New Way To Get Rid of Bermuda Grass In St Augustine (and Zoysia)

[@Tombombadil4]

For us St Auggers in the south. This is HUGE!!!

[@GlenCannon239]

I'm glad you mentioned Torpedo grass and Signal grass and it's affect on them. I have a lot of Torpedo trying to invade my St. Augustine in Northwest Florida. My lawn was sodded only 2 years ago and nothing will seem to stop it. I do have the Bermuda grass too so I will be looking into the new product when it hits the market. Thanks for all you do.

[@LaJoBa1]

So does this stuff kill the torpedo grass? I have an invasion! My Zoysia is beautiful thick and green on one side of my driveway and on the other the Torpedo is invading! I bag it so it doesn't spread. Help!!!!

[@pastelsliderz3097]

Southern most part of Louisiana. I have Bermuda and torpedo in parts of my st Augustine. Honestly it’s gotten better over the years. Cut high and cut often and you can keep most of it at bay. Bermuda goes dormant and the torpedo goes away in the winter. St Augustine comes back quickly and out thickens the Bermuda and torpedo every year. Won’t get rid of it completely but it’s what I do.

[@GlenCannon239]

@@pastelsliderz3097 I mow about once a week but it still wants to go under the St. Augustine and pop out in other places. I spray it with Round Up in the flower beds and it controls it there.

[@pastelsliderz3097]

@@GlenCannon239 same. Once a week. Honestly I don’t see the torpedo grass until I put my first application of fertilizer down in the beginning of the summer every year. Not sure if it’s a coincidence but I do notice it about a week or so after. Torpedo grass will travel under anything. Stuff is a pain.

[@randallalderman2260]

Allen, do you have any Centipede grass that you can spray it on to see if it's safe ?

[@babyjjnels]

I just saw Bermuda grass in my St. Augustine lawn and wondered where it came from. I'm glad I found your video on it and saw that others have the same issue.

[@ianshepherd6476]

I got Bermuda out of fescue with fusillade 2 but I used a tiny bit like 0.6oz for 7-8,000sq feet and it works in a couple weeks. Main thing is watch the heat for fescue wait till temps break!

[@weavvek]

I'm glad you addressed the 7 day before and after wait period for fusillade. A couple of Read the Label Tyrants attacked me in the FB group for asking that question. Like you said that long a wait isn't feasible.

[@orangeduc3129]

I appreciate your kindness for addressing the days intervals mowing days before and after thanks

[@pjtill1]

With PGR, you can slow down growth to comply with the no mowing ±7 days recommendation. Did my second application of Recognition and Fusilade II three weeks ago. It's a slow process, but it's definitely knocking back the bermuda. I have a small patch of torpedograss, but it doesn't seem much affected.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

Good tip on the PGR. I noticed almost nothing on torpedo also. Maybe some slight bleaching but that's it. I also had zero affect on signalgrass

[@texaspowerman]

I started using the PGR in august. I can’t mow anymore and the lawn service is once a week. The hyper growth that St. Augustine gets in the summer is handled much better. To bad the size it comes in will last me a decade.

[@pjtill1]

@@TheLawnCareNut The results on torpedograss are disappointing, especially since both herbicides are labeled to suppress it. I was expecting better results since the tank mix provides two MOAs.

[@seanrooney.realtor]

Only been a week since I treated. Bermuda showing signs of dying. Have a couple small spots where Torpedo snuck in but same for me. Doesn't looks like it was bothered. We'll see in another 3-4 weeks...

[@dcfcanthony]

Last year I had a major bermuda problem in my St. Augustine front lawn. I manually ripped it it all out by myself, leaving behind patch St. Aug. It was work but my yard looks a whole lot better. This would be a major breakthrough if this actually helps.

[@kenkanige8136]

I have done the same thing as you and it does work. Its alot of work but i would love to use the Recognition and Fusillade instaed, just would like to know how much both would cost.

[@billie_d_goat]

Just what I need for next year. I just complete a reno from TTTF to Zoysia, And need to get the bermuda that kept in.

[@jasonb8797]

I want my fescue to grow, but the bermuda keeps overtaking the lawn. Would this be safe to use with turf type tall fescue?

[@chriscat9]

You can use fusilade on tall fescue but ONLY use at the most, .25 oz per gallon. I have Zoysia & use Gordons Over the Top which is the same active ingredient as fusilade but a weaker concentration. You might look into that.

[@johnnelwhite]

I've had good results with ornimec 170 is the same active ingredient but much less % which is safer on the fescue.

[@Ryush806]

I am unreasonably excited about this. My yard went to crap this year from cold damage and the fact that I wasn’t able to spend as much time on it as needed due to the new bebe. The Bermuda took over everywhere my St Aug struggled. Probably got 25% of the lawn. I don’t care about the price that Bermuda is toast next spring! Now, if they could just figure out a way to remove the centipede… or get the Pro Vista up here in NWLA…

[@jackderaway]

If you stay up and somewhat heavy on the nitrogen it should start to damage centipede and let st aug flourish. Don’t go over board but stay on the higher end of recommended nitrogen for St Aug

[@Ryush806]

@@jackderaway Been putting down 3-4 lbs of N down each season for the past few years. No discernible damage so far.

[@joshuamorgan142]

I have a lot of neighbors with centipede grass and Bermuda is eating their yard. Will this work for Centipede?

[@adamketterl]

I have learned to mostly overcome Bermuda grass in my buffalograss. I had a large area that I initially killed with glyphosate. I continued to kill the area for 1.5 to 2 years. Then I planted new buffalograss. For any small spots of resurgence, I kill them again with glyphosate. I have found that tenacity is safe on buffalograss but turns the Bermuda yellow. Using the Tenacity is a good way to find the Bermuda, but it still has to be killed with glyphosate. The buffalograss and Bermuda grass look extremely similar. I have been at it for almost 14 years and I would say I am 99% Bermuda free. Last year I had to kill two small spots about a foot in diameter. This year I have not found any, but may not have been looking hard enough. You just have to do as LCN says and get out in the lawn. It is a challenge to keep ahead of it. Thanks for all the great tips Allyn!

[@jeremyramsey3768]

Will this work for Bermuda in cool season grasses like fescue?

[@darylh100]

I put down about 1/2 acre of st augustine sod last fall in Texas. Now i have a lot of bermuda breaking through. If you can do a couple applications in the spring to get rid of the bermuda, would it give the st Augustine a chance to get thicker? Most of it is generally thick already. Would it be worth the cost because the bermuda will probably come back?

[@hhattingh]

The trifloxysulfuron in the Syngenta alone is a win for Virginia Buttonweed! Can yhis honestly be the silver bullet I've been hoping for? Great great stuff

[@bobbywaszak4102]

I wonder if you mix in quinclorac, It will become safe for st Augustine as well. Worth a test at least for the torpedo grass.

[@djbdubbbpm6625]

I live in North West Florida and I'm about to use Ornamec 170 which pretty much has the same ingredients as Fulisade. I have zoysia and trying to get rid of invading Bermuda. Probably take a few growing seasons to totally eliminate it. Planted zoysia plugs and they seem to be choking out some of the Bermuda but probably some of it hanging out out down below. Good luck everyone

[@mntlblok]

fluazifop-P-butyl I now see is the same active ingredient for both Ornamec and Fusilade II. Is that "safener" in the Recognition needed for both St. Augustine and zoysia? Have recently been told that the fluazifop-P-butyl works fine alone with the Empire zoysia here in The Villages.

[@KC-sz4gx]

Hey there, was wondering if maybe has tried using Tenacity for Bermuda control. It’s a really popular selective herbicide popular for cool season lawns. The label says it’s safe for cool season grasses and st. A. It is usually used as a pre emergent but looks like it may be a good way to treat Bermuda!

[@jaroke]

Can this be used in cool season grass?

[@stepheneckert4006]

It can be but the difference is the “safener”. In TTTF, you need to spike Fusilade II with Triclopyr instead of Recognition. The blanket spray rate is super low so be careful. 0.07-0.14oz/1000 of Fusilade II and 0.73oz/1000 of Triclopyr mixed in with a non-ionic surfactant at 0.5oz/1000.

[@Nick210]

I’ve learned to just live with the Bermuda. All the freaking chemicals I’ve tried have probably done more harm to me than the Bermuda.

[@Matt-kw6gl]

Agreed

[@jcbates6567]

Take full swings with golf clubs 😊

[@davidchang6623]

I get it… Anti The Lawn Care Nut…

[@lancekirkland1353]

Can you do this application on centipede grass.

[@BlakeLatiolais-x1o]

Coming out of winter, should I fertilize and bring my St Aug our of dormancy first before applying these products? Or apply them now and fertilize at the same time? This is for Southeast Texas lawn.

[@Starseed_7]

Can this be used on Fescue ?

[@vrich5145]

Thanks for the vid! Does this also work for tall fescue with a bermuda infestation???

[@donnaber4918]

Ihave used fusillade on my zoysia for many years to control the torpedo grass with good results.

[@njneer7511]

Any mention on the labels about sedges? I need to do this mixture in my swale to kill off wild Bermuda but I have sedge too. Don't want to spend extra money on Sedgehammer if I dont need to. Thanks

[@pjtill1]

Recognition is effective against Annual, Globe, Purple, and Yellow Nutsedge.

[@WEALRO]

I mow regular height in thick st aug and low where the Bermuda is thicker , I see st aug invading those areas where I'm over mowing the Bermuda

[@bradbrescia]

Glad there's a product coming to market for this. Looking forward to it. Isn't that right where you sodded during the hurricane last year/year before? I guess it was holding the bermuda?

[@jaredreyes2811]

Allen, Today I decided to spray fusillade on my zorro zoysia. It was something I had to do bc the Bermuda is a lot darker then my zoysia so my grass looked blotchy. Any advise would be appreciated to speed up the recovery process. I rather put down a granular if possible. Thanks Allen

[@balooo2863]

The timing of the release of this product is unfortunate because for most of us it is going to be too late to apply on our St Augustine as it is about to go dorment very soon for most of the warm season grass zone (I'm in North Florida). 28 days to work puts us in Novemeber. If I applied today 10/2/23 my SA lawn would look like crap until spring with massive bare areas with no capability to recover effectively even with liquid fert in the mix. At this point unless yo live below I-4 or south Texas I'd wait until mid-late spring next year to apply this mix at this point in the season.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

agreed.

[@chrisa6886]

Whats the difference between roundup and this mix if both kill the bermuda grass in the provista?

[@tyleristre8919]

We need an update on the torpedo grass effect. I have a major torpedo grass infestation in my lawn (I believe it's Centipede) and I don't know how to handle it.

[@jamesbissell403]

Will it have the same effect on crabgrass? If not, what would you recommend adding to the tank for crab grass?

[@drcode4]

Thanks Alan. Is there a way to get rid of bermuda in fescue lawns?

[@ch3no2killz]

Let me know when you figure it out. St.Louis MO

[@denisemoore9316]

We started having problems with our lawn four years ago, around the same time TruGreen started doing yards in our neighborhood! My husband evidently hired them for our yard. Presently our yard looks like crap, after 3 years of their service. Our beautiful lawn now has fescue grass growing in large patches! wth???

[@pacificwarrior7679]

Friends don't let friends use TruGreen

[@sethi100]

Allyn, any suggestions on getting rid of tall fescue in Southern California? Thx.

[@DR-um2bv]

Much hand pump sprayer are 2 gallons, how to mix for 2 gallons?

[@lukechaney3043]

Will this work for removing Bermuda from centipede grass?

[@randallalderman2260]

I was wondering the same thing. Usually, herbicides that are safe for St. Augustine, are safe for Centipede too. I saw another KZbinr talk about this combo and he killed Bermuda out of Zoysia. So I looked for it on the Internet, it's very expensive.

[@jamesonmurphrey8583]

to get bermuda out of centipede, you need sethoxydim and mesotrione.

[@randallalderman2260]

@@jamesonmurphrey8583 will that combo kill Bermuda, or just suppress it ?

[@AlphaRobins]

What about to get st. Augustinr out of tall fescue. My neighbor have st. Augustine and it creeps in to my tall fescue

[@jamesonmurphrey8583]

​@randallalderman2260 it should kill it. may take a couple of apps

[@christopherhernandez8278]

If the fusillade 2 is what kills the Bermuda, could there be a other herbicide with the "safener" that might make this cheaper to do?

[@djamesbrooklyn1]

How would u kill centipede and Bermuda that has taken over your yard may I ask?

[@cjph7]

I plan to do two applications of prodiamine come February (south Louisiana). Does anyone have an idea how long I should wait after the second application of prodiamine to put down the Recog + Fusilade?

[@SingleStacked]

Which TeeJet tip did you use? Thanks!

[@TheLawnCareNut]

red fantip

[@texasgreenlawn3807]

I would like to have a discussion about the waiting period on mowing before and after application, logically thinking the application is not applied only to the tips of the grass blade seems that the product would cover the entire blade wouldn't it???

[@TheLawnCareNut]

the bermuda is very leggy and tall - only the top 1" is actual grass blades, the rest are brown stalks down to the soil and then of course roots. The product needs to get all the way down into the roots in order to completely kill it

[@Yanks4285]

Please let us know when it becomes available!! I’m excited to use this.

[@user-zs4mn1im9i]

Does it matter the order of how you mix the RECOGNITION with the Fusilade2? Do you put the RECOGNITION into the water then the Fusilade2 in the water and mix it that way? Or are you supposed to mix the RECOGNITION with the Fusilade2 first and put that mix into the water?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

Fill halfway with water first, add the Recog, then stir, then Fudilade, stir, then surfactant, stir, add the rest of the water.

[@pacificwarrior7679]

Can you apply this in the Fall on Zoysia? Trying to beat back the Bermuda.

[@eg7737]

When should I try this in Orlando Florida. Also, when is it available for sale. My lawn is mixed with Bermuda and st aug and looks horrible.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

Site One is your best bet to find it and I'd start in later March where you live.

[@randallalderman2260]

Have you done a follow-up video, to show the final results of this process ?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

there is an update in this video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqm8gYecmttjoaM

[@johnsenuta1038]

Any idea if this mix will work on Bahia to get rid of the wild Bermuda grass?

[@ct8606]

I live in North Houston, when can I safely apply this product?

[@user-qs8lv7wp2c]

I know this has nothing to do with the video you just put out but I have a question I noticed that in my backyard I started having a lot of my Saint Augustine checking out now I don't know if it's because of the weather the Heat i live in EdinburgTX. I have been watering regularly and fertilizing every eight weeks. Do you think that I should fertilize more often, again, where in October now. Any help is appreciated.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

I would dig beneath in a few areas and look for grubs. If it's not that then do a coffee can test for chinch bugs (google it). If it isn't that then I would just keep watering and monitor the area and see what happens. It could just be that it's the end of the season and the SA is naturally trimming itself back in prep for winter.

[@user-qs8lv7wp2c]

@@TheLawnCareNut thank you. I checked for grubs but not chinch bugs. Will do I really do appreciate the help I try to always dominate in my neighborhood 🤣👍

[@DarrylCox-s9z]

Any updates as to when this will be available for sale? I heard Spring 2024... anything more specific?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

call your local SiteOne - they carry it but from what I hear, it's sold out in most of them

[@nickhubert5061]

Great video! Now how do I get St Aug out of my Bermuda?

[@kirtdanielson5628]

Please post when you can ship Recognition, Fusilade and Surfactant

[@TheLawnCareNut]

you can get it at Site One locally. I won't be selling this stuff on my stores.

[@johnb8949]

What is site one?

[@yellowsnowman9157]

Would you try to take bermuda out of zoysia or are the blade thickness close enough to just let them exist together?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

excellent question - I personally think they look ok together so I'd not use the chemical and just let them battle it out.

[@drewmadere9935]

You thoughts on Centipede lawn🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@briman1968]

I have wild Bermuda in my Bahia grass, and the Bermuda is dominating's is this a good solution?

[@southfloffshorefishingadve9510]

Hey, I just put blindside down. Do I need to wait 28 days to put down this new chemical?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

yes for sure.

[@VJTrey1]

Does it need to be a license applicator to get it from siteone? Thanks

[@orangeduc3129]

Can I use atrazine now this season we are going into the dry season here?

[@webeducation]

This a "monumental" (no pun intended as i think this is based on the monument herbacide). Would be curious about the garden and around trees, like you can with sethoxydim. Or even a mixing it with sethoydim, or a spectracide which contains a combo of fluazifop, diquat, and dicamba. That combo is a Bermuda grass anhilator. Is this safe guard ingredient modified for specific grass types?

[@VJM58]

My neighbors Bermuda grass is encroaching on my StAugustin and taking over parts of my lawn…..what do you recommend? Thanks

[@TheLawnCareNut]

this video should help you for sure!

[@herbgoodw9421]

Do you have to have an applicator's license to purchase the Recognition?

[@CAPTDRUMS-im6pi]

What spray tip are you using?

[@chriscahill2642]

Is this combination safe for fescue that has been invaded by Bermuda?

[@reneelandry9640]

so, are you putting down another application now? I just bought the products this week (texas)....wondering what is happening on your end

[@TheLawnCareNut]

I will later this month once the lawn starts growing a little faster.

[@KK-td2nd]

Where did you buy the products particularly Recognition. Can't find it in stock.

[@garymichal8834]

@@TheLawnCareNut Any plans to do an update video on this approach to killing Bermuda in St. Augustine? I'm in Texas as well and really thinking that I want to try this approach this spring. It is an expensive option but the time, effort, and cost of sod is quite a bit as well. So, maybe this answers my other question...after trying it last fall, you'd do it again with the better timing in the spring?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

@@garymichal8834 yes very soon in fact. I've been waiting for the St Aug to really start growing fast here in spring. So maybe in the next 2 weeks I'll get it done

[@lamcarter]

I am finishing my renovation of my tttf removing Bermuda. I used Pylex 😬😬😬 Stupid expensive but I need this stuff out of my fescue!!!

[@MrFergusonLawn]

I’m hearing it’s worth the price though. Doesn’t ugly up the lawn like this stuff.

[@lamcarter]

@@MrFergusonLawn it bleaches it up pretty good but the lawn bounces back fairly quickly after a couple cuts. I really had to go Medieval on my back yard. That stuff had really taken off once I had my in-ground system installed.

[@alejundrosanchez1864]

Thank you for the videos. Gotta tell ya, I'm at my wits end. I dont trust the lawn companies anymore. My lawn looks terrible. I over watered and someone said i had fungus. After fungus treatment, weeds and fertilizer, I'm worried i made it worse. It's been 17 days since applying 3n1 i saw in one of your videos. That's that last chemical treatment i used. Any advice? At this point, I'm desperately going in blindly following the yard mastery app.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

I would recommend you take my course to learn all the basics. It will help set you in the right direction yardcarebootcamp.com there is also a private forum in there where you can ask specific questions and upload photos (once you complete the course)

[@blmlozz1]

SO Glad you're covering (and supplying???) this stuff I've heard works Miracles. Muda is taking over my lawn on both flanks . You've got about as large of a patch as I've got on both sides. Once the Bermuda is dead what's the plan to help the st. Aug grow in the dead-zones? I also cannot believe you post this gem in October right before halloween T_T. Can't be having dead grass so I'll have to start right after in November.

[@jwplays405]

Does this 'safener' work with other herbicide? Maybe you can mix it with one that kills torpedo grass.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

yeah I'm not sure exactly what it safens and what it doesn't but for sure more testing is in order!

[@daytonpyro]

then what do you do? do you somehow rip off the dead and plant new?

[@LyingEyes-t3m]

Final results? Still a good result?

[@grimesy36]

Man your st aug is so spongey have you ever scalped it down a bit for a height of cut reset? Not to dirt obviously though.

[@tonyngo7503]

Hi, were you able to get rid of the Bermuda weed with your method? And it come back? Thanks!

[@bradygaming5034]

Wouldn't it get absorbed into the leaf tissue and get to the roots?

[@JuanRamirez-in6ow]

When is recognition herbicide will be available?

[@terenceclark4108]

Did you ever find out if it works on torpedo. My lawn is absolutely taken over by torpedo and I just don’t know what to do

[@TheLawnCareNut]

I had 0 luck on torpedo grass with this mix

[@terenceclark4108]

@@TheLawnCareNut had a feeling. Torpedo is a nightmare. Feel like as I’m fertilizing the grass all I’m doing is fertilizing the torpedo making it out compete my st augustine

[@Rhaugz]

where do we buy this stuff?

[@mowtivatedmowments5564]

Here in Florida, I have Fescue, for my zoysia I use Fusilade with triclopyr. 🖖🏾🌴

[@yourfaceislameful]

fescue in florida????

[@mowtivatedmowments5564]

@@yourfaceislameful yes siirrrrrr…I’m putting in that work…I know, hard to believe but I’m doing it!💪🏾💯🖖🏾🌴

[@davidhanes4286]

Will this harm blue grass in a bluemuda mix?

[@bryantconto946]

Is this available yet? Or am I looking in the wrong places on where to purchase it

[@TheLawnCareNut]

Call your local Sute One. They should have it.

[@Duxa_]

wow $250 for a 2Oz bottle of RECOGNITION. Thats crazy! Is fusilade ok for Zoysia by itself? Will it do anything to help with bermuda without recognition?

[@jcadams9143]

What about harming centipede?

[@rhubert2539]

Will it be necessary to dethatch after the Bermuda dies off?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

no it will all break down in time. For now I need the dead stuff there as erosion control until the St Aug can fill in

[@jackderaway]

Anyone know where I can get this now? Do my own says it’s not available yet.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

check your local Site One

[@jeromepowell4311]

What was the final outcome?

[@SoftballPaul]

Did they release the products now? I know you mentioned a few weeks and this video is from back in September-ish. Just checking. First timer here…

[@TheLawnCareNut]

you can probably get it at Site One - give them a call first.

[@Herofmine]

Where to buy "Recognition Herbicide"?

[@orangeduc3129]

Your videos really help me

[@RoyalStreetEnt]

Is it safe on Bahia?

[@adeptsol2348]

Hey Allen do you thing this will get torpedo grass out of St. Augustine?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

so far I have seen 0 results on the torpedo. I'll be making another app this week and hoping for better results

[@edorofish]

More feedback on the torpedo grass please. Did it work at all?

[@TheLawnCareNut]

I did not see any damage to the torpedo grass unfortunately.

[@natewalls4850]

Thanks for the info on this potential solution.

[@coobay4786]

What about in centipede?

[@billbushey164]

Will This also work with Fescue grass as well ?

[@ianshepherd6476]

Yes but be very careful of temps and amount I used 0.6oz over my whole 7-8,000sq feet. My dad burned his using the same amount spot treating so he careful and start light and wait a couple weeks and use more if needed. Timing is everything wait till temps break into the 70’s.

[@bryantgraham1303]

Thank you for testing on your lawn.

[@Achilles3588]

Indeed, will be waiting to see how this turns out. I’m working with Acclaim right now, similar concerns on stunting the St. Aug, discoloration, etc. But if this dual chem option works out for LCN, I’m down. I just really dislike the Bermuda in my St. Aug.

[@brianwood8316]

Does this work on tttf?

[@kkevinj1]

I already gave up and joined the dark side lol Love it!!!!!!!!!!! Never going back to St Aug, .5 to 2 in grass is great, The St Aug died so easily.