Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar | Lex Fridman Podcast

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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
0:55 - Zero-day vulnerability
6:56 - History of hackers
21:48 - Interviewing hackers
25:50 - Ransomware attack
38:34 - Cyberwar
51:42 - Cybersecurity
1:00:49 - Social engineering
1:17:42 - Snowden and whistleblowers
1:27:12 - NSA
1:36:59 - Fear for cyberattacks
1:44:30 - Self-censorship
1:48:51 - Advice for young people
1:54:08 - Hope for the future
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Linode: linode.com/lex to get $100 free credit - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex and use code Lex25 to get 25% off - Onnit: lexfridman.com/onnit to get up to 10% off - ROKA: roka.com/ and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit 0:55 - Zero-day vulnerability 6:56 - History of hackers 21:48 - Interviewing hackers 25:50 - Ransomware attack 38:34 - Cyberwar 51:42 - Cybersecurity 1:00:49 - Social engineering 1:17:42 - Snowden and whistleblowers 1:27:12 - NSA 1:36:59 - Fear for cyberattacks 1:44:30 - Self-censorship 1:48:51 - Advice for young people 1:54:08 - Hope for the future

[@maxbrudvig1874]

Excited for this one. Cheers

[@HailNihilism]

So far amazing episode. I'd love to see someone from the army's psychological operations unit. There is a fascinating history of psyops used during wartime would love to see a discussion on this. I think lex would find it very interesting too.

[@THERJ39]

Hello

[@ohms497]

Lecture time. Almost finished with CYBERSECURITY for Dummies.

[@MrSpastushenko]

;)

[@prodicy_]

Really great to see cyber security on the channel. Would love to see more netsec

[@chiaroscural]

Seconded

[@Ajaxx47]

I 2nd this. I have a degree in netsec but it’s been years since I’ve done anything involving it and this relit that fire for me

[@venus334]

Yess. I was so surprised

[@loumachines9206]

I got mentally abused for so long I had to develop my own defense mechanism to be able to pretend hide my pain n hurt I lost it all I wanted to commit suicide more then a few times but just a couple of days I was able to let it go and focus on my daughter. Single dad and now grammpa that’s my story. I’m a proud citizen I’m a patriot by the court that is Me I love the land and faith in it. Let’s just said I wish there was more people communicating That words without fax just by the power of the mind I believe that’s what your language was just a lack of minds in that way. Anyways thank you love the show

[@nivrat6708]

She lost me when she said private bitcoin wallets can be hacked (pretty sure it was taken from an exchange) and showed support for the Russiagate “whistleblower” who doesn’t meet the definition of a whistleblower. She is a hack. Keeps saying “0 day” over and over, does not sound like an expert at all.

[@chiaroscural]

I appreciate Lex’s ability to choose guests that are both leaders in their field and capable of communicating key ideas in a tangible way. Very grateful for this free education, thanks Lex!

[@penndragon22]

If he reads this he'll appreciate the specific and actionable feedback. Informative with a felt quality.

[@KevinWillis2]

She's a very articulate and knowledgeable person. I loved this way more than I was hoping for and learned a lot. Thanks!!!

[@ht2007]

😂😂😂

[@pabis6817]

I’m glad I didn’t skip this one. What a gem

[@Ayra_Is_Cool_lol]

Lol didn't expect her to shill so hard for the NSA. But then again she works for the NYT

[@jameswestley5643]

I'd like this comment. But the fact it's at 69 pleases me too much.

[@theebonymaw]

right! she speaks at length about how foreign governments use the exploits for nefarious purposes but doesn't seem to extend that same suspicion to our government. yeah, the defense department hired those hacker companies to "protect their systems", alright... lol

[@lyralong]

She sees Obama good, orange man bad!

[@jakedill1304]

Yhea there seems to be a bit of a distance between governments doing, and having the ability, and infrastructure to do the things... vs what those governments end up doing with it... In reality it seems those two things are rarely disconnected... Like, she's not wrong, sure we (as far as I know) don't set up political prisoners as organ farms, or MJ Fox around with radio active tea for journalists we don't like... but we seem to be ok with selling and doing business with both, and the reality is that where the line is between when a government starts crossing lines, and where the line was they crossed 5 years ago is variable but usually a one way direction, People don't walk back power that they have... and the whole reason we have checks and balances in our system of government is to attempt to recognize that it needs to be that way to keep that line as hard to cross as possible... the further you are, the more ability and structure and cultural acceptance you have with the thing, and the cognitive dissidence that you use to get everyone there... would really suck if you just happen to wanna use it for some extra cash on the organ market, or really didn't like that joke they made about you at the Post... 'Cause were not like that' and 'we don't do that' is a bad excuse and it's kinda nuts to see her validate that very notion several times.

[@codeeater0]

And Lex isn’t a shill?

[@hahtos]

A champion arm wrestler yesterday, cyber security today....you are crushing it Lex!

[@questionmark9713]

Her views on snowden tells all about her ... SNOWDEN is a HERO and deserves his own interview on this channel. she is so disrespectful and lives in a bubble and the way she tries to defend the wrongdoings of america is crazy and insulting. does she really think we're that stupid? holy shit!

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Totally agree. He and all whistleblowers are heros. Our money and corporation centric culture has slowly and steadily morphed whistleblowers into bad guys. She blames the next 911 on Ed already? NO ONE was killed or injured from Ed's revealations.....no one...... despite the govt's effort to make you think otherwise.

[@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692]

FREE SNOWDEN NOW!

[@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692]

YES, FREE SNOWDEN NOW!

[@compassioncampaigner728]

@@iliveinthekingdomofpain7692 Y E S !

[@granand]

She is Govt agent...

[@brandon1113]

I listened to this podcast on my way home from work, heavily enjoyed it and learned a lot as well as gained a better insight into the environment. Sorry to hear about your files due to the ransomware, that for some reason in particular peaked my interest to learn more about the deadbolt ransomware and in doing so found that my same Asuster NAS system has recently had the same attack. I recently moved so it is currently unplugged and sitting in a box but I was planning to set it up this weekend and wanted give my condolences and also thanks for preventing an attack by talking about it. Also thank you for all the podcasts, not enough words to describe the amount you do and the impact you make onto people like myself, many thanks.

[@roughsteve3653]

As a Canadian, I find this podcast very interesting given the recent hack of GiveSendGo and the way that information was exploited after they refused to play ball with the Canadian government.

[@goyonman9655]

Exactly

[@mfdev9926]

Nicole's suggestion about deploying software engineers to find bugs is a really good one. I'm a computer science student at a pretty "good" university, and I found an exploit in GiveSendGo where I was automatically logged into a random user's account. I got this person's name, email, address, and other personal infos. I wasn't really in a position where I could do anything about it, but companies should make open communication channels for stuff like this.

[@BandAid350z]

@@mfdev9926 one needs to ask how many of these “exploits” are intentional back doors. Coral people to a platform, leave open doors, collect data to target enemies.

[@Aj_470]

@@BandAid350z dragnet honeypot

[@zesuma]

@@BandAid350z seems any company doing business in China is compromised

[@mcompsci]

So happy to see you covering Cybersecurity, as well as giving the mic to Nicole to disucss it. No one better!

[@Teal_Seal]

I’m thankful for whistleblower Bobulinski. 10% for the Big Guy!!! 😉

[@gregorybrennan751]

Great episode Lex. You consistently put out amazing content. Got me realizing just how poor my own OPSEC is...my ignorance on things of a technical nature is pathetic at best. Enjoyed your guest, and just had to thank you both for the ride. Journalist's take great risk when they expose things hidden in the shadows. Scary seeing how many die under murky circumstances. True journalist's risk their lives. May TRUTH shine bright in the darkest of night.

[@pcprincipal1401]

As much as I enjoyed this conversation and what she had to say. It really bugs me she is saying she is a journalist on cyber security but was also someone who went full blown into the russia gate conspiracy. I wish lex would have questioned her on this topic I would have been interested in hearing what she had to say especially as more information is coming out (which many people following the topic knew for years) about the Clinton campaign actually involved in spying on the trump campaign

[@kinvert]

It made it very hard to take her seriously.

[@davegold]

I imagine that would turn off half the audience. People seem to want bias conformation and will turn off an information source if it doesn't match their bias.

[@thedooran]

Completely agree, when i hear someone buying into Russiagatehoax it makes me think they probably have an issue with being objective

[@KriegerKrieg]

The obvious partisan views on snowden as well when talking about whistleblowers.

[@oooodles3]

...all she wanted to do was "scratch the surface" with this book. And she has no opinions on how to be a whistleblower? Most boring interview ever.

[@henrymach]

"We don't do those things" she said while choosing to not mention Guantanamo

[@etiennedegaulle3817]

This shill works at the New York Times, so I wouldn't expect anything different. She did a great job of discussing cybersecurity while absolutely ignoring the shit that the US security apparatus does both internationally and domestically.

[@Teal_Seal]

@@yes-vy6bn ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[@iAnon666]

@@yes-vy6bn oh lord. if by unintentional trespass you mean jan 6. take that somewhere else.

[@zoolghiest7454]

@@iAnon666 Some of those ppl who where rubes that literally just walked around aimlessly after bein waved in by police on camera been In solitary confinement for hella long. Not to mention the obvious amount of glowies involved in that whole rediculous carnival. Even the fbi admitted there was no planned insurrection. Nada.

[@user-dj6oi5hw3m]

i had to shout it at the screen ffs

[@TheDustyShed]

I've been subscribed for a few month, but only watched a dozen or so episodes. I wish I had time to watch more frequently. Keep up the great work. You deserve a larger platform.

[@susanrosegale6646]

Great information, its hard to find time to watch long interview but this one I made it a priority because we are faced with a cyber war now, and it seems we all need to get educated. Thank you Lex, love your content!

[@cheveronLI]

The documentary Zero Days about the Natanz Nuclear facility is phenomenal at explaining how and why this is so terrifying

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@rowansavage9371]

That is a SUPERB documentary! It’s interesting how the authority to launch cyber weapons resides with the US President. The only other weapons this applies to are nuclear weapons.

[@zadekeys2194]

Lookup Citizen Four. Hope I'm rembembering it correctly.

[@Rodrigo-tk2fm]

Here on YT??

[@kofienrico2804]

That plus the cyber attack on Venezuela powerplants should have been covered a bit. They were so far the biggest hits

[@jdmckinney85]

I love her voice... incredibly clear, knowledgeable and firm in her arguments.

[@warwagon]

I'm sensing a bit of vocal fry

[@JohnSmith-ti3oy]

Her calming tone while speaking about cyber war and the vulnerabilities of our critical infrastructure somehow really emphasizes the seriousness.

[@94bayo]

@@warwagon it's such a cognitive dissonance to see an older woman speak in the valley girl style

[@syntropy3020]

Bit too much upspeak for my liking.

[@alexkaa]

Amongst all his variety of guests, I often enjoy Lex himself most - his contemplating on 'authentic weirdness' was highly holistic. 🔥

[@mafaldasa88]

Such an insightful interview and interesting/thought provoking questions. Really worth watching!

[@marcosluna7792]

As someone who’s a huge fan and also a cybersecurity professional, I am SO excited by this one

[@ryanwilson7543]

Love the podcast and the discussions that follow. Imo, I think Glenn Greenwald would have been a great addition to this conversation. His firsthand experience in this world could have added even more. Major respect for all of your hardwork!!

[@susanrosegale6646]

Agree, time for Glenn

[@23wtb]

Greenwald would've skewered her on Snowden and Russiagate and the Zelensky "extorition."

[@Golipillas]

Would be awesome if you got Snowden on the podcast Lex, thank you for this, without a doubt the best channel on YT right now.

[@jadenewton366]

Check out Snowden on the joe rogan podcast

[@SoundsOfSushi]

This one of the most eye opening videos people need to watch. Thanks for providing it for the rest of us.

[@pizzaface8140]

This made me realize a few things, I should seriously look into coding and computer architecture because I know nothing at all about what I am using or buying or even the hidden risks of not knowing how to defend myself.

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@nelsonman1231]

in a lot of ways this discussion was like an introduction to digital purgatory

[@samsonives2710]

This comment feels like a bot lol

[@zadekeys2194]

Step 1 - backup your ur data. Check your backups. Have a plan. 2) get a PFSense firewall. 3) never enable uPnp. That is a solid, basic start. Good luck.

[@pizzaface8140]

@@burntoburn42 I’m learning Discrete Math and part of the class is to prove certain hard problems but then use LaTex so it looks like a math paper, is coding similar to LaTex?

[@KEVIN-84]

It’s not that you have nothing to hide, it’s that you have everything to protect.

[@dbright8120]

Nicole Perlroth statement about not wanting her 3 year old to have his most significant life experience to occur online in a meta verse, gave me some hope for the future. I pray there are other people in her industry who share her view... thank you for having her on the show. Much appreciated

[@johnfunk7568]

Lex and Nicole! Exceptional conversation/discussion. I bought the book and am reading it now. Great work. Both of you. God bless Jonn

[@NinjaofApathy]

Good to see cybersec on the channel! Also hoping to hear more about writing and authorship, whether creative writing, journalism, non-fiction etc. Thanks Lex. You're the man!

[@0xBerto]

Great conversation. As a researcher myself. This was a good start of the rabbit hole for people curious on cyber sec. Do more on hacking, defense etc

[@YouT-DJ]

Very good guest and interview. People need to be awake on this subject.

[@andedom]

I’m a little confused by her comments on Argentina. Her description of why it is a hub for hackers (essentially that it’s a relatively poor country) could apply to almost every third world country. And Argentina actually has a super advanced education and health care system (maybe that’s why?). Also she said that she most of the people at the hacker conference that she attended didn’t even speak Spanish. So how integrated were they into the Argentinian hacker culture?

[@jamesalec1321]

Argentina has been a great place for IBM and HP to send jobs to, jobs that Americans once held. I worked for IBM at Avaya as a server and network administrator. The job went to Argentina, had to train my replacements. Went to Bristol Myers Squib and HP bought the IT department and administrators had to once again train their Argentinian replacements. Then we were kicked out the door. If we didn't "train our replacements with the same zeal and vigor we showed while making the company successful, than any compensation or benefits we had coming would be put in jeopardy." The company's words. Many network admins couldn't find good work afterwards because the companies were only looking for H1B visa holders, which Americans do not have. Our resumes were not even considered.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@jamesalec1321 Instead of wasting time on training youre replacement, use that time to find another job and get ahead of the pack. Just resign and find something else as the moment they have hired a replacement is the moment your work there has effectively ended.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@PrecioustheMovie1 WTF? How does this have anything to do the topic?

[@josephthecreator]

I enjoy listening to discourse about cyberwarfare. Thank you for this interview Lex.

[@josephthecreator]

@ WHATSAPP➕④④⑦⑤⓪③⑥①⑦⑦③⓪ Awesome! Let me mail you my wallet and social security number info.

[@seanchesal5676]

Such a compelling conversation here. I run an AV company that does many corporate events surrounding a multitude of topics, but when there is a focus on cybersecurity I always find myself intrigued

[@TedTucholski]

Great guest Lex. Nicole was very pleasant to listen to and easy to understand. Very smart gal.

[@laurenvaughn3282]

have never laughed aloud to Lex, until he did the bit about being an "Android man because I'm a man of the people". omg...still laughing

[@inkgun3993]

And with utter seriousness that was - hilarious :D

[@Iron-Bridge]

Lol yeah. With a straight face too. I'm an Android person myself too but that was gold.

[@codykenneth3167]

Android, man of the people, i do not understand this phrase, what does it really imply in comparison with iOS?

[@inkgun3993]

@@codykenneth3167 The general perception is that Android is for all, unlike iPhone which is expensive and may very well be limited only to well off people. Got to agree - there is some grain of truth in that

[@andrewmay3584]

Lex, thanks for this interview! I was consistently impressed with the way this conversation flowed so nicely from point to point. It felt like y’all really worked together to flesh out ideas in a way that made it easy to listen to while not shying away from interesting anecdotes and relevant technical details. I’m sure that interviewing a skilled interviewer lends itself to this (and probably good editing - thanks y’all!), but I wanted to point it out because I feel like you sometimes sell yourself short in this regard. I know it’s important to keep the ego in check to promote the struggle for excellence, I just wanted to point out how clearly this interview illustrates the skill gap getting smaller; And coupled with the fact that it’s 2 hours long, I can honestly say I don’t know of anyone else in the game that could pull off a piece of content as interesting AND informative as this. Watching you humbly undertake your vision and never giving up has been a huge source of motivation/inspiration for me. So grateful to exist in this instance of the simulation with you!

[@explodingstardust]

Nicole is awesome. Love her books. Great story teller.

[@havabrownkittycat7107]

I worked in this area. Thank you for doing this interview. Should be required information for all! I bought the book and started in!

[@richardbullock9573]

Thank you for this one!

[@SubvertTheState]

"See I'm an Android person, because I'm a man of the people" I love Lex haha, he will have fun all by himself even if no one in the room is. It makes me uncomfortable that she's critical of Snowden, I listened and still can't understand why. I literally cannot think of a more intelligent, articulate, morally righteous and upstanding person than him. It could've been any jackass who just wanted to sell intelligence to an even worse government.

[@naesone2653]

The things he released also hurt people because of lots of private information being publicated, that’s what I got out of it being bad about the whole act but I still think it was the right thing to do… I’m also pro snowden and respect him a lot

[@SubvertTheState]

@@naesone2653 From what I understand he didn't release anything to the public. He handed over datasets to reputable journalists in order to avoid irresponsible publishing. I've also heard that he released up-to-date operationally sensitive intelligence but I later heard that was not the case.

[@naesone2653]

@@SubvertTheState yeah I know that but still private info has been leaked to journalists… but let’s be honest it wasn’t that private all along

[@granand]

That is a political statement.

[@amanryan6803]

Agreed 💯👍 Snowden should have a parade for him...

[@Theoo3zln]

The condensation dissipating on the bottles of water through the video is fascinating. You have earned a subscriber.

[@sarahrose1665]

I like this cuz nobody was in a hurry... Everybody could hang and go in depth... I LEARNED SO MUCH... EXCELLENT SPOT... THANKS AGAIN...GA USA 🙋🌹👍

[@jonnyco97]

Lex could you create a poll where we can recommend individuals you should interview

[@bluehairkim1]

Excellent info made understandable even by someone like me with no base understanding of any of this. Extremely informative

[@istiles1]

Excellent discussion Lex. Thank you & Nicole for your honest, in-depth discussion.

[@jamesbarry1673]

LOVE YOU>>>>>>>>>>>> keep up the good work.... FYI catching up on all your podcasts keeps me up late at night....but its worth it.

[@Duy1P3]

LEX! You MUST go find Darknet Diaries narrator Jack Rhysider. The guy is a wealth of knowledge and has interviewed a lot of these top level hackers that have found 0-days and actually helped in executing the payloads. Really would be an interesting cross over.

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

👍👍

[@dephy2003]

Love that podcast. Jack would be a great interview.

[@sne47]

Right?!? Love me some darknet diaries!!

[@jadenewton366]

100%

[@GBlunted]

How did they mention Kashogi and nobody bringing up Asange? I mean isn't the runaround circus they put Julien Asange through set a precedent for free speech and all since he was simply an investigative journalist?

[@katherinevenuto7105]

Such a profound conversation and I enjoyed it very much!

[@realMattGavin]

Just hit $40 at the casio at the end of your podcast. I don't listent to a lot of journist. Nicole is a well spoken person. I hope everyone can continue on with life here soon.

[@wicksleysnipes1476]

Lex often reminds me of why I appreciate the great Russian authors. I feel like Lex appreciates the beauty of life and understands the role of suffering in the human experience. The best that he can. What a humble, intelligent, and gentle soul. Thank you, Mr. Fridman. You convey love and humanity beautifully. It’s a privilege. -Wicksley.

[@cecilfulmer1884]

Rex would make a wonderful student besides whom I would have loved to sit while doing graduate work in philosophical/theological literature.

[@AndyChamberlainMusic]

people have always thought there were lines america wasnt willing to cross, and then years later we find out the govt had been crossing those lines all this time. Guantanamo Diary is a good read. Graphic and horrifying, but a good read. Of course, that wasn't a US citizen, but obviously non-US citizens do not deserve any less due process

[@alphabee8171]

Love what she said about making yourself a tougher target. It's always been a golden rule since the beginning of civilizations. Unless ofcourse someone specifically targets you, then one day he's gonna get you.

[@MrItachi121]

Awe yes my specific field of study on this channel finally

[@Teal_Seal]

She brings some good information to the table. Enlightening and sober. But her repeated efforts to smear “the previous administration” (as if the current admin is pure) are tiresome and reveal a gaping blind spot.

[@jakedill1304]

cognitive dissidence is a helluva drug buddy... damn shame it's 3 dimensional.

[@susanrosegale6646]

Your judgement, by definition, is a blind spot. That is exactly what this lurking element counts on....many reading this, watching this, share your disdain but let's face it, it's over for that tired ineffective mindset. Cyber war created you...created this remark....it won't go away because I want it to.

[@kgoatfj]

The moment she starts on snowden is when you see her true colors. Part of the system ...yuck

[@rootedsu8022]

That part raised my eyebrows - then when she brought up how she applauded Eric Charmello (aka he who shall not be named...or else!) for being the name on the democrats first impeachment attempt... Yep, she's one of them.

[@MrGoldenZebra]

can u explain what her view is on snow , whats her problem with that i rlly didnt understand

[@MissMal92]

Everybody has a political leaning but we just have to scoop up all the new, useful information she's offering up and trash the rest. That's life.

[@sherylnelson6094]

I agree. Snowden is a hero in my eyes. No thumbs up or down from me!

[@brandonjpj1]

My thoughts exactly

[@Jaime00008]

Could listen to these all day

[@ricfax]

Excellent interview -- very insightful and informative!

[@lovman]

I'm finishing up Nicole's book now, and highly recommend it.

[@VertigoVenturer]

thank you lex, I loved this episode. it has pushed me even further towards doing a career change to cybersecurity.

[@Agustin-ri1ih]

This interview was very interesting. Thank you.

[@biggeeizzy]

Brilliant interview! Cheers mate

[@shermanhoman6666]

So glad you are covering cybersecurity! More please!

[@krikeydial3430]

It's great but I want to know what Acid Burn thinks about hacking cellphones with a payphone.

[@andrew.bisson]

It took an hour and 26 minutes but she finally showed her true colors.

[@brandonmay3094]

She just wants to make a little money….

[@johnd550]

I just activated two-step verification on my bank app. I think and act differently after what I’ve learned here. Thank you for serving humanity.

[@greg.peepeeface]

I really enjoyed this episode, thank you robo Lex.

[@sagereef]

With Klaus schwabbs warning of a major cyber attack to shut down the whole system, this is more relevant than ever

[@8474Starscream]

Fantastic interview. The age of privacy is gone.

[@Katharina643]

Thank you for a brilliant Podcast 👍👍

[@derekberrill5722]

Absolutely fantastic post.

[@robbiewalsh6965]

Lex you gotta try talk to more historians! Can you get Kotkin on again for his last Stalin Volume? Or maybe Ian Kershaw to discuss Hitler? Or Andrew Robberts to discuss Churchill?

[@anniemal9312]

She was honest, but I also sensed some propaganda. Which makes sense. Her boss is the government.

[@debimt]

I picked that up too…disappointing because I thought she was interesting but it’s her opinion so I’ll let it go.

[@TimHoefer]

Indeed....she towed the line of "Trump blackmailing Zelensky to influence an election". Strange she seems to have her thumb on the heartbeat of so much occult information in the cyber world....but still espouses this despite all that's come out since then.

[@VeniVizzleVici]

@@TimHoefer Occult?

[@TimHoefer]

Occult (the original definition) - not easily apprehended or understood - hidden from view

[@VeniVizzleVici]

@@TimHoefer Thanks. Not the standard context I'd expect to see the word "occult" used.

[@dubchile]

I love having Lex before going to sleep every night. It's the only way, other than with Greg Lagland of course 😎👌

[@58breezing]

Awesome convo.... I need more.

[@vanessa1569]

In light of all that’s happening in Ukraine right now, I really wish we were given a greater insight into Nicole’s very specific cyber lens surrounding this situation.

[@johnnymidas5879]

THANKS LEX.👍

[@ousmandiallo968]

such a good episode

[@caswallonandflur692]

I want to congratulate these very intelligent folks for their desire to be part of "the solution". Thankyou

[@MattAngiono]

Her response about the "metaverse" and what that means for our children was the best part of this interview and also the most important! Do we really want our most meaningful experiences as human beings to be online??? Please look into the work of Alison McDowell and her interviews about this topic.... It's truly horrendous what we're willingly walking into with this technology and we have to be educated if we want to resist! She would make an excellent guest for this show!

[@collinguidry9867]

She is a great communicator

[@sarahrose1665]

Sorry Lex... I'm 74yrs old and I didn't even know what was happening on this channel ... THIS IS FASCINATING... THANKS FOR BOTHERING...TRULY... It was super company while I was puzzling...👍🙋🌹3-24-22 GA USA THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[@MikeL-cy3if]

my favorite episode yet

[@justindittburner216]

Please do more cyber security videos!!!

[@syx8op]

This was a great episode. Thank you for having her in. Love the security talks.

[@mchapman2424]

I feel like they have a lot of sexual chemistry. I dont know if shes married or not and im not claiming that she was hitting on lex or the other way around. I am claiming that I believe they have a shit ton of chemistry

[@rolandburks]

Fantastic interview guys...loved it!!!

[@nemo9328]

Reading this atm so very happy to see this up

[@csb8336]

1:26:31 Trumps call w/ Zelensky....yeah, thats calssic NYT fake news, the fact that Nicole doesn't see that (or even question that in the face of mounting evidence) makes me question the rest of her 'journalism'

[@GrapeApe66]

Hummmm, bias exposed of media mind meld. If only there wasn’t this mass dysfunction of wanting a narrative to be true bc the talent is there.

[@kinvert]

Glad I'm not the only one to notice this.

[@ryanseitz3305]

It seems like it should be possible to produce software that gets around randomware. Like something that if it sees commands to encrypt your files on your computer, it backs them up and sends it somewhere....or cancels the encryption.

[@goncalocarvalho4917]

Good job, really liked the interview

[@thebigtexan3]

thanks Lex, great interview

[@deeppatel7068]

Lex was really in shock at 20:00 mark. His 2 words “oh boy” came out after stomach charming pain, I think!!

[@manupalli]

It's amazing how she explains our culture (Argentina) I'm not a hacker myself but yes, we are crafty people!

[@namelosen661]

Cuantos argentinos siguen a lex fridman?

[@manupalli]

@@namelosen661 No creo que seamos muchos!

[@adrielschmunck9054]

@@namelosen661 Aca otro, estaba buscando el comentario de algun argentino

[@sachoslks]

La fantasmeo un poco igual no? "No podes comprar un iphone, no tenes acceso a ningun app de la que estamos acostumbrados"

[@manupalli]

@@sachoslks Es que no esta muy lejos de la realidad, un bajon, pero la realidad al fin..

[@johanponken]

This was great advice: 1:38:58 how to handle privacy - use multiple levels.

[@soundslight7754]

"mutually assured destruction" from hacking and security is between state actors when both sides know the other. When anyone can acquire these tools and attacker is unknown, we cannot rely on "mutually assured destruction". Take best cybersecurity precautions and disconnect from WWW as far as possible - ideally drop your devices

[@goldfishi5776]

Governments are as trustworthy as a cartel. You give them what they demand or you will find yourself as an example for others not to follow. Both governments and cartels chose this perception because they want to appear dangerous so yeah.. as jordan would say, tread lightly.

[@florentinaw1707]

They are the cartel Mobsters

[@liztaylor85139]

Another EXCELLENT Interview! Nicole is amazing! Thank Lex! Please have John Deaton on to discuss nefarious actions of the SEC!

[@mariannwarner3774]

Best podcast yet!! Realistic, informative, down-to-earth, relatable. Thanks for this one!!

[@zenchess]

Pretty good podcast, but she is pushing political narratives if you pay attention

[@GrapeApe66]

Yeah, you can tell what she mentions and doesn’t mention.

[@Teal_Seal]

She brings some good information to the table. Enlightening and sober. But her repeated efforts to smear “the previous administration” (as if the current admin is pure) are tiresome and reveal a gaping blind spot.

[@MrGoldenZebra]

like what ? did she misstate any facts ?

[@MissMal92]

@@MrGoldenZebra lol relax

[@Validboy]

@@MrGoldenZebra She didnt bring any facts.. Mainly her opinions.. The same exact opinion you will find anywhere in mainstream media... Why is she here again? Is she lost?