Ninjago's Most Complex Character

It's about time I made a Harumi vid...
Web of Masks Book (Twitter thread) - x.com/Tristler_406/status/174...
Web of Masks (Ao3 Link) - archiveofourown.org/works/545...
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:35 Sons of Garmadon
1:42 The Quiet One
4:18 Delusion
6:42 Consequence
8:34 Crystalized
11:39 Sparing Lloyd
14:02 "Redemption"
15:17 Web of Masks + Wrap Up
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(all music in the video is my own, but intro is based off works by Jay Vincent and Michael Krämer)
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[@Tristler]

so after all is said & done… what’s YOUR take on Harumi? hope you enjoyed mine! 🕷️🕸️

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

Definitely one of my favorite villains. She and Garmadon are amazing. As for how I interpret Harumi in Crystalized. I interpreted these “feelings” as a respect that Harumi gained for Lloyd sometime after Hunted, and this isn’t the first time that The Overlord noticed. Is it farfetched? Yea. Is it better than your explanation? No, Trist I think you hit the nail on the head with your interpretation of Harumi in Crystalized.

[@adenweiner5573]

@@IsleofPigsStudios I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself they just had too many writers to make a good redemption arc for Harumi in Crystalized and her relationship with Lloyd it’s a complicated one cause she did admit that she was pretending to be in love with him but by the end of season 9 it feels like she really did begin to fall for him or regret hurting him and and regret her actions and what she has done, At the end of season 9 after she saved a family she and Lloyd shared a gaze and she could have looked at Garmadon but she didn’t she looked at Lloyd and she she had the look of regret, guilt and realization of Lloyd being right all along, she had just witnessed history repeating itself, children losing their parents like she did all those years ago, Lloyd warned her about this but she ignored it until it was shown right in front of her. Lloyd even said her nickname ‘Rumi’ before the building slowly feel down Like right before Cystalized. Crysalized did not add anything new by saying harumi suddenly has feelings for lloyd I believe she did already have feelings for him long before Crystalized like right at the end of season 9 when she looks at him, lloyd looks shocked and feels pity for her in this scene and after this he goes to look for her after the building crashes need I say more about it? and when she stares back at him there is no hate in her eyes for lloyd, she is just realising then her feelings for him, if she did not have feelings for him they could have had her looking at Garmaon but now they had her looking at lloyd and having her suddenly realises her feelings for him and how he was right about casualties and people getting hurt lloyd did warn her that there would be causality and she ended up being one of those casualties she did not believe him at first but then she sees it for herself and then realises that this is not who she wants to be,

[@Janbed4827]

I mostly liked her in seasons 8 and 9, even though I have some issues with how she was written. What I most appreciate about her is that unlike pretty much every other villain (except maybe Nadakhan?), she actually felt like a complex character, or at least one who got a lot of effort put into, and I liked that she left a big emotional impact on one Lloyd for multiple seasons. But the way was written was S15 was just a complete disaster, and made the issues that I had with her earlier way worse

[@CosmicKitten67]

I love her

[@bobabreastmilk]

i hate harumi but i love the way she's written

[@majgoatee]

I loved the part where Harumi got so delusional, she crossod over into the real world to posess a teenager in the US to continue her story but good. 10/10 bravo Vince.

[@Tristler]

so what i’m getting from this is that Web of Masks is canon now

[@majgoatee]

@@Tristler I'll give that a delusional yes

[@Cass0wary_399]

@@TristlerWhat I got was that Harumi possessed the writers behind every episode of Crystalized she’s in.

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

Harumi’s character in Crystalized was bit messy, but she’s such a fascinating character in S8 - S9. It was so rare to see a Ninjago character who has a personal vendetta against the Ninja

[@griffysfnafchannel]

a bit? they basically almost ruined her

[@Kaixfr]

​@@griffysfnafchannelget your facts straight, they didn't almost ruin her

[@user-sl3fi4ds8w]

⁠@@Kaixfryeah, they totally ruined her

[@Kaixfr]

@@user-sl3fi4ds8w You need to get checked

[@La-LloydMontgomeryGarmadon]

OMG HI FALCON:O

[@borikidor]

Harumi is one of the most underrated villainesses in Media. She is one of my favorite twist villains aside from the ones from AoT.

[@Omaryassin406]

i used to really hate harumi for her past of being blind by anger and grieve, however i now see how great the righting and fiction in harumi's character and development is, how she sees that her actions and ideology wasn't the thing that she wanted for ninjago and revenge and manipulating a hero who tried his best to save ninjago even though he was a child isn't what's best, i didn't like crystallized and how it lacked whrighting for mostly all characters, but i like how you explain the righting of episodes and characters, you have great content for so little people subscribed

[@Dawid23_Gamer]

I view what happened to Harumi in Crystalized slightly differently (long comment warning, you have been warned. Consider this a warning that has warned you): She was resurrected by the spirit of evil itself, she was literally imbued with a part of him and his power, much in the same way Garmadon was with the great devourer's venom, but because it was corrupted venom rather than his corruption directly, it took centuries for it to finally take proper hold of Garmadon, nevermind whatever FSM would do (actively or passively through his and the golden weapons's presence) to slow this process down even further. Harumi was much more directly manipulated and taken hold off which I believe was the Overlord pouncing at the opportunity to emotionally destroy Lloyd the next time he returns. You can see it quite clearly when in episode 14, Lloyd is actually starting to get through to Harumi, but then her eyes glow pink and she steers back on her evil course. This reminds me of how Garmadon's eyes in season 4 flashbacks would start glowing red when Chen talked about his plans to use the serpentine war to his advantage, but unlike Harumi as I stated before, the effect the venom had on Garmadon would have just been weaker at that point. Harumi just died as far as her psyche was concerned, she was imbued with darkness, and the Overlord is manipulating her and telling her essentially everything she ever wanted to hear. She had no chance of resisting. But from season 1/2 Garmadon, we know there is a thing that can temporarily snap you out of your bs, even if briefly: Love. I agree with you that the reason why Harumi didn't kill Lloyd on the surface is just because she was in control and thought she could turn him given enough time. But I believe the reason deep down why she did not kill him is because his constant efforts of trying to get through to her started to leave an impact on her. All she ever wanted is to be loved for who she is, and Lloyd was pretty much doing just that, reitterating how this is not her and how she knows she doesn't want to do this. But with Lloyd not being under threat of harm, she had no reason to give in. That is until the Overlord instructed the council to kill Lloyd. This, much in the same way it did for Garmadon in season 1, suddenly snapped something in Harumi, her main goal suddenly being to save Lloyd from death. After she did, like Garmadon, she slowly shifted back to her corrupted personality, and after Lloyd fled Primeveal's eye, they did not have contact again until the finale so she stayed in the same place she was before. Then the finale happened, Lloyd again pleading with Harumi to help him fight the Overlord, which given Lloyd was again in danger due to the Overlord, started to brew conflict in her again, but she was not able to act upon it. But that suddenly changed when Overlord was caught monologuing and said he sent the devourer, and how that "all that has happened was by his design", mirroring what she said to Lloyd in episode 14. She then put together that she was probably Overlord's puppet the entire time, being guided towards becoming the perfect tool to crush Lloyd's spirit in this final battle, and then naturally turned on him instantly, just how Garmadon if given wiggle room between Overlord's monologue and him acting in season 2, he would instantly turn as well because no amount of corruption can kill common sense. So this leaves her suddenly alive in a world that doesn't care for her and probably doesn't want her, which is ironically where Lloyd's arc in season 1 started: being alive in a world that did not care for him and probably didn't want him, and in a moment that imo fully closes Lloyd's initial arc and starts his master Lloyd arc, he fills in the same role for Harumi as Wu did for him: Showing Harumi that someone cares, because for him it was Wu doing the exact same thing that made him change into the hero he was now. Whether this stays platonic, goes into a stable relationship or a relationship that failed, I don't really care for, all would work for me, but given that the feeling seems to be mutual, I would bet on one of the latter two being the thing that happened. In case you made it this far, here is a bonus theory for you: I've been wondering about what the Overlord meant with Harumi still having feelings for Lloyd, because as I said before, she probably developed those in Crystalized. And I believe that Lloyd and Harumi were just somehow destined to meet and probably be together as well, which apparently must connect to the green ninja prophecy that states Lloyd will defeat the Overlord one day, so he screwed with that destiny by making Harumi evil by orphanation and probably using mask of deception to get her on the Garmadon path (the latter was in the book). So he didn't mean that she still had feelings for him after everything that occured in seasons 8/9, he meant that she still had feelings for Lloyd despite screwing with his prophecy. Also, 2 things needed to understand my theory: 1) I do not believe the green ninja prophecy was ever concluded as Lloyd merely keeps delaying their final battle like FSM due to Overlord's immortality (he'll have to get creative) and 2) I believe DR's plot will revolve around Lloyd actually concluding this prophecy, and Harumi being the most charged with Overlord energy due to him resurrecting her will play a crucial factor in doing so. This would also give her some actual plot relevance other than "Lloyd's love interest"

[@user-vn3sq6yw8l]

BROTHER I KNOW THERE WAS A WARNING BUT NOBODY READING ALLAT???

[@OthandoSimamane-ss1xp]

​@@user-vn3sq6yw8l I did

[@zamzamhassan2985]

This is a good take on her character in Crystallized! It makes me see her in a new light. And those theories are cool too! Lloyd actually completing his prophecy and Harumi being revenant to it is a cool concept. 👀

[@Dawid23_Gamer]

​@@zamzamhassan2985 yes, and I've only grown much more confident in the theory after watching DR S2P1 (spoiler warning, I guess) . . . I'm 99% certain that the Overlord is a source dragon class being. Not necessarily in power, but in position: He is an immortal embodiment of an aspect of reality that's been here since the beginning of time (as stated in Crystalized and season 2 respectively) and that can clearly look ahead in time, and every single one of these aspects of him are aspects of source dragons: presumably immortal embodiments of sources (that's the official general name for the aspects they embody btw) that were there since the beginning and live in the past, present and future at once, and as a nice bonus, we know that the future is not set in stone and details of events can be altered while the event itself stays in place (example: Euphrasia was meant to be thrown into nether space to free Nokt, and while this was prevented, Kai in turn took her place) which is what my theory actually states! That the Overlord saw the connection between Harumi and Lloyd will undo him, prevented whatever the original way was that was meant to happen, but this connection still presumably formed (or will form) later on regardless. It just fits so well into place, and did I mention how the Overlord originally battled FSM in what is now ninjago city (heavily suggested by the stone army being buried under ninjago lining up with with the visuals of the final battle as told by Misako, Overlord's weird obsession with the city and the temple of fortitude just confirming that this was a spot where he defended himself from FSM's might during their battle) and ninjago city also happens to be the epicenter of the merge? All of this can't be coincidence. I've seen a comment on another video along the lines of "Luckily the youtubers are making sense of the story because the writers clearly are not" while all of this subtle setup of how the realm world operates and the Overlord being tied into the new lore by source dragon abilities just overlapping with his is going on in the background, which is rather ironic.

[@adenweiner5573]

@@Dawid23_Gamer OMG OMG OMG I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE THEROY YOU MADE ABOVE IT MAKES SOOO MUCH SENSE!!!! YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! I really really hope comes back!!!( long comment warning ahead!!) I believe Harumi is lonely, she has nobody that cares about her or loves her and her birth parents are dead and her adopted parents did “care” for her but not her emotional needs and that caused her to be bitter and emotional unstable, the only one that does care about her is Lloyd, that’s why I really hope she gets redemption she has been lonely and alone for so long it’s just sad nobody but Lloyd truly gets her and understands what it’s like to loose everything, I really hope in the Dragons Rising series they will further establish these issues as well as what she did to Lloyd and she could apologize sincerely to him for all the pain she’s caused him and slowly gain his trust throughout all her episode appears, not saying they should be together but they could at least be good friends, that’s what Harumi needs a good friend, a shoulder to cry on, SHE’S ONLY 15!!!!!! She was only 15 when she resurrected lord Gamardon, and almost died at 15 after realizing her wrong doings and saving that family!!! 😩😫🥺I know age is just a number but every time I think about how old she was during all that is such a young age, GOODNESS 😳🫣😶 I remember being 15 it was AWESOME!!! No offense she’s had such a sad life. her parents died as a child, she then was adopted by the royal family with little time to grive over her lost and learned that garmadon saved the day and when u lean things as a child it is very hard to unlearn them and erase them from her mind that is why she actually thought she was doing a good thing for Ninjago cause he stopped the great devouver therefore she viewed him as a hero, then she realized last minute that this is not what she truely wanted, she was just blinded by rage revenge and let her emotions get the best of her as do all teenagers do, also when the overlord resurrected her she felt initially broken and the overlord took advance of that by telling her there will be piece in the dark thing only to realise later that she wrongly accused the ninja and it was the overlord all along so I believe she truly does feel guilty for what’s she done Harumi is no longer mad at lloyd now that she knows the truth and lloyd forgave harumi( i know everyone is mad about this but forgiveness does not mean you are letting this person back in your life and that does not mean you trust them and they are in the same place as they were in before. it simply means letting go of the poison and all the toxic thoughts and no longer holding onto a grudge.) so i don't see any reason why they can just move on and love each other and be friends and harumi has done lot of bad things to lloyd which is true but if lloyd wants to give her another chance then its his choice so i don't see the issue i don't see any reason why they can just move on and be friends but yeah I really hope Harumi comes back it would be nice to see her and Lloyd interact after such a long time who knows maybe lloyd had already forgiven harumi for all she has done cause there are bigger things happening and cause in another Tannerfishes video he says that it had been 5 years or as the ninjago characters put it years since the merge so but lloyd and Harumi has had some alone time perhaps they can start fresh i mean its been years so i don't see why they couldn't start over? harumi is no longer mad at him and already avenged her parents by helping lloyd and Garmadon defeat the overlord so she has no reason to be a villain anymore so i don't see the harm in them trying to move on from the past and try and be friends and Nya, they gave her back her powers but they managed to fix the two of them in Dragons Rising and everyone is happy why not try and do the same to Harumi like I am taking it 50% want her back and 50% don’t want her back but if they would do it right and not make llorumi happen they could please both sides like there is gonna be controversy either way so at least show us what happened or flashback best case they just bring her back and show us where her and Lloyd stand now in their complicated relationship cause her ending in Crystalized was left pretty open-ended like you can’t just leave THAT up to interpretation like too big of a gap to guess if we need to know what happened there is gonna be controversy no matter what the ninjago writers do there was controversy for the new designs in season 8 the lego ninjago movie its not like the ninjago fandom agrees 100% of the time there was always controversy people will always have different opinions but i feel like people are really big on this partial thing because of how it was portrayed in Crystalized and yeah it did look like lloyd was forgiving the abuser ect ect bla bla bla but that was not their intention but its what everybody took from it honestly which is really sad cause i really loved crystalized but yeah it should have been better pasted but it was like double the writers as it was in hunted which could explain the downfail and why so many people think harumi's character went downhill, like okay the merge it has been YEARS OKAY!!! LLOYD AND HARUMI ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE MISSING EACH OTHER LIKE CRAZY OR AT LEAST THINKING ABOUT EACH OTHER ONCE IN A WHILE IS THAT SOOOO WRONG!!??? its not like we can control either of the characters mind's you could tell they wanted to redeem her from the start but they were too many writers to have a good redemption arc but Tommy left the show and if they like her character soooo much wouldn’t that mean that they would be more willingly and likely to want to bring her back, Like I think if it were up to them they would like I said the controversy probably did a lot of speaking and decision making for them but they did not say she is dead and there are a lot of other old characters that we have not seen yet

[@Thunderdransword]

Ngl harumi is one of the best villains in the series and heck you fixed her characterization in crystallized for me plus I've only gotten to chapter 4 in your book and it's really good

[@yolkerson]

honestly harumi in crystalized is the only thing that made me enjoy the season 😭 the plot was clunky and did NOT do her any justice but i just like how Mean she is in it... Its just really entertaining to watch... and also her big reveal scene at the end of part 1 went way too hard i really hope she shows up sometime in dragons rising, she deserves to have another chance storywise.. they revived her already so the damage on that has been done now Let her Out of her Cage

[@adenweiner5573]

very long comment really really sorry about this omg i guess controversy on Crystallized and her portrayal in Crystalized will never die....so....sad (sorry for the overdramatic but damn people really hate crystalized!!) i feel like i'm the only one who liked Crystalized and liked harumi being redeemed but yeah like everyone i totally agree IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE IN ONE EPISODE LET ALONG 30 SECONDS OR SOMETHING?????? it should have been through the course of the season and ep 17 Return to Prievel's eye was the perfect time to shine some light on this and have her begin that path of redemption i really really thought they were gonna do this but no...they didn't yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (thought the controversy of her portrayal in Crystalized would die down by now i mean it has been a year and a half almost) yeah i do agree Harumi is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her i really hope Harumi comes back though I feel like more people would want to know what happened to her as time goes on I do believe the controversy from Crystalized will die down and therefore want her back in the show. do u think we will see harumi in future seasons?? like seasons 4 and 5 cause apparently. (like harumi is human too she doesn't deserve sooooo much hate. yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her) At the end of season 9 after she saved a family she and Lloyd shared a gaze and she could have looked at Garmadon but she didn’t she looked at Lloyd and she she had the look of regret, guilt and realization of Lloyd being right all along, she had just witnessed history repeating itself, children losing their parents like she did all those years ago, Lloyd warned her about this but she ignored it until it was shown right in front of her. Lloyd even said her nickname ‘Rumi’ before the building slowly feel down Like right before Cystalized. Crysalized did not add anything new by saying harumi suddenly has feelings for lloyd I believe she did already have feelings for him long before Crystalized like right at the end of season 9 when she looks at him, lloyd looks shocked and feels pity for her in this scene and after this he goes to look for her after the building crashes need I say more about it? and when she stares back at him there is no hate in her eyes for lloyd, she is just realising then her feelings for him, if she did not have feelings for him they could have had her looking at Garmaon but now they had her looking at lloyd and having her suddenly realises her feelings for him and how he was right about casualties and people getting hurt lloyd did warn her that there would be causality and she ended up being one of those casualties she did not believe him at first but then she sees it for herself and then realises that this is not who she wants to be, I believe Harumi is lonely, she has nobody that cares about her or loves her and her birth parents are dead and her adopted parents did “care” for her but not her emotional needs and that caused her to be bitter and emotional unstable, the only one that does care about her is Lloyd, that’s why I really hope she gets redemption she has been lonely and alone for so long it’s just sad nobody but Lloyd truly gets her and understands what it’s like to loose everything, I really hope in the Dragons Rising series they will further establish these issues as well as what she did to Lloyd and she could apologize sincerely to him for all the pain she’s caused him and slowly gain his trust throughout all her episode appears, not saying they should be together but they could at least be good friends, that’s what Harumi needs a good friend, a shoulder to cry on, She was only 15 when she resurrected lord Gamardon, and almost died at 15 after realizing her wrong doings and saving that family!!! 😩😫🥺I know age is just a number but every time I think about how old she was during all that is such a young age, GOODNESS 😳🫣😶 I remember being 15 it was AWESOME!!! No offense she’s had such a sad life. her parents died as a child, she then was adopted by the royal family with little time to grive over her lost and learned that garmadon saved the day and when u lean things as a child it is very hard to unlearn them and erase them from her mind that is why she actually thought she was doing a good thing for Ninjago cause he stopped the great devouver therefore she viewed him as a hero, then she realized last minute that this is not what she truely wanted, she was just blinded by rage revenge and let her emotions get the best of her as do all teenagers do, also when the overlord resurrected her she felt initially broken and the overlord took advance of that by telling her there will be piece in the dark thing only to realise later that she wrongly accused the ninja and it was the overlord all along so I believe she truly does feel guilty for what’s she done i really hope she comes back though I feel like more people would want to know what happened to her as time goes on I do believe the controversy from Crystalized will die down and therefore want her back in the show. Tommy left the show and didn’t think Harumi is redeemable but Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke think otherwise so now that Tommy left they are the new head writers of the show and since they like Harumi so much they are know in charge so they can do what they feel is right for her character and do something that would hopfully make most of the fandom happy or satisfy towards the end in she does appear like seasons 4 and 5 cause we are only getting season 2 this year so if it is 1 season per year and imo by the time they get to it people might change their minds on Harumi and maybe more people would want her back then before people chance their minds all the time the backslash from Crystalized would have probably died down by then like if we have season 2 this year 2024 season 3: 2025 season 4: 2026 season 5: 2027 that is a loooonnnng time away things might have improved by then at least i hope so... i feel like by then the writers would have already known what to do with Harumi and her character by the time she does return I believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke know harumi's character well enough to think of a way to bring her back and all that other stuff cause but it would be nice to see her as a good guy in Dragons Rising if she were to return Like Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain and Doc Wyatt confirmed that harumi’s feelings for Lloyd were there but they are complicated and Tommy Andrason had a whole other view point and I am guessing that is what caused the clashing writing in Crystalized cause Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke wrote the better episodes where we see her looking guilty and wanted to redeem her you could tell they wanted to redeem her from the start but they were too many writers to have a good redemption arc but Tommy left the show and if they like her character soooo much wouldn’t that mean that they would be more willingly and likely to want to bring her back, Like I think if it were up to them they would like I said the controversy probably did a lot of speaking and decision making for them but they did not say she is dead and there are a lot of other old characters that we have not seen yet

[@brightfurys]

harumi is my favourite ninjago character!! i've even cosplayed her a couple times, she's just awesome. i loved this video, thank you!!! :)

[@adenweiner5573]

okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@foxietheplushie]

I very much agree with your interpretation of her in crystalized.

[@sahasranandam5483]

Harumi is my favorite character in Ninjago and that's not going to change anytime soon. I still believe in Llorumi.

[@Rip_goji87]

As a llorumi shipper, she is the favourite of mine as well, my only problem is that we don’t get a mini figure of casual harumi, and that’s not right.

[@adenweiner5573]

okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@Tears-of-the-Cat]

​@adenweiner5573 This isn't even related to what he said, and also, PLEASE add commas (,) to ur scentences, along with fixing ur grammar

[@adenweiner5573]

@@Tears-of-the-Cat 🥺sorry i just get passionate talking about Harumi she's my favourite character, also is it just me or is her causal character design with the green hoodie soooo cute? harumi was sooooo beautiful and sooooooo cute in her causal wear form with the green hoodie she looks sooooo cute!!!!! and heart shaped red lips!! honestly kinda reminds me of snow white because of red lips and eyelashes!!! could she get any more girly and adorable!!!! but omg she looks soooo much older than her actually age THANKS LEGO!!!!! she is 15!?!??! I THOUGHT SHE WAS 21!!!???????? in my opinion she is one of the prettiest Ninjago characters by appearance and really hope she comes back and is a good guy

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

1. I would definitely Headcanon Harumi as someone with a fear of tall buildings. 2. The Crystalized portion will come in handy for what I’m working on 3. I don’t know if you like Pokémon, but I have a feeling that Harumi would have Litten as her Starter considering that she loves cats 4. Banger video

[@adenweiner5573]

oooooo is it a fanfic on Harumi? if so is it gonna be on Wattpad or what writing service cause i wanna read it r u gonna give Harumi a good redemption arc in the story that u r writing her in?

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

@@adenweiner5573 Not on Harumi specifically, but it includes her. It’s already on Wattpad but it focuses on another series of characters

[@adenweiner5573]

@@IsleofPigsStudios oooo what is it called?

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

@@adenweiner5573 Sodor Crystalized. It mainly focuses on Thomas Characters. But I’m warning you now, there is blood, gore, and swear words included

[@Butterflygirl659]

is it confirmed anywhere that she loves cats or is that a headcanon?

[@musingsofahomeschooler5332]

amazing work bud, its always fantastic to find video essays that don't have profanity. You wouldn't believe how hard it is. thanks for being a legend

[@reddead__]

Harumi brainrot so strong you made a whole vid abt her (great work as always)

[@Janbed4827]

Thinking about Harumi always makes me wonder if I am really stupid and don’t understand her character or if the writers are really stupid and don’t know what they are doing with her

[@maryallred-rg6sw]

I haven’t seen Crystallized yet, but I’d guess it’s the writers’ tendency to chuck a character’s development out the window after their focus season is over lol.

[@Relaxing_birdseye892]

That video with this brilliant explanation is extremely underrated!

[@nightlunastar]

I realy like Harumi in season 8 and 9. Can't say the same thing about her in Crystalized. While I like your Interpretation in the end this is just what you see. Believe me when I say that I hoped that Harumi only worked for the Overlord because she was afraid, but that's not what we got. Rather, it's explained with peace in the dark wish is stupid especially after everything that happend in season 8 and 9. The reality is that each writer had a different idea what to do with her and that's the reason why she is acting so weird. Not to forget that her redemption ark is not one at all, even if Crystalized tried to portray it that way. She didn't realised what she was doing is wrong, she just had found someone new she could hate. Also, why did Lloyd never told her that it was Phytor who freed the great devourer, he was standing just behind her when she was blaming Lloyd again for her parents death.

[@adenweiner5573]

okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@acronixwoodentrains3058]

I Love Harumi She’s a Awesome Character and I would Love to see her Beautiful Self Return in the Ninjago Sequel Series Dragons Rising But If They Don’t Bring Her Back at All and Ninjago Season 15 Crystalized was the Last and Final Time we See Harumi Then I Will Say “Harumi You were an Very Amazing Character and a Very Awesome Villain and Your Character was Done Really Well I Hope You Continue to Keep Redeeming Yourself and Become an Ally to the Ninja Team In the Ninjago Franchise Off Screen Love You Harumi Farewell Quiet One” 😔🥰😎

[@adenweiner5573]

godddd i really hope it is no the final time that we see Harumi again, she just started her road to redemption i believe deep down she is a good sweet kind person i hope they bring her back in DR so we can see that redemption arc be continued (Okay u can tell me if i already told u this or asked u this cause i have really bad memory and if i did i am sooooooo sorry!!!!) okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@acronixwoodentrains3058]

@@adenweiner5573 I definitely Want Harumi to Return Sometime in Ninjago Dragons Rising😎🔥

[@LloydGamer666Yt]

yoo love the video keep up the amazing work !!!

[@Rexster240]

Banger Vid!!! The music at 0:21 that {I think} you did was so good, and your points and explanations were well done!! Harumi for me personally has always been pretty great, the only time I didn't like her was only really in Roots and Return to PrimeEvil.

[@ACriticalRetrospective]

The more Harumi videos, the better. Great video!

[@maryallred-rg6sw]

How does the Overlord tie into the “first spinjitsu master creating and founding ninjago” lore again?

[@leahpaz64895]

10/10 analysis dude!

[@La-LloydMontgomeryGarmadon]

3:03 SO. TRUE. SO SO SO MUCH BETTER

[@LimitWIS]

great vid

[@thesupremeleader3172]

I would love you to make more videos in this style for other caracters. I love harumi so much. Also what is the music in the begining of the video ? It's like a remix of her theme. Did you made it yourself ? 😗

[@BlueSaber007]

Im a llorumi shipper who loves the OG ninjas a bit better than the new designs,i can say that harumi is one of the best villains of ninjago i love how she's just blinded by her anger and hate and just is blaming Lloyd for everything,and when she revealed herself she was angry,sexual (a little bit) and hateful,and she executes it well.

[@supercrystal339]

Well now that she learns the truth about her past, now she can have a chance.

[@oliverwilliams9432]

Idk how to explain it but ur just rlly good at youtube

[@mrefromninjago7665]

Harumis path of darkness was for nothing because of the overlord.

[@samaron8970]

I have a rather different interpretation of Harumi, you asserted that her main goal was peace and that her hatred for the Ninja just clouded that, and that's certainly the way crystalised wanted to present it, but I actually think it's the other way around. Throughout seasons 8 and 9, Harumi's main goal is certainly revenge, and she admits to this, when Lloyd confronts her about her reasons, she doesn't give a speach about peace, she plainly states "I want you to feel the emptiness I feel." Everything she does revolves around Lloyd and making him and the Ninja suffer, the main reason she wants to bring Garmadon back isn't because he destroyed the devourer, but because using Lloyd's own father to destroy everything he loved would hurt him the most. She wanted to become Garmadon's daughter to spite Lloyd, to become more important to his own father than he was and then have that father kill him. Any desire for peace she might've had was only something she invented to justify her own actions to herself, vengeance was clearly her top priority. It's the most insidious kind of revenge, she didn't just want to kill Lloyd for what he did, she wanted him to suffer in every way she could make him suffer, she wanted to make him love her so that she could shatter his heart, then use his own father to beat him nearly to death and then crush his family right in front of him, if her original plan had succedded, she probably would have told Garmadon to kill Wu and Misako too. She wanted to take everything from Lloyd, his heart, his family - both real and adopted - his father's legacy, his home in the bounty, his ideals in the form of all Ninjago, and even his very soul by trying to trick him into using the mask of hatred. Harumi is one of the most sadistically evil characters in the entire show and even a frightenningly realistic show of whay sheer hatred looks like. That is the problem I have with crystalised, her story ended on a perfectly ambiguous note with her maybe realising she was wrong but still no where near redeamed, and then they dragged her out of the ground to fill a role Pythor was perfect for for the sake of shocking the audiance, and then proceeded to redeam her?! Harumi is not a character that can be redeamed, certainly not in only one episode, yes, I see her turning on the overlord after he betrayed one of his few character traits and engaged in monologuing, but there is no way she joind the Ninja's side after that! Just because the Overlord was also responsible doesn't mean that Lloyd is absolved of all responsability, her sheer hatred for him has defined her entire character from start to end, she would never let that go, nor should Lloyd let go of what she did to him. Those two characters should be totally incapeable of forgiving eachother! Even within Crystalised, Harumi tried to make Lloyd watch her kill his family again. That is why I say Crystalised ruined her.

[@Corbyin]

LETS GOOOOO TRIST VIDEO

[@musingsofahomeschooler5332]

"You don't understand, man, the Wildbrain seasons are good! All you have to do is ignore the awful characterizations and pretend that half its events aren't canon!"

[@shabaoobla8832]

Tbh it makes sense for the overlord to choose harumi to be the one to bring her back. She had already brought a powerful evil back to life once so she proved that she could do it and then when she died the overlord had easy contact with her since he was kinda dead too

[@sistermeera]

Ah!! Web of Masks is a very good book, well done! I like how you write Harumi :D Edit: Just finished it! And wow, what a roller-coaster. So much emotions through the book, and I really love Harumi's and you-know-who's interaction, I think they could've been the best of friends, two girl bosses? YEAH. Definitely need more of these, if you could 😂

[@Tristler]

thank you! i haven’t started writing it yet but im mapping out a plot for book 2 rn..

[@sistermeera]

@@Tristler awesome!! We're looking forward for it :D just take ur time and have fun writing!

[@LuigiMario-ny2gz]

Hey trist in the Jay walker account from twitter and idk how you don’t have more subs Since you are so famous due to web of masks

[@LuigiMario-ny2gz]

I meant I’m

[@apoole54]

She has basically the exact same redemptioner as morro

[@thecakecoleate]

my interpretation of rumi‼️‼️ (i didnt watch the video yet) harumi is my second favorite character, shes so misunderstood by the fandom, her trauma is often seen as a joke and not as a valid one because the ninja went through "worse things" it doesnt matter, trauma is trauma. I hate how almost no one realizes that rumi and lloyd are almost the same, the thing with rumi is that she had no one to help her with, but lloyd had wu, lloyd had everyone, but for rumi? her only world was her biological parents sometimes, i also have that feeling that some ppl hates her because shes a female character, its not the first time i see ppl(mostly lloyd fans) hating her because "she manipuled lloyd" "she tried to k!ll him" "she traumatized him" which is funny because those same ppl may are morro fans, and he did all 3 above(just a little addition, morros possession is canonically lloyds most traumatic experience) I wish ppl also realized that when she donated food for the poor, it wasnt a act. she rlly wants to protect ninjago and its ppl, but she lost control midway(which is seen in s9, when the city was completly destroyed) I like to imagine that harumi realized the weight of everything she did just for vengeance(her faithful expression when she saw that boys family says everything) and turns out she destroyed families just like the great devourer did with hers, and I like to imagine that she accepted her fate(I honestly think she could have escaped if she wanted while the building was falling down, but she just accepted it) I love her.

[@Radin-productions]

This was very interesting to read and I agree with you she doesn’t deserve the hate

[@Radin-productions]

This was very interesting to read and I agree with you she doesn’t deserve the hate

[@adenweiner5573]

@@Radin-productions i guess controversy on Crystallized and her portrayal in Crystalized will never die....so....sad (sorry for the overdramatic but damn people really hate crystalized!!) i feel like i'm the only one who liked Crystalized and liked harumi being redeemed but yeah like everyone i totally agree IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE IN ONE EPISODE LET ALONG 30 SECONDS OR SOMETHING?????? it should have been through the course of the season and ep 17 Return to Prievel's eye was the perfect time to shine some light on this and have her begin that path of redemption i really really thought they were gonna do this but no...they didn't yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (thought the controversy of her portrayal in Crystalized would die down by now i mean it has been a year and a half almost) yeah i do agree Harumi is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her i really hope Harumi comes back though I feel like more people would want to know what happened to her as time goes on I do believe the controversy from Crystalized will die down and therefore want her back in the show. do u think we will see harumi in future seasons?? like seasons 4 and 5 cause apparently. (like harumi is human too she doesn't deserve sooooo much hate. yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her)

[@Litgaming776]

​@@adenweiner5573Harumis charachter deserved better cuz her redemption did not feel like a redemption to me. The writers did her dirty imo

[@adenweiner5573]

@@Litgaming776 yesssss omg yessss poor Rumi she doesn't deserve so much hate okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@imMittensKitten]

My opinion of Harumi has always been complicated... I _say_ she's my least favourite character, but it's not really that... every time there's a manipulative character like her, I always feel the same way- it's like a friendly rivalry I guess? Same with Ronin. I love her character, I'm exasperated by it... I dunno :')

[@adenweiner5573]

i guess controversy on Crystallized and her portrayal in Crystalized will never die....so....sad (sorry for the overdramatic but damn people really hate crystalized!!) i feel like i'm the only one who liked Crystalized and liked harumi being redeemed but yeah like everyone i totally agree IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE IN ONE EPISODE LET ALONG 30 SECONDS OR SOMETHING?????? it should have been through the course of the season and ep 17 Return to Prievel's eye was the perfect time to shine some light on this and have her begin that path of redemption i really really thought they were gonna do this but no...they didn't yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (thought the controversy of her portrayal in Crystalized would die down by now i mean it has been a year and a half almost) yeah i do agree Harumi is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her i really hope Harumi comes back though I feel like more people would want to know what happened to her as time goes on I do believe the controversy from Crystalized will die down and therefore want her back in the show. do u think we will see harumi in future seasons?? like seasons 4 and 5 cause apparently. (like harumi is human too she doesn't deserve sooooo much hate. yeah i do agree she is a pretty controversial character especially her portrayal in Crystallized i mean i always thought that 50% of the fandom didn't like her and 50% of the fandom loved her that's what it looked like to me (P.S, I'm one of the 50% who loves her)

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

She’s a great villain but she pisses me off on a personal level. Ronin is too goofy at times to evoke those same feelings for me

[@imMittensKitten]

@@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah Yeah, that's about it xD The thing that annoyed me about Ronin was how many times he changed sides.

[@aglassofwater7931]

Harumi was really right, the Ninjas were never a real heros. Ninjas have always corrected their past mistakes. Even the return of Asphyra was caused by Master Wu's actions. Garmadon and Harumi were the only real potential heros. I believe Ninjas could have compromised with Garmadon. Garmadon would have control of the city of Ninjago and serve as central defense, while the Ninjas along with Wu would search the rest of Ninjago in order to gather information about potential enemies. P.S:Harumi is a better option for Loyd than Akita. She's the kind of person I'd argue with just to make her angry.

[@eat-ski3129]

harumi was a great villain and i was really rooting for her. even tho i love lloyd alot more, i was laughing over how she played him. they completely ruined her and she was better off as one of the bad guys😭 but harumi is a terrible love interest for lloyd. thanks to her lloyd got even more issues and it would be so messy if they're together(sorry i know this is solely about harumi, just putting my thoughts on the ship)

[@funniestthingiveeverheard2792]

Do you ever plan to release your music?

[@Tristler]

i posted the intro to this one on my twt twitter.com/tristler_406/status/1771580835235233925?s=46&t=Ov3uw3fg5qVL-OsSm7oVYQ

[@nicatb2857]

harumi is kind of like ninjago’s kratos but not exactly

[@Avas_dove]

arrrgg i love harumi so much I love her character design while shes a villian its not too simple but its not overdone and i love it so much. also this may be a little controversial but i absolutely devoured harumi during crystalized- she was just so amazing. However they didnt do her that much justice in the end of cryztalized. Overall, i really dont like the ending fight of crystalized so i dont blame harumis character. i think the ending fight couldve gone so much better. either way harumi is my favorite character and character design i hope she comes back in dragons rising season 3- if there is an announced season 3. lloyd does not deserve harumi. shes so much better than him smh

[@BriannaTheGirlWhoLikesDinos]

I've really had mixed feelings on her. She's entertaining but doesnt have the best dialogue. I like her as an anti hero. I think that would fit her best in the future.

[@MKT-Ginger-Fox]

Spolies for ninjago I’d your just started watching it 😮❤

[@johnbrando5336]

Ooh wow your story is good crusty unironically thought it was good despite him founding crystalized complaints. The fact that a worse idea on paper Garmadon’s redemption using a plant is by far the best part of the season, just proves how amazing it could have been and still could be. I no longer think Harumi’s handling is the worst thing about Ninjago *ahem* Lego using ai *ahem* isle agrees *ahem* and who knows anything can good can happen even if it seems unlikely after all, who thought puss in boots 2 would be a masterpiece all around. So yeah Yep I made another essay length comment. I miss when that Obi wan KZbinr did them lol.

[@adenweiner5573]

i also liked how they tried to redeem her in Crystalized even though it could have been thought out better because she saved a family at the end of season 9 right before she died she and lloyd both looked at each other and harumi had this look of gulit in her eyes and even lloyd was shocked in that scene and soo upset that we went to go find her in the rumble to see if she was alright, when he said and we saw the flashback i was crying he loves her and cares for her soooo much. her redemption arc in Crystalized was not greatly executed they could have done better, i think they were trying to make her have a redemption arc and were trying to develop her character more and i liked that cause there were moments where u can just see deep down she didn't want to be evil she didn't tell Garmadon about lloyds location until he almost killed her and when she and lloyd both looked at each before she died she had a look of gulit regret and affection towards lloyd so i can understand why the writers tired to give her a redemption arc cause in the last moment she did something good and seemed to realise her mistakes if they would have just done 22min epsiodes it would have been good I really do believe it could have a really great redemption arc for Harumi, her redemption arc could have been better if it were for longer episodes and there were too many writers to make a good redemption arc, well at least they tried to that's a small thing i'm happy about that fact they actually thought of giving her redeeming her in the first place Tommy andrason described the writing of season 16 Crystalized was like a tug-of-war and that to me would make a lot of sense cause in one episode you would have Lloyd and Harumi hating each other and in another you would have them looking out for one another and caring for each other but I do believe that next year maybe the back flash would calm down and possible season 3 or 4 of dragons rising when everything is calm they might bring her back again but they would benefit a lot by bring back old characters like Skylor, Pixel and Garmadon first before Harumi if they were to bring Harumi back it should be a little after they being back other side characters what do think?

[@Nothing_here1204]

Here before you’re famous

[@BreaksBee]

one thing i really wanna see is if harumi shows back up in dragons rising like for a just a bit like not a whole new season i want the red face makeup gone so we know she ain't villain no more and i wanna the ninjas to tell them it was pythor who freed the great devourer.

[@adenweiner5573]

i love harumi, i loved her when she was good, and is in just me or when she was in her causal green wear she is super cute!!! harumi was sooooo beautiful and sooooooo cute in her causal wear form with the green hoodie she looks sooooo cute!!!!! and heart shaped red lips!! honestly kinda reminds me of snow white because of red lips and eyelashes!!! could she get any more girly and adorable!!!! but omg she looks soooo much older than her actually age THANKS LEGO!!!!! she is 15!?!??! I THOUGHT SHE WAS 21!!!???????? in my opinion she is one of the prettiest Ninjago characters by appearance and really hope she comes back and is a good guy, okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@BreaksBee]

@@adenweiner5573 like how long is her period in kryptarium for her age. also man i love your enthusiast even if it was bit long.

[@Conn0rYT]

I think you need to see a therapist@@adenweiner5573

[@LightningLL]

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[@griffysfnafchannel]

until crystalized she was great.. I hope if she ends up appearing again she is behind bars and they try and do some damage control and try and make her act like how she I supposed to. maybe she doesn't care about Lloyd but no longer hates him and Lloyd doesn't trust her that much but thinks she won't be a danger to ninjago any more.

[@adenweiner5573]

okay well here is what got me hoping harumi might come back lemme know what you think.. i see why some people think that she won't come back or don't want her back but these are my reasons on why i think she might come back like okay we have not seen Skylor or Pixal or Vania yet we haven't seen any old characters yet in season 1 or in the season 2 trailer and she is not dead that is the only hope i am holding on too, and it wasn't just harumi who was portrayed badly, so was lloyd and nya but they were fixed in Dragons Rising and now everybody loves them again? like it was that bad in Crystazlied i get it was controversial but i didn't think it was this bad! this is what got me holding onto hope: * Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke really like Harumi apparently and they also see her as a broken villain that's what i've been hearing and also believe that Harumi is redeemable (I do believe Doc Wyatt and Kevin Burke do understand her character and her relationship with Lloyd they see the human within her and see that she has some goodness within herself and it could have been a good redemption arc there were too many writers for that) * we did not see any other side characters yet * she is not dead cause they did not confirm that she died or any other character had died in the merge if they are all still alive so is harumi if nothing is confirmed * She just got revived in season 16 and we did not see her in 4 years since her death in hunted and she is not dead so they cannot just throw her out she is alive if was dead that would be a different story but I hope she is not otherwise her return in Crystalized would be totally pointless so yeah those are CORRECTION WERE those were my pathetic reasons and beliefs on why i think she is coming back... but these reasons are pretty pathetic reasons right? like okay if no other side character ends up showing up by the end of the show, like you've mentioned Pixal, Wu, Garmadon, Skylor, Dareth then i would be totally cool with harumi not showing up HOWEVER!!!!! if all side character BUT HARUMI end up showing up here is what i will tell the creators of Ninjago quote Heather Chandler (from Heathers Musical, first lyric from the song Candy Store) Heather Chandler: Are we gonna have a problem? JK!! i wouldn't say that but i wouldn't lie i would be pretty pissed how about u? yes i know that other people would think this is a good idea but i really love harumi so i would be really upset and angry how about u?

[@zanewithdasideye]

I like her as a villain but crystalized ruined her in my opinion after all the stuff she did Lloyds like "she's with us" bro ignored all the deaths because of her plus I hate crystalized and she made it worse

[@Tristler]

tbf i think that’s more of a Lloyd issue than a Harumi one..

[@Blackoutblogstransformers]

Don’t complain, but Ninjago is so overrated. There’s better Lego me out there like the Lego movie or the LEGO Batman video games and even the other TV shows.

[@catsarecool9331]

Go hate somewhere else. Maybe there's a Ninjago hate forum? 😂

[@EchoKILLSH0T]

Ninjago is for babies... JK, Its the best show OAT