Tesla voyeur employees spy on customers - these creeps should lose their jobs

[@doctorhfuhruhurr4380]

Complete nonsense. You're basing everything on some hearsay comments of ex employees who you know nothing about. I'll reserve judgment until facts are presented but you go ahead and rely on hearsay.

[@rossmanngroup]

Self upvoted cope from a Stan who upvotes his own posts.

[@doctorhfuhruhurr4380]

@@rossmanngroup Like it matters. Is not allowed? Does it really impact anything? Keep judging without evidence fool.

[@doctorhfuhruhurr4380]

@@rossmanngroup when you have no argument then change the subject, that works

[@jamesp6267]

Lol

[@rossmanngroup]

Next you will tell me that Reuters made it all up. Defending up voting your own posts is like defending kissing your sister. This is just disgusting. You are a stan.

[@qbasic16]

English: "Your privacy is important to us." Translated: "We like to see your privates."

[@Grayfox988]

Former employees saying it happened as recently as last year pretty much means that this is still happening RIGHT NOW.

[@gorkyd7912]

Or it could mean that Reuters would like to tank Tesla stock, probably because Musk bought Twitter and nearly all of his wealth is Tesla stock. Are any of these ex-employees named?

[@internetshortscomp5810]

they're anonymous to protect themselves

[@Supraboyes]

@@gorkyd7912 have you invested in tesla

[@Grayfox988]

@@gorkyd7912 Or it could not.

[@debtminer4976]

@@gorkyd7912 Either way, the capability shouldn't be there. They want to see a show, just don't press charges and I'll give you a God damn show. If you don't, just take out the ''eyes'' then and find something useful to do.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Another great example to bring up during Right-to-Repair hearings… Remember the “privacy protection” ads car manufacturers ran to warn against evil independent car repair shops stalking their customers in dark parking garages?

[@rossmanngroup]

To be fair, while I despise them for this, Tesla was one of the few big automakers that wasn't against question 1. General motors, Ford, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan funded those ads about independent repair people abusing your data. Tesla did not. Tesla deserves credit for not contributing millions of dollars towards those slanderous ads. I dislike what Tesla did here, but I cannot lump them in with the rest of the auto industry that spent money on those fear campaigns to convince consumers that right to repair supports redlining, racism, burglary, and kidnapping. I won't let my disdain for Elon musk or them as a company get in the way of reality. Tesla didn't make that argument that independents were rapists and burglars, the other major automakers did. There are enough reasons to dislike Tesla without manufacturing any. accuracy matters

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

While it’s “great” that Tesla didn’t participate in that campaign I appreciate the irony that a “trustworthy car manufacturer” basically did the “virtual” light version of what was shown in that ad. Maybe some Tesla management was approached to participate in that campaign and then realized that that might bite them in the rear extra hard some time in the not too distant future ;)

[@micesss]

@@rossmanngroup All of these videos have been eye opening about how Tesla and Elon Musk are both so messed up and shouldn't be trusted. I sent these to my parents who own Tesla cars and they are even considering selling their cars.

[@rossmanngroup]

Yeah definitely can appreciate the irony! We all knew the manufacturer was going to abuse customer privacy before independents did.

[@r.c.8268]

@@rossmanngroup That does not rule out the possibility that they will use those arguments the next time they pay a congressman to lobby in favor of them.

[@BubbleMania5678]

"Your privacy is very important to us" -> "No it's not". (Same response to "Your call is very important to us" whenever calling the NYS government).

[@TheHungrySlug]

wow, burn! Nearly every company nowadays!

[@Cybersawz]

We're viewed as a commodity, and a PITA.

[@joannleichliter4308]

I always figure that if a company has to air the "Your call is very important to us" trope, it means that you won't think so from their actions.

[@bonbonpony]

Company: "We value your privacy" Me: "I know, that's why I'll rather keep it to myself."

[@IndyAvocadoKid]

“Leave your name and number and we’ll call you right back”….within the next week 😂

[@AlineaEuros]

They tell us to be scared of repair mechanics/technicians for literally the things they're doing right now to their customers.

[@DeezNuggz]

have you noticed the projection trend yet?

[@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920]

always accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing.

[@MiniDevilDF]

that's how they came up with the idea of what to worry about

[@myne00]

Same mentally is why we're afraid of aliens. We're scared they'll treat us like we would treat them if we could. They're scared repairers act like they do.

[@pancakerzzz]

Apple does the same thing. my friend, after getting her phone back from apple repair services, opened it up and saw her nudes open, front and center. and she was a minor at the time.

[@pietracupam1]

I have been thinking about buying a tesla for years now. But this is the last straw for me, I'm not going to buy one ever, just because this exists. I don't care if they fix it, it should have never happened in the first place.

[@itsTyrion]

for me it was the apparent lack of QC with new 40k-130k $ cars. Even on a Model S for > 100'000. And then some *SMART* people on Twitter saying "uh what do you expect this is ain't a Mercedes". True. Wouldn't find the same issues on an AMG E series for the same price

[@robertsmith2956]

At least the people flashed the cameras on Disney log ride on purpose. I liked the pics.

[@cclsupra]

For me it was the being slightly damaged and its a write off for tesla and no open market for replacement parts.

[@d.p.9567]

Excellent. Elon broke my heart years ago. Eventually we do see these emperors wear no clothes.

[@MissEldira]

To me it does not matter how degenerate the spy is. There should not be spyware to begin with!!! We are far to willing to accept it and it has become almost impossible to avoid as a lot of it is built into hardware or operating systems and impossible to turn off or block. Instead of legislating against spyware, they are actively legislating to mandate it

[@deadmemesandbrokendreams]

Honestly made me feel kinda sick. That’s some twisted garbage especially the line about customers having “no expectation of privacy”. Absolutely sickening.

[@jort93z]

How dare you expect to have privacy in your own garage.

[@jort93z]

@@josephvanname3377 It seems the car still records when it is just charging.

[@alexandruilea915]

@@jort93z the software should recognize when st home and stop recording unless explicitly started to record an event such as the case with backing out of the garage bug

[@jort93z]

@@alexandruilea915 imo it should ask you if you want to report the event to tesla, every time. You know, like programs ask you if you want to report a crash to the developer? Why doesn't the tesla ask you if you want to report an autopilot fail or crash to tesla.

[@jackieboy1593]

That's why these cameras should be hardwired to only store data to a black box that you have completely control over, with zero internet connectivity.

[@deimosian]

They're just training the AI to recognize the car's owner by their genitals.

[@thatgreencat7978]

Oh no... NOT MY TESTIES

[@elenabob4953]

Well, don't you want it, after all this will make you car "safer" :p

[@ohsweetmystery]

🔥🔥🔥

[@anthonynelson6671]

Wonderful, the inklings of a vehicular gender culture-war has just been observed! Truck-nuts have nothing on this level of messed-up. (sarcasm implied)

[@IndyAvocadoKid]

@@thatgreencat7978 it’s the latest and greatest form of user entry, you don’t use a key or key fob or even show your face to the car, you stand in front of the car, drop your pants and modern biometric user authentication will open the car door (while Tesla employees laugh there ass off) 😂 geez, these fanboys will put up with anything 😮

[@RolyPolyGames]

More reason to never buy anything "smart" or internet connected. E: One Email server audit would prove them lying about it not being saved or it being for business only.

[@Ki-Bi]

So now you can't make love inside the car or near around it, that is what those creeps are expecting to find and not just random privacy, there is no doubt about it.

[@doooofus]

very reminiscent of the snowden leaks with the nsa, minus the promotions bit for sharing the pics i guess

[@DocNo27]

If I am ever forced to buy a new vehicle the first thing I would do is find and physically remove the embedded cellular modem. Hopefully I will never have to buy another car again.

[@TheHungrySlug]

I agree 100%. f that bs in-built crud no need to have that shiz all open without personal control!

[@CeigeNUT]

The problem is.. just like video games nowadays, I forsee that vehicles of the future won't be able to drive unless they are connected to an internet source.

[@TheHungrySlug]

@@CeigeNUT That is exactly where it's heading. but what happens because ISP's don't have sufficient network coverage in whatever area you are driving through and *you decide to make a rest stop. Can you use your car if it's out of network coverage, like phones? shiz is bad and not nearly thought through enough!

[@CD-vb9fi]

There are usually some videos for how to do things like that. More and more places are popping up to do these things.

[@BoopBobBeep]

Wait until the vehicle requires internet connection in order to start!

[@skweejee]

How is this not being reported on every news station

[@Snotnarok]

Because they have better things to report on: Things they've sensationalized to make more and more people hate eachother for picking 'the wrong side' of politics or whatever else they can make up without reporting actual real news.

[@infinitesimotel]

Backhanders and agenda conformance most likely

[@beanburritozz3044]

Because twitter, google, and apple already have all your data and nobody cares

[@KARLOSPCgame]

Because the cars status quo, talk bad about a car and you will become the enemy

[@peachulemon]

Elso suppressing it on Twitter probably, and banning every who talks about I can bet

[@cormoran2303]

While the car owner might "give up their privacy", their family members have not signed those same rights away. This seems highly criminal. This from the company owned by the same guy who went absolutely bananas over his mere location being broadcast.

[@infinitesimotel]

The only rights consumers have, is to be exploited in every way without recourse.

[@FlabbyTabby]

Privacy for me, but not for thee. - Elon, probably

[@cpK054L]

@@FlabbyTabby Tesla is a data-driven company. Elon doesn't care about what you do, but he does care that what you do makes him a shitload of money for rocket to Mars.

[@sujanaryal833]

I remember getting in a heated debate with his goons in the comments about how the kid didn't do anything wrong because flights information is already public and he merely made it easy to look. I am sure those goons will unironically defend this practice. They care about Elon's "privacy" more than theirs own.

[@cpK054L]

@@sujanaryal833 not all flights are public. That's where he is wrong. Flying a plane in an airspace without a callsign is a quick way to get shot down by the airforce

[@carldevans1]

Every time I start to consider buying a Tesla, there's a new news report or a tweet that makes me change my mind.

[@richardcampbell8685]

Yup and all modern cars are following after.

[@gorkyd7912]

There are two kinds of news in America: establishment and independent. Establishment media wants to tank Tesla stock because #1 they want to buy it themselves after it tanks, #2 it is being used to fund Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, #3 they are invested in Ford and Rivian and they will benefit from Tesla tanking. Independent media wants to tank Tesla stock because they don't want drivers to be forced into electric vehicles. So that's why you get anti-Tesla reports all the time constantly. But consider the source, would Reuters ever lie? Would the unnamed ex-employees ever lie?

[@tux_the_astronaut]

This is why older cars are better im never gonna get a car that can connect to the internet

[@mirandataylor6385]

The images of the people who were decapitated by Tesla vehicles is enough to make me never consider getting one.

[@MaryWehmeier]

You’re not alone. Oh. Hell. No.

[@tayzonday]

Imagine if Apple employees did this with Siri 😱

[@Demopans5990]

They already do

[@Thejeanio]

wow i didn't expect to see you here chocolate man

[@Erowens98]

100% guaranteed they do/did. With big tech spyware its guilty until proven innocent.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

What makes you think they dont?

[@TomSawyersLeftNut]

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj I'm almost 99% certain he's being sarcastic.

[@DyaniAdornBeads]

This is the kind of news that makes me hesitate selling my 2001 sedan. I miss basic cars. I don’t want to sit inside a reality television vibe car and I don’t want to pay subscriptions. It’s madness.

[@ArDeeMee]

If your cars runs, keep it. If it doesn’t, get a second hand car, older model. Research older models on the internet, so you know what to expect. Alternatively, buy a cheap Chinese or Korean car. The cheaper, the less tech.

[@tux_the_astronaut]

I will never get a car that can connect to the internet

[@infinitesimotel]

@@ArDeeMee Buy the oldest model you can and get parts for it

[@davidshepherd265]

I was having a discussion with a friend not long ago about something along the lines of this, and she was saying that she might have upgrade from her old Saturn, and I said, "no, if anything do whatever you can to keep that thing on the road" Personally between shit like this, and the fact that most new cars in general don't really appeal to me anymore, I can't see myself upgrading from the newest car I have which is from 2007.

[@cpK054L]

@@infinitesimotel problem is that OEMs are near IMPOSSIBLE to get, even dealerships don't sell them. The best you can do is literally build it yourself with a CNC machine.

[@Bimmer1850]

We use to be terrified of big brother but apparently have been conditioned to welcome it. I imagine our morality is next as stated in all social media app agreements. "You forfeit your morale rights"

[@soliniv1411]

It's inevitable mr anderson

[@rars0n]

I don't even want them to have access to METADATA about the things I'm doing, let alone a live video feed. You'd have to be insane to buy a car from this company, honestly. My decision to buy older, used cars continues to pay off time and time again.

[@Random-ji5sy]

Louis always bringing us the real juicy news

[@bonkmaykr]

This all has happened before. Didn't Snowden mention something about how the feds would share and laugh at intimate text messages?

[@ForgottenKnight1]

Yup, this is why you need to always use a VPN provider, preferably not from your country.

[@deadsettle]

​@@ForgottenKnight1 VPNs are so over hyped as a perfect privacy solution, better sure but you still gotta trust the VPN provider when they say it's not back doored...

[@bonkmaykr]

@@ForgottenKnight1 A VPN is not going to protect you from something like this... Do you actually believe that will work? A VPN just tunnels traffic, it's not going to save you from a compromised device or poor data retention by the software you are using.

[@cycleboy8028]

Just starting the video... but this HAS to fall under wiretapping laws in all states and federally since they probably got images across state lines.

[@harriettedaisy2233]

No expectation of privacy in your own garage? Ooookaaayyy, no expectation of purchasing a Tesla.

[@louisvl10]

This is a universal law: power makes humans go mad. If an employee can use the company's IT infra to stalk people, someone will eventually do it. #Decentralize

[@Disenfranchised-lu1zv]

Indeed. Those that seek power the most are the ones that least deserve it.

[@bonbonpony]

Just give people the right tools and wait, and you can be sure that they'll figure out how to make the "right" use of them. The last couple of years was a perfect example of that.

[@Manatee360Phototography]

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[@MadsterV]

The best way for a LARGE margin to keep your data private over the internet is: don't send your data over the internet. At least not unencrypted.

[@louisvl10]

@@MadsterV This should be built in by default into everything but companies enjoy being able to snoop on our shiit too much, iit's the whole business moddel of most IT giants... Some zero knowledge smart contract construction could solve it all but that don't pay the bills of the aforementioned companies'CEO's and investors. Fucking circus shit.

[@ryandgarland]

I would be shocked if all of the 3 letter agencies don't have backend access to this camera data. Just like they have hooks into Google searches, your email, all of your phone calls and phone camera.

[@ShaunDrutar]

They do and have used the capability a few times indeed.

[@CD-vb9fi]

They have it. Not only does the US government not use NSL's and inappropriate relationships or communications with these companies they also send in or TURN "employees" that are working there that has the access necessary to gain this information.

[@coaulsi]

Ofc they do

[@ricky4673]

It's all one big mafia in charge of underlings. Mush is just an underling.

[@infinitesimotel]

the real issue is : why would they NOT have intrinsic access?

[@spiderjerusalem6887]

20 second mark is one of my favorite Louis moments ever.

[@FoulNews]

If you do this type of shit in the Healthcare industry, you're facing significant legal consequences, as well as the healthcare company. This type of stuff will become more and more commonplace as more tech gets injected into cars. I remember the OnStar scandals back when OnStar first came out with employees listening in etc... As much as I can't stand new laws / legislation, there should be something in place for companies spying on their consumers.

[@ryank6322]

Jerks like this are the reason that big government exists...😕

[@bonbonpony]

Laws is an attempt to solve this problem at the wrong level. What we need instead is open hardware that is easily auditable for everyone, and in the long run, hardware that can be manufactured by everyone in their own garage or a small privately-owned company. The way technology is (ab)used against us these days is a direct outcome of the fact that we're not in charge of the technology - just the big corpos are, and we are only users/consumers (i.e. wallets with legs) to them.

[@MickeyMishra]

I can tell you that the Veterans Administration had many more holes then plugs in their System. Its been like this for a long time. Same with anyone who can tap into a microphone? A camera? They will.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

There are existing measures to deal with this sort of abuse. They're called wood chippers.

[@cpK054L]

You're implying nurses don't blab their brains out. > Imagine being this foolish I had a nurse Ultrasound my testicles. I wouldn't doubt she told her friends about my swollen nut sack.

[@elishmuel1976]

Sounds just about what you expect of a company owned by The Old Mollusk.

[@elenabob4953]

Rather it is expected to happen in a company mostly populated by young and "hip" people who didn't discover the common sense or decency.

[@slick3996]

@@elenabob4953 but it is so weird, surely Micrsoft, Meta etc. employ new young people, why do I always hear about Tesla having incompetent and childish management, at this point they probably ask you to rank memes during an interview

[@angellike2234]

Thank you, Louis, for this video, I already returned 6 fleet Teslas because of this. Louis, you also are using the language I used when I returned them to Tesla

[@shellyd9287]

After listening to you rant in this video I am more inclined to send my device to you for repair. YOU GET IT!!

[@RyanRoadReaper]

Exactly why I dont want a car with a camera and microphones pointed at me that I can't turn off, or one that sends my GPS data and everything about my driving habits to God only knows who.

[@pjpleiss]

The bigger questions I have are "why is this video data being sent to tesla corporate?" and "why is this data not locked behind a security system where the employee must have a documented need (or a warrant) to access the data?"

[@MyName-tb9oz]

Supposedly the camera data is needed for improving the self-driving feature. They need the observations of traffic situations and how the car would handle the situation to improve the system. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is employees having any kind of access to those recordings AT ALL. Also... Louis is right about the corporate culture being the problem. This is a really serious issue for Tesla.

[@richardcampbell8685]

As a former cyber guy we always understood that, just because you had access didn’t mean you got to look.

[@bonbonpony]

But if it is possible to look, someone will do that eventually.

[@infinitesimotel]

You did, but others take it as "can" means "will". And they will.

[@anthonynelson6671]

@@infinitesimotel True, sometimes all somebody needs as a reason to do something is that they simply can do it.

[@XDRosenheim]

But why do you have access if you do not have to look at it?

[@anthonynelson6671]

@@XDRosenheim I think that is a good question. One way I can think of to go about answering it is through a healthcare analogy. Suppose two nurses who work for the same hospital on the same floor have zero overlapping patients, but their authority levels and role permissions are the same. And they are working the same day-part. Each nurse could technically have equal access and permissions to jump into all the charts of all the patients on that floor. But, in the course of their shifts, they likely would not have cause to be accessing any charts of the same patients assuming neither had to be covering for the other at any section of time during the shifts.

[@4sh3n47]

we shouldn't have to rely on the privacy policy or the company culture. there should just be no way for anyone at tesla to remotely view the cameras

[@bvoyelr]

Sadly, it's part of the package that customers bought -- they specifically purchased self driving capabilities, which includes collection of camera data to help train and improve the system. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that -- if you don't want it, you don't have to buy it (and with Tesla, it's a literal a la carte system, which is nice). So humans will have to look at this data eventually. We just need them to do it responsibly.

[@sujanaryal833]

@@bvoyelr humans don't need to look at those camera images and videos. All they need to do is automatically feed the data to the AI.

[@arcrad]

​@@sujanaryal833 sadly it takes people manually identifying objects in the video/images to create training data for the AI. That's how it learns to identify things in the first place.

[@javianbrown8627]

I worked at a company where I had to often enter people's credit card info and I knew how scary it was for some people. The worst part is I'm the kind of person who can sometimes remember random information whether I wanted to or not and I've always tried my best to not memorize their credit card details because even though using this info you couldn't track it back to me easily, I valued the trust the costumers had in us and I was literally just a regular worker who had no vested interest in the company or anything. It was just a day to day job but even then we're still dealing with other people here.

[@Snotnarok]

That's exactly why I didn't take any calls or EMAIL requests for buying things. I had people who didn't want to buy via the store's web interface through my small business and I refused to take credit card info via calls. I told them that their orders go through the store anyway, it's not any more or less secure and they should order what they want straight from the store where we have SSL & shopify to protect their info.

[@cecollins68]

Im convinced that this is how the large majority of credit card theft occurs, you get on a phone call with someone give over your information and then they either steal the Info themselves or forward it to someone else for cash who then sells it online for profit.

[@TNumbers]

Fun fact: A certain Live Nation location (not sure if it’s the same at others) required you to enter your whole SSN in on a keypad in order to clock in and clock out. This was years ago and don’t know if it still happens but I could only imagine what could happen if someone were to take advantage of it...

[@Rico-iz8mb]

The Reueters/Router/OpenWRT joke KILLED ME and it was only the beginning XD

[@MrSkyentist]

This is actually interesting in another aspect. On any military installation, you can't have things like dash cams or recording devices. Tesla records data while driving and when someone gets too close to the vehicle if that mode is enabled. I kind of wonder if military installation are going to restrict Teslas on base in the future because of this. Certain smart watch functions like tracking runs with your gps are also not allowed in certain areas because of security restrictions.

[@asdfbeau]

I think they should treat autopilot data-labeling the same way they treat PHI processing: Special workstations, and special rooms ensure that you cannot copy/exfiltrate any data that you see, without it being noticed by the cameras that are recording you. I get that it's overkill, but if you prove you can't be trusted then we have to treat you like you can't be trusted.

[@Bandopede]

I'll personally never understand why people freak out over being watched at work anyway, if you were doing your fucking job you wouldn't have time to worry about it.

[@rrraewr]

Because it's a very very very slippery slope that ends in the wagie cagie. If you give micro managing control freaks an inch, they'll take everything.

[@brainndamage]

Absolute highest level of security is only possible with no physical or network access possible. Networked systems could be hacked, offline systems could have data exfiltrated with mass storage drives or just taking pictures of the screen with a concealed camera. It would be much harder than just giving unprotected access.

[@Uooooooooooooh]

​​​​​​@@Bandopedelol what am I even reading? What's not to understand? There's always assholes who will abuse every bit of freedom they have. Doesn't mean everyone else doing their job properly should like being monitored like toddlers. It's a very basic issue of trust. I'm not disagreeing with the original comment btw, since it seems to be such a widespread issue at Tesla they have shown they can't be trusted and need supervision like the mental toddlers they are

[@Bandopede]

@@Uooooooooooooh Trust for WHAT? People aren't fucking trustworthy 😂😂 the average American worker doesn't DESERVE better treatment.

[@Starsdontcry]

I would disagree at an extent because you shouldn't have to worry about "company culture" in the first place as a customer if the company was not "collecting data". We are getting trained to assume that any equipment we buy that has a camera , a microphone, gps etc, these days is automatically spying on you. I am more concerned on the fact we become numb on giving up any sort of privacy for convenience.

[@zexx1lion]

I think there will be a comeback of LIDARs. Unrestricted access to camera feeds is an invasion of privacy by default. If a company swears to not do it again and there will be no leaks - it's not enough. Maybe LIDARS are too expensive now, but at least they don't produce life-like images.

[@bobsquirrelking]

The fact that they are even able to just reach out and access the cameras is terrifying and should get Tesla sued into the ground. This sort of thing should require very upfront and obvious wording that cannot be skimmed over or misunderstood when the customer is signing, and it should also ONLY apply to video captured while the engine is running. The car should not even be able to send video from when the car is not running, and there is no reason to include location data for an AI. The only point of location data is to build a sort of map the car can use to supplement a substandard AI that can't properly figure things out otherwise. I already had decided to never buy a Tesla due to how terrible their support is for problems with the car, this makes me very happy with my previous decision. This is horrific. Edit: Okay, I forgot about sentry mode (because I never plan to get a Tesla I don't pay much attention to specific features like that), so it being able to record while parked makes sense. But again: it should be made plainly obvious what you are agreeing to, not lumped in with general ":sharing of telemetry" that literally every bit of software asks you to agree to. And regardless of privacy policies and agreements: Yeah, that culture is extremely toxic. What was it you have said (repeatedly)? That the companies are always accusing people of what they are doing? Have your lobbyists bring this up any time a company lobbyist tries to argue that 3rd party repair companies would misuse customer data.

[@El_K_Bron_Del_Moycas]

Videos like this make me love my old car even more every day.

[@Luminousplayer]

this is why the best protection will always be...putting tape over the camera lol

[@ArDeeMee]

Literally hack-proof. =)

[@sylviam6535]

Extend that to all your Internet connected devices.

[@jort93z]

Will still be able to record audio.

[@boumarc]

"What Happens in Your Tesla, Stays in Your Tesla" video recently posted on youtube's official corporate Tesla channel is quite unbelievable

[@sebastiend.5335]

Duuuuuude! You rock on so many levels! Friggin' love your channeled anger! Greetings from the Netherlands

[@banedon8087]

If I or any of my work colleagues did something like this (we deal with web filtering) we would either face a disclipinary/last warning or simply be sacked for gross misconduct. In any event, we'd also be reported to the ICO (Information Commissioner's Office) who would also apply fines, etc. to both our company and the individual involved.

[@eligoldman9200]

I knew about this becuase a good friend of mine who works at Tesla told me. I’m surprised it took this long to get this out. I heard about this in 2020.

[@jonintheredZ06]

This is why I buy older cars. There's no reason to pay the overinflated prices for these new "luxury" cars that are spying on you. Someone below commented they would disable the modem/router except I bet you every system will be tied into that soon and disabling the modem will brick the car, with the excuse given being along the lines of "it needs to be able to watch you for the safety systems to work." This is why my daily driver is a 2014 Fiesta ST with nothing having an external connection, even my GPS requires a physical SD card, and my fun car is a 2003 Z06 Corvette with no cameras and nothing that creates an outgoing connection. If you have an older car, keep it, fix it.

[@poptpil]

the 360 cameras were a unique tesla feature i was hoping to see on more brands in the future but not anymore

[@mondrian5620]

Tell ‘em Louis! This privacy shit is getting out of control and it’s only getting worse.

[@weneedmorefacemapsasprofil1593]

Well i mean, silly things caught on security cameras have been a thing for decades, same with creeps watching the foota- >in their garage Ah, forgot how current our year is.

[@psychotictactoe]

Tesla owners: Im getting spied on!!! Musk: I dont care, im too busy grafting computers to mouses brains!

[@MB1BUMPER]

They are not the only ones that watch us.I agree it’s atrociously wrong.This is why I have no cameras in my home or vehicle except on my camera phone which has a blocker cover for camera.

[@MyName-tb9oz]

This is why I don't have a phone. That thing has so many ways of watching you it's ridiculous. Covering the camera just prevents one of the many ways it tracks you. There was a paper written a couple of years ago about using the sensors in a phone to see if you were intoxicated. It worked. They could tell in something like 20 feet of walking if the person had been drinking using the sensors on a phone in their pocket. That's just one of _many_ stories about capturing data using a 'smart' phone. Smart phone, dumb user.

[@yodaslovetoy]

They should join the FBI

[@Sunset4Semaphores]

This is a feature!

[@Cybersawz]

Don't be so sure they haven't already.

[@atomicdynamite1937]

Or the nsa

[@elenabob4953]

Considering that Chinese banned the entering if Tesla in their military bases I would bet that they are allied with CIA or NSA

[@mf--]

​@@js44317 do remember Snowden and how he published that there were not nearly as many rules as people thought?

[@ErazerPT]

Back when i was at IT support, i'd very actively ask people, when viable and/or possible, to backup and remove any data they had on the machines before i worked on them. They mostly found it humorous and... never did it. That's how much they found me "not social", ie, "don't give two tweets about your stuff, just gonna fix it and move on asap". But some colleagues... they sure did get a deep icy stare when they tried to share something they "found". No one ever did it twice. But meh, pretty sure Tesla hired them based solely on their performance as label-monkeys without giving two tweets about their work ethics.

[@SleepyFen]

If there was any justice in the world, those people should never be allowed to work more than a cashier job for the rest of their lives. Clearly the potential punishment from the gdpr appears too ephemeral for creeps

[@cannaroe1213]

GDPR is a joke

[@trieshardgaming]

Jesus. This is terrifying.

[@elenabob4953]

Nope that is not that terrifying compared to what automatic vacuum cleaners pick-up or your phone camera.

[@profusemoose1488]

There does need to be more than just a sense of shame, consequences need to exist.

[@davidburke1794]

I got stuck with backing up cell phones to migrate to a new device at my company. I was lucky that the tool used didn't allow me to see the data, just make a blob file and drop it on the new device. However, the senior managers didn't have proper company issued phones, and I had one that she had self made movies...omg, I will NEVER do that again. Didn't expect that from a female manager, but it was extremely disturbing and she walks around with that on a phone!

[@DansplainingVideo]

“Your privacy is important to us. That’s why we took it from you.”

[@nucleartime]

No expectation of privacy doesn't mean consenting to constant surveillance everywhere. It's one thing for a police car to read a license plate, it's an entirely different thing to install license plate readers on every single intersection and be able to trace every single car trip taken in an area.

[@ElJosher]

Exactly

[@swagmuffin9000]

If there's ever a lawsuit and they lose (probably won't happen), they would get sued for so little that the problem won't go away, and people will continue to buy teslas and consent to what they are doing

[@Andromeda103]

If spying and invasion of privacy like that is not illegal (and I'm pretty sure it is in some parts of the world), it should be. They shouldn't even have access to those videos. There is no reason to. Creeps.

[@hideakiakio6698]

It is illegal it's against the Constitution but companies get away with it for reasons of "national security" even though if I remember correctly after 9/11 the thing where your phones spied on you was only supposed to be temporary and end once that war ended.

[@AngryVet44]

@@hideakiakio6698 when you buy a product you sign their terms of service, that has nothing to do with the constitution and if we go back to the conservative Lochner era AGAIN. The constitution does not protect you from PRIVATE COMPANIES. that contract you sign by buying or being employed by a company will not be allowed to be disrupted by the US government in any way. FYI, red states are already rolling back child labor laws and children in this country are already getting hurt and dying at workplaces. “The Lochner era is a period in American legal history from 1897 to 1937 in which the Supreme Court of the United States is said to have made it a common practice "to strike down economic regulations adopted by a State based on the Court's own notions of the most appropriate means for the State to implement its considered policies".[1] The court did this by using its interpretation of substantive due process to strike down laws held to be infringing on economic liberty or private contract rights.[2][3] The era takes its name from a 1905 case, Lochner v. New York. The beginning of the era is usually marked earlier, with the Court's decision in Allgeyer v. Louisiana (1897), and its end marked forty years later in the case of West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish (1937), which overturned an earlier Lochner-era decision.[4] The Supreme Court during the Lochner era has been described as "play[ing] a judicially activist but politically conservative role".[5] The Court sometimes invalidated state and federal legislation that inhibited business or otherwise limited the free market, including minimum wage laws, federal (but not state) child labor laws, regulations of banking, insurance and transportation industries.[5] The Lochner era ended when the Court's tendency to invalidate labor and market regulations came into direct conflict with Congress's regulatory efforts in the New Deal””

[@weirdyoda04]

I remember one or two years back watching a Tesla presentation, and one of the presenters was talking about reviewing crash data from the cameras and he let out a little bit of excitement and I remember thinking it was offputting. Now I know why he got out a little bit of excitement.

[@senbrisbane5352]

You know someone was murdered in front of a Tesla and they hid the footage and did not make the authorities aware of the evidence.

[@whyarewehere3893]

New article link?

[@georgep370]

Horrible stuff! But the last 3 seconds of the video definitely made my day ! 😂

[@JodyBruchon]

No, the ability shouldn't exist on the first place.

[@donalddarbonne779]

I agree that privacy is more important to me than a status symbol.

[@minorityofthought1306]

The aftermarket will take care of this. There will be workarounds devised that will simply replace the Tesla computer hardware. Or you could just buy a car that doesn't watch your every movement and is not connected to the internet. Old tech rules!

[@Marco911]

Now think about Security cam manufacturers that force you into a cloud subscription

[@959_MC]

could you please apply a normalizer to your microphone, you tend to talk very quietly then burst out loudly in anger, meaning if a viewer sets their volume to a reasonable loudness to not blow their ears off, they won't be able to understand 90% of what you are saying

[@manuel_the_q]

Meh. Can't say I didn't see this coming. That's why I cover all cameras on devices I own, including my phone. I know that any camera connected to the internet can be accessed by someone else other than me. I actively tell people to not purchase vehicles with internet connectivity for this very reason. Guess I was right; and, unfortunately, that means we as consumers all lose. (Hint: I know something will read this message before it even makes it to KZbin)

[@ArDeeMee]

(+ KZbin filter algorithms)

[@Lorofol]

Why the fuck do Tesla Employees have access to customer recording data. Shouldn't this be encyrpted under the customer's account?

[@jetlagged3645]

So uhh...Anyone want to start a co-op to build an analog car to get away from this dystopia?

[@pedrosmith4529]

Are they doing that in Europe? With our strict data protection laws, they would be fined into oblivion

[@MetalMachine131]

The fact that the car continuously records is already illegal. If they are dumb enough to share that around as well, then Twitter will not be Elons biggest screw up this year.

[@logitech4873]

@@MetalMachine131 How is continuous recording illegal? All dashcams work that way.

[@fatihsaidduran]

@@logitech4873 It's not about the continuous scanning but more about the content being scanned (private life) and how the data is being handled. Personal data (children, people's geolocation, biomarkers) all touch such data privacy laws and require special treatment.

[@soulmourne2698]

This is one reason why old cars are the better cars, without trash spying systems and trash scam payment services to unlock the hardware the car already has, not just that, in terms of built quality, old cars are much better than modern cars, much more reliable and easy to fix if mantained correctly.

[@MetallicBlade]

And most can be paid-off quicker too.

[@LiEnby]

Too bad they destroy the environment 😪

[@kindisc]

Louis, sell your tesla and buy a nice 2nd hand diesel truck. you know it makes sense......😋

[@mr.anderson70]

Last summer (June 2022), Tesla laid off close to 300 people in the labelling department. I would seriously doubt any of those that were terminated would have done anything like this or made up any stories to throw Tesla under the bus.

[@nettlesoup]

Nice idea. The trouble is, we've all encountered workmates who exhibit these tendencies to access private data without any self-control or regard for the other parties' right to privacy. I'm shocked, but I don't doubt that this happens. When you're concentrating on rapid growth and don't value customers' privacy enough to do basic monitoring and have regular reviews of data controls and employee behaviour, you end up with exactly the kind of workplace practice Louis is describing. It becomes impossible for one person who cares to raise the alarm internally because it's pervasive.

[@LazerLord10]

Next car I get I'm just gonna find the antenna and cut the damn thing out if stuff like this becomes the norm.

[@mjc0961]

But I need to vote no on question 1 to keep my data safe, right auto industry lobbying organizations? As always it's the companies collecting the data who are the biggest risk than the third party companies and people we're told to worry about. Every accusation is a confession.

[@mjc0961]

10:23 - Ooof, that awkward moment when China bans a US product over privacy concerns and turns out to be correct to have done so.

[@joelnaya5341]

Any device connected to the internet that has camera and microphone should inherently be seen as privacy invasive.

[@robertely686]

'If you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about'

[@Redbikemaster]

Should only apply to government employees on the clock

[@sweetmelon3365]

One of the reason I won't buy electric cars. I don't want other pppl to have control over it

[@Vizeroy9]

You need written consent to record /photograph people in public places in Germany

[@DrewskisBrews]

Kudos to you for identifying the company culture aspect of this.

[@TLFaun]

World is slowly going into the cyberpunk era ... where people are watched and tracked every second of every day.

[@Felice_Enellen]

I would pay so much money to watch a 1-on-1 interview with Louis and Elon.

[@cannaroe1213]

The fake autist fears the autismo superchad that is Louis.

[@vividimaginer]

I mean, the company should lose the ability to do this shit.

[@xoOPhoenixOox]

9:15 "Teslas global fleet "?! And here I thought they had sold all of those vehicles...

[@decorumlopez9147]

you're just buying into being surveilled 24/7.

[@Sam-zz3jw]

Fucking beautiful reasoning Louis, I wish this rhetoric was across the mainstream much much more. In fact I would say this is ironic, it is the kind of thing Musk used to rant about regarding companies with A's B's and C grade employees. I think this kind of thing is part of the secret sauce behind the inexorable trend of companies/organisations/entities; from being filled with 'A' grade people; to eventually being entrenched with nothing but 'C' grade people (kens and karens); where the entity ceases to be capable of attracting and allowing anything but the C's in, because "C's will never hire A's"... I think this kind of thing creates a long term investment, which only returns a massive vulnerability. Not managing/handling your rockstars properly, I think this gives leverage for the eventual ken/karen takeovers that Musk used to campaign against. I think the guy needs to aim his autistic simulator gift at this and have a look at its trajectory through the different timeline choices. Honestly if he cant do that, I would say he may be too far gone in terms of un-compensated-for cognitive biases.

[@sndy57]

You can take the person outta New York, but ya can’t take the New York attitude outta the person. Luv ya, Louis. 😆

[@FlyMIfYouGotM]

Crap like this is EXACTLY why I will not have ANYTHING in or around my house that uses a camera and/or audio and has anything resembling a subscription or cloud service/access!!!!!!

[@hughneutron5303]

literally just came back from the store. had a cocky tesla owner trying to talk shit on my 400hp saab that i built from the ground up. i literally laughed the whole time and told him to check your channel out ;)

[@Tempo_Gigante]

Eeeew, Saab. Not sure what's worse a Saturn or Saab.

[@MetallicBlade]

@@Tempo_Gigante I'd still take a Saab over the Tesla e-waste car any day.

[@Tempo_Gigante]

@@MetallicBlade Didn't know teslas have a tailpipe.

[@hughneutron5303]

@@Tempo_Gigante i think you're mistaken. swedish built saabs (not the gm era. we don't talk about those) are probably better built then whatever the hell you drive LOL. they're also A HELL of a lot more fun. but if you're talking late 2000s saabs then yes, they're junk (but at the time they were still a lot of car for the money, not to mention safer then volvos). btw the last of the saabs were actually built on saturn chassis. also what makes saturns so bad huh? i've worked on hundreds of them and they all just need routine maintenance. not onne had any big ticket problems (and believe me, some were HOOPTYS)

[@Tempo_Gigante]

@@hughneutron5303 Uh, they just the ugliest cars on the planet.

[@WXSTANG]

A Tesla, at a persons residence, in a garage, should have it's cameras locked, and off. There is no need to record then. It is sad to think that everything is spying on you these days, and trying to ridicule individuals for fun. It is the same as someone placing a camera in your home, without your consent.

[@mahindradonald]

Agreed to the first statement on video!

[@user-ct1md9lw9d]

Louis, I enjoy hearing your opinions and rants about various topics. However, when you yell into the mic it is uncomfortable to earbud users. Please consider using a filter or volume normalization. Thank you. Sincerely, My Ears

[@0x007A]

This is part of the reason I only drive standard transmission vehicle without any modern "conveniences" except occasionally electric windows. Too many drivers cannot use the mirrors to back up and park.

[@altyrrell3088]

I hadn't thought of that. Guess I'd better learn to drive a standard before my car breaks down for good.

[@yoteawhirl1987]

this is why I'm never getting rid of my 02 mazda. I'll rebuild it until it looks like Voyager. New cars won't even have side mirrors, only more cameras. Roll back regulation, make good cars again without the crap.