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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - Louis loses mind
00:40 - Louis realizes what is happening
01:01 - The people who will judge this
02:11 - Louis' evil business owner rant
05:54 - the /antiwork critics
07:06 - Let's read the actual bill
07:48 - Can't help it, rant again
08:19 - Eliminating a job position can be considered wrong
09:11 - Example of why this is bad
10:02 - This is horribly written
11:07 - The good cause part is very reasonably written
13:20 - The problem is who is deciding this
14:30 - The good part of the bill - this is well written
14:50 - Firing management is much easier than firing lower level employees
15:20 - Bad analogy
17:10 - Reiterating the problem with this
17:50 - The bill's wording is not what scares me
18:20 - Quickly summed up
20:19 - These are the people who have the power to give a disgruntled ex-employee $300,000
20:33 - Louis does bad impression

[@radovanobal3842]

We have these kinds of rules of employment and it is one of the biggest reasons I do not employ people and I could have grown to a few employees easy but the stress is just not worth it.

[@rossmanngroup]

Understandable. Raising your prices and staying small is always an option. You will naturally price yourself out of being overworked to the point of repairing employees. Best of luck with everything you are working towards

[@wastedpotentiel]

Portland Oregon has a similar law on in place but instead of 4 years pay its one year. It's common practice for all employees to receive 6-12 months of pay even when they are fired for incompetence. There have been several payouts in the hundreds of thousands of dollars

[@daviddavies3637]

@@wastedpotentiel And Americans think Europeans are nuts. We have far wider worker protections than Americans have but this is nuts. The only way you can get a payout like that over here is if the employer has fired you unfairly or if it's been "constructive dismissal", where the conduct of the employer or management (e.g. bullying or racism) has led to a situation where the employee has been left with no choice but to quit for their own sanity.

[@marcelleuenberger4648]

Also, here in Switzerland for example there's a probation period of 3 months. Only after that period does the full "protection" come into place. (We have 3 months notice here, and in that time full salary is owed)

[@cpedersenatgmailcom]

@@marcelleuenberger4648 Exactly the same in Denmark.

[@wesleyhoward5599]

Step 1: Lie on your resume. Step 2: Get fired. Step 3: Profit.

[@nanoflower1]

That assumes the courts can't properly decide the case. That remains unknown because judges are held to a standard unlike the standard civil servant. If a person was fired unfairly then they deserve that back pay, but it's been my experience that you can't easily win those cases. Though that isn't with New York City.

[@krto7663]

New york right now: Looking for people fired by rossman repair group, we can help you get some good amount of texan cash

[@sanosuke2999]

@@nanoflower1 Most of the NYC judges are proud activists. Good luck getting fair judgements.

[@connoisseurofcookies2047]

@@sanosuke2999 And as long as their OF sidegig doesn't get exposed they'll get away with it as well.

[@AmurTiger]

I mean that'd be a pretty easy case of justified termination really, the problem really pivots around how incompetent, capricious and generally unpredictable the system of enforcement seems to be in New York, which Louis has documented pretty thoroughly at this point. It resembles some of the development bylaw issues we have around Vancouver where notionally reasonable things like sightlines, shading and protecting trees end up accumulating a ton of bureaucratic churn made far worse by the fact that nobody wants to staff up the landscaping department that suddenly has to evaluate whether or not X development is going to kill Y tree. Like at some point you need to wipe the slate clean of laws and build it back up just for the sake of reducing useless complexity, the Romans had to do it once, seems likely that New York could use it and Vancouver could certainly use it for development bylaws.

[@joesworld396]

New York always looks for new ways to punish small businesses for the crime of doing business in New York.

[@kyleshockley1573]

Sounds like most social media algorithms. [Greta voice] _"How _*_dare_*_ you use our platform."_

[@billlumbergh9251]

Louis , take a day off youtube and watch the movie series ATLAS SHRUGGED, atlas was the greek god holding up the world. I saw the movies first, read the book after seeing the film.

[@cpK054L]

@Vercusgames LOL imagine thinking that the voter system in NY is actually legit. They are most likely doing that for a REASON. SBOs aren't part of the "crowd" just look at the Real Estate prices in Manhattan and tell me "What could possibly justify this cost?" I saw Fishbowl copers saying "It's a beautiful city! It's full of culture!" blah blah blah. I bet most of these people didn't even grow up in this city. They weren't here for the 90's. I wish I was born early enough to experience the 80's but I wasn't so lucky. Nobody votes in NY. it's a clown show. I won't believe AOC won legitimately until they do an ACTUAL AUDIT because if someone that doesn't know what a garbage disposal is and doesn't see the hypocrisy of her using up tax dollars to fund her degeneracy, then I agree, New York deserves EVERYTHING

[@swahler34]

​@@kyleshockley1573 😢

[@TheDarkestPaladin]

Love how even tho I never stepped foot in the US, I know that I must stay away from NY XD

[@jeffdege4786]

The harder government makes it to fire people, the more careful and restrictive they are forced to be in hiring.

[@rossmanngroup]

And this is where the meme of "10 years experience, master's degree" for $17/hr job comes into play. The same people saying this legislation was a _'step in the right direction'_ will look at help wanted ads and bemoan the requirements. _"why is nobody taking a chance on me??"_ - because you made it too risky to. Easy hire easy fire means someone who dropped out of sophomore year of high school and has a criminal record with prison time is fine by me. I'll take a chance on anyone With this bill; I'm hiring... *In Texas.*

[@yamilabugattas3895]

Sadly, a lot of people don't get this. The harder it is to fire people, the harder it is to hire in the first place, since it increases the cost of the associated risk.

[@dkchen]

They outsource.

[@hugoguerreiro1078]

Portugal has laws like these, foreign companies just don't want to hire anyone on a permanent basis as a consequence. It's already hard enough to have a successful business, but business owners are always the first to get attacked whenever the economy does poorly. When you wonder why Portugal is poor for a developed country, this is why. People value "worker's rights" over having good job opportunities and attracting foreign companies that would pay higher wages.

[@jeffdege4786]

@@dkchen Pretty much, yes. I was talking to a German business owner, once, at a time when the news was full of complaints about how German companies hadn't created new jobs in decades. His response? German companies had created hundreds of thousands of jobs - but not in Germany.

[@ericfleck6739]

the next bill will allow people who were wrongfully "not hired."... sue for 4 years of "lost wages."

[@dsloop3907]

Newsom is watching this, shhh.

[@adamestrada7610]

​@@dsloop3907 nah, that dude is way too deep in the pockets of bug business to pass that. Other California Dems are definitely taking notes, tho.

[@cpK054L]

I'm going to take advantage of this because I'm jaded

[@Puggy42069]

That’s called discrimination.

[@rasheedwhite4647]

Don't give them any idea's , lol

[@nickstone1167]

This smells like a small-business destruction bill than anything else. Because only the big players could afford the butt coverings in both onboarding and off boarding to be safe from this.

[@kenosabi]

Yep. The only people capable of paying it will be corps - just like Wallstreet asked. New Yorks economy is tanking and their looking to make it up on the backs of small businesses until they are able to finally force them out.

[@sickofitall8486]

The tell is to find out who authored the bill. Not the politician that sponsored it, because politicians do not write bills. I recall as Washington state was coming out of their pandemic restrictions, they voted on a bill that dramatically increased the required payouts for unemployment. My guess is Costco had help in writing that bill, as it would disproportionately hurt smaller employers.

[@Michael-sb8jf]

Who do you think is lobying for bills like this.

[@MrRolling15]

@@Michael-sb8jf Unions

[@sirzorg5728]

That's usually the point. The biggest threat to big business is small business, which is why all the wealthy big businesses can unite on fucking over the smaller businesses.

[@Gearbhall]

If there is anything I've learned from your channel, it is that owning a business in NYC is the worst idea anyone has ever had.

[@Dfgbuiiyyyybb]

New York City: If You Can Make it Here, You Can Make it Anywhere NYC is a super competitive city and it attracts some of the best talent in the world.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb As well as the worst criminals in the world.

[@Quadrupliplex]

​@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb it's driving away all business.

[@ss95248]

@@Dfgbuiiyyyybbthat may have been true in 2006, not anymore tho

[@totallyjonesin]

@@ss95248 Might have been true in 1977 when it came out.

[@kingpolo1920]

Me: you owe me four years of backpay NY: $125 is the best I can do

[@PinkOrangeOrangePink]

Whats the difference?

[@jonathanturner2433]

New York would get there tax money out of that 4 years worth of money

[@rossmanngroup]

Oh you bet your ass they will.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@rossmanngroup That's probably what it really is. They'll get "up to" 4 years worth of tax money at once with that one, plus what every tax money they'll get out of the "victim" *if* they get another job. Plus, the state can pillage, er, use the unemployment funds for other "necessary" applications

[@mariow7818]

@@InfernosReaper Like few mil a month to their family members for scam buissness deals.

[@igooog]

All during a peak for small business bankruptcies

[@ChrisM78]

NY has impeccable timing

[@markkocsicska2590]

This is about a quick cash grab on that 4 years worth of income tax they might cash in high numbers now.

[@M167A1]

​@@markkocsicska2590 this is a political thing. The party wants European style employment rules. Also remember for them money is something of a fiction so they don't see any reason to not print more. ( Yes this is a horrible oversimplification but it's a KZbin comment typed with my thumbs on the John so there..😊

[@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638]

Got to reset greatly.

[@ducknorris233]

A Veteran was fired from Cracker Barrel years ago and it made national news. I remember thinking every restaurant manager is now trying to decide if they should hire vets since they may not be able to fire them like everyone else.

[@InfernosReaper]

The best part is half the time stuff like that happens, the important details get left out and few care what the *truth* of the matter is

[@ducknorris233]

@@InfernosReaper good point, the news focused on him giving away company food to the people he thought needed. Apparently he had been warned about doing it before.

[@EnderElohim]

or maybe they should not able to fire people casually :D

[@ducknorris233]

@@EnderElohim that does sound nice, I think people also shouldn’t be able to quit casually. Wait that’s crazy

[@Ciph3rzer0]

​@@ducknorris233 yeah, other countries do that, and workers are happy and the economies still function. America is uniquely exploitative and almost 100% at will unless you're in a union or govt job.

[@gustavokupcevich7895]

Argentina has a similar law on terminations, due to it, there is an industry on labor trials, a lot of unemployment and a lot of places with their owners overworking to serve their customers while saying they can't hire someone because if they turn out to be bad employees it would bankrupt them.

[@tessierrr]

Youre describing every unionized workplace 😅

[@233kosta]

@@tessierrr What about the ionised ones?

[@233kosta]

Lol and people act surprised that Argentina is on the brink of bankruptcy

[@adamestrada7610]

​@@tessierrr I disagree. Unionized workplaces have a surplus of dangerous and incompetent employees that *should* be fired. Businesses in Argentina refuse to hire outright.

[@cpK054L]

@@adamestrada7610 Not like they can any more with the purchasing power of the Bolivar... i can buy them for mercury dimes

[@ikkuranus]

The groaning of that employee gets me every time.

[@tactileslut]

Elmer Fudd never gets old for me either. "Uuuuh."

[@bartscrush5064]

I bet the government is incentivized to rule in favor of the ex-employee because they can then collect that tax money.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

You're betting in favor of a trivially obvious fact.

[@dakota9821]

@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Can't really say it's *obvious* when you take the average IQ of people into account.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

@@dakota9821 If you're left to make all assertions based on the capacity of the lowest common denominator, then no statement of merit can ever be made.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

Do businesses not pay taxes? Well let's be real then, maybe the govt SHOULD rule against them if they're not paying their fair share, especially since they're almost certainly abusing workers also.

[@bartscrush5064]

@@Ciph3rzer0 Bro wtf are you one about?

[@KyleClements]

These laws are very pro big business. They can afford this; start-ups can't. Once companies get big enough, they want to kick the legs out from under anyone else before they can become competitors.

[@LadyRubyEye]

What big business is going to want to pay someone who isn't working for them? Hell, they'd not pay the people that ARE working for them if they could get away with it.

[@Hebrew42Day]

​@@LadyRubyEye they don't. This is part of the global agenda. Have you been into McDonald's lately or Walmart? They aren't hiring more employees for the higher minimum wage. They are paying for automation. Self checkout lanes and McDonald's without any human employees making your food.

[@sabinespeed4146]

@@LadyRubyEye Big businesses have lawyers on standby so that they won't have to. Small businesses can't afford that.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

Wow I don't have Facebook and/or don't have boomer family members so I've never heard that /s Not really a point in contention reactionary nonsense, just feel like pointing it out. Chuds say the same thing about minimum wage. This is the cucked dialog tree they've learned from their masters to justify their own oppression.

[@badxradxandy]

This is a good point.

[@Blackfilmguild]

who pays for this lol

[@DellikkilleD]

the employer? lmfao.

[@randommcranderson5155]

ultimately everyone in terms of increased prices

[@rossmanngroup]

The bankrupt employer. My business doesn't have 4 years of pay in the bank for the lowest paid job here. If an ex-employeedid this, we're done. Then, instead of 1 bad technician being unemployed, 1 bad technician *AND SIX GOOD TECHNICIANS* get to be unemployed when we go bankrupt. It's funny because my friend's company's CPA firm literally sent him a link to this bill with the wink wink nudge nudge _"hey if you have any bad performers you were on the edge about, you might want to get rid of them _*_NOW_*_ rather than wait for this to pass"_ If this gets even close to passing, a wave of mediocre people are gong to get kicked to the curb before the employers who tried to do a nice thing and give them a chance are facing 4 years of salary payouts because a braindead state employee whose _"elevator isn't going to the top up there"_ makes a bad judgment call and ruins your business forever. In your heart: forget about me, you don't even have to answer this question publicly. Go to 13:20 or 20:19 - this person has the ability to cost you $320k. You're on the fence on hiring your first employee at your new business - are you going to take a risk on hiring someone that isn't a best friend/family member in this environment? Forget how much you hate me. Put yourself in my shoes for a moment. How does this affect your decision? I got out just in fucking time man.

[@JohnWiku]

​@@DellikkilleD ultimately the customers 😂😂

[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

@@JohnWiku If you are a SOB in NYC at this point expect most buisnesses to inflate prices by 10x. You thought 5 dollars a loaf of bread was a lot brace for the twitter posts for 5 dollars to become 50. So they can cover the baker the grocery store just fired 🤣

[@nlysts]

This makes me think of a Dutch law that made it nearly impossible to fire someone after 2 years of service. The consequences where that almost everyone below a collage level education got fired after 1,5 years of service.

[@Phasma6969]

@immetoo2 can you try to make sense if you're going to say something nonsensical?

[@iroccata]

Welcome to Argentina NY. Happy to see you applying all the same policies that made us thrive the last decades!

[@zwabTheRealOne]

"Failure to recall a cutback" I think is supposed to discourage "fire and rehire", a practice seen in larger businesses where you lay off a bunch of staff (usually on a higher wage or with older, more favourable to the employee contract terms) so that you can hire new people to do the job more cheaply for shittier terms.

[@Ifyouwantblood7]

Your quoted text is not what the bill actually says. It says, in relevant part, that "Discharge includes [...] failure to recall or rehire AND any other cutback in the number of employees for a legitimate business reason" (capitalization emphasis added). This section merely defines what a "discharge" constitutes under the statute. Rossman got confused and thought that these were the definitions of a "wrongful discharge" and proceeded to rant based upon that incorrect assumption and false reading of the bill.

[@cyropox8235]

​@@Ifyouwantblood7 that's what a discharge is, but that's not the definition of a wrongful discharge which is what the bill penalizes.

[@susamekmek3101]

​@@cyropox8235Employer has consumed the employee's work ability, fitness,... Like say that you are driver and dumping your old car for a newer one. Noone would pay the same for the old one. You used him/her. And every employer would take a younger one for slavish terms. Young unemployment is large enough for this.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

​@@Ifyouwantblood7 so now his descent into reactionary conservatism begins. That's sad, I liked Louis a lot, he was a nice ally in the right to repair space but there's no hope for him now. He just did his red pill video and now this, if he follows the money his audience capture is going to force him into right wing grifting.

[@maweitao]

I think employee protections are vital but over-regulation is counterproductive. One of the big reasons why unemployment in Europe, especially amongst the youth, is so high is because of heavy-handed laws like these. The irony is that small companies struggle in this environment and it's only big companies who continue to thrive. Unfortunately, populism means that these policies can never be undone.

[@themehguy3936]

True, but the legal system in the EU at least offers a failsafe in case of improper requests. In the United States, at least as far as I understand, the legal fees alone would bankrupt a small business. And most businesses in the EU make temporary contracts for new employees until they are convinced that they are doing a good job and only then change to an undetermined time contract.

[@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638]

Populism my ass, this system doesn't work by design and anybody is hired as a freelancer anyway. Everybody knows this and it's not those pesky bank hating populists that came up with this garbage system whose only point is extracting taxes and sabotaging small businesses.

[@exantiuse497]

Worker protection laws aren't the cause of unemployment. Germany has unemployment rate of 3.5%, around the same as the US. Germany also has very strong worker protection laws, stronger than many European countries with much higher unemployment rates, and they include severance pay of up to several years' wages' worth (depending on the circumstances of the termination). They don't primarily target small businesses like you claimed though, in fact the smallest sized businesses have more lenient restrictions than big ones. Restrictions on terminating employees combat the biggest source of unemployment which is outsourcing industry to third-world low-pay countries. Germany has avoided this and maintained its industry even though many large companies have bren tempted to move their operations. It's perplexing to me that Americans overreact on this and oppose worker protection rules, given how hard many places in America have been hit by companies moving industry abroad

[@kirbyr558]

It will be interesting to see if this applies to all the people that were fired by New York and reinstated by judges because of mandates.

[@reaperbot5226]

a former employer of mine used to boast that they never fired any employees in 30+ years of being in business. partly because they wouldn't take chances on iffy people and partly because if you got hired but they later on found you to be iffy. they would slowly decrease your hours and/or increase your work load until you got to the breaking point. to where you just quit so they wouldn't have to pay you anything.

[@davidgoodnow269]

The latter is covered in this law by including coverage for employees who resign.

[@reaperbot5226]

@@davidgoodnow269 ok but in order to resign you typically have to give advanced notice. most of the people who left my old job quit without notice.

[@ContagiousRepublic]

Sounds like if you can prove NY forced you out of a profitable honest business "intentionally enough", you can use THIS to evaluate how much money they should owe you for having committed that tort. Unless NY already has a law for determining that type of damage.

[@Knowbody42]

Laws are not for the government to follow. They are for everyone else.

[@Guardian_Arias]

Louis was in managerial position.

[@durandus676]

I got fired for following instructions, and sitting while recovering from pneumonia instead of standing while waiting on a delivery. Some companies deserve this but I still don’t think this is sane.

[@Demopans5990]

Unfortunately, discharge NDAs make finding not asshole companies hard.

[@kenosabi]

Who's instructions? Did you have a doctor's note? Because with one you have a chance, but if it's your own self diagnosis? Your losing everytime.

[@Jose04537]

Yes, but 4 years? Some people will make a bussines out of getting fired. Just like there's a marriage/divorce industry, because it's too profitable.

[@thatrawk]

@@kenosabiif the company doesn’t provide health insurance, seeing a doctor is crazy expensive nowadays if you don’t have insurance yourself

[@uis246]

@@kenosabi Doctor's at least.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Wasn't the New York government the worst culprit of this recently?

[@davidh9638]

Unfair termination: He moved the business out of state.

[@SalvadorSTMZ]

Lol

[@larrybills5840]

Imagine 🤯

[@NoPantsBaby]

320k? No sir.... with interest and benefits. Including but not limited to. Social security contributions. Healthcare and other insurances. Paid leave. You might be owing northwards of half a mil.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Four years of pay is insane!!! If it came down to a wrongful firing, it should go to court to decide.

[@asdfdfggfd]

LOL, that would probably cost more than simply paying the person 4 years of pay. Even simple easy lawsuits cost $100k+ Litigation lawyers cost $700 an hour right now.

[@Dethflash]

Yes because NYC is certainly showing the world how unbiased and fair their courts are 🤣

[@LadyRubyEye]

UP TO four years, not "Must give four years" and obviously it's decided by a Judge.

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@LadyRubyEye still a lot

[@williamnicholson8133]

"Wrongful firing" rather ambiguous they would humble any claims of "waycism" because they are getting 4 years of taxes every time someone abuses this .

[@dennissebranek543]

Yes Louis. You definitely made the right decision to move

[@Drazil100]

4:56 There actually are industry standards. The industry standard is to tell the customer it can’t be fixed and to send them to the manufacturer to buy a new one. It’s a TERRIBLE standard, but it exists.

[@rossmanngroup]

If anybody performing to the genius bar standards means I cannot fire them, my god. Epic 4D Chess by apple, if it comes out next week they were lobbying in favor of this legislation!

[@LadyRubyEye]

@@rossmanngroup You don't think you're being just a little bit hyperbolic here?

[@stalememe3305]

This is a topic close to my heart that I get very annoyed about because it's a big problem in Australia. It is *extremely* difficult to fire somebody here, and in some industries the payout you'd have to give the person is so obscene that companies just keep them on while they do little to no work because they simply can't afford it up-front. You know what the end result of this was? People stopped hiring. It's now cheaper to keep on everyone you have and hire temporary contractors when needed. Good luck finding a job in this country anymore in a competitive field because the positions are no longer available full-time.

[@orbis17]

The employee/employer relationship should be a transparent one in a perfect world, sadly there a many cases where this is just not the reality. I've personally experienced having to take my employer though the fair work commission for unpaid, unplanned overtime and unfair dismissal (when I pointed out the underpaying to my manager, I was sacked). It was a pretty awful experience to have a multi million-dollar corporation try and penny and dime you, then throw your ass on the street. Pro-tip: record your exit interview.

[@Bvic3]

Yep, that's the point of view that is missing. Employers are not your friend, they are not friendly. Here, we have a KZbinr that acts nice and all. But he's probably far more ruthless with his employees than he admits. And many (most ?) small business owners are ruthless high school bullies. You need that mindset to survive the competition.

[@Decayrate-of-Ravn-Rike]

​@@Bvic3While he may be ruthless to a cocaine addict or people with "avoidable" personal problems -- he sees his employees everyday at work. While i've never met Louis, he doesn't strike me as that kind of ruthless boss. When firms have so many ladders or steps from bottom too the top, with an army worth of underlings, managers and an HR department run by women - things can and will be ruthless. To paint a picture: the boss of your boss tell your manager to fire you - by way of the usual HR woman, who then hover over your shoulder and proceeds with the usual dismissal schtick. This whole process is fueled by the the lack of interaction from the people above with the people below on the corporate step-ladder. Shit sucks

[@orbis17]

@@Bvic3 yep, my small business is just me and my labour, and bottom line is it's far easier to steal that from someone, than it would be to get 4 years of pay, I guarantee you that.

[@Anonymous______________]

So does this apply to all of the civil servants (i.e. police, fire fighters, etc.) who were fired for refusing the clot shot?

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

Oh no. That's different, because they're obviously a threat to national security ... or health ... or maybe because they're racists? "Whichever conspicuously lazy lie you like the best, pick that one and internalize it." -- every government press release or statement in the last 30 years

[@condemnedd684]

Out of curiosity, does this also apply to the New York goverment employee’s? Or is there a specific exemption for them

[@eng3d]

Padme: so, it also apply for them. Right? Anakin:.. Padme: Right?

[@gauloise6442]

Isnt it pretty hard to be fired from a civil service job?

[@SevenRiderAirForce]

@@gauloise6442 lol clearly. *confused awww*

[@33gles]

I wonder how many NYS employees were fired for not complying with the covid panic kneejerk mandates? Or.... will they claim they 'weren't forced'.

[@tin2001]

The government doesn't fire staff for being morons. They just close entire departments and make them redundant, then start a new department and hope they don't get any did employees again.

[@crisper1614]

All of these are the little steps to a slow societal collapse.

[@ZAPATTUBE]

TRUE!

[@Theaverageazn247]

does anyone know if nyc would be guilty of this for firing people for not taking the vaccine?

[@lightworker2956]

Yep. We're either going to get nuremberg 2.0, or a revolution against the government, or at least a tsunami of lawsuits, once the majority of people understand what's been going on with the clot shots.

[@da4441]

If this passes, seems like many businesses would leave NY. Employers could relocate to NJ and CT and still have the same labor pool.

[@tasa4904]

NJ consistently ranks last in the listing of states that are business-friendly.

[@Doc4]

Your chapter titles are helping me laugh instead of cry, thanks for that

[@acesecure9817]

Louis, to help understand the insanity. NYC signed a sister city agreement with China. If big 'sister' say do this it works great in China NYC says great idea! :)

[@breakupgoogle]

as a native Texan, im glad u moved here too.

[@claudiodiaz9752]

They are working hard making sure no new company opens business in NY and the remaining ones will leave.

[@larrybills5840]

The bubbles gonna burst soon

[@UnluckyFatGuy]

And then all the businesses left NYS...

[@charlescurran1289]

How can Hochul get away with firing nurses causing a health care shortage, refuse to rehire them in light of the science and then arbitrarily give the loyal drones a $3k bonus?

[@darkjemdude]

Louis, the thing you're talking about when you mention companies being overly afraid is called the chilling effect.

[@ronnydowdy7432]

Sounds like New York sucks and only looks out for NEW YORK CITY.

[@iheartlreoy8134]

Secede then 😂😂😂 we don't need you

[@davidturk6170]

Not just wages and interest, but benefits too. So if your benefits amounted to 40% of their base wage, you’d have to pay them 140% of their base pay, plus interest. Then the various withholding taxes!

[@ElJosher]

They should only apply this with big companies only, but we know they won’t and the real intention is f’ing medium and small businesses while making big business more powerful.

[@Frostgnaw]

I misread and thought thos was in reference to the wrongful terminations of people who refused to vaccinate and I was so happy to see justice being served, hopefully causing those pos businesses to sink, but then I realized it's just New York being New York and making the worst decisions possible.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

2:30 Hey welcome to Texas and the right to work state. I can recap things here; 1. You can be terminated for ANY reason at any time. 2. Nope nothing more, just see 1. 🤠👍

[@justinwalsh8512]

Up here in Canada we have a minimum of 1 week for every year with an employer. Seems to work well

[@joshcoleman5884]

The section defining discharge was not defining wrongful discharge, but any and all discharge.

[@jessicav2031]

Hahaha. At this point Louis knows the timestamp for the "uhhhhhhhhhh" guy off the top of his head. I kinda feel sorry for that guy.

[@thistleskeptic]

What person in their right mind would start a business in NY

[@fishclaspers361]

Only morons, people who don't know about this and idiots who think this won't affect them.

[@larrybills5840]

Hipsters

[@thistleskeptic]

@@larrybills5840 this just increases the incentive for people to get fired. I'm gonna move to NY and get myself fired

[@larrybills5840]

@@thistleskeptic good luck. You’re health and well-being is just not worth it. You will feel miserable just smelling that nasty NYC air 🤢

[@robbsclassics]

This is why we need we the people to check on these politicians.

[@batboy555]

You are going to have to document issues with workers.

[@LTdan457]

With the level of bureaucracy NYC implements, you need ChatGPT to figure out what you can and can’t do.

[@robotredkitten817]

I will make sure to get fired in every job I have in ny. lol.

[@artlife6210]

even Snake Plisskin was smart enough to escape New York...

[@shakdidagalimal]

How to crush small business 101. They want only the giants left. In this way control is paramount and ever present on everyone.

[@Monkeyman12534]

Pretty sure your not reading it correct at 10 minutes. Seems like it was defining what a discharge is not saying what a wrongful one counts as?

[@whatwhat9519]

If such thing goes through there always be those people who do whatever they can to take advantage of and scam the system. Giving the rest of use a bad name

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

They're banking on it being abused. The state and its keepers benefit just the same. The more people that use it, the more tax revenue they get. The more small businesses are destroyed, the more they can delight in reducing the population to a powerless peasant class.

[@pdxbmwfan5824]

I work for a fortune 100 company that employs over 100K people, they do layoffs all the time only they do not report the layoffs but give employees severance packages and make them sign a contract that forfeits their right to sue. These severance packages amount up to a total of X months spent at the company which is a lot less than the 4 years punishment introduced by this bill. Those who got terminated are replaced by workers in low cost geos (India, Taiwan, etc) not even underpaid US workers. Big companies always have a way... to get away.

[@SensSword]

14:50 so simply promote someone to management for a day, and then you can immediately fire his ass no problem?

[@cpzehr]

Good on you for the fumigation machine that's something most people would not do bro and like...I mean it just is a big deal thanks for that. I don't do this work but can appreciate that

[@marcusandersson444]

What I can imagine happening is what is becoming increasingly common in my country: Companies create separate legal entities with which they hire people, and if anyone causes trouble, they just shut their "hiring company" down and rehire the employees they want to keep in a new legal entity the next day. Sure, there's more paper work and fees and stuff to do it that way, but then they won't be on the hook if disgruntled now former employees try to stir up anything with the authorities...

[@robt8042]

Which country is that?

[@marcusandersson444]

@@robt8042 Sweden

[@strangersound]

In the U.S., using "temp" agencies for a portion of labor is common practice in manufacturing and other sectors.

[@jwc4520]

Fixed my tab , thanks for the lessons , sent to you on a repaired tab ....those little screws were a challenge .

[@tuerry]

It might be financially viable for young people with no foreseeable future for themselves to move to new york, get a job anywhere, and then get discharged and claim they wrongfully fired you

[@flyingrat492]

Ok, but illegally firing an employee has a far higher potential payout than 4 years pay if they sue, this just reduces the payout in exchange for it being easier to get.

[@rossmanngroup]

Nobody sues because you pay for the attorney regardless of whether you win in most cases as lawyers don't work on contingency unless there's a 99.9999% chance of winning. In spite of how incompetent they are, calling some number at the city is 1000000x easier than suing to get something out of a business.

[@NoPantsBaby]

So why is resignation part of this law? Resignation = quitting. Why if someone QUITS can you be on the hook for 4 years of pay if you didn't fire them. They resigned. But the law states that it still counts. Under no grounds can you expect a settlement for wrongful termination if you quit under current law.

[@Monkeyman12534]

​@@NoPantsBaby its defining what "discharging" someone is it doesn't say wrongful there. Louis is definitely misreading that bit

[@NoPantsBaby]

​​@@Monkeyman12534 I reread it and it definetely says a discharge includes if someone resigns. Now wrongfulful discharge is later specified and guess what the dude that quit said "I quit cause he called me da N-word!" Now what. You pay 4 years of wages is what.

[@ember3579]

@@NoPantsBaby If some fuckwit business decides to put someone on 2 hours a week and that someone has to find a different job to pay bills, that might classify as resigning. The problem with this bill isn't necessarily what it is capable of, but who is being the judge.

[@HontasFarmer80]

You'll just have to give some sort of reason for your firing someone. Give them a warning or two then fire them. Give the warning in writing.

[@bob808]

NY will end up with more 'casual' or 'contract' employees. Employees will have less rights/entitlements, and even less job security. At least that's the growing situation here in Sydney (Australia) in customer facing roles.

[@mikmik9034]

I was a guard at a government hospital (Insane, the don't even call it an asylum anymore.) an employee was a real jerk, they could not fire the guy, because the UNION rule and law said they had to council him three times, write him up three times in 90 days. He played the system, and resumed his 'stuff' after the 90 days was up. He retired from the job, after decades of foul ups.

[@werefrogofassyria6609]

I would question, does this apply to all people terminated for the past 4 years, or only new terminations.

[@gregthebaritone]

Please be careful with addressing this woman's calling out the incompetencies of her co-workers. I'm afraid this will somehow get her in trouble. There is nothing the government likes more than punishing competent workers.

[@glenchamusco2380]

It isn't that you left NY it's that you closed your NY business in time to save yourself a lot of headaches.

[@jonathanroberts4615]

Like COVID and all it's rules, this law/ruling is to destroy all small business.

[@JamesKelly0628]

Ross has been Red Pilled by nyc’s craziness

[@schattenlaufer2191]

What's the effect called again ? the more you suppress something or someone, the more it is noticed.

[@dynallene]

@@schattenlaufer2191 the streisand effect, and this perfectly matches louis’ experience with the nyc government

[@mynameismynameyourname6197]

large companies are going to start leaving new york.

[@danspencer4235]

Start? They are leaving in droves!

[@larkan511]

Gotta love the people that can get the job done but somehow find a way to stretch it out far, far past what it should take them to do it.

[@ChrisM78]

Sounds like the state is trying to drive the remaining small businesses out. 200-400k penalty would sink most small businesses

[@MrROTD]

I fired a guy after one hour for staring at his phone I caught him three times when I was training him, told him to put his phone away three times, hopefully he learned a lesson, who stares at thier phone on the first day while being instructed how to do the job?

[@doctorgames101b]

Workers have a right to work, not right to work for a specific employee that does not want them. There's a difference. Good video, Louis.

[@MSBADDEZCHICK]

I agree with the bill because some employers have way too much power. I was fired from a job in NYC the employer included a non-compete in my offer letter so if they fire me I can no longer work in that industry again or their competitors if I'm fired. And upon firing me tried to make me sign a non-disclosure for me to never discuss the reason of my termination which I didn't sign. If all NYC employers were as ethical as Louis I wouldn't support the bill but the problem is that employers really take too much advantage of their employees. And employment doesn't come easy some times you have to take a job just to pay your bills.

[@xenxander]

Employer.... not employee.

[@Silvercerber]

​@@MSBADDEZCHICK Evry one signs noncompete becouse evry other person does, instead of standing up and not signing shit contracts like 0 h contracts, evryone just folows the heard . This stupid bill will make big corportations just make more draconian contracts that will force you or break you out of a job if you become a problem for them. And make small buisnesess either go bankrupt or to risky to start with. All in all it will just be hasle to big corporations and make them lean twords a corporate culture where a corporation needs to dig more traps for employs just in case, and snuff out small buisnesess , making big corporations stronger.

[@demuskumarius]

Got into a debate about this, with an employee, when I owned a pizza shop. He didn't think about the part were I wouldn't have hired him because he would have been to risky. The pay wouldn't be tracked by hand or be paid in scheduled shifts. It would be done on computer and it would all be tracked. We would have to write people up instead of just saying something sarcastic and moving on. The state I'm in is fair to employees and business' and I would not want to stir that pot, you might not like the results.

[@MrMagnaniman]

If history is any indication, we can expect a separate standard of enforcement for small businesses and large corporations.

[@Ultrajamz]

I wonder if congressmen will use this go get more pay when they lose an election 😂😂😂🤣

[@hattielankford4775]

I think they're trying to catch the people that abused the PPP loans. It would be good to have a plan for something like that like we had a plan to address a pandemic. Not sure how to make sure the plans are used. 🤷‍♀️

[@larrybills5840]

They should have done the due diligence and actually checked who deserved those ppp loans AND made sure that those loans where being used appropriately. But that takes competence 😢

[@kenosabi]

To your point - they couldn't even keep up with the PPP loans how is giving them more money a solution? Why would we reward them more money and power?

[@hattielankford4775]

@@kenosabi What do you mean?

[@NoPantsBaby]

Maybe not write a terrible law and just review the terminations under PPP as they were conditional on you retaining employees. If the condition is in the loan.... why pass a new law?

[@hattielankford4775]

@@larrybills5840 😁 Thank you! Let's talk about "shoulda". 😠 Haaaaave you met Ted? The playbook that we STILL have to test, because who really wouldn't use pre-made response plans to save our lives? 🙄😕

[@shiftyjedi3417]

This is a bad bad bad bill. Edit: You don’t want AI doing this. Trust me there are automated decisions and they often need to be fixed.

[@rars0n]

The problem is that too many people now think that work is a charity, rather than an agreement between an employer and an employee.

[@arikwolf3777]

The only good I can see from this bill is that it will force companies to eliminate all the DEI positions before it is passed. (If the companies are smart, that is.)

[@vinnymazzella9723]

That a discharge is a "wrongful discharge" must be determined by a jury or a judge in a bench trial, not by a bureaucrat, that's why the money paid to the employee is described as an 'award'. Please see the paragraph starting with 'FOLLOWING ANY VERDICT OR AWARD IN FAVOR' which explicitly references a court and a verdict.

[@calculator1841]

Oh great, more red tape and court fees! You really tried to fluff this bill, didn't you?

[@guittadabe5214]

New York - A foundation made of sand...it never ends well. This "let's make it difficult for employers to fire employees" was tried in France. The result that for the longest time there was no new net employment in France as no employer wanted to hire an employee and have it prohibitively be expensive to fire them if they don't work out.

[@ChadAV69]

This bill is ridiculous.

[@JuraIbis]

Just don't wrongful dismiss employees. Give them severance packages that are shit (or not) that they sign before leaving. Once that's done you are off the hook for anything because you can always say "they agreed to this" and provide minimum legal benefits. Don't fire people and just let them go on their own. It's what our company did to our IT department (our compensations aren't shit however, it's a good package). Once that's over we'll be completely severed and with no recourse.

[@lightworker2956]

Sounds great, but small businesses probably don't have the legal expertise or the money to hire a lawyer to set that up. This is a small business crushing bill.

[@Dfgbuiiyyyybb]

Companies eliminate positions just to fire people without cause (this usually happens when they’re really lax on reviews). I’ve seen it done before then a few months later they’re hire for the same position. Louis you’re an honest guy so I can understand why you’d rage at this bill but most people or companies are not like you.

[@JamieElli]

To be fair, I assume it would be decided by a jury like most legal disputes. And if it were to be decided by a jury, I kind of like this policy because firing someone unexpectedly for no reason isn't a great thing to allow. Although it might be better to only apply this to large companies.

[@mikefrachel8292]

The legal dispute would also cost a fortune. There definitely would be a lot of work done "you only pay if you win!" Employers will lose either way.

[@abcdefghijfghij]

@@mikefrachel8292 LOL what? Lawyers don't just throw out contingency agreements to anyone who wants one...those are for cases the lawyers are actually confident in.

[@JamieElli]

@@mikefrachel8292 Yeah, lawyers are smart and not known to like working for free. If they don't get paid for losing a case, they will not take a case they think they cant win.

[@alubto]

If it’s a wrongful discharge, decided by court, of course the employer have to pay lost wages

[@daviddavies3637]

I can see where it can make sense. Employee is unfairly fired and sues employer. Employee is unable to find new work and case drags on for four years. Employee has to prove to court/tribunal that they have been trying to get work but the market is depressed. Employee gets four years' worth of pay and benefits from former employer. Ultimately, as with any case, the burden of proof in all of that would be on the employee.

[@vaclavhruza2115]

Employees cant decide years later, he should immedietly submit that he was wrongfully discharched to governement and employers have several routes to choose: defend in court, rehire the employee, pay the employee. One thing i dont understand is how can anybody demend 4 years of pay for wrongfull discharge, 4 months should be max, maybe there are some super rare cases when you can argue 4 years.

[@lawler197]

You can't just fire people without reason because you are in a power position. I'll put it this way: down where I live we don't have any workers rights to lose. If your boss tells you to do something you do it or the ever looming threat of being fired gets closer. It's terrifying to think that if I don't over perform in my job I'll get the axe because some schmuck can be hired in my place, and then also be fired for not over performing. This bill is extreme but the requirements for being fired is so SO important. I can only imagine people who have to depend on their jobs for their life's (insurance, rent ect ect) and being forced to do unpleasant things.

[@rossmanngroup]

Incorrect. You can. If it is my money, I can choose to stop spending it on you, if you have chosen to stop doing a good job. You can't force me to pay you. That type of financial rape already exists with alimony, having it spread to small business is just bad all around.

[@lawler197]

@@rossmanngroup im just going to leave that statement be. have a good day man.

[@yngwiemainstream]

To be fair employers do fire competent, rule abiding employees. They just eliminate the position and shift responsibilities towards other employees (on different positions). And this happens in Europe, which is definitely employee oriented.

[@Patrick_B687-3]

Hope you’re enjoying Texas Louis. Welcome