs lows on stam he cant sprint

[@AriGrande]

Killers should not have LF's killing cutscene.

[@Cee-rn4xb]

I’m glad family side has a buff !

[@xscorpionix9448]

Where you been the past 5 patches

[@Scantronacon]

@@xscorpionix9448 Example? Cuz it seems like you just wanna be a jerk

[@xscorpionix9448]

@@Scantronacon I write a list for you: choose flight nerf; being able to turn off fuse; bone scrap nerf; stun nerf; mean while family perks were literally untouched until now and they are more buffs.. do I need to keep going?

[@sissyissokind]

@@xscorpionix9448its almost like victims are so empowered that unless you camp every single exit and have a team with comms, they can infinitely grapple you, loop you if you’re not hitch or sissy, and get exit gates open in 3 seconds, victims dont fear family members at all anymore, especially as a sissy main, victims have no respect for my poison, they dance in it, bully me the whole game by t bagging, grappling with choose fight and rushing the hell out of objectives, maybe you guys will actually have to fear family members a bit now and actually be careful, almost like thats how its supposed to be

[@mrduckford9987]

Certified victim main​@@xscorpionix9448

[@kylexile87]

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a game that 6+ months after it came out I can clearly state that the game was more balanced at launch than it is now. I got so sick of getting bullied by victims yesterday that for the first time I just closed the game out. It wasn’t even rage at what was happening to me, it was me wondering why I’m playing a game that the devs obviously have no clue how to balance.

[@iangbrad97]

Sounds like a skill issue

[@loathe_04]

you just haven't had me on the team 😏

[@kylexile87]

@@iangbrad97 that will work real well when the games dead because so many people have quit playing. If you actually think this games balanced then I don’t really care about your thoughts on the game lol.

[@iangbrad97]

@@kylexile87 it’s pretty balanced imo and I think most would agree. Ppl just complain when the game doesnt go their way. Play with ppl it’s a lot better than solo queue

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

​@@iangbrad97sounds like an incel issue from you

[@coldshot1611]

I guess they did say this because last stream they said they want leatherface to feel like a bigger presence. I think they did the scout perk on purpose they want to make leatherface stronger also with the door slams fix as well.

[@macrossluv]

Riley you are more optimistic about the developers “tuning” of scout than I am. I think they just gave in to the whims and cries of family mains and gave this perk a buff. Keep in mind also the grapple animation was never fixed so I think it’s fair to not mess with choose fight.

[@Cronin115]

Bro, I stg, all they have to do to fix 90% of the perks is to add cool downs so it's not exploitable. And some passive perks already have built-in cool down timers so it would be nothing to add it to them. Ie empowered, keep the health regen, but add a cool down of 90, 60, and then 30 seconds like spore loser. That way it's still a good perk people will want to run, but you can't just spam it back-to-back. Same thing with that perk they nerfed a while back that restored victim stamina three times. Still have it give you three charges at level three, but add like a 30-second cool down.

[@HaileyDoll99]

Your idea is genius. I love the idea of cool down.. especially when in comparison to Sissy's spore loser. It makes a lot of sense and would still be a beneficial perk to use. Now, IMO, empowered is useless. I only grapple if need be... like Johnny with serrated on my heals, and if he lands 2 hits on me before I can grapple (due to stun immunity or poor ping or whatever at the moment) then Im nearly dead and stun time is pretty short unless you run choose fight. The healing effect from empowered was all that kept me alive at times. I also would love them to revamp the choose flight perk to be passive the entire game and give maybe 50% stamina back every minute so its 1.5 bars and would help if youre caught out in the open. Also I think no sell should have a rework to be a passive perk instead of 3 charges... highly reduce the amount of damage it decreases and make it maybe 40-50% less damage, but it works the whole game with a cool down. I think some perk adjustments rather than straight nerfs that make the perk useless would make this game much better.

[@redfieldson]

Can't wait!! ❤‍🔥

[@moneytime1556]

I play Tamil and I love playing family. The only issue I have is some family members don’t know how to play as family. They need to learn to patrol around and stop going into the basement. That’s where the issue usually starts because victims can escape the basement and then it’s usually 2 vs 4 and they spam the bone scrap and then one of the victims get to fuse or balance or door and escape.

[@omarouarraoui3359]

Riley, you play with your squad. That makes the game extremely easier for you than for us solo queuers, which means that you don't realize just how toxic and entitled victims have gotten since the grappling meta. Even you struggle sometimes with them during your streams. Well, it's ten thousand times worse for us. These changes are great for family. The killer side needs to be stronger than the victim side.

[@SlashNCast]

I have literally HUNDREDS of hours solo queuing. Just had two streams last week only playing with one person. So, let's just stop with this "I don't understand" stuff. I reiterate yet again, changes need to be made to the Victim metas, but buffing Leatherface to the point that he is broken af isn't the answer.

[@dburt0021]

Maybe the LF and Johnny perk buffs will encourage more ppl to play family? Definitely makes them more scary.

[@locomojoboy2]

You don’t “encourage” people to play one side by shafting the other side

[@darrenJ99]

​@locomojoboy2 how did victim get shafted? Fast hand still is busted and extra drip is decent and not bad. Honestly if u die it ain't cut extra drip got perfect its a skill issue

[@Melontree2013]

Thanks for the update! 👌🏼

[@demonovationable]

They buffed family to bring in more family players. Makes 100% sense to me.

[@muysli.y1855]

What i rlly wan't is a rush nerf. I never saw any surv who wiggle slowly from hook at the start, everyone make noises, because Family is stuck in a cutscene. Making noises should more punish.

[@random.guy897o]

rushing is absolutely powerful in tcm I always play danny rushing build and almost all my matches end in me wining, and if I die it's mostly a skill issue from me the build is slippery,fast hands, and extra drip try it out.

[@christophercardarelli1328]

I think I know why they did this with scout and Leatherface. That because the only person that might counters the new Scout and Leatherface build would have to be Virginia. Mmm which you have to buy for her boon ability to counter it. Even then you still got practice and throwing your boon at the right time.

[@PluggedHades62]

The reason family got buffed is because against a good victim team is unbeatable

[@locomojoboy2]

And how often do you run into a good victim team when no one on your team is communicating

[@moneytime1556]

I do run into good victim teams and they spam the hell out the bone scraps. While - of the victims get to valve or fuse or exit the door. My issue was the bone scraps

[@unknown0560]

Ill play something else until they fix this but if this goes on for 2 weeks, im uninstalling.

[@JCAP9209]

Good. One hit Leatherface should be a thing. It should always be a thing. And again for the 10 millionth time, THEY. ARE. CALLED. VICTIMS!!! That wasn’t an accident.

[@rocky_mochiii]

People keep complaining about which side is more broken the thing about video games people are always gonna find the most broken thing to win. It’s up to the devs to patch things quicker and keep updating. The devs will probably need to make more money so they can keep updating the game so they need to make better skins ( swimwear pack 😢) more family, victims and ect. It’s like this in any game you have to keep updating because players will always find something unbalanced.

[@vuxnut]

I wish they were looking at the lobbies. All they have to do is make them blind. Killers don't see the survivors, and so forth. Each side only sees that the other side has readied up. Then, competent AI to run with if people DC when they see a certain map or killer survivor, etc.

[@Obi-Wan-Kenobi_]

Im happy for scout change mainly because im a cook player and i dont use it for leatherface. I personally think Nancys savagery should be increased. I know she's on the elder side like Cook, yet he has the second highest damage and he has a stick. She should hit harder with a weapon like what she has.

[@rodneyhall1033]

I agree with you bub. I run Bubba full time and it's gonna be rough for victims.

[@saneasylum100]

Sheesh this is a lot to unpack, it really could go 50/50 on if these are good changes or bad changes. Good for leatherface, as that has been the trend for him and Johnny the past couple of fixes, but horrible news for victims, would much rather have them focused on lobby fixes and bugs. I feel like they thru in ideas and said fuck it lol which is fine if the game is in a good state, but there are SO many bugs and immediate fixes that aren’t here… which is sad.

[@kiirrrkiiooo1658]

At this point just remove all the perks or create a like hardcore mode that way the game can be equally balanced and scary again like at launch

[@JasonLives666]

The Scout change is deceiving. Its no doubt a buff for LF undeniable. However you are now basically forced to run Fired up with Scout whereas before you didn't, because now you take a 25 percent stamina regen hit when you combine the new scout with the new fired up. That's an absolute nerf on every other family member. Empowered needed to be changed because it makes Ana and Leland basically need to be triple teamed to be killed, IF the Ana or Leland was competant. All 3 family can't be expected to patrol AND triple team one victim just to keep them away from an objective. It was way too much on them, maybe fair on Connie/Sonny/Julie though. Plus, we also have to take into account how much they break stuff with every update. So I expect this update won't go through unscathed. How many times have they said they fixed Rough Cuts for instance? At least twice over the last several months that I recall and its still broken. I do agree that LF could just go without Scout on his tree though. I'd rather that then they try to get silly and change how his stamina works. I'd rather just remove Scout then from his tree.

[@SlashNCast]

At the end of the day, the Scout change seems to really only hurt Cook and Nancy builds - who are the only two characters that didn't need a nerf when it came to Scout...

[@Rj-pw7zs]

You have 10% slower stamina regen. It's nothing. It's literally a quarter of a second longer.

[@locomojoboy2]

10% reduction in stamina regen is NOTHING. It’s as meaningless as the 10% dmg reduction it used to have.

[@JonathanRamirez-kd3zv]

I think the scout change is great. Makes johnny and bubba even scarier.

[@pickleambush]

Sucks for Cook and Nancy though. LF and Johnny are already a big threat.

[@loathe_04]

their already scary enough with one dumb cheesy lunges and other no need for stamina for swings

[@Rj-pw7zs]

This change doesn't hurt Nancy and Cook. It's a buff to every family member.

[@JonathanRamirez-kd3zv]

@@Rj-pw7zs naw it could hurt them. Theyre slow and slowing theyre stam regen might blow ngl

[@Rj-pw7zs]

@@JonathanRamirez-kd3zv it'll add a quarter of a second to their regen time. It's an absolutely meaningless negative.

[@jakelewis6198]

good hopefully more people queue up for family now

[@Jonny_956]

Hopefully this will help bring some family mains back. This game still has some potential to keep on going for a while

[@napalmjack]

Scout, hysterical vial-ent on Leatherface is gonna be like smoking crack now.

[@Millenniuhm]

I understand 1 shot LeatherFace is an “issue” to some but I think yall are forgetting that No Sell is a thing. Many Victims have it.

[@SlashNCast]

You can knockout No Sell so quickly tho. It's What Doesn't Kill You that really makes the overhead tough.

[@LiamNashMiller]

I agree with a large amount of the community that scout should have just been removed from certain family and not nerfed (or buffed in this case). Other changes are pretty good, extra drip especially feels right where it should be. I am not sure if empowered needed nerfed that bad, but choose fight is definitely in need of work next patch. It is by far the worst perk to deal with as a family member currently. W video as always Riley.

[@PatrickVieiradeSousa]

They are basically making victims more easily killable. This won't stop the rushing. Why? Because if victims gives family time, teh chances are low. I Play both sides and play as a family with Cook and Nancy most of the time. And the biggest problem with family players is they get the ego consume them and use the brain.

[@Dearrickyy]

U all forget, that not everybody is a sweaty player like yall, casuals exists and they not gonna continue playing if one taps exist lorddd

[@Meta_Reef]

To think I was about to buy TCM because it’s on sale instead of using the game pass but thankfully I seen the patch notes time to take a month or two break again.

[@bsummers1386]

6:02 with these buffs they just need to bring back choose flight original functionality. Stamina bar refill and 3 charges. I’ll even take 2 charges 😭😂

[@IamJacksLPs]

Bubba go BRRRRR. I have been a strong advocate for not running scout on bubba, because it just cripples your early game and let's be honest its a bit of a crutch....but now.....Scouts back on the menu. Now if i could just get master key and rough cuts on my scout build i will be in heaven. Kool-aid man bubba

[@mr.reggit4060]

Not enough changes for me to come back to the game

[@MrRed092]

I think scout should have been left the way it was

[@Freddy_Lugosi]

Hilarious to see all the crying about nerfing victims. Meanwhile the most ridiculous change of all is making the grappler perk MORE effective. Should be an absolute last resort, or at the very least likelihood of winning it should be decreased with each engagement.

[@LilysBad]

It really is. Vics will still be able to easily win grapples, and with Choose Fight still being busted you get to stand there for 10 seconds not being able to move, while still OP Fast Hands Virginia/Danny pop open a gate in your face, or Leland/Ana kick off gen, or Danny tampers. Virginia’s powder can even act as a stun if she chooses the path that depletes Family’s stamina, it brings it to 0 and you’re just stuck in the animation, blind, unable to move out of the cloud, unable to regain stamina, it’s BS. Family needs these buffs, and more.

[@shintaii8608]

Yes the real change to be made is here, but again the devs don't listen and it's getting painful, the scout didn't need an up.. Whether they modify the grappler or increase the probability of success on the family and its will change everything, you will have players who will not seek combat but just to flee from what remains the base of the victims, but the devs prefer to make them fighters. The right balance is 50% vs 50% and not 20% vs 50% otherwise it doesn't work and creates continual abuse Virginia I'm dac with you, me level 3 it's cracked and your no family member with such an abused thing, I hate this character, a real nightmare in game, lightning door opening, blindness over powered, where is the balance with the family and with this kind of meta no one will want to play family, So you have to balance it with a new character just as abused, ability to redo the lock and lock the doors again lol it would really piss the world off;)

[@ericloftley9287]

Other op perks will be touched in the next patch update I believe. Choose fight about to get hit hard I presume

[@alexlewis6089]

I believe they just need to look at everybody skills tree on the victim side to make it fair. If they do that that may make more people want to play as family, then victim going forward...

[@Mr.massacre]

The family is back 😊

[@Johnnymomoa6499]

It's unbalanced they buff killers too much and they nerf victims too much! What are they thinking!!

[@IAmProdAG]

I disagree with your opinion on Empowered. Empowered is a great nerf. The perk is for you to be able to fight the family and run away and replan. Not fight the family and just keeping doing it Because you get more and more health.

[@random.guy897o]

Empowered was a high risk high reward perk but because of grappler it became a low risk high reward perk Empowered alone is ok, great sometimes but definitely not op, the issue comes when it's combined with grappler I feel like a grappler nerf and a small Empowered nerf was going to be enough but the developers decided to kill the perk for good, to make sure that the grappler meta is going to be over

[@andrewlyfe9410]

They need to fix the server for lobbies and start adding penalties for leaving lobbies to their characters' stats. Obviously you wanted to play which is why you're in the lobby. Don't punk out when you think it's going to be a challenge.

[@Rj-pw7zs]

They really are killing my desire to play this game.

[@toyhunter9]

Let’s make victims so powerful they can tbag every game make killers weak 🤣

[@toyhunter9]

You’re nuts couldn’t disagree more

[@SlashNCast]

That's what happens when you only play Family

[@RickyhoImes]

@@SlashNCastpeople don’t realize half the game is the other side

[@AceJusticeX]

People don’t realize that asymmetrical games are alittle hard to balance

[@SlashNCast]

Oh no, I more than understand that. What we're talking about here is completely not understanding what is creating the imbalance.

[@richardbeathe9177]

It seems like they want Victims to be Victims. 🤘💀🤘 can't wait to try these changes.

[@James_outlaw]

The scout nerf isnt even a nerf...they just gave You A 15% damage increase It Should Be Stamina AND Damage reduction

[@zwergz1122]

No

[@sixfo684]

*10%

[@rebeccaquill8550]

So will u stilll get it if u reach lvl 99 after

[@SlashNCast]

Yes you will

[@thehorrorcounselors4747]

I’ve been having a blast on abandoned mill as Danny, so many family members don’t think of the water tank as much as the gen/bat/fuse…But yeah, The extra drip nerf sucks especially when faced with a sweaty Johnny, I can’t wait to get the blacked outfit for Danny tomorrow!

[@SaderabinGaming]

not just johnny bubba mains also

[@renatogarcia212]

leatherface will finally be stronger than goddess ana or not.

[@hannahmontana9950]

Them victims ruined the game. So it’s about time the family gets all the buffs. So idk why this guy is mad about family mains getting buffed.

[@SlashNCast]

Sigh

[@random.guy897o]

dead by daylight syndrome

[@0619rays0619]

Honestly I don't see this as a bad update, family is dead on all platforms, victims still have perks like no sell that can counteract 1 shot builds and if any victim needed buffs its Sonny! Nevertheless I still dont think the new scout change is going to be as big as you made it out to be, every family solo que experience is full with new players who run the default perks..

[@jasondavis2995]

I mean there's nothing wrong with changing what people have come to refer to as an established meta. If that's the case everyone's going to play the same way.

[@SlashNCast]

I agree. But buffing an established Meta probably isn't the right call.

[@M6sixaep]

I don’t think the grappler change is that big of a difference, Ana and Leland’s are still going to abuse it 😭

[@shintaii8608]

Yes, the change is too slight and there will be more abuse with the pile of bones... Changes are made but not in the right place on the scout it was useless actually...

[@Kalloth]

The goat of tcm himself! You have fast turnaround time my dude and im glad. If I didn't find your page, I probably would have stopped playing this months ago

[@Box3656YT]

I like the crazy perk changes 😅🤣😂

[@dankwolf1157]

I don't understand how they don't see that the problem with scout is the speed boost it is still a free 15% speed with pretty much no downside, i literally quit playing tcm because of scout i was hoping this update would of convince me to comeback but nope lol

[@MrCoolio10]

Giving them way to much credit when they think that replacing a damage decrease with a stamina reduction for scout is a nerf 😭

[@Rj-pw7zs]

It's a buff anybody who says otherwise is high.

[@RickyhoImes]

@@Rj-pw7zsit literally does nothing to bubba its actually just a flat speed increase

[@Rj-pw7zs]

@@RickyhoImes he no longer loses 10% to his damage same as everyone. That's a buff.

[@RickyhoImes]

@@Rj-pw7zs yeah… that’s what I just said dude

[@Rj-pw7zs]

@@RickyhoImes my bad. They way I read it I thought you were saying it wasn't a buff for Bubba.

[@Stranzua]

I'm liking the changes. Sounds like grappling will still be strong for victims, but the ability to continuously spam/abuse grappling is now removed. There is no reason victims should be able to grapple 2 killers right after the other, and then be able to run away with full health and stamina, especially since killers can't regain stamina until AFTER the stun ends. On another note, here is a suggestion. If they buff activated so that it also gives you stamina, then it will be the killers version of empowered. If they buff activated then I dont see why they wouldnt revert the changes to empowered.

[@paytonthomas1363]

LOBBY FIX SHOULD BE #1 PRIORITY

[@AchillesRage501]

Fired up and scout are the only big ones for me

[@MasterBrandonG]

The Scout change will probably hurt Hitchhiker builds and Cook + Nancy the most, but Scout on LeatherFace now will make him unstoppable, they definitely need to fix that infinite stamina overhead if they gonna roll with that. Other than that though I’m just waiting for that Bringing Home the Bacon rework Family perk wise.

[@Urmuhn]

I enjoy this honestly and I’m a family main but really? Extra drip I feel was fine and no wire frame nerf? Why? I love hitch but I agree he needs some sort of a nerf

[@random.guy897o]

I am a victim main but I always admit when I victim perk is op and it needs a nerf one of these perks that needed a nerf was extra drip it was a very very strong perk but most family mains don't realize that because it's effect is passive not direct you are definitely going to realize how strong choose fight is much more than extra drip

[@Urmuhn]

@@random.guy897o I play victim to that’s why I say that

[@TheLastLineLive]

This definitely isn’t what I hoped for as far as the changes overall, but it seems it should make things at least slightly better than they are currently for balance purposes. And I have to give props to the devs for being quick on the draw like they promised, but we’ll see if they can keep up that energy. As far as scout, I think doing both a stamina and damage nerf might be good, I would say a flat 15% damage reduction regardlsss of level but make the stamina nerf be like 40/25/10% depending on level. Empowered is useless outside of Family House now.

[@jasonhobby2792]

Curious if you can purchase the blackout skins, without having to wait until level 99.

[@RickyhoImes]

They won’t be purchase able though they’re just unlocks

[@johnroom5291]

I don’t no if you seen my reply to your tweet I was talking about scout they might move that when the perk rework comes out but we still dont no when that is

[@PeterJurgen-Bengo]

Balancing perks in this game is just a waste of time, most perks "core" design is broken.

[@Campfacer]

Yeah but Leathfsce and family should be overpowered and a lot of new players struggle hell even I struggle so I’m glad they are finally buffing family

[@SlashNCast]

They should be favored, not overpowered. As always, the metagame is what breaks everything.

[@RickyhoImes]

No character should be “ over powered” that’s just dumb

[@Campfacer]

@@RickyhoImes this is the Texas chain saw massacre bro it should be hard as hell to survive not tea bagging door slamming idiots that aren’t immersed into the horror

[@Campfacer]

@@SlashNCast look I’ve won matches with no perks turned on and it was very hard but it felt more scary and rewarding and how it should feel. So a few buffs to family and nerfs to victims I feel was necessary! No one wants to play family anymore because it’s a very victim sided game lately! Victims need to bleed out and work for that shit! 😂🤷‍♂️🥩🦴

[@RickyhoImes]

@@Campfacer I’m a family main man and things are fine only problem lately has been rushing and grapple+choose fight

[@jakelewis6198]

they making it harder for victims. much needed

[@dthelucario129]

Just take Scout away from hitchhiker and leatherface it’s only really a problem on those two.

[@SlashNCast]

Probably Johnny, too.

[@marshmellocrunch]

why do family mains complain so much about getting grappled? Family is OP, family perks are OP, and yet they wanna complain if a victim tries to fight back? Weak

[@SlashNCast]

I’m trying really hard to not get frustrated with this comment. It’s so hypocritical.

[@geminiswirl523]

U need to get a quick match main sweat shirt PLEASE 😊

[@Jeromepkr]

I also don't care about "realism" Leatherface does not get stunned nearly as long as he needs to from door slams and I'm a LF main lmao. I just genuinely don't fear doors and can just run and gun at full force all the time and it feels victims have no breather.

[@LamarJ-ud2lz]

Nobody going to talk about how family house will borderline be impossible to escape now as victim? It was already hard enough to escape hahaha. Crazy dumb developers.

[@fumblesteingames]

I'm tired of all this perk analysis meta game bullshit. It's like listening to a technical manual. Just scrap the whole godamn perk system and go with actual player skill. Have every character as they are at level zero, the hardcore mode you mentioned a long time ago. That is the only way to fix this insanity. Patch notes: we fixed this. Yeah but what did you break? Factory reset. Leave it at that. Get good or get gone

[@random.guy897o]

this will make the game much more shallow and basic, too much basic to the point where the game will get boring quickly

[@downbelow_scares9609]

Was waiting for this lol

[@killachriz96]

Yes these definitely confused me

[@aquaticsnail0714]

I feel like they are moving in the right direction with trying to balance the grapple meta. For too long, victims have not been afraid of the Family so by making Family feel stronger may encapsulate what they were originally trying to portray in the game. Family should feel strong and powerful while victims should have to play more cautiously instead of them chasing the family around looking to grapple. Family perk combinations definitely needs some rebalancing like Wire Frame, Scout, and Fired up on HH, but making the family feel more threatening is good start before nerfing family perks.

[@Karmakillsu]

Leatherface mains are 👀💦😘

[@Decyg23]

its gonna be good for sissy too She does not do mutch dmg but shes fast so

[@toyhunter9]

They need to stop rush meta it ruins the game I’ve been playing since day 1 but I’m done

[@tblack1554]

here's johnny...god mode

[@Stranzua]

Johnny is so easily countered though. Not being able to go through gaps is a big disadvantage.

[@icybee94]

choose fight still OP 😠 no changes

[@renjiaow3742]

This game is already insanely Family sided. How about nerfing Proficiency next?

[@beastyboi6673]

As you can see from this video scout is op lol, if you know you know

[@morticianman24]

I don't understand it either. The game is already bleeding out Family players, but yet they are nerfing Family perks. I'm not being mean, but they have already dug themselves into a grave, hopefully this doesn't shovel the dirt over top of them with this update.

[@TomTheEGamer575]

Scout definitely needs to be nerfed and they did the opposite of that and that Johnny lunge way to many exploit that and they also rely on scout to much They nerfed choose flight it’s only fair that scout should be nerfed as well. Yes I do play both sides so I see where both are coming from

[@LilysBad]

@@TomTheEGamer575 Do you actually play as Johnny? Please explain this exploit.

[@TomTheEGamer575]

@@LilysBad yes I play both sides and when I see players just swinging around the map with no victims in sight they’re exploiting that to move faster. They also while chasing a victim will lunge swing and basically catch up to victims while the victim is running full speed. It needs to be changed because they nerfed choose flight and many Johnny mains run scout as well the victims have no chance to get away unless they can go through a crawl space or wall gap which is not everywhere on the maps.

[@LilysBad]

@@TomTheEGamer575 Johnny swinging away alone without Scout will not allow him to catch up to a victim. There is no speed boost to exploit. It’s purely Scout that allows him be that fast, paired with an endurance perk that allows him to swing so many times while running. Try swinging like that without Scout next time you play Johnny, and see if you even get a hit in before they can well, gap, or close encounter you.

[@TomTheEGamer575]

@@LilysBad that’s the point the majority of Johnny mains are running scout and fired up so they swing away with the speed boost and exploit it they will not use Johnny without it. They nerfed Johnny and all the family mains cried about it and they switched it back to before the nerf. The same with Hitchhiker the majority use scout fired up and wire frame because otherwise they would get no kills they need to use these perks to make up for lack of skill unfortunately The speed with scout should have been reduced since they nerfed choose flight or make so victims can use jumpstart and conditioned so there would be more balance

[@Itsyourgirlarianna]

I feel like family needed a buff to be honest like the victims are too strong like yall got Ana, Danny and virgina those three be pain in the ass alone 😂

[@tavare1163]

Such a stupid update. Devs please stop pandering

[@Hamish28]

Killer clowns 4 june

[@TomTheEGamer575]

They will move over and ruin that game in a couple of weeks 😂

[@Luke-kg7vu]

@@TomTheEGamer575😂

[@Hamish28]

@TomTheEGamer575 but gun media not making it lol

[@TomTheEGamer575]

@@Hamish28 don’t matter the players will still ruin it 😂

[@Hamish28]

@@TomTheEGamer575 let's see

[@bestlaptop_psn]

Still waiting on a sale for a Danny. NO HEALTH BACK?!?!??!?!?

[@secondarypancake279]

these changes are lame enough that i dont think ill be returning to play.

[@aquaticmerpeople8481]

But yet people still say that this game is Victim side, when ever they say that I just laugh at them with a 😭😭🤣 expression. This game ain't Victim side, if this were Victim side, then why do we keep getting Nerf in the family? keeps getting buff, make it make sense. It doesn't add up, and it's clear as day that this game is far from being balanced. Don't be mad at the developers, be mad at the players who are playing the game like the family. The developers ain't asking for Nerf the family; is the player base that's asking for it. They are the reason why this game is dying after they get doing nerf the Texas chainsaw massacre game game into the ground they are going go after killer clown next.