Is SLAPCHOP the Future of Speed Painting Warhammer?!

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0:00 Intro
2:22 Testing the SLAPCHOP Method
4:57 What Do I Think of It
5:52 Improving on Slapchop!
8:59 The Step You Need (but don't want)
11:33 Is Slapchop 2.0 Better? FINAL COMPARISON
12:19 Final Thoughts

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@GarredHATES
@GarredHATES Жыл бұрын
I’ve combined honest gamers slap chop method with Richard Gray’s grim dark method and got some pretty cool results. I call this method, the Slap Dick
@hall79w
@hall79w Жыл бұрын
Well played Sir, well played.
@Mephiston
@Mephiston Жыл бұрын
I would have gone with Dick Slap, but that works.
@somethingbatty950
@somethingbatty950 Жыл бұрын
The Dick slap rolls off the tongue better ;)
@magnusmillerwilson
@magnusmillerwilson Жыл бұрын
LOL genius.
@BjrnHjorhoy
@BjrnHjorhoy Жыл бұрын
😂
@willerwin3201
@willerwin3201 Жыл бұрын
Alternate approach: At the end of a game, while you're waiting for another, pick out your MVP model from each match and edge highlight it. Think of it like an award ceremony. Give it a name and write it on the base. Add little motifs for each MVP award. Build the stories of your army as you paint in more detail.
@f0zzy0zzy
@f0zzy0zzy Жыл бұрын
Bro... this is cool lol I love this idea
@JayyEVee
@JayyEVee Жыл бұрын
Doing this since the 90's. To me this was the way to show a trooper had actually accomplished something and deserved extra treatment. Extra knee badge here, kill slashes there, Mortus something something written here or there, etc.
@ruinwell4266
@ruinwell4266 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been thinking about doing something similar with my new World Eaters: give them skulls and bloodied weapons effects for each veteran, sergeant (or above), or character model killed in combat (or add a skull to the base of Kharn, Angron, etc.)
@warbuilderj22
@warbuilderj22 Жыл бұрын
yes awards decals, and even freehand
@grottoguru6473
@grottoguru6473 Жыл бұрын
This is such a neat idea, I will be using it!
@mancominiaturas
@mancominiaturas Жыл бұрын
Been doing this for a couple years, but i called it "en grisaille" . 1. Prime black 2. Zenithal highlight with light grey 3. Nuln oil (To bring shadows that even if its pointing up, it should have shadows EG : shoulders) 4. Dry brush with pure white 5. Contrast 6. Then add a few layers of highlights if needed Great video, btw. Glad you showing people this kind of technics, and removing fear from them to try new approachs
@jaanikaapa6925
@jaanikaapa6925 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. This way is what... 200 years old style?
@chappy4756
@chappy4756 Жыл бұрын
Marco Frisoni did a great video on this technique with contrasts 1.5 years ago
@allenmoyers4458
@allenmoyers4458 Жыл бұрын
I find it funny I accidentally stumbled into almost the same workflow trying to crank out a battletech army. XD
@pol1756
@pol1756 Жыл бұрын
@@jaanikaapa6925 way more than that. That technique is around since the 14th century
@kgoblin5084
@kgoblin5084 Жыл бұрын
@@jaanikaapa6925 Zenithal highlighting is a fairly recent development, at least with gaming mini painters. To use the technique you also MUST have both a reasonably transparent paint (or one which will draw away from a model's recesses), & the zenithal technique... if you have both those tools in your portfolio then yeah, 'slap chop' is fairly obvious, but if you miss one then it's not (or you bemoan that you end up painting over your zenithal...). So maybe not 200 years, but obvious development given knowledge of zenithal highlighting & access to paint with transparency.
@milliondollarmistake
@milliondollarmistake Жыл бұрын
I have never bought a model in my life. I've never even put one together despite being gifted some in the past mostly because I know I don't have the patience for painting. Seeing the speed and effectiveness in this video made me completely reconsider
@Sorrowdusk
@Sorrowdusk Жыл бұрын
Search your feelings. You know it to be true. 🖌
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 Жыл бұрын
The advantage of Slap Chop is it gets your models from grey to tabletop ready, quickly. I myself have used the method to get a unit of Kruleboy Gutrippas to an adequate standard in only a couple days. But, as with all painting techniques, it can also be layered upon. The paint job pushed even further when you have the time and energy to do so. The model is done when you say it's done, and there are many levels of "done" a model can be.
@4lc4p0rn
@4lc4p0rn Жыл бұрын
i agree, slap chop is ment to be fast, and anything added to it should have noticable benefits while taking a minimum amount of time to be worth it, otherwise the method looses its value for its purpose. personally i add one step to it, i add a tiny bit of white to each of the contrast paints left on the pallete, and use the brighter colour to highligt a few key exposed area's. the contrast medium in the contrast paint makes the highlight semi transparent, and slightly runny, while the thicker consistency of the paint with added undiluted white means it will be less runny than pure contrast. its not quite as bright as a real highlight, but it does create a nice smooth gradient to the highlights done, and only adds one or two minutes of work to each mini.
@RotGolem
@RotGolem Жыл бұрын
Having (successfully) tested the slapchop method myself a while back, I cannot stress how important are the small pure white highlights done with the brush after the overall drybrush in the prep stages. They make a LOT of difference, and make the inks/Constrast paint perform so much better. And the best part of it, is that is a layering that you don't even need to be really careful about doing carefully, you just slap it on the areas you think will stand out more, and you're done!
@BouncingTribbles
@BouncingTribbles Жыл бұрын
100%, it's worth going in with a normal brush and really making sure the top areas are opaque
@NeroRedfield
@NeroRedfield 4 ай бұрын
@RotGolem: The small pure white highlights are the ugliest thing about the Slapchop method. The models look like they're fresh out of the freezer.
@herewardfeldwick8230
@herewardfeldwick8230 Жыл бұрын
I've been slapping & chopping over coloured zenithal primes for years. It's my secret to success - only difference is for my dark first primer I go for a contrasting colour, rather than a complementary one. So for orange armour I might have primed blue, green or purple, then zenithal with a pale warm colour like yellow or off-white. Gives you maximum popping contrast and super interesting rich, contrasting shadows.
@austinplaisance4456
@austinplaisance4456 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see an example of this, sounds cool!
@blooper1098
@blooper1098 Жыл бұрын
Strictly from an experimental standpoint I'd be curious to see the "warm" undertone dwarf compared to a cool or neutral undertone. Just to see what amount of change in color temp.
@NameIsDoc
@NameIsDoc Жыл бұрын
Pink with white highlights works wonderfully with yellow glaze. As yellow over a warm pink becomes orange giving you bold weird shadows
@optimchs1
@optimchs1 Жыл бұрын
Check out Marco he does dwarfs with different undertone warm and cool
@stingray4567
@stingray4567 Жыл бұрын
This feels VERY similar to the methods Marco has been using on the NJM youtube channel for a few years. Hes shown many interesting combos of; zenithal, translucent coats with inks/contrast paints, oil washes, and pastel highlights. And speed he can churn out high quality sets of models is nuts
@ckal_
@ckal_ Жыл бұрын
I hope he's not acting like 'slap chop' is new or something. it's contrast over zenithal. people have been doing this for years.
@winder2793
@winder2793 Жыл бұрын
This is literally what NJM has been doing for a while but now its a trend.
@thatdarnsatan
@thatdarnsatan Жыл бұрын
It's good to give it a name whether it's brand new or not. You can tell people, "so you're going to want to airbrush or rattle-can a zenithal highlight -- that's from above. I don't know why it's called zenithal. Greek, maybe? Oh, it's from zenith. Anyway, you're setting a basic highlight--" etc. OR you can say "slapchop, KZbin, go."
@ckal_
@ckal_ Жыл бұрын
@@thatdarnsatan not when they are taking credit for the method when they didn't create it. plus how hard is it to read what zenithal highlight is? takes 60 seconds
@cormacsmall9442
@cormacsmall9442 Жыл бұрын
I don't get how everyone below seems to be missing the key point. This isn't just zenithal and contrast. The whole idea of this is that you're using light gray for the zenithal instead of white, and then dry brushing highlights over that before adding the contrast. I know it might not feel revolutionary, but we're talking about putting paint onto miniatures. It's pretty simple stuff that we've mostly figured out, and we're not going to be seeing any scientific breakthrough that completely changes the way we do things, so even a small advancement is noteworthy. Even if it's just rearranging steps we already use.
@TM-hf6cr
@TM-hf6cr Жыл бұрын
Hey Jon, Just wanted to say thank you and I love your content! I was out of the painting hobby for about 6 years (I was far to critical to my mediocre paintjob, had no fun anymore). Saw your videos last week through my youtube feed and I have been so motiveted by your content I have done nothing but painting, watching your vids en listening to your podcast while painting. Keep doing what you are doing. You really make a difference, you are very clear, enthousiase, motivate and make things seem posible to do yourself. Sooo.. to end a far to long comment: Thank you!
@PirateAgonistes
@PirateAgonistes Жыл бұрын
What a kiss ass.
@MRtheoriginal
@MRtheoriginal Жыл бұрын
The first time I saw a video about Slapchop inspired me to actually paint some of my own miniatures for the first time instead of just admiring other people's work. It always seemed too overwhelming before, but this method is a great entry point for learning the basics and actually completing some minis instead of having them in perpetual "needs more work" limbo.
@shomzlezilebovic
@shomzlezilebovic Жыл бұрын
"knowing is half the battle. other half is lasers." --Ninjon, 2022.
@CheffBryan
@CheffBryan Жыл бұрын
And here I was thinking it was violence. The army taught us all wrong!
@Winterydee
@Winterydee Жыл бұрын
Hell anyone who grew up watching G.I.JOE already knew what Ninjon said... where do you think he learned it from?
@shomzlezilebovic
@shomzlezilebovic Жыл бұрын
@@Winterydee Thnx for the info. I was too young to remember specific GI Joe references. Must've been 4 or 5 when I watched that cartoon. I still have one action figure somewhere, the one with the parachute.
@Transfixed
@Transfixed Жыл бұрын
I think he got that from a T-shirt i've seen
@CheffBryan
@CheffBryan Жыл бұрын
@@Transfixed I think it was a misinterpretation of a shoebox with an ad for starving children with missing toes. You could only find em at Speners and only with a $200 purchase.
@uruk_bye1232
@uruk_bye1232 Жыл бұрын
learning just how incredible contrast paints are through an airbrush made me start on the road towards this style. it comes together really quickly, makes you think about a lot more than base/wash/highlight, and it's very easy to weather. big fan.
@Miniac
@Miniac Жыл бұрын
ROB THA GOD GAMER
@cantydarknorthmedia
@cantydarknorthmedia Жыл бұрын
He will always be rufio to me
@nicozandhuis1865
@nicozandhuis1865 Жыл бұрын
Rob him? But why?
@nurglematthew893
@nurglematthew893 Жыл бұрын
Shout Out Rob the Honest Wargamer
@cantydarknorthmedia
@cantydarknorthmedia Жыл бұрын
@@nicozandhuis1865 he has a dark dark past... as a... I almost darent say it.. DJ RUFFIOOOOO
@Web-man_
@Web-man_ Жыл бұрын
Spoke like a true ork
@kevinhayes517
@kevinhayes517 Жыл бұрын
An excellent and fun tutorial….always happy to see how you approach different aspects of painting the figure. Appreciate your time and teaching!
@codylittrel
@codylittrel 9 ай бұрын
Just getting back into 40k and decided to strip and repaint my whole army. This video got me hyped to try a new paint style and I just wanted to thank you for your easy and helpful videos!
@Asytra
@Asytra Жыл бұрын
This is not too dissimilar from my process that I use when painting with Army Painter Speedpaints, I'll have to add the dry brushing step to my process and see what the results look like! Thank you Jon for having such an open minded approach to the hobby and not being afraid to experiment and share new techniques with us. Also much love for the shout out to us D&D painter nerds!
@muzey4382
@muzey4382 Жыл бұрын
Honestly awesome how much your channel has progressed, Jon. You’ve become by far one of my all time favourite mini painting channels. Even when I know I’m not going to use the majority of things in a video, I watch it anyway. Great work mate 🙌👍
@sonicwingnut
@sonicwingnut Жыл бұрын
His Trapped Under Plastic podcast is top notch as well if you haven't seen it already
@Khalek420
@Khalek420 Жыл бұрын
i was using a very similar technique back around 3rd edition 40k. there was no airbrush used and i didnt have any fancy names for it. we also didnt have any of the fancy paints of today, so it was watered down paints and washes. but its how i painted my dwarf warband for mordheim, and i really dont care if ppl believe that or not. was something new i tried, as my army was iron warriors...that was just chaos black, dry brush boltgun metal and burnished gold for the trim. i have terrible eyesight so couldnt do any of the finer details, which was one of the reason why i chose them...was purely the ease of the colour scheme at the time. once i started learning the rules and stuff i relised how much i loved playing them.
@andrewcoates4952
@andrewcoates4952 4 күн бұрын
I love nothing more than painting the armies as vibrant like the 80’s boxart
@naitp
@naitp Жыл бұрын
Great video! I feel like this is super similar to the speed painting method Sorastro recommended in the LOTR orcs and goblins and bandits video years ago. Dana Howl is also a big fan of this underpainting method and has some great demonstration videos. It's cool that the 40k community is finally catching on to speed painting over a zenithal + drybrush, but if you want to pay some dues, those are some folks to check out.
@cliffwood7386
@cliffwood7386 Жыл бұрын
I feel like you could use 1.0 on the average schmucks in the army, then 2.0 it up for the characters. Still uses all the same paints, so it's a cohesive scheme, but you spend a little more time punching up the contrast on the special ones.
@gregcharlebois2674
@gregcharlebois2674 Жыл бұрын
^this
@ekhiotzvergara6629
@ekhiotzvergara6629 Жыл бұрын
I do similar to this and Dana Howl’s underpainting, without an airbrush. It gets a good base to play with glazes and mix of colors in the wet palette with medium (I don’t use contrast). Nice video!
@robertmerkel7139
@robertmerkel7139 Жыл бұрын
Kinda just started painting. Each video of yours helps abit more each time. Thank you
@themalaphage673
@themalaphage673 Жыл бұрын
I've been loving seeing the new Leagues models! I'm getting mine soon and I'll definitely be practicing my edge highlighting on them
@JulioLenin88
@JulioLenin88 Жыл бұрын
And with the upcoming Vallejo's answer to Contrast, I'm definitely going to get a blast with this technique!
@johnbryant6690
@johnbryant6690 Жыл бұрын
Slapchop 1.0 would work very well with speedpaints. If you do not want to mess with the extra highlights the "reactivation" challenge is eliminated. Apparently, a little Matt varnish or contrast medium eliminates thr problem too
@Chipnuts
@Chipnuts Жыл бұрын
Great video and brilliant techniques. The edge highlighting before colours is something I never considered.
@MagiusDel
@MagiusDel Жыл бұрын
The thing that I find most interesting about the slapchop method is that it's almost identical to the technique that I used when I first started painting 15 years ago (though I do want to try the new and improved version of the technique at some point). Prime black, drybrush over that with white, then paint over that with the colors I was going to use anyways. I've long since moved to a different technique (zenithal highlighting with using paint triads to set up the shadow/midtone/highlight), but I think it would be fun to go back to a tried and true technique that is a step further than what I cut my teeth on (with a paint that fits the technique to a T).
@szilardtiti5766
@szilardtiti5766 Жыл бұрын
I painted my whole Tau army slapchop and didn't even know. Used shades instead of contrasts and made osl instead of edge highlight since the shades toned the vibrancy down by a lot. Its quite amazing how fast you can paint like this and finish an army in a day
@optimustrond
@optimustrond Жыл бұрын
Love your videos, man! Haven't played or painted in a few years, but watching your videos really makes me want to start back up again! Great work!
@davidsickles4510
@davidsickles4510 Жыл бұрын
I love that you took an awesome idea for quick painting and expanded upon it! I also appreciate that you didn't say that your way is better, just that you are expanding on it which is true. Both systems of Slappage are great but yours does add that quick detail while not adding too much time. Thanks so much for the video, I will certainly be adding this in for the 6 armies I havent finished yet :P
@PIaEE223
@PIaEE223 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, I've been doing this for a year and now I know what it is I'm actually doing.
@electrictrojan6719
@electrictrojan6719 Жыл бұрын
add oil wash/ pinwash and you have... the Marco frisoni speed painting technique
@Marcusstratus
@Marcusstratus Жыл бұрын
Really been enjoying your recent speed paint videos!!
@gemlord6
@gemlord6 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick and easy to understand tutorial. Got six miniatures to paint this weekend. I was about to buy a set of Contrast paints and got laid off right before I pulled the trigger. I’ll see what I can do with thinned down Vallejo paints instead. Good luck me. Keep up the good work. Love what you do.
@robertsvallin3500
@robertsvallin3500 Жыл бұрын
To me the hobby is all about painting something that is fun. Taking the time needed. I’ve seen a lot of speed painting techniques and I guess they have their uses if you actually play. I just paint for the fun of it. Good content as always Ninjon!
@jasperpott6341
@jasperpott6341 Жыл бұрын
I consider myself slapped, moving dry brush edge highlighting before contrast totally makes sense…i did expect you to paint a whole army though 😉
@magnusmillerwilson
@magnusmillerwilson Жыл бұрын
Slap Chop 2.0 is exactly what I’ve been doing for a while as my noob painting technique has evolved. I love the quick and easy base coat that this style gives you from the modified zenithal prime layer to a base coat of sloppy Contrast paints. It preserves the value sketch of the undercoat allowing you to then do finishing touches and true metallic components to achieve tabletop+ ready results in a relatively short amount of time. The efficiency of it makes my ADHD engineer brain sing! Thanks for trying this method out Jon and improving upon it!
@Vector-li9gz
@Vector-li9gz Жыл бұрын
The song at 8:31 is called "In My Bed" by Pure Indigo, for anyone wondering.
@Hello-1814
@Hello-1814 Жыл бұрын
The slap-chop method works really well! The space marine was a very nice gaming piece! I would stop at the original slap chop to paint armors.
@darrinscott6612
@darrinscott6612 Жыл бұрын
Jon's slap chop is like the Marco Frisoni method without the oil wash
@99Plastics
@99Plastics Жыл бұрын
Literally the way Marco has been painting for years now.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
I looked at a Marcos video and while the goal is similar, he airbrushed and carefully painted the undercoat. The Slap Shop I’ve learned is to drybrush twice (one grey and one ligher white) with a makeup brush all over the model for seconds. I would say that the tools used and time spent is quite a quite difference.
@03dashk64
@03dashk64 Жыл бұрын
@@vinterbjork4128 it’s not Jon’s method. It’s been around for a LONG time. It’s just painting thin paints over a zenithal.
@chrisbyford2943
@chrisbyford2943 Жыл бұрын
I started painting again in 2020 after about 20 years, I use a grey primer and white drybrush, contrast or base coat then a wash, then a light drybrush and then highlights if it needs it. Most of the time this works well and can finish a lbout 2 or 3 models in a couple of hours
@77thincoats82
@77thincoats82 Жыл бұрын
Step 1: Knowing. Step 2: Lasers. Step 3: Leia Organa gives me Medal of Bravery. Chewie goes home sad.
@Annies_mini_marvels
@Annies_mini_marvels Жыл бұрын
The crossover I didn't know I needed 🥰
@benjaminfugate4031
@benjaminfugate4031 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to get five units of troops for Votann and paint them up as the Lions of Voltron, color scheme wise
@B__C__
@B__C__ Жыл бұрын
Do the Voltron made out of fifteen vehicles for more variety. 😉
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for years, sketch style underpainting. Though I do have a step 3.5 that is going back and doing a recess shade with a wash to bring out the contrast even higher. This is before Contrast paint came out so I was using glazes as a step 4.
@themightyodd
@themightyodd Жыл бұрын
Love this one. Super inspirational and accessible. Makes me feel like I might be able to paint up some decent models without too much suffering.
@elliotthompson8972
@elliotthompson8972 Жыл бұрын
What colour did you use on the marines armour? Kroxigor Scales? Aeldari Emerald? Also would love a paint list for the LoV model too!
@Brainbean
@Brainbean Жыл бұрын
Looks like Akhelian Green
@slang7905
@slang7905 Жыл бұрын
now do it in oils and you get a less grainy result that is even quicker with auto blending :D that would be james wappel approach. Downside would be the drying time. Awesome video as always sir
@tony1kenobi468
@tony1kenobi468 Жыл бұрын
Was going to say this, JW is the goat of oil mini painting. Even though I watch the guy no idea how he does it!
@jimholmes4729
@jimholmes4729 Жыл бұрын
first time I’ve seen one of your videos. Love your emphasis on experimenting and learning. Nicely done!
@M1tZk1
@M1tZk1 Жыл бұрын
What I like is once I got my models to a battle ready standard abd get some games in with them, I'd constantly go back to units I use more often and give them some more love. Maybe some better highlights, some weathering and damage effects. Maybe up the base a bit. Making the whole process more fun, since you don't have to do all the work the first time around and it also feels like an upgrade or a lvl up for your units that you enjoy the most.
@kaz9357
@kaz9357 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy the video, but would really love to see this done without an airbrush. I feel many of us don't have airbrushed. Vincent Venturela did something similar with just drybrushing, and would be curious how you would approach it without an airbrush
@kgoblin5084
@kgoblin5084 Жыл бұрын
I don't have an airbrush, & really rarely even use spray cans. Basically just replace all the zenithal applications with drybrushing or a wet overbrushing. You'll struggle to replicate a true zenithal effect, but you can get close by restricting how you apply the dry brush coats (focus more on the head, less on the feet). That's really just it. The part that actually matters is applying a paint coat that will show what's under it.
@CaptainRuff
@CaptainRuff Жыл бұрын
Rob's original Slap Chop video is all drybrushing. Really the grey step was more an overbrush, but no airbrush needed. That said, some large GW models or big boxes cost more than a simple airbrush set.
@kaz9357
@kaz9357 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainRuff its not really a matter of cost, more practicality. I don't have the ability to run a compressor.
@CaptainRuff
@CaptainRuff Жыл бұрын
@@kaz9357 Everyone's situation is different, so whatever works for you. Painted is best, however you her there. Honestly unless it's a space marine and you want that super smooth shading, the drybrushing undercoat probably looks best for slap chop anyway. Before slap chop came out I tried something similar with a much more complicated undercoat moving up between more shades of grey alternating between airbrush and drybrush and honestly it was a waste of time when bright grey then white dry brush gave the same or better results
@kaz9357
@kaz9357 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainRuff I appreciate what you have to say. I should def do a deeper dive into this technique and the dry rushing side of it. Thank you
@TheBuefurd
@TheBuefurd Жыл бұрын
It's a great method for painting minis quickly! But yeah, he didn't introduce this to the world of miniature painting. Many of us have been doing this for years and years.
@colonelcabbage
@colonelcabbage Жыл бұрын
No, I'm pretty sure he introduced it to us after learning it from those Turkish monks.
@bathtubanarchy
@bathtubanarchy Жыл бұрын
@@colonelcabbage thought it was in the dead sea scrolls?
@MisterTingles
@MisterTingles Жыл бұрын
@@bathtubanarchy no, i think he must've been scrolling through Twitter looking at pictures of Sea Monkeys... that's usually where I get my inspiration from.
@pbkobold
@pbkobold Жыл бұрын
I think the catchy name Slapchop is a genuinely substantial contribution. It makes it really memorable for new painters like me. When I’m overwhelmed by fancy techniques just reach for Slapchop.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
Drybrush all over the model for a few second and then using transparent paints? Slap Chop is actually the first time I’ve seen people paint that way. I’ve seen alot of people zenithal spray and/or carefully paint an greyscale undercoat with a normal brush.
@ericprice3225
@ericprice3225 9 ай бұрын
I am one of those people who never gets around to painting their models due to the time involved (I’m a busy person!) but this method is so quick I’ll definitely be giving it a go. Thanks for making such a fun and informative video.
@Cosmic.Kraken
@Cosmic.Kraken Жыл бұрын
Great video Jon! I've been watching for a while and have to say each video you put out is better and better. Looking forward to the next one- keep it up!
@torros1839
@torros1839 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say this was new Many people including myself were painting Warmaster and other figures using this method 20+ years ago
@aidanobrien4735
@aidanobrien4735 Жыл бұрын
Yup. This was pretty much THE way to quickly paint minis in the late 90s. Mosty drybrushing on heavy grey and a light white, then watered down colors on top. EZPZ.
@nevver1004
@nevver1004 Жыл бұрын
None of the methods that miniature KZbinrs present in their tutorials are new. They’ve all been done decades ago by others, often scale model builders. Or in many cases by canvas painters hundreds of years ago. That’s not really relevant though, they’re introducing these techniques to a new audience, and if they give them a catchier name in the process, that can only be a good thing! It’s all about the presentation and helping people have more fun while becoming better painters.
@torros1839
@torros1839 Жыл бұрын
@@aidanobrien4735 we were using inks rather than paint except for metallics and flesh
@aidanobrien4735
@aidanobrien4735 Жыл бұрын
@@torros1839 Just watered acrylics for those of us who didn't have money for decent supplies back then. lol
@malcolmjcullen
@malcolmjcullen Жыл бұрын
This is basically how I've been painting my T'au for the past 3 years - base coat of Army Painter Chaos red, dry brush tawny pink up to white edge highlights, do the lenses and then done.
@thomasbowman3579
@thomasbowman3579 Жыл бұрын
Do you apply a contrast paint?
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
But.. that is completely diffrent?
@Schmaratul
@Schmaratul Жыл бұрын
I think this is a great technique simply because it still varies so much based on brush skill and color choices. I think this technique can take me (and many others in the beginner to average group) a great deal of the way through my/our painting journey of becoming better at mini painting.
@LongWarVet
@LongWarVet Жыл бұрын
Great video, excited to try this out!
@nobiggie928
@nobiggie928 Жыл бұрын
Thats a great method to get stuff done fast but for me its not really something new or worth the hype? Sure, its great to teach and spread the concept of it. But I would not go that far and say that its the future or anything. Great video as always though! I always enjoy your content a lot. You really gave me back the passion for this hobby, after my own personal burnout after painting commissions only for two years without a break. Thanks man!
@chromasus9983
@chromasus9983 Жыл бұрын
I'd agree with this sentiment. Zenithal basecoat isn't really anything new, whether by spray or by airbrush, and neither is painting a model using only contrast paints. I wouldn't necessary say that drybrushing a zenithal coated model with white or using a light gray at first to be a groundbreaking new technique.. But it is a handy tutorial nonetheless. :)
@Kinghammer15
@Kinghammer15 Жыл бұрын
I may show my age in this post, but gamers were doing this style in the late 80's and early 90's. They would generally use inks. Also, maybe 20 years ago GW published this in How to paint Citadel Miniatures. A Eldar Guardian was used, if I remember correctly.
@YoshisPainting
@YoshisPainting Жыл бұрын
This has been happening in this hobby for years. A while back they tried rebranding "blacklining" as well. It's kinda interesting to see techniques used in scale modeling for decades eek their way to the miniature space as some newfangled technique.
@MechanicalFrog
@MechanicalFrog Жыл бұрын
Fun technique. Thanks for doing the video.
@sirpoupadou
@sirpoupadou 11 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks foe sharing. This was exactly what i was looking to achievevwhen i ordered a whole new translucent paint set up. I'm a very slow painter, so i love the idea of very fast undercoat/midtones, but i dont really like the muted watery finish of pure contrast/speedpaint. Highlight edging post-contrast looks ace as you did it, and definitely worth it imo. 👍
@stephenbussphotography2430
@stephenbussphotography2430 Жыл бұрын
Why add more complications, even with the airbrush? The original makes painting easy. This just complicates it for beginners.
@s7r49
@s7r49 7 ай бұрын
Beginner I found it easy effective and fun.
@kgoblin5084
@kgoblin5084 Жыл бұрын
'Slap-Chop' is really just an ex-post-facto name for something that people have been doing since day 1 with zenithal highlights + contrast paint. Hell, it's what I've been doing or trying to do since getting back in the hobby over the last year. Nothing new other than the term. My own thoughts on how to vary the process: 1. for the initial undercoat, use multiple colors. Either apply with brush or spray, create an initial zenithal effect. Simply paint top half 1 color, bottom half another. If you want to get fancy try to keep the bottom more in the shadows. 2. if you're feeling extra lazy, don't bother with the double-layered zenithal, & either do just a single spray or drybrush zenithal. As usual with a drybrush zenithal, don't sweat making it a true zenithal vs just creating a light/dark contrast between raised areas & recesses 3. swap out the white drybrush with another super-bright tone, in order to influence the temperature of the color scheme. Disclaimer: I've only played with yellow & off whites here, & the results have been minimally impressive. For maximum effect would probably need to play with reds, blues, or greens 4. bringing 1 & 2 together... this is how to get yourself away from the bright-primary-GW style color scheme; as both those modifications will dull down your mini to a grittier style. 5. in the interest of f*** GW, use alternatives to contrast paints. Obviously AP speedpaints come to mind... but also artist inks... & my personal favorite -> mix up glazing & heavy matte gel medium in your palette & water it down to taste. Creates distinctive mottled paint coat, not perfect for everything but gives you a lot of free texture & a sorta-painterly look. Basically anything that gives you either transparency &/or reliably pools on raised areas will work here... you just need to not cover over the initial zenithals. 6. Continue the slapping & slap on some wash. More grimdark, more contrast between raised area & shadows. Single extra, very quick step.
@gregorde
@gregorde Жыл бұрын
I’ve been playing with adding black tamiya panel liner to the under coat to make deep shadows and more extreme contrast. Sometimes layering transparent inks with the airbrush.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
I would say a part the ”slapchop” is how you apply the undercoat. Instead of spraying a zenithal from above or paint on an greyscale undercoat with a normal brush; slapchop is just a few seconds of drybrush grey then white with a makeup style drybrush.
@kgoblin5084
@kgoblin5084 Жыл бұрын
@@vinterbjork4128 "slapchop is just a few seconds of drybrush grey then white with a makeup style drybrush." That's pretty much how anyone is going to apply a zenithal sans spray cans or airbrush though.... folks know you need it thin so drybrushing is the obvious way to go, & folks know to use makeup brushes for dry-brushing purposes. It's still just giving a new fancy name to the most obvious way to do a zenithal with a brush. Using a non-makeup brush to apply a non-drybrush zentihal-like 2-tone undercoat frankly seems to me to be the less obvious & more novel method. And, to be blunt, as someone who has tried that... it is not really a slow process. You're just *slapping* 2 colors onto your models in quick succession. Drybrushing is really only faster since you save on drying time. Actually applying the paint might even be faster & certainly is easier, since you don't have to monitor how much pressure you are applying as with a drybrush.
@CasualTS
@CasualTS 21 күн бұрын
For those interested, the "Sex Pillow" song is actually "In My Bed" by Pure Indigo.
@markchristy9704
@markchristy9704 Жыл бұрын
I saw this technique (or one very similar) on another channel but they did not use the "Slap Chop" name. I used it on a handful of minis from Battletech and am very happy with the results. Thanks for your video expanding on this idea for making things fairly quick and easy.
@jackkallio8599
@jackkallio8599 Жыл бұрын
As someone from the "nordic model" countries, the union bashing seem soo strange. Unionize ppl!
@hampuskullberg9932
@hampuskullberg9932 Жыл бұрын
It's because American's love their government and knows they are vastly more competent to dictate the minimum wage instead of letting the people involved in the market (employees and employers) work out an agreement. Because the government always knows best in America ;]
@Xanogos53
@Xanogos53 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha. It's because Companies spend massive amounts of money in anti union campaigns for the last 60 years so they can continue to keep wages low. Sometimes a union does become corrupt, but you can then change leadership where as you cant change a Profit seeking CEO. People in unions are more often paid more then non union and have more benefits. However we, Americans are so far lost we vote against ourselves far too often.
@Vin_Venture896
@Vin_Venture896 Жыл бұрын
You don’t need unions peasants! Just accept what we pay you and shut the hell up! No no, ignore that industries with unions have far better pay and quality of life, collective action is ABSOLUTELY NOT the way to stand up to billionaires!
@TheHonestWargamer
@TheHonestWargamer Жыл бұрын
Im super pro union
@koshey245
@koshey245 Жыл бұрын
The amount of issues that I've heard from literally everyone in a union when the union reps get involved makes me despise them
@jaanikaapa6925
@jaanikaapa6925 Жыл бұрын
Sooo... Grisaille.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
Yes, but achieving it through a very quick drybrush with a makeup-style brush instead of a zenithal spray or applying the Grisaille by hand with a normal brush.
@Neves1789
@Neves1789 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff Jon. Recently did a WW2 German army with zenithal, transparant field grey overall, detailing with one coat of contrast/acrylic, streaking grime and cleanup, highlight the faces, finish the bases with mud putty and snow putty. Very quick yet very striking effect.
@MarcinEstkowski
@MarcinEstkowski Жыл бұрын
I've seen this Votann minis unpainted, and thought "great minis". Then I saw some of the paintjobs on them, and thought "eee... nope". This is the first Votann mini painted I really enjoy. (I saw your previous video - like the paintjob, but that was only about the paintjob, not the mini AND painjob together).
@Slouworker
@Slouworker Жыл бұрын
Why do miniature painters always call basic techniques like preshading some weird shit like "slapchop" and then pretend they invented it
@richardmunoz2995
@richardmunoz2995 Жыл бұрын
There is a lot of insecurity in this hobby due to feeling like classical painters look down on us, which they obviously don't. It also comes from the fact that a lot of hobbyists and KZbinrs have no understanding of classical techniques and terminology.
@echoporter4867
@echoporter4867 Жыл бұрын
I must've missed the part where they claimed to have invented a new technique. All I see are folks showing others some techniques that work for them, nothing wrong with that.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
The big difference with slapchop is the way and with what speed the preshade is applied. There is no Zenithal spray or carefully painting an preshadow. It’s seconds of drybrushing with a makeup style brush. I see no problem with having different names to differentiate different ways of applying preshade. And no, ”they” did not pretend to invent it at all, quite the opposit actually.
@Lichtonatus
@Lichtonatus Жыл бұрын
It’s very strange to see the painting method my friends and I used in high school (15 years ago or so) being touted as a new “invention”. It’s not even new to the youtuber circle, as you’ll find videos from Dana Howl and Vince Venturella on the subject dating back years.
@chrisburrows1380
@chrisburrows1380 Жыл бұрын
I guess the new element is mainly around contrast paints. I'm guessing you used inks and washes back in the day
@richardmunoz2995
@richardmunoz2995 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisburrows1380 but other KZbinrs have done that too. I've used contrast over a Zenithal with highlights often enough since GW released them.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
I’ve litterly seen noone call this a new invention. What sets slap chop apart from what I personally has seen before is the application of the undercoat. The ones I’ve seen before uses zenithal sprays or painting the preshade with a normal brush, then often adding nuln oil and highlight. The slapchop I’ve seen has been a few seconds of drybrush grey, white and the a single layer of semi-transparent paint (Usually Contrast or Speedpaint).
@Lichtonatus
@Lichtonatus Жыл бұрын
“my buddy Rob the Honest Wargamer introduced the slapchop system to the world of miniature painting” Verbatim from the video you just watched.
@NobleReliance
@NobleReliance Жыл бұрын
I always love your videos, man. Excellent work!
@ZombieApocalypse09
@ZombieApocalypse09 Жыл бұрын
Very fun stuff! This is basically how I paint Pathfinder minis. Looks good enough for a model that may not see more than one or two sessions.
@Mcinnester
@Mcinnester Жыл бұрын
SLAPCHOP has to be the stupidest name for a painting style that's existed longer than anyone watching this video has been alive.
@VanDavis
@VanDavis Жыл бұрын
It's a greyscale Underpainting. It's definitely a great idea for contrast and speed paints... it's just not his "invention." lol
@frannyfranfrancis
@frannyfranfrancis Жыл бұрын
awesome video! I luv these more than the product reviews! You have vision and talent !
@david1274
@david1274 Жыл бұрын
Great paint job and very nice color choice.
@alexfrantz8389
@alexfrantz8389 Жыл бұрын
So…. It’s just using contrast paint the way it was intended. Sorry, but this isn’t anything new.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
I’ve personally never seen just a quick two drybrush application of grisaille under semi-transparent paint (Contrast/Speedpaint) before. Only seen more complex ways to do it, so I’m happy to have found it.
@bragoen
@bragoen Жыл бұрын
Beside it being a classical technique, there having been mini painting channels displaying it several time over the last 3 years, but wow somebody borrowed a funny name for it and revived a meme 13 years old so let's ALL make videos about it. yawn.
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
I’ve actually not seen it being applied with just two greyscale drybrushes before. I’ve seen alot of zenithal sprays, shades or carefully painting the grisaille with a normal brush. If it took a ”silly” name for me to learn this technique of applying the undercoat, I’m happy.
@bragoen
@bragoen Жыл бұрын
​@@vinterbjork4128 how you apply the grey is but a mere detail and doesn't warrant a video about it. THG making a video about it to inform tournament players who don't watch painting channels isn't the issue. It's the painting channel jumping the band wagon now that is.
@zero-il9on
@zero-il9on Жыл бұрын
Saw Rob´s video and going for slap chop from now on on those minis I´m too lazy to paint cause I don´t like them enough and seeing this video I´m definitely going to. Awesome, thanks Ninjon!
@bensdn3969
@bensdn3969 Жыл бұрын
Dude, another masterclass. You're damn right when you mean that's not because you fast paint that you don't have time to highlight. I mean for me the most PITA (pain where you know it) is to assemble the minis and base coating them. What I want to say is another great video. I will try this on my ork army and maybe on my scarab occult. But I will do this with metalic paint: Black primer, then lead belcher dry brush, then necron compond or stormhost silver and then white. Last Akhelian green contrast paint.
@jonathanmuller7776
@jonathanmuller7776 Жыл бұрын
as a beginner for this hobby with nearly to none experience in painting miniatures, this video is my personal holy grail of tips and tricks to get better at painting fast. thanks for the time invested in making this, very much appreciated
@DemonEtrigan
@DemonEtrigan Жыл бұрын
I just do the 2.0 step as a dry brush with praxi white and it achieves a similar effect in about a minute. Great video.
@eskandare1968
@eskandare1968 Жыл бұрын
The slap chop method has been around for a very long time. Slap Chop is how I painted my first BattleTech miniatures in 1994, but we used watered down paint and layered washes.
@sstankfish
@sstankfish Жыл бұрын
I still love your intro so much, please never change it.
@Gawl88
@Gawl88 Жыл бұрын
This is crazy! I've been out of the game since 2005 and just pulled my old BA army out to paint up. After adding some primaris units, I'm ready to paint and have been so stuck on what to do after watching countless videos. Think I am going to try this and see how it goes, amazing video as always!
@timothyyoung2962
@timothyyoung2962 Жыл бұрын
"Leagues of Voltron"... I will never unhear this, or call them anything other than this, for the rest of my days. I've been wanting to give this method a shot for a while now. I might have to pick of a few minis for a slap chop test drive.
@electr0priest
@electr0priest Жыл бұрын
Quality content as always And anything that improves brush control is a huge bonus in my codex
@MATSAS10
@MATSAS10 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video!!!! Can't wait to try it!!!
@amn1088
@amn1088 Жыл бұрын
Didn't realize this had a name but I've been doing this over the last month for my MCP minis over the last month. Its frankly awesome, they are simple unlike GW with excessive detail. Even being a slow painter taking tons of breaks I typically finish 1 model a night after putting the kids to bed. Sometimes more, In the last 2 weeks I have finished 12 models including building, priming and varnishing. Its frankly amazing the quality you get for the amount of work put it.
@forouza1
@forouza1 Жыл бұрын
Love this process. I use gray seer zenithal if I want cool mid tones and wraithbone zenithal if I want warm mid tones.
@BurgiM
@BurgiM Жыл бұрын
I very much appreciate your choice of painting handle! I really like the RGG stuff.
@a.p.2356
@a.p.2356 Жыл бұрын
I've also had great luck going over a contrast paint with a wash. Black base coat, white zenith highlighting, plaguebearer flesh, and then biel tan green makes a fantastic vibrant ork skin tone, for instance.
@U_N_C_L_E_Mike
@U_N_C_L_E_Mike Жыл бұрын
Love that the advertising was kept till the end of the video, very much appreciate it.
@Crushanator1
@Crushanator1 Жыл бұрын
I've done a good bit of this using Brown, Bone and a warm white as the tones and it works very well
@samsolopeeps
@samsolopeeps Жыл бұрын
I did a GSC army super quick with Grey drybrush, white highlight dry brush then Vallejo inks and a few spot neon paints.
@Jordan-cd7zj
@Jordan-cd7zj Жыл бұрын
Just got back into painting. This is probably one of your best videos to date.
@Nobbin01
@Nobbin01 Жыл бұрын
Jon, so glad you got a plug in Jerry's post over at PennyArcade! Well deserved and congrats!
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