Nintendo Sues Yuzu Emulator

[@JamSome]

As Gabe Newell once said "Piracy is an issue of service, not price."

[@rory8182]

yep, if I could get things like Pokemon on PC, I would

[@ArgzeroYT]

That's not totally true, at least the price part. I'm not dropping >$100 on a game unless its literally Sword Art Online in the real world or the price BECOMES equivalent to current prices due to inflation.

[@viola_case]

​@@ArgzeroYTand I've never seen a game go for even close to 100

[@MrSoAsian225]

Depends on the country. I don't remember which one (I thought it was India, but it might be something else) but the price of a single AAA game is like, a months worth of rent or even someone's entire salary over there, because the price is in USD and then it's translated into their currency and is way too expensive. And piracy in that country is how people get like 80% of their games.

[@ARC-4723]

​​@@rory8182You can with emulators... Iffff you don't have a problem with piracy. Which I Don't have 🤫

[@unhingednuzlockeyt9767]

Remember, if buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing

[@ZebraLuv]

Yuzu isn't even pirating. You have buy the game and the Switch. You take the SD card out of your Switch with the games on it and it reads those files on the PC. This is definitely Nintendo thinking buying isn't owning.

[@Ihatethis1Futubeowningplay]

I have a collection of ps2 over 180 titles, but ps3-ps4. Yeah, they don't want you to own it. You have the right to rent it. If I am wasting my time and money I should have something to show for it when I share it with my kids

[@zenodezeno454]

@@ZebraLuvLets be real, 99% of people use it to play switch games without having a switch 💀

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@zenodezeno454 I can run Switch games at a smoother framerate and a higher resolution on my PC, so that's what ends up happening If my Switch didn't nearly overheat and scream its lungs out when running SMT V, I would just use the Switch lmao

[@zenodezeno454]

@@AdamOwenBrowning It isn't about what YOU do, it is about what most people statisically do with emulators which is use them for piracy. I bet if you counted up all the loses due to piracy it would mount to tens of millions. And once again, being dissatisfied with a consoles performance is no justification for that.

[@enty6587]

“This is 2024, gamers should not have to play their favorite games in 20 frames per second” Me with my potato 1050 TI pc: uhm…..

[@Pherim_]

The bigger advantage of Consoles its they should be expected to Run the games better than a Potato PC. Sure an PC han Run games at like 120fps if you build a super machine, but a Console should be able to Run anygame at decent framerate, even if its a Handheld it should run it with at least 30fps

[@welovethemallthesame1125]

1050ti isn’t that bad actually. Compared to the switch, 1050ti is much more powerful in terms of raw performance.

[@KTP12275]

I have an rx560, and we can still run games on low setting bro, when we get good paying jobs we can upgrade latter my man

[@DerKopfnussritter]

I play on a gtx 970 and have more than 20 fps 😂

[@enty6587]

@@DerKopfnussritter oml 😂😂

[@ThatOneguyman-v4j]

“Bring your games to pc or-“ Nintendo: “I choose death”

[@PaxTheDog360]

That's this guy 100% saying how Nintendo is dead because they won't share games while Playstation does the same shit with majority of the releases

[@twinkjakdoomer]

@@PaxTheDog360Nintendo and Sony are in completely different situations. If Nintendo brings games to pc that will severely hurt their switch 2 sales.

[@parthsaxena8922]

there are fates worse than death

[@CharChan10]

Bro's username says it all

[@ThatOneguyman-v4j]

@@PaxTheDog360 wrong, I was saying how Nintendo would prefer to do anything else besides adding there games to pc. Also adding games to different devices or make a collaboration with other companies so they can add Nintendo games onto there devices.

[@AnimeFan4815]

I like how he goes right back to being unconvinced and sueing Yuzu

[@accywacky2699]

Got to stay in character!

[@staceyahipene4314]

💀💀💀

[@JunkieRemix]

To quote Shrek “Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen” (Edit: I was referring to Nintendo putting their games on Steam)

[@tjhedgescout3052]

Exactly, as much as i wish they would change their ways, they will never do it. They would rather die on their hill than change.

[@anthonynewmaningressman]

Nintendo here's an idea and calls it heresy

[@denis-florian_0.57]

I mean Sony did it, Xbox did it, why not Nintendo? Are they really that foolish

[@andreaquadrati]

I got some news for ya boi.

[@juliusnebulus7303]

Good. That means they still keep working on solid consoles that actually work for some time. Have my 3ds for over a decade. Still works like a charm, never had to repair it. Same with the wii. Same with my switch. It was never made for pc. Never meant to be.

[@AdamDustingreatness]

Piracy is a service issue

[@Vulspyr]

Mostly an accessibility issue but yes.

[@alkon8032]

**cough** Uplay... **cough** Ubisoft games in general **cough**

[@ninetailsofthesun279]

Yes to both, I emulate gba games because they're so hard to come by at a reasonable price.

[@chronicallyretarded]

@@ninetailsofthesun279Facebook marketplace:

[@DDoodles_]

@@ninetailsofthesun279most people find it okay to emulate games that aren’t sold by the makers anymore

[@HollyQUin-iu4kk]

This is the same guy that said putting your exclusive games on different consoles was a bad idea. The circle is complete.

[@stratigangames508]

He's an idiot, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

[@ItzArditrus]

Ok putting them on another console and putting them on PC are different

[@HollyQUin-iu4kk]

@@ItzArditrus Wrong. It's the same and has the same outcome. PC Master Race = Best form of gaming machine. Consoles are gaming machines.

[@ItzArditrus]

@@HollyQUin-iu4kk it doesn't though, Microsoft own a lot of the studios or have some form of ownership of them and owns Xbox so Xbox games being available on PC makes sense considering they're both owned by Microsoft PlayStation Xbox and Nintendo make CONSOLES, machines specifically made for gaming that come with media features, PCs are in fact; NOT made for gaming, the original intention of a PC is spreading information Sony putting their exclusives on steam allows them to control their market and where things get sold while giving them a profit boost, they control what they publish and seeing as though whenever a Playstation game is released on steam it skyrockets to the top sellers charts.... I'd say it works pretty well

[@Swan-p2h]

@@ItzArditrusin this sense you can only play this game on switch so it’s technically an exclusive GAME he wants them to put their exclusive GAME on a different platform where other GAMES are played do you see how this works he is literally saying give your exclusive away

[@Thorninjag]

There's a reason for that: Console Sales.

[@Blue_Cobain]

Yes. The switch. By far, the most useless console on the current market, only surviving due to its exclusive games. If they made a console that could run anything, they wouldn't need to be exclusive to console.

[@ShadowSnow00]

​@@Blue_CobainSo true

[@sethbigboy324]

@@Blue_Cobain thats just nintendos entire business model. not one of their consoles were ever better than another (minus the DS), they just had good games

[@LaPoubelle42]

Nintendo is insanely innovative with their console design. Their hardware doesn’t compete, but that’s never been a priority for them. The SNES was a great console, great controller, but didn’t have the same processing power as the Sega consoles. Same story with the game cube which had like no loading screens, another great innovative controller, and banger games. The Wii was a huge success and has functioning motion detection, a great UI, etc. The switch was/is an incredibly well executed idea of a modern console despite its lackluster hardware and it’s still worth owning for the exclusive titles alone. This is just Nintendo. It’s nothing new, and they are still a hugely successful game company.

[@BoredGamer6]

The crazy thing is they'd still get console sales, PS4 and 5 still sold cuz yoy just release it way earlier on console and then wait like a year to put it on PC. Some will wait and others will grab it immediately with the console. It's wild that they won't sacrifice some console sales to make better games sales long term

[@KamiEpix]

"Piracy is a service problem" Gabe Newell

[@shootaman2]

If only that were true. The games that are most often pirated are the ones that are released on pc. It's nothing to do with service. Pc gamers are just cheap.

[@user-xp8rh5yt5k]

​@@shootaman2pc gamers are cheap says this bozo, mf an average PC gamer setup cost 3000 dollars. It's not about being cheap, its just that some games are not worth the money or, that you want to try some games before buying which is always good. And then you have those who do it for media preservation. Man get out of here with that "PC gamers are cheap" just because on console they make you guys pay for playing online 😂

[@AndyFiorello]

@@shootaman2Oh you sweet summer child. The ability of the steam sale to decimate the wallets of PC gamers is legendary. I have 813 games right now in my steam library, and I have only *played* 341 of them, and I still buy more all the time.

[@thew1ngman]

​@@shootaman2 Yeah PC gamers and their $1000+ dollar set ups, multiple monitors, gaming mice, gaming chairs, desks. So god damn cheap with their steam library of 300+ games. Those guys do nothing but pirate.

[@AkibaMomoro]

Laughs in my 500+ steam game library and folder full of only console roms.@@shootaman2

[@funkycheese2763]

Nintendo: “Nah, I’d Sue.”

[@Webberjo]

Nintendo didn't sue Yuzu just for being able to emulate their games, they sued Yuzu for explaining how to do it.

[@nomatyx5789]

also from ripping TotK before it was released and profiting from that lol

[@DepressedFrenchy]

Also for stealing parts of the switch source code AND for trying to monetize the latest versions of the emulator . that is also the main reason an emulator or a fangame gets sued by Nintendo. You can absolutely emulate a console, they can't do anything about it but you have to do it on your own and without profiting off of it because that's illegal.

[@Verchiel_]

Yuzu devs locking some emulator builds behind Patreon is the obvious nail in the coffin. It's an obvious no go

[@Stitchmaniac2]

It's astonishing to me how everyone pretends Nintendo is in the wrong for this

[@DepressedFrenchy]

@@Stitchmaniac2 of course everyone pretends that. Theyr favorit KZbinr did a half assed research job at what actually happened.

[@IANDURBECK]

"You know why people aren't hacking Xbox or Sony's games?" - Th... they are... no game is safe...

[@The_Keeper]

Nor should they be. Hell, Piracy is the only way to get/play a LOT of older games, especially Nintendo's older games.

[@turboshell]

Piracy will always exist, but it’s a relative thing. As a certain man once said “piracy is almost always a service problem” There’s always gonna be people who just want free games but there’s a reason most people who pirate would rather own the game on steam, because of all that it adds and helps the experience

[@ABEL-cd2sp]

​@@turboshell yep me personally I prefer to buy my games because they just work so much better than their pirated version at times, plus if they bring it to PC I can take full advantage of my hardware instead of depending on an emulator. I say this while also being the kind of person who absolutely loathes paying for software, video games just hit different when you buy them in my opinion.

[@Skyrimbloodlord]

IIRC, in regards to specifically Xbox, nobody’s pirating because they physically can’t. The box is locked down tighter than your sphincter 😂

[@ANDELE3025]

@@Skyrimbloodlord My dude, every xbox game has its ROM up on the net, 2 even in the IA which you can copy (not DL) to have a backup of your version as there is no difference between copies of the game, which tbf its not piracy. What can be piracy and is up for all consoles is pirated CDs and cards.

[@Loxu69]

I think people fundamentally misunderstand what emulators are for and that’s why they still support Nintendo. They think you’re supposed to rip roms online and they emulators give you the roms. First emulation companies never give out pirated roms or files. Second emulators are for preservation, consoles have an end of life, CDs are terrible for long term preservation, PS3s are ticking time bombs and eventually we won’t be able to play those games anymore. The ability to take game data off of games you own and playing them on emulators ensures that no matter how far companies go with planned obsolescence we can still preserve these games for the newer generation.

[@sammy709]

To be fair im pretty sure a major point in this case was yuzu being used to play totk BEFORE release Which I mean, probably Nintendo's fault for somehow leaking the entire game before release, but in no way was that a legitimate use for anyone doing that

[@youraveragejoe23]

​@@sammy709thats not yuzu's fault because people got a little too greedy and wanted early 😂

[@youraveragejoe23]

also the only illegal one is dolphin because it has patented keys in the files which nintendo found

[@sammy709]

@@youraveragejoe23 def not saying it's yuzus fault, just saying that that's part of where this case came from. And Nintendo knows very well that people don't use emulators legally most of the time. However they still don't have a good case, meaning probably nothing will happen to yuzu. F Nintendo for their lawsuits btw

[@youraveragejoe23]

@@sammy709 yeah thats what i was saying. Nintendo doesnt have a case

[@EggdogGaming-kd3vi]

The reason is solely because Nintendo utilizes the gimmick of motion controls, not everything has that

[@Rasheed470]

Dualsense controller: am I a joke to you (since it has gyro which is the same as motion controls)

[@teejaysounds420]

Bin the motion controls. They’ve been janky since the Wii. It’s time to move on. VR does the whole motion control gimmick way better. I don’t want to waggle a remote around. It’s not immersive.

[@ReindeerDan]

“No one pirates Sony or Xbox games.” All the PC pirates that have played every game in the last 10yrs without spending a dime:👀

[@dollscentedhunter2514]

"Why dont they just release their games on pc?" Pc users:

[@FierceDeity35]

No one pirates these games because they're ass

[@ChNiNe09]

It's funny how You make it sound like everyone on PC pirates games when in reality pirates are a minority. At the end is just console shill propaganda because "PC bad" but now a days pirates only do it mostly to demo the game before purchasing it and those in countries were getting just one game almost literally cost you a liver.

[@hellfrozenphoenix13]

​@@FierceDeity35last of Us 1, God of War, God of War Ragnorak, etc are ass? Delusional take. The reason they aren't as pirated is because they are available. Nothing more nor less.

[@bearpoop720]

​@@hellfrozenphoenix13yes they are ass. No one wants to play cutscene simulators.

[@thedukeconiosantiago9180]

nintendo: nah i'd make a stronger console and keep suing.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

They're always two console generations behind power-wise

[@notme8652]

*slightly better console than their last

[@khululyp]

@@dissonanceparadiddle They weren't during the SNES, N64 and Gamecube era but they were not as profitable as the Wii and Switch are. The Switch, when in development, bought a state of the art mobile game chip but when it released it was already 'outdated'. They took quite a risk with the Switch but showed that there is a great market for serious gaming handhelds, look at the Steamdeck and RoG ally. Without the Switch they would not be as marketable.

[@_THE_ONE_PIECE_IS_REAL_]

Throughout the heavens and the earth I alone am the greedy one.

[@nightmarelyoko]

Still out selling the others ​@@dissonanceparadiddle

[@keitaro_kun5188]

Ahahahha yeah thats a sad reality with most of the gaming copies nowadays 😂😂😂

[@TheSecondAngel]

@@justapizzofffI used to do that too my dude till I got a better paying job now I buy games and buy game for my friends. Like I pirated risk of rain 2 felt so bad I did cause I really enjoyed their game I basically bought the game 8 times and 3 times for the dlc.

[@dasrieldealer7703]

​@@justapizzofff then you are not a fan

[@TheSecondAngel]

@@justapizzofff lol same it’s a such a good game I bought it again on console when my got starched up from taking it out when playing Halo reach.

[@DanteGabriel-lx9bq]

Isn't this the same guy who said to Xbox: "You need to keep games exclusive" but then asks Nintendo to put them on PC? Okey. Great logic.

[@S3nn4h]

Having a console exclusive on PC is still console exclusive... PC is a different platform. You have console (Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo) and PC (Windows, MacOS, Linux).

[@ultramegaok97]

seethe

[@GotenksBH]

A PC is a console?

[@PaxTheDog360]

He's just pissed off that people don't care about the FPS

[@ReNooN23]

"PC isn't a console" 🤓

[@silasellwood9229]

Fun fact: it is perfectly legal to emulate any game whatsoever provided 1. You own the game and 2. It's an emulation of a save file you created

[@ObiwanNekody]

There's a lot more going on than just those two things for video games emulation to be legal, but without those two things it almost never is.

[@SunbearSmoke]

​@@ObiwanNekodyn9pe, thats all that needed for legality. If you own the game and the console you can do whatever you want with them.

[@saltyvgn5103]

Its illegal to distribute, as long as its your own file and you use for yourseld then theres no problem, but hosting roms counts as distribution, which is illegal. Althoguh im not against emulation, ive gotten the Chance to play many amazing games because of it

[@jr2904]

Yeah, but pirates don't buy games.

[@ConspireTheMuse]

@@jr2904 Yuzu doesn't advocate piracy. It actually advocates against it on its site. Yuzu is for people with the console and the game. If Nintendo wants to stop piracy, there's a lot of other ways to try first, as opposed to... I don't know... suing Yuzu and now a ton of people know Yuzu exists, thereby making Yuzu more popular.

[@knightmare3706]

The thing is, Emulating is not piracy. Getting the Roms and games online is illegal. And to emulate games with yuzu, you need a nodded switch you can dump your games and product keys from. Also people do emulate Playstation and Xbox. Just the old consoles cause their exclusives aren't on PC. Like kill zone, MGS 4, infamous, the original god of war games, etc.

[@r_dribble]

Finally someone get it

[@henrioak]

Yeah, and in my experience ninrendo games are emulated more frequently simply because its easier haha. I once tried to emulate ps2 and it asked me for external software to make it compatible. But a gba, ds, and the dolphin emulator? Running like smooth butter.

[@leozar69]

I emulate cause their remakes change too much. Dialogue, censor characters, and flat out remove scenes, Flat out deleting characters.... And also because some games never came overseas, cause some sensitive localizers. "Gregory Horror Show" (ps2) THAT GAME OUTSHINES! Screw that. I don't care how pretty you make remakes look, with updated graphics. They'll never have the same impact as original first experiences. You don't try to fix something that isn't broken. You'll only end up making it worse. I hate censorship.. 😑

[@youraveragejoe23]

​@@henrioakthats because nintendo is dumb and their consoles can always be modded super easily

[@kxnshinz]

No way bro said that 💀 First of all,An NS is Litterally on a small device which is why it's easier to emulates Second of all how tf do u expect to emulate a godamn console? Third of all,psp emulator is easier to emulate does that make em dumb? No.​@@youraveragejoe23

[@brianweaver327]

"because they bring them to PC!" *laughs in Bloodborne*

[@xenogaming9600]

I mean of course, they need to keep certain things Console only so that people still buy them. However, a lot of their products can still be bought on steam

[@gsst6389]

Shadow of the colossi, ghost GOT , infamous, gran turismo, sack boy, demon souls… ratchet-

[@adityanoviant8180]

as someone who had play bloodborne on ps4. just play elden ring. :)

[@denis-florian_0.57]

So many great Sony games on steam and y'all still crying for that 10 years old game

[@NierEmiya]

​@@denis-florian_0.57it's because the games amazing,I bought a ps5 mainly for bloodborne and the persona dancing games but I'd love to see it ported to pc so more people can play it

[@mace_felloutthe_windu]

"Because they bring them to pc" *STARES IN BLOODBORNE*

[@dillasoul2228]

You'll be a skeletal corpse waiting with the rest of us, as we get excavated from an ancient buried couch

[@mithileshwadurkar8809]

😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@taichitachibana8955]

Umm i think bloodborne will be ported to pc i saw some trailer somewhere

[@cryptidv]

​@@taichitachibana8955it was probably a meme sadly 😔

[@deugan182]

I literally thought the same thing

[@Lancefh_ENV]

"They bring them to pc." >Cries in Bloodborne

[@Ant_Dawgg]

Greed is going to be the downfall of the gaming industry. In fact, greed will be the downfall of society.

[@MondoC]

I love how you think your saying something new and unique but just aren’t.

[@disendromeder4347]

​@@MondoCyou're And just because it isn't new doesn't mean it's not true

[@KylixTheFur]

I disagree. Gaming companies survive because people buy their games. That greed is one day going to stray into the "fuck around and find out" territory, and they're going to find out. Look at the Gamestop stock story. That was regular people telling Wallstreet it was time for them to find out.

[@oneofthembous7359]

im happy you corrected his grammer​@@disendromeder4347

[@ZantariEXE]

What do you mean will be? It’s already happening😂

[@ayhemsebri]

Fun fact. Emulation isn't illegal it's getting the games that usually is

[@uimasterroshi171]

@katondragonrider True but i guess not even a full 1% can or does that xD

[@ShinMegamiTenseiEnjoyer]

​@@uimasterroshi171true, but I don't think there is a problem in pirating a game you own, just to make things less complicated

[@thatboymeak]

that and the fact they monetized things... it was around for quite a while before it got shut down.

[@notthefbi7015]

In America it isn't, Japan has very different copyright laws. They hold jurisdiction. Thanks to the lawsuit Yuzu has to pay out 2.4 million dollars.

[@cantufekci23]

I had bought physical copies of 3ds games but my 3ds died a long time ago so I had been using citra to play the games I own instead of buying another 3ds or paying money to repair the one that died. That’s not piracy, and it should be legal. But I understand that emulators make it possible to download games when you don’t own a copy of the game, leading to piracy.

[@pud9592]

They succeeded in suing Yuzu btw. They settled upon 2.4million dollars. :(

[@Lone_Rocket]

DOES YUZU HAVE 2.4 MILLION DOLLARS??

[@Nizzare]

Settling isn't succeeding they didn't go to court

[@Andy-js5jy]

Much worse, not just yuzu and including Citra is officially closed due to nintendo suing yuzu and Citra for pay 2,5 million of dollars

[@balls12324]

@@Lone_Rocket2018-now. Let's just say their 30k a month on Patreon started to kick off in 2020. Not too bad, but still a dent in their pockets.

[@alpacaodoom]

@@Lone_Rocket Yes, they got fucked because of their patreon. They released a patch for playing TOTK on their patreon before the game released.

[@GhostieToasterStrudel]

Small Angel Kronk: No, no, he’s got a point there.

[@greninjahox212]

We should clarify that Yuzu stole the game data BEFORE the game was on stores and put it on their Patreon. That is the illegal part.

[@Krystalchan2009]

Correct, this is why the yuzu repos on githubs are still active. This is also why they settled out of court to prevent president on the books

[@Sorcerer86pt]

True, but it doesn't diminish the point he made

[@greninjahox212]

@@Sorcerer86pt yeah, of course. The point of the video is still valid. But if Yuzu did nothing illegal they probably would still be alive because Nintendo could not sue them.

[@myguy2656]

You are the guy who reminded the teacher of homework

[@piegumplays9059]

i wana add that it was not yuzu per see but some people using the program to steal it its technically they fault but not really its like someone invented a smart key for smart cars and nintendo had they own smart car stolen because someone changed the key to work on them

[@mittens-gaming4]

I don’t think many people understand what else YuZu devs were doing since they also exchanged ROMs on discord, tried making their own NSO on Patreon and also put out patches on Patreon during the time TOTK got leaked which was indirectly encouraging piracy and that’s the reason why other emulators aren’t being sued

[@Endocryne609]

Well since none of us are Ninendo shareholders we simply care about the gaming experience and while I don’t condone nor practice piracy I do respect those that try to improve the game and make it better when the developers fail. Because ultimately it’s about the gamers having the experience they pay for and if the developers are incapable of doing that atleast some private devs can take a crack at it.

[@papitasloup2119]

I would never defend a company's profits least of all Nintendo but yeah that's wrong. If they do stuff like that that's so far out of line, it jeopardizes emulation as a whole, it's rocking the boat. I have to begrudgingly side with Nintendo on this one because I don't want precedents to be set for taking action against emulation if people keep doing stuff like this

[@sws212]

@@Endocryne609 That's one argument and I don't doubt a lot of players feel that way but videos like this are garbage if they believe it's an all or nothing situation where every player is doing x for x reason and some players aren't just doing it so they can play a game that they didn't pay for. There needs to be a realization Nintendo is going after what they view are thieves, not covering for their inability to make next gen games or disallowing property rights or whatever. Till then, it's just two throwing what they perceive as strawmen back and forth. Quality enhancement has never been the primary purpose of piracy.

[@fourjhin_cookies]

"They bring them to pc!" *laughs in Bloodborne* *cries inconsolably*

[@DamnDaimen]

"Bring this to PC I beg of you" ~ a femboy youtuber

[@TRGha770]

“If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.”

[@RGC_animation]

This guy is hilarious, "no one pirates Sony or Xbox games", funniest thing I've heard today.

[@koolaidmansam8yearsago273]

True, but pirating nintendo games is far more common. The point he’s trying to make is that games get pirated less when they’re brought to pc

[@overill1187]

But no one buys a xbox or playstation, because they are lesser versions of PC's. The Switch is the only console to offer more than just wattered down PC and the switch exklusiv games are a big part of that. I think the Nintendo piracy problem comes from the old games they don't care about anymore. in my opinion they shouldn't port their games to pc but bring the virtual console back.

[@JyuzouNT]

​@@koolaidmansam8yearsago273pirating Nintendo is "more common" because it was easier to crack. Remember the PSP? Yeah...

[@Chr0n0s38]

​@@JyuzouNT Nintendo emulation is also easier due to their weaker hardware. It's really a perfect storm of problems.

[@kevin_lee_music]

​@@Chr0n0s38 that's not NECESSARILY true. Architecture matters a lot more than power when it comes to emulating consoles. The Sega Saturn and PS2 took a long time to have solid emulation because they were such complicated systems. Not to mention by your logic, we should've had really good Xbox 360 and PS3 emulation a LONG time ago. Emulation isn't just a matter of "weak hardware is easy to emulate and beefy hardware is difficult to emulate". The real reason Switch is so easy to emulate is because it's architecture is very simple, it's very similar to Android's architecture which has been emulated for years now. In fact, Yuzu on Android (I'm not sure if this applies to other Switch emulators) had Native Code Execution, allowing a lot of the code to just run on Android because it's so similar

[@michaeljean2593]

Yuzu was proffiting through patreon unlike other switch emulators. Thus why other switch emulators arent being affected.

[@filipinoarbiter5967]

Having an emulator is completely legal and so is monetizing it. However, Yuzu was not safe with their practices and often blatantly supported piracy.

[@mattguxxxtt9629]

they also shut down citra and a homebrew app called fbi for 3ds

[@Auralice]

Building an emulator with your own code and monetizing it is perfectly legal, having a paywalled community that openly shares Nintendo's copyrighted material is not, that's why they got sued. All they had to do was not engage in piracy.

[@mitsuruneterra6035]

Yuzu is from US tho Easily sued

[@dhew1253]

​@@filipinoarbiter5967I think what he meant was that monetizing the emulator itself is legal, but not the games you play with it

[@CaptinHavoc1]

"No one is trying to pirate Xbox or Sony's games?" My guy, yes they are.

[@galaxycamerata]

That is also a very good point. People pirate Playstation and Xbox games... but generally people who do that are also even-tempered enough to just shut the fuck up about it. Meanwhile Nintendo's active attempts to stifle access to their older libraries has made people so loud and nasty about it that they will proclaim to the heavens that it is ALWAYS morally correct to pirate Nintendo games with no prompting. And that's where _I_ will shut the fuck up about it.

[@SuyashDaundkar]

I think he meant *emulate rather than pirate..

[@Malkuth-Gaming]

@@SuyashDaundkar same thing

[@MOPlayzFY2]

​@@Malkuth-Gaming Emulation isn't piracy

[@PaxTheDog360]

Hell most Nintendo players are emulating older games. The Xbox and PlayStation people want to emulate all the newest stuff because they don't wanna pay $500 for a console

[@JesseWolting]

If they do that, they would probably be losing money, because then almost nobody will be buying their consoles.

[@grayson-nerd]

Objection!: People pirate Nintendo games on PC because they can, Nintendo games are not demanding (Seriously, GameCube games are like 1GB a piece) But I think the main reason people pirate games is because of current availability, because yeah, Nintendo doesn’t put them on PC and doesn’t bring them to Switch. Although if you’re willing to dish out $1000 or more for a PC, I don’t think getting a Nintendo Switch for $200-300 is the problem.

[@justwolf3937]

Comparing a switch game to a GameCube game is kinda facetious considering there's been 2 consoles and a jump in graphics and scope between now and then, so while yeah a GameCube game may be a gig a switch game can be about 10-40 depending on scope. Also not everyone drops thousands on a PC, I got my laptop for $250 at a pawn shop and that was my big purchase of the year, not everyone can afford to even go to GameStop to look at a switch let alone buy one

[@grayson-nerd]

@@justwolf3937 I’m not trying to bash you, but I disagree with what you say. I do agree with GameCube being an odd comparison, I just emulated them myself because they’re small and easy on my pc. Although I wasn’t really comparing them, it was just, like the Nintendo thing a lot if people pirate, including myself. Nintendo is just easy to emulate usually. Although where I disagree with you is in the size of Switch games. If people are pirating a Nintendo Switch game, it’s gonna be a Nintendo-made game, not a multi-platform, and the absolute largest file size for a Nintendo game on Switch is 16.6GB for Fire Emblem Engage. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is only 6.7GB, Super Mario Odyssey is 5.7GB, Zelda Botw is 13.4GB, Super Mario Maker 2 is 2.8GB, and Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury is 2.9GB. A game a lot of people would probably pirate due to availability is Super Mario 3D All-Stars is 4.9GB. All much larger than a GameCube game, but most not even entering your range. You exaggerated a bit, or you didn’t know, which is okay. Although, GameCube and Nintendo Switch are kinda just 1 and 1/2 generations apart, considering the Wii is a slightly buffed GameCube, the Wii U was the only real power jump, and the Switch is a Wii U buffed up a bit to-go. And I understand that not everyone has the money to throw at video games all the time, but any PC that inexpensive I don’t see gaming particularly well anyway. In order to game, you kinda have to throw a lot of money into it, it’s a hobby, unnecessary, but if you can afford a decent gaming PC at all, you can most certainly afford any of the consoles, including PS5, Xbox Series X, and Nintendo Switch. I think it’s odd to pirate a conole that’s currently being supported, because slowly building up my library is fun, and many years down the line the games will be rarer, and you can play them or resell them to other collectors, which is something you can’t do if you pirate the entire generation. Older consoles that have been discontinued such as the GameCube, I support whole-heartedly your pirate-tendencies in terms of those games, they’re way too expensive in many cases, like more expensive than modern games. It’s just dumb. Although I think the reason I am this way is because I enjoy collecting games, the currently supported, the nostalgic, the legendary, and also the other ones to a lesser extent. It’s my hobby, and I spend my money responsibly to pick up a new game every now and then, and while it does spend a fair portion of my spending-money, I think that’s just the price of gaming. But man! $300 for Pokémon SoulSilver? THAT SUCKS! Pirate that all you want. But nothing beats being on a camping trip(one of my few other hobbies I do with my family) and whipping out my Nintendo Switch and playing Mario Kart, and to have the sibling next to me challenge me to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Video games are my childhood, and I carry them forward with me.

[@MrMichealHouse]

Switch is still terrible hardware. Playing the game at 144 fps is always preferable.

[@Lemur_OS]

@@grayson-nerd the games runa nd look like shit

[@grayson-nerd]

@@Lemur_OS you own one? Which game? Kind of depends on what you’re trying to play. If you’re trying to play something Nintendo or indie or old, it’s a solid choice for virtually everything except mainline Pokèmon. If you’re trying to play modern, demanding, third party games, that’s not what the Switch was made for, you’re better off playing demanding games on other hardware. It’s not a modern console in terms of power, largely because it’s a handheld, and that’s how it was designed. As evident by the price being lower than other market options, it isn’t being pushed to the max in terms of power-portably, that’s just the Nintendo Switch. Even so, weak isn’t necessarily bad, you have to look at it from all angles, not just whether it can or can’t run the best version of Hogwart’s Legacy(which I am salty about). That’s why I’ll not be playing that specific game on the Switch. Either PC or PS5, I’ll have to look into which of those platforms runs it better.

[@fabiopauli420]

„If people Pirate our game that means they either where not confident in their purchasing, they couldn’t obtain the product legally, the price was to high or we didnt make a good enough game“ - Marcin Iwiński (Co-Founder CD Project red around the time of Witcher 2‘s release)

[@jr2904]

"I'm a thief" - You Because there's no excuses for stealing, Nintendo games aren't low quality and they are worth what they charge.

[@chikinonfrydai]

@@jr2904 lol. lmao even

[@kinjr04]

@@jr2904… It’s not the games fault… it’s the console it’s played on

[@Ze12365]

@@jr2904 The games are great, the console's limitations are not.

[@fabiopauli420]

@@jr2904 maybe for you in your cozy first world country. I haven’t pirate a modern Nintendo game since… i honestly dont even know if i ever did. But i pirated Pokemon blue since my gameboy color suffered from random shutdowns what isnt even considered illegal in my country cause i bought a physical copy of the game

[@harithfahmi1206]

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft

[@thecornmaster]

I mean, piracy isn't theft regardless, but you're on the right track

[@sourpenguin360]

I agree, if they aren't selling their old games like nes, SNES, and N64 why should I buy them?

[@marcomicheli6345]

Let this man cook

[@ThegrandKrild]

@@sourpenguin360they have that games in Nintendo switch online

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@ThegrandKrild last I checked, the applications for those games only include popular Nintendo classics, not the games that weren't exclusively published by Nintendo.

[@regiboi7709]

We can't deny that Nintendo still absolutely COOKS when making games

[@thelagsalot]

Yuzu is one of the few modern emulators that are very clearly anti piracy. Edit: Apparently if you joined their discord this was not the case. This was only on their website and reddit lmao

[@featherfruit]

How so

[@thelagsalot]

@@featherfruit They have always been publicly anti piracy and are the only emulator ive seen have an official guide on how to legally dump your own games and get your own keys.

[@featherfruit]

@@thelagsalot thanks for the info. I feel like pcsx2 also has a guide on how to dump your ps2 bios, but it's been a bit so I could be wrong

[@Lasarius]

@@thelagsalotyeah but then they made a patreon which is the same mistake all Nintendo Fan Projects that got shot down made

[@reneziesemer7457]

@@thelagsalotyou cant „legally dump“ Switch games. You have to „break“ the copy protection which you are not allowed to.

[@TheDaxter11]

Honestly props to Nintendo for TOTK I only occasionally got frame drops in certain areas, and in BOTW I used to get heavy frame drops in Korok Forest specifically where the Master Sword was but in TOTK I didn't get any frame drops there at all.

[@Cheese18372]

Korok forest was an absolute nightmare for my switch in BotW

[@ShinsHandle]

Same tbh, only time I would get frame drops is using Zonai abilities in certain areas or if I build the most heinous contraption (that doesn't work 90% of the time because I suck at building.)

[@hunterchristiansen4951]

I had wii u so I did not have this problem when I was playing botw

[@hunterchristiansen4951]

People give wii u a bad rep,but that thing is a goat when it comes to frames and online play,and other studf

[@kyleszalontay2316]

Who’s gonna tell him that the legal department and game development department are completely separate areas of the company

[@olstar18]

Who's gonna tell him that his post completely misses the fact that piracy is best fought by making a quality product not attacking fans who are inconvenienced by bad design.

[@lacucaracha111111]

Whos gonna tell you that intercorporate traffdic and meeting exist? Oh and CEOs do as well

[@ShamTotal]

Who’s gonna tell him that a handheld device is going to obviously run a game at like 20 frames, cause it not a 3000 dollar gaming pc, it’s a 300 dollar handheld console💀💀💀

[@Hox5241]

Under one big wing called Nintendo btw. Just a thought

[@crthejediknightninja]

Yeah that legal department takes money to run, you know what also takes money to run the dev department.

[@just_justin54]

Nintendo: can’t have competition if you sue all of your competitors

[@megashadow1390]

Nah man, they got an IP goldmine, they'd lose their edge if they do it, never gonna happen 😂

[@looneymar9153]

I for one have thought myself a convinced pirate my whole life, yet the moment i became independent from my parents and started to live off my own earnings I've stopped pirating altogether, no amount of torrent fuckery can beat the comfort of just hopping on steam to buy the thing i want, same with music. EVEN NOW that companies hate Russian consumers which i am one of, forcing me to find workarounds to put money on steam wallet, it's still more convenient. If i was unlucky enough to like Nintendo ip (which i don't) though, I'd still be pirating because this much of a bottlenecking the content is in fact a hustle to overcome.

[@looneymar9153]

Tldr first rule of business: make it easy and worthwhile for customers to give their money to you because they are dummies that will do it if those 2 simple conditions are met.

[@megashadow1390]

@@looneymar9153 lol yeah Apple works the same way with Apple TV, missing out on an entire potential market by not making an Android app

[@quinnmarchese6313]

@@looneymar9153Nintendo wouldnt even see a significant loss in Switch sales if they just added features like cross-save compatibility. A Switch is a still a hell of a lot smaller than a Steam Deck, i can basically fit the whole thing in my pocket, not to mention my OLED model has better battery life, and i don't have to fuck with it to make most games work. im a lot more comfortable playing Switch before work or during breaks than i am the Deck.

[@cpt.zursee4430]

What stops them to bring big IP's to PC? Sony does it. Apparently theres an untapped market there ;)

[@jesterjaded73]

The majority of piraters: Nah I'd still pirate.

[@Strawberrymilkdrink]

yea..... :/ "you know why people dont pirate xbox and sony games" me: people pay for those?🤢

[@empdisaster10]

I agree. But a lot of times if i really enjoy a game ill buy it when i have the money to so i can support the devs. For me its a matter of i dont have a lot of money to spare for games and when piracy is so easy its just a no brainer.

[@shinazaki14imasa54]

Imagine, buying games isn't worth it 🤣. Id still pirate games than wasting money lmao

[@JarlDolan]

Yeah, there were so many games I was glad I got to try this way, because they were nothing like I thought they were. Trailers and demos can be misleading. If I like it, I'll support the developers. What's better is when I'd try it and I liked it, then saw there was QoL or free DLCs coming out. It's hard to keep my money in my wallet when that happens. I generally prefer playing games in the way they're meant to be played.

[@toasttoast7487]

Then why do you pirate steam games? Well because I uhhhh well you see if they put it on- if they- if developers just- well I DON’T KNOW ANYMORE I JUST WANTED A REASON TOO, OK?

[@Hayden-qj1lo]

As someone who played ToTk on the year 1 switch, it honestly impressed me with how well it ran on what’s essentially outdated hardware.

[@Badboy25251]

All consoles are using outdated from the steamdeck to the ps5. Handhelds will age faster than stationary consoles it's the same thing with laptops.

[@Kitkat_bar]

Yeah same like I had 0 issues and I have an og animal crossing switch and it runs it great I play great I have no problems or complaints and it loved the game I think people are just babies tbh 😂

[@stormblest8967]

Same, no issues whatsoever. Also, what a beautiful game it is.

[@Aurrs]

@@Kitkat_bar calling ppl babies just bc they have higher standards and dont want to play a good game on trash hardware is a pretty dumb comment to make lol

[@Aurrs]

the problem isnt that ppl had issues making the game run well, the switch just doesnt run well to begin with, most switch games are hard nerfed by the hardware its on, just bc u can deal with 20-30fps doesnt mean others can or want to

[@gsamamp4]

Gaming companies need to see your videos

[@Bdoll1993]

They won't. It would be suicide for their console. All of their games could easily play on a cheap laptop. They'd lose so much money as Switch sales are huge for them. Nintendo being the Apple of gaming is their strategy and allowing their stuff to be played on other devices would kill that.

[@Enjinercraft]

Kinda wish Nintendo made a steam type platform then

[@pain6797]

They should up their specs

[@mos_tekmusic7285]

Real.

[@frogalex8915]

@@pain6797the problem is they also want to stay affordable.

[@karsuz18]

but people dont want to accept the PC sales are not worth the user loss in their console

[@SteelandSouls]

That would demolish their console market. Hell, people are ticked at Sony for not having exclusives anymore.

[@ninja6245-real]

Exclusives are what will kill this industry.

[@Taliikitsunee]

What’s funny is how fans want the older Pokemon games on switch and all they gave was a graphics update to an old one. They have all these games in their vault and they do nothing with them because “there’s not enough demand for them”.

[@karsuz18]

@@ninja6245-real exclusives are the reason the industry exists

[@BenTutor-im1yp]

Nah, the main driving forces for consoles has always been people who can’t afford thousand dollar+ gaming PCs and people who’ll just by the new ones anyways.

[@CaptCrepitus]

@@BenTutor-im1yp…. No? There have been platform wars almost as long as there’s been video games in the home. Driving force behind it is who has the better hardware, and the better game library. Nintendo has the kids market cornered. Nintendo isn’t worried about what the 18+ demographic feels about their games because well. That’s not Nintendo’s audience. Their demographic is the 16 and under. Sony and Microsoft are marketing to adults quite a lot more, who have MUCH more spending power on average than children, and would like to expand their market to other platforms to increase their player base. PC gaming is a relatively new craze because it’s only been easily accessible for most people here in the last ~8-10 years. PC gamers were LITERALLY the last thing any of the devs cared about for the longest time. Look at the horrible PC ports we STILL get today and it proves my point further.

[@Waskomsause]

Except remember, the people behind this emulator were making people pay for some builds of it, and ripped TOTK before it was released, as well as using Switch code for their emulator. I'm all for emulation for older games or games you own, but it has to be free, and not make money off of the code other people worked on. If they'd lost this case you'd be seeing a LOT of sudden DRM changes that make it impossible to even play a game without internet and 5 accounts.

[@aDog420]

Don't remember yuzu devs ripping TOTK leaks. What's this slop you're spewin' dude?

[@RadioDemon99]

Sounds like a glazer or an employee for Nintendo. People like you that defend game companies like this are what’s wrong with gaming lol

[@Andrew-qg5js]

​@@aDog420from what I heard, its partly why they were slammed so hard by nintendo, apart from the patreon builds, distributing some of the code that people are supposed to rip off their own switch, and distributing some games a few times too apparently in their private server/forums. And being the same devs and website for citra, is why they also got nuked apart

[@aDog420]

@@Andrew-qg5js can't believe I never heard of yuzu ripping games and distributing them. Damn. Okay.

[@MikeSmith-kk9er]

@@aDog420they had a whole chunk of their discord for illegally ripping game’s early

[@alisondantas3574]

True, it will end support for emulators, but it will create support for cracked Nintendo games, which in the end I think is almost the same, even easier because an Emulator is not like cracked games, you generally need to do some things for them to work without issues

[@thexredxjester1984]

A Meteor will hit and destroy the earth before Nintendo ever releases their games on PC.

[@martinwojtzik6450]

Hudson Mario Bros ^^? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqnGdoCGltCehsk for example , thankfully a Meteor isn't a big deal normally science.nasa.gov/solar-system/meteors-meteorites/

[@Kaij-]

and emulators will continue to fix nintendont's crap business model!

[@MegaPokefan97]

​@Kaij- making high quality games that don't rely on ID politics?

[@BhargavN10]

​@@Kaij- and I hope Nintendo continues to sue those and win

[@reijiakaba7232]

"Do you know why no one pirates Xbox or Playstation games?" "Because they don't have any"

[@MakuSama-x1p]

Rick Flare would "Woooooo" and Mordecai and Rigby would "Whooooooaaaa" to such a heat filled, and 100% accurate comment. JSRF, from the original Xbox, is the only Microsoft game I have ever pirated, since it has NEVER been reissued, ported, or remade! But sure, JSR from the Dreamcast must be revisited every few friggin years, not that it is a bad game, mind you, but JSRF is my favorite of the two! Ironically, I just ordered a copy of the Spiritual successor to JSR, "Bomb Rush Cyber Funk", like five hours ago, cheap on Amazon and brand new for around 27 bucks, free shipping! In terms of PlayStation however, I'll admit guilt to pirating free eats on PS1-PS3 legacy titles, on my home-brewed, hack-enabled consoles!

[@iljun3089]

How is Nintendo bad for protecting their property and keeping their most beloved titles within their consoles? PS5 and XBox are already winning at popularity contest while Nintendo is considered as the 3rd console. Exlcusives are the only things now that keep the consumers on buying Nintendo consoles. At least Nintendo is firm with their principles. It is their game and their console. They do with it whatever they want to. Buy their console or you don't play their games. You suffer the consequences for breaking the license they paid for.

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

Switch outsold Xbox 2:1 and the difference between PlayStation and switch is negligible (and hard to gauge with counting which sales of the ps4 ps5 should be held to switch sales). So they’re not a third, they’re beating Xbox handedly and are direct competitors with sony

[@Daft0Cean968]

I mean since the ps5 and xbox came out, the Switch has outsold the both of them, and the Switch was already 3 nearly 4 years old when xbox and ps5 released

[@wyattdoesstuff418]

The switch is one of the best selling consoles of all time. It’s destroying Xbox and still miles ahead of the ps5.

[@LarryGaming2009]

"Bring Bloodborne to PC" Sony: 🔫

[@thesneekione7983]

To be fair, Yuzu essentially leaked Tears of the Kingdom early which was the main reason they got noticed. Not to mention their patreon, which got them money for copyrighted software.

[@penguinmqn1830]

Literally the entire smash franchise is based around the idea of giving either fans or company full control will result in the end of the characters and games we love

[@veryrandompng]

There was one quote that changed Nintendo (I REALLY LOVE IT) 'You don't need power to have fun.'

[@SillyBroccoliFella]

Make this man the Nintendo CEO

[@captainislit3412]

Ima plays devil's advocate: If there were better ps4 emulators this shit would happen with Bloodborne.

[@Arkansym]

This is still a service issue because Bloodborne is PS4 exclusive. While most other Sony games are on PC.

[@captainislit3412]

I’m no expert on how ports and remasters work but I’m assuming if you can get god of war 2018 and uncharted 4 working on pc then in my head it’s prbly possible to get bloodborne running at 60fps on pc.

[@Arkansym]

@@captainislit3412 It absolutely is. I dunno why Sony doesn't do it.

[@captainislit3412]

@@Arkansym the only way it makes sense to me from a business prospective is if there trying to save the ip as a trump card for the future and if they port it, it could ruin the sales of a remaster. It could be some sort of future launch title or exclusive for a ps6 like demons souls was for the ps5.

[@warbot6055]

​@@captainislit3412 they have said that the code is so badly written that to port it they would basically have to rewrite all the code

[@AiLoveAidoru]

Copying and pasting from a discord chat about this: Should also be noted that Yuzu was legitimately in the wrong here too. Per their admissions in the court case: 1. They used stolen code 2. They locked early access to builds of the emulator behind Patreon (notable because some of these early builds were the first to be compatible with TOTK, which had not released at the time and caused a spike in Patreon donors, leading to direct evidence of profiting from piracy). 3. Some of the early access patches released to their Patreon supporters included bug fixes specifically targeting issues running the at-the-time unreleased TOTK, meaning they were actively aiding the piracy of the game despite claiming they didn't support illegal use of the emulator. Yuzu is wholly and undeniably in the wrong, and they shot themselves in the foot here. All they had to do was not have a Patreon and Nintendo never could have gone after them.

[@TheYoshimon]

Yes finally someone looks at it like this, It sucks that they had to shut down both Yuzu AND the Citra emulator but their greed got to them sadly.

[@MorganSaph]

1. It's an emulator. Stolen code is almost entirely necessary at some point. Can't make a program that plays Switch games on pc unless it's doing the same shit as a proper Switch. 2. That's not evidence of directly profiting from piracy, as emulators are not piracy. Certainly, people pirated and they got paid by those pirates, but they themselves were not pirating nor causing it (officially). 3. That's not even related to piracy. That's just making sure their emulator works. They did it for other games and even for Citra. They focused on more popular games because they're more likely to be owned by the majority of people. Even if the Yuzu team admitted to these things, it's pretty obvious they only did so to try and prevent Nintendo from suing them harder.

[@praggodey]

​totk was still unreleased so jp laws and most country's laws count it as illegal iirc

[@Ajl7431-lb6op]

I agree, I would be devastated if they took down something like dolphin but this is their latest generation console so it’s understandable because they can’t profit on a Wii game anymore but they definitely can with the switch. People need to understand that, if someone released a ps5 emulator and sony took it down everyone would understand but when Nintendo does it then it’s bad. He did have a valid point when it comes to performance though but like you said, they locked performance behind a paywall

[@Wahmageddon]

Patreon or not, Nintendo would go after them anyways.

[@ForeverFree2Play]

"bring your games to steam Nintendo!" 😂LMFAO THAT SHI AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

[@mashu_uwu]

"cuz they bring them to pc" *Coughs in Bloodborne*

[@WigWoo1]

Multi plat would kill Nintendos quality. Think of this. Nintendo has never once released or launched a broken or buggy game and that is because they have ever only had to design their games around one piece of hardware and perfectly optimize it for it. If Nintendo ever releases games on another platform or on PC then the quality of those games is going to go extremely down And you’re going to see a lot more broken and bugging Nintendo games. Exclusivity is the reason Nintendo games are always so optimized and never buggy

[@quackk_kk]

I hate Nintendo, they're stingy and they're terrible as a company but if they released a game on PC these same people complaining at them for not releasing ANYTHING outside of their own hardware would be screaming from castles above bitching and whining like children because the games would run like utter shit.

[@jeremiahoneal4288]

@@quackk_kkboy can’t you write a paragraph without grammatical errors

[@DrAnimePhD]

Pokemon says hi

[@WigWoo1]

@@DrAnimePhD pokemon isn’t multi platform though. The phone games like Cafe, Quest and Go don’t count.

[@DrAnimePhD]

@@WigWoo1 Why do Nintendo fanboys keep shifting goalposts to fit their narrative?

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

I haven’t seen someone have such a complete and utter misunderstanding of how anything works.

[@The_Ted_Red]

same last time I saw such ignorance was when Nintendo was copyright striking Point Crow for nothing

[@spicynoodles2742]

care to explain then?

[@shotosurgery486]

Nintendo is only able to sue YUZU because of its monetization (you have to pay to access early release builds) and the fact they use copyrighted nintendo images to promote themselves on their website. I don't want to defend Nintendo or anything since they want the lawsuit precedent to kill modern emulation of their stuff, but the YUZU Team made some terrible decisions that make this a viable case.

[@baobabfruitgames]

​​@@shotosurgery486wrong. The reason they get to sue yuzu is because the Nintendo switch uses layers of encryption which in order to emulate it, you must break. This is precisely why other emulators don't, and why snes or gba emulators aren't sued to death.

[@sebastianguerrero6617]

It's the internet people do this all the time

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

I mean, no. They're not incompetent developers, TotK specifically is optimized exquisitely well, it's borderline too demanding for the Switch, and so it does funky stuff to its computer to make it even work. Anyway, the legal department suing people is not the team of creatives who made the game, nor is that team the ones responsible for the Switch's weak specs. They made the game, not the console. Anyway, the reason why most people pirated/emulated this game is because it leaked about a week before the official release, and it would save them $70 to play it illegally. Not because Yuzu runs it better. I know from firsthand experience that TotK on a powerful PC still ran quite poorly through Yuzu. Nintendo's problem is that over 1 million people downloaded TotK when it leaked and another 1 million downloads were attempted. How many of those people never bought the game because it was on emulator or a hacked Switch? Unlike emulating older, out-of-print games, where it's impossible to buy them directly from Nintendo anyway, this is a game that is very much still in the current ecosystem. It actually has substantially hurt the potential sales of this game. Corporate greed is bad but this video's thesis misses the mark a fair amount.

[@davidtowers1863]

Come on mate. You know perfectly well people just point the finger because they don't play the game but like to be mad. This is the comment section of a guy talking to himself because he cant find a single person to argue with. Absolute shadowboxing on his soapbox

[@danimetel8998]

Yeah, big thank you for posting this comment, this is something that I was hoping to find as it adds the actual context of why Nintendo is suing yuzu. I really do not mind if people use emulyors to play Nintendo games, especially something as cool as Tears of the kingdom. But the behind the scenes that the people behind the yuzu emulator is very sketchy and well they brought it to themselves. Nintendo can be a big piece of crap in the whole legal stuff, but it was very cocky to say that they should be putting as much effort on suing into their games lol. Has this guy not seen how successful Nintendo and the switch have been despite the graphical struggle of the switch? One funny note, I like how he only showed one place that the frames struggle quite a lot, but is when using the arm’s ability. Without the arm ability activated, it lags less. Could have shown something better like a build/construct with a lot of cannons or or fans… But yeah, this is lowkey an L for this guy

[@cadenshields129]

@@davidtowers1863 Yeah I’ve noticed this a lot in shorts where people try to display an argument but all they have is themselves and are notably biased. Then that bias would also likely be reinforced by a comment section that constantly agrees with most of what you say. In short, it’s really hard to display a good argument in just 60 seconds which just results in creators telling people what they want to hear in quick bursts.

[@eliasgalindo5578]

@cadenshields129 The comment section is really just an echo chamber. Anyone who disagrees gets attacked. Not to mention Nintendos bad rep with fan projects only fuels the delusion that pirating these games are okay

[@TechnicalTyler]

You can run to the kingdom nowadays on a pretty ruddy set up surprisingly. Ultimately yuzu is not responsible for the leak of tears of the kingdom. And tons of people are very willing to buy tears the kingdom, despite that it was leaked. Nintendo can make every excuse they want, they’re much better at whining instead of making a capable piece of hardware.

[@gramfero]

"if you make fun illegal, only criminals will be having fun"

[@anthonyhammouri6103]

Disney and nintendo are so quick to sue ppl i swear if they ever teamed up it would be horrifying

[@akira8393]

when the ips on the line, yeah

[@Inaktha]

They'd be too busy sueing each other 😂

[@callie-flower3177]

don't speak it into existence, dawg, you're gonna manifest that shit

[@Omonomogon]

the team up is around the corner with Sora Kingdom Hearts joining Smash

[@ZebraLuv]

A lot of pokemon toys have Disney tags because Disney owns some merchandise licensing. That's also how they partner with McDonald's for toys.

[@themaster22dude39]

You gotta read more into the situation. Yuzu got their hands on a copy of TOTK a week before its release and put it on their emulator at the same time and locked it behind a paywall. So Nintendo suing them is pretty reasonable.

[@ThomasMcMillan1]

This is not true. Other bad actors got TOTK to work on Yuzu, the team at Yuzu did not have them behind a pay wall. They only released patches after the release date. You need to read more lol.

[@poffy02]

how does that disk taste pal?

[@pixelsam123]

Except Yuzu can't even run TOTK on release. The emulator used to run the leaked copy was different. YOU gotta read more.

[@cosmos24]

Fun fact: they are suing because they say yuzu distributes the two decription keys needed to run all the games, but, yuzu tells the final user to crop them from your switch, they don't provide it, it's nintendo providing the keys (or any other illegal site distributing them)

[@youraveragejoe23]

exactly, nintendo doesn't have a case here

[@Asriel_Cypher]

I'm not well verse in this topic but what are "keys"? Can you help explain?

[@youraveragejoe23]

@@Asriel_Cypher keys are decription files used to verify a games legitimance

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@youraveragejoe23 So it's like a tool? To be verify if the game is obtained legally or not?

[@youraveragejoe23]

@@Asriel_Cypher more like a system file containing a list of things that can be run off the game card slot basically im not too sure

[@mythic_deathclaw]

This is why I love this dude, he literally is always relatable (with shorts criticizing companies anyway)

[@Monorack]

I literally had 0 issues playing TotK no matter where i was in the world, people probably suffer from improper airflow or modded switch

[@jeremygibson4531]

People suffer the most from being told what to believe about the games they play. I didn’t experience any issue with totk either and I have a v1 switch. And to be perfectly honest, anyone that tells you they can tell the difference between 60 gps and 40fps, is full of shit.

[@barneyjuniorYT]

The day nintendo puts their games on steam is the day I will cry tears of joy

[@mythestoYT]

It won't be tears of the kingdom, it'll be tears of the decades of waiting to play zelda and pokemon on pc

[@The_Keeper]

"The day nintendo puts their games on steam is the day I will cry tears of joy" and that day will be exactly a month after Hell froze over, and two weeks after the first week with two Fridays in it.

[@apithavarasa3293]

But then the Switch would see diminishing sales like the PS5 and Xbox Series.

[@xeggman]

Nah nintendo is keepung it the old way. Respect that.

[@mythestoYT]

@@xeggman More like they keeping it greedy

[@lol-mp8zs]

What got convienently left out here is the fact that they are suing Yuzu for essentially selling their emulator via Patreon, Yuzu's downfall is entirely their own fault

[@lunasam9]

patreon used in the wrong way :(((

[@kaiseremotion854]

@@lunasam9 tbh patreon itself should be shut down

[@sussusamogus2335]

exactly. they had tears of the kingdom a week before its release and were bug fixing and so and so. the spike in patreon donors that week for enough evidence for nintendo

[@wafflesaucey]

yeah. good thing I, umm... already have it installed.

[@HamguyBacon]

they should have released it for free and sold updates.

[@Type_blazenil]

Nintendo you have more lawyers than developers, that man is speaking facts

[@Ki11Joy146]

think you should know that the reason yuzu is getting sued is not because they made an emulator, but because the devs decided they wanted to charge for the emulator which was previously free.

[@Takintomori]

Sort of. They charged for an optimized version and sold guides specifically for getting ToTK to run before its release. If they'd just stated away from it they would have been fine

[@jakeforgey5378]

I think one of Nintendo's informative messages a while back basically stated they didn't mind emulator's, but with Yuzu stealing the data before the true release of the game, and attempting to steal other things and paywall it to themselves only, then shit got real bad for Yuzu

[@Kikrafis]

Copyright is different in Japan, where the head office and their patents come from. So even if they did everything you said they'd still have time to obliterate anyone who farts upwind from their ips

[@zXDaishiXz]

But if Nintendo did that, then they couldn't re-sell you the same damn game a decade and a half later.

[@thegreatgoobert5847]

I would say nintendo has the opposite problem where they refuse to re-release their old games unless they were a massive success. Nintendo thinks if you wanna play chibi robo you should have to buy a GameCube for 700 dollars then buy chibi robo for another 200 dollars. And then they bitch about emulation like it's not completely their fault.

[@Wodferd]

Sure they can. Bethesda sold 60 million copies of skyrim by rereleasing "new" versions of it, and CoD sells you the same game every year

[@MonkyCh.]

​@@Wodferdcod has been the same game for like 5 years

[@CoolCatDoingAKickflip]

​@@thegreatgoobert5847You know Gamecubes go for less than $50 right?

[@-Gax-]

Isn't that the entire industry? I'm glad it is because I have a bunch of old games on multiple platforms.

[@noxineamv2158]

This time I'm siding with Nintendo. Even though they make dumb decisions those are their decisions to make. Emulating games you can't buy anymore is fine but emulating a "fresh" game, especially console exclusive, is not okay

[@JABRIEL251]

Nintendo is the only company that can give Disney a run for their money when it comes to keeping a tight grip on their ips.

[@ReclaimerTyphoon]

Apple is up there, too.

[@DukeDudeston]

When it's your IPs keeping your company alive.. you would too.

[@Snickritz]

Funky Facts: The Adventures of Super Mario Bros 3(Was on Steam For Some Time), Mario Teaches Typing 1 & 2, and Mario's Game Gallery are the Only Nintendo Media on PC Officially.

[@SKsuprakirby]

Nintendo ain't going 3rd party.

[@toasttoast7487]

@@PlasmaP1?

[@flamemasterelan]

@@PlasmaP1 You...don't understand what words mean. Okay. First Party Developers are developers that work directly under the company that creates the consoles. This is what Nintendo is, as well as Retro Studios, Naughty Dog, etc. Second Party Developers are independent developers who take on contract work for the company and develop exclusively for their console. See: From Software with Demons Souls and Bloodborne, or Platinum Games with Bayonetta 2 & 3. Third Party Developers are independent Developers who license their games on one or more platforms without exclusivity. This is what Sega has turned into, as well as what most development teams are, such as Square Enix, Capcom, etc. Nintendo is not now, nor will they be a third party developer in the near future. The Switch is one of the best selling consoles of all time and can probably weather them through at least two Wii U-level disappointments.

[@brianschott610]

Also the only reasons they have a market in the consoles is because you could only get them there, so that’s just shooting them selves in the foot (to clarify I don’t care about frames per second or graphics as long as it’s not laggy as hell)

[@jumentoqueanima]

​@@PlasmaP1Tf?

[@RealJosephMM]

The funniest part about this is the idea that Nintendo would stick around listening to fans explain why they’re not happy about something. The moment you started, they would’ve just walked away and found someone who was like “I LOVED ToTK!”

[@mamabriel]

the guys at Yuzu really thought "yeah, lets make a emulator for a NINTENDO console, even better, its gonna be THE ONLY CONSOLE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY SELLING, and to top it all off, LETS CHARGE FOR EARLY ACCESS" i hate nintendo, but Yuzu did everything they could to get sued

[@ChefMonke07]

Honestly, yeah. I'm usually on the side of Emulators because Nintendo is just terrible when it comes to releasing games to wider audience, but this one is entirely on Yuzu.

[@realNoMee]

Worse yet, they used stolen code.

[@cubzrulz]

Yeah honestly people are acting as if Sony or Microsoft wouldn't have done the same if there was a series x or PS5 emulator out there. This would affect their pockets directly. There's a difference in emulating Pokemon Coliseum and Tears of the Kingdom.

[@tron0150]

You are a bad person

[@lacucaracha111111]

Besides the last part all others are on nintendo. Emulation of nintendo games is so strong because all other options are 500% markup retro hardware, which is aging and slowly failing (and nintendo isnt making a cent off) And their current offering was a launch potato with phones and tablets being faster. With the one ting that would run ok, their older titles, NOT BEING OFFERED

[@reneziesemer7457]

You do know that PC, PlayStation and Xbox games get pirated too? You are also able to flash the consoles to play priated games on them.

[@CrispBaker]

Like the reason why PS5 and Series X games aren't getting emulated is because you literally cannot emulate those systems

[@Alertacobra12]

Can confirm that's how I played TOTK, on my modded switch

[@unxpected1136]

@CrispBaker Those are new console, it sure takes time to create emulator and it can't be done by 2-3 year.

[@hokiow]

​@unxpected1136 didn't they did the ps3 in early 2020 2019?

[@CrispBaker]

@@unxpected1136 ...yes that's my point, that's why saying "BUT PS5 GAMES DON'T GET PIRATED" is completely ridiculous, Switch games get pirated because it's a 10 year old chip

[@epicgamer5620]

"They release their games on steam " cries in no bloodbourne

[@blacknight2665]

I think how petty Nintendo is they’ll probably make their own steam for their own stuff

[@zadowcloud]

People don’t pirate Sony and Xbox games because there is no emulation for the latest consoles…

[@whimsicalchronicles8798]

no lol people mostly pirate things (you name it video games TV shows anime manga comics) because of the convenience of being able to do it on PC (or what they are looking for is inaccessible)

[@a.g.u.2399]

"Not trying to pirate Xbox or Sony-" They are. They are trying to pirate Xbox and PS games. We HAVE Xenia, Xemu, PCSX Rearmed, PCSX2, RPCS3, and I think a PS4 emulator. Pirates are a force you cannot stop. (For clarification, I'm not saying emulators = piracy, just the fact that these exist so it IS possible)

[@Balmung-ki5b]

they make this shorts with stupid and simplistic opinios so others will feel motivated to come to the comments and prove them wrong, they get the engagement and win. Everything he said in the short is wrong, TotK runs well on the switch, people pirate games from other consoles, people pirate games that are exclusively on PC too. Most people don't pirate for better performance, nintendo is a toys company, they sell ecosystems, they want you to buy the machine and the software for it, releasing games on steam will profoundly hurt their earnings. And for those defending Yuzu, they just gave Nintendo not only the code of the emulator, they gave all the information they have been mining from their users and their patreons too.

[@roftar]

It would actually be really easy to stop or at least prevent a lost of people from doing it. It would just increase the number of amputee way too much for the worth.

[@anukthotawatta982]

pirates are the force that keep game prices at 60$. now that denuvo is here prices have gone to 70$

[@roftar]

@@anukthotawatta982 And where did you get that from?

[@562.anthony2]

It really is an exaggeration. The console is portable so obviously you have to sacrifice power. The issue with yuzu is they profit off it with patreon and definitely support piracy. They just lost the case.

[@kingkrispy5289]

You’d be shocked when steam deck and steam deck like devices are available..

[@562.anthony2]

@@kingkrispy5289 I own a steam deck and it can barely play AAA games for more than an hour and a half. When I need more battery life I lower frame rate, brightness or graphics because that’s how handhelds work moron. Vast majority of switch users/ gamers would prefer battery life over slightly better visuals on a handheld.

[@RI-Kirishikai]

@@kingkrispy5289steam deck still has its issues for being a handheld. All handhelds are not perfect, and will never be perfect as sad as it is

[@Sogoodxboxplayer]

He talking about running better but I'm kinda like the steam deck more

[@kingkrispy5289]

@@RI-Kirishikai “never” is a stretch, moore’s law (and its technologival cousins) is nearing its max but it isn’t there yet, and until that peak is reached, you can eventually make something nice and portable

[@not_umbre]

"Bruh just let people play your games on pc!" *Day later* "I can't believe nobody wants to make any more consoles. Why did that happen?"

[@demongoddess2012]

Problem is that legally, Nintendo is in the right. The reason DS, Game Boy, 3DS and so on emulators are not sued is because they're emulating devices no longer in production and only sold by third party members who don't give the production companies any money. The switch however is still in production and sales regularly end in Nintendo getting money. (Note, I completely agree with everything he said. Just stating the legal ramifications and explanations for why Nintendo can and probably will get away with this)

[@envy851]

incorrect thats perfectly fine legally what got them was the patreon and the fact they had a guide on how to get prod keys to decrypt games and such

[@miamesa8652]

Idk how you can agree with utter lies like this. Every other game is getting pirated, just to a lesser extent. Why? Because emulation of the other consoles is nigh impossible, for one. And because the games that release from other companies have many more security systems in place like DRMs. People emulate nintendo hardware because it's easy as fuck. Not because of the switch performance.

[@demongoddess2012]

@miamesa8652 here's how. I actually pay attention to laws, do my own research and do digging. The main key factor in emulators of other consoles besides Nintendo stuff is the fact that a lot of their games are also on steam. Nintendo games are Nintendo only meaning they become completely lost outside of second hand. The Nintendo eshop got shut down on 3DS meaning can't buy digital versions either. Nintendo did this to themselves. With their games being lost to time without emulators.

[@BhargavN10]

​@@demongoddess2012so you pirate then what kind of stupid logic is that

[@hyxlo_]

I would buy it, but it would feel wrong not playing Zelda on a Nintendo console

[@johnnynajarian3920]

😂 either my switch is a juggernaut or all ur switches are so old they are begging for death because totk does not have ANY issues running for me😂

[@davidjohnson4171]

Seriously, I see so many people who've never even seen one out of the box complain that it runs like crap, but my Switch runs better than my PS5. Every time I see someone show gameplay that features a Switch game running like crap I can only assume it's edited, or they did something to demolish the console.

[@johnnynajarian3920]

@@davidjohnson4171 THANK. YOU. finally someone who hasn't put their switch through the nine circles of hell to the point it sounds like a jet engine when it plays any game.

[@tentelite212]

Ok, personally my switch has no problems, I see the argument but Frankly it runs With less lag than my PC most of the time (and crashes a whole Lot less)

[@Jackson-hv8ky]

Nintendo: ITS MY I.P. TO SIT ON AND DO NOTHING WITH

[@chaosjoey123]

There less I.P.s and more promotional content to get people to buy their hardware where they get %30 of all game developers profits.

[@yaboil5217]

Nintendo: "We have a problem with emulation!" Also Nintendo: "Here, buy our Super Mario 3D all stars for Switch that's 100% emulated. And don't forget to buy our OOT and MM ports on the eshop that are both also emulated"

[@Galacta]

This comment makes me realize how crazy people are for wanting to be able to play old games on the switch, then complain when they can but they have to pay for it

[@SPTV_RBX]

@@Galacta They're too used to emulating old games on their PC and phones that the fact they have to pay for it on the official device perplexes them 😭

[@solaris9426]

Nintendo was never against the act of emulation itself. How could they be when they need to use it for their own older games? What they are against, and have always been against, is piracy. They just go about fighting piracy in completely the wrong way. They think they can just continue suing offenders, the equivalent of screaming at people stealing their lawn ornaments, and think that'll get people to stop stealing their content.

[@MorganSaph]

​@@solaris9426 Nintendo has ALWAYS been against emulation. The vast majority of their older games can't be played without illegal downloads and emulation because Nintendo stopped porting them and didn't bother emulating them either. What they are against, and have always been against, is someone else making money related to their IPs. It doesn't help that's Nintendo's own emulation absolutely SUCKS, despite the massive budget they could give, compared to almost entirely freely made emulators made in their fans' spare time.

[@sussusamogus2335]

yuzu was completely in the wrong this time

[@Frostbite12211983]

Remember kids: never, ever use the current year as your argument for anything.

[@Sogoodxboxplayer]

Nintendo using ps3 to power there games at 15 frames which is not good compared to modern standards

[@TheLastRaven6]

@@Sogoodxboxplayer LOL PS3 Power, its stronger then a PS3, just cus some twit on youtube says that doesnt mean its true. Stop parroting lies.

[@Sogoodxboxplayer]

It's true buddy

[@TheLastRaven6]

@@Sogoodxboxplayer No its not, not even close.

[@Sogoodxboxplayer]

It's close to the power of a old gen then

[@praggodey]

I mean...... the argument isn't about what Nintendo is good at or not, it's about legality. Nintendo ain't wrong here about what they are arguing

[@lacucaracha111111]

Hard to say, in europe they may be wrongh. Emulation is completely legal there , as long as you own an original. Either way they go for dickmove after dickmove and eventually the nostalgia will wear off as people get older and they are left with nothing

[@xdarkwolf2255]

The issue is they only have the problem because of their flaws. If they really cared about their profits and reception, then they'd consider what gamers are actually asking them to do which is either make their systems better or make them accessible on pc so they can be ran optimally (assuming the port ain't trash)

[@jeddysteve8330]

@@lacucaracha111111 It’s not about just emulation, it’s specifically related to TOTK. The game was leaked early, so Yuzu developed a patch to make the game run, as well as distributing said patches under a paywall. Developing a patch for TOTK means they pirated it, and paywalling the patch is directly profiting off another companies IP, which is absolutely illegal. There’s a reason Yuzu is only being sued now, not years ago. They had no grounds to sue until recently, so they took the chance.

[@Bobiscool-eo7dg]

"Someone does something." Jacob giving a big lecture