Nintendo...Just Stop It

[@Seanbo88]

Yo Bill, if you haven't already, can we get a video on that sweet plug-in arcade setup? Super nice.

[@NerdNest]

Is there interest in this?

[@bryan8638]

Yeah that's cool as heck! ​@@NerdNest

[@GuyManley]

@@NerdNest Yeah been planning one but have not started. Let us copy your homework.

[@dorf7219]

@@NerdNestive always wanted an arcade set up of my own ever since wulf den showed his off

[@leonoliveira8652]

@@NerdNest Gaming home projects are always a plus. Do it.

[@Zero]

I was asking my lawyer friend about this and he was shocked! He told me that Nintendo made all these pattens not to charge people or fight with them in court but to protect themselves from the exact same issue you mentioned. So they could make games and not worry about other companies fighting them in court. They have never fought any of these in court until now. Its straight B.S I hope palworld wins.

[@thatfreeze]

Nintendo is somehow one of the best publishers right now, yet one of the worst companies community wise.

[@kaepowboom9116]

The sad truth

[@BReal23-qm8hs]

Haven't bought anything from them in years.

[@FlukasMcDoogle]

This is so true. So so so true.

[@enriquepinero707]

@@thatfreeze And that's exactly why they are. If they weren't, they would be doing what they other 2 are doing, pushing this industry towards all streaming and cloud based with zero ownership.

[@thatfreeze]

@@enriquepinero707 how does this even relate to the fact that they treat their fanbase like shit? They publish great games and at least have a platform that is actually unique to the market, and yet they treat fan works and all related to that like trash, suing people for everything. I mean it would be bad if they did end up going all digital with streaming and etc, but still

[@Captain_Chaz86]

Nintendo’s patent for the catch mechanic and the rock paper scissors of Pokemon was rejected by North American European Union. Only was successful in Japan. If the law suit was between two North American companies, Nintendo would be getting heavily fines for patent trolling.

[@UnregisteredUsername]

japan sounds like a great place to run a monopoly

[@AdmiralBison]

Copyright right and patent laws need reform. they're being exploited by corporations.

[@TrophyJourney]

@@AdmiralBison right? The law should by definition be... equal!

[@303Thatoneguy]

They’re the ones who set that up. Blame Disney

[@ssjtvivi]

I really don’t want to buy Nintendo products anymore. Any money they make clearly goes straight to their lawyers. If Nintendo put half as much money into their game development as they do their lawyers, we would be swimming in first party titles.

[@balmashev93]

"They have a patent on when you have an isometric view, and then a character is covered by a tree, for example, the character can still be seen as a shadow," Nintendo has a patent for SHADOW. Idk why Japanese government allows such crap

[@extra4542]

I’ve always thought it was neat how Nintendo handled that in their games, I never knew they freaking patented it wtf is that bs

[@L4NC3_L0T]

Because it helps THEIR big companies which means ¥¥¥ for their country. Nationalism turned into legal system...

[@Andulvar]

Back in the day game companies in Japan wouldn't go after other game companies for patents. Except for Nintendo because Nintendo is still run by people who think it's still 1950.

[@CD-vb9fi]

Japan has an incredibly corrupt government. They have always had an open and not secret "special access" to laws for "powerful merchants" which Nintendo definitely is!

[@whydoIneedAchannel2024]

Being insanely rich so you can rig the legal system (where everyone is supposed to be equal) will always destroy creativity & evolution of all kinds...

[@zek62482]

Nintendo is literally dead to me. Why would I give money to a company that hates me? Crap like this is why open source needs to be more of a thing.

[@morten8028]

I just emulate all their games out of spite.

[@nanashi5139]

@@morten8028same here. Currently playing totk on my steam deck oled

[@seeibe]

@@morten8028 Based

[@jnrosenb]

@@zek62482 because they make great games.

[@Yoshizuyuner]

@bison08-t6eactivtion blizzard is right there my guy

[@CFWhitman]

It's only trademarks that you must defend to keep your rights. You can let copyright slip for years and then still come back and sue. Of course, if you become aware of copyright infringement and wait a long time to sue that particular infringer, it will be questioned why, and damages will be limited (to stop people from purposely letting infringement go on to accumulate damages). However, if you let one or two or three parties infringe copyright to their hearts' content, you can still sue the next party to infringe, unlike with trademarks. Edit: By the way patents expire after twenty years, so a patent from before 2004 no longer applies (I'm ignoring evergreening here because it's difficult to imagine it being relevant to game play patents).

[@NerdNest]

Thanks, I misunderstood that!

[@MekeninzoUG]

You said "A Link to the Past" Nintendo is going to claim copyright now

[@Dr.D00p]

I just don't like the way they try and hide their ruthless, greed driven corporate nature behind that faux cutesy, Disney facade.

[@robertwendal5894]

You can't patent or copyright a broad idea, you can't patent a magic school for young wizards, you can't copyright it either. Throwing balls at monsters can't be patented because it doesn't actually exist in the real world. You can patent the code behind the mechanic but not the actual idea of something so broad it crosses the line and misuses patents.

[@shindre1]

Hmm Nintendo stole the Pokémon Idea from other Japanese manga and games that came before it like, Monster Rancher, Megami Tensei even Ghost Busters has the same concept. Nintendo is holding the gaming world back.

[@thomaslabrum8182]

so you think only nintendo makes good game mechanics? patents dont hinder progress, it encourages imagination and doing something different, i dont need another assassins creed clone, or a clone of another game with batman or some other dumb reskin. its the same feeling you get when fortnite contracts with other companies for their characters and kids call them "people from fortnite"

[@dissidius13]

@@ninja4955 Have some self-respect. Are you really defending a tyrant? Dude...

[@juroBeba]

The only way I touch anything Nintendo is jailbreak used devices or emulation. I ain't giving them my money

[@L4NC3_L0T]

Stopped buying games for Switch after getting a SteamDeck OLED... most likely won't do so again after what Nintendo keeps doing lately. SteamDeck is just so much more useful (especially with a Steam library with thousands of games ^^)

[@RedMageGaming]

Nintendo needs to lose this, for the sake of game development in the future and Patent law in the software market needs to drastically change. If Nintendo were to take their patents to task they would be able to sue over a good majority of games that exist, they hold so many patents on such a wide variety of basic game systems and functions that it would be nearly impossible to make a compelling game without stepping on a landmine. In Japan though public sentiment is that Nintendo is gracious enough to allow people to use these patents for free, and only comes down on those that disrespect them and their position. To me this is just patent trolling, because Palworld came in and took the Pokémon formula, and with their own changes made something that ended up surpassing the meme of 'Pokémon with guns' to be a genuinely enjoyable and fun game. Because palworld borrows the aesthetic style of Pokémon to such a degree, but there's no direct copyright infringement that they can nail down, they are gunning for what they feel is the sure thing. With Nintendo's 100% victory rate with this kind of thing their confidence on the matter is clearly high. I don't think they are looking to settle though; I think Nintendo is out for blood and wants palworld gone. They are aiming for an injunction to stop the sales of the game, and reparations for the use of the patents. Palworld I hope has the determination to fight, and get's lawyers who are capable of bringing their A game to the court, because this is not going to be an easy battle.

[@RedMageGaming]

@@ninja4955 It's misinformation to say Nintendo won the lawsuit, Colopl settled out of court and the lawsuit was withdrawn. Calling them unethica I think that's a little unfair, as a majority of their mechanics outside of the Pokémon like stuff are basically ported over from their other game. Sure the building system is basically the same as ark, and it's also pretty similar to Conan Exiles, Empyrion - galactic survival, fallout 4/76 if you don't use prefab structures and just use components is pretty danged similar there too. I don't think there's a lot you can do about that, when you want people to be able to build custom structures with as much freedom as possible. The other option would be to go the 7 days to die, or minecraft like rout of building with blocks, but then you would say they stole that? The saddle system isn't like Ark; yes you need the saddle or harness or rocket launcher of a pal to ride or sue their special ability, but you only just need to have it, in ark you need to equip it to that tame, and then if you have another, you need to either move it over, or make another saddle. In palworld the saddle is basically a key item, once you have it, you can ride all pals of that type. Throwing things at other things isn't unique to Pokémon. Arceus or otherwise. Dodge rolling isn't unique either, unless you want claim they are stealing this from someone specific? Dark souls maybe? Conan Exiles used this climbing before Breath of the wild was released, and climbing things is like many other things not unique to one franchise. Their designs are definitely intentional to evoke that Pokémon feel. And yea I hear there is a yokai watch like design in there too, but to be fair yokai watch was also borrowing heavily on the aesthetic of Pokémon, but chose to entirely focus on ghosts/demons rather than animals, in palworlds case I think someone was claiming its the samurai with a wicker hat looking pal, but the only thing I saw on that only had an image of that pal and it's variant, but I didn't see the original yokai they were claiming it was based on. I don't play that franchise so my knowledge there is fairly slim. As for sound effects and music, I haven't personally heard anyone talking about that, so I don't have any real input there, though I think some of them are the same in their other survival crafting game. In the end, I don't care that the designs are derivative, don't act like Pokémon is some paragon of uniqueness, with Pokémon such as 'A Literal Crab' and 'Goldfish' fan favorites like 'Large Rat, and larger rat' it's impossible to be entirely and completely unique in this world now. So as long as Palworld doesn't wholesale drop Pikachu into a mech suit on their next update their whole lineup of Pals can be as inspired as they want. I can get behind people not Liking palworld because it's just a Pokémon rip off or you don't like open world survival crafting games or whatever, But it's gotten more hours of play out of me than any Pokémon game has in the last decade, so it's done something right. And if the similarities were enough of a problem that would have been the lawsuit, but they aren't a strong case, so here we are with a patent suit. Because you are right patents are normally used defensively to protect your inventions. And that works out great for physical products, but when you start patenting basic game mechanics, and then weaponize it, that's garbage. Colopl was trying to weaponize patents and Nintendo didn't like that, but, here we are, where Nintendo is doing exactly that. Hell even Pocket Pair isn't claiming that this is an all original idea, they straight admitted they combined things together to try and make a game they felt would have mass global appeal. They weren't wrong, their initial sales proved that much, their getting into talks with sony to make a franchise out of it continues that point. But, they are still an indie team. They didn't suddenly become a big corporation overnight. They just now have started building ties. But I stand by my opinion, that nintendo needs to lose this one. to set a precedent that you blanket patenting game mechanics should never be a thing.

[@RedMageGaming]

@@ninja4955 At the end of the day, your right, I like palworld, and I do not care that the majority of the game is blatantly a kitbash of the kind of systems in other games. Because it works. Would it be nice if they took the time to personalize it a bit more? Sure would, because there would be less people ragging on them for being copycats. As for the tracing comment, grow up, everyone copies someone at this point. And no Pokeballs are not original thought, they're just the first videogame implementation of it. They're based on Gachapon Capsules, and what originally came in Gachapon? Little monster/animal figures. The whole concept of pokemon is based off of bug catching and collecting. And while gachapon capsule are more or less just storage, yes nintendo made the pokeball both the storage and the trap. And of course nintendo found them infringing on multiple patents, do you not realize how many patents nintendo holds? It's something like 8000, with just shy of 7000 being active. They have enough patents, that they could take to task a majority of the gaming industry. They have patents regarding joysticks, haptic feedback in controllers, on screen controlls, cartridges, portable rechargeable battery packs, the list goes on. We should all be grateful nintendo isnt running around looking for excuses to sue everyone. But Nintendo isn't entirely innocent either, because they have wholesale copied other companies work in the past, with their knock off legos, with it's defining feature being their rounded corners, wholesale copies of arcade games like space invaders and pong. They got their start in the market by just doing what others did, until they ended up with a hit of their own with donkey kong. Yea that's all some 60 years ago now, and the landscape was different and technology was different, but copying is copying. We're not going to land on common ground about this whole matter. As long as one company isnt literally stealing code and assets wholesale, I don't rightfully care if they copy each others ideas, because in the end the market is going to decide who did it better. And sometimes it's not even going to come to that, in this case, pokemon fans are going to keep playing pokemon, and the people coming to palworld are people who wanted pokemon to mix it up a bit and were disappointed it never did, and people who are just here for the memes and shitposting.

[@RichardJacksonMinute]

I love the Nemesis system so much and WB is just sitting on it

[@alegotronnortogela7695]

Which is stupid because Mordor is fundamentally a clone of Assassin's Creed.

[@maximedissaux9030]

I think they’re going to use it in the Wonder Woman game

[@juiceman-u6d]

I’m split when it comes to Nintendo. When compared to Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo has better quality games and buck the industry trends that have become common place. Yet they are one of the worst when it comes to being anti-consumer and have zero transparency. They have already handled the transition to Switch 2 poorly and we didn’t even know what games came out after June until we got to the month.

[@emiliosanchez4610]

I've mentioned it before but Nintendo is pretty much dead to me for multiple reasons and all these new things just add to an already long list of negatives. Pokémon has become so boring for so long that any other monster collector type game is de-facto always better, imagine they tried pulling this on Persona/SMT for also being monster collecting.

[@aquapolaris719]

What if someone had nothing to lose, take them to court and see how the press handles it.

[@caspearious-ghost]

Most people do have something to lose... and good lawyers still cost money. Too bad there isn't some super-rich billionaire like Elon that would go after some of these companies to take them to court. It would be awesome if Nintendo threatened to take a regular person to court and an Elon Musk type interjected on behalf of the regular person and said, "I got you covered and supported. Take it all the way"

[@AdmiralBison]

@@caspearious-ghost why do you think billionaires like Elon Musk give a crap about consumers/working class or is on the side of the common person? Billionaires own corporations like Nintendo as their 1% shareholders.

[@lyudvig_]

I think if one of those companies put a kickstarter campaign to fight Nintendo people will donate millions to it. Everyone is sick of Nintendo copyright nonsense

[@blueish1183]

I wished people was brave enough to boycott Nintendo and stop buying their products...

[@archaichobo6969]

I and a lot of people I know will never buy another nintendo product again because of their petty bs.

[@The8bitbeard]

I had been a Nintendo kid since the 80s, but now I've sold my Switch and that will be the last Nintendo console I own. I thought to myself, I've bought the original Legend of Zelda 5 different times for 5 different Nintendo systems in the last 30 years or so, and today Nintendo still wants me to pay a recurring subscription just to rent access to it. Meanwhile 20 years on Steam and I can install and play any game I've bought in the last 2 decades, and I expect in another 2 decades I'll still be able to.

[@asrr62]

That won't work cause Nintendo is for moms to buy for their babies.

[@JimBimBum]

actually nintendo made new patents on already existing mechanics after palworld's release.

[@SrslyTony]

And to think Nintendo is suing palworld without them borrowing sprites and assets, and up until that case appeared, I would have assumed this fangame with different music and spritework would be COMPLETELY SAFE

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

@@SrslyTony now not even baseball is completely safe since throwing balls is apparently patent infringement.

[@bdstratton1979]

@@user-pq4by2rq9y i hope the courtcase fails

[@jokingtiger]

I would say that Ghostbusters preceded Pokemon on the throwing object at monster to capture them. Plus, there is a rich history of trapping monsters in all kinds of items. All it would take is for a company large enough to slap Nintendo and then this would all end. Hopefully someone with enough pull will get copywrite and patent laws to a common sense place.

[@sunnydelight52978]

Nintendo filed the patent after palworld came out and people were talking about it. They filed it in May and then was given the go ahead at the end of August that the patent was ready. I personally think that this isn't right, that they can't come after palworld because of that, but if anything else comes out from any other company, then Nintendo has the right.

[@GrimLocke161]

The only company that might be more litigious than Nintendo is The Haus of Maus, so folks should know by now that playing with their IP is dangerous. Also, FWIW, WarFrame does have something similar to the Nemesis, tho it's not quite as robust as the ME:SoM game.

[@Thornskade]

If they had gone after Pocketpair for the design similarities that would not be justifiable at all, considering how many Pokémon designs closely resemble Dragon Quest designs which is a much older game

[@MN0VV4]

That’s the sad thing Nintendo will never stop even if they lose.

[@Andulvar]

They've found it's harder to go after people in the West so they'll start using Japan's court system more often now, even if it's slow as all hell.

[@GreenLeefMusic]

Legal Mindset did a great breakdown of the angle they are trying to take with the "patent infringement" allegations and yeah they are able to tie back those patents filed after Palworld was released to the date of the original patent that predates Palworld, so they can use all patents that tied back to the original patent as grounds to sue them for infringing multiple patents (4 total iirc). So Palworld will be fighting a bit of an uphill battle. It is pretty messed up if you ask me.

[@james.b.mcgill]

I'm also not a lawyer but it is trademark that companies are compelled to defend, not copyright.

[@jamesbrenton5390]

Personally, I find palworld more along the lines of ark, swap the pals for dinosaurs and they are very similar games. It'.s crazy to me that Nintendo can go after a survival genre game because of the ball catch mechanic.

[@skepticalmechanic]

Nintendo is dead to me… bye bye Tendoisum!

[@mdotpreis]

Doing exactly what was done in the video to install and add to steam but when I try to launch the game I get an error saying "An error occurred while launching this game: Missing downloaded files"

[@mrrosa913]

Just stop buying their shit and they will learn

[@LedleysLeftKnee1882]

😂😂 That’s never ever happening to them

[@thetechnosaiyan]

​@@LedleysLeftKnee1882 Wiiu wiiu wiiu

[@GreenSkinGentleman]

People who buy nintendo games are mostly detached from any gaming discourse so I don't think they even realize the company is being a dick.

[@gonekrazy3000]

@nerdnest you failed to mention that the ball throwing patent was made after Palworld was revealed to the public. its extremely scummy on Nintendos part. On top of that. Shin Megami tensei had monster collecting before Palworld existed. And pokemon Gen 1 designs ? theyre ripoffs of Dragonquest monsters. so its okay for nintendo to steal.

[@NerdNest]

Oh man, I didn't even know about that part! What?

[@Captain_Chaz86]

A parent that was rejected many times in North America and the EU.

[@odyss160]

The ball throw and capture is a child patent from a parent patent. The parent patent was accepted before palworld from what I understand and the child patent "ball catch mechanic" was accepted after. Nintendo is able to use the the child patent on palworld because of the parent patent.

[@MaximusLigmus]

@@ninja4955It absolutely shouldn’t hold up still since they are patenting a very simple concept of “trap animal.” You even have to beat it up to increase your chances of capturing it. You are patenting a human instinct. But both of them are based in Japan iirc so I think I know who’s gonna win.

[@MobileDecay]

The only solution is piracy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@CD-vb9fi]

not just a solution but now a moral imperative.

[@ni55an86]

I love all the disconnect happening right now. NINTENDO is NINTENDO. The games are not disconnected from the company. If you love your Mario and camnot stop thats fine. Just don't cope and recognize that you are paying a trash company.

[@HaohmaruHL]

The biggest disconnect here is about muricans not realizing that other countries exist out there and that they may have different laws, like in this case with Japan's copyright laws. People hating on Nintendo for copyright issues just proves they don't see the whole picture and that Nintendo as a company is just only abiding the law of its own country (sick, right?). And that the majority of all other Japanese companies will also come after you for this same reason. It's exactly why the Japanese parts of the internet are so sterile and all that "content creation" fluff like reaction videos or game/movie reviews which dominate the western part of KZbin don't even exist. You can't do those type of things in Japan due to legal reasons. Also why Toei got infamous for striking all those reaction channels - they are just doing what they believe violates their law. It's all across the country and they literally see such actions as theft. But no, western cry babies don't realize this and choose to cry on social media, because bad corpo guy doesn't let them use their IP for free. Want to fight this? Go fight the Japanese government who is responsible for the law, not Nintendo, lol. All these keyboard warriors should get out of their basements and touch grass from time to time to get back some connection with reality.

[@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852]

That's really any game company at the moment. But yeah just say its Nintendo when you buy yourself a $700 ps5 pro and a censored copy of an anime game.

[@illegalalien6542]

Funny thing is everyone is pissed at big, bad Nintendo for essentially abusing the court system via copyright/patents when it was another "beloved" company/character that paved the way for this: Disney and the magical rat Mickey. Nintendo isn't the problem, they're merely a symptom of a much bigger problem.

[@andrewmorris483]

There's non-political reasons I don't like Disney as well.

[@AndrewTSq]

Can add that in the 80ies, Nintendo tried to make used games illegal to sale 😂

[@barrymchawkenhugh2696]

Sounds like a cool game, but if he made it from scratch in GM, why not change the sprites/artwork and sell it?

[@Geperd1]

Nexomon is basically a Pokemon ripoff but Nintendo doesnt sue them. I think the only reason Palworld is getting sued because the game is not on the Switch. Nintendo acts like a mob boss than a "family friendly" company.

[@The8bitbeard]

They have Yakuza ties, so it's not surprising.

[@andrewmorris483]

@@The8bitbeard Don't they also have ties to forced "Comfort Women" from Imperial Japan days? I know they used to help run brothels, can't remember the context.

[@dy3531]

I stopped playing nintendo close to 10-15 years ago when i realised the steam store is everything I've ever wanted with constant sales and not having to rebuy my games every console release. Now with pc handhelds i don't see why anyone would buy a Nintendo

[@Evercade_Effect]

It's just Nintendo being Nintendo. 😢 To each their own. I speak with my wallet and choose Steam Deck to do PC gaming instead of buying a Switch.

[@CD-vb9fi]

Yep, I regret having purchased 3 switches from 6 years ago now. And I have sworn off consoles, but the switch at the time was the most "viable" portable gaming for my children. Not now... as there are many viable platforms but when the switch 2 comes out... I will not be buying it. I will not buy another "console" walled garden ever again.

[@DannyS.-qv4sr]

Patent and copyright ? Really ? From a company in Japan or China ? Both China and Japan historically known for stealing US patents and copyrights ? 😂😂😂 what a joke !

[@NerdNest]

I mean I know companies in china do that a lot. But Japan? This is news to me.

[@kylespevak6781]

4:43 The difference is fan-art is still fully original work. You could argue that assets differenciate each game (especially now that there is so few varation on gameplay)

[@malayaniadam]

lets be honest nintendo is the biggest game company in the world and changed everything we understand from gaming several times. steam deck is my favorite gaming device but it wont be any steam deck if nintendo did not invent a hybrite console. they created mario bros. and all game producers started to produce mario like platformers in the past. they created g&w and game boy every company started to make their own handheld. no one did not gone further than copying nintendo since nes. hovewer what they do now is ridiculous. i think everyone has the right to create videos about his own games. if you own a mario game you should have to right to make videos about it. because you paid its money its your property now. you have all rights to play your own games on pc or steam deck. as conclusion game industry should stop copying nintendo and being more creative in future and n'ntendo should stop sueing every one who uses its stuff. sorry about my language. wish the best

[@ThisisCitrus]

Here's the weird thing about "fanart" in your example. It actually is illegal, but it's up to the specific IP to enforce it, and most companies don't worry about fanart unless it is being monetized. But yes, even just drawing your favorite character like Mickey Mouse or Mario is actually, illegal.

[@Deadmeme64]

I don't really buy nintendo games anymore. Partly because I've found most nintendo games minus totk to be pretty boring and shallow in the past few years but also just how litigious and anti consumer they are. And this is coming from someone who was a diehard nintendo fan during the wii u era.Even back then it was easier to overlook the legal garbage because the games were better but that isn't the case anymore imo.

[@danimourinho]

Thats the reason i stopped buying anything nintendo related.

[@gdot1803]

Hopefully we start to see more developers, at least on the Indie side, show their support and not bring their games to Switch 2.

[@NerdNest]

I still want indie devs to bring their games to the Switch.

[@emptylyles]

@@NerdNest I do too but, we need to be able to sacrifice something in order for things to change.

[@chrisrobinson3494]

Coming from someone who hasn't liked nintendo since the original Donkey Kong,(which is the ONLY game from that company i like) im not surprised by that scummy companies actions, i wish they'd go out of business.

[@allensword1855]

Nintendo lost my support with this lawsuit, this was the nail in the coffin of my fanship. Nintendo has been on the underdog side of things many times before, and now that it's at the top, it's forgotten how it got there. We went from Pokemon games that were well thought out and polished, to Pokemon games with lots of glitches and "throw open world into it because that's popular right now".

[@gilmarmaia89]

I think Nintendo should stick to what they do best and become a Lawyer firm already.

[@grandmoffporkins]

Shocked at how polished and fun to play the **Insert Name Here** game is. And therefore also saddened that Big N has to be so oppositional to what are unquestionably their biggest fans. Who else spends 4 years of their free time building this!? Give that guy a job!

[@jqwright28]

Nintendo is fortunate their ideas and work is so loved that people actually want to make games inspired by their games or do fan projects that fill a void that Nintendo would never do themselves, and look how they act. It definitely kills my hype for their products, that and the fact they are chasing patents on gameplay mechanics. That's dirty.

[@MasterPJ86]

Nintendo lives in its little happy bubble. They don't look at other games, or listen to people on the internet. This egocentric old fashion behavior will be their ruin sooner or later. Even big old fans have a breaking point before the mass boycott begins.

[@benpregent]

I heard you mention it on the podcast yesterday, made sure to download ASAP!

[@logos4294]

It's funny. Nintendo stifles competition in a ruthless manner. Uses extortion, and to stalking people. This sounds very familiar. It sounds like what a mob would do. What a coincidence, Yakuza and Nintendo have a connection. I am sure this is a giant coincidence. ;)

[@wallace8637]

We have steam deck.

[@glenfoxh]

This The Legend of Zelda: Dungeons of Infinity game, gives me some big, The Binding of Isaac, game vibes. Unlike my complaint of the dev of The Legend of Zelda: Dungeons of Infinity taking the assets to any Zelda game, for his own game, as wrong to do, to copy the likeness of how another game plays to me is fine, so long as it's not a 100% copy. So, to see another game that reminds me of The Binding of Isaac game, is rather neat to see. It be just one of may other random generated map dungeon crawlers out there already. The trick with making any of them, is to make one that works, and works well. So many things can go wrong with making any random map dungeon crawler. And to make a good one, that works, is impressive.

[@DrDoomFate]

Just downloaded the 1.1.2 version. I'll check it out after finishing Echoes of Wisdom on my Steam Deck.

[@IAmNotARobot-OrAmI]

Unfortunately it's not a legal gray area. Its not selling that's illegal, it's distribution; of which selling is only one form.

[@SMASHINGblargharghar]

I already decided two years ago that I'll never give Nintendo another penny and this is coming from a former die-hard fan who has owned every Nintendo console since the 80's and always bought games even when i could have just downloaded for free. Not anymore. Pirate everything from Nintendo

[@Polyvinci]

Want to know how to stick it to them? This is my opinion, and nothing legal or advice, but you can out-Zelda, Zelda, turning what would otherwise be a fan game into actual competition, with full clearance to sell it. Be inspired by something, improve upon it, and then, instead of using their sprites, music, and other copyrighted assets, create and add your own. Make the game your own. Don't give them any leverage or angle to come after you. Be slippery. You give them leverage and a way to hit you if you make a fan game. Zelda is a great game, but it has flaws. You can improve upon it and compete with it. That is a lot more of a nightmare for the big N, and they can't go after it. There is so much more that you can do with it. A lot more. I don't understand why fans pour resources into a fan game when they can actually create their own I.P. for just a little bit more. Surely, they are more creative than that.

[@UnregisteredUsername]

copyrighting gameplay concepts is directly detrimental to the gaming world as a whole game have been copying eachothers ideas for YEARS and NOBODY has cared.

[@ufailowell]

well this video is gonna get pulled

[@NerdNest]

I hope not

[@ObeyCairo]

I wish more people understood this a lot of the people who are saying go Nintendo are Pokémon only players and it’s sad that they can only see hey Nintendo is probably going to win and they don’t see the negative consequences that could have on a lot of future games but a lot of current games as well might have to be taken down if they have to pay licensing fees for a basic game mechanic

[@mattstork2203]

Nintendo need to use their money for good and stop trying to stomp out any and everything out of spite.

[@Unlucky_Vampire]

where do we download it?

[@NerdNest]

That’s a good question.

[@berndtstephen]

Is that arcade cabinet custom or can you buy it somewhere? 1:09

[@NerdNest]

It's actually an actual Asteroids Deluxe arcade cabinet from 1980

[@Thrakus]

When people make fan content, it keeps the IP alive, if they fully had their way they would lose a lot of money and IPs over the year. The cost it saves them in advertising and name reaction is in the millions. But it's ran by a group of people in their 70s who still think it's 1974.

[@ZaberfangX]

I think Nintendo wants palworld gone for good.

[@CD-vb9fi]

It won't happen. If Palword (Pocketpair) was not a Japanese company this would not be happening.

[@TheThirdH]

I don’t see how Nintendo is wrong in these cases because Nintendo is doing what they’re supposed to do as a business… for all the reasons that you mentioned. The reality is that the games would have the publicity or traction if they were not Nintendo adjacent… and the devs of those games know this. They intentionally made the games Nintendo adjacent in order to sell a similar game on another platform at the end of the day.

[@sunsinger970]

i might buy Palworld just to give pocketpair more money to fight Nintendo. Nintendo is just a big bully and im not buying switch2 now. SteamOLED instead.

[@edricgonzalez2235]

It seems to me that 99% of the problems with Nintendo can be solved by not using the same sprites that Nintendo uses and by not using the same game mechanics that Nintendo uses for its games. Imitation is probably the best form of flattery. That would be my motto if I was a game developer.

[@elijahbowers1]

Yeah eff Nintendo

[@NetflixForeign]

I still think Nintendo are idiots for not just producing a physical print of Zelda BS-X. Instead they act dumb and never talk about it. It is a 16 bit original Zelda remake, that is a GIMME and Nintendo just acts stupid about it. I would consider legit buying it for $50, especially if it includes both and I am someone who considers the other re-releases overpriced.

[@barrymchawkenhugh2696]

Eternal Darkness on GC, there's a sanity meter in the game. The lower the sanity meter gets the more your character starts going insane, weird effects and hallucinations start happening, some 4th wall breaking. Nintendo owns the patent on that and they'll *never* use it again. Imagine a modern horror game or RE with that mechanic. I think Amnesia? got around it somehow, though.

[@NerdNest]

Darkest dungeon has that

[@barrymchawkenhugh2696]

@@NerdNest Oh yeah you're right. I guess it's ok to use (as long as you're on Nintendo's good side lol).

[@DrakonR]

Nintendo has given me motivation to sail the seas.

[@SpeechGamer]

Out of all of the romhacks and stuff I’ve played, I didn’t know about this fan project! Thanks for discussing it!

[@doublex85]

6:21 I don't think this is actually true. I think you're talking about trademark dilution, which isn't a thing with copyright. You have a legal right but not a legal obligation to pursue copyright infringement.

[@Bryanluna1994]

I’m hoping AI can get the little guy in the future

[@bekachu3395]

We require Martyr to enable a broader audience to gain awareness. 📣 Dont get me wrong, i love nintendo but what they do is too far 😤

[@mfigeroux]

That sounds familiar Diablo 1 and 2 have regenerative dungeons too, I hate Nintendo people need to stop making this corrupt company rich!!

[@Username_CC_]

I wont even pirate them anymore. I just wont enjoy their games until the day i die.

[@FelipeEscobar86]

I wont bother with pal world until nopetendo stays away.

[@ZeroB4NG]

You really gonna make me search for the Link myself? ...fine! ...uuugh why is it always Discord? I'm 40, i don't do that sh*t! ...fine! got it. kthxbye

[@NerdNest]

That's a good question.

[@squiddymute]

they won’t stop it until you stop buying their crap

[@afaramilio1018]

I am a fan of nintendo but dude they lost of points with me with this sue.I hope pocket wins because if nintedo wins innovation in games will decrease a lot...at least in monster-taming games like.

[@pqsk]

And they wonder why people download illegal ROMs

[@Cal_03]

How well does palworld run on deck? I heard there was a memory leak issue or something with the game

[@andrewmorris483]

Runs fine for me.

[@Cal_03]

@@andrewmorris483 did you have to set all the graphics stuff to lowest?

[@andrewmorris483]

@@Cal_03 I don't think so

[@neandertalac]

Just stop buying Nintendo stuff. And they will vanish.

[@ScornedSloth]

I mean, if the developer copied the assets directly and didn't apply a transformative change to those assets, and the developer is now distributing those assets, that is certainly copyright infringement. Now, does that mean that Nintendo should necessarily be going after this so heavily? I don't think so, but that does not mean that Nintendo isn't legally in the right.

[@BryanMinnix]

IP law is broken.

[@Pegaroo_]

Because they used a box not a ball, totally different😂😂

[@s7r49]

So disappointed in nintendo for doing this. if they go after someone pirating their games i get it. but they should encourage these fan games they improve the community. i will not be buying the next console and I've had every console since nintendo 8bit

[@tabbarsg]

Great content man