Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar | Lex Fridman Podcast

[@lexfridman]

Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Linode: linode.com/lex to get $100 free credit - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex and use code Lex25 to get 25% off - Onnit: lexfridman.com/onnit to get up to 10% off - ROKA: roka.com/ and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit 0:55 - Zero-day vulnerability 6:56 - History of hackers 21:48 - Interviewing hackers 25:50 - Ransomware attack 38:34 - Cyberwar 51:42 - Cybersecurity 1:00:49 - Social engineering 1:17:42 - Snowden and whistleblowers 1:27:12 - NSA 1:36:59 - Fear for cyberattacks 1:44:30 - Self-censorship 1:48:51 - Advice for young people 1:54:08 - Hope for the future

[@maxbrudvig1874]

Excited for this one. Cheers

[@HailNihilism]

So far amazing episode. I'd love to see someone from the army's psychological operations unit. There is a fascinating history of psyops used during wartime would love to see a discussion on this. I think lex would find it very interesting too.

[@LegendsHasIt]

Hello

[@ohms497]

Lecture time. Almost finished with CYBERSECURITY for Dummies.

[@MrSpastushenko]

;)

[@prodicy_]

Really great to see cyber security on the channel. Would love to see more netsec

[@chiaroscural]

Seconded

[@Ajaxx47]

I 2nd this. I have a degree in netsec but it’s been years since I’ve done anything involving it and this relit that fire for me

[@venus334]

Yess. I was so surprised

[@loumachines9206]

I got mentally abused for so long I had to develop my own defense mechanism to be able to pretend hide my pain n hurt I lost it all I wanted to commit suicide more then a few times but just a couple of days I was able to let it go and focus on my daughter. Single dad and now grammpa that’s my story. I’m a proud citizen I’m a patriot by the court that is Me I love the land and faith in it. Let’s just said I wish there was more people communicating That words without fax just by the power of the mind I believe that’s what your language was just a lack of minds in that way. Anyways thank you love the show

[@nivrat6708]

She lost me when she said private bitcoin wallets can be hacked (pretty sure it was taken from an exchange) and showed support for the Russiagate “whistleblower” who doesn’t meet the definition of a whistleblower. She is a hack. Keeps saying “0 day” over and over, does not sound like an expert at all.

[@pabis6817]

I’m glad I didn’t skip this one. What a gem

[@hahtos]

A champion arm wrestler yesterday, cyber security today....you are crushing it Lex!

[@questionmark9713]

Her views on snowden tells all about her ... SNOWDEN is a HERO and deserves his own interview on this channel. she is so disrespectful and lives in a bubble and the way she tries to defend the wrongdoings of america is crazy and insulting. does she really think we're that stupid? holy shit!

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Totally agree. He and all whistleblowers are heros. Our money and corporation centric culture has slowly and steadily morphed whistleblowers into bad guys. She blames the next 911 on Ed already? NO ONE was killed or injured from Ed's revealations.....no one...... despite the govt's effort to make you think otherwise.

[@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692]

FREE SNOWDEN NOW!

[@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692]

YES, FREE SNOWDEN NOW!

[@compassioncampaigner728]

@@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692 Y E S !

[@granand]

She is Govt agent...

[@S1LLY_C0ST4_L0V3R]

Lol didn't expect her to shill so hard for the NSA. But then again she works for the NYT

[@jameswestley5643]

I'd like this comment. But the fact it's at 69 pleases me too much.

[@theebonymaw]

right! she speaks at length about how foreign governments use the exploits for nefarious purposes but doesn't seem to extend that same suspicion to our government. yeah, the defense department hired those hacker companies to "protect their systems", alright... lol

[@lyralong]

She sees Obama good, orange man bad!

[@jakedill1304]

Yhea there seems to be a bit of a distance between governments doing, and having the ability, and infrastructure to do the things... vs what those governments end up doing with it... In reality it seems those two things are rarely disconnected... Like, she's not wrong, sure we (as far as I know) don't set up political prisoners as organ farms, or MJ Fox around with radio active tea for journalists we don't like... but we seem to be ok with selling and doing business with both, and the reality is that where the line is between when a government starts crossing lines, and where the line was they crossed 5 years ago is variable but usually a one way direction, People don't walk back power that they have... and the whole reason we have checks and balances in our system of government is to attempt to recognize that it needs to be that way to keep that line as hard to cross as possible... the further you are, the more ability and structure and cultural acceptance you have with the thing, and the cognitive dissidence that you use to get everyone there... would really suck if you just happen to wanna use it for some extra cash on the organ market, or really didn't like that joke they made about you at the Post... 'Cause were not like that' and 'we don't do that' is a bad excuse and it's kinda nuts to see her validate that very notion several times.

[@codeeater0]

And Lex isn’t a shill?

[@brandon1113]

I listened to this podcast on my way home from work, heavily enjoyed it and learned a lot as well as gained a better insight into the environment. Sorry to hear about your files due to the ransomware, that for some reason in particular peaked my interest to learn more about the deadbolt ransomware and in doing so found that my same Asuster NAS system has recently had the same attack. I recently moved so it is currently unplugged and sitting in a box but I was planning to set it up this weekend and wanted give my condolences and also thanks for preventing an attack by talking about it. Also thank you for all the podcasts, not enough words to describe the amount you do and the impact you make onto people like myself, many thanks.

[@henrymach]

"We don't do those things" she said while choosing to not mention Guantanamo

[@etiennedegaulle3817]

This shill works at the New York Times, so I wouldn't expect anything different. She did a great job of discussing cybersecurity while absolutely ignoring the shit that the US security apparatus does both internationally and domestically.

[@Teal_Seal]

@@yes-vy6bn ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[@iAnon666]

@@yes-vy6bn oh lord. if by unintentional trespass you mean jan 6. take that somewhere else.

[@HANUMAN7454]

@@iAnon666 Some of those ppl who where rubes that literally just walked around aimlessly after bein waved in by police on camera been In solitary confinement for hella long. Not to mention the obvious amount of glowies involved in that whole rediculous carnival. Even the fbi admitted there was no planned insurrection. Nada.

[@user-dj6oi5hw3m]

i had to shout it at the screen ffs

[@KevinWillis2]

She's a very articulate and knowledgeable person. I loved this way more than I was hoping for and learned a lot. Thanks!!!

[@ht2007]

😂😂😂

[@roughsteve3653]

As a Canadian, I find this podcast very interesting given the recent hack of GiveSendGo and the way that information was exploited after they refused to play ball with the Canadian government.

[@goyonman9655]

Exactly

[@mfdev9926]

Nicole's suggestion about deploying software engineers to find bugs is a really good one. I'm a computer science student at a pretty "good" university, and I found an exploit in GiveSendGo where I was automatically logged into a random user's account. I got this person's name, email, address, and other personal infos. I wasn't really in a position where I could do anything about it, but companies should make open communication channels for stuff like this.

[@BandAid350z]

@@mfdev9926 one needs to ask how many of these “exploits” are intentional back doors. Coral people to a platform, leave open doors, collect data to target enemies.

[@Aj_470]

@@BandAid350z dragnet honeypot

[@zesuma]

@@BandAid350z seems any company doing business in China is compromised

[@Teal_Seal]

I’m thankful for whistleblower Bobulinski. 10% for the Big Guy!!! 😉

[@pcprincipal1401]

As much as I enjoyed this conversation and what she had to say. It really bugs me she is saying she is a journalist on cyber security but was also someone who went full blown into the russia gate conspiracy. I wish lex would have questioned her on this topic I would have been interested in hearing what she had to say especially as more information is coming out (which many people following the topic knew for years) about the Clinton campaign actually involved in spying on the trump campaign

[@kinvert]

It made it very hard to take her seriously.

[@davegold]

I imagine that would turn off half the audience. People seem to want bias conformation and will turn off an information source if it doesn't match their bias.

[@thedooran]

Completely agree, when i hear someone buying into Russiagatehoax it makes me think they probably have an issue with being objective

[@KriegerKrieg]

The obvious partisan views on snowden as well when talking about whistleblowers.

[@oooodles3]

...all she wanted to do was "scratch the surface" with this book. And she has no opinions on how to be a whistleblower? Most boring interview ever.

[@alexkaa]

Amongst all his variety of guests, I often enjoy Lex himself most - his contemplating on 'authentic weirdness' was highly holistic. 🔥

[@cheveronLI]

The documentary Zero Days about the Natanz Nuclear facility is phenomenal at explaining how and why this is so terrifying

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@rowansavage9371]

That is a SUPERB documentary! It’s interesting how the authority to launch cyber weapons resides with the US President. The only other weapons this applies to are nuclear weapons.

[@zadekeys2194]

Lookup Citizen Four. Hope I'm rembembering it correctly.

[@Rodrigo-tk2fm]

Here on YT??

[@kofienrico2804]

That plus the cyber attack on Venezuela powerplants should have been covered a bit. They were so far the biggest hits

[@SoundsOfSushi]

This one of the most eye opening videos people need to watch. Thanks for providing it for the rest of us.

[@pizzaface8140]

This made me realize a few things, I should seriously look into coding and computer architecture because I know nothing at all about what I am using or buying or even the hidden risks of not knowing how to defend myself.

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@nelsonman1231]

in a lot of ways this discussion was like an introduction to digital purgatory

[@samsonives2710]

This comment feels like a bot lol

[@zadekeys2194]

Step 1 - backup your ur data. Check your backups. Have a plan. 2) get a PFSense firewall. 3) never enable uPnp. That is a solid, basic start. Good luck.

[@pizzaface8140]

@@burntoburn42 I’m learning Discrete Math and part of the class is to prove certain hard problems but then use LaTex so it looks like a math paper, is coding similar to LaTex?

[@Teal_Seal]

She brings some good information to the table. Enlightening and sober. But her repeated efforts to smear “the previous administration” (as if the current admin is pure) are tiresome and reveal a gaping blind spot.

[@jakedill1304]

cognitive dissidence is a helluva drug buddy... damn shame it's 3 dimensional.

[@kayakdog4884]

Yes, I thought the same thing

[@susanrosegale6646]

Your judgement, by definition, is a blind spot. That is exactly what this lurking element counts on....many reading this, watching this, share your disdain but let's face it, it's over for that tired ineffective mindset. Cyber war created you...created this remark....it won't go away because I want it to.

[@ryanwilson7543]

Love the podcast and the discussions that follow. Imo, I think Glenn Greenwald would have been a great addition to this conversation. His firsthand experience in this world could have added even more. Major respect for all of your hardwork!!

[@susanrosegale6646]

Agree, time for Glenn

[@23wtb]

Greenwald would've skewered her on Snowden and Russiagate and the Zelensky "extorition."

[@Golipillas]

Would be awesome if you got Snowden on the podcast Lex, thank you for this, without a doubt the best channel on YT right now.

[@jadenewton366]

Check out Snowden on the joe rogan podcast

[@YamWarden]

Lex, thanks for this interview! I was consistently impressed with the way this conversation flowed so nicely from point to point. It felt like y’all really worked together to flesh out ideas in a way that made it easy to listen to while not shying away from interesting anecdotes and relevant technical details. I’m sure that interviewing a skilled interviewer lends itself to this (and probably good editing - thanks y’all!), but I wanted to point it out because I feel like you sometimes sell yourself short in this regard. I know it’s important to keep the ego in check to promote the struggle for excellence, I just wanted to point out how clearly this interview illustrates the skill gap getting smaller; And coupled with the fact that it’s 2 hours long, I can honestly say I don’t know of anyone else in the game that could pull off a piece of content as interesting AND informative as this. Watching you humbly undertake your vision and never giving up has been a huge source of motivation/inspiration for me. So grateful to exist in this instance of the simulation with you!

[@johnd550]

I just activated two-step verification on my bank app. I think and act differently after what I’ve learned here. Thank you for serving humanity.

[@kgoatfj]

The moment she starts on snowden is when you see her true colors. Part of the system ...yuck

[@rootedsu8022]

That part raised my eyebrows - then when she brought up how she applauded Eric Charmello (aka he who shall not be named...or else!) for being the name on the democrats first impeachment attempt... Yep, she's one of them.

[@MrGoldenZebra]

can u explain what her view is on snow , whats her problem with that i rlly didnt understand

[@MissMal92]

Everybody has a political leaning but we just have to scoop up all the new, useful information she's offering up and trash the rest. That's life.

[@sherylnelson6094]

I agree. Snowden is a hero in my eyes. No thumbs up or down from me!

[@brandonjpj1]

My thoughts exactly

[@gregorybrennan751]

Great episode Lex. You consistently put out amazing content. Got me realizing just how poor my own OPSEC is...my ignorance on things of a technical nature is pathetic at best. Enjoyed your guest, and just had to thank you both for the ride. Journalist's take great risk when they expose things hidden in the shadows. Scary seeing how many die under murky circumstances. True journalist's risk their lives. May TRUTH shine bright in the darkest of night.

[@jonnyco97]

Lex could you create a poll where we can recommend individuals you should interview

[@lovman]

I'm finishing up Nicole's book now, and highly recommend it.

[@0xBerto]

Great conversation. As a researcher myself. This was a good start of the rabbit hole for people curious on cyber sec. Do more on hacking, defense etc

[@VertigoVenturer]

thank you lex, I loved this episode. it has pushed me even further towards doing a career change to cybersecurity.

[@NinjaofApathy]

Good to see cybersec on the channel! Also hoping to hear more about writing and authorship, whether creative writing, journalism, non-fiction etc. Thanks Lex. You're the man!

[@dbright8120]

Nicole Perlroth statement about not wanting her 3 year old to have his most significant life experience to occur online in a meta verse, gave me some hope for the future. I pray there are other people in her industry who share her view... thank you for having her on the show. Much appreciated

[@anniemal9312]

She was honest, but I also sensed some propaganda. Which makes sense. Her boss is the government.

[@debimt]

I picked that up too…disappointing because I thought she was interesting but it’s her opinion so I’ll let it go.

[@Qwickset]

Indeed....she towed the line of "Trump blackmailing Zelensky to influence an election". Strange she seems to have her thumb on the heartbeat of so much occult information in the cyber world....but still espouses this despite all that's come out since then.

[@VeniVizzleVici]

@@Qwickset Occult?

[@Qwickset]

Occult (the original definition) - not easily apprehended or understood - hidden from view

[@VeniVizzleVici]

@@Qwickset Thanks. Not the standard context I'd expect to see the word "occult" used.

[@sarahrose1665]

Sorry Lex... I'm 74yrs old and I didn't even know what was happening on this channel ... THIS IS FASCINATING... THANKS FOR BOTHERING...TRULY... It was super company while I was puzzling...👍🙋🌹3-24-22 GA USA THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[@laurenvaughn3282]

have never laughed aloud to Lex, until he did the bit about being an "Android man because I'm a man of the people". omg...still laughing

[@inkgun3993]

And with utter seriousness that was - hilarious :D

[@Iron-Bridge]

Lol yeah. With a straight face too. I'm an Android person myself too but that was gold.

[@codykenneth3167]

Android, man of the people, i do not understand this phrase, what does it really imply in comparison with iOS?

[@inkgun3993]

@@codykenneth3167 The general perception is that Android is for all, unlike iPhone which is expensive and may very well be limited only to well off people. Got to agree - there is some grain of truth in that

[@andedom]

I’m a little confused by her comments on Argentina. Her description of why it is a hub for hackers (essentially that it’s a relatively poor country) could apply to almost every third world country. And Argentina actually has a super advanced education and health care system (maybe that’s why?). Also she said that she most of the people at the hacker conference that she attended didn’t even speak Spanish. So how integrated were they into the Argentinian hacker culture?

[@jamesalec1321]

Argentina has been a great place for IBM and HP to send jobs to, jobs that Americans once held. I worked for IBM at Avaya as a server and network administrator. The job went to Argentina, had to train my replacements. Went to Bristol Myers Squib and HP bought the IT department and administrators had to once again train their Argentinian replacements. Then we were kicked out the door. If we didn't "train our replacements with the same zeal and vigor we showed while making the company successful, than any compensation or benefits we had coming would be put in jeopardy." The company's words. Many network admins couldn't find good work afterwards because the companies were only looking for H1B visa holders, which Americans do not have. Our resumes were not even considered.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@jamesalec1321 Instead of wasting time on training youre replacement, use that time to find another job and get ahead of the pack. Just resign and find something else as the moment they have hired a replacement is the moment your work there has effectively ended.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@PrecioustheMovie1 WTF? How does this have anything to do the topic?

[@josephthecreator]

I enjoy listening to discourse about cyberwarfare. Thank you for this interview Lex.

[@josephthecreator]

@ WHATSAPP➕④④⑦⑤⓪③⑥①⑦⑦③⓪ Awesome! Let me mail you my wallet and social security number info.

[@skunkworksu7638]

I'm not a computer person but this was fascinating to me. Great interview .

[@andrew.bisson]

It took an hour and 26 minutes but she finally showed her true colors.

[@brandonmay3094]

She just wants to make a little money….

[@alphabee8171]

Love what she said about making yourself a tougher target. It's always been a golden rule since the beginning of civilizations. Unless ofcourse someone specifically targets you, then one day he's gonna get you.

[@vanessa1569]

In light of all that’s happening in Ukraine right now, I really wish we were given a greater insight into Nicole’s very specific cyber lens surrounding this situation.

[@musicalcacti]

This person is very intelligent and well-spoken.

[@AndyChamberlainMusic]

people have always thought there were lines america wasnt willing to cross, and then years later we find out the govt had been crossing those lines all this time. Guantanamo Diary is a good read. Graphic and horrifying, but a good read. Of course, that wasn't a US citizen, but obviously non-US citizens do not deserve any less due process

[@YouT-DJ]

Very good guest and interview. People need to be awake on this subject.

[@GBlunted]

How did they mention Kashogi and nobody bringing up Asange? I mean isn't the runaround circus they put Julien Asange through set a precedent for free speech and all since he was simply an investigative journalist?

[@wicksleysnipes1476]

Lex often reminds me of why I appreciate the great Russian authors. I feel like Lex appreciates the beauty of life and understands the role of suffering in the human experience. The best that he can. What a humble, intelligent, and gentle soul. Thank you, Mr. Fridman. You convey love and humanity beautifully. It’s a privilege. -Wicksley.

[@cecilfulmer1884]

Rex would make a wonderful student besides whom I would have loved to sit while doing graduate work in philosophical/theological literature.

[@justindittburner216]

Please do more cyber security videos!!!

[@TedTucholski]

Great guest Lex. Nicole was very pleasant to listen to and easy to understand. Very smart gal.

[@SubvertTheState]

"See I'm an Android person, because I'm a man of the people" I love Lex haha, he will have fun all by himself even if no one in the room is. It makes me uncomfortable that she's critical of Snowden, I listened and still can't understand why. I literally cannot think of a more intelligent, articulate, morally righteous and upstanding person than him. It could've been any jackass who just wanted to sell intelligence to an even worse government.

[@naesone2653]

The things he released also hurt people because of lots of private information being publicated, that’s what I got out of it being bad about the whole act but I still think it was the right thing to do… I’m also pro snowden and respect him a lot

[@SubvertTheState]

@@naesone2653 From what I understand he didn't release anything to the public. He handed over datasets to reputable journalists in order to avoid irresponsible publishing. I've also heard that he released up-to-date operationally sensitive intelligence but I later heard that was not the case.

[@naesone2653]

@@SubvertTheState yeah I know that but still private info has been leaked to journalists… but let’s be honest it wasn’t that private all along

[@granand]

That is a political statement.

[@amanryan6803]

Agreed 💯👍 Snowden should have a parade for him...

[@realMattGavin]

Just hit $40 at the casio at the end of your podcast. I don't listent to a lot of journist. Nicole is a well spoken person. I hope everyone can continue on with life here soon.

[@Duy1P3]

LEX! You MUST go find Darknet Diaries narrator Jack Rhysider. The guy is a wealth of knowledge and has interviewed a lot of these top level hackers that have found 0-days and actually helped in executing the payloads. Really would be an interesting cross over.

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@dephy2003]

Love that podcast. Jack would be a great interview.

[@sne47]

Right?!? Love me some darknet diaries!!

[@jadenewton366]

100%

[@cryptomando]

I enjoyed this historical account, the scene evolves faster than a next gen journalist can ever report it. Gn

[@shermanhoman6666]

So glad you are covering cybersecurity! More please!

[@krikeydial3430]

It's great but I want to know what Acid Burn thinks about hacking cellphones with a payphone.

[@seanchesal5676]

Such a compelling conversation here. I run an AV company that does many corporate events surrounding a multitude of topics, but when there is a focus on cybersecurity I always find myself intrigued

[@8474Starscream]

Fantastic interview. The age of privacy is gone.

[@MrItachi121]

Awe yes my specific field of study on this channel finally

[@sagereef]

With Klaus schwabbs warning of a major cyber attack to shut down the whole system, this is more relevant than ever

[@havabrownkittycat7107]

I worked in this area. Thank you for doing this interview. Should be required information for all! I bought the book and started in!

[@robbiewalsh6965]

Lex you gotta try talk to more historians! Can you get Kotkin on again for his last Stalin Volume? Or maybe Ian Kershaw to discuss Hitler? Or Andrew Robberts to discuss Churchill?

[@bewell4743]

"What's the internet mom?" 🌹 To all the great moms out there!

[@speedysmithy]

Mom's are special don't you know?

[@susanrosegale6646]

Great information, its hard to find time to watch long interview but this one I made it a priority because we are faced with a cyber war now, and it seems we all need to get educated. Thank you Lex, love your content!

[@jamesbarry1673]

LOVE YOU>>>>>>>>>>>> keep up the good work.... FYI catching up on all your podcasts keeps me up late at night....but its worth it.

[@bluehairkim1]

Excellent info made understandable even by someone like me with no base understanding of any of this. Extremely informative

[@Theoo3zln]

The condensation dissipating on the bottles of water through the video is fascinating. You have earned a subscriber.

[@tewodroshagos5477]

Snowden's argument was not about the US spying on other countries, It's about American citizen.

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Agreed. Nice lady, but she is polishing the NSA brand to eliminate any personal guilt.

[@compassioncampaigner728]

@@yes-vy6bn Agreed

[@andreiMvisan]

Agreed. She avoids the subject by deferring always to what other countries are doing.

[@caswallonandflur692]

I want to congratulate these very intelligent folks for their desire to be part of "the solution". Thankyou

[@manupalli]

It's amazing how she explains our culture (Argentina) I'm not a hacker myself but yes, we are crafty people!

[@namelosen661]

Cuantos argentinos siguen a lex fridman?

[@manupalli]

@@namelosen661 No creo que seamos muchos!

[@adrielschmunck9054]

@@namelosen661 Aca otro, estaba buscando el comentario de algun argentino

[@terogamer345]

La fantasmeo un poco igual no? "No podes comprar un iphone, no tenes acceso a ningun app de la que estamos acostumbrados"

[@manupalli]

@@terogamer345 Es que no esta muy lejos de la realidad, un bajon, pero la realidad al fin..

[@sarahrose1665]

I like this cuz nobody was in a hurry... Everybody could hang and go in depth... I LEARNED SO MUCH... EXCELLENT SPOT... THANKS AGAIN...GA USA 🙋🌹👍

[@mafaldasa88]

Such an insightful interview and interesting/thought provoking questions. Really worth watching!

[@johanponken]

This was great advice: 1:38:58 how to handle privacy - use multiple levels.

[@zenchess]

Pretty good podcast, but she is pushing political narratives if you pay attention

[@GrapeApe66]

Yeah, you can tell what she mentions and doesn’t mention.

[@Teal_Seal]

She brings some good information to the table. Enlightening and sober. But her repeated efforts to smear “the previous administration” (as if the current admin is pure) are tiresome and reveal a gaping blind spot.

[@MrGoldenZebra]

like what ? did she misstate any facts ?

[@MissMal92]

@@MrGoldenZebra lol relax

[@Validboy]

@@MrGoldenZebra She didnt bring any facts.. Mainly her opinions.. The same exact opinion you will find anywhere in mainstream media... Why is she here again? Is she lost?

[@dubchile]

I love having Lex before going to sleep every night. It's the only way, other than with Greg Lagland of course 😎👌

[@deeppatel7068]

Lex was really in shock at 20:00 mark. His 2 words “oh boy” came out after stomach charming pain, I think!!

[@TheDustyShed]

I've been subscribed for a few month, but only watched a dozen or so episodes. I wish I had time to watch more frequently. Keep up the great work. You deserve a larger platform.

[@celladoor_uk]

This was terrifying but highly fascinating. Thank you, as ever, Lex for providing such pertinent guests and information. :)

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

She is a wise and potent woman. Enjoyed this

[@goldfishi5776]

Governments are as trustworthy as a cartel. You give them what they demand or you will find yourself as an example for others not to follow. Both governments and cartels chose this perception because they want to appear dangerous so yeah.. as jordan would say, tread lightly.

[@florentinaw1707]

They are the cartel Mobsters

[@Jaime00008]

Could listen to these all day

[@ambientcryptosadizane4028]

Thank you both.

[@granand]

Lex, this is a very rare interview where you just let Interviewer answer the question with no interruptions and C++ call backs :-) Thank you Lex

[@jmbaug1229]

Lex we love your content 💛 please never go to Spotify or leave KZbin 🙏

[@POSSUM3K3]

Please go to Spotify or Rumble then you can speak freely without KZbin's censorship. Everyone should move to those places specifically to prove a point and end YTs and Googles reign.....People can go to the other sites just as easily. Why give YT the views and power?

[@vegvisirphotography5632]

@@POSSUM3K3 and then Alphabet buys rumble, hostile takeover which it has no power over. Great idea lol.

[@generalwoe359]

@@POSSUM3K3 the problem is all the people who do rumble and yt just reupload their yt vids to rumble so you just get the same censorship carried over *glares at timcast and lotuseaters*

[@POSSUM3K3]

@General Woe I don't think Rumble is selling out anytime soon they just picked up Locals and are going public via SPAC with the CEO holding a massive percentage of shares so that way there isn't a coup de tate with random planted board members. They also with the SPAC funds have quite the funds to bring people to them. They've already picked up Bongino and offered Rogan an Im guessing its only the beginning. Idk if you watch Rogan since he went to Spotify but it's nice watching and listening to people unfiltered showing whatever they want to and not hiding behind YT ToS. Yes Tim is pretty horrible about staying under their ToS I will give him credit for the fact he does do his uncensored show on his website I think he would be so much bigger if he did that show Mon-Fri rather than bow to YT. And $10 a month to watch a short little 30 minute clip just isnt worth it in my opinion. I understand getting some popularity before going behind a pay wall or just getting some points across to the people watching YT but their shows should not be based around YTs ridiculous rules. Having a podcast where you can be 100% authentic is where the future is in my opinion no matter whose website its through just as long as it happens. Nobody trusts MSM anymore the majority of people are now getting their news from podcasts or reading journalists work on Substack because people are sick of the phony censorship, tip toeing around certain topics and being lied to day or night. If Rumble holds true then it may actually give big tech a run for its money. But at this point idc where they go just as long as it isn't YT. KZbin used to be great but they and ever other huge tech and social media platforms have played with fire one too many times and got burned🔥 And alot do just re-upload to other sites but then you have people like Styxhexenhammer666 who just does 10 min or so clips on YT and then go to other places to give the real shows which is what Tim should be doing right now. I hope to see alot more of these things happening in the future, but who knows, we will see I suppose 🤷‍♂️

[@generalwoe359]

Has nothing to do with being sold - it's the fact that most major creators on the platform are just re-upping their KZbin videos to rumble and leaving the "can't talk about this on KZbin" shit still in the video despite the fact it's on rumble Man if only you read the last comment where i said this exact shit before typing a wall of text that doesn't address shit I've brought up As long as yt has their thumb on the scale like they do nothin gonna change anytime soon regardless of who owns what

[@georgetacarmen8824]

The tinkering with a bunch of stuff makes a lot more sense to me now. My youngest brother used to do that. He did end up working as an engineer. I guess he was good at it. I remember that I got him a new bike for his 12 th birthday. And he took it apart because he said that he wanted to make it go faster. How? It makes more sense now. I didn't get upset with him. I just paid to fix his bike again. I didn't want to break his spirit. I enjoyed this conversation.

[@syx8op]

This was a great episode. Thank you for having her in. Love the security talks.

[@mchapman2424]

I feel like they have a lot of sexual chemistry. I dont know if shes married or not and im not claiming that she was hitting on lex or the other way around. I am claiming that I believe they have a shit ton of chemistry

[@ankurdebbarma6363]

This is a conversation of the decade.

[@GlassDragon0069]

This show is like watching a murder in process and can’t do a thing about it

[@heaven-is-real]

well put

[@renafarted9075]

That's what my life has been like since a hacker killer picked me to pick on

[@pionierplayer]

Alexei, you touched the right subject in the right time. I'm waiting for your exclusive interview with Mr. Putin.

[@johnfunk7568]

Thanks Lex! Looking forward to the conversation!!!!

[@MissMal92]

*I just turned on two-factor authentication. THANK YOU.*

[@joaniemama111]

You can’t trust anyone except for those you have grown up with or around. Even then you may not really know who, they, are. Ironic his phone was hacked before this interview. Common sense is not so common anymore. Much Love 💕

[@wildaceds]

While I think Nicole is genuine she really is behind how great the cyber security is in the US

[@Xander667]

Another phenomenal interview, she was very well informed and thoughtful in her responses. Great content

[@naesone2653]

More of cybersecurity please Lex !

[@magicguerilla5557]

I like how she pointed out the Trump whistleblower but neglected to say anything about the Biden laptop. Clearly a partisan politically motivated individual.

[@iAnon666]

@@yes-vy6bn are you speaking english?

[@justenking4272]

When she refers to the intelligence community, she says "We." Telling.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Nah. It's a grammatical thing.

[@inter-linked]

More wishful thinking.

[@N_Harkin]

She works for the government. Admitted it. 39-42 minutes.

[@MichaelStan]

I Just wanted to say that problem you are talking about in 1:10:06 and the rest of the conversation with NIcole Perlroth about security, identity and ownership of data is something I'm working with my team now to bring it to life in next 2-3 years.I believe we are creating the next step in blockchain technology development.You've been also discussing very similar topic some time ago with Niail Ferguson. Right now we are going to release half decentralised software to introduce normal people who are not interested into blockchain and decentralisation, with decentralised identity through asset management ecosystem that will help people get of bad debt, build wealth and protect personal and financial data so more people can get comfortable with decentralisation while we can focus on building the new kind of technology that eventually will allow our users be in 100% in control of their data. By the way amazing episode.😁

[@johnnymidas5879]

THANKS LEX.👍

[@BuffaloSpiritGuide]

Cool interview. I loved where she talks of the advice about living normally and use the shield of protection as a NY Times journalist given what she does. But then she says but then Jamal Kashoggi changed my world view. If Jamal Kashoggi changed your world view…then I’d highly recommend you start studying and reading more geopolitical books, reading global news sources and diligently reading about the countries you’re going to because that was a little surprising in the way it happened, but not really when you consider the warnings and dangers known about going to a country allied with Saudi Arabia like that. Admire her empathy though, very inspiring

[@soundslight7754]

"mutually assured destruction" from hacking and security is between state actors when both sides know the other. When anyone can acquire these tools and attacker is unknown, we cannot rely on "mutually assured destruction". Take best cybersecurity precautions and disconnect from WWW as far as possible - ideally drop your devices

[@rachelrodgers9171]

After making online purchases, ads suddenly begin appearing on Facebook such as shoes, bedding, dishes, etc.

[@gregggo]

One of the best podcasts or generally videos I've ever seen! So informative and true to reality, including so many perspectives that made me REALLY UNDERSTAND the topic. This is what happens when one great journalist speaks to another great journalist. I thank you both so much for sitting together, just having the conversation and sharing it with the humanity

[@jspur22]

So I am a CISSP and use to do in-person social engineering tests for the banks we were auditing. Typically I would google who was in charge of IT or the ISO and name drop them saying that they sent me down to check on some stuff before the audit, or that I was new and needed a tour. I would say at least 60% of the time I was able to get behind a teller line and plug in a USB left in a server room alone, or taken into the vault (pretty much nothing in vaults these days besides safety deposit), without them EVER making a call and verifying who I was. Also, I am using the podcast for CPEs and this can be some documentation.

[@MattAngiono]

Her response about the "metaverse" and what that means for our children was the best part of this interview and also the most important! Do we really want our most meaningful experiences as human beings to be online??? Please look into the work of Alison McDowell and her interviews about this topic.... It's truly horrendous what we're willingly walking into with this technology and we have to be educated if we want to resist! She would make an excellent guest for this show!

[@SirMolgan]

How do I block this channel so iI never have to see this Lex guy ever again?