What's REALLY Going On with the ORIGINAL FLOYD ROSE?

[@geraldrauch1701]

waz up brother!!! great video...I just bought a FRT200 original Floyd Rose for my old Charvel model 5A...it has "Floyd Rose Original" stamped on the bottom side as opposed to the one you are showing...any info you could provide??? cheers man!!!

[@nikaxeguitar]

You have a photo? Most likely an older model. Does it have all the new updates that I talked about?

[@scottdunn2178]

Floyd Rose "Original" are made by Schaller in Germany 👍

[@geraldrauch1701]

@@nikaxeguitar don't have photos readily available but the saddles appear to be the new rounded ones...the trem arm assembly is the older style however...the box says authentic Floyd Rose in white and original in orange...the stamp actually says "original Floyd Rose"...I'm guessing its the older model that came out before the newer one...and it is distributed by AP INT...

[@michaelcarey9359]

@@scottdunn2178 The base plates, while BOTH are made by Schaller, are in fact manufactured (die cast and solid steel) differently.

[@scottdunn2178]

@@geraldrauch1701 They stopped with the "Original" stamp some time ago...

[@ShreddingFinn]

Take an OFR from the 80s, feel how smooth the action is on the fine tuners, now take a brand new one and do the same test

[@comand0Metalero1]

I recently changed my old OFR that came stock in my guitar (it was in bad shape, rusty, after 10+ years of abuse) and bought the new Original Floyd. It feels and sounds perfect, it stays perfectly in tune, the new saddles are cool because the brass baseplate doesn't come off anymore, nothing to complain

[@Davis_Ho]

Just like to mention, according to the photos from the Schaller website, even the Schaller LockMeister has removed the "Made in Germany" stamp. Where there used to be the stamp now bears the Schaller "S" logo.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Just had a call with Floyd Rose. Yeah these more too this. All will shake out soon

[@floydburney6060]

...... There's about 5 minutes of info in this 24-minute piece.

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Right. A whole lot of hot air about nothing.

[@Scott__C]

@@the43rdparallelthrift34 Longer videos make more for the KZbinr - more ads can be shown.

[@88Nikoli]

And most of that is lip snmacking noise !

[@GuitarLordGR]

1) Schaller was the first to adopt the new coupling mechanism 2) Because of COVID the supply for floyds was and still is VERY limited 3) Because of the supply issues, the schaller lockmeister caught up with everyone since it's the same product with a different name . Even Jackson/Charvel started using lockmeisters at one point. Here in Europe EVERYONE puts lockmeisters instead of OFR 4)Schaller was the first to adopt the radiused saddles. Also, they offer r2/r3 nuts in different radiuses something floyd will offer too at one point 5)Floyd decided to move production in its own facilities for logistical reasons and more control over the production/stock 6)Wait for the new full titanium floyds and full colored floyds soon :). Back in the 80s you could order custom colored floyds! For you Americans, I believe the price will be the same or lower since there'll be no distribution costs from the other side of the pond. For us Europeans, we have the lockmeister :)) I have 2 lockmeisters and 1 OFR. All of them have the push in arm (love it), titanium inserts and stainless steel screws. Dive bombs away!

[@nikaxeguitar]

Nice!!! Great info my man!

[@Guilherme81]

I have a LockeMeister aswell and i love it. It's a great unit. People are also using Gotoh. In terms of quality,. It's obviously not as good but it's still a good tremolo for the price. It's for for sure the best tremolo before the Schaller and Gotoh. And it's like half the price of an original Floyd

[@KahnuevsKrake]

@@Guilherme81 I have one too. I built a partscaster with a Floyd a couple of years ago, and getting the Lockmeister was a no brainer for me in the UK as it was £100 cheaper to buy than the OFR.

[@bonerhed]

@@nikaxeguitar I've heard from a friend that runs a major boutique guitar company that he was told from the distributor that FR will be made in the US in the near future.

[@maidenman74]

I prefer the screw in type arm but i steal a spring from a ball point pen and drop it in the hole before screwing in the arm. super secure.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Wow!! That’s freaking amazing dude!

[@CormacTunstead]

Damn, that's a great idea! Cheers!

[@allboutthemojo]

​@nikaxeguitar do you think Schaller is better overall? If I have a Floyd 1000 or 1500, is any Schaller model an upgrade from those?

[@josephtamborra1321]

I prefer the collar, but I still drop a spring in mine to help keep it from getting too loose.

[@chrisboller46]

The new coupling is actually quite a bit bigger than the old style and would not fit in my EVH as it was rubbing against the wood in the cavity. I opted to swap in an old socket and coupling on the new bridge instead of expanding the route with a Dremel, and everything works but thought I would point that out.

[@BostonWhoFan515]

Same om my PRS DW CE

[@anabolic-v3p]

Just buy a Gotoh GE-1996T - better quality, comes with a brass block and locking studs, MIJ, and half the price of FR.

[@BostonWhoFan515]

Are they drop in direct swaps for 1000s? I heard they weren't.

[@anabolic-v3p]

@@BostonWhoFan515 Yes, they are direct drop in swaps for 1000's and/or FR Original. The only thing that's different is the Gotoh posts are slightly thicker, but if you don't want to deal with that, the trem would work just fine with Floyd Rose posts.

[@BostonWhoFan515]

@xyema-mpa-ma-ma you mean if you wanna change the posts, you gotta pull up the wells they go in and put new ones in?

[@jonseyrocks3226]

@@BostonWhoFan515 Yeah, the bushings are larger, 11.3mm to the 10mm for the OFR (and special/1000), according to the diagrams on each version's product page. So you'll need to pull the old ones, fill the existing holes, and drill out new ones.

[@anabolic-v3p]

@@BostonWhoFan515 Yes, so I would just leave the original ones. The Gotoh posts are nicer as they're locking, the same as Ibanez Edge / Lo-Pro Edge (which are also manufactured by Gotoh), but I had great success and excellent stability using Gotoh 1996 with the original Floyd Rose posts, no issues whatsoever.

[@RottenRotny]

I have a reliable source that told me they spoke to the owner of Floyd Rose and this dude said the Manufacturing at Schaller started to go south. Someone at the German factory started changing some components without notifying FR. It was so bad that parts were cutting strings and trems were falling apart. Also, Floyd moved some manufacturing into the USA in TX and FL. Supposedly if you get a chrome trem it will have been made in the USA and if it's black it will still be made in Germany, but I'm guessing no longer at Schaller. I can not confirm nor deny any of this as it's heresay, but I did just purchase a brand new OFR 1984 and it looks excellent, big brass block and heavy as hell, but does not have the Made in Germany stamp.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Great to know. Let me know if you hear anything else.

[@pauln6803]

@@RottenRotny The Schaller quality issues came about the time shortly after when the old man and his son died. This was well over a decade ago. There's a video where Suhr guitars were explaining they were very unhappy with the amount of bad FR bidges they were receiving and why they were choosing the Gotoh GE1996t over the Floyd Original. Schaller were also making the (now deduct) LSR tuners. Someone I know (loosely) took up distribution for them (a very strange arrangement where the turners were manufactured in Germany by Schaller, shipped to whoever owned LSR in the US, then shipped to the UK) and they had to check each and every tuner for problems with the locking mechanism and the engagement of the tuning mechanism (they don't work like the normal geared post design of regular tuners), having to make up working sets and sending as much as 60% of the tuners back because they wouldn't sell people anything they themselves weren't happy with. In the end manufacturing ceased and the remaining sets were sold to someone in the US. I doubt Schaller were swapping parts out as they would have been contracted to manufacture the FR bridge a certain way and would likely face financial penalties if Schaller pulled a fast one. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Floyd Rose company felt the cost of German manufacturing was too high and that they perhaps weren't happy about the Lockmeister being a direct copy of the Floyd but sold at a considerably lower price. Can't entirely blame Schaller for that as they were probably a bit miffed about the Sung-Ill 1000 series (labelled as a Floyd Rose Original) eating into their OEM sales.

[@CormacTunstead]

I have an Aristides 070 with an Floyd, but during the production of my guitar (2022-2023), I had to wait a lil longer as the guys in the factory told me they found a hairline crack in my Floyd bridge & they had to wait quite a while for a replacement to arrive. They didn't seem to happy or pleased with them either. Tho so far my current floyd in my 070 is working perfectly with no issues.

[@VaderLaw]

@@CormacTunstead I think Aristides's Floyd that is 1000 Series Original-Style (not Original ver) .I'm planning my new Aristides and ask them if they can replace Floyd with Gotoh

[@RottenRotny]

@@CormacTunstead OEM Floyd? That's the ones that I was told are problematic.

[@comand0Metalero1]

I recently changed my old OFR that came stock in my guitar (it was in bad shape, rusty, after 10+ years of abuse) and bought the new Original Floyd. It feels and sounds perfect, it stays perfectly in tune, the new saddles are cool because the brass baseplate doesn't come off anymore, nothing to complain

[@supersonicnomad8437]

Back in '93 I had a Schaller made double lock installed on a Kramer. When I would change strings I never, ever had any problems as far as having to do any trem set up, nothing. Even changing string gauge, sometimes I'd level the trem but most of the time I didn't even have to do that. That trem was an absolutely, outstandingly exceptional piece of guitar hardware. Truly amazing. It was worth every single cent. Right on and rock on! \m/

[@storms5150]

Floyd Rose has opened a USA shop for production in North Carolina. My rep says that they intend to transfer all production to the States. The Titanium FR will be made by a new fabricator since they no longer work with TiSonix. People assume the 1000 series is not up to par with the German models which is not the case, 1k series are made of the same materials just produced in Korea. And AP International will always be associated with FR, AP = Andy Pappicio, president of AP Intl. AP also was the supplier of the EVH d-Tuna back in the day…. Last, buy Upgrades from FR, not the former employee who is known as FU. You will ruin your warranty for your FR Trem.

[@CarlosBarientos]

Do you happen to know "where" in North Carolina?

[@storms5150]

@@CarlosBarientos I don’t know however I can ask my rep tomorrow when place an order. I’ll comment if I get some updates.

[@hxclambfan]

Really just an odd choice to remove the stamp on the bottom. Even if it's not made by Schaller anymore you'd think they'd keep that. That's kind of Floyd's stamp of pride and quick brand recognition type of thing.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Exactly

[@michaelcarey9359]

I'm thinking Floyd Rose himself will have a HELL of a lot more "pride" when he can put "Now Made in AMERICA" on the FR splash page... just watch.

[@zanzabar4ky7]

It seems like they are moving to the USA and did not want to buy a new set of tooling. I will bet they will say made in usa once they are moved over. They also cannot say made in Germany if most of the parts come from the us and it assembled in Germany with a German base plate

[@KahnuevsKrake]

@@zanzabar4ky7 My thoughts exactly! The "Made In Germany" was the only identifiable aspect that was on the bridge plate itself, all other aspects pointed out on their website are parts that can easily be removed and put on a cheaper Floyd. Now the only way you can tell is how the crease by the fine tuners looks clean, whereas the 1000 series looks warped like it was bent into shape as opposed to machined. I suspect they plan to eventually move all production to the USA, which would make sense to save import costs but they're trial running it with just the saddles to see if it's successful.

[@Scott__C]

@@michaelcarey9359 I dont' think he has much if anything to do with running the company anymore. If he was looking for pride, he wouldn't have licensed to everyone and anyone.

[@bluemawks]

I purchased one of these about a years ago, works on par with the old design. The new design of the saddles allows for more options and easier machine work during the manufacturing process. The arm.. works about as well as the old. The baseplate...well, manufacturing locations are changing, per their web sight, new shop in North Carolina.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Good to know my friend

[@garyt3hsna1l82]

_absolute end of an era._ so happy i had a chance to get an german 84 reissue. Ofrs are the apex of guitar technology these changes reek of planned obsolescence and cost reductions.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Think so? Maybe

[@sahlomonic]

I think it's possible that there are multiple manufacturers for the OFR now, and the Schaller ones are still stamped as such.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Very good possibility. That would be wild

[@skyhorseprice6591]

I prefer the set screw type as seen on my Schecter SVSS FR/S. You just screw the arm in to where you want it, then tighten a small set screw on the screw cap on the arm. This produces a whammy bar set up that literally never loosens unless you loosen it yourself. So much better than any traditional screw in or even pop in.

[@RowdyAF]

I'm not a fan of removing the stamp, it's just a dumb move unless they are going to have made in usa version but I'd still like them to specify

[@grantstewart5453]

Unfortunately, 7 string is still neglected. Still stuck with the 20" saddles and 10" nut which is completely stupid. Gotoh is where it's at for 7's right now (16" on both). It's a shame you can't yet buy the OFR and choose the saddle radius like Schaller. Requiring a separate purchase. They also need to get different radius nuts. What I'm most stoked on is the new Hantug trem coming.

[@nikaxeguitar]

I agree to all of this!!!

[@johnwebb2562]

Hi ,If the base plate isn't stamped. M.I.G. then don't assume that it's made there, there probably outsourced to some far east manufacturer or closer to home 🏡 like Czechoslovakia or Rumania over the border. As someone who has lived and worked in West Germany for years. Their tools and products always were proudly stamped M.I._ G.The German stamp would ensure that the product was of the highest quality steel in this case and correctly tempered just like their 🍒 cherry brand chisels and knipex pliers. Please be aware. Best Regards.John.😊

[@JayBirdGuitars]

i feel like we could see if the metal for baseplate is inferior...maybe not tho...hmmm

[@pauln6803]

I wouldn't be surprised to see FR Industries tying to muddy the waters with the Sung-Ill OEM supply bridges.

[@michaelcarey9359]

The company simply wouldn't lie about where it was manufactured because the lawsuits and international distribution wouldbe too costly to defend. The German steel could EASILY be determined by the use of a simple handheld x-ray frequency analyzer, which would give the exact composition of the steel used. It's MUCH more likely that since FR began manufacturing the saddles in America, German trade rules forced the modification, much like in the US, where everything "substantial" in a product must be made in the US. Then again, everybody is aware of these kinds of rules...

[@markrogers7304]

I still have an ofr and grover tuners that are stamped Made in W Germany. Those still feel and look almost new. Made to last...lol

[@mikescott5655]

I’m a Gotoh guy my self especially for upgrading but, to be honest as long as the Floyd stay true to what they were & what we expect I’m ok with a few design choices

[@nikaxeguitar]

I hear you. I love gotoh’s

[@demondrive147]

I found that very thin piece of plastic from those you know transparent document folders solves all the problems with a loose tremolo arm. It's also pretty durable

[@khondkerRHossain-qp1re]

The Push in arm needs to be installed properly that too,it works with oFR base plate better but they go loose eventually in special and 1000 series. If the grooves are installed properly and with a nylon bushing it works. There is a machined tremolo arm, Red bishop that works best, I reI wish OFR came with a pop in arm

[@Rusty-METAL-J]

I'm like Joe Satriani & Steve Vai, I love the 1s that pop in and out. You can pop it out & use the arm like a slide. Lil Steve Vai does that a lot.

[@Rusty-METAL-J]

I only call him that because a grade school teacher calls him that, and I love the guy like we had a personal friendship. We're GEETAR Family.

[@followthereaper665]

My latest floyd original is the newer model and I love it just as much as the old one. The only thing is I had to use a 1000 series coupling arm because the new one was not letting me dive back as far. I didn't wanna reroute Mt guitar

[@vinsaneinthemembrainnnn]

I brought a brand new EII Horizon and the trem bar seemed to be cross threaded and I couldn't get it off for the life of me. Used them for years and never had an issue. I've heard they've had issues lately with them. Some people bash the 1000/1500 series but I think in alot of ways they're better! I put push in trem bars on all my Floyd's. It would be nice too see the OFR add some stainless steel upgrades.

[@dickhanks755]

The reason for the rounded saddle wells is simply due to the new CNC process. The previous OFR saddles were *cast*, which allowed for the square edges. The newer saddles are CNC machined from solid steel, which is an inherently better process than casting. The CNC saddles have been the standard for a few years now. OFR saddles have never had holes/slots in the bottom, BTW. That is a feature of Korean 1000 series and lesser models. The OFR cast saddles had a thin sheet of brass in the bottom of the well, which the new CNC versions don't have...

[@dickhanks755]

Another thing... the saddle blocks potential for being cock-eyed is actually due to the long locking bolts. If you try and use 1000 series locking bolts with the new CNC saddles, for instance... it will not be squared up in the saddle due to the end of the locking bolt being *rounded*. If you examine the bolts from a newer OFR, you will notice the end of the bolts are *flat*. This is also an issue with using D'Tunas, as those come with rounded bolt ends...

[@flair_7]

On the topic of the screw in vs push in style arms, I actually use the old style original trem arm where you tighten the arm via a little wrench. I remember having the exact issue with the newer screw in style where no matter how much I tightened it, it would just be loose. That upgrade to the old style was a really solid choice for me because it's lasted quite a long time and I only ever adjust the tightness of the arm when I do restrings. It wouldn't be everyone's favorite option consider you can't take the arm out whenever, but it gets the job done for me.

[@questionmark5463]

I have an original on my Steve Stevens Hamer, and that guitar was built in the late 80s. It's still great!

[@nikaxeguitar]

That’s amazing! Would love to see that guitar!

[@silviocapoferri1163]

kinda frustrating that you missed the opportunity to straight up try to mount the new coupling on an old baseplate, or try an old trem arm on the new coupling. You touched on the idea that they could be "taking a page out of apples book" by making the old ones "obsolete", but couldn't take one second to try it and show us to settle that concern. I mean, you had them both in your hand lol.

[@MangaJosh]

I really wish they would at least give us the option to opt for the round string inserts and saddles that use them like the titanium ones use. I really like the design and would like to see how well the design works

[@pauln6803]

I would suspect the rounded saddle blocks on the aftermarket titanium parts are simply using round Ti bars and cutting them to fitthen drilling for the bolt. The steel saddles and blocks that Schaller produce are cast, but I would assume the Floyd Rose Ti alloy parts are machined due to the problems of casting Titanium in an oxygen environment. I believe Titanium has to be cast in an inert gas atmosphere or vacuum as it will burn in both oxygen and nitrogen environment at the kind of temps needed to melt it. For small scale production most of the parts would be machined instead of cast as a nearly complete part as any competent CNC shop could do that.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Dude this is awesome insight. How do you know all this? Thanks man! 🙏

[@TMoody]

I think about the man Floyd Rose often and how his invention helped revolutionized the electric guitar (thanks to King Edward). You hardly ever see his face but his name is on just about every electric guitar that you see that has a locking trem. I wonder about his net worth as well. Anyway, looks like the arm coupling is a big improvement but I like the Made In Germany stamp better UNLESS it was to read Made In USA.... hmmm. Very good break down video Axe Guitar!!!! Keep up the great work. .

[@kennethcarlin9629]

The first guitar I had with a Floyd Rose licensed tremolo was a Lotus. It was single locking with a pop-in arm. The little rubber gasket on the arm got messed up and the arm kept popping out.

[@BlazonStone]

Only the edges of the blocks are rounded So it doesnt really make a difference on how it clamps the string...

[@Traumglanz]

So, they are going for Made in USA, lower labor costs and most likely less quality at first at least, because Schaller has all the experience already and better working conditions most likely too. Seems good for them, and I now know that I can buy something with a Schaller Trem and it should be just as good if not better. Did not know that there is a great and cheaper alternative.

[@hchoe741]

I use red bishop magik arms on all my trems. It's a must for me now.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Very nice!

[@nikaxeguitar]

Where do you get them??

[@joea9608]

I still use the early originals from the 1980's. The grade of hardened steel they used then was better suited to the task.

[@DiscordCurse]

Ive moved to gotoh 1996t it is just as good as the old 84 floyds

[@nikaxeguitar]

Really?! That’s awesome

[@peevee605]

@@nikaxeguitaryou will love their price point too. Everyone else raised the price but Gotoh is still great priced.

[@adam5744]

I always replace my tremolo arm for the much in feels better and comes off quick

[@nikaxeguitar]

Likewise. I love it

[@_Snorri]

17:00 Making saddles in USA instead Germany is really strange choice - last year annouced the same feature of varius radius option for new generation of their FR style bridges and locking nuts, so they are making the same product as OFR. At beginning I was thinking that Schaller was beta testing for Floyd Rose, now I think that there is a bit of competition between them.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Exactly my friend!

[@jonathanbooth9000]

I’m sure they had to remove the “made in Germany” stamp if it using foreign parts, such as American saddles.

[@brandonjackson5865]

You should check out the new Kahler fulcrum based tremolos the look solid and might be a value comparable to a made in USA FR ?

[@nikaxeguitar]

Working on it!!

[@mattskillman]

I think their statement explains it all "...giving us better...production times...". There is strong demand for their tremolo systems, and under their current production format, the Specials and 1000's (made in South Korea) are the only trem systems widely in stock, while their Originals (made in Germany?) are sold out and on backorder on most sites. I think Floyd Rose is planning on moving production to the USA in order to fix the long production issues. I would expect that a Made in USA trem system will be priced at or around the German Made Originals while still giving us the quality that we expect at that price point. This mimics the model of a lot of guitar manufacturers, where they have a lower quality / lower price point variant made in Southeast Asia and a better quality / higher price point variant made in North America.

[@OUTTATIMEMTL]

made in America doesn't mean that it's better..... look at Gibson the QC is not there anymore, more expensive...

[@K_R_N.]

I would assume the move out of Germany has something to do with their economy going down the shitter in the last couple years

[@victorstillwell9893]

Just bought a 1984 FR off Amazon. Nothing stamped on it. Desert. Could be made on the Moon for all I know. As much as I paid for it, better be made somewhere very special.

[@watchtonystube]

Wow! How a few hours after talking to Floyd Rose on the phone, this video pops up?! Floyd Rose supplier in Germany is providing them crap parts, that’s why. I ordered a coupler, received one of lesser quality and had this discussion on the phone. They’re re-sending me an original coupler / they are receiving lots of complaints over couplers and many other parts. WE ARE BEING MONITORED BY OUR PHONES!!!

[@bobbiedeleon4845]

Schaller Lockmeister with radiused saddles and radiused nut is built like a tank and will not go out of tune!

[@jimmikatt]

Floyd's were original made in the US. then moved production to Germany.. Myself, do not believe they are made in Germany any more, as I have bought new units recently, and have found quality control issues on the trems that the German made units did not have.. The original Floyd's have a 12" radius on the saddles, a 10" radius on the nut, now you can have options, good but how is the quality? I think I will try something else in the future.. Gotoh, maybe Shaller, but as said, the new Floyd's just don't feel the same as they use to.

[@JayBirdGuitars]

i feel like we could see if the metal for baseplate is inferior...

[@minnesodope]

How tf can you change anything on a design that's called "original".

[@Commander_Grub]

"Original" meaning top of the line model. They're very minor build changes, anyway. It's based on the same design that was originally put in production in 1984.

[@srh361]

"Original " basically just denotes that it's not the "import" version so to speak.

[@TheMTGHero]

What's your thoughts on the evh branded floyd?

[@bobbiedeleon4845]

I heard it was a special in disguise!

[@BostonWhoFan515]

I've ordered a few OFR trems from their regular site about 3 years ago. One was to replace the 1000 on my PRS DW CE, but that new arm coupling was already on them back then and it wouldn't fit in the routing that PRS made for the 1000 so I had to change the coupling with the 1000 trem. Some had the "Made in Germany" stamp, and some didn't. I think this has been in the works for a while. I thought it was to cause less fuss about the difference between the OFR and the 1000. I'm still not convinced the OFR and 1000 are a direct swap. I had the OFR in that PRS, and it sat a little higher up in the cavity. Still worked fine, but I put the 1000 back in because it sat lower. So I have a black OFR for sale. All my guitars with FR's have either OFR or 1000s, and I can't tell any difference in durability. I've intentionally beat the crap out of a 1000 just to see, and it's still fine. The 1000s used to bother me but idc anymore. I definitely wanna get my hands on those saddles, though. I hate using shims. I just looked on the new site They only have chrome in a very flat radius at the moment. I added myself to the list. Thanks for tipping us off on this. I would never have known. 👍

[@nikaxeguitar]

Absolutely. Is your black OFR still for sale? Does it have the stamp?

[@BostonWhoFan515]

@@nikaxeguitar yeah it's stamped. Still got it.

[@dickhanks755]

1000 vs OFR... the 1000 series saddles are taller, which is the reason it will sit lower than an OFR

[@BostonWhoFan515]

@dickhanks755 why would it sit lower if it's taller? I'm talking about the actual baseplate that sits higher out of the cavity route. Not drastically higher, but enough for a seasoned FR user to notice. About 1-2mm. So more of the baseplate shows. Idk why. Usually, my FR baseplates are kinda like halfway in/halfway out of the cavity.

[@dickhanks755]

@@BostonWhoFan515 Think about it, man. :) The OFR saddles being shorter, the overall thickness of the trem is reduced, so it will sit *higher* when setting the string height to the same level as a 1000 series with taller saddles. If you install the new CNC saddles on a 1000 series baseplate (I have done this several times), it will have the same affect of needing to raise the bridge higher than it was with the origional 1000 series saddles.

[@systumm130]

my open high e string is buzzing i tried every thing

[@spiritzweispirit1st638]

Great video' Thank you. Side note_ Why don't we here 'Anything' about the FRX?! _ It made an initial impression' then crickets?! I actually want one' Cept the color I want' is a chunk of change I can't currently do responsibly. Tho It seems Weirdly ignored?! 🎸🎼

[@jamescorvett]

Ive learned from experience those cast pop metal base plates are junk and prone to breaking/cracking! I suspect there are a few reasons for changes, the main one is so parts wont fit from model to model so you have to purchase new parts when something breaks or gets lost. I also suspect these bridges are being made in china or some other third world country for cheaper production costs so they can maintain high profits. Ive owned close to 100 floyds over the last 40 years, of all the different models. Some have lasted all these years while others didnt last very long. Recently I bought a floyd from Ali, around $25, and its just as good as the first model floyds, all steal, hardened string lock blocks, great fit, no slop, and it has string guides that are radiused .

[@joespadaro361]

Maybe you should call up FR and chat with them.... It was announced that they are making multi radius saddles in US. I think a new factory in NC... I hear they will expand this and maybe do titanium eventually

[@nikaxeguitar]

lol. You’re talking to a guy who just had a call with the president of AP International. More to come…

[@yikelu]

If they do bring it back to the US, hopefully the prices fall.

[@rainydayloops]

Brand new USA ESP M-2 with new, Original FR. The arm is sloppy and cheap feeling compared to a 30 year old Schaller FR. Maybe an improved idea, but it seems like the parts lack good tolerance. At least mine is... and on a $4k guitar. I'll be swapping it out for a Schaller.

[@KaosII1968]

The old real Floyds had a shim under the middle 4 saddles that made it 10 inch radius and when you removed it you had a 12 inch. I don't know when they stopped doing that.

[@dickhanks755]

New OFRs still come with the shim you mention. That may change when/if they start offering the custom radiused saddles on the whole unit

[@capturelightmedia]

Apple has only changed their charging connector twice. There was the original one, and then the lightning one and now USB-C. All the other manufacturers have changed their charging port at least as many times. This may be a small piece of misinformation, but it is misinformation nonetheless

[@aquilarossa5191]

I don't care if it is made in Germany, or even if it's made in Timbuktu or wherever. What I care about is if it's a good tremolo or not. Quality machining, build materials, function, tuning stability, and how it feels to use. If all those boxes are ticked, then I don't care if it's made by Martians or whoever. The best tremolo I have had was a Gotoh 1996T. Really top notch, but it was about 15 years ago, so I dunno if they are still that good, or if Gotoh joined the rest on the race to the bottom cutting costs etc. A Team J-Craft MIJ Ibanez Genesis I had a couple of years ago had a good trem too. The guitar had some cheap parts and felt a bit budget, but the Edge trem was very good. I had an original FR on a GMW flying vee. Sandoval style by the guy that made some for Zakk Wylde. Good, but I thought the Gotoh was better. The worst trem I have had was a licenced one on a MIJ Jackson Dinky. Junk. Great guitar in some ways, but let down by that shite house trem. Six screw Strat trems vary a lot too. US ones have dimensions that are not the same as Fender Mexico, Japan, or Squire ones. The US vintage style trem is not necessarily built for super high quality etc. It's more important they make them as close as possible like the old ones warts and all so to speak, because that old school tremolo is a big part of that quintessential, classic Stratty sound. I see folks saying they hate the Floyd Rose trems because it's a pain in the arse to set up etc. It's easier than a six screw vintage style Strat trem I think. They have 12 of those tiny Allen/hex screws for the saddles. They need to be adjusted just right, or stuff happens, e.g., saddles lean over, or they can even rattle a bit, etc. Another thing that is tricky is how far to screw in the six screws that hold it to the body. Best not screw them hard down. There's a trick to it. Then it's just the spring tension, which is much the same rinse and repeat hassle the Floyd has. The difference is that once a Floyd is set up, it is set and forget pretty much. Can't say that for a Strat. I laugh at how Gibson gets dissed for tuning hassles, but a Strat with a vintage style bridge is way worse and nobody much mentions it. Just look at a Strat the wrong way and it will want to go out of tune just about. There's lots of footage of top players tuning their Strats during gigs mid song. P.S. Custom radius FR saddles would be a nice thing to have. Should be able to get a more precise action. Gibson tune-o-matic bridges are similar in that respect, i.e., fixed radius. The only way to get the saddles to more precisely match the fret board radius is to cut the saddle slots in a way that does that. Playing on a really good action is my happy place :) BTW. Made in the USA? Not good for me, because I live in NZ. We pay more than US peeps do for most guitar stuff. Quite a bit more. For example, a Fractal Audio FM3 down under is almost double what US peeps pay. Gibson and Fender too. The exception can be stuff made in Asia, Europe and the UK that is sometimes on par with prices at Sweetwater etc (it's similar with computer parts like CPUs and motherboards. The deals US peeps get at outfits like Micro Center like make me a little envious -- the USA being a massive market is why I guess). More US jobs is good for you lot. Maybe should not have exported all the jobs in the first place, but it's done now. Billionaires were not making enough billions, so they moved production to places where they could make even more billions, even though it really hurt middle America. Greedy effers. I saw the rust belt around Detroit and was kind of shocked. I had a US missus back then and I got her to take me on a tour. Mile after mile of empty suburbs and dilapidated factories etc. What a waste of decades of hard work and investment etc. Oh well. I had better stop there, or I will get into how corrupt the system is etc. Cheers for the FR info.

[@TheSecretOfNem]

Who's to say Floyd Rose isn't blowing smoke and mirrors up our collective asses? I don't really sense full transparency on Floyd Rose stating originality of "Schaller" tremolo products.

[@mr.timebombman2230]

Just e-mail them and ask what the hell is going on .

[@nikaxeguitar]

I’ve tried. They won’t even let me know where they are at in NC. Do you know?

[@davyxxx9761]

Hello, I've already bought 3 schaller arms by thomann with the new design over a year ago, I've also bought a schaller lockmeister ,there was already the new arm 10 months ago, nobody talked about, it it's much better. Go buy the schaller arm,👍😉

[@dionr1168]

Now that they're making saddles in different radii, I wish Floyd Rose would do the same with their locking nuts.

[@KahnuevsKrake]

Schaller do with their Lockmeister.

[@Patrick-857]

Those saddles do not look machined to me. They look cast.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Chrome finish on them I’d assume

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

They gonna make various radius nuts?

[@DavidMadeira29]

They've already change the F true type more than once. Namastè.

[@meljohnson5579]

Yo...I'm a NC axe man too😊

[@nikaxeguitar]

Awesome!!! Love it out here!

[@NoQuadsNoMasters]

They shouldn’t make the price that much more, it’s not like Germany is a third world country. Most companies there are union and they have a large good economy of well paid workers. You would almost think it could be cheaper to make them here with shipping costs.

[@kuruptmetalhead2739]

Seems they are following what schaller did with the lockmeister

[@juliusmaximus753]

Shaller makes the vibrato, he stamps them Floyd rose and Floyd Rose sells them more expensive than those stamped by Shaller. An original 6 strings floyd rose cost 450€ in france, 7 strings FR 500€, the 6 Shaller Lockmeister 230€, 7 strings Lockmeister 300€. Spare parts mount on floyd rose and vice versa. Minor difference is that the lockmeister has two U-shaped knives and the FR has one U-shaped knife and the other flat like the Gotoh. The Lockmeister also have post 2020 block inserts, rounded ones that are much stronger than pre 2020 which they themselves crush and deform. Floyd rose does not make anything, he just puts their logo. Admit that for the same thing it is a joke from FR

[@jamesjames2070]

Will an original floyd rose drop into a Jackson js 32 without any mods?

[@pontustraas95]

Yup , Done it several times before, but I suggest you change the studs as well, otherwise the knife edges on your ofr will dig groves in the Jackson studs due to the weaker material they’re made of.

[@pauln6803]

Don't blow your money on a Floyd branded bridge. The Schaller Lockmeister is essentially the Floyd Original, but priced far more competitively in part due to not having FR Industries cut and distribution added on top.

[@pontustraas95]

@@pauln6803 indeed

[@pontustraas95]

@@pauln6803 I have worked on and owned both original Floyd roses and lockmeisters and quality wise there are no differences , I’m pretty sure they are the same bridge but with different logos on them.

[@pontustraas95]

@@pauln6803 I have worked on and owned both original Floyd roses and lockmeisters and quality wise there are no differences , I’m pretty sure they are the same bridge but with different logos on them.

[@richszmal1653]

I perfer push in arms.

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

I see absolutely no reason for concern. A lot of crybabies in your comment section...

[@VaderLaw]

Gotoh is laughing now🙃

[@mightyhammerhead]

Please just get to it...🤔

[@dpajc056]

If it doesnt say Made in Germany, Japan, or USA - I AINT BUYIN'

[@nikaxeguitar]

Holler!!

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Then don't buy it...

[@msteele0]

Ibanex Low Pro Edge FTW.

[@scottdahlberg4890]

And still not as good as a Kahler after all this time. They are still catching up, reminds me of Apple.

[@MikeHunt-n4u]

They're removing the stamp because they aren't cast base plates. They are machined out of a block. It's a guess, but makes the most sense.

[@jantzencase7524]

How will this affect f utone

[@witchell8976]

Something is up here. If it doesnt say "Made in Germany" im not going to buy it. Ill be purchasing Gotoh then. 🖕

[@JuddOakes]

Th3 1996 is the best

[@Patrick-857]

The Gotoh GE1996T is the ducks nuts. Really why buy anything else? Maybe the Lockmeister, but that's more expensive.

[@BOATIE141]

@@Patrick-857the Sophia is better than the Lockmeister and is only a couple dollars more

[@pauln6803]

@@BOATIE141 I believe the Sophia is comparable to the Floyd Rose in terms of price, not the Lockmeister which is cheaper. I have all three (Gotoh/Schaller/Sophia) and each has their good points. I like the Sophia but it's fiddly and I don't trust the small screws for the string clamp. It needs a good bit of torque that is difficult to apply and I see that hex screw socket head being rounded in no time at all. The saddle also sits at an angle some may not like. And should you opt for the global tuning thing then Suffocation/Morbid Angel style flutter is out the window. On top of that, unless you're in the US then both import and extortionate shipping costs apply. In Europe this is typically 10% import + 20% VAT + handling charges. Oh and around 40 dollars for shipping via one of the worst postal systems in the world is ludicrous. The Gotoh has by far the best cost to quality ratio and Schaller has interchangeable parts with Floyd Rose, so pretty much all developed nations have easy access to spares.

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Nobody cares what you'll only use or buy. You're a nobody just like the rest of us. Your's, mine and the next guys opinion doesn't even matter. But hey, I like your profile picture 👍👍

[@gral9440]

When non-American companies like ESP, Ibanez... start manufacturing their products in the USA, it's not for quality reasons, but because Americans are attached to American-made products. Whether ESP USA is better than ESP Japan, I don't think so. It's just a question of marketing. German industries are among the best in the world. Germany products the best cars in the world for example. So no, regarding Floyd Rose I think that’s just a matter of marketing and it doesn’t mean that the made in USA trem will be better than the german ones . They just will be more expensive for sure

[@nikaxeguitar]

Interesting. I like your take my friend

[@George_Taylor_]

None of these obviously needed improvements should have taken 40 years to happen, and they shouldn't cost extra. They are charging $125 for the special saddles to change the radius, plus another $9 for the new rounded string lock insert blocks that the special saddles require. That's right, the blocks cost extra. Not included. $421 for the whole deal if starting from scratch with a new OFR tremolo system, since of course the locking nut that doesn't match the radius of your modern fretboard is also $55 extra. The good news is that nothing you actually want is ever available on their site to buy in any color or finish people like, so you save major bucks right there.

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Cry some more about it, would you?

[@George_Taylor_]

@@the43rdparallelthrift34 Bend over and let them fuck you, it makes no difference to me, pal.

[@ShawnWrona]

You couldn’t just cut to the details. You made a 24 minute video of you jawjacking and not getting to the point. After six minutes of nothing, I’m leaving this video and finding another that can just get to the point without trying to stretch it out for the money. Could have had another subscriber, but you blew that Good luck, and have a wonderful day!

[@nikaxeguitar]

Bye bye 👋

[@tankdarla637]

old news

[@88Nikoli]

Who cares where it is made, which factory. Along as the quality is there and pri e should go down if made anywhere else. And get at grip on the difference between radii and radius . So many times you used the plural radii to mention a single radius , very annoying .

[@zeppo20]

Push is better. Or the old 80´s screw in.

[@lechstryzewski9350]

What you are calling the "original" ... is NOT anywhere close to the actual OG Original Floyd Rose. The actual original is far and away sooooo much better than this one. Personally, I cannot stand that threaded bar nut for coupling - at all. If I buy a guitar that has this God awful "coupling" nut on the bar ..... I immediately replace it with the actual OG original style of bar "coupling" .... where the bar itself is threaded (no nut) ... and threads right into the "coupling" piece. FAR SUPERIOR !!!! 100%

[@psychological6707]

Production coming back to the USA? Thank your local Democrat. This wouldn’t happen with a Republican in charge.

[@THE_JACKAL666]

Floyd Rose has gone BS ! Get a Gotoh ( japan ) or Schaller ( germany ). Those are bridges that are still holding INTEGRITY !!! I say it by experience after 35 years using them