Night Lords Legion Review

[@judsonbates1359]

I absolutely love these legion specific videos to help me understand how I want to build my legion. I have yet to actually play HH but I want to be ready, and build my army with a strategy in mind. Love the content and banter.

[@spyder335]

Great video, I’ve been painting a NL army for around a year now. The latest kill team makes a pretty good terror squad.

[@heresyhammer]

Oh that Kill Team is fit!

[@goatman9998]

Just painted a night lord army in 4 days 😅😅

[@MikeJones-jn6qj]

Excellent show, as always! As a long time NL player I can highly recommend Plasma Deredeos with the Ailos Missile Launchers for the HS slot on Terror Assasult. They come in 2's, they can start dishing out damage on turn 1, the missile launcher puts out reliable pinning without the need for LoS, and they absolutely shred enemy terminators and elite infantry with the str8 rending 4+ large blasts.

[@jasonholland1892]

Great show! Thanks gents!

[@co1856]

Played NL since early on in 1.0, absolutely love the Legion. Terror Assault has always been the go to rite for theme, now its got some proper teeth in it too. I think its a little sad they've lost "ganger melee" focus elements and become a mostly shooty army, but they're good at being a scalable threat instead of outright oppressive - unless someone builds them that way. Raptors need to be a bit cheaper pm, but that's mainly due to Loyalists having some bonkers points costs for similar units. People get shitty about NL, but they're relatively balanced by comparatively expensive and poor AP specialist units, expensive wargear (purchase power weapon first and then atop for Nostramans) and some fairly hefty restrictions on Terror Assault (LOW and HS). Means it doesnt scale well without house rules above 4,000 points.

[@heresyhammer]

They seem one of the significantly more ‘thought-through’ legions for sure. Great comment

[@Sarhanle]

Gotta always kit towards night fighting. Played one Terror Assault list and night fighting was ignored by my entire army due to things like search lights and augury.

[@minusonetohit]

that devilishly handsome chap is also a bloody brilliant friend to have .

[@heresyhammer]

That’s why we all love Jon, right?

[@minusonetohit]

@@heresyhammer I can’t say

[@chrismckay1377]

As an Aussie I take that comment as a compliment. Timely as Ai am doing my Nl Legion now

[@heresyhammer]

Own it, our Antipodean brothers!

[@somerton4383]

Also Australian and building my Night Lords army. Don't tell me there's a growing theme here 😂

[@LordGrantius]

Master of Executions as Chaplain with Headmans Axe?

[@CygnusMaximusXIII]

Shred on a 2+ to wound is actually phenomenal - it reduces the chances of failure from 1/6 to 1/36, which is insane. And I don't have my book handy but, for list one, can't only 5 Recon Marines per squad take Nemesis Bolters? It'd be fine to have the sixth squad member be an ablative wound, but I'm pretty sure there is that limitation for them.

[@Mayegelt]

Unfortunately bikes and jetbikes do not get bulky. Bulky is now reserved for only infantry as it is basically just used for transport capacity, even though it is also used here

[@meatlaser]

Yeah. I always thought they would add it back in and they have not. Really makes NightLords bikes a bit Meh.

[@heresyhammer]

Does feel odd, feel unlikely that it’ll be corrected this edition now however. Even if it would be a simple thing to do.

[@hirmetrium1]

​@@heresyhammerdreadnoughts have the same issue I believe

[@OmegaIdiot]

Yea. Dreads are just so good it doesnt matter 😂​@@hirmetrium1

[@TaliaTheNeko]

Looking forward to this! Ave Dominus Nox brothers.

[@regularbear]

Hell yeah Lee! Go Bears

[@Lee-qm8fw]

🐻⬇️

[@m3lawsom]

Great episode, just a quick note for the Swift Blade - the additional HQ choices have to be Legion Centurions, they aren't eligible to take consul upgrades

[@medheadful]

It says in the rules that they CAN take consul choices bro.

[@tav5771]

The lack of bulky special rule on things like bikes and speeders is definitely an oversight and I encourage people to email the GW rules team about it so they include the change in the next faq. This includes also dreadnoughts, which are not vehicles nor are bulky and therefore count as 1 single model for the outnumbered rule, whih is a bit sad

[@heresyhammer]

Does feel odd, feel unlikely that it’ll be corrected this edition now however. Even if it would be a simple thing to do.

[@LordGrantius]

For the Escaton Power Claw, can I use Shred to fish for Murderous Strike?

[@heresyhammer]

Not really, Shred only allows you to re-roll failed To Wound rolls, so you're only going to be able to re-roll 1's against anything up to Toughness 6.

[@LordGrantius]

@@heresyhammer pity!

[@judsonbates1359]

I am new so forgive me but why do I have it in my head that there is a NL unit that can take a two handed power axe? Am I thinking of a headsman? Is there such a unit?

[@heresyhammer]

I mean it sounds pretty cool, but don't believe it's a thing. The Headsman's axe is a two handed axe so that's probably what you're thinking of, but I don't know of any units that can all be equipped with it, just Character sub-types.

[@judsonbates1359]

@@heresyhammer I found what I was thinking of. The Atramentar Trucidor may take “The Headsman’s Axe” which has the two handed special ability? But, in reality, it’s just a one handed power axe, correct? I am new again, so I apologize. But this means I cannot build the Trucidor with a two handed axe because it doesn’t exist?

[@somerton4383]

​@@judsonbates1359 not sure what you mean? The Trucidor can take a headsman's axe, which is 2 handed 🙂

[@Swarzyc]

Spatha is a long (longer than gladius) sword used by Roman cavalry.

[@heresyhammer]

Every day is a school day

[@Cyriuxa]

About to get spooky

[@heresyhammer]

Spooktacularly spooky

[@aidenodonoghue]

NL are such a laugh. I love how they play like the fluff.

[@heresyhammer]

They’re an army you can have an awful lot of fun with

[@aidenodonoghue]

@@heresyhammer you can see how much fun ye had just reading the rules even. Fun without being 40k fucking goofy

[@Gromlock]

Hell yeah, the good one

[@heresyhammer]

Good as in bad?

[@warpeye]

Did you Gents make a "new" # for instagram to find new posts, or was that just me that got that part wrong in a other show? As always great show!

[@heresyhammer]

We haven't decided on a # yet, we'll let you know as soon as we do 💪

[@jeffers1985]

A legion that you can easily play top tier or play with non competitive units against weaker legions and still have fun

[@tosdi227]

last time i used Kheron ophion his rolle was beasicly a meltabomb suizide charge witch sugzided and afther this he weathered the shoting of a leviathan dreadnaught :D

[@MrMichcio22]

Ave Dominus Nox!

[@jw7500]

Nice timing, almost Halloween. Having said that, besides Atramentar (this unit is a bit of a mess), their units are actually pretty good. If only Night Raptors were like 60 points cheaper for 10. Terror Assault is insane though. Night fighting is such a kick in the balls if your army is not designed to play around it.

[@heresyhammer]

Spooky month was planned! Still got spooky wizards and deamon robots from Mars to come before Haloween....

[@johncarlson9117]

If you think bikes missing bulky is crazy, take a look at land speeders. They count as 1 too!

[@heresyhammer]

Could have sworn Javelins were Bulky 4 but you're right!

[@jiveturky3000]

O shit the best legion gets its own review

[@heresyhammer]

Finally!

[@mersenniusprime]

The main point of Curze is keeping you from screwing yourself over. You are not immune to your own night fighting, and nobody wants to spend the points to put prey sight on assault and despoiler squads - until they fail morale because of night fighting. Curze thought this through already, so he's really just looking out for you. Also, units run the lowest initiative of the unit, which makes Curze extremely hard to put into a unit. Jump units are limited to 16" with move+run, which can actually meaningfully hurt his mobility. I think he's probably best off running solo in an extremely high aggro list where "shoot everything at the primarch" may not be a good strategy. On the bright side, he is so idiotically fast that he can start the game in a unit, outrun them, and rejoin another unit down the board. Alternately, if you want the most hilariously sub-optimal strategy ever, you can take a terror squad with a rhino, disembark from it, then have Curze sprint down the board and embark. There is absolutely no compelling reason to do this, other than to subsequently have him tank shock every turn until someone blows up his rhino. It makes me wish that fear extended outside of vehicles.

[@_the_eversor_lad_]

What I quite like to do with NL is having Curze running around solo since he's fast and add in some night raptors and perhaps some heavy support for shooting. Obviously one or two dreadnoughts are a must this edition. You can add in Sevatar in a unit of terminators just to clear enemy characters and smaller enemy units. Stay away from enemy death starts, NL can't take on something like SoH terminators with Horus in close combat, damage output is just not enough. Ambush enemy units you know you can take down quickly and avoid staying stationary for too long, always keep your army moving, NL are pretty fast, should not be an issue.

[@Red2Productions]

Shows great I really enjoyed it…

[@heresyhammer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@LordGrantius]

The Curze primarch novel is also quite bonkers. Hes quite mad, you see

[@heresyhammer]

I think the Primarch novels, by and large, are overlooked

[@LordGrantius]

@heresyhammer 100%. Some I think missed the mark - with respect to fellow Canadian David Annandale, the Guilliman book did a great job showing the tension some legions had about Destroyers, it did not really do Guilliman justice. The Curze and Alpharius books however wowed me. Thank you!

[@UntiltedName]

I don't think it's possible to have a game with a NL player without hearing the Atramentar whine lol.

[@DirtyMardi]

Yeah, it’s pretty stupid. Contekar are supposed to be the elite atramentar. And you can still put a warmonger warlord in atramentar squad and hit on 3s if you charge a unit already locked in combat. You don’t necessarily even need to take any hits with that atramentar unit.

[@heresyhammer]

Cry babies, the lot of them! 😭 😭😭and then they shiv you in the gut

[@meatlaser]

YEssss

[@meatlaser]

One of the most fun legions I have ever played

[@Jackalos1]

Unfortunately, you can't make the other HQs Heralds with the Swift Blade rite of war as it explicitly calls for Centurions.

[@medheadful]

It specifically says you CAN. They MAY take a consularis choice.

[@Jackalos1]

@@medheadful Oops... You're quite right. Probably some residual bitterness from company command squads not having that luxury!

[@heresyhammer]

Trust Medders to get pedantic

[@jeffers1985]

If you play mournival, chain glaives andbthe axes are wsy cheaper. Chain glaives are vicious on a raptor squad, i take 5 in a 10 man squad

[@cerrilove700]

hot take - Night Raptors do everything Dark Furies do but better for the same points and yet everyone praises Furies but puts Night Raptors down

[@n0hesitati0n15]

I can think of a few reason Furies get more praise than Night Raptors. 1) Furies are not fighting for an already highly competitive Elite slot. 2) Furies @ 10 man have 3 sergeants comes to 305 points. Night Raptors @ 10 man max lightning claws comes to 410 points. Though the NR squad have a higher a WS. 3) Furies have Raven’s Talons that comes with +2 attacks (1 for paired weapons, 1 for Raven’s Talons) and Rending 5+, while Night Raptors have basic Lightning Claws. However, Night Raptors come with fear 1, Bloody Murder, and Skirmish which is baller for mincing chaff. Rending 5+ at Initiative 5 (+1 for Sudden Strike) is crazy good for Elite Hunting, sniping out HQ or attached units. I could be missing out something so I would love to hear your opinions

[@DirtyMardi]

@@n0hesitati0n15I think the thing about furies is the 3 sergeants and precision strikes, but mostly the cost. They just go so well in decapitation strike, but I wouldn’t throw them against termies on their own.

[@НикитаТракторист-ы1ф]

Night raptors great bodyguard curze

[@LysimedVenteel]

Night Raptors can be nasty as hell when you aren’t taking a very elites-heavy list

[@_the_eversor_lad_]

​@@НикитаТракторист-ы1ф not really, Curze slows them down to much

[@marcoghiotti7153]

Unfortunately one of my least favourite legions, lore and aestethics wise. Regardless, nice to learn how they function and interact.