Is this the END?【Switch】｜While I'm making Coffee #11

Is this the end for physical media? Have cartridges become glorified plastic DRM? Will Switch receive a backlash as a result?
Let me know in the comments :)
[Edit: Apparently Warner Bros. issued a statement saying that download isn't required to play the cartridge version?? What do you think? Was it a misunderstanding? Or are they reacting to the backlash?]

[@iangray2275]

Game explain just made a video saying that download is NOT required for the lego game

[@NihongoGamer]

oh! er...well that's good news :)

[@ivanramos1809]

The Cringey Gamer To play it. We still don't know if you can fully play it.

[@Ahmedbohamad]

The Cringey Gamer FYI the main source is Eurogamer www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-28-fans-have-noticed-something-odd-about-lego-city-undercover-on-switch#comments

[@shtiken]

NihongoGamer Still though doesn't explain why the box says "Internet required" and mentions a large download. In any case, I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet regarding cartridges, especially since you've got other much bigger Switch games fully on cartridge (Like Dragon Quest Heroes 1+2).

[@shadowledastray]

I can't help but wonder if this may be an error on the box, perhaps a carry-over from other console versions that may require 13 gigs of space to install Lego City. Hopefully this is the case, as all its gonna take is one company going the cheap route with the smallest size Switch card that will require downloading the rest of the game... If that happens (without a backlash), then the floodgates will be open for any and every publisher to go with the smallest card size possible, forcing you to download the remaining 2/3rds of their game. Switch cards will then become nothing more than a glorified install-disc. I'd like to think that won't happen.

[@MutatedGuy]

We don't need bigger games but finished games instead.

[@NihongoGamer]

+Tyler Holt This!

[@LobotomizedLogan]

NihongoGamer hi

[@AJapaneseDream]

As a game developer I see both sides. Ive seen teams stick to deadlines to ship a game no matter if its done or not if the players are demanding its release on time. This results in a half baked potatoe and shit experience / awful review / flame wars. But I have also seen teams that refuse to ship games until they are done and the players bitch all the way to the release but immediately after playing it praise the devs for waiting and doing it properly. In short.. basically it depends on the company and their financial targets for the year. And that sucks. And also why I respect the companies that "ship it when it's done"

[@hunterwilliams4925]

Not all DLC were part of the original game. That's something many gamers forget. But do developer's release unfinished games? Short answer, yes.

[@gelmir7322]

This anti-cartridge/anti-physical media trend is a way to make consumers entirely dependent on third party corporation as it offers many money-making advantages 1. It helps combat piracy by locking the game intialization, fix, patches, transfer, etc... under the approval of the third party provider. 2. Justify unfinished products under the guise of "DLC" and extended/alternate scenarios 3. Help facilitates microtransactions options 4. Stop second hand retailing. 5. Dynamic and targetted advertising 6. Consumers information and Data-mining opportunity 7. Reduce cost on physical media and all its supports (logistics, packaging, warehouses, delivery etc)

[@JimAlgar]

Having just stumbled onto your content, the coffee videos are all I've seen so far, and I'm loving the format!

[@NintendoGuru]

I love these videos! Keep them coming. :)

[@diegopenya9349]

Watching from Guatemala, drinking Guatemalan coffee 😅

[@NihongoGamer]

+Diego Arrivi That's pretty awesome!

[@corgikun2579]

Diego Arrivi could you say "Guatemala Antigua" means something like "Old Guatemala-style" coffee?

[@luisherrera8983]

its a city, it isthe old place where the invadors put the capital, now the capital its in another place, so this placs left out with the name as antigua guatemala, because it mean a lot for the people at that time, something in the guatemala s history that they didnt want to forget, im from guatemala too.

[@diegopenya9349]

MyMajesty CorgiKun Antigua used to be Central America's capital, it was almost completely destroyed by earthquakes, so the capital was relocated to Guatemala city in 1776. Now Antigua is one of the tourist hotspots in the country, with lots of history, old architecture, great restaurants, coffee shops and a mix of indigenous and Hispanic cultures.

[@user-md7zm3xq6e]

The wall mart metaphore was hilarious. Always enjoy your editorial videos.

[@joshuaporter2875]

Awesome Video Really Enjoyed Watching. Love the format.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

I love everything about your content! Keep doing you!

[@keepmymindpreoccupied2892]

man I love it when u make coffee I'll pretty much listen to u talk about anything if you're grinding up coffee beans.

[@jay8202]

4:52 Visual ASMR

[@corgikun2579]

LetoZeth gfys

[@captainskidz488]

Jay Lennard yes 😰

[@miikeniike09]

dude i love your videos! keep it up!

[@Robotlovesme]

Love your coffee videos. The music was very FFXV **i approve**

[@ConraDargo]

I really should make it a habit to have coffee whenever I'm watching these :3 Also, thanks for sharing your opinion on this matter! And for sharing your coffee-making 8)

[@T1ger01]

Laughed hard at your Jeopardy story. I would have lost it, if that had been me opening that game. :)

[@BlastingKyogre]

I love when you put the water in the tea bag, put background music, and talk

[@KamiKitsuneVA]

If physical media died, then I think I would too. I hate digital media SO MUCH! I'd rather have the physical copy so I can put it on my shelf so it can join the rest of my collection.

[@fightnight14]

Prussian_Kamikaze All digital means our future is screwed in terms of collecting games. That sucks

[@masteroogway3816]

Prussian_Kamikaze I fucking hate digital

[@Saroku1000]

the orignal point of physical media was to make it possible to deliver the media to the user. Which is nowadays possible by storing them in the storage of the system, so physical media is obsolete.

[@xXFilmFreakXx]

Agreed

[@hunterwilliams4925]

+Prussian_Kamikaze Your collection is wasting resources

[@ChillaxPax]

I feel the same with DLC and the requirement to download games even when you have the disk inserted on other consoles It's frustrating, I don't want to fully switch (heh) to digital

[@JordiPower]

You know what PISSES ME OFF REAL BAD? The fact that the Switch doesn't store save data on the cartridge! 😡😡😡😡 I loved that for Game Boy games, SNES games, DS and 3DS games! Why Nintendo? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!??? 😔😔😔😔😭😭😭😭 If I want to take my game and play it on another console, I want to be able to continue, without the need of Internet, or transferring data, or syncing anything, or having to put my damn Nintendo account into another console! Oh by the way, cool vid, mate! 👌😉

[@TheSpaceking12]

JordiPower probably has to do with data constraints. At 32 gig these cards are by far the largest ever used in a console before. It could honestly just be a case of space constraints by means of the carts for factor. In this case perhaps going for something a bit higher probably would have helped.

[@antoniopedro6273]

JordiPower I guess that's a cost reduction measure. Traditionally cartridges used to have a Read Only memory sector to store game data, and a smaller Writable Flash memory to store save data. It's more complex to manufacture cartridges with two types of memory, and supposedly more costly as well. The Nintendo Switch cartridges feature an unprecedented high amount of Read Only memory, with some carts reaching​ up to 32GB. Including so much Read Only memory is already costly as it is, if they included some additional Writeable Flash memory it would make the carts prohibitely expensive to the point of discouraging third party developers from releasing Switch ports of their games. In fact we are already seeing cases of Switch ports having a higher price than on competing platforms, and the AAA games only keep the $60 price parity because Nintendo is enforcing their old $60 price cap for games. The Lego City Undercover cartridge drama was revealed to be a misunderstanding, as the game publisher (Warner Bros) confirmed that the game doesn't require any download in order to be played, but the media coverage and consumer backlash may pressure other publishers to think twice before trying to use this scummy tactic.

[@Jaricko]

That isn't that bad. I know this is something that sounds good but cartridges had a flaw in the save system it previously used. Over time batteries within the cartridges would die, messing up the cartridges save function. In addition it could only really save a finite number of times. Your old pokemon yellow, blue and red cartridges don't work anymore, and require a bit of know-how + soldering + a new battery to get back up and running.

[@liambrittain9497]

AHHH emojis express everything

[@RubenDarioFilmmaker]

Just found the channel. Really great content!

[@MidnightGeekSS]

There is something really satisfying in having the physical media with you. The boxes of the same size and different covers shows the games you have slowly collected over time and it is nice to feel like you "own" the game rather than fear it be lost forever if "something" goes wrong be it with your console or the system/digital platform of your choice.

[@cookieIxcot]

Is actually Antigua Guatemala awesome videos recentlyt subscribe and so glad that you are driking our coffe!!! A big hug from Guatemala!! :D :D :D

[@MisticoKong215]

Wow that's mess up from Walmart , Awesome video NihongoGamer

[@g44r4dd7]

Nihongo the devs didnt want to get buy bigger cartridges , its not a matter of it fitting , it was because the devs were lazy, even the digital download requires the extra download

[@NihongoGamer]

download requires download?! eShop inception...

[@g44r4dd7]

+NihongoGamer basicly xD, the eshop version is the same size of the cartridge, so yeah extra download needed u.u

[@duketogo1300]

That still makes no sense. Were they just rushing it out the door? I feel carts have a higher expectation to be complete than disc media. It bothers me that the Nintendo Seal of Quality would allow such a game on their system, and I can't remember a time when I doubted a cart on their handhelds being complete. This seems more a turning point for Nintendo quality than anything else.

[@g44r4dd7]

+duketogo1300 That seems too far fetched to think its Nintendo's Fault, rather than to think its the devs fault trying to cut down the production cost, because the game is 20 gbs heavy, the cartridges support much more than that, its more of a greedy act from the developers, trying to pin this on Nintendo seems too far fetched as of now, but is totally plausible :/ , yet its too early to make heads roll

[@duketogo1300]

+Oscar Concepcion My point was more about precedent than blame. We've seen releases from Warner with problems before (Arkham Origins PC), and before that the PC had seen plenty of sloppy releases. I grew up with NES-era Nintendo, a control freak, who ultimately protected the customer from publishers' sloppy release decisions. If this was avoidable with LCU, standards should've been enforced.

[@LuicfersLust666]

Man i couldn't wait to see you post a Video, and i was not disappointed, i'd like to see more Traveling In Japan videos, also... I'd be interesting to see you use two cameras one focused on you and the other focused on your surroundings. I'm not sure what I'm really asking for but. I await your next Video. Chao!

[@NihongoGamer]

I'll be posting some more travel stuff once it's warms up! Japan is still kinda freezing cold >_

[@LuicfersLust666]

NihongoGamer Ahh Lol from CA forget its still Winter in sum places. Nice ! Take care looking forward next video!

[@MasterStacona]

Less than 32GB cartridges are cheaper than the Xbone and PS4 game discs, 64GB is slightly more, 128 GB+ is where the price starts super inflating So the Lego game is they wanted to make more money from Switch owners with a 8GB game card instead of just buying a 32GB card

[@stephblackcat]

Are these prices for the NMROMcarts Nintendo is using? Cause the math looks more like you are making the same mistake NG is and thinking they are using FRAM which they aren't.

[@MariaRodriguez-hb4ix]

But even the cheapest ones have to cost more than a dollar to developers . Because Nintendo licenses them . This means they can sell them at any price they want to developers . Most probably anything over 8 Gb cost to developers over $5 . Largest ones could cost $10 .

[@pixiestardust69]

MasterStacona Currently you can buy a 128gb micro sd card for $32-$40. Last time I checked xbox and ps4 games were $60

[@lanceseaman88]

MasterStacona that has nothing to do with disc cost it's development cost. if a publisher had to pay 40$ per cartridge you'd be looking at $80-$100 games maybe more.

[@MelBoonchan]

Can u explain how to fix wifi connections because when I try to connect to the internet it can connect to the wifi server but not the internet

[@allanmontenegro455]

Hello, your channel is great. Do you live in Japan, right? Do you know right now where is possible to find Nintendo Switch in Tokyo? A friend is in Tokyo this week and I asked him to buy a Switch, but he said that it's very hard to find Nintendo Switch... Do you have some recommendation, please?

[@Atomsk7991]

Oh! Your jeopardy story reminded me of a Walmart story I have. When I got my first Vita (from Walmart) I had been using if for a day and noticed the touch screen always freaked out when you tried to use it. So the next day I had returned it and bought another at Target. So I was at Walmart a few days later and SAW MY VITA BACK INSIDE THE DISPLAY CASE. I knew it was mine by the tear I made on the box on accident. Plus it was taped shut. I had specifically told them it was defective!

[@NihongoGamer]

+Riley Wallllllllmart

[@databug_]

It got so intense I was hoping you’d take a sip. But valid points nonetheless. I agree that “it should just work” out of the box.

[@josephcobb6228]

Ok no more arrows plz

[@caye3557]

THIS MAN DESERVES MORE SUBS

[@jadenpearl10]

Bro your awesome I am excited to get the Nintendo switch soon you inspire me bro keep doing what you doing 🤘🤘👌

[@mechashadow]

I literally lmaoed at the ending. That was such a great story and yeah the shopkeeps never know the nitty gritty just how to maintain stock.

[@Rebelnightwolfe]

Come for the video. Stay to watch coffee being made.

[@22sk24]

This is silly to ask but i dont know... when you are updating a game(dlc, fixes, etc) in ps4 or xbox the content is on the hard disk right? But on the switch goes to the cartridge? Or to the system drive or to the external sd? Plz answerr

[@ThePunisherPI]

I don't have a Nintendo Switch and this is the first time I heard about the games needing internet and I now can't find anything about it. So, is what he is saying here true, do you need the internet to download the rest of the game or it won't be complete?

[@ibarzabal]

I just read an article on Polygon saying that the Publisher explained that the announcement that the physical version would require a download is incorrect.

[@adrianfernandez7458]

I was a nervous wreck watching you poor water into you cup while the switch is sitting right behind it!

[@evernals]

Thumbnail made me think you would taste the cartridge

[@andoviak8747]

Great Video!

[@cristianolvera2360]

Where can I get that coffee mug?

[@raymondpatrick3334]

just kidding about the coffee thing nice video and awesome coffee making style I not used to seeing that seems old school and looks like it would taste better

[@jaricgregory4483]

dude u remind me of an addict prepping his dope needle with that coffee

[@SpaceGuy861]

why is watching him makeing his coffee while talking about nintendo VERY satifying

[@Kikimimi545]

I love your stuff on various levels. I love review videos of games, I'm a coffee fanatic, and I'm Japanese but grew up abroad and so I speak English better than I do Japanese. I really encourage you to get deeper into the art of coffee and I say this because I love your stuff and support you. 1. get an airtight 1-way coffee bean canister, not your Ziploc nonsense. 2. get an electric Burr grinder, which will provide much more control and precision to grind. 3. weigh your beans before you grind and weigh and time as you pour thay coffee, so you have consistency. 4. pour hot water through the filter before you put in grinds so that it eliminates paper taste.

[@natedotcom8951]

You should totally make this a podcast

[@pg2990]

I laughed when I heard where the coffee was from. Greetings from Guatemala 😁

[@NihongoGamer]

+Gomern X Greetings!

[@lrdalucardart]

Well I mean, now a days having no internet, is like living in a house without electricity , water or gas.

[@vastneon]

What do you do for work, if i may ask?

[@patricklantin1984]

Well turns out the FULL game is on the cartridge...

[@KuhWristChin]

In the future, when that jeopardy becomes rare and will be worth a lot of money because it is rare... o.o

[@travisschaefer7850]

OMG that Walmart story is LOL worthy!

[@dezoqwerty]

Briliant video!!!

[@definitivamenteno-malo7919]

LWA mug? You are a good gentleman and should have eternal life

[@yarisTSk]

good that you adress this !

[@TurboPikachu]

I just noticed NihongoGamer has my exact Apple Watch configuration ♥

[@mythikbeast6404]

The box was probably an oversight from the disc varieties and got misprinted.

[@gilbertcastillo9037]

finally you made a video your like my first youtuber

[@natekahlil5659]

Gilbert Castillo your like my my first youtuber

[@fordcliffy]

Great video thanks

[@KanalDerGutenSache]

I can't focus on what you are saying while watching that ASMR coffee

[@hikaru9624]

I agree that THE FULL GAME should be on the cartridge and only the dlc/extra data should be on the sd card (and thank you for showing us how to make coffee!XD)

[@shanedulrich]

I'm curious about the culture of physical vs. digital download culture in Japan vs other regions, especially given what you mentioned in your latest video with the Switch soft pouch about being very crowded and not wanting to bother people by shuffling through things while on the train and the value of carrying as little as possible. I would love to see a While I'm Making Coffee video on this topic. By the way, I live in the US Pacific NW and I am a firm believer in both physical media and the value of the 2nd hand games market. It really bothers me that there are loads of games now that you simply can't buy physical copies of. I understand that for virtual console, but other than that, I wish there was a physical option for all other games. I know that many smaller and indie devs prefer digital only because it's more accessible to them and they don't have the cost of cartridges to account for. Come to think of it, maybe this is part of why the cost of cartridges are being passed on to us for games by smaller devs/publishers... they have to do a digital option because more people will buy the game that way, but if they want a physical release, they have to buy the cartridges, and since they won't sell as many copies, they can't get as significant a bulk discount as a bigger publisher can for a guaranteed hit (especially since they will/would sell even fewer physical copies since they are releasing digitally to reach a wider market), so those carts cost more for them and they can't justify writing off that cost.

[@jinkuchiri]

coming because clickbait, staying because of the coffee making..

[@SenelsChannel]

A game where you need to look at the manual for the questions. Gee doesn't this sound familiar (**cough** Bible Buffet)

[@andikamichael]

hey Nihongo, did you go to AnimeJapan 2017?

[@SlowerIsFaster139]

Just a question: a cartridge is a cartridge right, there is no change in memory? So if you are a developer you can buy cheaper cartridges with less memory to save money. Or say a nintendo switch card can always hold the same amount of memory (no matter what the game)

[@asboll]

Is it a good anti-piracy measure?

[@jomon324]

absol_89 let's put it this way: NOTHING will EVER be a good anti-piracy measure. Even if you're not religious, the bible verses about not gathering the fallen wheat from where you missed harvesting and letting the poor have it is the way to go. People are gonna pirate regardless of status, so the only way to have it go away is to garner company with good morality as its core. If piracy isn't seen as edgy, that's when it'll stop. There's so many factors that go into it.

[@mathew633man]

What in the world are you talking about to defend piracy? If you don't have money, then you don't get to enjoy it. Like everything else in life, stealing is wrong. Don't steal. It's a common sense. A common rule shared by every culture and country. Piracy is wrong. Fucking pay for it or get a job.

[@BlazeBluetm35]

He isn't defending piracy, he's stating that nothing will stop piracy, in the digital media at least, there will always be a flaw for people to exploit in order to crack that product. Why do they crack the software in the first place? Because they can and it's fun :D. Some people don't want to miss out on a piece of entertainment just because it's not available in their country or because it's out of their price range, i know people who work and barely have enough to live from yet they want to relax playing new games. It's puzzling i know, you'd say "Well then, why won't he get better work?" but from there it gets complicated, maybe he's in a shitty country where he can't or maybe he has other problems, who knows.

[@jomon324]

Blaze Rom exactly. Digimon World Next 0rder in "english" on the PS Vita for example. You can't have that unless you have the SEA version of the game AND you rip the game to your console and apply a patch to unlock the english text stored in the game's data. "Just play it on your TV," you say. "PAH!" I respond, "I don't own a TV, nor do I want one. This is why I bought the Vita version in the first place." There's a lot more to piracy than "stealing." The switch on/off cartridge debacle will likely lead to people making compiled versions of the games so that even after people buy the game, they just go on some forum and streamline the process by downloading the full game to their PC and then transferring it to the switch, cutting out the middle man of having an install time.

[@thuggie1]

read only memory is not that expensive these companies are just pulling a fast one

[@JohnvanCapel]

The whole thing with Lego City Undercover was a result of the boxes being misprinted, IIRC. I think they had data from one of the other platforms on there, where it does require a download to be able to play the game.

[@CrawlinUKGames]

Remember that an update is (most of the time) optional, but for me the problem here is "lastability". If you can't play it in 20 years from now, then it didn't last very well.

[@Awesm0e]

You say day1 updates are normal.. and they are I guess.. but they really shouldn't be :( Also that coffee was beautiful.

[@mourossonero]

Good video Nihongo Gamer, the Nintendo Switch cartridges stuff is confusing and I hope we get traditional cartridges most of the time like Zelda. The jeopardy stuff was kinda funny, I felt bad for the ppl that bought it :/

[@epicsteve6548]

Don't really understand why this is a big thing. We've had to essentially download the full game since the Ps3 and XBox 360. That's why when you first get the game you have to wait for a "system update " before playing it.

[@pikaijzer]

C A R T R I D G E > D I S C

[@saysoun752]

Epic Steve That's because the optical drive can't read the data off of the disc fast enough. That's the reason why all the games had to be downloaded and installed before you can play them. With a cartridge, the game can be played straight from the cartridges without having to download anything.

[@epicsteve6548]

Say Soun Okay thanks! I did not know that.😃

[@GreenPizza577]

i think the agent that makes games bitter is where the extra cast is coming from

[@JK-xz1lt]

Jeopardy! 😂😂😂 I remember that one!

[@TheReptain]

why they dont make gamecube cds for the switch, i mean thats small and cool as well

[@TroyYouTube]

made me make a pot of coffee.

[@DigitalMonsters]

OMG! That Little Witch Academia mug

[@eckojerry]

I came here for the Switch and left with a hankering for some Guatemalan coffee! ☕️

[@Aleexannderr]

I don't think physical games will ever go away, people like to have something to hold and collect

[@itsTheCurry]

please no empty cartridges, just give me a case with a download code then

[@Monsterism]

UPDATE 2.30pm: Lego City Undercover publisher Warner Bros. has provided us with this short statement on the game's cartridge version, which suggests you will be able to play without downloading anything. "Players who purchase Lego City Undercover on Nintendo Switch at retail do not need to download the game to play," a company spokesperson told us. We're still no clearer why the game's box states it requires an internet connection, or 13GB of storage, but the suggestion here perhaps is that at least some of the game is playable without downloading. We've contacted Warner Bros. again for further clarification.

[@SoulDesignerful]

Hey nihong, have you tried some brazilean coffe?

[@doomtomb3]

Put your cartridge in the coffee grinder

[@lanceseaman88]

They actually were going to have the digital versions be cheaper but that'll drive stores away from wanting to carry the physical coffee which could be very bad.

[@steadywolf2000]

Where'd you get the Little Witch mug? >_>

[@NihongoGamer]

+SteadyWolf2000 I got into special event collab cafe in Japan where they sold limited edition goods :)

[@steadywolf2000]

NOOOOO, lol thanks for the reply though.

[@oz968]

at 5:06 what's the piano song!?!?

[@richieb74]

How do you store your coffee?

[@NihongoGamer]

+richieb74 Plastic zipper bags in the fridge :)

[@raymondpatrick3334]

thanks man you made my coffee taste nasty

[@hesa_jigalo]

you could have played right out of the box. I got mine and right after drove to a coffee shop so I could be 'that guy' playing BotW

[@tylordefevers9325]

If you havnt already, you need to take this up with nintendo themself. You have a very good point

[@antoniogomez82]

Cool you have coffe from antigua, Guatemala 🇬🇹, shoutouts from México 🇲🇽

[@GreyHell241]

That is definitely a good point. I can see this being a problem for the early adopters, say in like a 6 months the regular consumer could be at approaching that moment where they would have to do Switch Roulette with their SD cards and the game they want to play. I can see Nintendo easily fixing this issue when they do a bundled release or something. According to a breakdown video the on-board memory is not permanently soldered to the unit. I think the early buyers definitely will be experiencing the 'Switch like it were a Kickstarter program; ambiguous promises in the initial announcement, vague detailing on when the system will be at it's peak performance.

[@NihongoGamer]

+Adam Mckenn Switch definitely has a bit of a kickstarter feel to it. Lots of vague promises, very few confirmed release dates and many surprises both pleasant and less so

[@KamSmitty]

A Switch ad played before the vid.

[@baratacom]

Small coffee hax for you: pour some boiling/hot water into your mug and then throw it out before you pour the coffee, this way the mug is hot and doesn't lower your coffee's temperature and makes for a better (and longer enduring) experience.

[@hrtbrkd]

[°| Switch |｡] a much better ascii art? Love your vids Nihongo. I also love saying Nihongo for some reason.

[@andoviak8747]

Dude I wish I had enough energy like you after I drink coffee

[@Mayusuuchan]

Please rinse the filter first with hot water to warm the brewer and get rid of papery taste. And also grind it finer about medium size. You'll get a great cup of coffee

[@warrior_mtl4895]

Because of you i want coffee