Nio ET5 Touring Geilo test part 2

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[@goncalo1891]

Bjorn, I gotta say, one of the reasons I like to watch you driving the Nio cars is your interactions with Nomi 😂

[@MrKroolboy]

Your charging experience is why I’m not using Swap in my ET5 Touring right now. V2 100kWh battery for the win ⚡️🔋 Got 20 minutes from 10-70% with 169 kW average 💪

[@MortenB0]

I think battery swap makes more sense for a company owned car where they have to pay the driver while charging, and maybe it also saves them for DC (or AC) charging infrastructure at their main office

[@valanz_]

7:28 "I'd take this NIO any day over Tesla, polestar... Bjorn Nyland" - I'm glad you are giving NIO the recognition they deserve. (Y)

[@lkrnpk]

He just learned to love Nomi, he understand he cannot live without her

[@markevans4832]

That is a very nice looking car. Much better than all these SUVs.

[@jasonblair4057]

Good idea to turn on the hazards when using the swap station.

[@MortenB0]

The Geilo tests have been becoming better and better, showing huge power limits and maybe even shutdown while still the guess-o-meter claim we have range. The suggestion to go back 20'ish km to charge instead of going 2-3 km forward and charge is a good one ! While the 1000-km challenge for many is a more typical summer thing, the Geilo test is very relevant for winter driving.

[@kwiks987]

I miss a "The Sun" disaster quote... Swapping waiting times are LOOOOONG.

[@BSquare1989]

I love the Christmas music❤🎉

[@stigronnysuleskard5299]

We are many Nio owners that are sending Nio development team request to see battery temp om screen. That will show you id car is ready for full speed charging or not. This will come on a future SOTA update ;)

[@phiiz3r]

Perhaps if the swap station could take control of the car and use its sensors it could speed things up. and reduce the amont of battery power required to clear sensors and run the car processes.

[@MortenB0]

We all love leistungsgrenze-stau, lade-stau, swap-stau, Nomi-stau, snow-stau, unfall-stau and shitter-stau !

[@Jowcke]

I think you should be able to remove or swap charging stations on polestar, at least it works on my Megane E-Tech which also runs android automotive. On mine I can swap stations for others and it shows up nearby. I believe you can remove or at least just drive by and it should readjust itself. You can also filter by charging brand like in nio! Would be nice to see you test Megane in winter just to hear your thoughts about how it behaves compared to others in winter.

[@nibrasso]

Could you compare driving lets say 100km with autopilot (and weird acceleration changes) vs. 100km without pilot and steady self-acceleration? I would be really interested if the thirstiness of the car comes from the inefficient autopilot driving style.

[@mk-mc8yx]

@Bjorn, given battery can be dismantled in few seconds, how secure is it ? Though it addresses range anxiety, I'm anxious about it securely fixed to the body😅. In general, do you think battery swap is better solution both for customers and provider(Nio)?

[@user-hv7om4wc8k]

I will go to Oslo within just 3 weeks, for Oslo Fjord.

[@eisenguard]

One off the things holding me back from buying a nio is the price her in Denmark compare to a Tesla, yes I can rent the battery, but then I’ll have a monthly feed

[@Jaw0lf]

Very interesting to see how the Nio works. It was also interesting to hear the car despite you wanting to shut it up!

[@hanskerssies6631]

The power swap station is nice when your the only one driving nio. what happens when more drivers come. The space for a swap station is huge and also the place for parking and driving backwards is needed. Will see if its a "ded" end or the future

[@OverSoft]

The biggest (but understandable) problem with the power swap stations, is that you need to be renting your battery, instead of buying. Imagine paying 60k+ euros for a car and then still need to pay 250 euros a month for the battery.

[@leiflillandt1488]

​@@OverSoftI just wonder you they not have drive through, then it would be much easier to manage a que. If there would be many Nios on the market, the battery swapping would be cheaper. Then Nio buy the batteries straight from the battery manufacturer, so prices are somewhat reasonable. The question is more who can use the time saved, and are prepared to pay a price for those minutes saved? Time will tell! We will learn maybe already in 5-7 years.

[@LittleSpot]

@@leiflillandt1488 Waiting for 1 or 2 cars in front of you swapping, swap and going to toilet -> more than 20 min. While your Kia EV6 is ready to go. And the Kia is not so expensive. Time will tell if this swap idea will be a good one.

[@yanitsvetanov1162]

​@@leiflillandt1488 I was wondering the same thing! Why did NIO decide to implement the swap backing into the station instead of drive through? It is obvious that revercing creates problems. 🤔

[@superpowerdragon]

@@yanitsvetanov1162 because its not easy to find places where you can go in from behind and go out in front, they need the station to be universal and can be placed in most places, i am sure they thought about it before because i saw some early prototype with the drive through style, but it seems like the backing in style won out at the end

[@ericbigalke2595]

"Passed with flying colors!"

[@mstegmeyer]

Just a thought, since you charged at a V2 Supercharger in Gusvik. Were you maybe sharing power with someone, maybe that ID.4 on your left (since it has the charge port on the wrong side 😉)? In 35min one would expect the battery to be heated up fully

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, I didn't share with anyone. I never park right next to another car in an empty parking/charging location.

[@yaCiyaCi]

Battery swap must be a good idea in cold climate areas like the Nordic countries considering the energy used on battery preheating before DC charge. This applies also for hot climate areas where battery cooling is needed to get optimal charging speed.

[@EuroLifeHacks]

Nio❤

[@karlitono]

Different times. Underlying assumptions changed.

[@gregchristie2763]

Thx Bjorn VERY informative yet entertaining as usual... So just buy Tesla as usual ..Neo fails : yo-yo on power.. pilot fails lidar dirty.. poor navigation .. and other janky Chinese non logic software.. thirsty inefficient.. and slow charging ...did I miss anything ? ... Oh yeah Neos driven by noobs 😅. But one when new battery or better battery comes you get in your car ... Not with Tesla or other fixed battery..no Deg worries either.

[@lithosh007]

NIO is working on bettering the charging time but won’t be as good as Tesla fast charging. They claim that fast charging is bad for battery health. There is some update where NIO charging is getting faster and faster

[@lukasdolezal8245]

that makes sense. when you own the battery it is ok to let you charge fast even if it degrades more. even Tesla recommend not using super charger 100% of the time. but bio needs to care about their battery fleet, so they are not incentivesed to make fast charging... maybe they could introduce degradation fee if you use battery with too much fast charging or something like that. but it would still not solve keeping entire fleet similar performance so it is not too much difference of experience between swaps

[@tridrean]

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[@EPicurux]

the reason why swap stations are not pass through is really baffling to me

[@lukasdolezal8245]

it would require more space around. yes somewhere the space is not issue. but I think they want to have the stations in city centers, where it may be limited. so the one way design is more flexible, and it is cheaper and easier to just mantain one design of the swap station

[@idomaghic]

@@lukasdolezal8245It doesn't necessarily need more space around it; if it's for example placed in the middle of a parking lot or between two streets, you'd simply open up the other side, and you'd still only need one pre-swap staging area. But sure, it does add one requirement to the location, though it's not like there's a lack of places that match this description, for e.g. parking lots with at least three parking rows (i.e. two suitable roads to place the swap station in-between). Additionally, I'd argue the current version takes up more space than it claims, as is evident when it blocks other cars from passing outside the staging area. Not to mention needing more queuing space as the staging area cannot be used while one car is already swapping. And finally, it seems safe to say that you'd really only need a limited amount of modification to make the same swap station with two doors and with a software configuration to set it up as either a drive-through or one-side operation.

[@SegerGiesbers]

You probably wanted to say "passed with flying colours" at the end of the video

[@phg8810]

Almost2… 😊

[@marcusfleuti2672]

Didn't you pre-heat the battery? Or was it an issue with the charger? The ET5 should charge at around 170-180kw

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@KPFaaland]

In theory, yes. The issue is, once you swap away the battery that comes with the ET5 Touring (from factory), your chances of swapping to a battery from an ES8, ET7, ET5 or EL7 are astronomically high. And what is the result of that? Well, that you charge way slower, because you now have an older battery that doesn't charge higher than 125kW.

[@jackshao126]

@@KPFaalandisn’t that going to even out as more cars are sold? And in 2-3 years you might be able to swap into better batteries than what you can currently buy

[@KPFaaland]

@@jackshao126 In theory, yes, but with so many broken promises from NIO in Norway on BaaS, many of us aren't really sure what to expect anymore.

[@lbtobl83]

It would have been interesting to know if you got a faster charging pack when you swapped. It was obviously not the new one because it charged so slow. ET5T are all delivered with faster charging 100 kWh packs. But swap it 1st time and you can loose the fast charging. This should not be like that.

[@freshnost5197]

Why the fox is the volume on youtube so high?

[@mintyfreshness78]

seems like need way too much infrastructure for this battery swap. seems ok when no one has a nio but when theres queues this wont be fun to own. clearly faster charging is what people need rather than full battery swaps

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

Ask the owners in China. They almost never charges their cars.

[@Eric_Garrison]

Much faster even with a queue

[@Mrback2k9]

I ordered an Tesla Model Y performance now because of the cheap 1,99% credit. Nio is good but to expansive because you are still a beta tester and because of the monthly payment for the BaS.

[@notverygoodguy]

Thinking of doing the same. Desperately want to not have to buy another Tesla and this car looks the one to do it but there are too many questions with the battery rental to my mind and buying the battery instead of renting it makes the Model Y look very competitive.

[@star3679]

@@notverygoodguy What kind of questions do you have regarding the Battery rental?

[@notverygoodguy]

@@star3679 What happens when you sell the car? If someone buys a five year old Tesla, they get a car that has depreciated in price and low monthly payments if they finance it which is what the second hand market are looking for. If you have a Nio with a rented battery they will need to rent one too and that price hasn't depreciated at all. Could double their monthly payments if they buy the car with a loan. Looking at the financing figures here and guessing the depreciation of a NIO it looks to me like the monthly payments on a five year old NIO plus the battery rental wouldn't be that much less than the monthly payments on new Model Y. Don't know how Tesla do it. I got 0.2% interest rate on my Model X.

[@star3679]

@@notverygoodguy A good question, I asked myself that too. Unfortunately they aren't any used NIOs currently on the market. In my situation, when I will buy the ET5T, with battery rental, someday, I'd never sell it, it has everything I want, and I want to use it as long and far as it can take me (at least 10 years and 50k km per year driving it, which is possible). So I won't worry about that. I mean why would I buy a car that has everything I want and then sell it? New battery technology can be easily integrated, it gets SOTA and FOTA Updates, the Exterior is also durable. But same with other EVs. Why buy one if you don't really want it, except if you really need it and can't wait for your dream car. But if one can wait, they should. I did too and will wait until I have enough money which will take some time. Anyhow I would ask NIO how it works if you want to sell the car. They usually answer quickly and thoroughly. 😊

[@pandabear5746]

Nio power swap station with multiple entrance like a gas station is coming.

[@tobimai4843]

TBH I don't really see the advantage of Battery swap in the long run. Especially as you have to stay in the car while waiting/swapping. For Fast Charging you can just plug in and leave, which you probably have to do anyway .

[@karlitono]

You don't need to be in car in newer swap stations

[@zachlafond2652]

I can buy a model y rwd for $41k plus $75oo tax rebate and i think 6 months of free charging. Nio go home. That battery swap stuff looks crazy expensive.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

I can buy a used Nissan leaf for under 10000, it also has better build quality and a more quiet interior than any Tesla😂

[@IstvanDarabos]

@Lucas-wp2ph that's just bullshit and you know that. Also good luck with chademo charging with 40 kW. New model y rwd with byd battery can charge flat 170 kW until 50-60 % or more. Who's gonna be better than that?

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

@@IstvanDarabos With the leaf I save 30 000usd. And with a small 20kW Dc charger at home there is no need for any fast chargers. Better buy the byd directly then if you want the blade battery, why go trough another reseller?

[@jim_herd]

Always Blame Customer!

[@eb1888.]

The charging speed is a killing drawback. And completely unnecessary at this time. Neo needs to use a current battery from BYD or CATL to compete with other cars. A few swap stations cannot offset the worst slow charging in this class.

[@silys5253]

Ive seen a graph of NIOs new 100b battery pack. 5% to 91% in 34 minutes is not slow my man. Find one and test it for yourself.

[@chengcao418]

Once you swapped, the new battery is gone

[@bjornnyland]

Gone, G O N

[@BSquare1989]

I can also make graph of a NewTypeOfBattery that charges from 0 to 100% in just 5 minutes. The reality may differ though...

[@lukasdolezal8245]

nio should make it possible to view and choose battery you want for the swap

[@LePerlashez]

9:40 the battery swap technology is just shit. There is only one way, fast charging.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

With nio you can do both. And faster than any Tesla😅

[@bjornnyland]

Nio charges a lot slower than Tesla.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

@@bjornnyland This is false, In your own test Plaid took over 30min from 10-80% The new Nio 100kWh pach does this in less than 26min. Been tested many times in the Nio app👍

[@jjsauer7125]

I really don`t believe in the battery swapping biz case - there was a company trying this already in 2007 which bankrupt with that idea... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place_(company)

[@tridruankham2657]

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