Nintendo Was FORCED to Cut This Feature

[@SilverSpireZ]

God, the pain of unlocking these moves remains stuck in my mind to this very day.

[@Mallowigi]

Lol you reminded me that I never got to unlock all the moves even after hundreds of hours and finishing the game with every character (thanks smash tour!) Same with Brawl's stickers. At least I got to unlock everything in Ultimate (except Elite smash )

[@silverhanma]

ong

[@Josuh]

I have over 4500+ hours on smash 3ds and never unlocked every single move, they really should've make those moves more accessible

[@19Szabolcs91]

Yeeeah I remember But at least you could target unlocking the moves by playing the specific characrer. However, the Mii Hats were simply just incredibly rare with absolutely no way to farm them efficiently. This broke me as a completionist when it comes to Smash. I used the hammer in the 3DS version and simply didn't bother completing the WiiU one as it looked even more impossible.

[@erikhermansen3431]

Re-earning the same move 6-7 times before earning some ONCE is what killed it for me. Aggravation of highest proportion.

[@barrysmith4610]

Custom moves were a cool idea. They can be brought back but sadly it may have to be scaled back significantly such as just having one alt move per character. Also another ideal is just to have an alternative final smash for each character

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

One alt special set+one alt FS each fighter sounds fine to me. Adds variety while being WAY less of a pain to bugfix and playbalance. And for characters with lots of similar moves, have different sets be merely cosmetic and tied to specific fighter alts. So, say, the odd Mega Man models could get the Leaf Shield and Skull Barrier while the even ones could get the Star Crash (EDIT: changed from Jewel Satellite because the sequel progression makes more sense and my dumb ass never thought to launch the Star Crash when I was younger so I'd forgotten that was a thing) and Plant Barrier.

[@CodeKirby]

*COUGH COUGH RYU KEN AND CLOUD*

[@barrysmith4610]

@@CodeKirby lol yes so that feature can be extended to the other fighters

[@derricklabay9308]

That would be too much work for Nintendo.

[@CoraCreates]

@@CarbonRollerCaco yeah, that sounds like way too much.

[@FEELZ_SHARD]

I’m pretty sure that Luigi’s green fire ball is a reference to the green fire balls from Mario bros on the NES they even bob up and down just like them

[@StarWalker-si4nm]

Yes

[@user-1mc0n4us.ed-_-]

I’d like to see footage of it.

[@cooperhernandez6404]

It is

[@SupaPuttyYT]

That's just a fact

[@longWriter]

Funny; I'd thought the green fireballs were a reference to Super Mario Bros 3---due to the NES's limited palette, fireballs sometimes were green in that game (or white, for that matter). But I know I've seen the original Mario Bros with green fireballs as well.

[@somekinnn]

The diagram at 6:46 doesn't seem to be suggesting 4 custom specials per special, but rather the ability for specials to be freely customised, which would have been an even more insane workload if they went with that.

[@gameinsane4718]

*FOUR* Standard bounce Straight Big boom Split shot

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@gameinsane4718 yup

[@Liggliluff]

@@gameinsane4718 The text below the image says: _"Adjust trajectories, properties, and other parameters to create variations for each move"_ So this implies what ¿Name? said about not being 4 custom specials, but freely customisable specials.

[@hattoripool1533]

If this was added in Smash bros Ultimate I can imagine some new editions like Megaman’s charge shot being the double gear charge shot or Custom Final Smashes. Image you had the option to bring back character’s original final smashes like Luigi’s negative zone or Kirby’s original final smash

[@barrysmith4610]

Yes to alternative final smashes

[@Banjoisawesome]

I would love to have had more egg types Banjo & Kazooie could use with the Breegull Blaster!

[@TheRamblemanWhoSings]

that would be such a cool concept, bringing back old final smashes for those that had them & making new ones for those that don't & surely it won't be as hard as making 2 new moves for 4 move slots for so many old & new characters.

[@austria-hungary7680]

Some final smashes like Kirbys old one, in the later games is an assist trophy, idk what will happen if a final smash and assist trophy move of the same type happens?

[@hattoripool1533]

@@austria-hungary7680 Maybe a special system where the final smash is even stronger

[@NinjaPickle]

If they had went the Mortal Kombat route, and introduced set character variations that players could know before fighting each other, I think the custom move system would have been amazing. It allows you to balance each set, while still allowing for some of the broken moves

[@geekgo4]

YES! Yes, I want this for the next SSB! So, much potential! So many problems fixed!

[@jackehstil7945]

Honestly I'm not entirely convinced not knowing every special your opponent has out the gate is bad. A majority of the characters kit is known on the outset and the specials are learned when you use them. (just make sure they are distinct enough visually and/or audibly) Then again I'm not a competitive smash player but I would like to see adaptability be a skill much better shown in the scene as its probably the best fighting game to be able to showcase it.

[@NinjaPickle]

@@jackehstil7945 True, but this way makes them easy for new players to learn.

[@eddncnhero4426]

The best thing about custom moves is they can give echoes and semi-clones more uniqueness like with Wolf and the Links. They may never be changeable again but can be recycled into new movesets for other fighers.

[@erikhermansen3431]

Link with heavy bow... 😍

[@Speariture]

Toon Link and Young Link needs some adjustments like their final smashes

[@Gashnaw]

Some custom moves should have become the standard though. Like Luigi' ice ball. No a lot of moves needed to be standardized but some should have. Link's bombs got a change, so why not Luigi's green fire?

[@PipesTheVlob]

because luigis entire shtick is that hes a copy of mario

[@Gashnaw]

@@PipesTheVlob true. But mario got updated. As did.luigi with the side.special. and mario then got updated again with the down special being changed. Luigi should have still.gotten an update on his neutral. Even if they went with the M&L SS and make it an electroball with a stun. (Like Zero suit or pikachu)

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@Gashnaw Thunder band would have been a much better Neutral Special

[@JinjoJinjoJinjo]

Idk, I just love that the move is a reference to Luigi's first appearance ever being the green fire balls that float in Mario bros.

[@waluigiwah5724]

@@Gashnaw They made Luigi more unique in Ultimate, so I think he's fine without it.

[@EpicEverz]

You never even addressed the biggest problem with custom moves: they took way too long to actually unlock.

[@SeaOfPixels]

Luigi should've used lightning instead of fireballs to begin with, since in Superstar Saga both Mario and Luigi got fire and lightning powers respectively (though only Mario's seem to have carried over into modern games).

[@paulgilbert5278]

Yeah the Superstar Saga reference woulda been neat. And I’m pretty sure Luigi is called Green Thunder in Mario Strikers

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

Mario's had fire since the 80s lmao

[@SeaOfPixels]

@@DroppedMyMarbles That's with a powerup. Superstar established his ability to use it without the flower.

[@paulgilbert5278]

@SeaOfPixels I think he’s uncultured

[@shreds0190]

Mario could actually use fire. Without a power up in 1996 in Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars. Just using this as an excuse to talk about the game, because it was amazing!

[@maskbunnyelectro8416]

They should have had Luigi with iceballs than fireballs in his neutral special in ultimate

[@aid3n594]

I’m shocked that EVO was able to get soooo many Wii U’s with every custom move unlocked

[@blackdot105]

hacked systems

[@MDLuffy1234YT]

@@blackdot105 and save duping

[@Josuh]

Not so much considering Wii U is THE easiest Nintendo console to homebrew, on par with the DS

[@bingobo2551]

It was hacked or they used a 3ds with sm4sh and a action reply or a cheat device.

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

@@bingobo2551 Do Action Replays even exist anymore? I haven't seen one since early into the PSP life cycle

[@drbiohazmat]

I feel like this is just a long video trying to turn "Sakurai added custom moves for fun and variety, but they weren't as good for competitive or popular in casual as expected so they got cut." to a whole Nintendo conspiracy

[@hattoripool1533]

I really loved the custom moves concept like imagine Luigi using a thunder hand from the Mario and Luigi games and Sonic using the boost in place of the spin dash or using the Sonic wave from Sonic Battle? You can even have Mario’s basic attacks be hammer attacks just like they were in the rpg series or are some of Peach’s custom moveset be the emotion powers from Super Princes Peach

[@serPomiz]

Sonic not having any of the compatible attacks from SB is a damn shame. The bomb may not make too sense, but everything else is just a waste

[@hattoripool1533]

@@serPomiz you could also have one of his custom moves involve calburn from Sonic and the Black Knight

[@Speariture]

Poor Sonic still mostly has spindash attacks 😥

[@thebasicgamer4716]

Let's not forget that you could only unlock the custom moves randomly and you could get duplicates as well that you could do nothing with.

[@NasuNanu]

I feel like Nintendo also intentionally made them really hard to obtain as well. You basically have to grind hundreds of hours into other modes like target test to unlock all of them; I can’t imagine how hard it must’ve been to unlock all custom specials for multiple Wii U’s for tournaments

[@sylv3053]

I miss them. I can't speak for the competitive scene because I'm a casual player, but the unique examples you gave with Luigi, Bowser, Pac-Man, and the sheer diversity with Mega Man and Palutena are classics. Other examples that stood out to me personally were Mario's Scalding F.L.U.D.D. *finally* giving me a reason to use the move and appreciate the reference, and the option to make Charizard's Side-B not damage itself (albeit at the cost of some of its raw power), as I'm personally not a fan of such moves in fighting games. Plus, in the game's Trophy Rush mode, it was useful to have more means of doing immediate damage. What was NOT fun is just how much of a pain they were to collect. I would've rather had to unlock more characters, and have them come with all of their custom moves right away, or at least eliminate repeats.

[@Lightningstrike1220]

Nobody should care about the child diddling competitive smashers. They're child offenders anyways

[@bingobo2551]

You can still use fludd to mess with certain recovery.

[@CJ-ln5ov]

This video makes me want to give a shoutout to delzethin. In addition to character concepts, he’s also made concepts for new custom moves for pre-existing characters. And he’s been coming up with a lot of ideas that are not only faithful references to the character, but sound like balanced alternatives as well. Some of my favorites include a Lizal Boomerang for Link that curves on the way back, K. Rool’s crown from his beta design that…aw crap, can’t remember what it did, and Samus’ Morph Ball being changed to a jump instead of dropping a bomb, increasing her evasion.

[@Gleon115]

Something I expected to see mentioned but wasn't was that Mewtwo actually had unfinished custom moves in 4. People who had bought both WiiU and 3ds got him earlier than everyone else and there was some glitch to be able to select them. The exact method is Something I don't remember but I know it was patched pretty quickly so only the first wave of people were able to do it. They were very obviously unfinished and many crashed the game if I remember correctly as well.

[@purplepittoo5741]

I just wanna say you put so much quality into your vids and they all turn out riveting, thank you for being an ideal youtuber

[@latexu95]

1:39 The difference is also that Mario's fireball bounces along the ground, but Luigi's flies horizontally in a loop-de-loop motion.🔥

[@mattguy1773]

Custom moves have lots of potential

[@CurrysUck]

Ye

[@mar._.wav6]

@@CurrysUck Kanye?

[@junkyyard2273]

potential to be pretty deadly. It's kind of unfortunate that there are moves that are actually just generally better than the others

[@JeezAlax]

For Luigi's Fireball, it was changed to green to more differentiate it from Mario's but also as a reference to the fireballs in the Mario Bros. game, where there are red/orange fireballs that bounce on the ground and green fireballs that float in the air. It also fits with Luigi's personality in Smash, being a quirky, different version of Mario. Mario's Fireball is a straightforward and easy to use ball that bounces on the ground and falls in the air, while Luigi's moves completely different and stays in the air.

[@imthecoolest3884]

Yoshi should have his wings for a recovery

[@A_VorteX]

I remember doing "extra characters" in sm4sh back in the day, I recreated Wolf using the custom moves from Fox, attempted to do Ridley using Charizard's customs, Lucas using Ness', custom moves from a casual perspective where so good and funny, and when Ultimate was announced I really hoped that they would add more custom moves, sadly that didn't happened.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

The only custom move I’ve ever wanted in Smash was the replacement of Mario’s up+special with his Super Mario Galaxy spin. I figured after Brawl, they’d change it to the Galaxy spin like how they changed his down+special to FLUDD, but…nope. Nothing at all in that regard. I’m still baffled at the lack of adding the Galaxy spin even as a custom move in Smash 4. Seemed like a great fit that’s more representative of Mario rather than having him do the same old generic midair uppercut as his up+special.

[@Siiroth]

Yeah that would've been a perfect fit!

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Siiroth Since Ganon is the king of Evi,l Sakurai didn't know any other way to put him in smash without making him Broken. Not helping matters is that Ganondorf fights weren't that great, outside of Pig Ganon.

[@bingobo2551]

Honestly if you ask me, they should make that as his nair as a replacement working like krools up air, for an upb I’d say to use the rocket nozzle.

[@Scoitol]

His uppercut is his most iconic ability he carry il every game since Mario bros. It would be a shame to remove it

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@Scoitol But isn't that ability represented in his regular jump?

[@MrMansfalumptuousflopper]

I love smash ultimate but the loss of so many previous extras and rewards really brought down my experience, smash is a celebration of gaming and the previous games really showed that with full fledge 3D trophy's of tons of characters from lots of series, masterpieces to let you see where the characters came from and how their movesets connect to their history, and tons of extra modes to goof around in, ultimate instead of detailed trophy's you can rotate and see all the details of there are pngs you can just look at, no masterpieces, barely any extra modes, it feels less like a celebration of gaming and more like just a fighting game, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing I'm just saying smash was a fighting game AND a party game that could be enjoyed by both casuals and completive players (maybe except brawl)

[@Ersa_]

That’s why I think while choosing ultimate is probably the best decision, having the previous games is also nice too since they have their things that make them distinct

[@ZenoDLC]

Consider it from Sakurai's perspective, it has grown from him making a celebration for his industry to just sequels after sequels of a fighting game series

[@justpinklasagna]

I noticed you didn't mention how difficult it is to get custom moves in Smash 4.

[@Vonteir007]

It could of been used greatly but, instead it was used to be broken

[@sebastiancastaneda3177]

could have*

[@sebastiancastaneda3177]

Or in your case it's could've. Not "could of"

[@Vonteir007]

@@sebastiancastaneda3177 yo shut up

[@mimicmatter89]

Luigi's Green Fireball actually comes from the arcade game Mario Bros. There are two types of Fireball that can spawn in the stage. Red Fireball that will bounce when it hit the floor or ceiling and Green Fireball that will circle while moving horizontally.

[@sunnycideup4725]

Custom Moves were AMAZING IMAGINE SMASH ULTIMATE WITH THESE, endless customizeablitiy

[@junkyyard2273]

and brokenness too! Remember Captain Falcon's stun kick?

[@StormySharki]

It would have made ultimate a grind hell like smash 4 was, and could make certain moves overpowered, which would make the game unbalanced

[@lankthedank6931]

Palutena's custom moves were all in reference to abilities in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I don't know if you knew that based on how you mentioned them.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

It's better that only Miis have Custom Moves in Ultimate to better balance the game as well as represent the Miis customizable nature.

[@serPomiz]

I wish megaman kept the move change in some ways. Even just a rework to swich setup during the match (maybe sacrificing the leafshield if needed)

[@rosem325]

I was looking for who was going to mention that custom moves DIDN’T totally vanish because Mii fighters got to keep them which is a core part of them as fighters

[@MaxWelton]

A minute into the video, my guess is: the Switch cartridges don’t have enough storage space for 500 extra moves, since newcomers would need their own, too.

[@M64bros]

I mean it was for the best. It would have been a ton of pressure for Sakurai while developing smash ultimate

[@HighPriestFuneral]

I personally loved custom moves, my brothers and I would make up possible custom moves back when we were playing Melee so when we finally saw them announced for Smash 4 we were ecstatic, but... Actually getting those custom moves was a bit of a hassle, which made it feel not right to play as. Which is another point for your argument. It seems they realized how difficult of an idea this was and though they finished it, they didn't want to make it front and center, so they made using these new toys a bit of a drain to even unlock. I can easily imagine a "character level-up" system, if they still wanted it progression based, where each level would unlock a new custom move, similar to the Amiibo system instead of... completely random.

[@MaxWelton]

10:27 well, if Nintendo is all about pushing the bounds of the possible, when am I gonna get the Elric Brothers from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood in Smash?

[@dariusarmstrong3038]

Personally, I really miss custom moves. My favorite things in games are Customisation and being Unique, and they allowed that with the including of more moves to choose. Instead of all the DLC we got, I would have preferred AT LEAST giving the miis a greater aspect of Customisation through moves, clothing, etc.

[@Rothen0303]

DK's electric punch is probably a refrence to mario strikers where his mega strike makes him punch the ball with electricity shooting out. Really shows how much effort Sakurai and his team went into research the diffrent characters movesets

[@otaking3582]

No, I'm pretty sure they were removed because most people hardly ever used them, not helped by the fact that the DLC characters (aka the ones fans liked the most) didn't even have custom moves.

[@1specified]

Gonna be real; I don't even remember custom moves existing.

[@224y-p4w]

Same

[@D_YellowMadness]

I imagine the problem with giving Luigi iceballs is that being able to freeze people that easily would give him a braindead way to combo his neutral special into all of his other moves, meaning he could only be balanced if everything else about him was terrible. That & it just doesn't make sense thematically because he's never been associated with ice.

[@colindion4611]

Luigi neutral special should be a green ball of electricity instead of a green fireball to reference luigi having electric powers aka the thunder hand from super star saga.

[@gabeiguess5705]

We need some people to mod Ultimate to give every characters some special moves somehow. This would take forever but I think it would be really fun if they found some way to make it.

[@shirehorse7]

It was nice seeing the Ice Ball being added to Luigi, but one of the ones I really wanted to see referenced was his Thunderhand ability from SuperStar Saga

[@djricecooker]

I don’t mean to be rude, but Luigi’s green fireballs are different. Mario’s is affected by gravity, while Luigi’s isn’t. This is a reference to Mario bros. The arcade game as the differences still exist the bros didn’t throw them, but they were hazards in the game.

[@kashino55archive94]

I've always been a fan of the character customization options, and was admittedly pretty disappointed to see them cut. I won't lie, though; I don't blame them one bit. It was a fun little gimmick without much bearing on casual gameplay, and must have been Hell to make. Still, it's cool to see it dissected like this. I've never been big on the competitive scene, so it was interesting to gather new perspectives. I can't help but wonder why competitive rules allowed custom moves, though. It's way more work and brutally unbalanced.

[@Aldenfenris]

I agree, heck, spirits would work to justify the custom moves even. So sad they cut the feature, and all the calls of 'oh no, competitive pls broken' then... they can ban them?. I never understood the sentiment of 'yes but it might affect the competitive balance' as an excuse to remove or nerf a feature that is optional and can just be disabled at will

[@GoldDragon20]

With how strong mods for Ultimate have become, maybe one day Custom moves will be a reality.

[@themonkeyman2910]

I firmly believe that Luigi should’ve had iceballs replace his green fireballs. Maybe buff both Mario and Luigi’s fireballs. Mario’s fireballs deal a tiny fraction of dmg over time effect, like, 0.6% per second, and lasts for 3 seconds. Luigi would get the iceballs, and they would lightly slow the opponent down for 5 seconds.

[@angrycheeto6464]

As someone who loves training Amiibos, I miss these.

[@CJ-ln5ov]

0:15 …Holy Crap, he’s right. Only the first two Mother/EarthBound games came to Switch so far, which is kind of speaking to us in a depressing, saddening way… Luigi’s Mansion 3 had the Virtual Boo… …and Mario Party Superstars warns you not to use the palm of your hand when playing those infamous stick-spinning minigames.

[@Toxic_Nuke21]

The custom moves in Smash Wii U is my favorite feature in Smash. Love the variety for different play styles, helps it not get stale

[@THGnat]

3:46 from what I have heard many times, the big workload was decided by the hire ups. Saying “these people were passionate” is not brushing a big flaw in game companies under the rug, for melee they had to get it out by the release of the console, and “you think they would have learned their lesson” is very insensitive as I think this was also a decision they didn’t make. Although I may be wrong I am basing this belief off of other game companies and past circumstances.

[@samryan3948]

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the custom moves you claim inspired the smash ultimate move sets are not the case. A lot of these moves were present in PM and Brawl beforehand, and Ultimate simply paid homage to some of the older games. Good video tho, very informative

[@coldwichswitch4075]

1:46 the green fire ball was from Mario bros. The game has red fire balls that bounce as seen in Mario's neutral B and Green fire balls in later levels that stay in the air as seen in Luigi's neutral B

[@WastedHog]

it took 51 hours for me to unlock the Link special i wanted and then it didnt even work properly in the Special Smash mode i was playing. epic

[@VJFranzK]

Also in history: Samurai Shodown 4 had alternate versions of every character! It was also forgotten later, though some of the alternates became separate characters.

[@StarlightNkyra]

Honestly, I think it would've been really cool if some of these special moves replaced their original versions in ultimate (Palutena aside, since a lot of her custom moves did get brought back.) Luigi with the ice flower would make sense to be a reference to new super mario brothers (rather than the arcade games.) Toon link with a big bomb that has different physics would make him feel less like an echo fighter of young link and more like an original character. My point is that some of these special moves would be much better suited for the character than the original move.

[@captainobvious3665]

I remember obtaining all of them in my Smash 3DS run and getting the achievement and stuff. When Ultimate came out I was puzzled, perplexed even; Where did all those moves go?

[@bigchungus7870]

I remember the custom moves and was disappointed when they were nowhere to be seen in smash ultimate. It even gave Kirby a good up B

[@Liggliluff]

With all the time they saved on not making custom moves for all the characters, it's a real shame they couldn't just add a few more to the mii fighters. They don't need completely original ideas either, just make moves inspired by other fighters. - Then when the "premium" mii costumes were released: Sans, Cuphead, Bomberman, they should have created 4 new moves for each of these, special made with these characters in mind (but available for any costume to use), so you have an official Cuphead moveset for example (neutral and side special being bullets like Megaman).

[@phorchybug3286]

I really miss Mega Man's Tornado Hold. That crap was AWESOME!!! Sacrifices recovery height for some more killer multi-hit. I think Mega Man was the true inspiration for custom moves.

[@JetCombo]

The only problem I had with this feature was that sonic didn't get a completely different moveset and it's just all still spin dash

[@orangeslash1667]

Sakurai wants Sonic to be mostly faithful to Classic Sonic.

[@JetCombo]

@@orangeslash1667 if he truly wanted that he could have asked Sega to use the classic Sonic model from forces or generations and they could have taken the voice lines out

[@orangeslash1667]

@@JetCombo I don't think Sonic's classic design would work well with his, Sonic the Fighters moves.

[@JetCombo]

@@orangeslash1667 fair point

[@orangeslash1667]

@@JetCombo Fun Fact: One of Sonic custom moves is the Flaming Spindash, which is a reference to the Flaming summersault in SA 2. Now that is great attention to detail.

[@Equusvelox1828]

17:18 what's the name of this music?

[@onihaiena6152]

I would love to see how they could've done Bayonetta's moveset with customs, they could've had different weapons from the games for a change and not just have her be only reliant on Love is Blue/Scarborough Fair for the entirety of the moveset (like the slide being replaced with a Stinger-style move from Shuraba or a variant of Witch Time that works similar to how Jeanne's works in Bayo 2)

[@KairuHakubi]

i super miss custom moves, but the custom stat tweaking was even more important because it made characters i hated using (most of them) actually fun and usable.. like slowing Sonic way down and giving him more strength

[@justpinklasagna]

the custom moves were interesting. I say the Luigi IceFireball and the Bowser Fireball that worked similar to the fireball in Super Mario Bros should have replaced the moves they were custom moves for in my opinion. Also, I'd love for those two moves to be officially included in Smash Ultimate, because Super Smash Brothers Ultimate mods can get you banned from Nintendo online

[@noahvasquez5707]

dude.. being able to change how your character can use its moves in battle was something i loved having on smash for the 3DS

[@ManyFaceImpressions]

1:87 I figured you'd all know this but ig not, his fireball is based off the green fire ball from the Mario Bros arcade game, the red fireball moves like Mario's while the green one moves exactly like Luigi's!

[@Kollapse]

I remember these. My brother made a kirby with a powerful hammer attack. He gave him so much defense so that when he was charging the hammer, he was practically invincible, almost nothing could launch him. But they were fun though.

[@kazarisato5607]

Also I was wondering about why this was cut

[@kirbygamer0640]

Custom moves…I hate that they removed it! Same with Brawl’s custom stage builder which had a lot more things than Ultimate’s (if I’m remembering it correctly). Of course custom moves was a thing on the 3DS only…I swear, some games on the DS and 3DS were so innovative and yet the features in them never came back. Remember the other babies like Baby Warriors in Yoshi’s island? No? That’s cause it was only in one game!

[@stanzacosmi]

and wii u. customs were also on wii u

[@oddcurtis3090]

They should add less custom moves like having 2 choices for each special to help balance as well as updating characters moves based of their newer appearances

[@shadowsilvertailsfan]

1:48 Actually, in the very game you showed off, if luigi is in a toad house with the fire flower, this fireballs are green.

[@byrontheusurper6505]

YES I FUCKING MISS CUSTOM MOVES SO MUCH! Also there's been some discourse about them lately, I hope they come back in the next game! They're so fun! Also I know about the competitive stuff but idc, I want them back and I want them back competitively!

[@Alegar-rt2kr]

The Donkey Kong's electric punch can reference Mario Strikers Charged

[@triforce9286]

Ganon's Warlock Blade uses the Twilight Sword, used on him in an attempted execution in Twilight Princess.

[@BadMann3rs]

Maybe the crazy and cool way you can apply spirits outside of world of light to your fighters (modifying move properties and player stats) is the semi-replacement for custom moves? I've certainly seen some insane spirit builds do some crazy things, and it seems like its treated the same way in terms of the competitive scene.

[@Myrrmoasta]

Custom Moves were broken asf, so it's not that bad that they're gone. If they bring them back in the future, they should do it like in Mortal Kombat, introducing some character moveset variations to choose from.

[@Aldenfenris]

And why is it a problem if they are broken? they are optional, you can disable them if you rather not use them and still play normally. It is like someone going 'oh no, remove items from the game, some are broken!'. But they don't, since they are just optional and you can toggle them out. Just because they might cause trouble for tournaments or for some people, doesn't mean they can't be enjoyed just for people wanting to have a fun time playing solo or against the cpu.

[@thebananaspeedruns9275]

Custom specials are in Smash Ultimate but only the Miis can use them

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Ah, the video that started Siiroth's strategy of putting the word BANNED in the thumbnails

[@etourdie]

Another key difference between the custom moves and the Pokemon company not including all of the Pokemon, is that all of the work had already been done that would allow them to just copy paste every Pokemon into the new games with the only tweaks needed being slowing down the animations and cries for dynamaxed Pokemon. And then they didn't do it anyways, citing a need to do work they had already completed

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

It's really cool they recycled a few of the custom moves to help diversify they're similar fighters in the next game

[@NathanGaming395ngGamer]

Hey if Nintendo gives the fans they wanted they gotta be happy for it right

[@jefferydavidson5347]

6:12 I love how used the switch oled to represent “small difference” 🤣🤣🤣

[@claywilliams7579]

Honestly I like custom moves and wish they'd be back, but I understand why they were cut

[@pandabanaan9208]

I think another reason people didn't pay much attention to them was how painfully annoying they were to unlock, I played smash wii u for a long time and don't have all the custom moves

[@arcticjohn107]

honestly, they wouldve worked perfect for spirit battles, even if they were exclusive to said battles, to give them a real piece of personality

[@Anthro_Girl101]

The callout on AEW was out of pocket 💀

[@ybs214]

I completely forgot about custom moves 😅 It was very interesting to learn more about the reasons they were not brought back. Does someone knows what song plays in the last part of the video, starting around 17:00? Is it a song from Ultimate?

[@PrimitiveAspid]

Especially since we now have Pokémon Trainer. What would the Down Special variants be? Additionally having Squirtle and Ivysaur as well as Charizard would add to the difficulty in programming. 80+ characters * 4 specials each * 3, that would be over 960 moves. I think we should be content with the Miis having customizations, rather than asking for more.

[@rafaelzamudio354]

Another reason I think they scrapped them was because they couldn't be used online, thus people weren't using them and reducing its popularity.

[@montydoesgames]

I'm sure the FINAL actual update for SSBU will have a major impact. If we ever do get a massive final update like SMM2, then THAT would be when we get custom moves for all characters

[@legionbeast]

There is ONE thing you forgot to mention. *UNLOCKING CUSTOM MOVES WAS THE BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS!* Seriously, you had no way to unlock moves for a specific character, and actually popping a move unlock was painfully uncommon. The only one I wanted was Ganondorf's sword, but after many many hours of playing smash 4, I never got it. *But boy oh boy did I get every single custom move for Pit and jigglypuff.*

[@kevinogwu1544]

3:45 even tho there are some problems in the making of smash games with some characters, i couldnt agree more

[@j.jimenez7545]

If ultimate had custom moves "Everyone is here but nobody's coming"

[@aurafox1]

Imagine thinking Luigi's green fireball was an arbitrary decision and not a reference to Mario Bros.

[@TailsClock]

You are COMPLETELY WRONG on saying that it takes more effort and time to add custom moves than it does for stages or even costumes! Ask any game developer, or even a modder (of which I am both), and they will tell you that custom moves are the easiest thing to add. You're reusing assets and code that's already in the game for almost all of it. Megaman stands out as an exception as having some work put in specifically for the art of his new moves, but he is a clear outlier. Sorry to come in so negatively for that bit. It just really stood out as erronous. Most fighting games already have 3 versions of every special, only they tend to all be usable at the same time. Smash is only having to adjust because it's button layout makes it impossible to add in all those variations in a way that's workable to the average player. This is not "more work" by fighting game standards. This is already normal in the genre (fighting games is the genre I make games for). So you might be thinking. "If that's the case, then wouldn't that make an echo fighter more work to make than adding new moves to a pre-existing character?" and yes. Yes that is more work. And the only explanation I can find is that the artists had more time than the programmers. Because echo fighters are a lot more effort to make. This just proves that the teams sometimes are working without support from the other teams. Echo fighters would be made without help from the programmers. You argue that people were relieved to see the moves go with Mewtwo so they can enjoy tournaments again. But they were ALREADY illegal in more than half of Smash tournaments. You couldn't even use custom moves in online play for crying out loud! Custom moves were not a common allowance. And they weren't ever forced to be in tournaments, it was always a choice. Having the choice removed did not make fans happier. It made salty tournie players happy. Because the rest of us losing out sounds like a positive to them, and that's crappy. But I understand why the moves were cut. It was about time, it was about money, and it was about the negative feedback after they forgot to balance the moves. It's just so depressing they were put into a game that was rushed. If they were in ultimate, they would have had the time to be better. DLC characters would have the new moves too. It would have been great! Instead they were put into the least popular version of Smash, and not done that well. But I personally spent quite a while looking up and asking for help on why I couldn't access Mewtwo's custom moves. Also the fact the moves had to be unlocked by PURE CHANCE was SO BAD. The gacha level of randomness made it all so much worse. But this is still a feature worth bringing back after getting fixed. Or at least, give those old custom moves to the echo fighters! The story mode of Ultimate would have been incredible with this feature. You're right on the mark there! So on your video, it feels like you didn't get things quite right and didn't even give a very solid answer for why they didn't bring them back now that they have time. Just that it's easier and that it went badly the first time. Coulda said that very quickly. Not to say that the video was a waste of time, I did learn some new things. I'd never even seen a single tournament use the custom moves so hearing how bad it was, that was interesting. I'm not much of a tournament fan. So I only remember this gimmick fondly. I miss it.

[@darkfire2759]

yep i remember how in the wii U smash bros kirby able to do different moves and when ultimate came out i tried to find it but couldn't

[@evenglare]

They should cut down on the goofy modes. Cut down the roster size of the next smash, then add unique and meaningful custom moves and finishers and stuff like that. Personally I'd prefer it to be a 1 on 1 games, akin to a traditional fighter say MK, Soul Calibur, or Street FIghter, but still retain that smash bros uniqueness with its stages, and ease of play without having to master crazy button inputs. Have a solid roster of the main franchises, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Kid Icarus. Do DLC set packs like a Hyrule DLC which adds like 3 character or something and some stages. Just focus the next game more, and put more love into each character and a large variety of movesets. Fighters have been doing this for years, and especially stuff like MK11 has done it to some degree of success. Dunno just my thoughts. The next smash really needs to pull back, be more.... intimate i guess. We've already got the ultimate traditional game, now its time to try something very new and still retain the spirit.