NBA Greatness Is Built Off Of HORRIBLE Mindsets

NBA Greatness Is Built Off Of HORRIBLE Mindsets according to Gilbert Arenas as he and the Gil's Arena crew debate Scottie Pippen's comments on Michael Jordan and discuss why mindsets like Kobe Bryant's Mamba Mentality aren't the best for making friends.
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[@mrb.2497]

I greatly appreciate Gil pointing out how people did NOT like that “mamba mentality” shit when Kobe was playing. That shit didn’t become cool until his last few years playing.

[@joshuadonald9383]

Nah that’s kinda cap it was around his last two rings people started coming around.

[@CaliCool91]

I find myself feeling like I'm in the Twilight Zone sometimes as an OG Lakers fan. That Mamba shit is incredible marketing, but it was NOT something positive during Kobe's playing days and after retirement he admitted often to not understanding being a good teammate during those times.

[@Ykthevibe35]

@@joshuadonald9383nah

[@michaelperez3720]

🤡🤡🤡 people who weren't about it. People who couldn't handle it, didn't like it. The players that were about it loved playing with Kobe.

[@jaeaiithasolchyld1565]

@@joshuadonald9383how did that clarify anything bro said?

[@conversationswithzo]

She was for the streets and he just didn’t know it yet

[@Themayseffect]

He knew, but the pussy was rubbing his soul 4 times a day for decades

[@tkbaku3036]

Bruh, he dumped her a decade or more ago. MJ son is with the streets version of her

[@ninocrown3247]

@@tkbaku3036 How is that? He was salty when she was banging Future. There’s pics of her and Scottie together right after Future. Please believe Scottie was still hitting that. Divorced or not, the fact MJ’s son is banging his ex-wife and baby moms messing with him, more than someone he doesn’t know like Malik Beasley. It’s just another block in the castle of MJ jealously in his mind. This is why 50 Cent went after Rick Ross’ baby mama years ago. Even the colonizer went after the colonized male’s women to show dominance. Rick acted like he didn’t care, but he did behind the scenes. His enemy is convorting with the mother of your child. I’m sure he made a few “don’t bring that ninja around my kid” calls to her.

[@harveydentyobiych8543]

@@tkbaku3036 they just got divorced in 2021. A decade ago? That math isn’t correct

[@Burton_Man]

@@harveydentyobiych8543 they had been separated for a while before that in 2016 lmao. Divorces take a long time because of courts get involved. One side wants this the other side wants that. Just saying😆

[@oliveemorris6406]

Think Jordan became the so called selfish player when he realized is teammates were a bunch of crackheads that night in hotel room. Mj be like " I ain't passing the ball no more" 😂

[@msohniner]

Yo this shit had me screaming 🤣🤣🤣

[@brickywatters4571]

😭 they had 2 different meanings of “pass the rock”

[@DesignerBass]

I wonder where you got that idea from lol...Jordan. So when exactly did they get rid of all the crackheads? It was a coaching change. Doug Collins told them to give Jordan the ball and get out the way. They wouldn't run the triangle so the fired him hired Phil and ran the system. Had nothing to do with crackheads.

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@DesignerBass fired Doug because they wanted Phil as soon as he became an assistant, they thought they had some lacky in fpug but they didn't, same as with Phil in the end, that's why they told him u could go 82-0, you're STILL not coming back, toxic bulls front office egos

[@terrellsmith785]

@@DesignerBasstriangle didn’t exist when doug coach. Tex created it after they got pippen and others. The hell you talking about

[@beeislive]

So they're just going to ignore the fact that Scottie said "horrible player" and not just horrible to play with? If Scottie would have just said horrible teammate that would hold weight.

[@rellllzzz2473]

In the same breath say there's no such thing as a great player because it's a team game meaning the reverse is there's no such thing as a bad player because it's a team game

[@beeislive]

@@rellllzzz2473 facts

[@geezyeskabante]

By horrible player I’m pretty sure he meant horrible teammate. As someone who played you really don’t wanna play with the MJ/Kobe type. In todays context he is a horrible teammate as he only like taking 2’s and not that effective from 3. A ball hog who gotta get to his spots is not player what you wanna play with.

[@rellllzzz2473]

@geezydbl0012 most people call their teammates horrible when their teammate holds them to a higher standard and talks to them disrespectfully because they're disrespectful with their work ethic. Like Gil said I'm not selfish for not passing you the ball you selfish for wanting it knowing you didn't put in the work to deserve it. His teammates was trash and probably wasn't practicing hard until the 90's but Jordan never made them do what he didn't do

[@beeislive]

@@geezyeskabante What about a guy like Russell Westbrook? He's led the league in assists three times, but he's been called selfish. It's not just about passing the ball. Kobe said in an interview it's more about changing your teammates behavior that is more conducive to winning.

[@TheKiddballer21]

Thank you gil for actually using a mature and thought out response. These fools think this is about larsa 😂😂

[@nyaakewebo]

Thank you for saying that. Most folks are idiots! Scottie was a bonafide member of that Bulls team, and everything he said were facts. The public want people to lie to them to make it sound fly to them.

[@dusk6159]

And to think that Pippen was going HARD on Jordan, and was in fact criticized, way before this very recent stuff.

[@bradbump2591]

Nah cuh, “he was a horrible player some salty shit” haha it’s about his bitch Choosin

[@geezyeskabante]

@@nyaakewebo bro was literally their # 1 defender they act like defense don’t exist🙅🏾‍♂️

[@YungPhilosopher]

I ask god to bring him back pray he jump out of his coffin maybe. In all white like they ain’t never sin but you will never win how you gon call me Hollywood bitch and you ain’t never been. You know my regiment CLS Benz that I ain’t never rent

[@TopGKev]

I will say Gil is right about Mamba mentality and Jordan mentality is cutthroat and ruthless. People don’t realize those type of people really feel they are better at what they do than you. As far as the Scottie diss, it’s not about Larsa it’s about that doc which made Scottie out to be weak. Specifically I remember when MJ downplayed Scotties migraines against the pistons.

[@jasonnelson6624]

To be honest it goes further back. Scottie always said things or took little digs. From picking Kobe over Jordan. But Jordan has always treated Scottie a certain way and took jabs too. Like when Jordan was a fan watching Kobe take over against Scottie. Jordan was smiling and enjoying watching Scottie loss. So to me it's just what they do. Jordan probably feels like Scottie doesn't deserve as much credit as he gets, and Scottie thinks he deserves more.

[@abey824]

@@jasonnelson6624 very true. It goes both ways. As a competitor they both think they more

[@KrispyKleenex365]

Are we forgetting that MJ and Kobe had a close relationship. MJ mentored Kobe and Kobe N MJ had many phone calls and dinners together. They were closer than MJ was with Scotty

[@tobiaslimberis9798]

@@jasonnelson6624 do you ever hear what Jordan has to say about Pippen?? He literally says he is the best player he’s ever played with and gives him the credit for winning 6 championships, shit he was even there for Scottie’s HOF speech!

[@jasonnelson6624]

@@tobiaslimberis9798 yeah I heard it and remembered it. I have nothing to base this on besides what other teammates have stated. But I think Jordan views scottie as being a waste of potential. In the sense he had more natural ability but not as driven.

[@dmv_p]

No one ever calls them "meaningless stats" before winning. It's all a part of the process ... Dominique never got a chip but what he did wasn't meaningless. Jordan was NEVER a horrible player in any sense of the word.

[@kenjiang21]

i think if you’re in the realm of if you don’t win anything then you’re horrible. why do people call players like westbrook. chris paul and harden horrible. it’s bc their career and stats didn’t amount to a chip. but just bc it’s jordan. somehow he’s untouchable bc he won titles. i think what scottie said holds some value. some truth. not all truth. but phil jackson had to tell jordan that he has to pass the ball if he wants to win. phil jackson had to teach jordan how to play the right way. so scottie isn’t wrong bout him being a horrible teammate. player is probably the wrong word to use here.

[@jaymoneymo9963]

Right cuzz lebron first couple of years was meaningless then. Dont make sense

[@blowc1612]

​@@kenjiang21 mj did win titles. Westbrick, Harden and Choke Paul didn't. That's the difference. Also MJ took his team to the playoffs since day one. MJ has multiple titles, had the scoring title and was also all defensive at the same time. That's the difference. You're as dumb as these people on the couch who has no idea about working hard for something. Arenas is a bonehead dummy.

[@dmv_p]

@@kenjiang21 I'm not from the camp of if you win it didn't count. Just doesn't make sense. None of what Scottie said has validity. As someone who watched MJ play before the rings, it all counted and he was never considered a horrible player. Phil didn't have to teach MJ how to win ... he was always had a winner's mindset. Phil allowing the team to run Tex Winter's triangle optimized the team's success through constant ball movement and when it failed MJ bailed them out. Truth be told, the Pistons were just a half a step in front of the Bulls and when they finally took the spot they never really relinquished it.

[@gnnacharles1]

Thank you , finally a fan with some common sense

[@ragecage205]

Yeah I’m still trynna figure out how Scottie was disrespected in the last dance. I think Scottie issue is he don’t take any accountability. scottie signed the bad contract when advised not to,scottie didn’t go back in the game & doubled down during the doc saying he don’t regret it, scottie waited to get surgery and wanted a trade. They also painted him as one of the main reasons they won 6. 2 things can be true.

[@VI_VISIONS]

This right here is the best comment

[@jerelbeamon3548]

All facts.. ol girl said he was disrespected on the last dance. Mike said he doesn’t win 6 without Pip. Where’s the disrespect?

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

@@jerelbeamon3548 Exactly I’m like wtf

[@redmanjohnson4616]

Exactly...

[@zxcvb3772]

That's why I have no respect for today's NBA media, they run with a narrative without fact checking. Scottie Pippen was not disrespected at all in TLD, most of the fans watching didn't even came out with negative feelings for Scottie, but more so sympathetic. These people keep running with the narrative that Scottie was disrespected and made to look like a fool which was not true at all.

[@virgillesaca]

Wait tho MJ was the only player on his team before Scottie and Horace developed. Starting center was like Dave Corzine or some shit, Ed Nealy lol. Who else was gonna score. And when the Bulls started winning, MJ was scoring champ, 1st team all Defense, all NBA, All star, AND won the title. It’s not an accident!

[@vante474]

Exactly!

[@christopherlevere1978]

And his coaches prior to Phil schemed the offense around him, that's a large part of why he played that way. Phil asks him to trust his teammates and straight tells him his numbers are about to dip and MJ chose to embrace it, team success followed. Scottie gets no credit for that change it's Phill who did that not him. And Mr pot calling the kettle black, if you're gonna call someone horrible to play with and a horrible teammate then maybe don't throw a temper tantrum when a last play isn't designed for you and refuse to go in the game. Or do, but then stfu about horrible teammate bs.

[@virgillesaca]

@@christopherlevere1978 100%. Scottie’s having a hard time with post-retirement. But all he has to do is say no to interview requests 😅

[@dwayneaustin6818]

I have to point out that MJ only one ONE scoring title when the Bulls had a losing record. He averaged 37ppg on 48% shooting (Which BTW is better than Scottie Pippen's career FG% so MJ was making the shots he was taking). The other NINE scoring titles came in winning seasons and SIX came with NBA championships.

[@brax0210]

No one wanna see those statistics tho

[@edwinducheine2218]

What’s a winning season?? Almost winning the chip??

[@Cain353]

​@@edwinducheine2218According to LeBron fans not winning the chip is also winning. But I'm assuming with winning OP means having a win record over .500 Regardless. In all of NBA history there have been 4 times someone won the scoring title while also winning a ring, a finals mvp, a regular season mvp AND being selected for all and defensive first team. All 4 of those was Jordan. No other player has ever done that.

[@CreativeSensation]

So MJ had 10 scoring titles. 6 of those scoring titles was when he 3 peated twice. He won the scoring title and DPOY in the same year. Yeah uhhh I don’t think his reg season stats were empty. Just even the scoring title and dpoy in the same season is nuts. Let’s see a player in the near future get that

[@ItdoMop]

You are dumb, it literally happened in the same decade

[@ItdoMop]

And, Giannis

[@ragecage205]

I mean with Gil’s logic the entire career of Agent 0 is empty stats. I don’t necessarily agree with if you don’t win it’s empty stats. You have to work your way up from making playoffs to making second round making conf finals getting to the finals and winning. It’s steps in this shit. Every year you learn something new and you add that to your bag with hopes that in the right situation you will be ready. It’s a reason nobody (but magic) wins in they rookie year

[@CreativeSensation]

@@ragecage205 yup exactly. If any rookie would be be fortunate to even make the playoffs their first year let alone being on a championship team. These guys on this show act like dropping 63 against Celtics in the playoffs and still lost was a big fail. They don’t mention how dominant that Celtics team was and those players were in their prime against a young MJ. Even Bird described MJ as “god in gym shorts”. And at that time bird and magic were dominating.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

@@ragecage205 I still can’t believe Magic came in as a 19 yr old rookie and won Finals MVP

[@RatedRex1]

Pippen WAS NOT "clowned" in "The Last Dance." Everything in "The Last Dance" was TRUE! They interviewed Scottie on ALL the subjects. He responded to the headache and his quitting on the team. So, he wasn't blindsided. He said he would do it again. And he has no regrets.

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

Yall STILL pretending jordans a god over how they presented him in that doco vs everyone else lmao jordan quit on his team two fucking times, came back like nothing happened just to get fucking FED by baby penny hardaway, only to cry and make excuses about "bAsEbAlL mUsClEs" lmfao you were probably not even alive when he was playing man the people who watched that shit when it happened know whats up ahahaa

[@zingisamahlasela]

You can be interviewed about something. But what actually comes out is different to what was agreed upon.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@zingisamahlasela TLD also crapped on Jordan, and if anybody actually watched the documentary, it wasn't even made with the intent to make Pippen look bad, but more so trying to make him look sympathetic.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@JD-rk3cy People keep saying that MJ made the documentary.. do you know that the director of The Last Dance has came out and said, on 2 separate occasion that I could remember, that they didn't allow Jordan and his camp to alter anything in the documentary? On what basis did you say that Jordan made it and threw Pippen under the bus?

[@stevesfair]

If anything the Last Dance made people react to Mike.....Scottie was celebrated by MJ thoughout any time we've known, TLD just pointed out the thing we already knew about Scottie while Mike was out, and Scottie out of hisnown mouth said he'd do it again if he had the chance

[@bradleydawson1819]

We need to pray for Scottie. Scottie had MJ to induct him in the Hall. Steven A said Scottie saw the Last Dance before it came out. Plus Scottie did the interview to make the documentary, Scottie double down that he wouldn't go in the game & he would do the same if he had to do it all over again. That's what made him look lame. Jason Hehir ask him in the documentary about not going in the game so he new that it would be in there but when he saw the negative reaction about him saying he we do the same now he has a problem. Everyone loves MJ because of the eye test. The NBA fans chooses greatness because we pay for the product. If MJ wasn't spectacular he would be just another guy. The fans & the players game MJ his nicknames so says it for itself. (Black Cat) (Black Jesus) ECT.

[@oneautumnleaff2119]

And without Scottie, MJ has nearly 6k less career points made and his avg ppg drop unless he ball hogs to stat pad Ball hogging is literally stat padding

[@turneryoung905]

Unrelated Scottie almost beat Kobe-Shaq late in his career with the Portland Trail Blazers with Sheed-Smitty which is crazy dope

[@Salah-fq2wi]

Almost doesn't get you nothing. Pippin was salty when he played and he's a mountain of salt now.

[@smokejones4484]

and only lost to some bad calls

[@jeyj4372]

Hes the third best player on that team tho

[@Salah-fq2wi]

@Gamingdoc A fellow Eagle fan, unfortunately, you're right 😂😂

[@DesignerBass]

@@Salah-fq2wi Pippen showed who he was when Jordan retired. Pippen was the 3rd best player in the league. That's what Jordan had on his team his entire prime seasons

[@anthonynorman7545]

Dang, Gil has amazing takes like 1 in 3 videos. He keeps bringing me back.

[@glo2fr823]

Dude on the side chair gets on my nerves he’s got horrible takes

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@glo2fr823 I honestly don't know if he's had a good one!

[@thamostgangsta12]

Cause he actually uses reasoning and facts to back up his stuff.

[@waseemcurry7062]

@@glo2fr823he’s so terrible at this

[@ariusmalone8948]

Most of his takes be dumb as shit fuck are you talking about😂😂😂😂

[@dj-vb9dm]

As a child the first time I ever saw the bulls play the game was on mute and scottie was so good I thought he was michael jordan 😂🤣

[@lavanceneely6214]

Yeah,you were just a sped ass child

[@leonangelarevalo2596]

Damn, Gil made a lot of sense , and back it with good arguments, media keep moving the goal post to protect Jordan legacy and legend.

[@BooHefner]

I've always wondered how they could say It's all about rings when there's at least 8 people who have more rings and Pippen has the exact same amount of rings while averaging more Rebounds, assist, steals and was responsible for guarding the best player during their championship runs but somehow jordan gets all the credit

[@bosho871]

Is he saying all the numbers he put up himself don’t count? I don’t think so. Another thing,all those other guys put up the stats and everything and still didn’t win anything. MJ put the numbers up early and still won the most chips later. Can’t say that for those other big number guys. Big difference. His point in mute.

[@kabuliish2]

@@bosho871 Yea he won cause he always had the f-ing most stacked team lmao the bulls were the favorites in everx finals, it´s way easier to win with that (why are the bulls in the 90s considered to be the best team of all time, esp the 96 one, it´s not all because of Jordan, they were STACKED)

[@el84oro]

@@kabuliish2 bulls was the favorites cos of mike. cats need to stop changing history. and gil doesnt know when those scoring titles were won.

[@bosho871]

@@kabuliish2 They were no more stacked than Portland, Phoenix, The Lakers or Utah. Look at those rosters. They were favorites because of MJ. The Bulls were also great because of Phil Jackson’s coaching & staff. Phil was able to consistently get maximum results from those role players. That was the difference. Great coaching too.

[@bighomey4343]

The last dance started with pippen missing 2 free throws against the pacers in a random regular season game that was to minimize pippen that Jordan was reason for the bulls success because we didn't season Jordan's failures in the last dance.

[@el84oro]

we saw jordan's failures. aint nobodys fault pip missed the freethrows, had a migrane, had a bad back in 98, took a bullshit contract, like this shit happened. wasnt made up. pip trippin. he did the same shit with barkley in houston. charles was gonna put hands on him

[@bighomey4343]

@el84oro So why wasn't Jordan's 2 for 22 game against the Knicks in the playoffs when jordan was out drinking and gambling all night and if wasn't for pippen they lose that game why wasn't that put in the last dance because that wouldn't fit the narrative.

[@el84oro]

@@bighomey4343 i believe it was, i remember that game. damn i wish i could go out drinking and gambling and still win all these chips. now i'm actually jealous. dude aint take care of his body like that and still put in work. damn. i kinda get pippen's point now. i had a friend in school who never studied, partied with us, slept in class and still got As.....i hated that dude

[@RatedRex1]

@@bighomey4343 It was put into the documentary. So were Jordan's gambling, his political apathy, his being an asshole, and his failures on the court. All that was in the doc. There is NOTHING in the doc about Pippen that is untrue. NOTHING. I saw it all live, while it was happening. Pippen is just a bitch.

[@ninocrown3247]

@@bighomey4343 Jordan’s gambling issues were discussed in The Last Dance. Sure, some things were left out because it was MJ’s docuseries. But I’m sure Scottie had other things he did that didn’t make the documentary. Larsa talking about they were f*cking 3x a day, probably why Scottie’s back was f’d up.

[@DrDu-zc4eg]

Excellent commentary. There are great points being made. Greatness is not easy to attain by any stretch of the imagination (most athletes and people are not truly willing/have the ability to achieve Mt. Rushmore greatness in whatever discipline you are in). The road to greatness can be a slippery slope that involves potentially unhealthy and maladaptive behaviors that are deemed "necessary".

[@Racoons4Change]

I agree. But you don’t have to be an asshole. Jordan punched his teammates, took their food, and more. Kobe has many horror stories as well. If I had a co worker like that I would either fight them or one of us would have to go and it ain’t me. Y’all forget they play a sport, but this is also a job.

[@MrKT410]

Production matters and is probably the single most important thing you can do. Having said that, there are things that matter beyond production. You can produce a lot but at some point that production can having diminishing returns. One thing that I think seperates MJ with just about every other player is how accountable he made his teammates. He made sure they gave everything to the team not just because MJ was demanding it, but because that was also the example he was setting.

[@shadmcgill7623]

1987, MJ 1st scoring title. He was on a team were he had to score, that team lacked team talent. So he had to carry the team, he did until he trusted his teammates.

[@MrKT410]

@shadmcgill7623 I agree. The 87 Bulls were essentially the same team minus MJ. They won 10 more games. The production mattered a lot but MJ trying to score 37 on let's say the 91 Bulls would have been detrimental to their success. To get the most team success MJ needed to defer some to his teammates.

[@joelvitasa1121]

W/0 pigpen your mj is absolutely trash common fanatics 9 yrs of Jordan in Chicago bulls he is a loser that’s the fact, no one can argue about that, now go home…..

[@sholovesholove4620]

Now imagine if the guy on your team making 20 million dollars and averaging 6pts per game. You can't just scream at them (that's called bullying nowadays), you can't punch them (the organization is filming everything and will release it to pay you less), EVERYTHING you say, will be held against you, by EVERY ENTITY including your organization. Not to mention if your coach doesn't win a championship or you have a down year, the coach is fired. The world and league changed so the same "forcing teammates......", is OUT. That style worked in the 90s. It didn't even work in 2000 when Jordan had Stackhouse, Richard Hamilton. Then he tried the same thing with Kwame brown, and that created one of the top bust of all time! Hell he tried it for 15 years after that and every team he put together and was putting his finger on has been horrible, whether they were the bobcats or hornets. Try telling your child what to do and their making 10 million dollars a year! 😂😂That style worked for 100 years because for 10 thousands years, that force could be used. Now, you have to accommodate a grown man's "feelings" by getting clearance from the team psychologist and you have to watch how you look at him because he might commit suicide. Times changed and Jordan and kobe represented the last time that sorry if "leadership" could be used.

[@mittendemon4493]

@@sholovesholove4620 man shutcho dumbass up typing out this crazy ass shit

[@thereal3801]

I mean pippen did actually play with him I would take his word over anybody

[@dusk6159]

And he won with him at that lol Fanboys can't get over it

[@Yee2792]

people have their own biases though

[@bentaft8791]

Pippen hates Jordan now tho haha. That’s coloring everything

[@bpdrephotography3859]

Pippen is going through something and this completely contradicts everything he has been saying for years. His ex got him tripping 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

[@smokejones4484]

exactly all these MJ fans boys can't see that

[@hardwoodthought1213]

Why Duncan is a top 5 player ever. He was able to achieve more than almost everyone without needing to elevate his own position, flex his power or isolate others

[@KHyman]

Scottie saying it’s no greatest player it’s a team sport is the literal truth , both Jordan and bron get more praise when the teams helped a lot in there winning , one player can’t win a championship alone

[@qualiswilliams7403]

Naw Bron has literally carried teams Jordan didn't carry anything their team was great 🤷🏽‍♂️ he left the next year they won 2 less games lol that means the team is a good team they could've gotten any other great player and still won without MJ that's the difference Bron has lead many teams at least 3 bad teams to the finals at that

[@KHyman]

@@qualiswilliams7403 bro it’s a team sport bron is great but to act like his success wasn’t fueled by his teammates is naive , every team bron won rings with had solid foundations

[@sykomichael83]

​@@KHyman ur talking about the teams he won with.....most of the teams he won with he didn't have to carry to finals....he talking about the underdog teams or the injury riddled teams he carried to the finals and lost with....Jordan didn't do that (even tho it may count for nothing to sum...to others it counts)

[@hayboyshay]

@@sykomichael83 stop it. If jeff green didn't score 20 in that game 7 againts the celtics he wouldn't made it to THAT finals. Yall bron fans don't actually watch the games.

[@sykomichael83]

@@hayboyshay well I know u dont know basketball talking 1 game from Jeff green....we talking about players who lead they teams to finals....keep up

[@nikohunt5187]

Facts Gil ! Amen

[@Productofthess]

We live in a world where basketball fans say Bill Russell's 11 NBA championship rings do not count. Everything Kareem Abdul-Jabbar did from high school through college to the NBA and being the all time leading scorer for over 30 years that's not impressive by today's standards. I believe fans would still celebrate those Jordan stats even if he had two rings or no rings.

[@jasonnelson6624]

I don't even remember the conversation of who's the greatest of all time until Jordan. I never understood why or how jordan became that. I know Wilt took issues with people crowning Jordan as the greatest. That's when he said the NBA changes rules so you can dominate but they changed rules to prevent wilt from dominating. Which obviously was unsuccessful. Its disrespectful how older players get viewed. Ironically Jordan always showed respect and appreciation for the ones before him.

[@sean12pk]

6 teams. 1 in 6 chance to win

[@bezbthatdude4558]

Anyone who has a dude from the 60s as a All time great clearly don't know hoop 😂😂😂😂 I'm a Celtics fan I'll take the ships but Russell was not that great Maybe for his Era but in this Era he would be a Ibaka at best Wilt would be great cuz of his size but he won't be as dominant Just look at their peers that alone says enough Your nearest YMCA would wash those teams that's the difference 😂

[@jasonnelson6624]

@@bezbthatdude4558 I agree with you on most of what you said. But your saying wilt won't dominate? A 7 foot 1 who was as fast if not faster than LeBron, and had a higher vertical than Jordan, and could shot. Free throws not so much. Joker is dominating but wilt wouldnt? Really?

[@bezbthatdude4558]

@@jasonnelson6624 I said wouldn't be as dominant but still putting up numbers He ain't going to get no 100 points I'll tell you that much

[@SO-if3yn]

I love these hot takes. You guys should comment on all sports, or just the top.

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

Why Gil acting like those exact comments on being a ball hog and empty stats was literally the same thing they said about MJ till ‘91. Most thought he was the greatest to ever play just off ability but of course not in accolades at that moment (at least not until his 4th or 5th ring). EVERY GREAT that didn’t win right away like Bird, Kareem, Magic, Duncan for example has heard there stats were meaningless. Hell, KOBE HEARD it after winning 3 titles. Wilt heard it his whole career even after winning a title and outright beating the 60’s Celtics. Also, it’s interesting when people talk about the narratives when the stats just clearly show it differently. Sure, to a point when MJ or Kobe were averaging 33+ PPG they didn’t win (well MJ did average 31.5, 30 and 32.5 in his first 3 peat compared to 37, 35, 32.5, 33.6 the years prior) they should’ve got their teammates more involved but it’s not just one sided. They needed actually GOOD TEAMMATES around them. LeBron is no different. Sure the pre-Heat Cavs lead LeBron teams weren’t offensively competent but there style of play, there coaching and the league was all centered towards defense. Considering most playoff games had scores between 75-90 points as the final scores. The Cavs during those years with Mike Brown were always one of the best defensive teams in the league. MJ’s assist totals the 3 years before he won his 3-peat were MUCH higher than during his 3-peat years. His offensive win shares stayed at 14-15 during those 3 years and his 90-91 year then dropped to 12.5 in 91-92 & 92-93. Likewise with his PER and funny thing is his usage rate was HIGHER in his 2nd 3-peat where they were slightly more defensive focused due to Rodman, Harper, Pippen and MJ (and the league at the time) than his first three peat and every year before that except in 86-87 where he had no offensive help and averaged 37-5-5. Hell his usage rate on the Wizards was higher than ANY year he was on the Bulls except 86-87. So yea Scottie clearly butthurt the son that looks closest to MJ is next in line on his for the streets ex along with the Last Dance. But seriously some things can be explained or concluded by looking at the stats. Clearly once MJ had good enough talent to win for the era he nearly always won. It’s no different than any era for any team sport especially one where there’s a series. It just depends since some eras are weaker than others and the late 80s-early 90s is arguably the best era of having a ton of talent in NBA history along with today’s era

[@HitmanHimmy]

What did scottie say that was wrong? Jordan was just putting up numbers and losing until Pippen and Phil. You can't argue that

[@srtghost3842]

Exactly! There are players putting up empty stats all over the league and look how people talk about them… I was talking to someone about Steph and I was like if Steph was swaped with Dame in Portland for the past 9 years how many rings would he have? The answer was Zero. Just like if Jordan didn’t have the best team/coach in the 90s he wouldn’t have 6 rings.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Better numbers on higher efficiency than he ever did at any point in his career.

[@paisan79_13]

They didn't win with Scottie or Phil either at first. It took time for Scottie to develop which he used to credit Jordan for helping him do that. I'm sure he would say otherwise now because he's mad at him but we all know.

[@whenisdinner2137]

There's the fact that there was nobody else on the team to pass to and he still averaged five assists per game and the fact that he averaged better stats on higher efficiency in his rookie season than any year Scottie Pippen ever played so why is his dumb ass talking?

[@johnniecoons2717]

Lmao he was making the playoffs , and lost to championship teams

[@713anand]

People don’t understand how good guys like bill wennington and will Purdue And Harper were on defense. And all the guys on the bench that could make huge shots. I agree with Scottie that it was a whole team effort

[@tmitche9]

@@spunterage what else is he going to say? Did his attitude/ play match with that?

[@georgecubie8560]

A whole team effort & you call out bill wennington & will Perdue 😂😂😂 You must be mad too!😂😂😂

[@kvngcancer7758]

Thx Gil

[@moyblazesup7620]

They do that to Tatum saying he ain't good cause he hasn't won a chip yet

[@johnniecoons2717]

Not true . Jordan put up them stats as a very young player in league. The young player that’s putting up numbers are getting a ton praise. Ja , Luka, Brunson , Edward’s. Lamelo . Once they get a few years in then people are like nah you gotta win now.

[@DD-sw1dd]

True. MJ’s rookie season had stats comparable to MVP Kobe

[@camctrail]

MJ was 27 when he won his first though, it's not like he started winning right away. If you're a superstar player and you haven't won a chip or made it to the Finals at least by like age 25, you're gonna get criticism. Tatum, Embiid, Joker, Giannis before he got his first. LeBron been getting generational criticism since before he got to the NBA. Durant. Russ. Harden. MJ was like all of these guys. He spent 4-5 seasons putting up absurd stats, but not going anywhere in the playoffs.

[@donela6730]

@@camctrail If only Jordan stacked his team with his fellow '84 draft mates in Hakeem/Barkley like another guy did in 2010.

[@camctrail]

@@donela6730 Good thing MJ was backed by one of the greatest GMs in league history who actually knew how to draft and build good rosters

[@johnniecoons2717]

Bro you putting age out there , when MJ was in the era would almost every went to college for at least 3 years. MJ was good enough to the league earlier but that wasn’t really how things went then. Bobby knight said MJ was best player he had seen b4 he even played in the nba. Based on what MJ did on team USA as a college kid

[@virgillesaca]

Scottie said he saw MJ before he got to the bulls, had a couple seconds to think about it, then fixed his mouth to say MJ was a horrible player. Pip it’s a reason why no one takes what he says serious.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

But Scottie won’t bring up the fact that MJ was great before he got there or the fact that MJ had to mold Scottie into what he became

[@paultaylor3841]

Helluva explanation by Gil. Scottie saw that documentary and was like , “Hell Nawwww” lol

[@LoScrila84]

Man gill keeping it real!

[@fangshaopai]

I felt so strange that people forgot MJ embraced the triangle that Kobe refused to? that Melo refused to? when Pip said horrible teammates, play one on one, it is true, but MJ was always trying to find the answer if u really been there watching his games. that's why Winter and Phil was so surprised that MJ said YES easily to the triangle! he was OK to any possibility that can make his games better! I dislike how Pippen said this because he made it sounds like it's all because of him? hell no. if it's not Pippen but someone else who also has potential, Jordan would adjust his game to fit his teammates in his way. look at Pippen's stats in first couple years, his impact on games was limited, very limited. he always believe he got disrespected, I really don't know why! everything in the last dance is true, we all been there we know it. he is such a child, sadly but true. he refused to grow up, he refuses to take responsibility of his action. he blamed other people to make him feel better, to make him believe he deserve better.

[@zxcvb3772]

Jordan was all about winning, or else he would not have played defense and just score those points.

[@DesignerBass]

@@zxcvb3772 lol you just proved his point and you didn't even know it. Jordan's 1 defensive award came in 88. Guess what else happened in 88? Phil Jackson became the head coach.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@DesignerBass Are you serious? Doug Collins was the head coach until the end of 1989 season. Phil Jackson didn't become the head coach until the 1990 season LOL. I guess thanks for showing me you don't know anything. And by the way, I was agreeing with Maurice Fang anyway.

[@docholiday1463]

Gil be tripping he won the scoring title and was winning champions the last person to lead the league in scoring and win a ring same year was Shaq on the lakers. Jordon 10 scoring titles 6 rings 5 mvp’s and with a cherry on top won defensive player of the year same year as mvp

[@donela6730]

@JD Why would you give Lebron so much credit for making it to the Finals in the East when we know almost every single all-NBA player was in the West, hence why Lebron was beaten so often/thoroughly once he got to the Finals? I don't hold Lebron's Finals losses against him outside of 2007/2011 (he underperformed), but it makes no sense to give him a pass in the Finals due to stacked teams, yet celebrate a cake walk through the Eastern conference.

[@ItdoMop]

​@@donela6730 we're really going back to the LeBron, made it to the finals and the east conversation dog Jordan played in the east as well. So shut the f****** and his competition in the east was nowhere near LeBron's competition in the east. Last time I checked everyone likes Paul George Derrick Rose Carmelo Anthony like am I wrong?

[@docholiday1463]

@JD he had to play against the Celtics and the showtime lakers which are both better than any team in the league now and he averaged 30 points for his career and 33 in the playoffs nobody but magic comes into the nba and win. And if lebron was the best ever like they want him to be he wouldn’t be 4-6 that’s not even average

[@donela6730]

@@ItdoMop Yep, you're dead wrong. Lebron's East often had only 3/15 All-NBA players (compared to Jordan's East at least being on par with the West and sometimes having more), meaning virtually all the elite competition that could challenge Lebron was in the opposing conference. It's why he could get through the East without any stars but would get torched in the West. He also benefitted greatly during his 2nd stint with Cleveland because he could regularly take games off (took 2 full weeks off in 2015) and never have to worry about seeding. Meanwhile, that same action in the West would put to bed any chance at a Finals run because the talent pool out West is too deep.

[@donela6730]

@@docholiday1463 And even with Magic, he had the privilege of joining Kareem right off the bat so he never had to deal with a team full of below average players.

[@connmoney6109]

I agree with Gil. You tell someone how to feel about their experience with another person. Scottie has been telling the truth

[@cenvalleybasketball]

He never said horrible TEAMMATE, he said horrible PLAYER. "I saw him play, u saw him play... he was a horrible player" that's infact a absolutely lie, especially when greats like bird, Magic, even zeke was singing his praises going against him even tho they beat his teams.

[@nathandodson3220]

This Pod is actually great to listen to when the Crown Clown ins't there.

[@omarking557]

Gilbert is right! Everyone talks like they love Jordan or Kobe but most ppl wouldn’t work for them or hate guys like them in the workplace. Kobe couldn’t convince stars to play with him. No one wanted to come to LA to play with especially after how he treated Howard.

[@WillDSwish]

Cp3,d12,Kevin Garnett etc and he got Steve nash and d12 to come to LA so what are u talking about

[@bladebrown4191]

That speaks more to those people than MJ and Kobe. If you know what that job entails, you either meet the qualifications and fall in line, or take your business elsewhere lol

[@bentaft8791]

I can’t think of anyone saying stats are meaningless. The issue is does it contribute to winning basketball. Can that player put up great numbers on a winning team. Jordan justified his numbers by winning later.

[@TheKiddballer21]

See: Devin Booker's first 7 seasons

[@malcolmparham1991]

2016 Russell Westbrook

[@21nitsua]

Gil keeping it real 💯

[@elovette1923]

It’s funny how soon as Gil was talking about being fooled by these rookie videos the one w/ Scoot drop. Bra might be a fortune teller lmao

[@Keepit_100]

PIPPEN KEPT IT 💯… GOTTA GIVE IT TO GIL FOR HIS EXPLANATION

[@arturorodriguez8223]

Gil forgets to mention that Scottie had wrote a book that wasn't selling, so he may have started a controversy to sell books. He doesn't write in the book how his wife was for the streets🤣🤣

[@suntansuperman26]

Pippen ain’t keeping it 💯 because before The Last Dance he wasn’t saying anything like this, but after he been talking reckless about Jordan because he felt he was portrayed right

[@blackout2430]

@@arturorodriguez8223 should’ve got with a woman his own race and he wouldn’t have this problem

[@sanban6766]

@@blackout2430 what kinda racist shit is that? 😂

[@blackout2430]

@@sanban6766 that’s not racist at all you throw that word around just like every other generational fool does. The only thing that is racist is hating your self in your own image and refusing to date somebody in your own race. Stop hating yourself. I don’t hate anybody for the skin color they are. I hate people who hate themselves. Why should anybody respect you if you don’t respect your own self for being born black???????? Try again spectrum kid

[@jackramsden9346]

There’s a difference between a bad team mate & someone who pushes you to win. MJ and Kobe were a lot of things but all they wanted was to win. If you’re not about that, you’re in the wrong sport.

[@TheDakAttackShow]

How tf you gone tell a NBA fall of famer that 😂

[@lorddj9910]

That’s why Shaq left right?

[@rell_5000]

@@lorddj9910 Wrong. Shaq disrespected Dr. Buss publicly during an offseason game, telling him to "F'in pay me" in front of the whole team. He also refused to take lesser money with his injury history and advancing age. Shaq himself has admitted this, that whole storyline about Kobe having anything to do with that is false.

[@MikeBNumba6]

@@rell_5000 thank you for explaining this

[@michaelikoro7305]

True

[@shadallison8459]

"a young fella, go get that" 😂😂😂😂

[@cocaineonthewoodgrain4202]

Gill stay dropping jewels.

[@merrickjackson1623]

He said ALOT of stuff people don’t want to hear. I hate it when people do these goat comparisons but start the conversation off when Jordan started winning and act like he didn’t play 6 years before that. Or try to hold him as the gold standard for winning but fail to mention Bill Russell or say he’s the goat based on someone his stats but completely ignore everything about someone else.

[@xavierwilliams6744]

Your 1000% right because people don't realize out of bill Russell titles runs he won 10 finals straight but like you said he's not even mentioned because they will find ways to go around any facts that hurts jordans goat case but will try and find anything to destroy LBJ

[@redmanjohnson4616]

​@@xavierwilliams6744 ...when Russell was playing it was only like 10 teams

[@piccolo5346]

​@@xavierwilliams6744 Nobody was calling Kareem the GOAT in the 80s or 90s untill recently. Lebron fans started that argument to discredit MJ.

[@piccolo5346]

Yeah and once MJ started winning he didn't stop. Dude has the most rings+FMVPs in the modern era (post ABA and NBA merger).

[@xavierwilliams6744]

@Piccolo bro see this is why i hate jordan fans i swear its not MJ its the fans because yall lie for him and he don't need yall to smh. He ain't got no most rings thats a bold face lie Robert Horry is undefeated in the finals and has more then MJ but just because Robert isn't regarded as a player of MJ'S level we gonna chump him off and make excuses of why his 7-0 record don't matter but jordans 6-0 record does.......dang stop moving the goal post to praise jordan I hate that crap if......so if we gonna use rings as a brag and clear cut goat talk closer then if your not going to say Robert Horry is the goat then stop using rings period....like Gil said if they didn't win the chip all that other crap he got those other years mean nothing

[@millertime773]

They roasted Mccants for his customs and he chunked deuces 😂😂😂

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

I Mean What they Did Was Kinda Fucked Up

[@millertime773]

@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 definitely. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he decided not to come back. That was nasty business.

[@virgillesaca]

Please link me to that episode

[@millertime773]

@@virgillesaca I sent the link a couple hours ago…got deleted

[@ceevideos4298]

It’s impossible to be great at something and be a good person. Everything comes with a downside

[@13igdawg54]

When Gil took that long pause, I thought the video was buffering

[@daR2daO2daZ]

This clip is an example of Gil's take: m.kzbin.infoMVU42Z6nDms

[@n.dewayneb9258]

Gil is a beast at analyzing facts and simplifying it to the point where there is no contrary debate

[@oj_did_it343]

She talking like men and women are the same. Men run thru women, women get ran thru by men 🤷🏽‍♂️. Reality.

[@BlackKen_M]

That’s my hoe

[@chrisrobinson8339]

Yup

[@thereal3801]

Not going to lie it hit when she said it though

[@Fortune332]

Look at her. She’s high off that purple Urkel

[@MusicLuv80]

The gentleman sitting on the right side of the sofa is the only one who is talking facts.

[@MyConfession__]

Guard your heart above all else, for it determines the course of your life. Proverbs 4:23 NLT

[@sonnyqsoul]

MJ never had a winning record without Pippen, but Pippen not only has a winning record without MJ, but he has had some kinda success without MJ and won without another Superstar, some would say star, when MJ retired the first time. MJ may have been the better individual player, but Pippen was the better team player.

[@GGtheRealest]

What you talking about. They both have only 6 rings. Without Jordan, Pippen was just another role player bro

[@sonnyqsoul]

@@GGtheRealest look up Pippen's record without MJ and look up MJ's record without Pippen. As the number one option, Pippen has a better record than MJ has. MJ doesn't even have one winning season without Pippen. Pippen led the Bulls to a Conference Finals without MJ, but in a weaker East in the 80s, MJ was swept out the first round twice and lost in 5 once without Pippen, and couldn't get the Wizards to a winning record nor a playoff series. Not a fan of Pippen nor MJ, but Pippen was far more than just a role player...

[@depannist]

@@sonnyqsoul Now look up Pippen's teammates and then lookup Jordan's teammates. Also look up the teams Pippen faced vs those that Jordan faced. And no, Pippen did NOT lead the Bulls to a Conference Finals. Please learn some NBA history.

[@matthewharris9580]

@@depannist semi finals 93 to 94 and he got all star mvp that year as well Jordan without pippin has never swept a team Pippin with his cast has, you can idolize Jordan without trying to take away from pippen Y’all just don’t let up with that shit lol

[@sonnyqsoul]

@@depannist so what if it was the second round and not the conference finals. MJ never did that and he was the greatest scorer in the game at the time. All those individual stats and he didn't have a winning record. Neither Pippen nor MJ had another star in those Bulls teams when they led them, just role players. Matter of fact, didn't MJ play with the Iceman and Woolridge and Oakley, and STILL couldn't get out the first round? So miss me with the "teammates" trope. Before Pippen, MJ was just a stat stuffer and after him he was just a stat stuffer.

[@MusicLuv80]

Even Jordan was criticized back in the 80's for stat paddling. So it is not just today's players that people talk about stat paddling. Jordan didn't get special treatments in that sense.

[@gnnacharles1]

Yeah “stat padding “ with those all nba, top scorer, all stars he had on the 1985, 87 and 88 Bulls team. Brilliant and oh every year the bull won the title, which player lead the league in points per game and total points? Isn’t that”stat padding “ suppose to affect the team in a bad way? I thought so too. Just saying

[@MusicLuv80]

@@gnnacharles1 I think important thing is how many turnovers you have that really matters. Like Jordan, he would score all these points with less turnovers compared to Russell who scores a lot but has lot of turnovers.

[@rononeal6060]

This has been one of the realest conversation because it wasn't only about basketballs about real Street s***

[@daoriginalpeople9128]

Gil thank You Key words he said statistical comprehension is Key….

[@Salah-fq2wi]

Gilbert is wrong in this respect, those years Jordan had "meaningless stats" he didn't have one single all-star with him. These guys on super teams and losing.

[@GGtheRealest]

That part. Dudes are in stacked superteams and LOSING.

[@ryansibblies270]

Losing to other Super Teams…

[@HitmanHimmy]

We seen Jordan calling his teammates hos and bitches😂 he literally bullied players on camera but yall don't think he could have been a terrible teammate

[@Rockstopmotion]

He punched a teammate

[@Justjewels0]

I had two basketball posters on my wall as a teen girl: Jordan and Pippen. They were a duo to me. Everyone knew Jordan was great but to me Scottie was his assistant… in a way….so I’m feeling like there’s some truth in what Pippen is saying. However some things are better left unsaid. What does Pippen gain from saying these things ? I did not watch the last dance. Gil’s arenais an amazing show! Kudos to everyone involved🏆I don’t even CARE about this subject but here I am watching and commenting 👀

[@anthonynorman7545]

Maybe he gains some piece of mind getting it off his chest?

[@imayeseekay]

Did she try to compare Pippen runnin' these streets to his ex wife gettin' ran thru in these streets? I'm glad Gil stepped in.

[@user-bs5zp1hm8i]

I don't see how Jordan disrespects Pippen in the last dance! Pippen knows Jordan's thoughts before the last dance!!! Horrible player? Jordan? Horrible to play with? In that way, I can understand it!!! And The Last Dance was not all about Michael Jordan!!!

[@ArmandoKozomara]

Mamba Mentality is being the best version of yourself and trying to always improve. Being tough, staying disciplined, caring about what you do. Gil, how do you turn that into something bad?! Kobe has the greatest mind, and it's what made him an icon and as good as he was.

[@NotAnAstronaut2k]

Lol that's not what ppl were saying when he was still playing.. yall fake af.. Gil was actually in the league with Kob and yall think yall know better smh 🤣

[@galactic4830]

Hell no it wasn't. Kobe got crucified in the league for spouting that Mamba Mentality. Sports media used it against him like he was a selfish wannabe MJ. It only had a positive spin on it after Kobe started winning without Shaq and into later his career towards retirement. Yall rly me saying anything.

[@galactic4830]

​@@NotAnAstronaut2k Kobe deadass never bothered with anyone who wasn't putting in that work like he was. All these ignorant cats thinking it was always done positive bs. Nah, it was always a 'Me' mentality and anyone who wasn't with it, never got a look from him.

[@ArmandoKozomara]

@Galactic Mamba Mentality wasn't a thing until Kobe started tweeting the hashtag which was right around or after the championships without Shaq.

[@galactic4830]

@@ArmandoKozomara No, Mamba Mentality didn't start trending until Kobe went dark after his SA case in 03'. He never labeled it until after his case. Shaq, the Lakers FO, all mentioned he had that edge even at the start of the O'Neil era. When he did his rebrand with Nike, that's when it took off. Yall really say anything with no clue.

[@jacksimmons8767]

“She don’t deserve any more shots” Cmon Meeko! You forgot about them Gucci flip flops too

[@Greatest989]

Pippen is mad his baby mom is getting pipped down by MJ son

[@12savage68]

Imagine being mjs son and settling for a ran through 50 yr old .

[@Dr_Magi]

😭😭😭😭

[@larryjordan23]

@@12savage68 well played sir

[@letsdoit-111]

If you think that you lame as hell.

[@aaronlampkin284]

@@12savage68Man that nigga got bread, He ain’t settling, he just taking that old school camero for a spin again for the summer.

[@BlackKen_M]

Gil doesn’t know when those scoring titles were won😂 4:17 proof, NBA players just be talking

[@cmattjohnson1692]

Doesn't matter MJ isn't the goat and he's overrated weak competition at his position thrived in a era with dominant big men star guards

[@BlackKen_M]

@@cmattjohnson1692 get off Gil and Mike’s dick , they already have a bitch.

[@uncannygold]

Shoutout to B.J.'s barber though 👌🏾😆

[@anthonywashington32]

Omg i love this show

[@TheBlackVendor]

Correction! 5 of Mike’s scoring titles were NBA Title Winning Seasons 🎉🎉🎉

[@kingcane5819]

They actually DID say Jordan's numbers were meaningless. Until he started winning

[@arthor74]

This show is fire

[@MeechMadeItHappen]

I feel what Gil said about having 10* scoring titles except 6 of the 10 came in the years Jordan won a championship so clearly he was just that good whether the team was good or bad

[@MikeBNumba6]

Exactly. I laughed out loud when Gil said that.

[@whenisdinner2137]

There is no way that Gilbert Arenas doesn't understand the difference between putting up good numbers on great efficiency while just not having the team to win and a player who's chasing stats inefficiently while playing basketball in a style that will never win. He's just purposely trying to put out bad arguments at this point.

[@ItdoMop]

Bro just because you heard Kobe say that James hardens style of play is "inefficient and will never win" doesn't make it or you right. Cuz by your logic the optimal way to play basketball is to shoot 100% from the three-point line on all your attempts

[@imayeseekay]

@@ItdoMop These dudes are weird. They really think they're professional basketball critics....over ex NBA players.

[@whenisdinner2137]

@@ItdoMop nobody is saying you have to shoot 100% from the field. Just not in the lower 40%s 💀 I said great efficiency not perfect efficiency

[@joebucketsTV]

Sometimes Gil is spot-on and other times completely misses the mark. MJ’s stats weren’t empty because he was ALSO PLAYING DEFENSE. He was getting NBA Al-Defensive teams on those years, too. The man was literally giving 110% and competing on offense AND defense. Kevin Love didn’t do that in MN…Russ didn’t do that when he was getting triple doubles…hell Lebron hasn’t played defense AT ALL in almost 10 years

[@kaelinjefferies9267]

That doesn’t make what he says wrong. It’s still stat padding; being good at defense doesn’t negate the argument

[@jasonnelson6624]

Jordan was drafted in 1984 he wasn't a lockdown defender until 1988. I felt he had advantages that allowed him to dominate like being bigger. Allowing him to bully them but when he played larger guards like Reggie Lewis it was another story. Of course lewis died and can't fault Jordan for using his advantage. But he most definitely put in the work to get his results.

[@adgee5401]

He had to turn a losing culture into a winning one. I wouldn’t say his stats were hollow, but necessary. Mike still won scoring titles and made all defensive teams when the Bulls started winning. He stayed the same. His teams just got better. Not really rocket science.

[@gnnacharles1]

@@kaelinjefferies9267so you will agree “it’s stat padding “ when Lebron was in Cleveland for his first 7 years? Cause I don’t recall a championship then. How about when y’all was saying he need Help, was he “stat padding “ till he eventually got Help from All stars Wade , Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, huh Draymond Green? Just asking

[@kaelinjefferies9267]

@@gnnacharles1 yes with how players are judged today that would be considered stat padding

[@ImNotNotAllCityChi]

The reason why certain players get told that they are meaningless stats is because they aren’t winning when it comes to Westbrook all those triple doubles but no championship at the end of it that’s why the stats from meaningless. He’s still a great player and should be a Hall of Famer for what he’s done, but with all of those stats he didn’t win a championship so that means that those stats are all he was going for which I don’t think should be a knock but at the same time you have to get at least one ring while doing it

[@arturorodriguez8223]

Gil forgets to mention that Scottie had written a book that wasn't selling and may have been creating controversy to sell the book. I heard there wasn't a chapter about his wife being for the streets. So I'll placed to book in the fiction section🤣🤣

[@socalkylex]

I can’t wait until Gil gets a team to coach. He’s a genuine genius in the field

[@lamontehendricks9381]

It's not meaningless because in 88 MJ won the mvp, defensive player of the year, scoring title, dunk contest. Nobody did that back then. Pippen wasn't clowned in the Last Dance, the things that happened were facts. He sat out because he signed a horrible contract after being told by the owner it was a bad contract. He sat out the last shot by TK.... FACTS

[@niceyization1]

Facts!!

[@vincentvega9747]

But he's jordan did he win a ring than it's meaningless

[@vincentvega9747]

Dont bring up none of his accolades I only wanna hear his 6 rings cause that's all I ever hear

[@cristianlopez6801]

Well lebrón averaged a triple double in nba finals, lost and still got blamed saying the stats were meaningless…. Mj fans are quick to cry when they keep same energy for him…

[@Joe-yv4vu]

Helicopter treatment classic

[@theyellowcafepodcast]

This why I can't stand women on sports shows. They tryna make a point while she stuck on tryna save Larsa Pippen's rep #FOH 💀😭😭

[@theshire5239]

Pippen quit on the team, failed to secure the deal he wanted, and after MJ bring you 6 rings, he’s still sour as hell. Grow up and move on!

[@BooHefner]

Did Jordan quit when he literally walked away from his team while under contract twice? So jordan never made it out of the first row or even won a total of two playoff games without Pippen but somehow he brought Pippen six rings? ya'll just can't accept the fact everybody doesn't dick ride jordan like ya'll do

[@srtghost3842]

Jordan literally quit on the team.

[@kobebryant346]

Horrible take by Gilbert lol

[@dusk6159]

Checked the useless race-baiting and snaky host in a smart way though. And was smart in describing the broad

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Yes it was

[@kobebryant346]

@@jefferybarefield6372 Yup both him & Scottie were waffling

[@james167141]

helicopter treatment is crazy lmao

[@ibuynotesforsale]

🎯🎯🎯

[@PigeonCoup]

Give me these guys vs Stephen A, Skip and the Herd are uncensored.. I’m taking my guys right here. 💪🏾💯 Real on here!!!

[@amare1cro]

1:56 Brandon was kinda shooting his shot LMAOOOOOOOO

[@MusicLuv80]

You guys should know these stuff before talking about it. Scottie has always said greatest things about Jordan. Even when he got his Hall of Fame Award he specifically told Jordan he was thankful for him for winning all those games with him. After that he always said great things about Jordan. Then after the Last Dance Scottie got upset because Jordan got paid $10 million dollars but Jordan donated all that money anyways. Then he was upset because The Last Dance had a scene where Scottie refused to go into a game. That is where Scottie was embarrassed and mad about. Just my opinion though.

[@ThiccBoi23]

Bingo

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

But Scottie also so in an interview that he did pout and threw a temper tantrum and would have done it again

[@kawzx777]

Most of the time when I see a celebrity salty about life it leads to money issues

[@sarveshanandas1917]

Mad respect to Gil for keeping it civil and real. whats your Opinion then on Curry? Cause lebron has been labelled a team killer, the selfish narrative around the mamba mentality. By that logic Curry's achievements are that much more exceptional, cause he has been able to manage the narrative, his conduct & his team without being given these negative connotations.

[@mobetta2092]

People have unfairly ragged on Isiah Thomas because Jordan was the media’s darling but the reality is Jordan was truly the guy who if fans met on a personal level, the kinda guy everyone would call a pompous idiot and no one would want to be around. Isiah on the other hand from all accounts in terms of how his former coaches, teammates, and former opponents (outside of Scottie and Jordan who don’t get along themselves) show him love…including his TNT/NBATV coworkers, seems far more personable. Zeke would treat Jordan’s fans more pleasantly than Jordan would treat them.

[@mr.rationale8808]

Grown men who are fans of other men are pathetic and need to have a higher self-esteem. It's ok to appreciate what another person does, not to become a fanatic/idolater in the process. Not Jordan's job to be Mr. Nice Guy.

[@mobetta2092]

@@mr.rationale8808 look at you hater…all in this sports talk comment thread getting mad about a person showing respect for the talents and character of another person 😂

[@kilzoldyck5114]

Bron might be paying Scottie to say things about MJ for all we know 😂

[@jermillecreighton]

You sound dumb 🤦🏿

[@rawbellco49]

It’s funny how they can sit on a couch and talk down on the MOST influential NBA Player in history..

[@marvbluv1]

They just said she from the streets 😂😂😂

[@h2oGiovanni]

Did she just say “y’all act like dick can’t be ran through” I swear they can never hold and L on their own

[@AGholst502]

Jordan has 4 rings on 4 of those 10 scoring titles Gil, wtf are you talking about those scoring titles are on years they didnt do anything?

[@tyuswilliams4567]

Bro why tf was that bleep so damn loud, I bought crashed the whip

[@DCGuruX]

He is kinda right though. At first from hearing the quote from hearsay I thought he was just salty but after hearing the whole thing from him I think he's spitting facts. Jordan was getting all the stats and he was getting spanked. They were not winning until they got a coach to get him to buy into the team game. We forget this and now we expect every player after him to win and do it by themselves.