"Niji Vtubers Being Treated As Second Class Citizens..." | Dokibird Addresses Nijisanji Situation

[@ZeroSpawn47]

So, what I get out of this is basically, Sajam: "I don't know what the rules are. Hey Doki and Victoria, is there a problem?" Doki: "No." Victoria: "No." Sajam: "Cool." Nijisisters: "Doki bad!'

[@RobertStoll]

Nijisanji "VERY MUCH YES. DON'T LET THEM EVEN BREATH THE SAME AIR"

[@rangath]

It's more like: Sajam: "Hey Vivi and Doki you two are invited/accepted into the event." Sajam: "Hey Doki, want to kick out Vivi because of your problems with Niji?" Doki: "No, let her play it wasn't her fault." Or: Sajam: "Hey Doki, is there a problem? I can kick out Vivi for you." Doki: "No, let her play it wasn't her fault." I fully blame Sajam/event organizer/person in charge for this. Why not first make sure everything is ok before inviting/accepting people into your event.

[@OneThingRealQuick]

@@rangath “Why not first make sure everything is ok before inviting/accepting people into your event.”. That’s what they did. Sajam talks with people to see if there’s anyone they’re not comfortable being around and if they don’t want to be at the same event or separated or whatever makes them comfortable.

[@ShiroganeKaiser]

​@@rangath So you haven't seen Sajam's clip before commenting this bs? LOL. He already explained and he DID asked both parties on how they will do it before finalizing it.

[@rangath]

@@OneThingRealQuick ah I see. If he asked them both the same thing then I don’t see any problems.

[@KDannXII]

Nijisisters acting like Nijisanji is not the reason Niji vtubers can't be seen near Doki.

[@aPopcap]

Nah, definitely not held under a guillotine of suspension and termination at even the slight allusion to her

[@HyattHyatt3179]

But can't you see how it's all Doki's fault? She totally manipulated the poor Niji underdogs and now they can't even go near her without public issues. Don't be like this, obviously her attempt was an attempt at making Niji look bad and is coming from a place of hate rather than desperation. She also totally rigged the game. I'm being sarcastic, but these are all arguments out there and it's insane how they can go off on Doki for simply explaining the situation when Niji are the ones who blacklisted her

[@toms7219]

Never underestimate the Nijisisters' unique ability, even among communities that follow VTubers of all things, to so completely dissociate from reality.

[@Konpikopon]

Also they act like Vivi is allowed to talk about what her company did due to NDA. Plus Nijisisters loves to speculate things once they notice that the two won't be able to interact in the same event and will blame Doki for it. It's best that Doki is being transparent (smth that Niji cant do properly) than let them go wild with their imagination

[@nhan27.]

the fact they gaslighted about her previous life past to made her look bad say alot about them as person

[@TheThedead09]

NijiSisters continuing to prove why they are so heavily disliked

[@BeyondDaX]

Pretty much

[@pholrakchantaratcharoen4563]

Just like all those "protesters" shown on KZbin and TV these days.

[@itssweet2125]

shut up

[@muufle]

​@@pholrakchantaratcharoen4563 The fuck does that have to do with anime people drama

[@ls200076]

​@@muufleragebait

[@plug-intypeasacoco]

Leave it to the NijiSisters to be offended over nothing.

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

Both defensive and offended. Which way Nijisisters?

[@w1nther930]

@@PlaystationTaxation69999 Down. The yacht sinking

[@irvancrocs1753]

Of course it all started with a tweet from Bint (@NBinted) lol, that fake Mint fan has been deranged since Selen's termination and since then using Mint's name as his shield, his tweets are hilarious tho if you want to see how badly damaged he is 😂 Also to "much surprise", he is online 24 hours on twitter as well, who can guess right...

[@BeyondDaX]

​@@w1nther930 It'll only sink when Kuzuha leaves but we can laugh at them along the way

[@dsan17]

With how vile and small brained nijifans are, Doki should've also known better. She should've ended at the part where she said that they'll be in different skill brackets and different teams. No need to stir the pot.

[@zonkodraw3480]

"And sorry but I don't and never have shared the victim side of life side of her, yeah she broke the rules and even had a document with several detaisl of livers recollected without their consent" How quickly the Niji-sisters forget how management shared private court documents with Elira, Vox an Ike: WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF DOKI.

[@aPopcap]

If it weren’t for nijisanji, none of it would have even been public, they dragged it out of the shadows, never mind that she had no intent to defame anyone, but then they kept trying to have the last word on the matter

[@tux789]

Wtf are they talking about details without their concent? Legal names are used for legal documents... that kinda how that works.

[@lemao2222]

Pffff, imagine needing a harasser's consent to have their harassment documented. Doki doesn’t NEED their consent, it’s a legal document with her account of events involving the mistreatment she suffered at that company. However, They NEEDED HERS to release said document to anyone outside the legal teams. And yet they did. AnyColor is lucky they didn’t release any medical records contained in her documents, that would’ve been a HIPAA violation and that is a serious offense.

[@shib5267]

it wasn't a private court document. According to Doki they did agree to keep it secret, so it still looks bad

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

​@@tux789doki shared a document intended for specifically legal or administrative staff, and niji shared it with people that were for the most part uninvolved and talked about the document publically (thus admitting the document was shared). Like, if you had a job and sent a document to your boss or to hr, maybe a medical document like a doctors note that may detail some of your medical issues for example, but then your boss or hr decided to share your document with your coworkers and then your coworkers publically told everyone they saw it and thought you were a bad person. It's kind of a bad move.

[@41dyn]

I'm glad that the organizers asked Doki if she was comfortable. It's also nice to hear how considerate she was thinking about Victoria despite the way the company treated her. Queen behavior.

[@jonesinator47]

More like Empress behavior

[@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576]

Is it…really “queen behavior” to not take away spelling from Victoria just because she could?

[@ninz_0]

@@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576 so many people would act spitefully towards people who may still be choosing to associate with the people who bullied them into a suicide attempt, even if that person is not directly responsible. it would be understandable, albeit immature, if she just wanted niji to suffer a blow like being kicked out while shes not.

[@diamond_star9267]

@@ninz_0 in this scenario it would be more than just immature, seeing as how a big part of how she was being bullied was through being soft-banned from taking part in events with vtubers outside of nijisanji. If doki were to have nijisanji talents, particularly those who were unrelated to the bullying blacklisted from events in which she participates, she would then be stooping to the level of her abusers. In terms of morality I wouldn't find it understandable or reasonable for someone to do that.

[@theveryaveragegamer9865]

But she didn't take away her opportunity, and the organizers were just being considerate, so stop even fantasizing about if she did. We all know how shit Nijisanji is and how often the blocked livers like pomu and doki from once in a lifetime events, so stop trying to paint doki bad when we know Niji is guilty of what you are fantasizing about and far more @diamond_star9267

[@devilcookie9924]

I feel bad for Vivi. Selen is one of her oshi. They'd be 100% fine for meeting each other but the problem is Kurosanji itself.

[@ericp631]

It's how all companies operate. It's not a nijisanji specific thing. It's 4th wall breaking for an ex talent to stream with current.

[@EvaFuji]

​@@ericp631 yeah I have no clue what people are on about. Sure Niji sucks but this is basically rule 0 after leaving a vtuber corpo.

[@ericp631]

@@EvaFuji people are just conditioned to respond this way by now. So it's the all encompassing knee jerk reaction even if it's something that everyone does or even if what nijisanji is doing isn't even bad. While I personally disagree with this rule for vtubers, it's still something that has always existed in the vtuber sphere and not unique. Honestly, I don't think my favorite, hololive, would allow even this.

[@mercurialblonde]

@@EvaFuji It is a rule that really only worked when they could blacklist ex-talent from these kinds of events. But in the west they can't--so if Niji want their EN branch to participate in any of the big events in EN streaming/vtubing, they have too many popular ex-talents to enforce this and not be harming themselves. Especially when they really don't have anyone left in their EN branch talented enough to really justify these events dropping Doki over anyone in their branch. They probably should reconsider how they do things.

[@Bloodstar-o7]

​​@@ericp631 says who? this vtuber thing is still pretty new. norms aren't necessarily fully established yet. While it's true that someone involved in some controversy regardless of fault, may graduate or be fired rather than just "skin walk" into a new avatar. But you can't stop that person from vtubing for another company or as an independent. And then they would avoid direct interaction/collaboration with their former company. This much is true. But a tournament is not direct collaboration. And if a streamer was so iconic, and not "negligible" to their company's success, then maybe they shouldn't have treated them like crap and fired them. Then they could have avoided this whole mess. And honestly, what's done is done. The fact that niji keeps digging its own grave by keeping the drama alive is just ridiculous. Grasping onto hot coals.

[@vxxiii4160]

I lilke how Sajam addresses them as "Mrs. Bird" and "Mrs. Brightshield" 🤭🤭

[@papacharlie-niner148]

Waifu power intensifies.

[@FreshPenguin918]

Didn’t realize they were married. (Mrs for married women, Ms for unmarried incase someone tries to go nuts in the replies)

[@L16htW4rr10r]

​@@FreshPenguin918Most people didn't know the difference Me too x,D

[@Eagledude131]

I thought it was really cute!

[@MMDsM7]

@@FreshPenguin918 Time to guess who's the lucky one then..... either its Mr. Man or Mrs. Mint-Flavoured-Ghost

[@hoppy8008]

The no ex-corpo collabing with current corpo talent rule should be abolished and Niji management should be ashamed of themselves.

[@MEEPERS.33]

Sadly all agencies have that rule. Holo and Idol have it also.

[@Bloodstar-o7]

I mean, it kind of makes sense for direct collaborations. Obviously context matters though. In this case it doesn't make sense though. It's a tournament, not a direct collaboration. And niji is just dragging the drama out by holding onto it. Just let it go already. Moderate people so they behave and let the streamers stream. But niji can't be normal. They have to be awful.

[@TheRealVordox]

​@@MEEPERS.33 Haachama and Kson says nah.

[@signumxmagnum]

@@MEEPERS.33 Holo doesn't prohibit their talent to collab with their ex-talent, Choco basically off collab although with different persona to Kson.

[@hackspawn1]

​@@MEEPERS.33idol does not, except terminations

[@Drifting4Miles-jv2wl]

Hey refresh my memory, but weren’t they shitting all over Vivi when she talked about feeling bummed over not being in the NBA collab? I swear these peoples’ affections are any way the wind blows.

[@updateguypls1088]

Don't forget Vivi listed Pomu and Selen as her Oshis so...yeah...

[@aPopcap]

I would say that’s giving them too much credit, they seem to act more like rabid animals just attacking one moment to the next, the wind atleast tends to blow in a single direction for a few days

[@Blade501_]

Fandom wanted selected Niji members to be in the NBA Collab. Or at least worthy of that Collab. But when it comes to involve with Ex-niji members aka Doki. Distasteful because of the termination. Niji is still in beef with Dokibird, don't know other way around. But due of the circumstances, Doki wanted Vivi to be in the event. Just Niji having some PR problems that dislikes due of "image".

[@doom-007]

Nijisisters oshi is also Riku

[@Wulfrygg]

Probably all work in politics 🤣

[@YakoffShmirnoff]

The contrast between seething Nijisisters and Sajam acting with such a high level of maturity couldn't be any more black and white.

[@Si11iest3v3r]

I don’t think people understand that people involved in bad situations aren’t always bad people. Me personally, I think that doki handled that perfectly. People asked a question, and she answered without being/saying anything hateful

[@aPopcap]

She’s talking so specifically to not cause trouble for herself, the event staff and Sajam, and also to not cause any problems for Victoria, she could have done a lot if she’s as evil as the nijisanji sisters claimed, and the event holders didn’t even have an obligation to give Victoria an invite to begin with. The “should we still invite her” was definitely just being courteous, and they probably asked Victoria directly if it was okay too, in addition to permission from staff of course

[@myriadstars5760]

Some people prefer taking the complex way for their own life, only chill people would take simple way. "Asked > answered > take it > done" The only complex thing is "to speculate & being eaten by their own speculation"

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

It's pretty hilarious how they whine about nobody wanting to invite Niji streamers to events. Dude, maybe if NOBODY wants you around maybe it's YOUR fault. If they want to complain about not getting to see their oshis at events, they should take it up with the company responsible rather than to everyone else for not wanting to deal with the control freaks that run said company.

[@RoseScar]

Bruh what the hell you ppl on about, she responded perfectly fine, yall are the ones who are bringing negative intentions into this and making it out to be more worst then what it really is, this is ridiculous

[@lucky4d725]

​@@RoseScartf are you talking about?

[@anagramhound]

I bet most of these people aren't even Vivi's fans. One simple "mistake" and that company will do anything to ruin both Vivi's and Doki's chance to have fun at this event.

[@WillZuidema]

they aren't. I bet these same idiots were the ones that blasted Vivi for being sad she hadn't been chosen for the NBA collab.

[@mikaellindblad2607]

Wait so Doki said that Victoria did nothing wrong and that it wouln't be fair to punish Her for something She didn't do and the NijiCultists are trying to say that She is evil becose of this?!?!?!

[@WillZuidema]

The key word is "NijiCULTISTS" so yeah. not surprising.

[@papacharlie-niner148]

Yeah, Doki does the fair and humane thing and gets canceled for it.

[@h3ro0fhyrule40]

​@papacharlie-niner148 "Gets canceled" is a bit strong. It's definitely what the Nijisisters want to do, but they're such a miserable minority, a true cancelation of Doki will never happen

[@_armoredglasscannon2520]

Exactly lol thats what they are

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Because their beloved black company cannot possibly be in the wrong, ever.

[@einfangirl2351]

genuine confused why people are annoyed that doki said that she doesn't want to remove brightshield from the event when she also said that she was forced to back out of diffrent events herself. so litteraly. "hey i couldn't participate in some events due to past issues but i can here now, and she is also here just in a diffrent section so we won't innteract"

[@suohkawakami135]

Dont forget, Twitter or "X" is a Website for dumb Keyboard Warriors.

[@joev3783]

That's a great point, but you need to bear in mind that the haters are just a vocal minority that want to justify their hatred of someone they barely know. The person complaining about her addressing it is a perfect example, since it was obvious Dokibird was getting asked about it a lot.

[@Bizarre_Devil]

I think they perceive it as a form of "virtue signaling," but I just took it as a way to try and diffuse the situation and say, "there's no ill will here." Obviously, this all depends on how charitable you're willing to be with either side, so people who already dislike doki are just figuring out a new reason to be upset, whether it's justified or not.

[@louissanchez6864]

well, if a person hate someone, they need to find even the smallest reason why so that they can justify themselves and blocking all other information to prove otherwise, it's hearing things a person just wanna hear to prove their point. It's quite sad that it is happening.

[@fernandobarbosa9727]

Because they know they wouldn't have the same standards she did. They're the edgy kids that like to call good people hypocrites out of guilty and envy for not having the mental fortitude to be a decent human being.

[@The_Rising_Dragon]

*Myth of Consent* Dokibird: I am fine with it! Victoria: I am fine with it! Nijisisters: I AM NOT!

[@RobertStoll]

Keep room for Riku amirite?

[@waterking74]

Victoria inside: *im actually not I wanna talk to doki dammit* 😭

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

1) Victoria debuted very shortly before Selen left. I wouldn't have expected them to be very close. 2) It IS a PR statement. She's a public figure looking to quell people's fears. She doesn't owe you her personal emotions.

[@transsnack]

Doki and Pomu were Vivi's oshis, so they were probably closer than you think.

[@loudradialem5233]

2:54 Doki was denied entry in events! Definitely because of Nijisanji.

[@marze09]

What event?

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

NijiFans defending Nijisanji like this is the reason Nijisanji is falling.

[@lawliet617]

Nah the insane part is that its not even about vivi they're just using her as a reason to get mad about doki and defend kurosanji by making doki look bad Which obviously isnt working considering everyone knows wtf happened between doki and kurosanji and how bad of a situation it was

[@Bloodstar-o7]

apparently it's niji not victoria.

[@KippyoftheMud]

@@lawliet617 omg preach. that's what pisses me off. not one of those frigging tweets mentioned Vivi. Poor girl can't win.

[@sandalphoncpu]

Nijisanji is the reason Nijisanji is failing. Niji fans are the byproduct of being in a Vtuber community

[@touma5340]

​@@KippyoftheMudyeah but this kinda of issue is too common for any fan from any genre that it's really nothing new because haters will be haters

[@selenang2006]

What bothers me is how they try to justify and play it down on what happened to doki with their own life experiences, i was backstabbed, i tried to unalive myself blah blah. I hate to be mean but the sense of entitlement is wild and nobody cares because you are just a miserable nobody that no one has any interest in.

[@MugeTzu4]

The insane part is they like to shi* on big indie vtubers and hololive too so they hate doki so much it's just disgusting

[@waterking74]

These people deserve to get shat on. Nijisisters and some of the niji talents treated everyone online like dirt and now karma finally brought the hammer on them. Also the fact nijisister acting like total gas lighting drama queens some of the people in the fighting game community(who are kind of toxic) are telling them to calm down and being the adult in this situation really shows nijisisters are so pathetic.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

The fact that people refuse to understand that *Niji was the fucking reason Doki tried to Minecraft TWICE* and only see it as a manipulation tactic is gross and evil. These people are too far gone and should thank their lucky stars Khyo didn't show their accounts, because that's bordering on reportable.

[@CptDuck]

Ah yes. The mentality of "i have been backstabbed by someone, then Doki must be like that guy" and "i've met shitty men, then all men must be shitty". What a clown world..

[@SciRei7H3dEG3NeR4T3]

6:47 Ayo wtf is this tweeter's thought process? Their thinking is like if a situation was like; "The lawyer said I could sue them, but I chose not to." "Oh, trying to prop yourself up because you chose not to sue them?!" as oppose to "The lawyer said I could sue them, so I chose to." "Oh, you're abusing your ability to sue them?!" Like, idiot, are you just not satisfied with either choice? The answer is NO, they're not satisfied, they're just whining for the sake of whining.

[@papacharlie-niner148]

Sounds about right. But even though Doki can't win and will get canceled no matter what she does, she still decides to do the right thing, the thing that enables the most people to have fun.

[@raeoverhere923]

This reminds me of that scene from "Little Italy, Los Angeles", where the woman keeps yelling about different things that offend her until she doesn't even know what to be mad at anymore. Pretty sure the episode is called "Not My Taco".

[@gaerekxenos]

It's funny, because in the context of suing... there are such things as going through with a lawsuit because it helps others who have had similar issues. Granted that in this particular scenario and alluding to the actual situation, it wouldn't be beneficial to do (having someone kicked out just because they might not get along - which isn't even the scenario here, but let's pretend this is the case for sake of argument)... but really =/ Some people need to take a step back and stop trying to take all of these things personally when they aren't even the main actors or people involved, particularly when the situation doesn't require their involvement

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Ngl Niji should've been sued. Multiple times. They've literally committed multiple crimes. Sadly their victims are young and overworked people who often don't even live in Japan and probably can't afford the time and money expense that would be suing a multi-billion dollar corporation.

[@hazamax2139]

Nijisisters would be so fucking good at soccer man. Acting as if a mosquito bite could crack their empty skulls open is a talent.

[@ZeptoZeno]

Literally the most fragile and chronically unlikable fanbase in the Vtubing world.

[@SoftendoCMK]

​@@ZeptoZeno Phase's fanbase is so much worse it's not even funny.

[@FairlyFatherless]

@@SoftendoCMK Ahem, Fishman best girl.

[@seki108]

@@SoftendoCMK Not sure what they did for you to say that, but at least they did it quietly and not shouting from the rooftop. Never seen phase fans come close to Niji's most rabbid fans since the start of this year.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@ZeptoZeno The sane people with a smidge of empathy left by the time the stories about how they constantly tell their young employees about how they're nothing without the company came out. Y'know, before it turned out they also literally steal their employees' wages.

[@CraX_Ez]

The fact that Sajam entertained a thought of doing a whole other slam with peeps that are not allowed to work with Niji shows how bad Niji's rep in the industry is

[@mercurialblonde]

Doki once again taking another dub just by being a nice person.

[@snizzle6174]

'sahjem' is hilarious lol

[@Khyo]

You see, I heard Doki pronounce his name correctly and still fucked up just proving how stupid I am 🤡

[@myriadstars5760]

​@@Khyoabsolute sh- goat 🐑

[@Phantomcrustacean]

I’m so sick and tired of this abuse to the talents who just wanna be left alone. The company can rot for all I care at this point, talents like Vivi will get a safety net from their friends on the outside, The ones that perpetuated all this Will be ignored and will fade into obscurity like they deserve. Screw any color

[@Ehecatl-Quetzalcoatl]

Back to 0 days without incident. How long was it this time, 5 days?

[@lucas1309]

Three days.

[@aPopcap]

It’s easier to keep track by seeing how many episodes of news they go without being the thumbnail or title at this point

[@KharaChmiel]

probably less?

[@KharaChmiel]

@@aPopcap we have to take into account that news comes out 1 or 2 days after the actual event, unless it's salvi who has no life lol. So realistically, they've never had a day without drama. Meanwhile, Cover puts out one of the best graduation streams I've ever seen to celebrate a 6 year talent in Aqua and just wins in every way possible.

[@memorableman3709]

This entire situation was a lose-lose for Doki, if you think about it. If she didn't say anything, people start speculating and probably start blowing shit way out of proportion. And now she explained the whys and hows of it all, and people paint her out to be some horrible demon that's trying to trick us into believing that she's a sweet angel... I don't even hold any hate or ill-will towards Victoria here. Doki is right, she literally had nothing to do with the fiasco that went down with Nijisanji, there IS no reason to hate her here. But oh well, leave it to people to try to find -or rather, MAKE UP- the worst out of every tiny little thing...

[@samkelly5045]

Honestly it’s more of a win for Doki, sure she’s getting undeserved hate for doing the right thing which I wouldn’t consider a win, but at the same time the Nijisisters lashing out like this just turns more people against them. Let the Nijisisters destroy their reputation for supporting a company that treats their “oshis” like crap, I honestly don’t understand how these people say they love watching their “oshis”, but then they go off white knighting their toxic agency that has been screwing over said “oshi’s” mental health.

[@malcovich_games]

HA! Well, it's not a lose-lose when she's only "losing reputation" with the people who hate her already. Fortunately, it's not the internet at large painting her as a horrible demon. It's just this radical group that no one else pays attention to anyway.

[@aPopcap]

I feel removing speculation was the winning move, out of the options she had atleast,

[@FelipeASaito]

I, for one, am glad NijiFans and NijiSisters are acting like this because it's much easier to know who to stay away from when their bad behavior is this obvious

[@MrTuneification]

So addressing a potential issue that was overly public from the start is a bad thing now 😂 Niji fans going out bad these days

[@aPopcap]

How dare they remove the sister’s power to speculate and attempt to manipulate and fabricate the story! Monsters!

[@Neipalm]

I wonder what world they live in where they think if neither Doki nor Sajam talked about the considerations, EVERYONE on the internet would just accept the situation at face value and not speculate to high heaven what kind of terms had to be negotiated.

[@jonathanmakeley8048]

@@NeipalmIf they hadn’t said something that Nijisanji’s zealous supporters would likely have accused her of sitting back and letting Vivi get harassed. In their minds Doki is already the villain and her actions will be seen as bad no matter what she does.

[@ultravioletentertainment7332]

The thing that erks me about this whole situation is that people are giving way too much power to some people or assuming way too much. For example, they say its unfair that they asked doki if they should kick her out without thinking about the fact that 1. It was niji that made the conditions that led to this, vivi was probably already aware that if they could not be meet them she probably wouldnt have been able to play, and 2. Doki said it her self that brawlpro was in this casue of her and she was in it for him. This means if either of them get kicked the other is probably leaving too. Its easier to replace 1 fighter vs 2 last minute To add on to assuming to much, of course doki would want to get a head of the curve and adress the problem now. If she didnt the moment people realize they are making an effort to keep them off eachothers team and not in the same bracket they would have started to assume shit. Its easier to let people know whats up now and not let it possible build into something more later I havent been into streamers/vtubers that long, but as far as i can tell some of the niji talent like vivi and scarle seem fine, but gets wrapped up in the companies BS, and fans dont like that. But you cant point the blame toward doki and sajam because they didnt ask for any of this extra bull either

[@FunkMeister5000]

People saying it’s a PR move for Doki to address this situation would’ve been the first on the bandwagon when people started making rumours if Doki didn’t address it

[@mme725]

Seems all of them are thinking Dokis the initiator with a "benign good guy" PR stunt, not realizing thar their own corp, Niji, is the one that swooped in and demanded segregation between their talents and someone else in the tournament. This is corpo throwing their weight around and creating the very situation to be addressed at all. Not doki and Sajam going "oh look, a niji liver, let us make a public spectacle of grace" with greasy palms in a dark board room that they (nijisisters) paint this out to be on twitter.

[@lootria]

"omg how dare they kick out innocent people because of her!" meanwhile doki said it plain as day that she doesnt want that..? at what point does this cross the line from "overly protective" to "looking for any reason to be mad"? edit: i worded it a little poorly, it's more of a "why do they let doki decide if innocent niji talents should be kicked out" and she still said (paraphrasing) "no dont kick them out because of me, we just wont interract and i'll lose early on anyway". the point still stands though - she said she doesnt want that to happen either way, so there is really no reason to get mad at her.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

at this point im pretty sure nijisisters are schizophrenic the way they hear and see things others don't

[@hattsoffthehatt3379]

Bro niji fans are arguing about an issue that doesn’t exist 😭

[@KaguyaEne]

It's also partly on the side of; if Sajam goes to Doki with the conditions that Nijisanji laid out with concerns to interaction between the named parties and Doki says that she isn't comfortable with it, he would have to remove both of them. Since if he removes Victoria and keeps Doki, harassment and threats will be coming in for days or weeks to everyone playing. If he keeps Victoria and removes Doki, then it gives the impression that he is able to be effectively strong armed by Nijisanji to give them preferential treatments and is now in part running his event under the oversight of Nijisanji. And he had to go to Doki for it, cause it was a mandate that came from the other party that concerns itself with Doki that depended on her answer and Sajam's ability to enforce it. The only options were both of them are in and kept separate or they are both out. And it doesn't matter what option gets chosen because the termite colony that is Nijisisters will just start infesting Twitter feeds again mere days after their last infestation excursion.

[@Supperdude9]

At this point if you are staying with Niji, you ARE a second class.

[@malcovich_games]

"Vtubers treated as second-class citizens" is exactly what Nijisanji is doing, yeah. That lack of self-awareness in these Nijisisters is kind of baffling.

[@helpidroppedmydignity6138]

This, Nijisisters, is called "consequences of one's actions". It's not Victoria's fault her workplace is toxic as hell and pushed someone over the edge but as someone who is part of Nijisanji, she will always be associated with their bad practices while she works there. And one of the consequences of said practices is being treated not as "second-class citizens" but as the fifth rate company Nijisanji is.

[@rpgstaple]

I hope your comment gets a pin 🥺

[@Bloodstar-o7]

I still feel like this is blaming Victoria. She "chooses" to work at niji, yes. But if that's the only thing she's done wrong it's not enough to punish her for. No, the problem is niji's policy and failing, once again, to just do the normal, rational thing. It's a tournament. Let them play and have fun. Let them tell their fans to behave in the chats/comments. Warn the event planners so they can moderate properly if troublemakers show up. It could have been an excellent way to move on from the drama and heal wounds. But nope. Niji has to keep proving why they are toxic.

[@Pwnopolis]

Bottom of the barrel abusive company with 0 business sense.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@Bloodstar-o7 Sadly people like Riku Tazumi will not get punished because the only way to punish them is if the law gets involved. And Japan's labor protections are a total joke, so it's not gonna happen unless enough people in Japan force the government to change the rules, and that always takes time.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@Bloodstar-o7 It's not fair for Victoria, yes, but don't be surprised when public-facing evil that Niji management is trickles down to how people on the outside think of their staff before being told otherwise.

[@updateguypls1088]

Sisters trying not to be unsufferable assholes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@seifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

Meanwhile Aqua getting all the love from her graduation stream from millions of fans. The contrast of the 2 companies it's so funny to me.

[@Artamos1020]

7:45 "Mrs.Bird"??? Doki is married??? Is this some new forbidden lore? /s

[@nekomekoplays]

this is just a Sajam thing, dont take it too seriously.

[@Artamos1020]

@@nekomekoplays thanks for pointing that out, I would have never thought that and believed it to be serious

[@Bloodstar-o7]

Frogbert and Crowki got married.

[@Nepkan]

Doki: Ok, let me clear all the speculations and misunderstandings so that everyone can just have fun together. Nijisisters: And I took that personally.

[@Myotoxin]

Sounds like Nijisanji fans like those are really just mad that either Nijisanji didn’t say something first or that due to the consequences of their own actions are treated without preferential benefits when push comes to shove Smh, these people idek

[@hoktauri]

Niji fans have to feel like victims or they’d have to examine their fandom

[@thegemguy1334]

One funny thing that came out of this is Sajam calling Dokibird as Mrs Bird. Making her name Dokibird Bird.

[@fiddlemyfoddle6374]

The fact that NijiSisters are upset at and blaming Doki for something Sajam said is wild.

[@DelSolstice]

Not even for something Sajam said, these were Nijisanji's conditions for Vivi and Doki being in the same tournament, per Dokibird (she just said "the conditions that they gave the organizers", but who else would "they" mean?). Sajam just didn't specify it to the same degree for the sake of being extra diplomatic towards Nijisanji.

[@DJSayori]

They think the tournament gave dpki that power because of what she went through, but honestly its Niji who makes the restrictions so it’s easier to kick them if they had to. I am glad Doki still want them to compete, and she would probably love to interact too.

[@nickkuroshi0]

People think Doki is holding a sword of Damocles over Nijisanji livers when it was literally the other way around

[@m1crowavedsoap]

the tweets flaming doki feel like a caricature of the internet as a whole

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

Nijisisters working hard to dig a hole and I'm here for them...

[@メシャ]

Niji/NDF: "oh no, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions!" business as usual.

[@kintsoogee]

To all the Nijisisters, you will probably hunt me down for this...but while Victoria probably really doesn't deserve to be treated like this, it's understandable that she's being treated as "guilty by association" in a way. But I agree with most of y'all, Victoria shouldn't be kicked out of the event because, as Doki said, she ain't got nothing to do with the whole shit that happened. Which also makes me kinda amused as to why so many of you Niji stans out there get offended over literally nothing. Victoria did NOT get booted off the event! And y'all know why? Because Doki didn't want that, she wants harmony more than anything and since Victoria had nothing to do with what happened to Doki, it'll be fine, especially if they won't even interact. I'm sorry to everyone who thinks that Doki is the villain here, because frankly, Niji is proving over and over that they don't even care anymore to hide that they're the true evil here. Anyway, I wish everyone a pleasant day

[@user-hz2kc1ww8k]

That’s such a shitty take, guilty by association is dumb, by that logic we should just be shitty towards the other talents despite them being friends/good terms with ex members, the members aren’t responsible for what higher management does, grow up

[@kintsoogee]

@@user-hz2kc1ww8k Everyone should be allowed to be friends with whomever they want, I didn't even say anything that the two shouldn't interact, quite the opposite, I would kinda appreciate it even! But the shit that happened over the course of this year with and within Niji has kinda destroyed the foundation and on top of that, Niji still considers Doki a liability, so they wouldn't let her get close to Victoria anyway, because Doki's the enemy! Regarding your last take that the members aren't responsible for what management does...bro, it's been semi confirmed that some Livers don't even have a manager and are being forced to take the fall for something the management should've been held accountable for (Black Screen Stream), why the hell are you telling ME to grow up?

[@ItsMe_SaiYuri]

Tbh i was surprised when i saw the participants too but knowing the people involved i had it at the back of my mind both sides were considered and both ladies are open minded, I just want them to enjoy

[@sientense]

5:00 ok this post is just genuine misinformation on their side, she answered the question her audience directed at her. she is being fair and honest about the situation, and them saying that she had no need to adress it is a new level of delusional.

[@HecateArtworks]

Inb4 Niji gets annoyed that Doki for the most part said "Victoria is innocent" without outright saying it. Good that she can participate too, people wanna see entertainment not drama ❤🍰

[@aPopcap]

She definitely chose her words carefully order to get the best outcome for everyone, I feel if there hadn’t been something said, a lot of sides would be arguing over the truth, she gave enough context to remove any speculation though

[@digitalscott7732]

@@aPopcapevidently didn’t stop people from just making stuff up, but at least Doki explained it for the sane people

[@ShadowNinja8x8]

It's a bit wild seeing people thrash Doki saying that her being able to exclude others from the event and not doing it is PR to "look" like the bigger person when in her video @ 2:55 she basically is saying she's been excluded and out casted the past 6 months makes it seem like potentially Niji is still trying to suppress/blacklist her and somewhat succeeding. So the people saying it's for her to look better when Niji is still potentially doing it to her just makes their views look disgusting. Doki is straight up saying she's not treating others how she's been treated. W person.

[@CraigBickerstaff]

The really interesting thing is how people continue to put this on the talents as cover for the company, if it weren't for petty company policy this wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. Maybe even Vtuber culture to a certain extent, the idea that because Doki left Niji she is no longer allowed to interact with or be acknoedged by anyone in the company is why situations like this happen. All Doki is really doing is saying she isn't going to kick up a big stink about it and complain about it. In a perfect world they'd just accept that there is a chance they might have to interact on some level and if they do try and make it fun for the audience rather than awkward for the talents.

[@redyrunner3693]

Poor Vivi getting caught up on all of this

[@RobertStoll]

I hope she has fun now that Niji actually let her out of the basement for once. This'll be a fun tournament to be sure.

[@Paxtin]

So if I'm understanding this correctly...Doki was being the bigger person in a situation and somehow Niji fans found a way to take that personally.

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

4:29 Something tells me this tweet was referring to a specific someone making those harmless jokes. Totally can’t tell at all.

[@screaming_cat2007]

Huh….

[@digitalscott7732]

I have no clue who you’re talking. context, if possible?

[@cheerkub8110]

Looking at your pfp, I'm going to say... Pippa?

[@toms7219]

scammer is filian, holocaust jokes is pippa, mean girl cliques saying slurs is holo JP members who didn't understand the significance of a word spoken in GTA. Bullies who punch down could be any of a hundred different ppl. The irony of course is that every accusation they throw out there is doubly true of the company talents they're simping for

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

@@toms7219Bingo

[@naotokujikawa2751]

addressing it had to be done one way or another or was undoubtedly gonna cause issues for likely everyone,its really not that hard of concept but some people man...they just gotta make literally everything an issue

[@nahelbeuk]

Doki responding to hate and exclusion with kindness, empathy and inclusion, what a class act.

[@psychodarling666]

i love hwo dokibird moves so much while talking XD

[@7arooofps]

yeah nah Niji was the one who gave the condition that there will be zero interactions, Nijisanji is treating their livers as second class citizens. Doki got away from all of that and now the whole world knows what really happened beyond the termination notice announcement they made against her. Unfortunately for them society has some biases and in terms of them vs Doki most people in the scene like event organizers, artists, and clippers would rather stay away from them and anything related to their product and it affects even the innocent ones in their company.

[@WillZuidema]

The word "negligible" for someone as influential and popular ad Doki shows that they think of their talents as worse than even slaves - they have been relegated to livestock.

[@BernadetteAnneChua]

Not to mention from a business stand point its actually far more wiser to not work with Nijisanji since their stock never recovered since Doki's termination and even if Nijiseethers try to paint Doki as the bad guy of the situation the fact is that Niji fucked up with handling Doki and now they lost both social and financial clout and instead of that really hurting the execs, it really just hurts the innocents first like Vivi :(

[@thelurkerbel0w]

Let Vivi talk with her Oshi!

[@godlessyuri]

Dokibird: "I should probably addess this so the internet doesn't make a big deal about it." Dokibird addresses it. The internet makes a big deal about it.

[@Bloodstar-o7]

If she didn't, people would be clamoring for responses from all sides. She did what she could. Anyone still making drama is just trying to start stuff and/or has unaddressed mental illness.

[@godlessyuri]

@@Bloodstar-o7 Yep. Sometimes, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@Jyukenmaster95]

Tbf, I think "it's what you say, AND how you say it" makes a difference? If it's really not a big deal, she can just talk casually, not formally and thoroughly like that. Yes she doesn't deserve this response, but i'm not gonna pretend we don't know how cause and effect works.

[@crowe6961]

@@Jyukenmaster95 What, precisely, was wrong with what she said or how she said it? She is a public figure. She has to do PR things every once in awhile. This was one of them - a completely bog-standard and otherwise unremarkable clarification of what was planned.

[@kannonball5789]

​@@Jyukenmaster95It likely wasn't a big deal for the talents (Doki and Vivi) and Sajam. They just want to exist and compete in this tournament. Niji forced the situation with their overly restrictive conditions, and because Niji is the worst, you know they would be blasting Doki with lawsuits if they thought she said something wrong and they had even the slightest chance. With this sword of Damocles hanging over her head, a stereotypical PR statement was necessary to avoid a lawsuit (of course that couldn't be said either, but all the informed people know).

[@soph-ose]

The threat of them being not involved ONCE while doki explicitly said they have been excluded multiple times in the last 6 months....

[@robingames2002]

People who are niji fans have outright admitted they don’t care that doki almost took her life and most nijifans said she should’ve gone through with it which is a disgusting take

[@_-pf_gd-_]

Dokibird is such a queen bro o7

[@Momochan144528]

They'll find anything to be upset about. If it were the other party that made the same statement, they'd choose to be blind about it😂

[@h3ro0fhyrule40]

Yes and no. Vivi isn't exactly the most popular among Nijisisters, so it's hard to say if they'd praise her or attack her for making a statement

[@Goleon]

@@h3ro0fhyrule40- Most likely both.

[@Momochan144528]

@@h3ro0fhyrule40 prob both

[@The1Goby]

*Preemptively takes the time to explain how a point of contention is going to be addressed and sheds light on how she's been treated versus how she'd like to treat others, all while making it clear that all she wants is for both parties to enjoy something they're both passionate about* "We'Re LiTEraLLy BEinG tReatED LIkE SEconD CLAss CiTeZENs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!"

[@IWatchYouTubez]

Those tweets are insane. They're blaming doki for clarifying what's going on ahead of time and make it out like she has a god complex or something? Stop hallucinating and touch some grass

[@angie.castle]

The tweet saying Doki talking about the situation rubbed them the wrong way. Like, what did they want to do lol have her not say anything and let the speculation and arguments go wild? Another damned if you do, damned if you don't moment.

[@sirebellum0]

Let this be a reminder that it is literally impossible to NOT make someone angry on the internet, no matter what you do. You literally can't win; only lose less. maybe.

[@Scarfcookies]

lol i couldn't help but laugh when you tried to say Sajam (pronounced Say-Jam)

[@MACHEW_WingDestiny]

Sajam at Doki handled it very maturely. I think both Vivi and Niji should make a statement to handle their fans

[@aPopcap]

Imagine just accepting the facts and details as they are said and just continuing to support the streamers you like for the rest of the day.

[@h3ro0fhyrule40]

I don't have to imagine it, that's just what I do

[@WillZuidema]

And it is likely THIS is one of the reasons why Vivi has her as an oshi..... (edit: originally said had - was typo as they are near each other on keyboard. sorry)

[@kabuto1584]

the common Doki W moment, she is such a good person

[@mostlyblissful6666]

The fucking AUDACITY of some of those tweets, man, holy SHIT that boils my blood

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

After so long of Nijisanji and the Nijisister community treating their own VTubers like second class citizens, you'd think they'd be used to it by now.

[@edgarmarques97]

Impressive to me they are mad about their oshi being treated as a second class citizen considering how the company they work for treats them exactly like that :)

[@Vaquita_Vibes]

I mean it was cool that they addressed it to cool off any speculations. Like that the extremists also ignored the fact that an agency has the power to make sure people are black listed from participating in events, mean while Doki was offered that ability to remove Vini, but choose to let her participate since she has nothing to do with the incident between Doki and Niji.

[@TrojanSalesmen1]

poor vivi.. niji sucks. doki being a good person.

[@fiyahquacker2835]

Love the confidence in her abilities.

[@taruuu7519]

If this continues, no one in indie tournament sphere wants to invite Niji member to their events. I feel bad for Victoria in this case. She's clearly innocent. But the fans of Niji man... They need to chill. And Doki here did a good thing to address this once and for all. I love her being transparent of things unlike that colorful company that still seems shady despite they having colorful in their name lol

[@VanishEclipse4867]

Good call on Doki's part honestly, better address it now and just get on with it and I say they handled it skillfully. As skillfully as they could anyway.

[@8BitShadow]

literally Doki: "I consent." Victoria: "I consent." Ninji: "Well I don't." Ninji fans: "I can't believe doki kicked Victoria out!" bruh

[@zeddoverkill]

I got the impression from Doki's tweet's wording and other info, that the rules for them not being able to interact were being imposed/put forward by Nijikuro as far as Vivi not being allowed to interact with Doki. And Doki being *genuinely* impressed that Sajam decided to talk about it instead of just dropping her is seen as her flaunting "power" and being self-righteous or something? How bad is their brainrot that they are just vehemently against a purely informational statement?

[@crowe6961]

When one hates truth, one can be brought to hate anything at all.

[@Ninjasoulz]

Not gonna lie, idk why people are trying to pin this on Doki. She got asked a question, She's adressing Drama to get it done and over with. And it shouldve been done there. But of course it always gets blown out of Proportion.

[@BefallGaming]

They complain over Doki addressing this situation by calling it a PR move, but if she hadn't addressed it they would have also complained and called her names. Niji fans have their combined IQ on the negative numbers istg.

[@crowe6961]

Also, public figures tend to have to do PR things every once in awhile and this is not a bad thing, it's just part of their jobs unless they have people for that. Often, it is still part of their jobs. Making sure the audience knows what's going on technically qualifies as public relations, there's just no credible negative connotation to be had in that context, to any remotely sane individual.

[@annojance]

A single person, Dokibird, is more competent at PR and collaboration between content creators than an entire corporation.

[@Denamic]

Doki: Addresses concerns. Sisters: “She’s literally Hitler!!!”

[@BbiBbii]

5:11 Doki made a statement cause people wouldn’t shut up about Vivi & Doki maybe interacting. The person after that comment with the whole “I don’t get why people treat her in some way cause she tried to khs” is absolutely disgusting.

[@ZeptoZeno]

Being upset is the default state of Nijisisters. Doki handled this situation very well, like always.

[@TubeTsuKi]

At this point, I'd say it IS EXPECTED whenever a Nijisanji related scoop is concerned, nijisisters will always be offended or get ticked off with Doki no matter how well and neutral she has been towards all this. I'd imagine, had Victoria been given the same position as doki, the heads up from SJ, the action to address the elephant in the room, the sisters with their double stds would have kept quiet, and the rest of the world would be like, "heh, ok. Moving on." The day i don't hear anything from them would be when they have their periods. Just let Brightshield and Doki participate in peace can ya?

[@amazo88]

and this is why niji livers shouldnt just be invited in the first place. it isnt necessarily that the livers are bad, it is niji and their fanbase. too much baggage.

[@whatzittooyah9182]

Right like at this point I hope all the talents quit and go indie. Anyone with common sense can tell you that corporate management is the real problem and that the livers are likely being mistreated like Doki was. But for some reason Niji fans are acting like we hate the livers and are punishing them????? No??????

[@masteruni6885]

Sajam and Co were willing to let Doki talk about it. Sajam HIMSELF was willing to even kick out Brightshield just for Doki to particular all they needed was a yay or nay from Doki. However Doki respects the passion, and allows her to play, saying that they dont deserve to be kicked out just because she's in there. they're in two divisions, and will never interact. Doki had all the power to kick her out, but chose to let her stay solely because she could understand the passion of fighting games. And yet Niji fans still try to dog on this mature ass response

[@Striga889]

All the nijisisters complaining that doki got the power to ban vivi from the event conveniently forgetting that she was given that power after niji gave their ultimatum to sajam.

[@Bloodstar-o7]

except she wasn't. like the guy at the end explained, he was just asking questions. He asked the same to both parties. It just seems like he asked Doki first because she came out and talked about it. But the idea was "can you guys compete? If so what's the rules? What will make everyone happy?" Having one drop out was just one of the potential options. Like he said in the video, they could switch on and off... like Doki and friends do one, Niji and others participate in the next, or something. In the end they just seperated them to keep Niji happy. Doki and Vivi probably don't care.