Nidoqueen might be FASTER than Nidoking

Playthrough Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle (except held items)
3. No glitches or exploits*
4. No Double-Team TM before level 100*
Other rules:
-- My Pokemon have perfect genetics to ensure fair comparison between species.
-- *Pokeballs & Pokedolls are allowed in battle
-- *The badge-boost glitch is not restricted at all
-- *Skipping the Rocket Hideout & Marowak is allowed
-- I play the game at 4x game speed (238 frames per second)
-- My Pokemon has perfect DVs
-- The Trash-Can-Puzzle is automatically solved so times are not affected by RNG
-- The bike is allowed (the bike skip is not)
-- Skipping the bike is not allowed
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game & timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
*Double-Team:
-- Almost every Pokemon can learn Double-Team through TM
-- The TM can be purchased in Celadon
-- Using it would centralize the meta
-- Every Pokemon would use it to overcome tough battles at lower levels
-- It raises evasion
-- It triggers the badge boost
-- Banning the TM allows Pokemon who learn it through level up to use it
-- I believe evasion is part of Pokemon and shouldn't be banned entirely
-- I don't want the videos to all be double-team spam though, that's not fun or entertaining
-- Only two Pokemon learn Double-Team through level up: Pikachu & Scyther
-- Minimize is the other evasion raising move, these Pokemon learn it through level up:
-- Clefairy, Clefable, Grimer, Muk, Chansey, Staryu
Yellow Version changes from Red/Blue:
1. You cannot use Dig/Escape Ropes in Bill's House or the Pokefan Club
2. You cannot talk to the trainers in Blaine's gym to battle them
3. Surge, Sabrina, and Blaine do not have Good AI
4. The Elite Four have better movesets
5. Koga, Sabrina, Blaine, and Giovanni have higher level teams
6. Blaine doesn't use Super Potions are full HP
7. The rival picks his eeveelution based on the outcome of the first two battles.
-- Lose in the lab: Vaporeon
-- Win in the lab and skip route 22: Flareon*
-- Win in both locations: Jolteon
-- *You cannot lose on route 22 because you blackout
Terms:
-- STAB
-- Same-Type-Attack-Bonus - a 1.5x damage multiplier
-- Stat Experience
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of effort values. You can invest in all stats until they max
out at 65535
-- DVs or Determinate Values
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of IVs (individual values), these range from 0-15
Resources:
-- Gen 1 Stat Calculator: pycosites.com/pkmn/stat_gen1.php
-- All Trainer Pokemon have IVs (DVs) of 89888 (hp, atk, def, spd, spc)
-- All Trainer Pokemon have EVs of 0
-- Gen 1 Crit Rates: www.smogon.com/rb/articles/cr...
-- Crit rate is determined by dividing base speed by 512
-- High crit rate moves determine their rate by dividing base speed by 64
-- All crits have a 1/256 to fail, even if the rate is 100%
-- Crits don't multiple damage by 2, it's a formula based on level
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[@isaacboyer2694]

You see, Surge's main mistake wasn't using thunderbolt, it was NOT aiming for the horn

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Gotta aim for the horn

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon WHAT rhydon lived earthquake And proceeded to dunk the king 👑

[@Sunaki1000]

which one. Horns for days.

[@TheCulturedMan34]

​@@Sunaki1000all the horns

[@tantani6078]

By some miracle I saw this comment at 27:37, few seconds after surge used thunderbolt 😂😂😂

[@hammdogporkington3058]

32:30 There is a move deleter in Gen 1, you just can't find him because he's sleeping in the healing bed on the S.S. Anne

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Omg this comment got me as I read it…

[@TheWispGuy]

How devious of Game Freak to hide one of the most important NPCs in the game in the most obvious place.😆

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Maybe the bed is in the truck?

[@PrivilegeYT]

After getting cut, get your pokemon weak and faint so you teleport back to the Pokecenter. Alternatively, pokemon stadium allowed you to remove HM moves and after beating it you can teteach a forgotten move.

[@domenichughes7792]

@@TheMoogleKing93 mew's obviously in the truck. not only can it learn every tm and hm in the game, it learns metronome without tm. since it so readily has every move at its disposal, only makes sense that it can also make other mons fuck with their own movesets. confirmed.

[@paulnewton2284]

The reason the second juggler in Koga's gym's Drowzee has Psychic while the Hypno does not, is that Drowzee learns Psychic at level 34 while Hypno doesn't learn it until level 37. Both of his Pokemon are at level 34. And evidently, the devs did not feel the need to manually add Psychic to the Hypno's moveset.

[@SchumiJr.]

Wow that's so strange and random

[@profchaos91]

Every single trainer in gen1 only have the level up moveset, they started tweaking that in gen2

[@levy9595]

@@SchumiJr. it's not really that random, but it's certainly strange

[@lambtoken2708]

​@@profchaos91 I thought they changed that in Yellow

[@profchaos91]

@@lambtoken2708 afaik, the changes are very minimal, like some trainers don't bug themselves using good ai (lorelei for example) but there are still a good chunk of problems

[@RoninCatholic]

The reason Koga's gym has Psychic type wielding jugglers and Sabrina's gym has Poison type wielding Channelers is based on theming and world building leading to game mechanical oversights: Koga is a ninja, so ninja-themed trainers should be in there. Ninjas use throwing weapons as a distraction tactic to escape pursuit, jugglers throw balls and other objects around to entertain people and gain their attention. The Juggler Pokemon trainer class use Psychic type Pokemon to juggle their Pokeballs, so Koga's gym has guys using Psychic type all over. Sabrina is a psychic. Psychic powers are spiritual in nature. Channelers are trying to channel spirits, in this case the Gastly line as those are the only ghosts in Gen 1. Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar however are part Poison type, making them weak to Psychic attacks. Sabrina's gym being full of trainers with a weakness to her type at least makes sense as a boss. Koga's gym should've been full of Fighting type specialists instead!

[@after909b]

That's what I'm talking about. That's why he's the MVP. That's why he's the Goat, the goat!

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

Baaaaaa

[@Nixoth]

Wow i wish youtube didnt force me to see the top comment when i watch the vids. I dont click on comments cause i dont want spoilers. Tl;dr SPOILER ALERT

[@shimauta1941]

The first playthrough results were amazing. Nidoqueen way more than just surprises. This queen is clearly an overlooked hidden gem.

[@olavjorvik94]

Not really hidden. We all know it’s good. It’s just not AS good as King. And that’s why. It’s like comparing Fearow to Dodrio. Dodrio is better in every way. But that doesn’t make Fearow bad. But 10/10 would chose Dodrio in a fight. Same here.

[@nadadada3938]

there is a category called Nidoqueen% which is just a bit slower than the normal Any% iirc (Is slower because the attack stat give ranges where you are able to not kill the pokemon, making it unreliable in the speedrun, just that)

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

After all her full name is YAS NIDOQUEEN!

[@ivanbluecool]

What mom and dad arguing looks like in Pokemon style.

[@mikebell9759]

I think at a certain point the S tier will be filled by every fully evolved pokemon that doesnt have to grind for Brock, and can learn BoltBeam

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Maybe, we’ll have to start dividing the tier up if that’s the case.

[@mikebell9759]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon oh, I wasnt saying that like it was a bad thing. Those are the two most important things in Gen1 to be a quick run.

[@shade08538]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemonAdd an “S+ tier” or maybe some of those only deserve A+ tier

[@shimauta1941]

Second playthrough results are also incredible. The fact that Nidoking isn't even winning by a full minute is just amazing. Never underestimate a queen I guess.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yup, agreed. When people first asked for this video I was like, “no… Nidoking is obviously better.” Glad I eventually made it to see just how close the results really were.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon imagine if Blaine used the super potion on Arcanine vs nidoking That actually would have been optimal to force you to high roll Arcanine due to burn

[@incineroar9933]

The psychics are there to contain Koga and his poison types

[@olavjorvik94]

He’s a ninja. He could sneak out through the window in the roof, after his Weezing from Red/Blue puts on a smokescreen.

[@TeeKayDee]

It's kind of hilarious that Koga's fans are mostly jugglers. Like, even blackbelts trying to learn from a ninja would make some sense, or gamblers learning the art of deception. But you have an animal tamer and a bunch of jugglers. It's like a circus.

[@Skipatronic]

Nidoking and Queen were really good in Gen 1. Their diverse move pools absolutely crushed many playthroughs of my Pokémon Blue cartridge.

[@suckieduckie]

They were so good that at some point I told myself to not use the Nido's and Gyarados because they were simply to strong.

[@The_Red_Drifter]

Nidoqueen winning would be rather interesting. If only because Nidoking has the stats that are typically more suitable for solo challenge runs, and Thrash is pretty effective way to save time and pp. But Nidoqueen being more defensive leaning might actually help with the Elite Four and the champion.

[@minzekatze]

also nidoking has higher stab earthquake

[@DaermaeonBranKor]

I feel like Nidoqueen’s bulk is incredibly helpful for the likes of Lorelei.

[@discgolfwes]

Love watching the optimizations you do Scott! Well done!

[@n64_kfp]

My favorite non-comedic part of your videos is the optimizations. During the first playthrough I was like "why aren't you teaching nidoking an ice nice for Giovanni?!?!" And was then very pleased to see this fixed in the second playthrough. Your videos are absolutely incredible.

[@charlessegale6493]

My man Scott going from being a PokeTuber to being a Lord... * snif * Brings a tear to my eye. No, but seriously, it's really great to see how far you've come, dude! I feel like I bring this up every 5 episodes or so, but your videos just keep getting better and better! You and your team deserve all the credit! Oh, and congrats on the sponser!

[@adenhooks1295]

Aged a bit poorly

[@anusthing]

This comment reallllyyy didn't age well

[@billykidman2091]

Lmfao

[@theother5594]

These VS videos are so much fun. I'm so glad I found your channel 🥰 always looking forward to what you'll do next, it'll be awesome, I just know it 😁

[@Orrphoiz]

Hey man, thanks for this new video c: Like you, I have severe ADHD. Having your videos in the background helps me get mundane tasks done. Thank you. Also, as per usual, bug love!! cc:

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I love this kind of content for the same reason! Glad I can provide some for you!

[@cpalmer3]

Cool video as always, Scott! Looking forward to more fast runs in the future!

[@denirio]

Love the content! I hope all is well your way Scott. May peace be with you and your family.

[@NativeGolfer10]

Love the return of Scott’s vs videos! I got Nidoking in this one. I preferred Nidoqueen’s defense in Blue as a kid, but the king reached icon status for a reason. Nidoqueen will surprise with how well she does though!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

They are back for good now. At least one a month from now on. However, at least one a week until the new year! ;) gotta make up for lost time.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon The ONLY ISSUE I have is Professor OAK should have been a requirement to DEFEAT to get into cerulean cave He should have been given a key like Blaines gym

[@NativeGolfer10]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon If you’re looking for a Gen 2 vs video, Royal Rumble. Kingdra vs Slowking. Both royal titles and both require a special evolution. Should be comparable. :)

[@Re94n]

it's amazing how much you continue to innovate with the displays and other features on the production side, not to even mention how far you've come with gameplay and strategy, truly brilliant!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It's not going to stop!

[@mitchti14]

The best content creator on KZbin posting up the content we want - you’re the GOAT man. Every upload is always better than the last. Keep it up!

[@michaeleakin3424]

Thank you so much for these kinds of videos and thank you for all your hard work. You are so fun to watch. I always look forward to your videos

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much Michael!

[@SnowyTotodile]

This was such a blast to watch. It's amazing how close the two were, and congrats on zero resets! I definitely wasn't expecting these results, though I am not surprised by them! After all, their Poison typing definitely lets them down a lot more than it helps them due to being weak to Psychic (which means Koga and Sabrina might be a roadblock). This feels a lot similar to Pokemon like Aerodactyl, Omastar, and Kabutops which have no good Rock type move and, in the fossil Pokemon's case, are quad weak to the Oddish trainer. I guess it's part of the charm of Gen 1, but not all types were created equally. At least they were also part ground, and while Nidoqueen did pretty well, Nidoking was able to better capitalize on it thanks to having better attack and speed. And because they have identical special stats, it isn't like Nidoqueen would end up being a better special attacker, either, so I'm not surprised who came out on top either. Poison types that do well really only do so despite being Poison type and not because of it, like having its second typing be really good offensively (like Nidoking's and Nidoqueen's Ground typing) or having really, really good stats (like Gengar's 110 speed and 130 special), as well as access to a wide array of hard-hitting coverage moves like Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Psychic (in Gengar's case), Bubblebeam, etc. And if Surf was able to be replaced, I think the Nidos would have done even better, especially against Giovanni.

[@zacharyessey5904]

Excellent video as always!

[@die-gaming777]

Love the videos Scott keep them up you got me back into Pokémon

[@KayLoo202]

Your videos are also great ASMR for dogs!! If I watch these at night, my pup curls up next to me and goes right to sleep.

[@petervanvliet6747]

This programing is a work of art! The details of everything in real time is a real great job!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks you so much. Took from March-October to do this. I'm so glad that it really paid off!

[@rjthepoet500]

I totally didn’t expect to see The Queen to beat King in the first play-through! This was sooo close they are both so good but the King’s attack power was the difference along with some luck for both lol! Great job Scott, this was a great run and i truly appreciate you doing a third run because the tie breaker was needed 💯

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, couldn’t leave this one on only two attempts. It was so close!

[@rjthepoet500]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I’m so happy you did that Scott, great job again!

[@damoncheek7]

Thank you for explaining the damage rounding thresholds in the recent videos!

[@therpgplayer6247]

Scott can I just say congratulations on all your work I love your videos

[@Fredzeppelin15]

It’s been a few videos since you first mentioned the discrepancy but Wrapping Lass the Jr. Trainer still gets me every time.

[@kingcygnus]

This video was just perfection from Scott. Well, perfection for now… I’ll check back in 3 months to see how you’ve optimized your videos even more 😂

[@86-panda]

Man i hope you see 50K subs before the new year. You'be been absolutely killing it

[@shimauta1941]

All hail both the king and the queen. This is one of your most fun videos in a long while.

[@tylorvezina9793]

Another great video, Scott! My first few playthroughs of Yellow as a kid, I had both Nidoking and Nidoqueen in my team, (Because what kid understands teambuilding? lol) so I used them both alot, and was always impressed with their number of great TMs they get access to. They often carried my teams. Especially since I was too stubborn to replace the frail Pikachu. So when I got the notification for this video, I had to check it out. Although I rarely use either of them anymore in most games, this was a nice bit of nostalgia seeing them used so heavily, but I guess you proved that despite how much I prefer Nidoqueen, that Nidoking is superior. It must have been a ton of work, like all vs videos you do must be, so I want you to know that we all really appreciate the content, and I look forward to the next one!

[@DarkCT]

them reset totals and timers! well done!

[@jptheflipper3825]

these 2 are my absolute favourites, especially Nidoking and am so glad you made them into a VS plus they both solid S tier, love it. I wonder how the middle evolution Nidos are gonna go, I got my money on Nidorina for that. looking forward to your next vid, got a bad feeling about the fire types you got coming, fire types are a real pain in Gen 1, I literally only ever use Charizard and Flareon (Flareon my fave Eeveelution please make him awesome)

[@scouba780]

I just purchased some land for my mum and stepdad as a Christmas present and now they are now lord and lady such an awesome Christmas present idea thanks very much i also used your discount code appreciate and keep up the good work dude !

[@danielkaragic7057]

Oh yeah! Thanks as always for another treat scott! Hail Dome

[@RFGfotografie]

Awesome video yet again :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much!

[@dragonhunter2001]

Love these mons. Cool typing and decent stats. All the coverage too lmao

[@TekkenGirl4Lyfe]

"The :O vegetable" might be the most hilarious description of Weepinbell I've ever heard.

[@igorstark9514]

Ingenious idea!!! 😆

[@PrincessGoth574]

I love these videos, been re-watching ur old vs videos, ur videos are improving so much. Also it will be interesting to compare this to vanmans video while watching (commenting in the intro)

[@bateltheassistant]

Both nidos are amazing in gen 1, and they are both good in the early game for remakes as well. And the third playthough is kind proving that point. 😊 I really like how you perfectly plan the routing for each pokemon, and I have learnt a lot this time. 😊So thanks for that. Having a basic knowledge abot the damage rounding tharsh holds, kind of made the mid game pretty consistent, which most pokemon can't really maintain that momentum, even after intense routing, which kind of made both nido really stand out. Before watching that video I was so sure that nidoqueen will take the lead because of her defensive stats and because of her early access to body slam. So I'm kind of surprised. 😊 By the way, that oak fight was pretty brutal, with exeggutor being really trolly with hypnosis. That is always such a salty way to lose. 😂 Keep the good work! 😉

[@DeadSexyAdamCheney]

You inspired me back in March to start playing emerald and it has taken me till now to get my 8 badges. Ill go Weeks without playing but its so fun. I'm also playing blue, red, yellow, silver, Chrystal, gold, ruby, Sapphire, peal, diamond, sword, shield, brilliant diamond, shining pearl, Pokémon stadium 2 with my kids its been a lot of fun.

[@spikejrb7572]

This was amazing. Nidoking is my favorite mon, and even I’m shocked how high in the teir lost he managed!

[@ptiscool3334]

Ohh man you got sponsored finally? That’s awesome man.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks :)

[@vetledeilkas538]

I swear that is the exact same koffing plushie I had as a kid! Love it, favorite pokemon!

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

Scott names his Nidoking Kingler... Because that's hilarious.

[@BlazeElPadrino662]

Great run, thanks for sharing this versus with us! Nonetheless, I do feel that this one really showcases the need for multiple runs to have a more accurate perception about the Pokémon performance because I felt that you really took advantage of what you learnt from King to slightly tweak the moveset towards efficiency with Queen, and that's the only (objective, barring luck) reason why the first run was so good for the latter. In the end, having such minor stat differences and almost identical movesets then it was kind of expected that the race would be extremely close! Best regards 😊 Edit: At the Oak's fight you could've mimicked Sleep Powder from the Venusaur instead 😅 Also, with your routing it's pretty tempting to attempt an "Itemless" Speedrun with Nidoking! Yeah, it would clock in almost a full hour behind WR and considering that it would need to be submitted into the "Glitchless Classic" category then it means it also should have to deal with the Surge's Gym puzzle, but that's something I would love to run using original hardware just for flavour! Thanks again for this great video!

[@arcuscotangens]

Nidoqueen has always been one of my favourites. It was the second mon I raised to lvl 100, all the way back in Blue.

[@garryfischer3679]

I assume Nidoking will win, thrash is just too good but Ive been waiting for this video for awhile! Keep up the top notch work Scott!

[@zerraticz]

Hello Scott and Denis! The king has returned. **Rafiki voice**

[@stabbygenki]

37:30 Drowsee in Gen 1 learns Psychic at level 32 while Hypno learns it at 37, and I'm assuming they are just using their last 4 level up moves.

[@Matt_Zoran]

Finally you get what you deserve scott. Putting out the q&a for 40k just to have over 50k rn. Well deserved.

[@wilhelmisaac]

This was way closer than expected! I wonder how these two would fair in FRLG where Nidoking gets 10 more special attack and Nidoqueen gets 10 more special defense. Quick side note: It is probably more semantically accurate to refer to it as "damage truncating," because rounding would change which levels were thresholds. I have cursed at too many stats problems to remain silent on this. However, "damage truncating" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[@tsawy6]

Naw, rounding down is a common term, damage rounding is totally appropriate

[@wilhelmisaac]

@@tsawy6 within the context of the program, they are separate functions. In python, there’s a specific function for truncating called trunc(), and one for rounding called round(). Since the floating numbers always round down, that would be the result of truncating via a trunc() function. No idea about Assembly, which is what RBY were written in though, but I have heard it is incredibly frustrating to deal with floating integers in it, hence the constant truncation. Like I said, it’s VERY semantic and nerdy, but I will die on this molehill lol

[@tsawy6]

​@@wilhelmisaac I mean, my strong assumption is that the trailing bits just get dropped when you're storing as an integer (which is fairly common even now). But to claim that rounding down should only be called truncation because one programming language (even many programming languages) use that terminology for it is absurd. Rounding down is a thing outside of programming, and it's absolutely, strictly, categorically correct to call this process rounding. It would also be correct to call it truncation, but you can't say it's incorrect.

[@wilhelmisaac]

@@tsawy6 if you’re using the umbrella term for rounding, sure, but that encompasses over twenty different types of rounding. What type of rounding does Pokémon use? Monte Carlo arithmetic rounding? Scaled rounding? Rounding to a specified multiple? If we are debating strictly on the basis of semantics, then we have to discuss the language holistically. English is a low-context, high accuracy language wherein the linguistic culture tends towards specificity and detail. Thus while it may be linguistically accurate to call it rounding, it is incorrect in terms of linguistic fluency. Rounding within English nomenclature is assumed to mean rounding up/down. English specifically differentiates truncations because of this. It varies from the common assumption and thus the distribution must be made, as per the rules of the language, the definition of the terms in question, and the context in which the language and terms are currently operating. I can (and most like will) die on this teeny tiny molehill, but hey we all gotta stand for something

[@tsawy6]

​@@wilhelmisaac I would strongly disagree with the claim that the linguistic culture tends towards specificity and detail in all things, and I say this as a mathematician. I would claim that english is /flexible/ and that there are contexts in which people need specificity and other contexts where breadth is acceptable. Whilst, yes, the standard meaning of rounding is 'nearest unit', calling using another meaning incorrect in terms of linguistic fluency seems absurd, especially given that the term damage truncation is longer, bulkier, and more confusing for the average person (yes we're all nerds here, but not necessarily /math/ nerds!). Just because something could be expressed more precisely does not mean it has to, or even should be. Hell, even truncation could be specified. Is it truncated to the nearest unit, 10s, or one decimal place?

[@garryfischer3679]

Also, yumust really love the solo runs that let you use Rock Slide

[@LennonLuver1980]

Hi ya Scott, watching these videos has been one of my favorite things to do this year. Having grow up in the 90s with pokemon yellow i relate so much with your stories i love watching every video you post. Your videos bring me so much joy and i just wanted to say thank you. It's been a pleasure watching your channel grow and i hope to see it only get bigger and better.

[@forevaazone389]

Hey Scott, itd be so cool if you came up with cute thematic nicknames for all the notable npc trainers, Like Sandy for the the Jr Trainer with the Sand- attacking pidgeys, maybe nicki or Cardi for th wrapping Lass, sure itd be a little confusing for new viewers but us golden oldies would have a great chuckle, still loving all of your content man and love watching your career gain more and more traction, keep up the good work!

[@Aliyah_666]

I always used thrash when I was sure the fight could be won with no confusion taking its toll. Of course in generations to follow a berry being held would reverse this problem. On a side note, Scott if you haven't played pokemon team rocket edition (a very fun romhack of Fire red) I recommend you try it. It has easily one of the most unique stories in a romhack I've played.

[@edwardcisabella]

Thanks for remembering to explain the damage rounding for me :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

No problem!

[@mickgorro]

Nidoqueen Blaine was an occasion for a Count impression :).

[@acuwolf908]

Love Your videos and live streams!! Can I Request Hoenn Showdown??? Hoenn Rivals Zangoose vs Seviper ?!?

[@bimjimhogginz7016]

Another awesome video!! question are you going to be turning off encounters on solo play throughs or only vs videos and will you have to go back and redo runs that didn’t turn them off or do you think that won’t change the time that much? Love your content as always

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

All second playthroughs. Each encounter is roughly 3 seconds. So a terrible 15 encounter mt moon is only 45 seconds. We may need to do a tiebreak series when I complete the dex. To sort out very close sections of the Pokédex, but I don’t think overall rerankings will be required.

[@ferrugemj18]

16:24 "on nugget bridge I usually have PP on my mind..." That caught me off guard

[@MoonStaysServing]

I watched the first episode of pokemon (subtitles, dunno if they changed any of this in the dub) but I saw something I immediately had to relay to you: Ash is watching TV in the beginning, and a trainer resembling Bruno (same hair, same pants, same build, also shirtless, you don't see much besides a silhouette because it's dark) has Nidorino out against Gengar, gets hit by Hypnosis, switches to Onix, then uses... Tackle. Against a ghost. Even without the type matchup, he's carrying a move that starter pokemon get. It just felt incredibly in-character for the hiker himself.

[@888Grim]

Closer than I expected.

[@LTDextel]

One of these days I'm sure you'll see the hiker's Hitmonchan freeze and thaw out one of your Pokémon. It'll be glorious!

[@ReederMG]

Glad to see my boy Nidoking rocking it. I have fond memories of playing Gen 1 as a kid and just beating the whole game with only Nidoking because I didn't know how to use anything else

[@terras6418]

Called it. The Nidoroyality are extremely similar, both extremely new player friendly. Kidoking is slightly harder, but a bit better, while Nidoqueen is slightly more forgiving. The differences between the two are so minor that things that normally wouldn't matter truly make all the difference in a race between the two. Still, with a time as close as they got, we can all agree, the Nidoroyality are really strong.

[@ru213]

Your PP innuendos are hilarious

[@NonexistentIntellect]

I just love how Scott tells us about playing around the pp.

[@zenitfan4life]

Thank you for the content Scott. I don't think I that you should modify Mt. Moon encounters one of because of your existing rating system and two-way because by that logic just eliminate all random encounters. And then also eliminate critical hits for the same reason. But that wouls take piece of what pokemon is all about, would it not?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I disagree. Battle randomness can be accounted for with strategy. Wild encounters cannot. For instance with battles I could play around accuracy by using more accurate moves, and Pokémon with a higher base speed will have a better chance to get crits. Encounters are not created based on the Pokémon. They just show up entirely randomly and can skew results significantly when two Pokémon are this close. I’ll continue to reflect on this idea though.

[@zenitfan4life]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Thank you for your response! While I don't disagree with you, imho, if you go down to this rabbit hole then you might force yourself into the making other unnatural modifications, which in the end might force you to re-rank your entire tier list.

[@RaynmanPlays]

"On Nugget Bridge, I usually have PP on the mind." Now that's a quote.

[@bluethemew9273]

Sometimes watching these makes me wanna do the challenges myself but something as well is to try them all in later gens like Gen 4 in DP or Platinum or gen 5 where it’s difficult but long, it would be such a pain to go through some of them in all the Pokémon

[@servien9683]

I've always loved the nidos, especially queen. Glad to see them getting some love

[@supportpatriarchyordietrying]

That's why Gary likes Nidoking and Nidoqueen so much!

[@NeoGodHand]

Oak was like: “HOW DOES IT FEEL SCOTT??” The power of narcolepsy is real!

[@ProfessorWFS]

You are a huge W

[@ZombieNationLTD]

The face on Nidoqueens belly reminds me of the thing bowser rides in the last fight of super Mario world.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Who's your favourite Gen 9 pokemon so far, and why is Maushold?

[@simonb4588]

Loved the video Scott, been watching you channel for what feels like years now and I just need you to clarify... double team? When and how can this be used?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Rules in description. No using the Double Team tm until lv100. It can be used in any other way. Through mimic, or if the Pokémon learns it naturally through level up.

[@simonb4588]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon hahaha legend 🤣

[@alexdumala5400]

Yo scott, in your rankings is finishing with a lower or higher level better. Cheers

[@Deez-Master]

Woohoo a VS video :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Finally! Took me way too long to get back into them.

[@matthewhicks8203]

Man I was rooting for Nidoqueen. Oh well she got close. Also out of respect its been a while since I asked this, but where are the John Starters? Meganuim, Typphlosion and Feraligator need their day man! Oh well. Love your videos, as always. And I'm doing a play through of Pokemon Yellow right now and all your tips really help out. Keep up the good work and cant wait for the next video!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Johto starters February 2023.

[@matthewhicks8203]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Oooh! Thank you good sir. I shall stop being annoying now. 😅

[@YeahBoy1019]

That mid game move set for Nidoqueen is such a quintessential “nido-move set”: Body Slam, Earthquake, Thunderbolt, Ice beam. They are such great Pokemon with so much coverage potential and versatility!

[@Gnu_Hope]

Hi Scott, curious - would boosting Nidoqueens special help? She's already slow but not that slow and I thought it might help against Cloyster and other specially weak mon

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

With calcium? I tested it out in RBY XP router and it didn't noticeable improve key damage ranges.

[@xSugknight]

Sell-a-ton city has become a staple in your runs

[@francoistassy6664]

How do you track stats / PPs ? Does your program get it from rom memory values ? From Reading it on the screen ? I'm pretty impressed by the amount of work it represents 💪

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Gamehook collects the data in real time with signalr from Retroarch and provides it as an api for my front end to access. I process the data with javascript and then display it with an html file that hooks into obs. I didn’t know how to program when I started this project. It has been a colossal effort to make it a reality. Hundreds of hours. If not thousands.

[@VonKrauzer]

"I also usually have PP on my mind" Dangerous words if they are used out of context.

[@mahnameisj]

Dang. That was a surprising first run. I knew it was gonna be close but didn’t think the queen would be first. Great vid as always! Hoping for Ditto soon 👀👀👀 I do have a question about future runs though. Do you reckon you’ll do runs where you allow mons to have moves they normally don’t get in your usual runs? Like transfer moves in Gen 1 and egg moves in Gen 2? It would be interesting to see how much faster they can finish compared to their time with just the regular moveset

[@TheDarkFiddler]

He's done one or two! See the Abra video if you haven't!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Eventually, I don’t want to make the videos 2 hours every week though.

[@heathbrinkman3126]

Are you planning any Scarlet/Violet content? I know it would be out of your normal video style but seeing your commentary/quips on something brand new would be super cool! BTW love the versus videos and your commentary, and the overlays have gotten so good I have a hard time watching other solo or speedrun pokemon content without it

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

We will see. I’m not looking to hop on the trend, but I might post a review in January. If time permits I’d like to stream some of it.

[@heathbrinkman3126]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I wouldn't say new release content is necessarily trend-hopping, but I get what you are saying! I definitely think the videos where you get out of your comfort zone are my favorites, but I totally understand the amount of planning and effort that goes into producing an hour+ video like this, and diving into a new game would put strain on the process.

[@heathbrinkman3126]

Also a thought on a new metric: the number of control inputs. It would take away any bias for text speed, move durations like wrap or toxic, and be as close to "frame perfect" comparison you could get between 'mons

[@Harry-mf6rq]

Lord Scott!

[@RyuichiShinomori]

I always had a Nido in Pokémon yellow because the grass below Brock added them and they all learn double kick early. I think this was a balance change knowing that you were locked in getting Pikachu. I am amazed at these results because I never noticed how awful gen 1 movesets can be

[@OverworkedPostalEmployee]

Pause - Kingler as the nickname? Okay, but now the Nidoqueen needs to be named Queengler -Unpause

[@iantaakalla8180]

Nidoqueen could be called Tsareena, as a tsarina is a position equivalent to a queen.

[@andreapareti324]

21:37 actually, considering the "It's super effective!" text (and the "Hit X amount of times" text, if it were to pop up like it would in later Gens), going for Body Slam when you're guaranteed the KO is faster, so good play on that ;).

[@drewfobbe7851]

Did you know that you can evolve Pikachu with Growlithe in Red and Blue? I just learned this today and it blew my mind. I guess Growlithe shares code with Thunderstones. I wonder if there's anything we don't know about the games by now

[@SSMD999]

Will you do a 100% game run? In pokemon yellow catching all pokemon I meaning by 100%

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Maybe…

[@Nicholas86753]

May I suggest for your first VS in third Gen being Solrock VS Lunatone

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I think that will be second. Metagross vs Salamence first.