Could bystanders have prevented NYC subway fire death? | Vargas Reports

[@gabbygirl2239]

He's not insane he's a Monster

[@kingmaafa120]

Beyond

[@ChanaReich]

I don't buy the insanity claim he sat and watched her die it's way to sick. And if he's sick lock him up in psych ward..,.......

[@BenWilson-pv3be]

*Joe and kamala left the border open wide.*

[@micahingram4956]

​@@ChanaReich how is that not the same as insane?

[@OutragedPufferfish]

Nobody is insane.

[@drinny26]

Forget the bystanders, how about the police who just walked by her?

[@SlapwillMotivate]

She was already on fire. The damage was done by time they walked by. The passengers could have prevented or stopped this situation. But New York punishes good citizens.

[@Releasethebats123]

If you look he mentioned it on his walkie talkie. What do you expect him to do?! Put it out with his flammable polyester jacket?

[@브라이안PR]

​@Releasethebats123, there is no excuse. The lack of care and urgency is what's wrong with this situation

[@johnmchugh8049]

@@SlapwillMotivateno excuse - it’s disgusting that people let this happen - this is why I left nyc

[@leoballa1923]

How many Police Officers have you seen walking around with fire extinguishers? Were they supposed to shoot the flames out? Maybe taser them?

[@elephantroom9699]

Insanity is NO longer an excuse for anyone. Stop using that insanity loop hole

[@poiuttyrfghj8474]

Agreed. It's too easily abused to mitigate punishment and even if someone is insane that's not normally an excuse for their actions. They should still face consequences.

[@smokeymcpot69]

Insanity just means someone goes to a mental institution until they are fit to stand trial....

[@JenniferDaniels909]

It hardly ever works in court decisions even if we hear about it as a defense often.

[@Sublime_37]

It is full blown demonic activity.

[@GolDRoger-fx2fp]

I only saw insanity in the government officials by ignoring the problem of homelessness and poverty in the country.

[@mirandaaldrich9616]

His soul looks dead

[@briannasteele7937]

It is dead. There is pure evil. We are in a spiritual battle.

[@diyoregonnowtexas9202]

It basically is.

[@_Ella_Serbia_Deutschland]

What an incredible thing it is.. he is alive and breathing but his eyes and soul are empty and you can see it.. it is unbelievable that there are such people among us and how... how can that happened ..that a person comes to the point of losing his soul ..

[@JPE90]

He's homeless, that will make anyone dead

[@phonetutor]

True

[@armandogarcia6169]

But yet this isn’t considered a terrorist attack like Luigi’s case

[@Debthouse]

Apparently it only qualifies as terrorism if the ultra-wealthy feel threatened as a collective. It would be rare, if ever, to encounter a person of substantial wealth sleeping on public transit, so the attack, despite being extremely violent and inhumane, did not incite terror amongst the "right" demographic.

[@VeraxMusic]

Terrorist = political statement. There was no statement here

[@carchick7545]

It's because Luigi is an American citizen and not an illegal alien

[@verityhunt2913]

A terrorist attack targets civilians with an ideological motivation. This was murder because it was not for an ideological cause.

[@Leroy-df3ee]

Because it's not.

[@Idontknowsht]

The biggest evil is allowing this to continue happening.

[@oF-KoRn]

Cant wait for Trump. We're taking our country back.

[@georgeroman165]

"WE THE PEOPLE" allowed this to happen! We were so concerned with being politically correct and made way for the "Gaza" protestors to disrupt our everyday lives, yet none of us protested to have Biden shut down the border even after a second or third of one of our citizens died at the hands of foreign invaders. Furthermore, we're quick to pull out our cellphones at the drop of a hat to record others being victimized by thugs in our subways, but how many of us are ready to defend a fellow citizen; or applaud one who does, rather than call them vigilantes?! Those who stand idly by when someone is being victimized are no better than the perpetrator. May The Almighty help me, because I refuse to stand idle any longer!!!

[@TTvchannel11]

Exactly they need security everywhere to much crime happens too much

[@FloridaMariner713]

Investigate why the cop casually strolled by while she was standing ablaze.

[@Justin-pb8sx]

Well he's a policeman. That's a fire. You need a fireman.

[@BernardLimpet-qd8bk]

That's what I wanna know 👍

[@karensback]

No-one wants to be another Chauvin.

[@just_peachy77]

​@Justin-pb8sx Ok so why didn't he get help, or try to help himself? He's supposed to protect, that's his job. He just stood there not doing anything.

[@ritepaxkpuchipaxk1076]

He did it because of stolen land

[@navitabishun7688]

Pure evil we live amongst 😡

[@CAIN_STAR]

These are literally vessels that contain demons.

[@万恶共匪毒害中华]

USA is becoming like communist China

[@white_genocide2050]

Meanwhile in palenstine

[@winning3329]

Mailz

[@allenbennett5671]

Evil has been here, demons are just going to manifest more. In every work of sin will and is normal. Jesus is coming back. The world will get worse and the church is going to become more glorious until he comes.

[@markhecker3221]

Mayorkas needs to be held acountable for this, and needs to be ordered to do a inperson viewing during her autopsy so he can see for himself what risks he has put every america person at

[@BilldoeTruth]

Mayorkasatanic NYC 😢

[@petesmith6434]

Mayorkas, Biden, Harris, Schumer, and every leftist Democrat…and all the leftist media, they are all guilty!

[@xdsclubgold123]

Trump deported him, this lawless administration let him back in to do this heinous murder. Insanity my ass. I'm just nauseated

[@karencallahan-qm9pb]

Maybe DJT "let him in"...they don't know when he came back.

[@deugeneb1698]

Yes they do know he came back in 2018. Google it​@@karencallahan-qm9pb

[@Grav3s07]

Do you know you're insane 😂

[@ouranhshc100]

Guy was deported in 2018 and somehow snuck back in 2023. Other news reports have been reporting on it.

[@Nancybabt]

​@@randallwinters7387I will always love Trump.

[@johndelorie3362]

Governor should be charged

[@bobby3914]

Mayor also

[@IcerinAlaska49]

The mayor can stop the sanctuary laws any time and also has the authority to change the laws. This is more on him, having charge of the city, and that he could have changed this at any time.

[@Tracyl63videos]

Absolutely

[@Loopylocokiller]

Kamala too

[@Unknown-m7u]

What if they were republican? Would you still want them charged, and for a surprise random attack?

[@TwstedTV]

No one helped her, no one took their jacket to try to smother the flames. Everyone just stood there watching. Anyone with some common sense would know that if you take a jacket or something like it and cover the lady, so the flames died out, she could have lived. But no, no one did anything but watcher her, even the cops who are supposed to be first responders did nothing. That lady died when she shouldn't have.

[@ClaudiaRoncevic]

And people standing right in front with their phones fillming! Honestly disgraceful

[@fetching-s3q]

I agree.

[@karensback]

No-one wants to be another Chauvin and Penny.

[@sharonodonnell2147]

Let's lay the blame on the monster .

[@christac1526]

You obviously don't live in New york City. One opens their mouth or get involved here you can pretty much assume someone will punch you or stick a knife in you or shove you infront of a train. THAT is why people "mind their own business". And watch or walk away. Now after what Penny had to go trough- getting his life and finances destroyed. Who would bother getting involced ??. Very rarley one sees any cops walk around. This is not a small town. This is a DAILY violent town. Go where you have to go, do what you have do and mind your own business or you WILL become a daily statistic in some newspaper.

[@just_peachy77]

Yes, everyone could have done something. The cops too. This is just terrible.

[@sazure2]

What? The minute she breathed in ONE breath of hot smoke and maybe fire - it was TOO Late. Lungs damaged and collasped. (see my post re NYC bld fire) - MHO that said - seems in the age of smart phones (none when I lived in NYC or even the internet at the time!) and people not connecting with others. - My last few months there - a young lady crossed the street and almost got hit as she was on her phone (and walked against the light)

[@Thunderbyrd.]

After Mr Penny was arrested for murder no one is willing to help anyone anymore for fear of being arrested. NYC is backwards. Squatters get the house and the homeowners get arrested. A robber shoots at a store owner and the store owner shoots back in self defense and the store owner is arrested.

[@styletokyo9888]

Probably nothing the non law enforcement bystanders could do. If you don’t have a fire extinguisher or a blanket or some sort of way to put the fire out what could you do. You could call out to her and tell her to stop drop and roll of course, but there’s always a threat of you becoming the next victim if you get involved.

[@swimlaps1]

@@sazure2 Dont assume. Ppl could have helped immed try to smother the fire.

[@AdamMM-hq3gv]

Alvin Bragg probably would have stopped them from helping.

[@idontcare2526]

The last guy to prevent something on a subway got charged with murder so no one wants to help anymore

[@makerKID5]

bingo

[@npguru]

He also went free. The person he killed asked for food, he wasn't a murderer!!!!

[@tomcook2040]

Pretty weird how this isn't what every comment is saying

[@Skitdora2010]

@@npguru Person who died later in hospital said he was ready to die. Careful what you ask for.

[@brandonboi9465]

​@npguru Why did all of the other witnesses say he was threatening people and then threatened to kill a pregnant woman. 40 odd something arrests. Multiple assaults upon women and the elderly. Ya, sounds like an angel to me.

[@doghouse416]

How did NOBODY snuff out that fire and lower that poor woman to the ground, and comfort her while medics arrived,.....how did NOBODY do this....what is happening to us that we can watch another human burn to death while standing up....10 people laughing and commenting in the background? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN!!!!?? WTF have we become???

[@melmerk12]

Evil at its finest

[@janetrogers4738]

A Marine helped save people and was criminally charged.

[@sonicleaves]

Nihilism

[@bills6093]

The police might arrest you for intervening before, and lawyers might sue you for intervening after.

[@doghouse416]

@@bills6093 I don't care...how can anybody live with themselves after not intervening???....she was standing there...alive.. BURNING TO DEATH....there was time to save her, to show compassion to another human being....I fear that we are heading down a road that we should not have.

[@Panchocastillo420]

Im a Marine veteran. I would have done something and gone to jail for it. Semper Fi

[@Maxwell68-x6n]

Im a woman No one person even thought of smothering the flames.😢

[@musicman3641]

Thank You For Your Service To Our Great Nation. 🙏🏻🇺🇸😀

[@TrishPenland723]

​@@musicman3641Thank you for your service and being a great person! Merry Christmas!

[@Lily-ld7fn]

Thankyou Sir xxxxx

[@Sarcasmarkus]

❤

[@sandrasgotgame]

Yes of course bystanders could have , the cop passing maybe ??????

[@BobChippewa]

Remember Penny who stepped in?

[@barryfleming8488]

He was waiting for backup. Officer safety you know.

[@oppai1567]

yea cause the cop can shoot water out of his hands LOL

[@user-ik4br3nk2w]

Remember Rittenhouse who stepped in?

[@jjhaya]

Is there a fire extinguisher in the car or nearby? What would happen if a bigger fire broke out in the Subway; would anyone be able to stop it?

[@rickhunt3183]

Bystanders are not going to help you, but they will video your death, so you have that going for you. learn to protect yourself, because no one will help you but you.

[@Mayamax3]

True dat.

[@soniap9612]

That's for sure people don't care they don't like to get involved! Sickening

[@MshAhmxiO1]

Securing the border would definitely make a HUGE difference (hope this comment doesn't get removed like the previous).

[@Debthouse]

Definitely! As would _not_ prosecuting bystanders when they step in to intervene and protect their fellow passengers on the subway.

[@seaflwrr]

💯💯💯👏👏👏

[@marijarandelovic8455]

Agree

[@NeoSoulCrew]

Thanks Alvin Bragg

[@Debthouse]

The person who effectively destroyed the community spirit of New Yorkers and the empathy they had for one another.

[@BilldoeTruth]

Bodegabmoninationasty NYC 😢

[@adelitabriano4423]

Funny how these leaders are hiding or running away to avoid being questioned about the heinous crimes on their citizens.

[@aiccorp6001]

You can see evil in his eyes.

[@LJ-ln3js]

He's got those dead shark eyes. Evil incarnate. RIP to that poor victim. Bless her and her family. 😢

[@TheLighthouse23]

As per this system he was fine enough to be out on the streets

[@Jjonathanhart]

That guy looks like he's got lots of anger. You can see it written clearly on his face.

[@BigJim-wj4xr]

He is angry because he got caught. Remember... he came to America for a " better life ".

[@carolinarena3868]

Yeah, he looks angry

[@ForestNinjaZero]

That's the look of evil, and you should never forget it. Be sure to read his expression as precisely as possible, and don't ever invite those types into your space.

[@sallyvella7012]

Why would they because they would be charged with murder like Daniel Penny was. NY will never have a bystander do a third-party intervention every again after that waste of taxpayers' money and let thieves rob stores of millions of products and money.

[@tmhamer3086]

I just commented something very similar!! Exactly!! Why would anyone help when less than a month ago Alvin Bragg was trying to imprison Daniel Penny for protecting people on the subway!!

[@Y-xe5om]

Wow, that's an extremely bad comparison. This poor woman was on fire. I think not helping her is inhumane.

[@tommymyers3183]

🎯

[@Debthouse]

In NYC, when bystanders step up to help, suddenly they become the suspect and the initial aggressor transforms from criminal into victim, perpetrator to martyr, a trouble-maker to a completely innocent defenseless example of how we, society, failed to protect the less fortunate. When bystanders step up to protect one another some interest groups hear that dogwhistle and without any cause scream "discrimination!" and label it a hate crime. DA Alvin Bragg effectively made the endangered population of Good Samaritans completely extinct. The likelihood of a Good Samaritan sighting in NYC is now going to be as likely as a sighting of a dodo bird or a dinosaur. Well done, Alvin Bragg!

[@jonathjoeee]

daniel penny was found not guilty

[@Alpine_Forensics_Locating]

You can't defend innocent women, or you're going to be put up on trial with $100,000 in attorney's fees and the threat of life in prison.

[@fetching-s3q]

And yet...I still would defend an innocent person regardless of the consequences.

[@Alpine_Forensics_Locating]

@fetching-s3q well the majority don't feel that way and that's why you're going to see a lot of crimes with people doing nothing. Unless you've been living in a cave and you haven't seen the case where the black guy was threatening people and he was brought in a chokehold and died.

[@TheBmco99]

Maybe more $$

[@randyross5630]

You are Right, You Cannot Put a Fire Out on Someone or you Get Murder Charges, ha ha! You are So Funny... I am So Amused... You understand what Sarcasm is Right? Dude! I was Trained under an Asian Master, an Aikido Master, but mostly with his Son doing MMA Starting at UFC 7, and the 1st thing I learned was How Dangerous Chokes are and too never Choke Someone Out all the Way! The Public has to know how Deadly what you see on TV is, considering if you have been following along allot of People have Gone Down by Chokes, and than they get a Free Pass throwing their Hands Up like I never Thought that was Going to Happen... My Brother in a Steroid Rage, No Knowledge to me we even had a Problem, I was Attacked from behind and Choked to Clinically Dead, and he got away with Playing Stupid, although he trained with the Same Asian Master I did...

[@flowermage7299]

@@Alpine_Forensics_Locating It was proven that the choke hold didn't kill him, it was all the illegal drugs in his system that caused his death.

[@JoyceJones-l5g]

This person had to be demonic to do something like this!!

[@HappyWolverine]

repugnant NYC should be ashamed of itself

[@CAIN_STAR]

America should be ashamed for destroying itself.

[@superlativeamvs8637]

The last person who tried to save others on a subway was Daniel Penny, who the state tried to prosecute as a murderer. Why would anyone help if they’re just going to be criminally prosecuted for doing something?

[@soniap9612]

Stop making excuses !! We all have to help each other !!

[@ZionHeiress]

He did murder a man. A marine knows when to let go in a chokehold before killing someone. He got away in 3D earth but he still will have to answer to the spiritual world.

[@michaelmunro8147]

An accelerant was most certainly used. SAD!!!

[@swimlaps1]

Agree- fire spread so fast & if she wore polyester (in everything)

[@万恶共匪毒害中华]

I was wondering how a cigarette lighter could caused all this!

[@kenfuller7374]

Has Biden pardoned him yet?

[@whaleoilbeefhooked907]

😂😂😂😂

[@Nancybabt]

Let's thank God that scamala didn't win!!! Trump 🎉🎉🎉

[@Debthouse]

I think the suspect has to be released on bond a few times so he can repeat the offense enough times to qualify as a serial offender. Bonus points if the victims are children and/or if narcotics are involved.

[@DialloMoore503]

Pushing your political propaganda on every tragedy is diabolical. You people will never get what you want, and that makes me happy.

[@RidiPwn]

they persecute helpers, unfortunately this is how it is

[@markclippendara]

NYC will prosecute you if you try to help out innocent bystanders on public transportation.

[@soniap9612]

Excuses! Excuses!Excuses!!!

[@Thunder_Paul]

My dad who is ex-army visited NYC in the 1970's and he witnessed multiple incidents while NYC citizens walked by not even looking at robberies and assaults. Nothing new there.

[@shadowboxer3583]

It's not the 70s though. My Dad was held at knife point twice in NY in the 70s and robbed. That was normal at that time. Do you want a return to that???

[@marijarandelovic8455]

​@@shadowboxer3583what are you talking about this ny is worse now then the 1970 when people burn in the subway 2024

[@joekev27]

No one wants to be the next Daniel Penny.

[@Debthouse]

DA Alvin Bragg did not make it a very alluring experience.

[@AdamMM-hq3gv]

​@@DebthouseDon't forget about the biased judge trying to manipulate the jury to get a conviction

[@guesswhosbackg6616]

cowards

[@ROCKETMANRAW]

Bystanders were pure cowards. NYC holds another L!

[@soniap9612]

Agreed so disgusting !

[@dianajennings7767]

why are there no fire extinguishers on subways??

[@Debthouse]

There are, but if a civilian tries to intervene in a conflict on the subway, there is a high chance they could get criminally charged by the district attorney and branded as a bigot or predator by interest groups. Not many individuals want to take that risk, so they now leave it up to authorities to sort it out. Bystanders do not get any grace or protected liability.

[@DeadLikeMe-ir9ix]

New York needs a complete overhaul of the justice and political system. Only the innocent are considered criminals.

[@dianajennings7767]

@@JC-kv1vn someone would break the glass?

[@dianajennings7767]

@@Debthouse that is ridiculous

[@Debthouse]

@@dianajennings7767 I agree. I hope this message gets back to the district attorney's office.

[@robbanks2203]

That's no excuse for anyone to stand around and not help a burning woman! Don't use the Penny case to excuse people for not helping this woman.

[@infinitedreaming222]

They are using this as an accuse. Black women in particular have been verbally and physically assaulted without anyone stepping in for decades…. Now that one is on fire people are using penny as an excuse.

[@WillieSlackmer]

Totally agree, most of the people using that excuse wouldn’t have done shit anyway. More likely to whip out their phones to record than try to assist her. No one is talking about subduing the guy, but helping an innocent who was on fire. Don’t use Penny as an excuse.

[@lovejunkie6078]

The woman was ON FIRE. Like fully enflamed. Most ppl don’t know what to do and to be honest, she was SO on fire that it could endanger whoever tried to help. And what were ppl gonna smother her with? I know this sounds awful but if someone took their coat off to smother, it would be ruined. A lot of ppl can’t afford to buy a new heavy duty winter coat. NY has freezing winters. I’m in Canada n just a couple hours from NY n a good coat costs at least $300. Im just saying, there could have been a lot of reasons ppl didn’t help. I’m sure this all happened fairly quickly too.. not a whole lot of time to do anything. AND cops were in scene. I would assume everyone thought the cops had it handled 🤷‍♀️

[@Debthouse]

How can they overlook the Daniel Penny case? Alvin Bragg effectively destroyed most, if not all, motivation to follow the phrase commonly preached to the public: if you see something, say something (or do something). Your sentiment essentially tells people, "you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't." At least if you don't do anything you are not at risk of being branded a bigot and the perpetrator of a hate crime. People are more likely going to choose being branded as anonymous assholes because at least your identity is protected and your dignity is preserved. Daniel Penny is not an excuse, he is an example of how law enforcement can manipulate your genuinely good intentions into something nefarious.

[@Debthouse]

@@infinitedreaming222 Daniel Penny was literally protecting black women amongst other identities from Jordan Neely who was behaving aggressively towards them.

[@Espoboogie]

That's the thing. Nobody wants to get involve. It will literately ruin your life by simply helping.

[@whaleoilbeefhooked907]

I do hear you however I wouldn’t be able to help myself.

[@Debthouse]

The audacity of expecting anyone else to get involved must be based in the belief that either the public does not follow current events and/or has collective short--term amnesia.

[@Jackson9612.]

Excuses, humanity continues to die as we stray further and further away from kindness. This poor woman, RIP.

[@Debthouse]

@@Jackson9612. It is tragic. She did absolutely nothing to deserve that. However, her unfortunate demise is the result of a perverted depraved individual who does not value human life and has no regard for the rules of society. Her violent painful torturous victimization was not a result of society's lack of kindness. It is really unfair to place blame on others who were not equipped, prepared, or hired to handle this type of unforeseen situation. Your disdain is misdirected.

[@lilwintery6434]

That has nothing to do with this, most people don't follow news or current events, this happened in 1964 to Kitty Genevese. I'm sure there are more cases you can look into where people did nothing to help. Also putting out a fire is not the same as strangling someone.

[@dicdicd1767]

The cop could have taken one of fire extinguishers that are in the subway car. They know where they are located! He could have asked the jacket of something and use it as a blanket.

[@just_peachy77]

@@dicdicd1767 Yes!! 💯💯💯

[@or6913]

Could he have gotten into the subway car though if it was engulfed by flames and smoke? I'm not trying to be combative, but wondering if that would even be feasible without him becoming engulfed as well.

[@LatinBoy605]

The question they should be asking is why the NYPD dude didn't help the victim put out the fire; he just calmly walked away from her. SMH.

[@EMT_Rick]

Why should cops care about a homeless woman on a subway? We got rid of all the hardcore Rudy Giuliani stop and frisk guys and replaced them with polite and culturally sensitive police that beg and plead with perps rather than just handling business. This is what we asked for, this is what we got.

[@icu4life240]

​@@EMT_RickStop and frisk has nothing to do with the police doing what's right.

[@tribuneofmercy6184]

Look at what you did to Daniel Penny. Why would anyone step in with Bragg still there?

[@Debthouse]

Exactly. He is salivating for innocent people to step up so he can knock them down and drag them through the mud. He must get off on it.

[@shadowboxer3583]

Are you serious? That would not stop me, she was burning right in front of people dude!

[@VeraxMusic]

But how could you get in trouble for trying to put out a fire?

[@tribuneofmercy6184]

@@VeraxMusic By trying to stop the guy lighting the fire!!!!!? WTF dude?

[@jacovovazquezsantos5545]

Stop using this poor lady's suffering for your own agenda! It's not the same situation, and you know it

[@KyleIams]

The cop that walked by needs to be assessor to the crime for doing nothing

[@markprange2430]

accessory

[@goodpainlive]

Where is the terrorism charge?

[@Leroy-df3ee]

You don't understand the charge. Not surprising.

[@goodpainlive1]

@@Leroy-df3eeI do. Your mom explained it to me.

[@Di_777]

Doesn't apply to him since the victim wasn't a CEO.

[@seenamoon5804]

I ask the very same question. This is insanity.

[@sidali2590]

Shame on these cowards they allowed her to burn to death

[@sphenoidjjj]

Honestly what could somebody do if they don't have a fire extinguisher. You are talking about extreme heat here. Waving a jumper or sweater is not going to put the fire out.

[@soniap9612]

Yes !that's what they did !!!!

[@fetching-s3q]

This act could have been prevented quite possibly. The death of the victim DEFINITELY could have been prevented and harm could have been reduced if bystanders reacted.

[@fetching-s3q]

There is no excuse for the lack of action.

[@malin7919]

Remember Daniel Penny?

[@Paige0908]

Bystanders should never intervene…that’s how you get killed, hurt or charged with a crime…you have to look out for yourself…

[@just_peachy77]

💯💯💯

[@Debthouse]

When the DA is eager to file criminal charges against bystanders when they intervene and then put them on trial that could result in a lengthy prison sentence, that "if" is going to have an extremely decreased likelihood of becoming a "when." Being a Good Samaritan apparently comes with a high probability of being labeled as the perpetrator, and depending on the individuals involved, a bigot.

[@tommymyers3183]

Charging Daniel Penny changed everything.

[@shadowboxer3583]

How is putting out a fire on a victim the same as strangling a violent man?

[@henrysantos7160]

This was absolutely heartbreaking,

[@alfredindy8058]

Why Daniel Penny case? What happened in 1964 to Kitty Genevese in Queens? People studied that case. This effect is nothing knew.

[@seemsgood85]

Absolutely, the "Bystander Effect". Multiple people witnessed her murder and NO ONE called the cops. They all said later they figured someone else had already called. So sad. Now after what happened with Penny, people are afraid of intervening. I think we should always try to help and the DA Bragg & Governor need to resign immediately.

[@SeekerNJWC]

This horrific incident IMMEDIATELY reminded me of Kitty Genevese. The story was part of an English class I was in in the 1970s. I instilled the mantra in my brain: "never again a Kitty Genovese" if I'm in a situation were I can help my fellow "man". Daniel Penny has that mindset. Hopefully his act of courage has inspired others to act in kind.

[@christopher3790]

1964 people didn't wanna get involved for fear of getting in harm's way. It's 2024 and not only is that possible, but the DA is going to charge you with a crime too. So yes there is a Daniel Penny effect that is unique to this time.

[@alfredindy8058]

@@christopher3790 Wrong! I saw an influencer interviewing people on the street about the Penny case and they pretty much could care less. I have lived in NYC and ridden the subway all hours of the day and night, the majority ignore and flee such events. You have maybe max. two people of every train who would get involved. That Penny case had no weapons, the guy threatened (I guess) but did not swing on anybody, so it was pretty easy to subdue the guy causing problems. That was an easy chokehold when the person applying it was taller than the person being choked. There is no comparison to someone burning someone verses the Penny case, where no weapon was displayed.

[@alfredindy8058]

@@SeekerNJWC I am glad that you remember the Kitty Genevese case. It was really pushed back in the 70s.

[@GrowingUpMixed]

Drunk lol 😂 yeah he watched then fanned the flames!! Plus he stood slowly pouring booze on her to not wake her then light it. He is a pyromaniac serial killer his face during it y calmness shows not his 1st time!!!

[@GlenW69]

And notice when he's waving the tattered rags at the burning 'woman' (edna cintron...), it doesn't affect the flames whatsoever, I call total BS on this fake layered cgi mixture video... and fake crisis acting event. You have no proof she poured booze on the alleged 'victim'. There is no evidence of him lighting the 'woman' on 'fire', because it doesn't exist, that's why they will never release the train car surveillance footage...

[@MusicLover-dt7ic]

Yes, absolutely no excuse...they are complict in this crime.

[@1922BluePhoenix]

no they are not

[@maxstone6953]

The better question is , could our government have prevented NYC fire death? The answer is yes, absolutely yes.

[@susancohen8009]

Yes, Absolutely, let's hold them Accountable!!!!

[@pippalewisNYC]

I desperately want Eric Adams out of office. This city needs a better mayor. Him and his entire administration - OUT.

[@michaelwojcicki3624]

This crime was lethal because a "take charge" person was not on site. Every person on the subway had an overcoat to smother the flames.

[@kit.e6864]

no fire extinguisher anywhere on the train?

[@joygormandy2769]

No one even tried 😢

[@lenoredavi6137]

I was caught on fire once, In my panic, I remembered to drop and roll. It put out the fire. Couldn't someone have tried to tell her/ instruct her in what to do? My clothes were burned and melted, my hair, eyelashes, brows, burned... but l survived. She didn't. This is so sad. She was asleep, then woke up on fire, and nobody helped her.... I guess she was in shock to wake up on fire? 😢😢 I don't know what to say... There's no way that l could just stand there and not try to do something.

[@soniap9612]

And that's because you care about others !!

[@officialduckburgartgallery1811]

The fact that the police did absolutely nothing and didn’t even act surprised tells me there is something not right about this

[@ThomasMullaly-do9lz]

Nobody wants to be charged for doing the right thing.

[@soniap9612]

Stop making excuses !

[@ericolsen4636]

When will identity of victim released???

[@rileyluther8083]

Amelia Carter, I’ve seen reports of her being 20 years old and some of her being 29. Obviously either way it’s a heinous crime 😔

[@edgychico9311]

The bystanders are completely useless people and never helped someone whose in danger.

[@dennisbudd8102]

I;m guessing you never heard of Dennis Penny. Perhaps you should do a google search.

[@Pav9001]

@@dennisbudd8102 Daniel Penny, but you are exactly correct! Help and then get charged with a crime, nobody wants that

[@arjunkc3227]

@@Pav9001america is going towards third world countries now. In India if you help or touch victim you are deemed the main criminal rather than the one who perpetrate it. Even if somebody robs your house if you kill robber you get charged for murder. This is insane

[@PhillipFelix-kw3zi]

Is it me or does anyone else want to build a wall around NYC?

[@eishawave3934]

They are all cowards

[@rockybalboa4035]

Not one person including the cops even tried to help her! You don't need a blanket, just your coat or something. How disgraceful

[@robertrankin-lv6iv]

Mr Penny tried to help and ended up nearly getting the jail.

[@DialloMoore503]

Apples and oranges. Two different scenarios.

[@YaYa-ke1zr]

Mr Penny’s situation wasn’t allowed to escalate to physical harm or death for any of the innocent passengers… because he jumped in. Unfortunately for this burn victim, nobody jumped in. So death of an innocent passenger was the result. The situations are not completely unrelated.

[@soniap9612]

Stop making excuses !

[@allisonwilliams2535]

Where is Mayor Adams for this one? Why is this animal in this country?

[@vee1072]

He's too busy keeping his eyes on Luigi.

[@michellenainkristinabusch1221]

Don't insult Animals like that.

[@robertsaliceti2122]

Ask joe biden

[@andrewtanczyk4009]

If any bystander came to her defense would Alvin Bragg have charged the Good Samaritan?

[@jacksoncole6672]

Bystanders were not afraid. They just did not care.

[@fmj_556]

Don’t expect anyone to help you. You can only rely on yourself.

[@superpositional-c3u]

Guy in Toronto Canada did the same thing 2 years ago and got off with insanity.

[@c.f.okonta8815]

Damn what a tragedy

[@dwaynepiper3261]

If I am thinking of the same one that was targeted and not a random attack. Correct me if wrong.

[@superpositional-c3u]

@@dwaynepiper3261 the one in toronto was killed because she told him she was Tibetan. The current one was killed for an unknown reason. She stood there as the fire was burning up her body instead of rolling around on the ground which would have stopped the fire. I think the police who watched thought maybe it was a suicide. Because why would you stand there like a tree and burn up and not hit the ground and roll.

[@dwaynepiper3261]

@@superpositional-c3u My guess is she was in a state of shock or just waking up and the mind takes a minute to get orientated. The one I was thinking may not have been toronto he lit her hair and they had been some relationship.

[@superpositional-c3u]

@@dwaynepiper3261 moral of story I guess is to stay away from clothing which burns easily.

[@PAVEL-JAKL]

So he walken with 2 police but Luigi walk with half NYPD also mayor of NY and more..🙄

[@4TheRecord]

You can NOT blame bystanders for this. If you want bystanders to step in and help then you must allow them to carry a gun and use it on anyone who is a threat. But guns are illegal in New York City so don't expect anyone to put their life at risk for another when they don't have the tools to deal with such a situation.

[@DialloMoore503]

Guns are not illegal in NY state. What took place afterwards is what’s being discussed. Not before.

[@soniap9612]

Wow !!!!

[@amelianewton5340]

We know why the victim's name and face aren't shown on the media.

[@johannawigg6921]

?

[@mirandaaldrich9616]

White?

[@hughbetcha436]

Amelia Carter RIP

[@GlenW69]

Because there is no victim, crisis acting video and 'event'...

[@Debthouse]

That only comes if the victim is of a certain tax bracket or protected racial/religious group. If the victim cannot be used for political fodder or to incite public outrage, their identity is inconsequential, apparently.

[@yatogamithe2nd783]

Decent People YES. NEW YORKERS ??? NOPE

[@RobertFach]

Yes, he's clearly not a 15 yr old girl who murdered a child and a teacher. Ignore those crimes, folks. It doesn't fit your agenda.

[@sonicleaves]

Which case are you referencing?

[@nickrapitis4896]

Bystanders? Who is this cop that turned his back.

[@Ballerzj]

To live in a shelter u need an id so how didnt he get flagged for being a deportee ?

[@FLEXDTV]

Bullying is not cool and murder is not cool too.

[@lylekru2208]

That Mayor is a disaster. Where is his outrage about this crime?

[@toothlessseer3153]

Why would anyone try to stop this? _We all saw what happened to that marine a few weeks ago._

[@kLaknFXIOLI73acvSSWurw]

And the Mayor walks free spreading politics??? He should resign

[@streetlegalsprintcar]

Close America Protect Americans This is our country. These are our people dying

[@LadySingsTheBooze]

pay attention, because THIS is the crime you attach a terrorism charge to, not what luigi did. this ticks EVERY BOX.

[@johnharris3335]

Bystanders were cowards! Cops were cowards! This was someone’s daughter and these people allowed this momstwr to kill her in broad daylight

[@spaghettiman600]

With all the woke BS going on, anyone who helped that woman would have been called a racist. Did ya forget about Mr. Penny that fast?

[@Debthouse]

Apparently, it's a hate crime if you help, it's a hate crime if you don't help, and if you Jussie Smollett a hate crime (report one that you staged yourself) it's no problem because you just need to make a ridiculous deal with a corrupt DA and then you will never have to face consequences even if a special investigation and jury finds you guilty and a judge sentences you to serve jail time because "double jeopardy" or some such legal technicality that protects criminals.

[@westernpigeon]

short answer: NO! the train was at the last/first stop (coney island) and it was completely empty with only the woman sleeping and the man who set her on fire. it was also 7:30am. if you live in NYC then you know no one could’ve stopped him from doing that except for the lady herself if she was awake.

[@deesea-i5e]

Exactly 7:30 am Sunday morning last stop at Coney island in the winter hardly anyone is around!! Unfortunately, he probably knew that, and that is why he took the opportunity to do it.

[@melmerk12]

There were certainly people videotaping it!

[@vee1072]

I saw a video were there were other people who ran out of the train screaming.

[@keepithonest4626]

The bystanders are accountable to

[@soniap9612]

Absolutely !!!

[@KRistyrose978]

Why are we downplaying the fact that this woman was on fire and such large fire that they didn’t even realize a person was in there at first? There was apparently no fire extinguisher on the scene, but someone had gone to find one, but how else are you going to help without a fire extinguisher without water, without setting yourself on fire or hurting this woman worse or getting yourself set on fire by the creep who did it? Like how would you help someone like this? obviously her skin and nerves have been burned where she couldn’t move by the time people realized she was there? What would be the right thing to do without making this situation 10 times more gory and traumatic?

[@juliav.mcclelland2415]

Why ask that? Trying to help would just get you criminal charges. New Yorkers have been thoroughly instructed they are not allowed to intervene when someone gets violent on the subway. They're not allowed to do anything.

[@ohkay7418]

The last person that defended subway goers got charged with murder f.

[@davidbowman6239]

He's not drunk and he knows what he's doing.

[@namastewellness]

He was calm af the entire cookout.

[@davidbowman6239]

@namastewellness Yup and he didn't give an ounce of care in the world

[@LawrenceTucker-xb4oo]

Everybody wants to get sh** on camera now instead of helping.

[@edwardoalvarez5566]

THIS GUY NEEDS TO BE SENTENCE TO LIFE.

[@oxemediaTV]

This is insane bro

[@matthewaguinaga8970]

Some guy almost got life in prison for trying to help a crowd of people on the subway. And you want someone to help.lol

[@MrBKuv]

Daniel Penny tried to save people and his life was destroyed.

[@soniap9612]

Wow so dramatic! He's free now !🙄

[@jeannecastellano7181]

No one expects an atrocity like this. People aren't carrying blankets or fire extinguishers on them. Most witnesses were probably too stunned to respond in time.

[@Limelite585]

Self-defense is not allowed and you’re not allowed to help nobody you could face charges yourself

[@DS-nv8bi]

there was nothing anyone could do. no one saw him as he did it when the train was empty. as she stands there she is already dead. ask a combat vet or a fire chief what happens when a human head is in flames.

[@GregHaibon-h3t]

Daniel Penny would have stopped him. Then they would have prosecuted Penny.

[@edwardwong654]

Everyone is wondering, why was the woman standing up still when she was burning? It just doesn't make sense.

[@Maiden...24FM]

you saying he dint set her on fire or something

[@Silencedogood-r6l]

She was out of her senses, like you would be

[@soniap9612]

​@Silencedogoodand in state of panic she was asleep for God's Sake !!!

[@Silencedogood-r6l]

What do you think *I* meant? Out of her senses because of the panic from waking up that way! The fact that she died on the spot tells us how horrific it was.

[@cybertwins2012]

This will never end.

[@techshabby0001]

So now it's the passengers' fault?