Nimai Delgado Tells Earthling Ed: “You Don’t Need To Be A Perfect Vegan!”

Nimai Delgado recently sat down with Earthling Ed to discuss his new book 'This Is Vegan Propaganda & Other Lies the Meat Industry Tells You'...
Do you agree that you don't need to be a perfect vegan?
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[@MyFruitThing]

I think the best way for someone to go vegan is to make a decision to just do it and start making vegan choices. Don't worry about doing it perfectly just start making vegan decisions and you will naturally change without the stress.

[@frompizzaaddicttovegan]

Yesssss 🙌

[@ceolbeats7182]

Why stress 🤷🏽‍♀️shouldn’t it be a celebratory perfect decision 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@stayhappylittlemermaid]

Sometimes You Have To distance yourself from people. If they care, they'll notice. If not, you know where you stand.

[@wontonparmesanmusic]

Or punch them in the face lol

[@meman6964]

Except when they block you from grandchildren and son!! She's evil to deny the grandparents relationship

[@Grande-Dame]

@@meman6964 you didn’t birth them, you didn’t put the seed inside them and it’s not illegal. Sucks but oh well.

[@peggymc554]

I've distanced myself from people that still don't respect me being a vegan, or respect vegans in general, and they still talk about consuming meat and topics related ,like it's breathing oxygen.... in front of me. After days of that kind of thing, It's only when I snap back that they wake up out of that fog and leave me alone. Why do I always have to get to that point and always be the one to tolerate their shit.

[@JnTmarie]

I’m never going back to meat or processed foods with chemicals. I’m healthier and kind.

[@ethicalvegan4852]

The definition of veganism includes imperfection "veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." YES we talk about medecine, eating animals by accident etc. not consciously and voluntarily eating animals and their secretions. We need to encourage people to reach the vegan lifestyle with kindness and facts, but too many people use the excuse "no one is perfect" to validate and feel less guilty about their actions.

[@Assassin99584]

So meat reduction is vegan then

[@SourceChan]

The problem is with the wording "as far as possible and practicable", that's way too ambiguous, and all the crazy vegans (as opposed to the reasonable ones - basically 95% of the social media ones) read it as "if you have a medical condition where you have to eat some animal product to survive, then ok maybe we can make an exception for you, JUST MAYBE, BUT if you don't, then off with your head if you're not going vegan TODAY you animal abusing psychopath!"

[@SomeFunkyKid]

couldnt have said that better!

[@SourceChan]

To be a little more direct: it doesn't actually include imperfection at all when it's interpreted as "you're only allowed to eat non-vegan if not doing so is going to kill you due to some medical condition or similar", that is already basically perfectionism, all you're saying is "ok fine, we're not going to force you to kill yourself or kill you ourselves if you have a medical condition or exceptional circumstance that requires you to eat animal products" - wow, what bravery, what mercy, wow, such amazing, what a truly humanitarian position for not telling people to kill themselves, clap clap clap. When in reality there's no moral obligation or strong compelling reason to be a 100% strict vegan in general. I am, but there's no moral obligation or strong objective compelling reason to, I just do it because that's what I believe in, but others doesn't have to. Yes we should care about the animals, yes we should care about the planet, the environment, our health, etc etc, but not necessarily to perfection - to the exclusion of all else - that isn't a reasonable requirement. If I really enjoyed hunting squirrels or fishing once a year, are you really going to call me an animal abuser and exclude me from your club? I'm never going to since 1) I don't enjoy those things, and 2) I care about not hurting others needlessly - but the point I'm making is there's no requirements for others to do that to the exclusion of all else; you might not be a strict vegan if you hunt squirrels or fish once a year for fun, but it's pretty ridiculous and unreasonable to call anyone that does that an animal abuser psychopath. Actually I can give a compelling reason to fish once a year as well, one that might honestly interest me: to teach myself to fish and slay a fish in case society breaks down and I need to get my own food. Are you going to call me an animal abuser for doing that? Do you think that's reasonable? Should we call all vegetarians animal abusers as well? Everyone has to draw a line somewhere, so it's a genuine question, where do you draw the line to justify calling or screaming "animal abuser" in public to people you don't know anything about except that they hunt once a year or whatever, how do you justify it? Don't worry, if you don't have an answer and don't want to think about anything that might challenge your view, feel free to pretend you never read the message, putting fingers in your ears and pretend you've got it all figured out but refusing to engage anyone that disagrees with you on anything in conversation :)

[@v.a.n.e.]

the first and last sentences of your comment seem like to have been written by two different people. in the first you defend the idea that veganism is imperfect, but in the last you blame people who base their attitudes on this very premise.

[@apolsusa]

when I first started in my job ( I work as a nurse) my colleagues always ask me out but I politely decline until they've realized I am a Vegan and instead of heated arguments and judgements, They became very interested and often asked about the old age question about protein and so forth. I am actually influencing them as I have noticed they have vegan shakes, one even bought vegan cookies to accommodate me but they also enjoyed the flavor.

[@80slimshadys]

The guilt of knowing they are doing something that people are against for good reason is getting to them

[@planetvegan7843]

Not guilt. INSPIRATIONAL.

[@80slimshadys]

@@planetvegan7843 Why wouldn't it be guilt? Why else would someone stop paying for animal abuse if they didn't feel bad about causing someone else misery?

[@Assassin99584]

@@80slimshadys abuse tho

[@UrielCopy]

@@80slimshadys Only you vegans experience guilt and shame. I dont.

[@bhavikasicka3098]

I am a Hindu from India and I am deeply inspired by Nimai Delgado and Earthling Ed. Both Delgado and Ed are much further ahead on the path of enlightenment than most humans, but this video is a reminder that we can all get there. Veganism is a journey, and different people are on different points. Also, no two paths are the same. Whoever is reading this, I wish you love and support on your journey. :)

[@azores15]

I agree with you about Ed. As for this Delgado character, he seems like a hustler/bullshitter to me.

[@TenTempeh]

Loved how both opinions could marry so well. I've read Ed's book and Tobias Leenaert's 'How to create a vegan world' and I think there is so much value in both pragmatism and idealism. I had my troubles with Ed's idealism until I really understood his conception of 'accountability' is actually a compassive approach towards not only animals but also the consumer. I think that can work perfectly in any debate and I'm definitely going to apply that

[@SourceChan]

I know my opinion here is unusual for a vegan, but I honestly feel like Ed isn't "idealistic" or reasonable enough, which is why I eventually unsubscribed from his channel after watching every single video on it and realizing in more recent videos he was letting me down and his entire youtube comment section is filled with absolutely insane zombies that can't have a conversation with anyone voicing a dissenting opinion or even just asking questions 99% of the time. Ed is maybe some of the closest to an open minded person of public vegan advocates/ecelebs, but to me he's just a middle of the road kind of guy, trying to "please" everyone, not ever taking any strong views for sort of "pro free speech" / open dialogue, and in fact shuts down conversations with interviews on his own channel when he doesn't like where it's going, in his past, like he talks about here, he did the same stuff just worse, he even lost his mind and starting cussing some dude out in public for "smirking" many years ago and then lied to the guys interviewing him making up a story about what "actually happened" that clearly didn't match with what they showed on video. Point being I can't really criticize Ed harshly because he's one of the most reasonable public animal rights activists/ecelebs, but he doesn't go far enough on pro-rationality takes imo, the online vegan movement as a whole is still a zombiefied echo chamber full of narcissists bickering over their superiority (not just vs other non-vegans but vegans vs vegans) instead of being open and interested in open dialogue, conversation, debate/discussion, etc, and Ed is kind of no different, he doesn't want open dialogue or discussion about difficult moral issues, philosophy, etc, he'll shut those conversations down immediately if he can on his channel etc, but he will virtue signaling how nice and smart and rational he is for not just copying what everyone else says by basically going "eh, we shouldn't be screaming all non-vegans are animal abusing r*pists I guess, I know, sorry for being controversial guys, hope you're not upset with me"

[@TenTempeh]

@@SourceChan appreciated that vision of yours and mostly agree with it. He's far from being perfect yet we can appreciate part of the job he has been doing

[@SourceChan]

@@TenTempeh For sure, and I do, I just think we can do better - and I mean Ed is miles ahead of the average social media vegan who act more like TVT or worse, which to me is really sad when we pride ourselves on being oh so rational and open-minded, but don't act like it at all.

[@TenTempeh]

@@SourceChan yeah honestly I've done better than Ed sometimes and I'm not even that long a vegan but studied a lot of the matters that sustain our position. There is lot of data to learn. But sometimes being whole in your logic isn't what matters, its sharing and getting to people out there that leads to change. What I'd really appreciate is some reeeeally really acknowledged vegan having the microphone and the huge speakers. But meanwhile, everyone makes a contribution

[@SourceChan]

@Homie I do when appropriate, but this was kind of a one paragraph rant honestly on just a single topic/point.

[@XX-gy7ue]

EARTHLING ED IS A SAINT , AND SO IS NIMAI DELGADO !!!!!!!!!

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

It is showing top the material from any update on the other hand if you need to eat eggs right now because this video is currently unavailable and Best Regards the documents in the sales team of protein in

[@jglee6721]

He is nothing but a high priest of the death cult.

[@carolames7624]

I'm 76, vegetarian for 48 years, vegan since 2001 FOR THE ANIMALS. Because they matter!

[@sophiekloppsowa1138]

beautiful message and beautifully said. :)

[@shivo4659]

I always try to go the Earthling Ed way, but always end up with the Joey Carbstrong approach 🤔

[@hierundda3742]

Which worked better on me. Thanks to Joey I am vegan for 2.5 years ;)

[@dawnshimmerglow2259]

wait what's the difference? :oo

[@80slimshadys]

Joey worked on me too

[@OnesFan1]

I'm unapologetic pushy culty vegan xD I knew joey carbstrong and Danny before Ed ... I am from the vegan gang cult school.

[@tobyuniacke]

@@dawnshimmerglow2259 Ed: so we agree that animals deserve consideration, and children should be protected. What does that tell us about consuming veal. Joey: you’re eating a god damn baby do you not see how sick that is?!

[@robrob1553]

Progress over perfection 🙏🏻🔷

[@davidsheriff9274]

Exactly right. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[@spiral-m]

Very wise messages. The vegan community needs to grow too and incorporate more compassion, like the whole world. It doesn't just stop with going vegan. To be effective for change requires this. We need to place our triggers aside to be of most help. I like Ed's mention of both compassion and accountability together. It's the key art to develop.

[@dawnshimmerglow2259]

even if no one is perfect, it doesn't hurt to do our best to do as much as we can to help the vegan movement. just by being vegan, we can inspire others around us and help break some of the negative stereotypes/misconceptions about being vegan c:

[@Assassin99584]

So meat reduction is vegan then

[@dawnshimmerglow2259]

@@Assassin99584 meat reduction is not vegan, but it's a helpful baby step. Idk what country you're in, but in America there's a lot of meat lovers that apparently grew up purely on "potatoes and barbecue." such people cannot fathom being vegan so encouraging reducetarian/flexitarian lifestyles would help them slowly change themselves. So really, it depends on the audience's childhood eating habits and their willpower to be vegan in a world where the majority is not vegan.

[@Assassin99584]

@@dawnshimmerglow2259 well you said veganism isn’t about perfection so that goes to reason that meat reduction would have to be vegan for that logic to work

[@dawnshimmerglow2259]

@@Assassin99584 I think you misrrad or misinterpreted my words. The title of this video is a man telling Earthling Ed that Ed doesn't need to be a perfect vegan. In response I'm saying that even though nobody is perfect, it does not mean we should not do our best.

[@Assassin99584]

@@dawnshimmerglow2259 and if I decided the best for me was reducing that would still mean I was vegan then

[@Insight-music]

“Perfection” on a collective scale is an illusion

[@ElliottPiano]

After you've been vegan it becomes so easy (in my opinion ) I know exactly what i can buy and not buy in the supermarket , I just veganise the recipes i love . The only difficult part is going to the restaurant (especially in france ) but i don't give a f*** if i can't go to many restaurants , my morals and animals are way more important than going into a building to eat

[@taraelrod6600]

My family is plant based and we have given dairy cheese after ordering non dairy cheese and watching the cooks laugh so we have decided to stop going out to eat. I don’t understand why people are so rude but I also understand that ignorance runs rampant here in Texas lol

[@injunsun]

Restaurants need to understand, we Vegans are not typically dining alone, or with other Vegans. If they refuse to offer genuinely satisfying options, or worse, contaminate our meals with animal products, it won't just be us not coming back, but the entire coterie of people with whom we are social. While I hate being the person others worry about going out with, I'm grateful for the support of Omnis around me, who insist I be given genuine options.

[@VerdantJedi]

All hail Earthling Ed! 🙌

[@SourceChan]

Nice summary of the Earthling Ed community.

[@thescienceofit]

@@SourceChan true. Hail someone that's doing their best to reduce the suffering of billions of others. All for it

[@SourceChan]

@@thescienceofit Everyone believes they're doing the best for everyone else, even Adolf did. And could you elaborate about the "doing their best" please; what does that entail; how do you recognize they're doing their best, and what even is their best; what is *the* best? Rallying the troops to hail their fuhrer?

[@albert6157]

@@SourceChan are you equating veganism to nazi? Totally different reasoning and values. Especially courses of actions and methodology

[@SourceChan]

@@albert6157 I'm humorously pointing out that you guys just used a nazi slogan to hail your fuhrer, that's all, because I think there's parallels yes, not between veganism and nazism, but between a large portion of social media vegans and nazi officers. The values/methods are quite similar: scapegoat/demonize people we don't like, justify it with our superior values and culture (not consuming animal products), never question the leaders, do as you're told, copy what everyone else are doing/saying, never criticize your own group, put the "fault of society" on the scapegoat group, advocate for the removal or execution of this group, etc, things many social media vegans does all the time. The philosophies are different, but the people aren't, as is the case of many other situations and groups, like say the nazis and the soviet communists. Completely different philosophies, very similar actions and people.

[@deboramoura3410]

Thank u guys for this! ❣️🌱

[@rockannie]

i like nimai's brand of ahimsa towards human and nonhuman animals alike. veganism is not perfection . sometimes practicing ahimsa means accepting nonvegans as the good people they often are- no qualifications. just pure love.

[@injunsun]

I expand on this with the notion that many others are doing good things I am not, such as homeless outreach, or roadside cleanups, or peer counselling in person for abused people, or drug addicts, meaning together we are creating a web of kindness and care, covering more than any one person's actions alone can do. We can then involve each other in these endeavours, and facilitate our collective moral growth as a community of friends.

[@tennisisphysical]

There is no reason to kill animals. Vegan for the animals!💯

[@Assassin99584]

Hypocrite

[@evilsbrother8247]

Tell 99% of the human race that and they tend to laugh at you.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@Assassin99584 Larger hypocrite.

[@OnesFan1]

💚💚💚💚💚

[@tinknal6449]

There are plenty of reasons. You just don't like them.

[@nancyratcliff7412]

Spot on....we need a lot of people at 90% plant based rather than a few perfect vegans. We are a family of 7 that are 90%. I'm not perfect, but I feel like I'm making a difference. And I'm influencing a lot of people around me with a forgiving approach by encouraging any change they can make.

[@geoffpalmer1008]

Brilliant. Thank you both for all you do for the animals.

[@RainWalking]

Perfect does not exist. People use it as an excuse to validate that they are not doing 100% all the time.

[@bonchidude]

Yes so they would rather pay to murder animals deliberately rather than avoiding this as much as humanly possible. They fool no one.

[@OnesFan1]

We are all here freely commenting because we were 100% not murdered. What if there where on another table talking about reducing our % to 90%

[@RainWalking]

@@OnesFan1 well that ironic. It is obvious you are here because you are not murdered. How does that relate to what I said?

[@RainWalking]

@@OnesFan1 so you want to point out the obvious. That the dead cannot comment. What an award for that?

[@udornyc]

This conversation almost made me tear up, because I am trying to drive that idea home for three decades! If we punch and bash meat eater over the head, insulting them, etc., we can not establish a dialogue and won't change anybody's mind. So, who does that tactic really benefit(?) and I dare to say mostly the ego of the vegan, who lets out his anger and frustration and instills that feeling of superiority. Who is losing in this situation? The animals that we try to protect!! Instead reaching the hearts and minds of meat eaters and making a progressive change, including the health issue as well, we drive them away and make them shut down when they hear anything about veganism and plant based nutrition. I so hope that this interview is going to go viral within the community, but I am certain that it will receive a lot of resistance.

[@danielfaller5617]

Thats nice and smart, but there is more and more evidence that actually meat is not just healthy but essential for humans. What can you do about that? Lets say hypothetically that if you eat a lot of meat, you will be calmer, stronger, healthier, more intelligent, you will have less illness when youre old, your mood will be better, you heal faster from injury and global warming woudnt be accelerated because of the raising of animals. If this was all true, would you be vegan, and would you try to turn others into vegans? Maybe we love meat so much because we as any other animal naturally have the ability to decide what is good food for us and we crave that good nutrition? Like you dont have to tell a lion or a cow what to eat, they instinctively know. Maybe humans are not an exception, and vegans are actually trying to fool they natural instincts by making vegan food that mimics, butter, cream, meat, fat, or whatever. I recently ate some (grass fed local) beef liver for the first time(i left most of it raw). Chocolate has a similar taste. Isnt it interesting?

[@fruitsalad7611]

@@danielfaller5617 Provide evidence. Peer reviewed evidence of these claims, not one paid for by agro industry.

[@udornyc]

@@danielfaller5617 Okay, I don't know where you get that information from and what studies those are and who funded those! The premise was for decades based on a cultural belief that animal flesh is an essential source of nutrients for the human body. 100 something years ago, having meat was reserved for Sundays after church, as a very special occasion. During the week, food was largely plant based. Later, through factory farming and large subsidies, meat became a daily occurrence and WITH IT, we started to have all kinds of serious health problems. This is proven and a scientific fact. Cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabetes and certain cancers are directly linked to meat consumption. Processed meats have been found to be class one and class two carcinogens, just a few years back. People with heart failures and other serious illnesses are being put on a (mostly, or only) plant based diet and diseases reversing. High performance athletes breaking personal bests and decreasing their recovery times and inflammation in their body drastically once switching to a plant based, vegan diet. This is information and research that shows more and more proof of exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. This is peer reviewed research. So, as much as I appreciate that you want to join this dialogue, you are doing it with completely outdated information. There is so much research out there, and one non-profit source of an M.D. that has an entire staff of science professionals that do nothing else but going through the hundreds of papers that are being published world wide and comparing them to each other. So, when this Dr. is talking about it on his website and KZbin channel, it is by far the most comprehensive research shown and source material is available. I sincerely suggest that you take a look at nutritionfacts.org by Dr. Greger. That's his website, and also the name of the KZbin channel. Please, visit that site and update your knowledge base. I don't say that to be mean, but helpful in your understanding. After all, you are visiting a vegan news channel already, which I interpret as your interest to further your understanding in this subject matter.

[@danielfaller5617]

​@@udornyc I just dont understand where the idea comes from that plant based diet is better in any way. Ok, some people got better after starting a plant based diet, but a lot of people got better after starting an all meat diet as well. And yes youre right diabetes and all that stuff started with when a lot of factories started making a lot of cheap food. However, a lot of it were vegeteble oils and refined carbs and chemicals, so its not at all the case that all these diseases could be linked to more meat. In fact search: "food pyramid and obesity correlation" Canelo Alvarez lost his title after becoming vegan. Jon Fitch switched back to eating meat after an "accidental" loosing streak and worse injuries. This is not exeptional, initially people say they feel good(maybe due to less processed garbage) and than it turns out that its not good at all. Search "total meat intake is associated with life expectancy". An other study showed that creatine supplements clearly increase cognitive function(basically iq): "Oral creatine monohydrate supplementation improves brain performance". Here is an other one "The influence of creatine supplementation on the cognitive functioning of vegetarians and omnivores". But meat has creatin naturally. How come, athletes are failing, babies are dieing and brain function decreases on a vegan diet and still, some people claim that its perfectly healthy? Finally just a funny thing: a youtubber did a challange of eating only broccoli for a week. he was in pain and couldnt do it. An other youtubber did an experiment of fasting for a week and he was fine. Seems like broccoli is worse than nothing. How can this happen when it is claimed to be so healthy?? Maybe broccoli is toxic? And if so, maybe people who make claims about how healthy vegetables are, have no clue what they are talking about? If you say ok a youtubber can fake anything, I challange you to try it.

[@udornyc]

@@danielfaller5617 The idea that a plant based diet is very healthy comes from all kinds of medical associations. From Mayo Clinic to the American Heart Association, American Cardiologists etc. Too many to mention, you must be living very isolated somehow. Btw., out of my own experience, I started to be a strict vegetarian and vegan in 1986, when I was a competitive full contact martial artist. I have been a very active athlete, including body building, technical scuba diving, mountaineering, inline speed skater, tennis player etc. all my life on a plant based diet. I have been learning about nutrition and health since 1986 and have met thousands of people like me in Europe and the past 30 years I am living here in the US. There were a few short times when I was eating meat in between and I always gained weight, had less energy, felt like I was in a brain fog and work out hurt more. As soon as I went back to eating plants, I got back to normal. If you never had that experience, you don't know what I am talking about. Your anecdotal contrarian "evidence" is not really holding up to scrutiny, because media is also sensationalizing things. If you eat oreos as your diet only, which is vegan, you will suffer malnutrition and it will be reported how bad the vegan diet is. Btw., I am turning 58 next year, people don't believe it and I am training to climb Denali by the end of next year, if time planning works out! It's just normal for me! You stay with your meat diet, and watch your risk of colon cancer increasing! It's your body and your health! Wondering why you, someone who beliefs this outdated info and is a proponent of a meat based diet, is even participating, or watching Plant Based News? Are you one of those trolls that like to "mess with vegans?" Good luck!

[@gammayin3245]

Am most impressed with this conversation 😊

[@ivanvais7754]

So glad the wordwide faces of the animal liberation movement consider these approaches!!

[@Assassin99584]

Liberation tho

[@scispiracy]

I've learned not to call myself vegan because its perception is that most are militant vegans. And also that there are several different types of vegans (raw vegan, junk food vegan, etc.) that I'm not aligned with. Veganism encompasses animal rights, but it also is diet. You can't have one without the other. So in order to keep myself out of misunderstandings or being pegged as something that I'm not, I call myself 'plant-based'. It's much safer and realistic, and never gets the non-vegans panties in a bind.

[@jackbauer5455]

I think the opposite way I like being called vegan because people often are surprised at how calm I am and how “normal” I am so by distancing ourselves from veganism label we just make it more accessible to extreme radicals and it becomes less normalized..

[@suicune2001]

@@jackbauer5455 Same. Obviously, I wasn't always vegan. So I have a lifetime of family and friends knowing me. By calling myself vegan, they'll see how I haven't changed at all that much. I'm still me but I just don't eat animal products anymore and I try my best to be healthy.

[@OnesFan1]

I also do this, I don't say "I am vegan" , I use to answer the questions like... - hey, do you want to eat with us? - no (not sorry), I don't eat animals. Or - hey I bought this (animal skin/feather) product, I thought you would like it Where I would say "no, (not sorry)I don't support animal exploitation" or "I don't wear animal skin" Only if someone make que full question "are you vegan?" I'll say yes but if they do the question I tend to first think what the context is, if they say it while talking about food and mentioning me, I'll correct them and say, "technically yes, but I follow a plant based diet" or if can't get the context I say (are you a vegan?)"I do all I can to not support animal exploitation" I might sound like an weirdo but if there is something I am strong at is my values. Plant based tourists are having a tandrum over a tag and call themselves vegan after watering the definition

[@spiral-m]

I interchange them depending upon the person I am interacting with. It's a balancing act. No absolute rights or wrongs here.

[@sharnanewman6671]

Two of my faves ❤️

[@tedrodenborn8172]

Really well said!

[@ramadeviparamkusham5224]

very well said, 'I learned this the hard way believe me' it's okay to get angry or emotional, but this doesn't mean that we have to be aggressive or anything, we just want them to understand what it's like to be vegan' 🌱✌

[@thomashunt2092]

Do we really need to know what its like to be vegan, its your choice ! Its the fact Vegans feel the need to tell non Vegans what its like and how bad and evil they are for not being vegan that irritates non vegans so much !

[@ramadeviparamkusham5224]

@@thomashunt2092 well mate, but that's the fact ain't it. See if you see someone kicking and abusing a dog, you don't mind telling them bad and evil would you? If you seen a person physically abusing his or her child, you wouldn't mind saying bad and evil? To clarify, it's just something that includes someONE as victim, someONE being suffering the pain, it's not morally justified mate. So i say it's more than telling you whats bad and evil.

[@thomashunt2092]

@@ramadeviparamkusham5224 So can you be specific about what you think equates to kicking and abusing a dog or child ?

[@ramadeviparamkusham5224]

@@thomashunt2092 okay let me ask you this, 'what makes you think kicking a dog or a child is wrong or unjustice?' Let me answer it for you, because there is a VICTIM involved who doesn't want to suffer the pain, who doesn't want beatings, who doesn't want to die. Same with cows, pigs, chickens. Every animal is sentient. Meaning there are self-aware of their surroundings, of what's happening, they fear, they suffer pain, they die. But what if we have a choice, let's say this, 'if we have a choice of saving a dog, we would do it. So why not if we have a choice not to kill a chicken, or a pig, or a cow, why wouldn't we, we would, and we should'

[@thomashunt2092]

@@ramadeviparamkusham5224 I did ask you to be specific as to what you think equates to kicking and beating of farmed animals and it doesn't seem you are able to do that. If you were to kick and beat a dog you would be prosecuted by the law and the same applies to farm animals if that level of suffering and pain occurred on farms then people would be prosecuted for it ! You say every animal is sentient so what right do you have to eliminate them from the existence which would be the consequence what you say. You see the animals being killed but you don't see their parents which live happy relatively long lives. Your choice not only kills the animal but the parents as well !

[@suicune2001]

It takes a specific set of circumstances for someone to go vegan overnight. For most, it's a transition. But once they REALLY get it, they get it.

[@rainedyani8505]

I’m one of the over-nighters - and that was over 30 years ago.

[@suicune2001]

@@rainedyani8505 Congrats! :)

[@OnesFan1]

For me was overnight. Same if someone told me than my food was made to of cats, I made the connection and create a caos in my kitchen throwing everything right before the pandemic 😂 a little overdramatic, but the good feeling of clearing my house from dog and cat flesh and products was a big placebo that let me thrive with my 80% reduced salary due pandemic

[@suicune2001]

@@OnesFan1 Oh wow. XD I was already heading towards plant-based before the pandemic for health reasons. I was eating roughly 50%+ whole plant meals. So when the pandemic hit and I learned about zoonotic diseases I thought, "Well crap....this is partially my fault. I've been literally paying for pandemics and I don't want that. So I'm not paying for it anymore." and went vegan. Since I already had a large list of vegan recipes, it wasn't a hard transition.

[@OnesFan1]

@@suicune2001 almost same here, I was some kind of vegetarian but only ate tuna sometimes... The pandemic and studying about zoonotic diseases was key. What triggered me was one day, a friend of mine invited me to a clam BBQ, first time, and I got shocked when they told me I was supposed to put the clams and oysters aline on the fire, I gone outside of the restaurant crying and the night I gone vegan.... It was too much, all at the same time, the pandemic/the poor oyster in the fire/I got a fight with my sister/also my baby animal born that day... Mi life changed forever, I can't believe I never heard of veganism before that

[@chloedemure]

It was a process for me. In 1994 i tried to go Vegan right away but it was too hard to find a lot of things so Vegetarian was easier to start and slowly took out more and more and by 2000-2001 the transition was easier more milk alternatives and choices. So over 20 years later i could never go back and i try my best with products etc. takes awhile to know the majority of ingredient and material etc names that are not plant based, cruelty free etc. i have always been non judgmental of what other people eat. Being aggressive never works, i have seen that in so many people. I use the term Plant based as these days if i say vegan or my friends tell people we meet i am vegan its the Oh one of those, while Plantbased seems to illicit less hostility strangely. Being understanding of my meat eating friends, they will happily eat at Vegan restaurants and try more cruelty free things. Its a process that the world is slowly knowing is the right way to go, wish it would move faster but change can take time, frustrating as that can be. Kindness, encouragement and teaching go a long way farther.

[@craftycrafter1960]

❤️ earthling Ed!

[@deeclark386]

Thank you.

[@LaSorciereFeuillue]

I'm a socially imperfect vegan as I've prioritised ahimsa around family as food security, body image and power differentials are a real thing in my family history. This triggers others' emotions that overwhelm me, so ... easier to go with the flow. I bless the supply chain and visualise a different scenario next time.

[@OnesFan1]

I wonder how would look like the comment section if the tittle was "you don't need to be a perfect non dog eater/cat eater" ...

[@planetvegan7843]

No such thing as 100% vegan.

[@OnesFan1]

@@planetvegan7843 how is it that you 100% don't eat dog ? XD

[@FruityHachi]

exactly, most people are speciesists

[@yogilee1]

I went vegetarian in 2008 with the aim to become vegan. I became vegan in January 2017.so nine years to get there but been vegan ever since. This is my 5th year and going strong. Never looked back. The best thing I ever did. I'll be vegan for the rest of my life.

[@0mega.mechan1c.]

And the "it's ok to be an imperfect vegan" argument is not helpful. 1. If a person's main concern is their own imperfection, they are often fake vegans or looking for excuses to fail. The "imperfection" issue is used as a Joker Clause. 2. This "not being perfect" issue is therefore manipulative on the part of the speaker, because it almost always goes hand in hand with NEVER mentioning animal torture, big ag, climate warming, starving African children, nor the plight of innocent animals, who never get the luxury of being " imperfect", because we torment & kill them.

[@LaSorciereFeuillue]

I'd love to be and eventually will be a perfect vegan however practising ahimsa to the 1% of my life yet to transform. Case in point; I took the dairy FW just now as they forgot to put it through as soy, in order to prevent food wastage. I eat what Mum gives me (5x a year) as she's 80 with guilt that she doesn't know what to make, yet really does try. I'll wear my old shoes etc til they fall apart and any new purchases are vegan. If everyone does their best in any moment then we'll get there.

[@oluwaliblue8684]

Great answer by Ed.

[@uog293]

I can't find suit jacket not made from wool or silk. Need some help!

[@hugomarquez3189]

From a personal ethical standpoint, you kinda do need to be perfect, or aspire to to the best of your abilities. But looking at it as a societal issue, 10 thousand feet from above, it’s better to have 10 million imperfect vegans than 2 million perfect ones, and since we do it for the animals and to reduce their deaths, I think it makes sense to sell it that way.

[@Assassin99584]

Hypocrite

[@arnaudrobillart9724]

Compassion is not a weakness

[@martinpedersen2650]

I always found Vegans to be idealistic, it's a lot easier to convince someone to go 1/3 vegan because they resonate with animal welfare, environmental reasons, but still won't completely change their diet. Now you convince 3 people to go 1/3 vegan you have the same impact as convincing 1 person to go completely.

[@lenbjj13]

Totally clueless as to what a progressive is. Pretty sad we reached that level.

[@planetvegan7843]

Incomprehensible comment

[@sucuribjjnc6748]

@@planetvegan7843 Comprehension just may not be a strong point for you......

[@jeovanniperez3949]

It’s wierd how I never get any anti-vegan comments in person after switching back this year I always see them online instead most of my friends and family are pretty supportive about it cus they are seeing the results I’m getting from being vegan because I can both gain weight build muscle and lose weight as a vegan

[@m.j.golden4522]

"As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no peace, no liberty, no harmony. Slaughter and justice cannot dwell together." -Isaac Bashevis Singer

[@motherdivine4241]

Abortion

[@Xelee1]

This says "Plant Based " news. Plant based isn't the same thing as strict vegan. I do choose to avoid animal products in my diet and I dont wear leather clothing. But I have no idea whether I am meeting some specification of a particular "vegan" group.

[@aie_aie_]

In a world where avoiding animal products is a struggle, being a « perfect or imperfect vegan » is not the issue. The important question is whether the person is actively working to de-condition themselves from speciesism. There are vegans who are almost 100% vegans and who make ultra-speciesist statements... these people are not so much changing society. There are 95% vegans who are perfectly anti-speciesist: and their cultural influence on those around them is very important. ✊🏼 Veganism is a major economic and political cultural change. It is a matter of working towards this, and of being at least a little consistent with it in the way we consume. But the real important thing - the horizon - is to push back the speciesist mentality.

[@bonchidude]

No such thing as 95% vegan. ANything less than 100% is plant based It is that simple. Anything that is not on is off. Veganism is the ON part of the switch.

[@avoid6304]

It's very, very simple- you either are or you aren't, no middle ground. Otherwise you are 95% anti-rape or anti-racist, etc.

[@bonchidude]

@@avoid6304 That is 1000000000000%!

[@v.a.n.e.]

I get the impression that you are talking about the speciesism as if it were something negative. there is no species that seeks to advance the flourishing of another species. why should humans be different?

[@v.a.n.e.]

so, you're plant based? you cannot exempt yourself from nothing-less-than-100% rule @@bonchidude

[@VeganYeshua]

Modern day prophets 🔥

[@BorisK296]

Why is Ed muted @1:55 ? lol

[@xKumei]

It still kind of feels like this conversation is human-centric and it feels kind of gross. Like saying we can "co-exist" as if that "we" doesn't include animals IS the problem. I get that we have to be accepting and habit change can be hard, but man do I hate it sometimes. It feels like picking the lesser of two evils.

[@bhavikasicka3098]

We live in human-centric societies in which carnism (speciesism) has been actively normalized by humans for thousands of years. Change will be gradual. Just do what you know is right, and society will reflect the changes. I understand your frustration, but speciesism cannot be dismantled overnight.

[@Assassin99584]

@@bhavikasicka3098 Carnism and speciesism don’t exist

[@anthonyhughes4642]

It’s a process, and it’s hard to do it all overnight.

[@brendascorah3649]

I just want to give a shout out in support to #TheExcelsior4 tomorrow as they go on trial in BC for exposing horrific cruelty on a hog farm here in BC Canada✊🏻✌🏻

[@RainWalking]

When something is wrong people say, I am not perfect. Ok what is, seeing you compare yourself to it. Instead of making the excuse based on what you did. Why do you not say I can do better.

[@OnesFan1]

Exactly, we don't use to accept someone saying the excuses that led the person make a mistake, we mostly tend to accept the apologies and the promise that they won't make again the same mistake. We do the same with people who committed crimes.

[@lesterlasa3367]

I share my vegan lifestyle with love and educational information I never 👎 push my opinion on someone else

[@jackbauer5455]

Your right however it’s understandable that if you see what happens to pigs in gas chambers and dairy cows for example like I have it’s sometimes hard to control your emotions so I understand why some vegans are militant luckily I know a lot about human behavior that the best way of make your point is to just have a calm, being a good example and having a rational discussion .

[@lesterlasa3367]

@@jackbauer5455 thank you for sharing this

[@arnaudrobillart9724]

Unperfec vegan is convenient and convenient is a solid weapon

[@martinholas8652]

We need to show them what they cause, they love their dogs but eat and support brutalizing more inteligent animals than their own dogs are.

[@aprilwhitney4974]

Your medication and thoroughness contributed to speeding up my healing process. I wonder what could have become of me if you weren't the one who handled my case, Thank you for helping me cure my infection naturally Dr ekan on KZbin , you are a Godsent ...

[@FleyDragon]

If someone turns away from veganism because someone was mean to them I want to ask them why they went vegan in the first place.

[@Nesendrea]

Many vegans definitely allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Scott Pilgrim’s riff on veganism, with the vegan ex-boyfriend who loses his superpowers (effectively, becomes ostracized from the vegan community) because he accidentally drinks cow’s milk instead of soy the one time, isn’t far off. I would much rather people start embracing Meatless Monday and still be omnivores 6 days of the week, then get turned off and scared away by vegans’ righteous judgement and just go on being omnivores all 7 days.

[@eebee6587]

When is Ed going to drop his skin care routine?

[@tavroaar8173]

So can someone tell me what about all the child labor and slavery work that it takes to grow and harvest these fruits and vegetables? Is that okay?

[@memcore1312]

Anti-capitalism is an inherent doctrine of veganism

[@SuperBotanica]

I am doing carnivore since 5 months now. eating keto meals with eating 200g of salad everyday - I landed on the operating table with a high inflamed appendix. bye bye vegetables and bloating colon/belly

[@Vscustomprinting]

Earthling Ed would have said "we should hear both sides of the story" on human slavery 😂

[@redbriarn6295]

This is an awesome segment. I’m vegetarian I don’t eat any animal flesh. But I often worry that certain people have an agenda that could lead to the starvation of human beings. With 70% of the earth covered in sea water and 2/3 of farmable land being marginal land ( shallow rocky soil). New advances working in Sahara regions of Africa to promote grass lands and cattle farming on large scales. Fisheries using fungus ( that are harmful to humans) and plant fiber paper factory waste to produce deep water ocean fishery farm feed. Not to mention all of the brewery, grain mill, juice production, canned vegetable factory, vegetable oil production, and failed crop waste use in livestock feed to food conversion. I’m also curious about what the community thinks about biogas from animal management, farm byproducts to insect and isopod conversion, biofuels such as butanol from farm waste and livestock byproducts.

[@Assassin99584]

@Homie hypocrite

[@redbriarn6295]

@Homie check out some of the vids that are being made in North Africa it’s working with trees and grasses to create a lush green forest and trap the water. It answered your question in the video about what type of plants can be grown in the area. It’s called marginal land, rocky harsh, hot soil, with little rain and more sand that hummus. I will agree with you it’s exploited animals, but if you watch @Joey Carbstrong vids he discusses subsistence farming and people with no other channels to get food. I sure overtime the soil will enrich and crops and grains will grow. Again I don’t eat any meat or flesh. I’m just trying to help people understand that it’s important to seek out solutions

[@redbriarn6295]

@Homie I’m sorry , please excuse my ignorance, what veganic farming techniques are being used in Saharan Africa? Thanks so much for your patience

[@redbriarn6295]

@Homie Niger 🇳🇪 is in the Sahara region it’s over 80% dessert land. They are employing native trees and grasses to create forest grass lands. Masanobu Fukuoka's seeds of the desert is a Japanese rice 🍚 farming method based in Japan for its volcanic soils. It’s a great method for organic rice farming, and decreasing consumption of sea caught wild animals in Japan 🇯🇵. Niger 🇳🇪 is using FMNR method with its own unique biological system of trees and grasses. Lower ( than Japan) annual rain 🌧 and wind erosion is not permitting farmers to grow high yields of crops. And the method does force local breeds of goats and cattle to convert inedible plants into food sources for humans. It is exploiting the animals natural resources for humans. But I do see that if this remote area with its growing population has to utilize all of its resources to stop starvation in humans, then I agree with it. Yes I am vegetarian for allergy reasons, but I live in North America 🇺🇸 where I have an abundance of vegan and vegetarian options. It’s not always the same. Even for some of family members who live on marginal land. Some of my family members raise high protein nutrient dense animal protein on steep, rocky, shallow soil land to feed their family. They don’t have a disposable income for vegan supplemented diet. Their argument is that some of the livestock has one bad day on the farm. I now it’s not fair that animals are exploited by humans but most people are completely comfortable with slaughtering, milking, collecting eggs from animals to feed our human race. Thanks for your response

[@Assassin99584]

@Homie hypocrite

[@greyhnd001]

Yea I still wear a belt I got before I went whole food plant based. The problem is my wife doesnt see what I see.

[@wraithess]

I still have my leather boots despite going plant-based a year ago. It wouldn't be very environmentally friendly to throw out good clothing tbh, just wear it out then get a new belt afterwards. Or donate it.

[@laurainman3244]

That hypothetical person that Minai Delgado describes, who is trying so hard but still eats meat, dairy and eggs six meals out of the week, is not doing anything at all. Ditto for vegetarians. His one day a week is offset by the six other days, and he has obviously not understood that when talking about injustice and immorality doing less is not the measure. So, we should give kudos to the person who cuts back on owning slaves--just a few, so better right? Or, a group that will engage in less forced genital mutilation. If someone will engage in child abuse less frequently, that's ok?! Also, you can't shame anyone who doesn't have something to be ashamed of. For example, you can't make me feel shame for being vegan. I think Ed was toned down to try to be agreeable because he knows everything i just wrote--I have heard him say as much. His point about approach is simply that he found a certain way to be ineffective. However, debate on moral issues is always ineffective unless the person is already curious. The diehard who just wants to debate is interested in hearing himself talk --such a discussion is a waste of time ( or worse in giving a platform to such a person and his ingrained ideas) and it doesn't matter how diplomatically you address him. The fact that Ed can't debate his family members into being vegan is good proof,.

[@TenTempeh]

At the end of the day, the idea is to reduce animal suffering and, as you could understand from Tobias Leenaert 'Create a Vegan World', it might be still a time of pragmatism rather than idealism. So, reducetarians might be our best take for the next years and then we may be able to talk really about ideals.

[@spiral-m]

As long as you can objectively assess what is leading to the most change and work towards that - that is the best we can do ;)

[@planetvegan7843]

"Dont try" - laura Inman, 2022

[@evilsbrother8247]

If the average life expectancy in western nations is between 70 and 90 with many making it into the 90 to 110 range, how does veganism claim to be more healthy?

[@m.j.golden4522]

"Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of character and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good (hu)man." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, German Philosopher

[@adenodeorain9771]

That poor fiddle leaf fig tree is holding on for dear life henny

[@planetvegan7843]

That Sansevieria is crushing it though.

[@JR954]

Lead by example and educate those who want to be educated. There is a subset of people who will remain disassociated with their choices and you will not change them. e.g climate change deniers, slavery and holocaust deniers, poverty deniers, etc. veganism is not different.

[@gali7196]

Nimai is zaddy

[@cookhousehero]

He says he was "a bit aggressive"? Not very truthful and introspective for such a smart person. He was horrible to people! I hope he's able to eat some humble pie, stop acting like God's gift to ethical veganism, and shifts his approach towards listening more. Like, way more. Good luck and please continue to get real. Let's hope Ed can get off his arrogance and embrace more kindness. If he's actually able to change his approach, the planet will benefit.

[@justaletdown]

He is an Imposter and his real name is Edward Gaunt. He is a fraud.

[@odelyalevy]

Perfect vegan is vegan. Not perfect vegan means you are carnivore. No way in between.

[@Assassin99584]

Hypocrite

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@Assassin99584 Larger hypocrite.

[@OnesFan1]

There is vegan and [blank] % plant base. Why they cry so much over a simple concept 😂 they wanna be named vegan when they are not, then simply name themselves anyways ... Is so elementary school toddler tandrum level

[@planetvegan7843]

No such thing ss 100% vegan.

[@ZaddyZavid]

💯

[@np5687]

I love meat

[@tonnyengert]

I love meat to and it is DELICIOUS

[@davidsheriff9274]

Well, the meat doesn't love you.

[@np5687]

@@davidsheriff9274 🤣...YOUR ANCESTORS ATE MEAT AND WOW YOU ARE HERE ?? GET OVER YOUR JUDGEMENT AND WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT GOD GAVE US THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS FOR MANY THINGS AND FOOD BEING ONE OF THEM

[@healthyhomesoflubbock3985]

Same with atheism

[@0mega.mechan1c.]

Eds arguments are not great here. He says if he refrains from perceived confrontational vegan activist behavior then people's defenses will drop & they will be more open. We in the minority community know this is untrue. Ed, like many, earnest but simplistic personality types, never seem to understand that accusations & biases are often RHETORICAL; no matter how you behave, you will be negatively labeled by some stereotype, especially when your opponent is losing an argument, which they will certainly do if they are arguing against veganism. Activist Regan Russell r.i.p. was feeding & comforting pigs, bothering noone, when her very presence irritated a certain truck driver. Every vegan has noted the hyperbolic, reactionary, as hominem arguments of non vegans: "Look, all you have to do is just value an animals life over a fleeting taste on your tounge..." "OH MY GOD YOU ARE MILITANT YOU ARE A CULTIST YOU HATE PEOPLE BLAH BLAH BLAAAAHH!" "No, bacon consumption is militant; at the expense of your health your planet & your empathy for helpless animals" "SEE? SEE? LIKE I SAID: MILITANT!" Getting past this reflexive nonsense takes strategy, not playing non-confrontational. We need to teach vegans how to DEAL WITH conflict, not pour sugar all over it. Vegan for lifeⓋ

[@brandonowen3856]

You don’t need to be vegan period

[@JJ-nt7uv]

I’m like %85 vegan 🌱 atm haha

[@bastianelken7125]

This is the criteria: Do you seek to exclude - as far as is possible and practicable - all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose?

[@Chris-kr7gg]

You don't need to be vegan full stop, just real food, that's high quality.

[@tonnyengert]

The world doesn't know that fraud Ed! Eat meat because that is very good and delicious and super healthy just like dairy products. You want it, and don't say no because you think yes if you say that because you know how delicious a steak is or a piece of chicken or a prok chop

[@robinpetersson3081]

Ok, why not shirtless?

[@Zenjohnny]

I don't condone people eating animal products but I understand why they do what they do. Big difference. We can have compassion or understand any behavior, doesn't mean we have to encourage or condone it. 🙏🏻

[@bobhill4364]

I'm a vegan who eats meat fairly regularly but I've done as much as I can to practicably reduce my consumption..

[@zhelezobeton]

Phew! I was so worried about eating that honey...

[@ethicalvegan4852]

you understood the message in a wrong way, veganism doesn"t include honey. The message is all about the people transitionning to a vegan diet and how to convince people with kindness and facts instead of shaming, not to change the definition of veganism.

[@bncrain]

@@ethicalvegan4852 Since when does veganism not include honey?

[@Assassin99584]

@@ethicalvegan4852 hypocrite

[@evilsbrother8247]

The nazis tried to force their beliefs on the jews and look what happened there.

[@ethicalvegan4852]

@@bncrain since the beginning of veganism lol

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

It is impossible to take him seriouslyy he has zerooooooo muscle mass

[@planetvegan7843]

Just like your mom.

[@mohitverma-up1ub]

I left vegan food not completely only when I need medication

[@NathanMandjes]

I’m curious, which medication requires animal products?

[@Tinky1rs]

@@NathanMandjes Some capsules are made of gelatin and for tablets they can use lactose as a filler substance (it's compactable, cheap and unreactive). It may not be possible for Mohit to get a suitable replacement without such excipients. It may also be the case that Mohit refers to animal testing, which is done for every medicin. As animals are killed for its development, you can argue using medicin isn't vegan.

[@NathanMandjes]

@@Tinky1rs Thanks for the reply!

[@FruityHachi]

@@Tinky1rs for over-the-counter medication, i try to pick the ones which don’t use gelatin, lactose or honey but presciption medication is tougher, sometimes when i explicitely say that i’m lactose intolerant the doctor prescribes me medication without lactose but sometimes there probably isn’t an option and when my mom explicitely says she has a specific disease, the doctor still prescribes her meds that can’t be taken if a patient has that specific disease

[@Tinky1rs]

@@FruityHachi for medicin interactions it's best to talk to a pharmacist. It's what they are paid for, not doctors. Doctors generally just prescribe, they don't finetune it to you.

[@justaletdown]

Edward Gaunt. He is only in the community to make money and he is playing a character.

[@evilsbrother8247]

Does ed call himself earthling incase he gets lost in outer space then they know which planet he comes from?

[@planetvegan7843]

Yes

[@standbesidejordan]

It's disappointing hearing Nimai advocate for reducetarian nonsense. I guess this kind of rhetoric shouldn't be a surprise coming from someone who posts 100x more pics of their abs than posts speaking about animals. Nimai should know that becoming vegan really isn't difficult. Holding people accountable for not supporting industries that abuse and kill animals isn't asking for much, and I think it should be expected. I'm sure most vegans have accidently eaten something non-vegan at one time or bought something they were unaware contained animal products. However, once finding out we've accidently made a mistake, we learn from it and move on, being more cautious not to make the same mistake again. Veganism does not equate to perfectionism but strives towards it. Additionally, what conviction do reducetarians have to eliminate 1 meal containing animal products a week? If they truly care about animals, they wouldn't want to support industries that abuse animals and would want to ditch all animal products altogether. As vegans, we can praise people for taking small steps while continuing to advocate for them to eliminate all animal products from their diets without being hostile. Ed makes a good point towards the end about how we need to hold people accountable, whereas Nimai seems fine with people becoming complacent. These complacent people can easily become vegan once they're properly informed. We need to remember that the reduction of someone's animal product consumption means nothing to the animals they are still eating.

[@asarcadyn2414]

I’m a carnivore and I only eat meat from pastured cattle. One butchered animal will support me for at least a year and no other creatures die in the process, unlike plant agriculture where thousands of creatures would die to feed me for a year. I believe I am doing the least amount of harm to animals that it is possible to do. Does that make me a vegan?

[@ikg459]

Definitely not vegan since you're still using animals and it is causing harm

[@asarcadyn2414]

@@ikg459 it’s a sad fact that if you want to eat anything at all, animals must die. Being vegan is about doing the least harm to animals, which is what I do. When we plough fields, spray insecticides and harvest crops, a large number of animals die - sometimes purposely and - horribly in the process. Only one animal dies a year for my pasture raised food, and it is slaughtered humanely. I think I am a much better vegan than those who only eat plants.

[@secretariat1973]

Yes. Its like you dont have to be perfect muslim to be a muslim. Just slowly improving ourself.

[@mantexas9033]

A pound of meat has 100x the nutrition as a pound leaves. It isn't even remotely comparable.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

That's not true though. Animals get the nutrients in their flesh from plants. Why not just skip them altogether?

[@mantexas9033]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent because meat is highly concentrated plant matter with 100x the nutrition

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@mantexas9033 That's still not true. I used to track my meals on cronometer and I was hitting every single target around 1800 calories per day. I stopped tracking because as long as I ate a well rounded diet I always hit them. While flesh and secretions will also hit them all, it comes along with a ton of saturated fat and cholesterol. Recent studies are linking heme iron to all sorts of cancers. If I can get everything that I need and not have to exploit an animal to do so, why take it's life needlessly?

[@mantexas9033]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent because eventually vegans aquire "rabbit starvation." Look it up. Takes about three years or so.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@mantexas9033 Funny, my husband and I have been vegan 5 years and we're healthier than ever. Our blood work still comes back perfect and we're doing things in our late 30's we couldn't do in our mid 20's. There's plenty of fat in a vegan diet - even lettuce has fat in it. Please, look this stuff up before you spread misinformation.

[@chriscrumly]

My vegan imperfection view on WOOL - hear me out; I still purchase running socks with a 7% merino wool content. Assurance by the manufacturer - anti mulesing and fair trade. Perhaps this makes it less likely that the shearers are kicking and abusing the animals in the process - I don't know? Have tried a couple of fully synthetic alternatives - but not found anything as good and can't afford to waste lots of money on expensive socks that will never be used. Plus - they are generally very long lasting socks. Under no illusion that the sheep being 'used' are probably still destined for premature slaughter but here's my question; Why is it that wool cannot be a potentially vegan and symbiotic product - in small quantities anyway? I could imagine that - depending on the season - the sheep may actually enjoy having no coat and anyhow could be 'pampered' more to make up for it - maybe? Am I wrong? And I certainly don't see why the sheep (or goat, etc) has to live a shortened and unhappy life to give up it's wool now and again? Not saying that I will not stop searching for an eqivalent vegan alternative in the future - but for the time being that's my justification. I'm not blaming myself for that one - I'm blaming the system!

[@spiral-m]

There is a lot of greenwashing in the wool industry. It uses a ton of land and water as well. personally I find a lot of grey zones with shoes, that should be durable (not like eating every day), especially shoes where synthetic ones can be really bad for the feet. They have to be comfortable and there is a time-resource constraint finding the right ones. Just my experience but the label vegan with a high price tag, does not necessarily mean better or long-lasting. I try to only buy what I need. If I find the vegan option that works great. If not - I do so much activism and am 100% with food (also organic, most regional/national/ EU - I won't beat myself up about it. Or anyone else.

[@chriscrumly]

@@spiral-m Am also 100% with food - though rarely organic due to cost. Admittedly, I have considered the ostrovegan approach with mussels for the B12 - but looking at the anatomy; heart, stomach, foot, intestine, anus, etc - best leave them be now as well.

[@LoowheezeBreeze]

Ed seems more feminine with each passing video... The public mouthpieces for meat, dairy, and eggs will have a field day mocking Ed and veganism if he suddenly begins living as Deb

[@Chris-kr7gg]

The cult is picking up steam. Who the **** is this guy, a vegan Jesus, I think not.

[@pouetpouetdaddy5]

The best ways to stay vegan, its eating animal products now and then 1100 meals a year…if you eat animal products 100 times, why focusing 100 instead of 1000 without animal products? All or nothing is never a good choice

[@pixelated.peachyangel]

So if that meal included humans would you use the same logic

[@Assassin99584]

@@pixelated.peachyangel hypocrite

[@OnesFan1]

What if those animals were dogs and cats?

[@planetvegan7843]

No.

[@petethornley7880]

I went fully vegan nearly 4 years ago, I still wear a down jacket in the winter, a leather belt for work and leather shoes for weddings and events. All of these are purchases made before I went vegan and I will wear/use them until they fall apart at wich point I will replace them with non animal derived products. Does that make me an imperfect vegan? For me it doesn't but some would say it does I dunno. For me it feels like I should get the wear out of them out of respect for the lives lost to produce them

[@suicune2001]

Nah. If you already had them before you went vegan then I don't see the moral issue in using them.

[@petergwatts9037]

I am exactly the same, I will not buy anything new non Vegan if possible. My latest second hand car has a leather steering wheel but I turned down a few models that had leather seats. Even some car tyres contain some animal products I heard. If you are sacrificing fillet steak, extra mature cheddar cheese on toast and crispy bacon sandwiches then who cares about your 10 year old shoes?

[@TenTempeh]

Some could say it makes it still 'a thing' that people wears and then kind of normalize this items being produced outthere. I don't know if that makes sense, but there's definitely some reasonable points to criticize it and still I believe your point is quite strong too!

[@loveanimal978]

Animal in yours belt or jacket is already dead...you can not make her alive with throwing jacket...it makes no sense to polute Earth more..

[@mahuuasharma9876]

can relate. I have a wallet made of suede and a down jacket I bought before I was vegan. I still use them every day as they are expensive to replace and it would be more ethical to use them rather than buy an alternative. If I were to buy an alternative, I would have to donate them and someone would end up using items that are already paid for anyways. Sometimes it makes me uncomfortable, but there is no right answer I think. I also think it's morally permissible to wear them, but maybe don't wear them 'out of respect for the lives they lost.' It can never be respectful to wear someone's skin. Instead, we can only look forward and make more ethical choices.

[@LC-tc3hz]

i am vegan for the animals its easy for me since I made that decision. I realize the pressure to be perfect is strong. Non vegans will happily point out all the ways vegans are not really vegans or are wrong to be vegan.

[@v.a.n.e.]

on what basis did you make such a decision? of course, assuming you had some basis.

[@higgins007]

Yeap it's a kneejerk reaction that doesn't make any sense upon trivial inspection.

[@injunsun]

Oh, Omnis love to implicate us in any hypocrisy they can find, and their, "Ah-HAH!" moment, when they get to justify their life of entire carelessness based on someone driving a car, or wearing old clothes bought before someone went Vegan. To obviate that, I gave away my leather clothes, use toiletries without any animal products etc., and point out, nobody can be perfect. That's not what we're asking of ourselves and others. We're asking the best of ourselves, and that others merely consider our perspectives and actions as potentially things they might do, for any one or all of the Big Five reasons.

[@v.a.n.e.]

@@injunsun do you use electricity from a vegan society-certified power supplier who has been confirmed not to utilize fuels and products of animal origin? I'm joking. the whole omni's point is that if you're already asking someone to follow in your steps, at least try to do them right yourself.

[@paulamoors]

I am vegan for the animals but I hate vegan food. I feel like I’m at a crossroads.

[@TaoAlejandro]

Very nice piece of interview guys, thank you 🙏 We don't have to be perfect, we can only do our best. Thru kindness we can help other to do the right thing, which is to be Vegan 🥰