Nintendo's Only 80% of the Way There | The Week in Nintendo

[@Neoxon619]

I feel like hardcore communities like ours overestimate how big the Steam Deck actually is, especially considering that it isn’t even sold at retail. The handheld PCs are a non-factor to Nintendo.

[@lol-ih1tl]

Steam Deck sold less than half the amount of units Wii U did, which means that even if Switch 2 bombs, it would still outsell the Steam Deck.

[@Neoxon619]

@@lol-ih1tl Exactly, it may as well not exist to 90% of people.

[@MousaThe14]

Agreed. It’s a successful niche device but it’s still a niche device for enthusiasts. No one ever seems to think about that gigantic amount of mainstream average people going to the store to get a thing. The only audience PC handhelds is going for is mostly people who are also the kind of person that would get a gaming PC or laptop. You would have to make that entire PC game market easier to get into for it to even match the Switch and we’re in an era where the PC gaming market is as accessible as ever with multiple storefronts and Steam itself existing. But the long and short of it is that the average person doesn’t want to mess about with their computer, they want something that just works when you turn it on and put the game in. Heck, I built my own PC and like messing with computers but I chose the Steam Deck over other PC handhelds because much like the Switch, it just works like a simple console experience. I don’t need power that’s hampered by a windows OS, I just need something I can play the half of my Steam library I prefer to play on the go or in bed. Simpler is always going to sell better and right now the PC handheld market hasn’t reached Switch level simple.

[@YerNewUncle]

@@MousaThe14Very well said.

[@lol-ih1tl]

@MousaThe14 the only way Steam Deck can possibly gain mainstream success would be if it has killer exclusive games that would make people buy a steam deck just for these games.

[@robertwilliamson2856]

Glad to have the WIN back! I love hearing from both Steve and Brandon.

[@flumphflumph6021]

8:00 PLEASE NOTE - If you are bothered or even distracted by the lack of a picture (detailing music information) coming from your Car's dashboard screen whilst you are driving. You have an Attention Problem. Focus on the Road.

[@JCSA79V]

That was a pretty long week

[@sparkypack]

You can say that again.

[@Pedro19993]

Nintendo music works on my Carplay, it doenst have a native app but it shows the name of the song and the cover image on the screen

[@theakiwar9118]

Same. It just works somehow

[@Miner_Bob]

@@theakiwar9118 That's how all apps work if they aren't made for carplay. KZbin does the same thing for me. Just click the "Now playing" app and it shows whatever is playing.

[@matheusgenaro]

"We just got a Furukawa backwards compatibility tweet with nothing else". Sure, we ignore the 60 slides presentation of the financial briefing, where they detail all structural changes Nintendo made and highlighted the backwards compatibility. Sorry, but "random" is the last thing Nintendo is acting regarding Switch 2. All information they gave us was clear and direct and always came together with the financial results.

[@upsidedownjim]

Based on context of convo - Nothing else related to Switch 2 was announced. Odd to announce a feature before revealing the system.

[@KidAL0]

@@upsidedownjim I wasn’t the first to think of this (I’m sure someone here on GVG even mentioned it) but what came to mind immediately after seeing the confirmation of backwards compatibility was the fact that the holiday season was around the corner. I’m guessing Nintendo didn’t want people holding off on spending thinking the next generation would make their purchases obsolete by next year’s end. But I won’t pretend to be an expert on industry strategy like that. Maybe they saw it as the smallest possible official announcement to shift discussion away from some of the leaks without really hurting current sales

[@goteckwah]

Just watch Kit and Krysta’s analysis on how Nintendo plan their hardware launches. Key msg is Nintendo is always mindful of the world’s situation (e.g. politics, wars, economic situation, social issues) when planning the best time to release their hardware. Minimizing distraction is key. Also, confirming Switch 2’s backward compatibility is to preserve holiday sales figures that whatever Switch games they are buying now can still be played on the new hardware.

[@upsidedownjim]

​@@goteckwah I'd defer to Kit & Krysta given they worked at Nintendo but iirc they were ruling out a Switch 2 reveal towards the end of October because of the presidential election but that didnt stop Nintendo in 2016 when they revealed Switch 1 around the same time when Clinton/Trump election was in full swing. I'm sure there are other factors but the election didn't stop them before so I found it odd they cited the election as a reason now. There's always going to be news happening that is more important than a video game system reveal. If they try to plan around that then it'll never get revealed (...hmmm). I agree about BC being confirmed to help with holiday sales but it is a bit weird to announce features without having shown the system as I think was the point brought up in the video. Anyhoo, appreciate the discussion. Cheers!

[@deonhuynh6394]

The WIN is back Let’s go!!!

[@Luffy2008]

I always want more long format videos/podcasts from you guys! Unfortanaly the weekly podcast hasn't been hitting that much for me, I guess the live part affects a bit of the pace of the conversation to apoint that I dont enjoy that much. So thanks a lot for bringing this one back!

[@tomsimmons7673]

I didn't see a Switch in stores until September 2017.

[@EPS5000]

If you have a Mac and an iPhone, you can listen to Nintendo Music on your computer. The Mac can mirror your iPhone, so you can listen to Nintendo Music from your Mac speakers and control the songs from the Mac too.

[@evermillcreek]

That's cool, but surely most PC gamers have sorted out a way to bluetooth music to their speaker system. Mobile app makes the most sense for most people.

[@dometalican1990]

​@@evermillcreekthere's always Bluestacks for PC to emulate Android and get the music app there

[@EPS5000]

@@evermillcreek That’s true, but I was responding to the complaint in the video that there is no desktop app. Though personally I just use my Echo Dot as a Bluetooth speaker and stream music to it from my phone when at home.

[@evermillcreek]

@@EPS5000 yeah that's what I meant, even for those who use their PC for music, surely you can just Bluetooth to it from your phone. Everyone uses phones so it's not a big ask. I would have thought that with PC gamers generally being serious about tech, that would include sound accessibility options too

[@YusufC51]

@@evermillcreek that doesn't help for people using headphones unless your headphones can simultaneously play audio from a bluetooth device and a device the 2.4gHz dongle is connected to. There's no harm in having a desktop app or website alongside the mobile app like what every other music streaming service has.

[@TheVideoGamHer]

In terms of Nintendo Music requiring an NSO subscription, I think the exclusivity is the point. Nintendo is very controlling and if they provide any type of service, they want you to have to be in their ecosystem to experience it.

[@PrestoJacobson]

The World Ends with You OST on Apple Music is really awesome for sure, which leads me to agree you. Nintendo just wants me to listen to Nintendo music (separately). I am enjoying lots of it until my subscription runs out. 😜

[@hollowayraulie1422]

Im not doing much regular listening on the app but I love either revisiting a soundtrack I enjoyed or listening to something new every week based on the new drop

[@wrldonwill]

"The WIN"? This is dope!

[@RhythmGrizz]

I personally love Nintendo Music app and think it shows a lot of positive steps in Nintendo's content offerings and added value to their ecosystem. It gives me good gaming vibes 😲 what a concept

[@supahsonic96]

So here’s a thought: I’m sure it’s got to be a small number overall, but there’s GOT to be at least a handful of people who bought a Switch back in 2017 because of the teaser for Metroid Prime 4 that will be enticed to buy a switch 2 because Prime 4 will be a better experience on that.

[@lol-ih1tl]

"because Prime 4 will be a better experience on that" Prime 4 hasn't been confirmed to release on Switch 2 yet. And even if we got a Switch 2 version, it would still be the same game just at a higher resolution with slightly more dense vegetation and the average joe wouldn't notice the difference anyway.

[@amadeus.7436]

​@@lol-ih1tl Considering there's backwards compatibility I highly doubt Nintendo will make separate versions

[@lol-ih1tl]

@@amadeus.7436 it would still be the same game on Switch 2 so I wouldn't call it a "better" experience

[@amadeus.7436]

@@lol-ih1tl Yeah I agree. I think they'll just make a Switch 1 version and then they'll be played exactly the same on Switch 2 because Nintendo is Nintendo.

[@evermillcreek]

NSO is so cheap, it works out easily cost-effective just for the music app alone even if few will subscribe just for that reason.

[@amadeus.7436]

Currently it's not worth subscribing for just the music but like two years down the line, when they have 100+ soundtracks there, it might be worth it.

[@evermillcreek]

@amadeus.7436 when you break down the monthly cost with a yearly subscription it's peanuts

[@Karmantix]

Catching up on these. Always good to see Daniel in videos!

[@dcashley303]

Nintendo should just allow their soundtracks to be physically yeleased more often. I like the app, but I'd listen to some of this way more of it was physical and it could live with the rest of my music.

[@jefurihartono1630]

they did it in japan. People can just import it. But people sadly dont want to pay for it.

[@MAWKY_MAWK]

Oh boy the WIN is back! Also welcome Daniel to the 80% podcast!

[@Pupido_McMuffin]

When the Switch originally came out it took me about 7 months to be able to order one, and even then I had to bite the bullet and pay $100 dollars over retail. It was rough, especially because I had already bought a copy of breath of the wild and a carrying case that just sat there for months

[@Xboxfanuk]

NSO IS £2-3 a month anyway

[@mrmichaelencke]

It would be so cool if the switch 2 has "achievements" but the rewards are new sons in the music app. You just beat world 1 - you get access to Mario's new ground theme!

[@DarKnightKilla13]

@19:50, Steve I totally get your point. I feel like at this rate I'm waiting, keyword being waiting, for something bigger to come along. I also think Nintendo (to your credit here) has taken note and knows that the hardware is often far behind. I would not be surprised if within the next console (be it some sort of Switch 2/w.e it will be), and the following Gen that Nintendo starts to take reigns again in more than keeping up with hardware specs. Nintendo knows how to take notes -- now if they can readjust again to not be processors, RAM, graphics behind and such. It's funny, growing up I was the biggest graphics guy. Now, I just want to see the best done properly.

[@OzHuski]

I fully expect Switch 2 to use a modified OS of the current Switch. Any game that currently has variable resolution and has an unlocked frame rate will see instant performance and resolution gains without requiring a patch (it makes the most sense even for Nintendo, so less work needed instantly). If its locked FPS, no change. Then obviously, the bigger patches that add higher res, new textures, frame rates etc.

[@rekcroom]

You know I think that we will see the Switch 2 late January to early February. I think part of the reason we haven’t seen Legends ZA yet is because it will be on Switch 2. Now they have to wait for that before they reveal ZA proper. If they reveal the successor late January to Early February, Pokemon Legends ZA will be primed to get a proper reveal on Pokemon Day, one year after it was first announced.

[@lol-ih1tl]

According to the Game Freak Teraleak, Pokemon Legends Z-A will be a Switch 1 exclusive.

[@rekcroom]

@ I was trying not to look into those leaks, but that’s good to know.

[@lol-ih1tl]

@rekcroom Pokemon getting new games on last-gen consoles is nothing new. Black 2/White 2 released on DS over a year after the 3DS launched while Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon launched 8 months after Switch launched.

[@micahrobbins9635]

Just noticed the Tales of the Abyss poster in the back, nice!

[@TheOriginalKnottian]

The reason they’re on sale is because their sell through numbers have dropped significantly (all three manufacturers have, and ironically the lowest drop in percentage/quantity was Xbox despite all the FUD) and everyone needs to boost their quarterly results going into the holiday quarter. The reason we haven’t seen many sales on any of the big three is because the cost of chips have not scaled linearly to the drop in size; aka chips aren’t getting cheaper any more just because you can make more on a single wafer. Som

[@TheOriginalKnottian]

I also doubt they go back to the three-pillar strategy… this is a different Nintendo org chart than the one that ran with that short-lived philosophy.

[@Coplanersirtax9]

The steam deck and those other handheld pcs aren't really in the competition with nintendo at all. The switch sold 146 million so far and the steam deck has sold around 4 million. When a parent goes out to buy a console they aren't looking for a steamdeck they are looking for nintendo, sony or xbox. The handheld pcs have a niche but they will never really be bigger than that unless they have exclusive games and were a lot cheaper

[@mugiwara2018]

13:04 That sounds like a terrible idea, yeah let’s have an option so that you need to buy the game to listen to the music. What if you don’t like the game, but like the music? Why buy a game you won’t play/won’t enjoy playing just for the music? The simple solution is Nintendo not drip feeding us anymore plain and simple. Why do a lot of Nintendo fans want their wallets drained?

[@RoboticEdward]

I'm worried about the Switch 2 price simply because of Recent Events™️ potentially making it more expensive than it should be. Like... don't expect it to be $400 USD

[@rhettmitchell]

Oh no… I didn’t think about that. Maybe it’ll be released before that happens?

[@RhythmGrizz]

We'll see. I think no matter what Nintendo won't want to go beyond $400.

[@sparkypack]

You could plant home vegetables to save money yknow.

[@amadeus.7436]

​@@RhythmGrizz Really? I'm expecting it to be like 500$

[@cullbear55]

I'd be willing to pay $500

[@johnhoftb]

First full week of January for the reveal.

[@amadeus.7436]

Highly doubt old Switch games would run any better on the Switch 2. Most likely it'll work like it has before, the system is put into a sort of "Switch 1" mode when you play the games. What I think they'll do instead is announce a line of Nintendo Selects titles together with the Switch 2. Those Selects titles would be original Switch titles for like half the price and they'll market is a sort of "head-start" for newcomers to Nintendo and as a budget option for people chiosing to stick with the Switch 1.

[@kaynewoolley9104]

Gvg - No gvg cast this week. Also gvg - don’t worry we got you

[@ianboast9928]

Three things for me right now are the Switch Successor, Pokémon Legends Z-A and Metroid Prime 4: Beyond

[@SearchmanDS]

I didn't see a Switch in the wild till late August/early September so they were hide to find for a few months back in 2017

[@zeroshadow-warrior2304]

11:41 Well 2 or 3 doller a month for just the music is already more than just paying 20doller a year for NSO and you can buy NSO without owning a Switch.

[@shigerumiyamoto9612]

I have missed you guys so much

[@sparkypack]

Welcome back Miyamoto San.

[@Kotkal848]

They live!

[@Revi-j7m]

Just the fact switch 2 has confirmed backwards compat makes me more than comfortable investing in a physical library. With the next xbox/ps you just don't know. Not only that but the exclusives are kinda ass on both for the *most* part for me personally outside a few amazing ones ofcourse.

[@chriszennn]

we W.I.N.ning today!!

[@thatRANDOMBOT]

Me I am the guy getting NSO for the music app and all the other stuff is a bonus

[@nuclearbeeberman]

I think it makes no sense to keep the switch 1 in stores after the switch 2 launched. you don't want to have legacy users and everyone who is buying a switch 1 after 2 came out its a user they cannot sell switch 2 games in the future. appel also sells only the latest ipad and they do not need to care that much about compatibility.

[@Klaxynd]

Early February reveal for Switch 2 is my prediction. February 4th, 5th, or 6th. I think they'll release it on the 8th anniversary of the Switch's release.

[@andygraves2679]

Yay! So glad to have the WIN back! ❤

[@JCSA79V]

I think the more likely outcome is they retire the Switch OLED when Switch 2 comes out, keep the Switch Lite and have either the V2 stick around or a new budget revision for Switch 1. PS4 Pro and Xbox One X didn't stick around once the next gen rolled around for those platforms.

[@lol-ih1tl]

Nintendo could release a Switch 1 Lite OLED after Switch 2 the same way New 2DS XL released after Switch launched.

[@Axecon1]

The console is 95% going to be revealed before 31Mar2025. 5% for delays or other odd outcomes. There's no way Nintendo doesn't want to pad their stock before their fiscal year ends.

[@repoversemedium]

Give Nintendo another year and then we’ll finally be stable with them again.

[@sashindigo]

The difference between iPhone and Switch though is that the iPhone is the most expensive in the phone market, Switch is the cheapest of the console hybrids.

[@C0D97]

Take a shot every time someone says "pretty cool" or "super cool"

[@boboyqc]

Pretty sure Nintendo will have both LED and OLED options available. I honestly don't care about the screen of the switch, I almost never use it. Why would I pay more for it?

[@goteckwah]

Nintendo music is not available in Southeast Asia yet. Such a shame for Nintendo fans over here.

[@johnsmith-ut8dq]

They just opened a flagship store in Thailand, at Siam paragon shop mall.

[@zgeiselh6797]

Only took 3 months

[@C_Arson]

I'd be surprised if Nintendo made upgrades for Switch 1 games on Switch 2, even to a limited extent. Something about it seems very "un-Nintendo" to me, though if they did do it, it'd probably be done in some super strange way because Nintendo gotta be Nintendo.

[@lol-ih1tl]

I doubt that. Backwards compatibility would most likely done the old way by running Switch 1 games in a "Switch 1 mode" similar to 3DS's DS mode, which means that games would have the same frame rate and resolution. So if you want Switch 1 games to run in higher frame rates or resolutions, you'll have to wait until they get remade or remastered on future consoles, but you'll have to re-buy the games and start over.

[@TownDarling]

Let’s gooooo WINners

[@GamerFunOriginallyAarush]

…Huh?

[@AlexTheHorrid]

Why does this stay on here but not GVG cast?

[@sparkypack]

🤖 AstroBot GOTY 🤖

[@PIKMINROCK1]

I feel like it should be mentioned that base NSO is under $2 a month still. You were asking for a separate service that would cost more than what the base service costs.

[@MousaThe14]

Yeah I’m not a fan of that Nintendo Music app just based on the fact they don’t credit the composers. But the fact that it has limited features and functions just makes it more unappealing. I’d rather just have my video game music with the rest of my music library. I think the Switch’s release timing should’ve been seen as the fluke it was because it was done relatively quickly off the back of a dying Wii U. Nintendo’s not in a position where they feel like they have to rush their next big thing, so I don’t see why a Spring release would happen. It best, it’ll be announced in Spring and we’ll get it later.

[@YouTubeChannel-iq5to]

Not one of you has the balls to mention the Trump tariff elephant in the room? Eat your 599 tariff Switch 2!

[@TheGoldenoreos]

Glad to see Daniel join y’all on the WIN to keep things weekly! Won’t even bother guessing when the next Nintendo deal gets revealed. It’ll happen when it happens at this point. Happy with my Steam deck in the meantime as my switch is getting less use for performance reasons.

[@mellowfire420]

I'm so sick of hearing " switch 2 " I really hope it's named something different.

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

Nintendo Switch 2 is actually named Switch Two and has dual screens (top bottom) foldable. Graphics are close to Ps5 level

[@renanchoutock4886]

Nintendo Switch 2 not going to be 400 dollars, with Trump 60% tariffs

[@DannoTA]

We are so fucking BACK!!

[@milesrodger3724]

Have you guys ever talked about your life and work outside of GVG and balance? As a guy with a young family I think it would be interesting insight. Great video and chat

[@Melkac]

Nothing better than watching a podcast featuring two hot bear daddies 😋.

[@husseinrose4883]

Nintendo Music is such a dumb idea. Its like Nintendo having their own voice chat app. Its just inconvenient and bereft of features. I have a huge video game playlist on spotify and about one third of it is Nintendo through local files. Id be glad to replace them all if nintendo actually did anything like a normal company in the 21st century.